How to travel the ENTIRE world for $10,000 | Cassie De Pecol

Welcome back to the 16th ever episode of the Iced Coffee Hour. Thank you for tuning in. Today we have a wonderful guest, Cassie De Pecol. Correct? De Pecol. What Why don't you say your last name? How about you do that? Way to go. That was really good though. Like you just spaced it out a little too much, but otherwise that was yeah. How would you How would you do it? It's De Pecol. De Pecol. Yeah. Way to embarrass us in front of our guest, Jay. All the hours of research that I do to preparing an outline. Jeez. That's what I come up with. Anyways, welcome to the show. Thanks. So really exciting guest. Look at this. You brought You brought books for us. So your your thing you've been to every single country in the world. Every single one of them. A lot of countries. And even I I would say this is this is what what shocked me. Not Not that. Not that that was a Naked and Afraid. Yeah. Yeah. Naked and Afraid. Yeah. I used to love that show and you were in one of the episodes. Yeah. I don't know if we could put a clip up here for copyright reasons, so we could just leave this to be searched. But But anyway, but you traveled the world just all on your own. Yeah. Okay. So where do we even I don't even know where to begin. I have a feeling that's probably the most interesting. Let's Let's talk about that and then we'll talk about Naked and Afraid. I'm definitely want to dive deep into either or both at the same time. Let's do both. We'll start with traveling the world. Why For How feasible that? Cuz you do that for free, right? How much How much did it cost you? Let's talk about cost first. Oh god. Right in deep with the with the money aspect. Um yeah, so essentially before this whole thing long story short I was like a babysitter. Not even nanny. Babysitting, so making I don't know like around like 40 35 somewhere around there. So I started this business. It was actually the idea stemmed from sitting in the dirt in a fetal position during like during Naked and Afraid in the jungle, but um it started from like a really weird space, but um I yeah, it was it was uh you know, created the whole idea and I thought, "All right, it's going to be around created the budget. Sorry, I'm kind of jumping around. create a budget? What what happened with the budget CREATION OKAY, OKAY. THAT TOO. I WAS LIKE GOING IN MY head and I'm like, hold on. Yeah, one at a time. So, you did you did Naked and Afraid Yes, yes, yes. before. Okay. And that's where the idea came from. But getting on Naked and Afraid to begin with, how do you qualify for that? What are the qualifications for getting on the show to begin with? Cuz you have to have a back. They're not going to let me go on Naked and Afraid. There's no way. that? Cuz I I wouldn't last one night. I mean, okay, so out there. There's no heater out there. No, nothing. There's no temperpedic mattress. I can't How am I supposed to do my job? So, they have to make sure you're a hardcore So, they do and like essentially when I was growing up I was homeschooled a lot growing up on and off. So, we did we had a guy come to the house and do like survival stuff and then I went to Green Mountain College in Vermont and I also did survival stuff there. So, I'm like, I think I can survive, you know? So, I'm going to go ahead and I was working at a pyramid scheme door-to-door business-to-business sales job for like Verizon. Mhm. Pyramid scheme, like total How was Verizon a pyramid scheme? It was It was like someone who's like It was like this company who like they say they're their own company, but they're actually not. Like they have no affiliation with Verizon and they're trying to sell all their like phones and Wi-Fi or whatever to businesses. Are you allowed to say? I don't know, like They're going to come get you. Should I? I don't know if it matters. It was called Potomac Advisory Group and it was in Alexandria, Virginia. All right. And I think they're closed now. And they're like they they just fired me and like they They give me unemployment and like whatever and like they it was for no reason whatever anyways. Um And so yeah, I was just sitting on my couch one day. I was like I hate my life and then I just saw these like naked people running across the TV screen. I was like what are they doing? And they were like in the jungle. I thought you know what? I think it's time. Like my life is is kind of bad at the I feel like I'm at my rock bottom at the moment so I'm going to go ahead and just do it. wanted to run naked across the TV screen. was like you know what? Maybe that might be my thing, you know? So I just like filled in the application. I didn't know what it was for. You know? Until I was filling it out and they're like you have to survive like naked in the jungle. It's like 21 days. Um I'm like all right well I'm still going to do it cuz I do have some survival skills, you know, from homeschooling and college and sure enough Surviving home school. Yeah, surviving college. So okay, so you submit the application. How much longer until they get back to you? Uh it was a couple weeks or so and then like they had the preliminary like we're interested and then it was like oh it was a matter of like I want to say two months and then they flew me out to LA. I was still in DC at the time. And uh yeah, and they just they kind of had me like go through the process here and I I was pretty much in pretty quickly. What did they ask you to get naked? No, no, no. It was like they had you do like uh like like a psychology like psych test to make sure you're like mentally sane and just like ask they they you had to like do some tests with like a survivalist to make sure you knew what you were talking about. Um it was pretty easy but it was honestly they were looking for the villain I think of that of that season. That they we we were on a special yeah, I was. How were you the villain? So it's like they have I feel like even with reality TV they have the characters I've learned over the years. Yes. And I was on a special with like four people instead of two. So um I was that young blonde that's B, B word, of a of a contestant. Okay. Um, and who didn't know what she was doing. So, I'm an introvert and I love working alone, like not with a team, you know, I'm like I'm a hard worker but like alone. And it's the same thing that with, you know, with Naked and Afraid I was just doing a lot of work but I was doing it alone. And the team didn't like that cuz they wanted me to work with them. Did you make it all the way to the end? I did. You did. What do you win? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You would think there would be a prize. cash prize. There's a little tiny cash prize. But I still can't say to this day. Oh, you can't. Okay. little touch. Wow. But you would But you would think that that would require people to take 30 days. How We we know how How many days is that? 21. 21 days. wanted me to go back for the 40 42 day, like double the time. Wow. And I was like I didn't go back. I was like Well, I guess you get publicity. Publicity, right? I mean, that's a mill. Yeah. Well, I mean, not even like cuz like the people who watch that kind of show it's like they're kind of like well, I mean, in general generally speaking like I mean, I mean, I I did too, obviously like I found out about it from watching it but like generally speaking it's like people who like redneck America, I feel like. I mean, not to be judgmental. But I watched it too. Anyone who watches this show This is not directed towards you. have friends who watch it too, but you know, generally speaking I feel like I don't know if the audience would really help. Honestly, it hasn't really helped me. Okay. all been like you suck, you're this, you're that. It's like all negative and I'm like I'm sure, Okay. but So, you were on the show and that gave you the inspiration to travel every country? Yeah. Wait, I Yeah. Let's talk logistics of the show for a second. Um, how do you For like how do you use the restroom? Do you just Or how do you like Do you eat Good question. That's a good question. Do you have to hunt for your food? Mhm. Yeah, thankfully my partner was good at that. I got the snails in the river, but with the bathroom um the ocean. So, like one big misconception was like they would see us like laying on rocks, specifically just me, like laying like as if I was tanning, like Uh-huh. using this time to tan my body, like trying to survive on a rock, but it's like you go in the ocean, you take a, you know, you piss. I don't know if you want me to swear on this or no. No swearing. No swearing. Or or if you do, we'll just bleep it out. Okay. Yeah. So, you go one and two in the ocean, and then you just like got to lay out to dry cuz then you have to go back to work in the in the jungle again. We were on a