How To Make $100,000 Per Month Playing Video Games | Confronting BunnyFuFuu

my name is bunny fufu and welcome to the iced coffee hour and i may not be ready but i might as well start now great intro that was one of the best ones that we've had so far no no no no no no listen i think you have the dream job that probably every kid growing up wants to be you i think it's actually one of the most sought after jobs now is being a youtuber so what you do you're a part of it it's what i do but not only that but uh but your youtube playing video games you get to play video games all day long make a full-time living from it but you're also making enough money from this to buy a ton of real estate like some impressive houses i visited your house i think it was win almost two years ago i think so around then yeah it's like 5 000 square feet it's like four it's he's got a four story thousands yes they have four-story house it's a big one yeah i guess does the roof count as a for as a story yes oh yeah yeah it does it does all right three and a half we'll go with that because you got every room decked out like i kid you not i walked in and you would imagine like a college dorm room i always get made fun of for the amount of computers i have in my home yeah how many computers do you have too many too many is it over 10 it is over 10. yeah oh my god one room has like 10 computers seriously you go down to the basement and there's like a row of 20 computers and you go down there and there's like people down there like 24 7. you walk downstairs there's like 10 dudes just with their their headphones on wait and that's currently looking away and that's here in las vegas yes yeah you got to come over i would love to game game with all of us yeah i used to game all the time that is so cool i would love to yeah and i was actually blown away too you had a chef a private chef yeah yep yep yep i think [Music] a lot of people think it's very bougie and waste money but i kind of just view it as i cook extremely slow i eat extremely slow so as much time as i can save as possible when it comes to someone doing something for me i like to spend money there to earn some time back it's also probably healthier it is yeah yeah i've noticed uh before in the early days of starting this whole business it was just costco the most unhealthy foods frozen foods 24 7. you just feel like garbage all the time yeah so tell us about this business because i think a lot of people look at like the youtube gaming space you're like oh you just play video games all day long that's all you're doing but see i i don't think people really understand like how much of a serious business this is and like how many people you have working for you and just like just everything behind it you've really built your own like video game kind of empire here i think we should also introduce our guests do them a little bit of justice uh bunny fufu youtuber business owner been in the youtube game for how long uh probably full time like three to four years now three to four years and started out playing video games and uh got really competitive so yeah backtrack uh the game we're talking about is league of legends i played that all throughout my high school my friend showed it to me in the beginning of my high school and played that got pretty good near my junior senior year and then when i was a senior in high school i would uh i got i was pretty high up on the leaderboards so a professional team reached out to me and said hey we want you to play for our team try out what not and so um the tryout went extremely well there were a bunch of people trying out at the time and uh i guess i knocked it out of the park because after two games they were like all right i guess you're the one come up to la this weekend and play with us and then uh did that and so that went well as well and then for my whole senior year i went from going to school during the week and then going up to la on the weekends and competing and then repeat until the end of my high school career and then i uh moved into gaming house after gaming house after high school and then should i just keep going wait wait wait how do you go you how did you get some good gaming house and yeah do you guys how did you get so good in three years because i played dota for like four and i did not get that good all right how many hours would you say did it take you to actually become literally lots of hours i think everyone who ends up going pro obviously it starts out as passion they just sink everything into it like if you are trying to balance something else with balancing this it's just not gonna happen do you what about high school like how long were you playing in high school did your grades suffer did your parents ever be like you gotta you listen you gotta get a job one day you gotta go to college yes school was definitely not my my gig no no no no i think that's a big motivation i have to work so hard on what i do is because it's like if this doesn't work go to school okay that's not even an option so this has to work yeah you just really don't want to go back to school yeah that's what you said it's a good motivator honestly right but did you have a good relationship with your parents where they at least understood what you were doing or were they like as long as you just like see yeah uh the best convincer can you guys guess what it is the best thing to do money yeah are you making are you making money yep once the money came in it was get down it's dinner time after money okay bring dinner up i'll see you in 30 minutes well how much how much money is it like we're talking like a hundred bucks you were talking you were like this is when you were 18. uh like high school i did something that's actually um frowned upon in the game i would help you i would get banned for this saying this but i think it was so long ago that doesn't matter yeah and uh i plan on being extremely open