beach ocean thing. Mhm. So, that's when we would most do it is in the ocean, like to answer your What about brushing teeth? Um no. Like sometimes we'd take some like leaves, like coconut leaves or whatever, but no. Yeah. But, we don't really eat anything. So, it was actually So, Naked and Afraid is actually legit. Yeah, it's totally legit. Okay, because I always was under the impression that those shows, they provide you with like toilet paper, toothbrushes, deodorant even, like tampons. They didn't? Oh. No, so that like they I feel like they have to. Otherwise, like what are you going to do? Sit in your tent and like what are you going to do? Yeah. Yeah. Right. nothing else though. That's like the extent of it. Okay. I mean, I even like contacts and I had like solution, but I had to like wash it with my dirty hands. Really? Oh, yeah, like not even like They Wow. Yeah. And what if you were going to eat a snail that was like poisonous or something? Like what if you were it. No, they didn't. So, if they see something like they're crawling in poison ivy, they're just Yeah. So, if a bear comes up to you and is going to maul you, then they're going try and break that apart if it were that if that were the case. But, like one of the producers like on my special, it was the season 1 double jeopardy special, and the producer on that show like um when they were preparing for this episode, he was they were scoping out areas or whatever, and he got bit by a um what kind of what kind of snake? A coral snake, I think it was. And he had to go to the hospital. I mean, his whole leg I mean, he ended up okay, but it was like super intense, you know? Those were the jungles that we were like dealing with, you know? Huh. So, you literally just survived in the wild as if it was like 2,000 years ago. Probably longer. What do you do for drinking water? Um thankfully to one of my teammates, they found like a little sip thing, like a sieve a sieve not a sip a sieve like coming from a rock. And so, we'd fill that with like coconut like we found like coconut, filled the coconut bowl with with that water. How do you eat enough Did you lose a ton of weight or something during that? Yeah, I mean, I lost 14 lb. My partner lost like 28 lb. I mean So, you can only do that for about 3 weeks before your body I would imagine starts to shut down. one. Yeah. I just can't like I don't know how to do that how they No, the teeth is just what keeps throwing me off. It's like you would do it if you could brush your teeth. Yeah. Yeah. Like do you go to the dentist? Like I would right after getting a teeth cleaning. I did make like clothing out of like coconut husk. Like I made a bra and like, you know, like a little skirt thing. And um my teammates were like, "We need that to make a fire tonight." I was like, "Ooh, but can you find something else and I'll help you because I don't want to give up my Classic. in front of the, you know, film people and I remember I just had to like take that bra What was that like uh getting cuz I I know the beginning of the show it's like you just straight up see the other person you're both naked. Was there any embarrassment with that or like The the very my situation like everyone's everyone's situation is different, but mine uh his name was Forrest and he's actually from Santa Barbara. He's from I think he was like Zimbabwe originally, but like he lives in Santa Barbara. And he just like you know, we got off this boat, walked towards each other. He put his hands in the air and just started shaking his thing. Is that now when you met for the Was that actually the first time you met? very first time we met. And I was just like looking at him like coming at me like dancing and shaking his thing and I was just like Better that than like No, I think it would I think that'd be better. Yeah. And the shake cuz like you're supposed to laugh at that. Like it's not funny. Like it's not funny. But I have to laugh cuz and I'm on TV so I like Yeah, it's a little weird. I mean if that was like out in public in the open in public that would be That would Yeah. Cuz you don't know what type of person you're getting when they do that. It could either be trying to ease the tension Or or they're a little Like that's like a actually person. Yeah. Crazy person. Like a certain dominance. Okay. And yeah. Yeah, so I Yeah, I'm not going to speak further on that one. Wow. The answer to it but Yeah, that was um That was That was We didn't get along. Yeah. You and Forrest? Yeah, we didn't. Okay. Um But you know, it is it is what it is and at the end of the day we we still kind of talk like Manu and I one of one of my partners. We all still talk. Now we're just kind of like life in our way but we were totally fine and happy at the end like all of us friends and stuff. But during it you would never think that. Mhm. So was one of the first things that you did was just find clothes I would assume. Uh First thing was the shelter. So Yeah, okay that makes sense. And then I was like all right, I'm going to make some like pull a leaf over over myself just like tie a leaf with some There's so much We were in a really good spot. Like if you were in the middle of like the African like sub-Saharan desert or whatever, there would be like nothing you know, to like make anything out of but we were in kind of the jungle beach so there were some coconut trees, coconut husks to make stuff out of. But yeah, the shelter was really important and we didn't agree on that on how to do it but him and What was the first thing you did after the show? Like what was the first thing you ate? Or you you put clothes on. What What was that like? Yeah, brush brush the made a video first of all like looking disgusting no no teeth brushed for my Instagram. Oh, wow. Um and and then they had like a huge smorgasbord of like like like pork rinds and like all this like everything you could ask for essentially and beer. So I think the first sip I had was like of a beer. Really? You wouldn't want just like water? Yeah, I would like a water bottle. Well, okay. So in the helicopter Yeah, that's a good point. In the helicopter when they rescued like when we got to the helicopter they gave us like those um those granola like Nutri bars that like fall apart or whatever and water. So that was the first thing. And then we had the whole you know, smorgasbord but yeah. Right. And then what about when you got home? What was the first like would you want a McDonald's? I I'd get a Big Mac. I'd get a Big Mac. This is really bringing me back. Yeah. Um Or sushi. Oh my gosh. I think it I think it was probably like sushi or something like uh something with my family. I don't remember. Something like I don't Yeah, I just stuffed myself. I gained it all back in like a week. And how how about sleeping? Could you sleep well there? No, not not at all. were basically always tired I'm guessing. always. And what what were your most We took turns like keeping the fire going. So How do you wake up? I guess you would wake up you How do you know what time it is? I don't know. They just like you know, you just kind of like all right, like I'm about to fall asleep. So can you please just take over and then we'd like take turns watching the fire. That's miserable. totally and it was pouring rain 50 55° you know, like freezing you know. Rain falling on you. There were there were little hermit crabs crawling all over us. Oh gosh. Oh yeah, no we're like uh-oh don't move. There's something. I was like oh god. There's something. Wow. Yeah, there were those something. There were little ants. There was spider, you know, snakes. So, what does that make you feel now when you you go home and like you're in a house No, I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful. Still, has this had an impact even to this day? It's like just to have a kitchen. Yes. Okay. Yes. And I live in a very tiny home. Like it's like 480 sq ft and it's into paint like really, really small. And I'm just like, you know, what? I'm so grateful for this right now. Like this is all I could ask for. I don't want to, you know, you never know what you have. Yeah. There's one more thing I'm just wildly curious about. What would you eat? Like what was what was I'm sure that there were common things that you just continued to eat because it was readily available. Like I was going to say something and then I was like Yeah, yeah. What was it? So, there were there were these monkeys that would like kind of open up these berries, like chew the stuff outside the berries and like throw them on the ground or throw the bad ones on the ground. And so, um Manu and I would actually go out and collect these berries that these monkeys just kind of like worked Yeah. and like opened and like threw on the ground and we would eat those. Um so, like a lot of those berries from the monkeys um and a lot of snails from the river. I thought you were about to say the monkey. Like, you know, they had these monkeys and Well, my my my partner killed an armadillo. Like the very the very first week that we Yeah. very first week we were there. It was just him and I and he was like, "All right, Cassie, make the fire." I'm like, "All right, here's my time to shine." How did he do it? What? he do it? He just like he saw he put his hand over the neck and just he had a little spear that he made. Oh, yeah, I'd have too hard of a time doing that though. I mean, I guess if you're really hungry, but Armadillo is like the disease you can like catch from that. I forget what it's called. Like, what is it called? Even if it's cooked. No. it's it's like a disease that lasts with you for a long time. Oh, god. Um but, yeah, I I couldn't make the fire, so. And was did it taste good? That one. Well, I didn't make the fire and so he was very angry and so and I was too actually. Wait, he didn't let you eat it? No, cuz we had to cook it. We had to cook it. So what did you just saw like fish? You just let it sit there? Yeah. We let it sit there. I know. Well, I none of us neither one of us could make the fire. Like we couldn't cuz it was so damp over there like so wet and everything with that. But I will say though the last one the last nights we had to trek like four days through the jungle across the ocean in our Right to the extraction point they call it, right? I remember that. It was cross the ocean filled with sharks. Yeah. And he caught us all like lobster. He was He went gung-ho. He caught us lobster. Wait, who was was this Forest? This is Forest. He went like that was when it all came to fruition for him. Like his whole, you know, what he'd been working for it actually just he just caught it all. And he worked really hard to catch that stuff and I'm like, oh, I feel bad he but he shared it equally, whatever. Wow. And we did eat the hermit crabs. Put those over the fire and just How do you How do you eat a hermit crab? Is it just the the the belly that goes in the the thing? It's like the whole crab and then you just eat the shell and everything. You just eat the whole just chomp on it all. Shell and everything. I don't think it's how you eat it in the modern world, but that's how we ate it. I guess you would have to eat it that way. You just chew it. What was the weirdest thing you ate? Um in general or in the show? like in the show. In the show and then in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some funky stuff. Um Wow, I don't know. I mean I would say probably those monk monkey droppings cuz we're not for sure where those came from, you know? Like with the snails from that little river like we like you know that those are snails coming from the river. We ate oysters off the rock. We like chucked them off the rock with a sword or with a machete. But um I would just say the monkey droppings. It's not really that like intense. Um and And in general uh chicha in the Amazon. I don't know what that is. Okay. What is that? So in the deep within the Amazon which you guys you guys got to go. You get the chance. It's incredible. Amazon? Yes. Deep within. So like these ladies in the little communities like with the community that I went to, she would like chew on this like root and it would create chicha. I forget the name of the root. Don't ask. I'm like my memory is terrible, but I remember she they would like chew on this root, they would spit it into this like wooden bowl, and then they'd mix it with the water from the river. And then they'd let it sit into the in the sun and ferment into this beer. And they'd feed it to all the guys in the community after they played soccer, you know. Um and then they fed it to all of us. So there'd be like kind of white stuff. You're not sure and it's like a fermented and it kind of also is like a beer, so it also makes you feel like a little bit. So you're like, "What's going on?" So someone chews that? The ladies the old old ladies like who don't really have like the teeth are kind of missing. But it ferments. But it ferments. So it kind of gets rid of that bacteria. do they have to chew to get like a like a drinkable I'd imagine it would be a lot. root, it's like one big stalk will get like one drink. And how many And is it like a drink per person? Yeah. And how long does it take to do a chew a whole root? Like an hour? there and just like our grandmas will sit and knit like all day like they'll sit and chew on the root. Do they get paid for it? No. They just do it for There's the there's the There's the little ladies in the community who just like love to support their families and it's What if they're ill? Well, then they don't do it. Yeah. Wait, how long do you guys have to Wait, why don't you just why don't you just chew your own sticks? Yeah, that's a good that's a good one. Why do you have to drink someone else's chewed sticks? Like if your grandma made this sort of drink for you No. I would absolutely not. I mean, if you didn't know any better, like like You knew better though. You were the wise the guys in the family where it's coming from, though. It's not a surprise. Here's this mystery drink with white chunks. It's like oh. And they actually feed it to you. So, like you have to drink it. Like you're not just like taking you're like, "I'll just take a little." No, they actually put it into your mouth. Like they feed it. They feed you like a bird? part of accepting like food. You know, like with with with with moms and ladies of like communities, like accepting the food is so important. Wait, so you to actually consume the food and accept it and like Wait, do they put it in your mouth or do they They'll they'll actually just like Oh my gosh, wow. What happens if you were to gag? Like you do that and you're Oh, well then that's disrespectful. That's just But what if you can't help it? Well, it's okay. They're going to forgive you and they'll be like, "Let's try again." She's like, "Needs to Needs to be chewed more." What did What What does it taste like? It was absolutely disgusting. Really? Yeah, it was very disgusting. I That's what I would Yeah. But what does it taste like What Oh god, I can't even. It was so long ago. It was um fermented. Imagine like ferment something that's fermented. Um Okay. And it had like a tang and also like a weird earthy flavor to it. Like very earthy, almost like dirt cuz it kind of was. Okay. That's what it tasted like, essentially. Like an dirt earthy Weird, okay. Kind of like that drink I had in Yeah. I'm just confused how people invent that. Like who thought they're like, "I'm going to chew this. I'm going to ferment it. I'm going to leave it out and then I'm going to drink it." And then I'm going to share that with I bet that started off with some weird guy that like wanted some girl to do that or something. No, it's got So, I don't I don't get how some of this stuff is invented. That's what I want to know. Like who's the first guy to make this and how did he share this with his with his buds? Yeah. There was a drink I also had in Vanuatu, too, where they like What's that? Um the drink or the Vanuatu? Uh it's a country in the Pacific, kind of near Australia, I guess is the closest kind of country. Jack's never left California. Oh, oh my god. No, I I've left California. He's been to Vegas. Okay. You're getting a newbie here. never reject the mom's food. Okay. Okay. Otherwise, it's a huge disrespect and they'll become angry at you and they won't they won't want to host you anymore. Okay. Yeah. Um but this is kava. It was called kava. Oh, I've heard of that. I've heard of it. That was big in Fiji. yeah. They have They have it over there, too. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I feel like in LA they they have some some of that coming over there. kava root. It's supposed to be good for you. Yeah. It's it's kind of not in like high quality quantities or whatever. Um but like the guys like grind they invite me into their like little shack and then they just like grinded it and they just like essentially mix it with water. I was like, I made a video on it. I was like, you mix it with water they mix it with water and then you drink it. And it's like kind of like the effect of like weed Hm. effect of marijuana, chill, or whatnot. Um Okay. as opposed to like marijuana, kava is not good in like high quality. Like if you take it for a while, it's like it's it wreaks havoc on your system. Really? I know. I don't think they know about it. It's like something that needs to be more educated over there. Hm. And so that was yeah. But the Yes, the Amazonian experience was that that was probably the the food wise. Okay. What is the worst thing you've ever tasted? Um I think I had like a human finger. No. No, you did. I almost believe that but I'm like, you went to you went to the Amazon. Don't they have Don't they have cannibals? Um There Don't they Is there No, that's in the Philippines. Is that really? They in the in the mountains in the Philippines they have they had can- cannibalism there for a Did you see that? No, I did not. I did not. I was really sick in Papua New Guinea actually. Wow, okay. Uh jackfruit, which we have here, right? Sounds tasty. you turn into meat? Jackfruit. It tastes It tastes really foul. I don't like that. Tastes foul? Very foul. That sounds like it really good. It's here though, like vegan meat. If you go to like Whole Foods you'll see it. Okay. Um essen- essentially it's like a big prickly thing and like they shave it and it's Oh, yeah, I've seen it. The big Yeah, okay. things with the bricks on them. Yeah, exactly. And so like I would eat that in a lot like in Central America and stuff. That's the smell. That's the smell, right? Yeah. is jackfruit. Yes. That's what it is. Okay, you can see this grocery stores and stuff. I'm not very picky, like I pretty much eat everything. Mhm. You know, it's not that exciting. So you traveled everywhere. Let's go Let's go to this now. Okay. So you were in the fetal position and you decided every country. How many countries have you been to prior to that? Um I've been to around 25 or so, 24 26 somewhere in between there. And that was between the ages of 18 and 20 three essentially. How did you pay for that? Before? Yes. Okay. Uh I had It was bootstrapping. Like nothing. I I had a blog. I'd make like a little bit of money off of that, like 100 bucks a month. And that would I was able to afford my next ticket to the next country. But essentially I would utilize like helpx and uh workaway. And I would just get free room and board for like months at a time and they provide me like like food and a place to sleep. And some of them would provide me a little bit of cash and I would just utilize that to get to the next place. What What sort of work? So like backing up a little tiny touch cuz I feel like this makes no as if I don't like You have to start off with like a little bit. So I was around like 20 and you know, saved up like 2,500 bucks and you know, my brother and I took off that that you know, September and he had more than I did but that he ended up cutting it up off short that whole trip but I was like I like you know, I was able to make it last around 2 years with that you know, 2,500. And I I ended up making some money along the way with that. Yeah, so you were mentioning like blogs but what's the work the work from home thing is the work thing where you can live for free and just work? Yeah. What sort of work were you doing? Like I would literally find a the most luxurious like hotel in the area and one of them was like in Machu Picchu for example that's like the best example. Yeah. And they'd be like I'd be like listen, can I get a room for the night? And like well it's it's you know, 500 bucks a night. I'm like but I'm a I'm a sustainability consultant and actually want to help out your hotel on how to be more like energy efficient and optimize revenues and I had a cost benefit analysis and I had this whole like Manila folder and like presentation. Literally I'd go in there and the manager would like sit me down they'd like usually buy me a meal they'd we'd talk about it. They'd be like yeah, I'd love I'd love for you to like educate and yeah we'll give you we'll give you a couple nights in our you know, that's how I would like leverage that. Was it just a template that you would take to every hotel? I would switch it to like based on their like prices and everything. So you just like a template that you would a math person. I didn't graduate college cuz I couldn't pass the distance. Right. Hmm. You could sell this template to other people who want to be sustainability consultants. You could teach a course. Please imagine all of all of the subscribers are just like hey, sustainability consultant like you're the 10th person this week that's came to this hotel. It's the fifth person today we take our rooms. No, I mean I feel like especially when you're traveling internationally the like they want you like you're coming from America you know, and you are coming from educational degree like or some sort of educational background. And so they kind of want to they they see that as being a value and if you have something to offer, then you know, and they're interested in that. And so that's kind of how I built I started a website, started my own business. It all failed, but Yeah. So at this point, how much were you making or was it just all being funneled back into traveling? It was all being funneled back into like I I would eat bread. You worried financially like what happens if you're homeless in another country? Every every I was like like we didn't grow up with a lot of money. We grew up with like moderate, you know, but like I was kind of used to not growing up with a lot of money to be able to spend on things. So I was very much used to like and I was like listen, I'll sleep in train stations, I'll sleep on the sidewalk of like, you know, New York City. It doesn't matter, you know. I would so I would. I would sleep on the sidewalks, I would sleep in train stations, in air It did not matter at the time. Now if I were to do that, I'd be like, yeah, no no thanks, you know, but back then it was okay and it's what what what I was prepared for essentially. Um What made you want to decide to travel to every country because I'm sure that was probably there was a time in your life where you had to make the decision or you had the idea of traveling to every single country. Like what made you make that decision? I'd done a lot of travel like prior to around 25 countries or so and I was like, you know what? I wonder if I just saw the entire world like every single country what that would be like. So it was a passion of mine to see every single country and it just kind of sat with me and then one day I saw the front page of CNN. There was really beautiful guy on it and I was like, I like like just went went to that article and it Jack, I didn't know you were on CNN. You spoil me. Yeah, and no so this guy was apparently like on the bachelor and he did like a little segment. I was like, oh wait, I've been on Naked and Afraid for like a little segment thing or or an episode, whatever. And uh his goal was to go to every country in the world and be the fastest person to do it. I was like, "Wow, like that is cool. But why is he on the front page?" And his name was Eric Hill. And he was like 50 countries in and he was paragliding in Utah. I think he was from Utah. Um and he went into a I don't want to he he he died. Yeah. Unfortunately, he died. And he was like 32, he was gorgeous. I thought he was my number one like in life. I really thought we were going to be married. That is so terrible, man. like, "We're we're meant to be together." And then I saw that and I was like, well, and so I actually talked to his family and stuff. And they're like, "Well, we're really glad you're talking about his legacy and spreading that." Cuz I was talk That's like it that's how I found out about the Guinness World Record essentially and like that, "Wow, this is possible, you know." Jeez. Yeah, there The only other guy to break um to do this record that I did was um he did it in like uh I don't know, like 3 years and 10 months or something. Yeah. But How long did it take you? It took me 18 months and 10 days. Wow. I did it really quickly. What's the current record? So actually there've been uh there's there's a girl who broke it and she did it in like 18 months and like a little less than that. How difficult is that to do? I mean if if you had a few hundred grand, could you just knock this out in a year and then you take a world record? That's a good question cuz I feel like a lot of people um it depends on your passport, uh where you're from, and if you can get those certain last visas, like Yemen, Turkmenistan, uh Syria, Pakistan. Mhm. And it's kind of like in their hands. And when I was finished, it was like 2017 I finished like in February. But I went through the whole election, like with Trump, you know, and he the last like week I was finishing, he had that sanction where people, you know, citizens of Iraq Iran there were like four countries and Yemen was one of them couldn't travel to the US so they put that ban on for people from the US couldn't travel to their countries. And I was about to travel to Yemen as my last country and I was like I was like sweating. I can't imagine just doing this and then not visiting Yemen. It's the very last country this stress was like incredible plus it's like really hard to get there as an American they're like if you go to the US Embassy in um Oman they're going to be like well if you go into Yemen we have absolutely no liability over you