this podcast so i could shoot myself in the foot but i'm trying to be more spontaneous so i'm just going to lay it all out there and i'm sure it'll be entertaining because that's probably what you want to hear i want to we want to hear the entertaining stuff we can put a mid-roll ad right here [Laughter] you think i'm joking but i don't know if then we'll see so financial is up for you uh what was the original question before we got into how entertaining this was going to be money money from starting out i would actually rank people up in the game oh no way yeah it's against the terms you could carry people i i would go on their account and rank them up and they would pay me and that which is totally legal right please don't ban me explain this it was so long ago i don't do this anymore explain this i so i'm not so you you suck at the game right yeah you play you play with a bunch of friends yeah you want to look like you're good you would give me a hundred dollars i would take you from this rank to this rank and now you look good in front of your friends you would play with he would play with you in competitive games i i would log into your account yeah oh you played four which is why it's illegal which is why it was very long time ago please don't ban me from the game i play okay you would play for repeat wait wait so this is how you were making money originally originally the very first money i started making how much were they paying yeah well yeah and how do you how do they find you they just reach out to you or how do you um my mother's listed on some like random form and then it's honestly it was a lot of word of mouth and then it got to the point where there were so many people asking me to do it i had a bunch of other good friends that were good at the game and i would give them jobs and take 50 of what they get give them 50 everyone's happy so now what i was like indirectly starting a business from very early on that turned out to be pretty lucrative and fun and then i stopped i don't like i said i haven't done it for a long time please don't ban me from the game i like you guys just how much how much were you making um back then it was like maybe a couple grand a month no that's great yeah holy crap this is pretty cool couple grand a month you got to think too let's say three three a month i'm just sitting like yeah i think it was yeah that's a hundred bucks a day for being 18 years old playing video games and then to free up more of my time i would pay my classmates money to do my homework so i could save time there and you're outsourcing more people yeah wow and and for the fact that i had no idea what to do on my homework and i would have failed anyways so you know what i've never told anybody this i did that in high school too you paid people you just changed yeah then i paid i paid someone to do my homework my size how much have you had uh i think it was like 200 bucks it was it was a lot now this is when i was working at the uh at the aquarium spot and uh there's this guy victor who was really really really good at i think it was chemistry and there was some sort of final or something where i think i would have to have retook the class over summer oh so and so for me it was like i wanted to work so it's worth it for me to pay the 200 bucks and you know what the funny thing is he got a higher grade from me than he did on his own test because i think he took his first and then took mine right after and this is we were doing like the online stuff so like you just basically had to log in your stuff online type in the answers that's so funny see my teacher's name i wasn't going to get a good grade and the person who's helping me cheat would a student so i actually purposely told him not to give me a good grade i would show up and be like hey give me a b today and then he would help me out wow yeah that's smart that's very smart that's impressive you can't throw the teachers off guardians yeah yeah you can't go from like an f student to like an a-plus because then it's like obvious you're cheating that's i don't want to endorse any of this obviously but uh okay so you're making good money in high school and then you decide what not to go to college um so and then uh after i noticed how i had a real shot of like becoming a professional at it obviously doing that kind of stuff was frowned upon and you'll get um it's honestly it doesn't help you get that much good at the game because or that good at the game because you're playing versus really bad people you're not going to get you're not going to improve doing that so i basically stopped doing that so my income went down to zero because i went to focusing on practicing 24 7 to possibly get on one of those pro teams and then my dad was like all right money stopped what happened what's going on here i'm like dad trust me like it's this this is a good opportunity and he's like nope this is not good go outside and then it went back to doing that again and then uh my mom's super supportive about it uh whether it was money or not really and then uh after practicing getting good at the game i got that shot to try out and then that's where i was talking about got the tryout nailed that and started going up to the weekends and competing there and then money started coming back in from that source which was winning tournaments and stuff uh it's kind of like the nfl but for nerds it's called the lcs league legends championship series i don't know if you guys know much about it now but um basically the game creator started its own league where there's like uh a franchise where it's it's like the nfl you know there's 32 teams they compete and they have his regular season playoffs and then they move on and whatnot uh same same concept so there's 10 teams and then i found my way onto one of those teams to compete in there and it's a pretty legitimate like it's way more diligent now than it was back then but even back then