and that you're in there yourself like we cannot get you out even if you have like anything we cannot get it you out. And so I was like that's fine I got I got to go there but like with that happening and that and I was like oh god. Ended up doing it just in time before they realized that he had that sanction. Could you just step in the airport? What counts as you visiting a country? Is it just like you just step in the airport and like I'm here get back in the plane? Yeah. Uh you have to go past border control and baggage claim. Like you have to go through like border control get your passport stamped which usually requires you to like go outside the airport. So you essentially like I went south I went outside the airport in every country. So like that for Guinness that's what was required for that. Yeah how many countries have you been to where it's just outside the airport and then go right back? Uh around like 15. Which countries or just a couple like off the Uh Nauru was one of them. Haven't heard of that. Yeah why? Is it time reasons or safety reasons? budget cuz I had a huge budget I had to adhere to like and make sure that and a lot of those countries were in Africa too because Africa's really expensive to travel to believe it or not. Why? The flights to get there since there's not there's not a lot of options with hotels and whatnot and food and they have to like import everything to like central Africa you know western Africa you have to kind of like really budget for those hotels and the food and everything. The flights are really like really expensive. They have almost the same amount of countries as Europe, but Europe is so much cheaper cuz it's so much smaller like easier to get around and plus like it's more modernized and industrialized. Um Yeah, some of those Pacific Islands like Nauru, Tuvalu. Um I've heard of Tuvalu. Chad. Chad? I stayed the night I've heard Chad. staying in Chad. Yeah. I stayed the night. Um Burkina Faso I like staying the night. I mean there was, you know, Chad's better than Kyle. Dad joke. Yeah. Um Uh I wonder if there is a The thing is though there's over 350 countries. Like if you count territories and colonies. So like Puerto Rico's owned by the US. I didn't go to Scotland or Wales cuz they're owned by like the UK. Um so there's over There's a ton of countries out there. Maybe there's a personally named Kyle and who knows. Hm. Is there anywhere left that you'd want to go at this point? I want to go to the North Pole. I want to go to like French Polynesia too really bad. Why the North Pole? Why not South Pole? Antarctica. of I've been there before. Been to South Pole. Okay. of want to see like the North and the polar bears are not in Antarctica or anything. Got it. What was the cheapest place that you visited? Ooh, I like this one. Where where Like if Graham were to go travel somewhere. If I'm going to travel Yeah, where would you suggest he goes? Okay. Um I would say like Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Lao. Lao is really cheap. Those are very cheap countries. I think those are probably the cheapest I've been to. Mhm. And flight wise too they have some really good deals where you can fly around trip like 400 bucks and then Wow, 400 Yeah, a trip, yeah. luxury hotel like 80 bucks. Yeah. Are you serious? Graham knows this summer, I actually, since I've never really traveled before, I decided it was finally time to take matters into my own hands and I bought round trip tickets to Thailand Yeah. with my best friend Jack. Awesome. And we we bought the tickets and of course the illness hit. Is that is that re- fundable? Yeah, because I bought uh insurance. Oh, you did. Lucky. It was only $550 or so for Thailand, but we already booked like an Airbnb and stuff. Wow. And I was looking up a lot of the stuff about like the culture of Thailand and stuff is crazy like like street food, you can go and there's just these markets with a bunch of little tents and people just serve out the street food and it's like of the equivalent of like $1.50 for these crazy like Thai meals. Yeah. You're like living back Wait, how old are you? I'm 21. Ah. I thought you were in your like your late 20s or so. I'm like you're speaking how I I was speaking. I'm like, "Wow, I'm like living through how I feel like I was like when I was Cuz it's true. It's true. But it's so exciting and then once you hit 30, it's like, "Oh, things have changed." Yeah. How is it less exciting at 30, though? Just I feel like you're more For me personally, I'm more into business and less into exploration, I guess, you know? Maybe that's because you've already explored. Yeah, that could be it. That's the thing. Sure. Sure. But I I find like business development really exciting right now. And so when trying to connect with like younger people, that euphoria that they have that I used to have, I'm like, "Okay, bring yourself back to their cast. You once were there and now you're more into like a stagnant business boring sense. Which for you isn't boring. No, I don't know, but in a way life kind of hits you over the head and then you And then you get used to certain things. Yeah, true. And nothing is just new because because in the beginning you always had this big newness over everything. It's like all the exciting possibilities. And then things settle down and and it is what it is. That's what I think happened, man. You have a cat lady. You get a cat. Now it's the idea of leaving that going too far from the house. You get antsy. I hate it. I don't like it. No, I can't leave without him anymore. Like if I get a free trip to like Bora Bora, I'm like I have to bring him with me. And like I got a trip to Iceland. I'm like, can I bring my They're like, no. I'm like, well, I can't Wow. Yeah. You know, use it on someone who really wants like you would love to You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I would send me Give me these people's my contacts. I'll go and work from there. So, okay. So, let's talk about the the your favorite places to go. Top five. Um Pakistan. Why Pakistan? It is so different than any other country I've ever been to. It's also like I was like, do I like India or do I like the Like I love the Middle Eastern region. Like I love it. That's my favorite region. But um it's so kind of like taboo to to go there. Mhm. Uh I don't know how much I'm going to get into cuz the algorithm YouTube, but um it it's just such an interesting place and the food is totally different from like India or the Middle East and the people are so Actually, you don't have to like wear a hijab or burka as a woman. Like you don't have to cover up or anything. I mean, as much. Mhm. And I just found it to be a really Plus, you have like the mountains and like it's a really cool spot. The mountains and the beach and it's like California is like the mountains and the beach and I just I don't know. I love Pakistan personally. Okay. Uh very interesting culture. Um Uh Mongolia is another good spot. Mhm. Mongolia is really great. a nature only person. Have you had a Mongolian barbecue? Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah, of course. Oh, you got to go sometime. In LA? My favorite country is the US because you can find all this stuff. Oh, I'm sure. You know, that's why it's my favorite. Okay. Well, um Mongolia is incredible. Yeah, I mean I love Peru. Peru is definitely top. Costa Rica is another top. And I really liked Oman. You know, Middle Eastern. These are not traditional. Like I could easily just say like, you know, France or, you know, Greece or whatnot, but like these are the like non-traditional and New Zealand was a really cool one as well. It's hard to pick a top five though, honestly. It's And what okay, least favorite? Yeah, what places did you not like? Okay. I don't even know. This Bhutan experience. Yeah, go for it. Where is Bhutan cuz Bhutan's like right above Nepal and like you have uh like in between kind of like China and Nepal. Tibet in Nepal moreover. Okay. Um and they just like you arrive and there is like I don't know if this is YouTube friendly, but you just go Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's like weed growing everywhere and they're like, "Oh, my tour guide." And you have to have it's like 250 bucks a day. You have to get a tour guide. He's like, "Look, there's like marijuana growing everywhere." And I was like, "Oh, cool." He's like, "We don't touch it though. Like we don't touch we just let it grow." And then you like the buildings like any building you drive by there are these beautiful like big gorgeous painted like huge take up the whole building like Why? You leave that out, Chad. Yeah, why would It's a phallic organ. It's to rid the family in that household of evil. What? I don't know. We should do that here. Teenagers do that all the time on like the side of a building. Is that work too? Do it here, right? beautiful painted like pictures. Wow. You know, like all those like kids, like second grade, they all draw that, like a lion. but they're actually saints. Tigers now. It's like a cloud forest. It's like really beautiful over there. Like it's a stunning spot. If you're here, you got to go to like a really That's a really one That's a winner, for sure. Huh. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So, other least favorite. No, no, that was your favorite. Oh, that was your favorite. of my favorites. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That would be great. That was my favorite, too. That sounds really cool. Um least favorite? I hate to say it, but it was Italy. Why? I To this very day. Um because the men. And as a woman, the men, it was a huge issue. I've never been able to get past it. Now, I've been there like six times. My last name is Italian, actually. My great grandpa's was from Italy. Um but, the men, just like the cat-calling and everything, it's absolutely It's something that I can't get past. Mhm. I've worked A lot of the workaways I did when I was younger, in my early 20s, was for, you know, Airbnb Not Airbnb's in existence. I was like bed and breakfast and like like hotels or whatever. And the owners were these like men, and they just like made me do a bunch of stuff, and like it was absolutely terrible. And it was only in Italy. Like I didn't experience that anywhere else. Mhm. So, yeah. But, I mean, for you guys, it's fine. I mean, everything else about Italy is in incredible. You know, the food and the everything. What about other places you didn't like? Um I mean, I would say um it depends on like like how the not like situation is, because it's hard with what they're going through. Mhm. But, I mean, South Sudan isn't a place to really visit unless you're going to help them. And Somalia is like you know, those places aren't really It's a hard This is a loaded question. no. It's like just like a place where you didn't have a good time. Yeah. It would It would make sense if they were going through something that maybe you Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Burkina Faso was a country where like I was, you know, I I allocated a certain amount of funds to spend in countries where I knew that I had to be a little bit safer as a woman. So, like with hotels or whatnot. So, this one in Burkina Faso has been like 100 bucks or whatnot. And like it was 2:00 a.m. and I was like sleeping there like naked cuz I I had like a little backpack. I didn't care. I had like one outfit. And a guy open like use a swipe key and open my room. Like open my door, you know, at 2:00 a.m. And I just saw this figure. I didn't have my glasses. I couldn't find them. I wasn't about to go find them cuz I was like totally like bare naked and I was like, "How am I" And they speak French there. And I was like "What? No, like get out of Get out of here. Get out of here." You know, and it was like really scary cuz he could have totally done whatever. And I realized that he was like a part of the staff of that hotel. They were all men at the concierge like at the front desk. Everyone like it was all men-owned hotel essentially. And um but that was just like a hotel. Was that a mistake? That was a mistake or did he do it on purpose? Yeah. and he and he was looking at me. But do you think that maybe he was just trying to like say, "Hey, get out." Yeah, like just just like It took a few It took a few times. But he left. intentions, but he left. He left. Cuz I was like screaming. I mean That's horrifying. I'm sorry. I don't know. Honestly, I think you can find the good in every single country. And I know that sounds boring, but like it's just like going into each country with a completely open mind and like leaving all preconceptions at the door and just like formulating your own experience. I think it's really important. For my experience, both those experiences were like coming from a woman, but you guys probably wouldn't experience those. So, it's kind of like Right. You know, I mean, I feel like there's no country to not go Even North Korea. Like that was That was a great ex- I mean, kind of scary. do that? Like It's easy to go, actually. But don't you have to be monitored? Like you Yes. Yes. So, you have like tour guides and stuff that make sure you don't act out of line. Exactly. Yeah. What questions do you have prepared for us, Jack? Me? I have plenty. Let's see. Plenty of questions. Typically I prepare questions and we just somehow organically arrive at them. one I was like too fresh. What? I forget the first one. I think it was about money with the trip. Cuz I That's a whole other thing with that. Why? What do you mean? want to discuss that? Oh, I can talk about it for sure, but I just don't think I was like ready to plunge into it. Well, let's plunge into it now. So, what's it Okay, so the money thing is with the trip. Cuz your money your money and I want to like I want you people want what they want. Right. People want You just want to talk about money. Okay. So, yeah. So, let's dive into it. Would we First off, I just want to establish this. Would we Would we be I mean close enough to the truth where we could make the title like how she traveled the world for free? Or is that not true? not at all? Um well, cuz essentially like I had investors and sponsors, so I don't know if that's free cuz But it didn't come out of your pocket. Only around like 10 grand did. How did you travel the entire world for 10 grand? Mention that somewhere in the video so we can use that as a title. So, how much did it cost to travel the entire world? Yeah, what was your total out of pocket costs? Out of pocket costs? Out of pocket costs were around 10 grand. Yeah. Wow. It's impressive. Yeah, that's very We came up with our title now. Yeah. But what was this money thing that you were saying you didn't want to dive into it in the beginning? Is that this? Uh well, it's it's a whole other aspect of the expedition that and travel in general, but like so I've had two sets of travel like in my early 20s and my expedition. So, we're talking about my expedition now, but um it's just like there's a whole There's so many layers to it that Okay, I'm wildly impressed that you traveled the world for 10 grand. If I had the opportunity to travel the world for 10 grand, I probably I mean not right now because of Graham, but I most definitely they otherwise. And it's very very cool. So, essentially you saved up some money from babysitting and from being a lifeguard. And then you use that money to have your initial expedition. And then you came back and decided that you wanted to travel the entire world and break a Guinness World Record. No. Close, though. Okay. Close. A couple points. Very close. Very close. I would give you three out of out of 10 on that one. No, I just wanted to say 60% to 30%. No, that was I was well, I'm not good with math, YOU SO, MAYBE THREE out of five. Three out of five. Like Okay, cool. I'll take it. So, what was wrong from that? Um no. So, so I essentially took that 10 grand and started traveling the world, but I had a plan in place and I had sponsors and investors to get going with that as well. How do you get sponsors and investors? Yeah. So, I had to do a lot of networking. Mhm. So, I go to like C-level travel events, like travel and tourism, you know, conferences. The stuff that would like eat at me cuz I'm such an introvert, but I had to just go and and just pitch myself as much as possible to these like one of them is Yeah. Oh, sorry. Oh, no. I had a question. Yeah. Yeah, you can go ahead. What's the return on investment? For for a lot of these investors, just honestly, to be completely honest, they wanted to give to a young girl who was going after like a humanitarian thing who didn't have any money and who was like working really hard. Fair enough. Okay. Literally like my investors, it was a philanthropic thing. And I feel like and also I was like, oh, I'll promote you. Like I'll talk They're like, no. I'm like a private No, you do not mention my name ever. So, like No paperwork. They were very generous. These few investors and I met them face-to-face at these events and I would like pitch them and I'd be introduced to them by like other networks that I had, you know, like people. And so that's what it was. It says that you have two Guinness World Records Yes. on your website. What are What's the other one? So, it's it's the fastest person to visit all sovereign nations and the fastest female to visit all sovereign nations. Person and female? Yeah. Those have been broken since. Cool. Oh, okay. But you still have this. This year. Yeah. I have the plaques and everything. They can't take those away from you. No, they can't. Are those like framed in the museum? framed in my house. Okay, yeah. I mean, that would Like those are my only accomplishments. Any Any intention of getting that back though? Of just being like, "No, I'm going to do it faster." Peo- People have asked that. That's like a huge question. But, you know what? If I If I had like you know, two mil to do it and fly business And like do it nice. then yeah, I would do it. you think I could do that for $2 million and just be the fastest? Um much is it going to cost? If someone watching this right now is going to be like, "No, I'm going to I want I'm going to get that record." How much would it cost? Uh 100 grand? You could do it You could do it for 100 grand, but the thing is there's so many variables like your passport and if you can get the visa. That's depending on the embassy. Like literally, I had to go back and forth to the Pac- to the Pakistani embassy like five times to be like, "Please Please issue me this visa." And Turkmenistan is like a guessing game. Like they deny just random people and like them about this or would that make it worse? Then it would be like, "No, Sometimes it makes it way worse. Like, "No, we don't want to be a part of this American Trump girl." Yeah, okay. Are you allowed to use a Trip Advisor? Like Yeah. Yeah, I use Trip Advisor a lot. A Trip Advisor or a Trip Advisor? Cuz aren't those separate? Yeah. Like a trip planner or what? What's that? I had that for some of my visas, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Santa's Bag of Bound. Cuz that would probably take care of a lot of It would help They helped with a lot of visas, yeah. feel like getting like Expedia like booking.com or something like that would be a great idea. Can I tell you something? I went to one of the summits I went to in between my expedition was a World Travel and Tourism Council Summit and I was flying back. I got sponsored there to fly business It was my first time ever flying business class, okay? And I was super excited. On the way back, it was in Madrid. Um my seatmate was the CEO of Expedia Hm. at the time. His name began with a D. I don't remember my I'm really bad with names. Sure. He was sitting next to me. I was like, I've been wanting to pitch this guy the whole weekend. He was on my list. I've been wanting So I'm like I'm like trying to stay chill, but I was so hungover from our last night. They got me really wild up. Wow. But the whole time I was back and forth between the toilet on the plane. I didn't have enough energy to even pitch myself to this guy. And we were right next to each other. It was a huge mistake. you drink? What what That's why Graham and I don't Yeah, we don't mess with that stuff. Yeah. What did they want? Did you just say you don't drink? The the the owner of the you know, his son and like they're like, "Oh, I I'll introduce you and here's some more." And I'm like Listen, I'm a second You can't not comply. I feel like It's hard in Madrid too. Like it's where there's like But you have one drink. Two max. That's it. I'm not good with that. I'm not good with that. It's really bad, but I'm not good with that. And that totally messed up that deal cuz then he just I think he bought out like Orbitz too and I was like Missed opportunity. what? You live On another flight though I was like waiting in line for the bathroom in economy and this guy was behind me and this was like also right before my expedition. I was like, "Hey, you look like that guy Toby from The Office." No. And I was drinking too, so I was also more open with speaking. Yeah. And I was this is when it actually helped me. Wow. like, "Yeah, I'm Paul Lieberstein, yeah, from Wow. The Office." I was like, "Hey, I'm going this expe- expedition around the world. Would you be interested in like being a supporter on it? He's like, "Yeah, for sure. Send me the information." So, he was a supporter on my So, I ended up Wow. That is so cool. that wouldn't like contribute anything, but they'd just be like on my website, which was really cool. That's neat. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So, that's what Toby. Yeah, good guy. He's awesome. He's Yeah, he's he's awesome. Is he the same personality in person? Uh he's a little more chill. I don't know if he's waiting for He's more chill in person like he's I think he's waiting for the third season. He was so relaxed though. Yeah, I would say he's pretty similar. Hey hey guys. Yeah. Hey Michael. Yeah, like that. I don't know. No, he had a little more personality. Okay. Hey Cassie. No, he he was chill. He was chill. Yeah. He was chill. Chill enough and honestly like in economy I was like to look back and be like, "Huh." Yeah. That's cool. Wait, so he was flying economy? I guess so. Wow. It was like Delta. I don't know. That's cool. Mhm. You know, I saw I was actually on a flight coming from Where was it? It was either I think it was Canada, Toronto. And up in first class was that guy from Two and a Half Men, not Charlie Sheen, but the other guy. Huh. I never watched it. The Yeah, I feel like I know who you're talking about. He shaved his head, now he's a villain. Oh, the Austin Powers guy? No. No, it's Mike Myers. Dude, no no the villain on Austin Powers the That's Mike Myers. What? Yes, he plays the same character. That's the whole point of the movie. serious? Do you not know that? The million dollars guy? Yes. Dr. Evil? That's all him. He plays like most of the characters in the movie. This is This is real, guys. know. Don't ask me. Are you serious? How am I supposed to know that? They look completely different. That's the point of makeup. Jon Cryer. Jon Cryer is who who I flew on a plane with that that guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Jon Cryer, but come on, man. Look, Mike Myers. Mike Myers' character looks completely different. Who Who stays and watches the credits to see to see like Dr. Evil, Mike Myers. Dude, they sound the same. He was He was also a Fat Bastard. Did you think that was an actor, too? Yeah. Like a different actor. You thought that was like not him. Yeah. He's He plays all three. He also plays Yeah, I don't know. I don't He also plays Mini-Me. No, he doesn't. I'm just kidding. I know that's that's someone else. Kidding. That one was a joke. But yeah, no, those are all of his characters. It looks the same. No, it doesn't. do. The face. Does that face That looks like Mike Myers' face. The eyes. The eyes. The eyes. It does, though. It really does. The eyes. You can't even see the eyes in that picture. You can't even see the eyes. It's just a blur. Just saying, those are all of his characters. It's like Eddie Murphy playing all the you know, all these characters in The Nutty Professor. I didn't know that. When I when I actually the last travel I went on was in March and I was coming back from British Columbia to LA and I was in business cuz it was for a speaking engagement and like one of the guys like got up and like and started like packing all this toilet paper and I like made a joke cuz I'd had some wine and I cuz it makes you more open. I'M JUST LIKE THAT'S SOME WINE, OKAY. OTHERWISE, you wouldn't say this and no one did. I was like, well, that's a lot of toilet paper you have and everyone turned to me and they're like cuz they were all like wanting to say something to him, I guess. I guess he was a really big actor. Um I couldn't tell you who he was right now cuz I forgot, but like I didn't know, but like they all did. Everyone in like business class like knew who he was. probably saying what everyone else wanted to say. up on my conversation with him and the toilet paper. Why do you have so much toilet paper? Because it was the quarantine and so he's like my wife in LA they were out so he had to bring it back. had to defend himself. He was like it's okay. It's okay. It's my wife. Not me. Yeah, but Okay. Have you ever traveled out of the country Graham? Canada. Oh, that's it? Canada and Mexico. Okay, cool. Yeah, that's it. So I haven't left the continent though. Okay. Well, technically I've been to Canada and Mexico. I went to Alaska and I think there was a layover or something. But I was 10 and I don't remember I I I literally think we were only in the airport in Canada and then there was a cruise down to Mexico that I did when I was like five but I don't think we ever actually docked. So Okay. Technically I have been out of the country. I'm quite exotic in Cool. Yeah. Well, it takes money, you know, and it takes, you know, time off of work That's all. Unless you're a travel influencer. Unless you could freeze time and just go and travel and then come back and not miss anything. Yeah, it's just the time aspect of it. Or where would you go? Um Probably Australia, Fiji. Snorkeling spots. Love to do snorkeling spots at some point. Aquarium, reef kind of Yeah, yeah. So the Great Barrier Reef, Fiji. I think um what's the one the Maldives. Oh, I was going to say I was just going to