i was still pretty legit and the owner of the team had a sit-down conversation with my parents and was like listen your son's really good like trust me he's has potential of making this work into a career and would show all the other people that have succeeded in that category and then she was like okay we'll give it a shot and then yeah and and once you joined this team how were you receiving income was it just by by winning tournaments and playing with this team against the other nine teams or was it through like a salary from the franchise so riot the owner of the game created this whole concept because they knew video games were very you show up to a tournament you can only make money if you win and that's obviously a not a sustainable way to live because if you suck for six months you're going bankrupt and you have to not play the game anymore so the whole reason behind this whole franchise thing was to because um was because they want to make it more sustainable so it was all salary based from teams and it was like you compete for this team you get a salary i think my salary first 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probably so confusing i'm doing a whole job explaining yeah yeah i'm following i'm following yeah yeah okay amateur a thousand professional four yeah they have like major league and minor league basically where you can revolve between the two okay and then um nowadays it's way different we can fast forward as much as you guys want how many years ahead you guys want to travel i want your help yeah so so when you were making a thousand dollars a month you were still making this commute here from las vegas all the way over there um this was after my high school all my friends were like we're gonna go to college we're gonna go to college i'm like oh i think i'm gonna go and live with a bunch of dudes and play video games and they were like that makes no sense good luck you know because a lot of the people in my high school were just had college ready to go right it kind of sucks how it's like the normal thing now i think i know not all my friends went to college yeah they they thought it was crazy for not going like nuts and you know what for me the part that i hated the most was the parents the parents were like oh where are you going oh you're not going what are you are you planning on going next year i was like no i'm gonna get my real estate license oh okay like really just like they just talked down to you it's dude i hate it i couldn't stand it i'm like i'm gonna show you [Music] oh yeah so so you were living with this at this gaming house were they charging you rent because you're only making a thousand dollars a month yeah this was after high school imagine they charge it down 950 this was after high school i moved up to la and uh this is in the early stages of things things are way different now sure you would be surprised how professional things are now but back then it was two people living in a king-size bed it was the coach living in the closet it was me in the corner of the room on a twin bed so like super ghetto at the time they're not making me payment for that i'm sure you're probably curious about that um but it was basically just the team working their booty off to get as good as possible to see where this uh industry goes you know what team was that um it was team curse at the time they're team liquid now i mean i'm sure they probably don't like me saying there were four people living in the same room i've heard of liquid yeah but i mean the thing is you got to do what you got to do i don't think there's anything honorable yeah i think it's a badge of honor the fact that like you're willing to do anything it takes like that's just what it's uh required you have to do that i know there's a funny story where the owner of the team was like hey bunny like we love having you here but like careful going outside like there's a actually the hoa limits you of how many people can live in a current building so i thought that was so my god steve i'm sorry if this is bad i shouldn't say this but i think i think it's funny all right we're going to be very open on this podcast i'm not going to die from saying a lot of things i'm saying what's that going to happen uh what about the first tournament that you did you ever win a tournament like a big tournament um it's honestly like uh think of it like you know how i said the nfl yeah these 10 teams they're in a regular season and then there's a playoffs and then once you win playoffs you go to worlds and compete against everyone in the world so for those who know about league of legends you probably know exactly what i'm talking about not knowing anything it's probably extremely confusing i'm sorry now what's the farthest you ever got um unfortunately i never went to worlds but i did compete in uh there's like live stages and all that stuff so it's uh hard to explain it's hard to answer that question i guess have you ever gotten a tournament winning um we were first place in the regular season for a while in playoffs um top four i believe it's pretty it's pretty competitive hard stuff sounds like it yeah so what happened after that then you're making 4k i'm guessing you got to be like 19 at that time 20. uh something around that yeah okay so and then after that season ended um it was a pretty not established organization and then the established organizations just try to grab all the best players they can so um i don't know if you guys have heard of cloud9 they snagged me tsm team solomid they snagged one of our other players um another established team grabbed one of the players so our our team was pretty good but since it wasn't that uh stable of an organization all the players just ended up getting boom disbanded and then so i went to cloud9 and then my salary went up to 8 000 a month playing for them and i was actually a substitute at the time under someone who um was really