say Maldives or Seychelles but like Maldives, yeah. Beachy tropical places where I can go scuba diving. I think And if you guys ever need someone to watch your cat, you know Deal. Deal. There's a cat lady here. Yeah. So can you tell us now? I think this is a good segue into how much you spend every month. Do you drink Starbucks? No, I make my own coffee from home. Okay. So how much do you spend every month and then where do you waste your money and then how much do you make every month? Your household income, net worth, credit score I'm not prepared for any of these. Oh, and then how much money you have in investments and how much does this make I'm not I wasn't really like my parents weren't good with money. We didn't grow up with a lot of money. It was kind of like we never really learned about money. And so I was just making not a lot of like around like like I said like 40 grand babysitting, you know, and then so I didn't really start making money until around 3 years ago, you know, like 27 when this all finished and suddenly I was like in the you know, six-figure-ish up range. And I want to be vague cuz I feel like she Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But and it just like went from zero to nothing and I was like how do I manage this? First of all, I have to invest it into the business. Like everything has gone into the business the past few years. And so it wasn't really until like the past really quarantine that I was like huh, stocks. My brother's like I'm looking into trading and day trading and I'm like oh, maybe I should do and then your videos I'm like I should maybe look at some stocks and investing. So I'm like I'm not Yeah, I budget I budget for sure for sure. I had to. Savings rate? Percentage of your What percentage of your savings rate based off of 20%? Of like each paycheck. Okay, should be higher. Well, it depends like I'm sure it should be. Well, okay, so so what are we talking about we're talking about investing too and that's 10% okay, should be should be 30. We're going to get that to 30%. 30% I can get there. Yeah. I feel like I'm just so new with like making a good amount of money that I'm like I've had to just focus on growing the business and I haven't really thought about cuz I wasn't really educated on that. Yeah. You know, like investing um and so now I'm doing like real estate like land development um and just really I'm I'm growing in like many ways but to to to invest get a better ROI investing in yourself and your business, it only makes sense to continue doing that. Where do you waste money? Um I make Erewhon. Oh, that's so expensive. I'm going to go to Erewhon. Erewhon Jack, you got to go to Erewhon. told me and mentioned it before. Yes, too. Yeah, Equinox is yeah. I closed my You closed your membership. Yeah, well they've been Yeah, they've been closed. was a waste of money. No, not if you go every day. If you go every day, but they put all memberships on hold starting March. Yeah, I canceled mine. But Erewhon is the biggest waste of money. That that that I think is a scam store. What percentage premium do you pay just based off Erewhon? What? If Equinox or Equinox I'm a member. But like Erewhon, are you? No. Oh gosh, no. I've been in the store a few times just to look at the prices. They double everything. Double. So it's double 100% premium. I remember. I walked in there and they had like a little thing of watermelon like this size just filled with watermelon slices. It's like $9. Yeah. Like to buy a full watermelon is maybe like three bucks. Yeah. And you're getting a slice of watermelon. Yes, for $9. And they also had these like pre-made sandwiches that they you would think in any normal store would cost like four bucks, five bucks. These sandwiches are like $16 for a little pre-made sandwich. Why don't you just go to a restaurant and get a sandwich that's probably twice as good? It was the juices. They had like this juice cleanse thing. These little shots of things are five, six bucks or like these smoothies for like $12. It's It's insane. and kombuchas. They just Wow. Oh, and the chocolates. They had these like $7 chocolates because people with money like want to feel superior and they want to be like, "I'm getting the highest quality stuff. I like money can possibly buy. Money is no object." But what they're really getting is ripped off. That's that's what they're getting. It's true. I've spent like $150. I've spent $450 on a bag of of groceries at Erewhon and they would fit 1/3 the bag cuz of the supplements and everything there. And then I go to Trader Joe's and for $130 you get like eight bags. I go That's the only place I go now in Calabasas. Yeah, Trader Joe's is good but not Erewhon. And even Erewhon sometimes some of the most of them I I think have valet. So you could go and valet your car at the grocery store. It's fancy. Oh, I've never been there. you're 21. Yeah. It got I mean part of me wants to go there and film it but I have a feeling if we walk in with a camera We should do a trip to Erewhon. Okay. You should You should do that. That'd be really interesting. Reaction Millionaire reacts to Erewhon. We could do We could do that but the thing is you go in with a camera, you'll for sure get kicked out. You would have to do it so indiscreetly with like an iPhone or something. And the Palisades one is a really good one to do that, I'd say. Okay. Yeah, that's a good one. Okay. Put that on the to-do list. waste of money. But yeah, it's a splurge for sure. We could just do that with an iPhone. That could be an episode on like a weekend. Go to Erewhon and just just react. Rip on Erewhon. Every time after Equinox like I would go. That's combining like two of the two of the most expensive things. Like after Equinox go to Erewhon. Plus you'd have to pay for parking at Equinox if you're ever like 2 hours or something or an hour. It was It's like I I'd always like be there for like 2 hours. have to pay for parking if you're over 2 hours. You have to pay for parking. Yeah, in Santa Monica. You have to. Where you Do you go to the one in Santa Monica? Yeah. It was like you'd have to pay like over 2 hours. Oh, you have to pay It was free It was It's free for 2 hours. Up to 2 hours but like who if you're going to shower or if you want to like do a bunch of If you really must, Skyler. If you're Graham, you know, you want to stay there for more than 2 hours. I spend all day there, yeah. I break the machines when I'm on them. until they break. Actually, Shelby just sold She just sold me on that machine that treadmill thing. I was I just got it. okay, cool. The $2,000 one? I know, but no, but I Well, I need weights and like I can't find them anywhere online. It's like for a whole set, it's like 2,000. And like, okay, well, You know what you got to do? May as well. Is you got to join Graham and I cuz we go on these runs every day. And we run to a a childhood like We run to a children's playground. This is every day. And we do pull-ups on the monkey bars or whatever. Like it's empty, there's no one there. either. Well, they're they're closed, but you just walk I mean, there's no no There's no one there. You just You just do pull-ups on a children's playground. though. But you do different ones, you do different like like the the pull-ups at different lengths. Well, Graham's better than I The other ones. Yeah, he's good. It's a good back workout. And then you get to run at the same time. Huh. Just go to a children's playground. It have everything you need. Yeah, it's a good idea. I should think about But I've already bought it, so. Too late. Let's do this. Let's do the Let's ask the duck horse question. Well, we'll end it. it, Graham. Okay. Um so, the last question we we leave everyone with It's probably going to cause many nights of sleeplessness. Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horses or one horse sized duck? I'd probably do the the big the big duck. You'd rather the one big duck. Why? Um cuz I know some Krav Maga and I feel like I could take them down. Krav Maga. Okay. All right. Cool. Okay. Good answer. Let's wrap it up. Come on. I guess we just close it. me. Yeah, thanks so much for coming on. It was a blast. We really appreciate it. As always, guys, make sure to destroy the like button, subscribe button, notification bell. We'll put Instagrams down below in the description. Get your two free stocks from WeBull because now one of those stocks is going to be worth all the way up to $1,600. How crazy is that? 1,600 bucks up to. Fine print there. But anyway, thank you guys so much for watching. Really appreciate it. And until next time. Cool. around 10 grand in that like year and a half before once I decided to do this expedition I started I got to save. What? Wait, did I No. Okay. Yeah, so we're a little silly today. 16th? Cool. Yeah, 16th ever. You do the intro. Okay.