experienced at the game and i kind of went under his wing to learn about the game and learn about how i can improve as a player and that was pretty cool and then what and the story goes on once i need to drink some water here oh wow that's a really nice mug that is that's is that bankroll coffee that's crazy wow where you could get your coffee now for sale at bankrollcoffee.com it's the most cost-effective coffee delivered straight to your door online exactly locally growth roasted as let's say roasted and ethically sourced bankroll that's what i'm drinking right now i like that so eight thousand dollars a month while you were like 21. back to the boring story no i'm just kidding i'm going to try to make this as entertaining as possible and we'll get to the juice eight grand a month is great yeah and by playing video games like i mean i'm guessing you're probably putting in like 12 14 hours of work every day it's a lot yeah yeah just practicing so being on that team um it was super good i learned a lot being a starter or a substitute whatever it was at the time the salary was the same all the way through and then fast forward about a year i noticed uh i got basically replaced at the time to be as blunt as possible and i was like here we go again it was a top team so essentially if you get kicked from a top team you have a lot of opportunities to join a lower tier team may have the same salary but it is a stressful life because if you play bad for like two weeks or three weeks you're going to get replaced and someone else is going to take your spot so obviously that's not really when you say playing bad you mean you're just like losing yeah like you suck at the game why would you play better like what what would cause you to suck that game have you ever played a video game no but if you're playing good right why would you suddenly play bad uh because you're okay let's say you are a baseball dude so you're a great chess player i'm a great chess player yeah you're gonna beat me sometimes if you beat me more often than not i'm getting from here down to here right so it's obvious basically it's like you ever heard of a slump that's like a thing people go through where you just go through a bad spell like just okay you're swinging and missing yeah badge every batting yard is low for two months you're probably going on a lower two teams so i noticed being on the top team i had the opportunity to join five other teams at the time and i was like do i really want to keep living this life of working or playing for 12 14 hours a day feeling guilty to go out with my girlfriend at the time because i should be practicing and it's like that level of guilt is just not something i want to live with so instead of joining another one of those five teams and just being stuck in that race of being in that league that's um very high demanding um content creation was an option because one of the players on my team was actually extremely popular he would stream on twitch and he would get like 20 000 viewers every stream what's his name uh sneaky sneaky yeah everyone has such cool names mine is just graham and yours is jack you've never had 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his wing and helped me grow as a influencer essentially so and i knew uh streaming was still really demanding and then my friend at the time who did youtube for the game i play he told me how much it he made and it was six digits a month and i was like okay well that's my new job from youtube yes and that's adsense what was sponsorships uh that was just ad revenue at the time actually no yep can we ask you that no how many views was he pulling a month a lot he was getting about a million a video wow yeah so once he told me that i'm like all right well the fact that you can play one game upload that to however many people instead of streaming and being entertaining for 10 hours straight the one game sounds much more nice and so i knew from the get-go yeah i would funnel everyone i had on stream into my youtube channel to promote that because i knew that's something i wanted to do so you're streaming on twitch at this time how many people were watching you on twitch um only about like maybe i say only that sounds kind of bm but compared to the more successful people on the platform it's not a crazy amount anywhere from like maybe 500 to 2 000 okay yeah got it so you're taking those people to youtube what year was this it must been 17 2017 i got a timeline i know i know we need like a powerpoint presentation maybe like six years ago now we're getting closer to the present all right and whenever he would funnel me uh you can host on stream so yeah my viewers let's say i'm streaming with 50 000 people i give them all to you maybe 20 000 stay and watch your stuff and then they like you they don't and i'd be like hey guys i have a pretty cool youtube channel if you want to check out that every time he would show me viewers right that eventually grew into something so sneaky hosted you a lot yeah exactly and that's something where i knew i was like let me take this opportunity because sneaky is amazing and uh helping me out instead of rejoining another team rejoining the stressful you can get benched at any moment of time if you have a slump for two weeks you know what i mean it's very not fun got it so you're building up this youtube channel yeah what were you posting back then were you just taking your twitch streams and then repackaging them yeah basically on stream i would play a game of league of legends and then i would cut out that game editor slap on some memes during the video and post that and then that would be my content how often were you posting it's daily daily this was back when youtube really promoted daily content yeah yeah they were huge on that a while ago yeah i remember this was uh it was 2017 where daily content was like the thing to do it was crazy and i remember uh it was ricky gutierrez who was trading stocks and one of the reasons why his channel did so well in the beginning was because he posted every single day brand new youtube promoted that so hard it was so it was pretty stressful as a creator too where trying to one up yourself daily that's like unheard of yeah and then this i love talking about old youtube trends uh it was uh mid 2017 they started pushing live videos like crazy they were trying to compete with twitch and i remember that i was thinking to myself i can't post videos anymore because they would just promote the live streams and so i was like oh man am i going to have to do live streams now like for the algorithm it only lasted a few months youtube's making a really big push on that now by the way we're jumping to the present also but they just signed a few giant twitch creators to go on stream on youtube which is really cool wow all right giant creators so anyway so you're posting daily on youtube uh the one this is the main channel the bunny fufu channel yep and now i'm really sorry this has turned into like a biography i really want to get in some like juice soon but once we catch up the present i promise you i got some stuff in my mind that graham is probably not going to put on his podcast but we'll see how it goes let's see i'm inclined to keep a lot of this on there and let's just get your handshake i'm way i'm going to get my way outside my comfort zone and then you know let's try worst case we cut it out but i'm i'm inclined to keep most of it on there all right we're getting outside our comfort zone here all right um but to catch you up for the present sneaky helped me out um and then i had to leave the team house at the time because obviously i wasn't on team anymore and i moved into la rand oh my gosh lauren is that why you left too it's just too expensive uh not the rent just taxes yeah yeah yeah but essentially uh i knew i did i like the l.a rent as a landlord allie rent's too low [Laughter] i knew i didn't want to pay that too low la rent at the time and so only rent needs to be higher oh jeez graham's trying to raise your hand no i'm kidding i'm kidding but seriously so um i was my girlfriend at the time and i was like listen i'm gonna move back to san diego into my dad's house to save money and i want to invite people to help me with my youtube channel back there and she was like no i don't really want to do that we kind of split went our separate ways from then on and on yeah you guys broke up yeah we broke up because were you guys living together at the time yeah yeah how long have you guys been dating maybe a year year and a half well living together that's the thing you can't just say like i'm going to move back in with my dad and have a whole bunch of guys live with me i would say most women would be like well wouldn't yeah because then you're kind of kicking around you're kind of regressing in the relationship yeah yeah i see that i see your point of view no no listen i'm trying to i'm trying to like be on your side he chose he chose work right i mean that's totally fine yeah yeah because a couple thousand dollars or free rent at my dad's house it's the financial decision that you should make obviously a good decision yeah and then so i did that for about two years imagine you're like i miss her every day that's why i came on the podcast please just call me back please i give it all random questions any guests ever cried on the podcast no oh boy all right well if you want to be the first feel free to let us know on the podcast graham let's get emotional with you later okay i'm not gonna hold back this is the handshake we made to make sure graham cries and now i can keep that in the video for you guys all right listen i'm i'm open to i'm about i honestly have some questions that i'm gonna ask myself you guys all right that macy might kill me for sure macy what is that girlfriend yeah yeah yeah yeah she might kill you if i asked some of the questions i met oh jeez let's see okay i'm in the handshake a lot of this is staying in the video let's see all right so to catch up to the present um worked on my dad's house for two years saves enough to move to las vegas i mean you know why moving to las vegas is great i'm sure all your viewers do stay income tax cheaper yadda yadda more room boom now been doing this for three years in las vegas have been expanding my real estate portfolio here and we're finally to the present and we can now get into some juice how many how many properties wait how many properties do you own no more what do you mean we're almost done no here's the thing man you can't just go from that until then like you own like five properties you own five properties no how many properties you have i have four currently and i have two more in the works in the works like the under contract or what um yeah so american west homes you guys know how it works basically like you can like customize your home and they build around it'll take like nine months and you can kind of pick and choose what you want two of those in the works right now got it here's the part that i wanted to talk briefly about is that you have like an entire content house basically where you're posting content but you also have people that live with you that also post content yeah and you basically are are you a manager of them and you get like a cut it's like house manager half they help me with content it's like basically uh i have a few homes dedicated to this whole project where it's either you're helping me with what i'm doing whether it's a manager or a youtube manager or people that play with me to help me to look as good as possible it's a mixture of a bunch of things and or uh they're a content creator and they move in and i take a percentage of what they make by helping promote them it's a whole many different avenues you go down that are do you rent out the other houses to con content creators as well or is this just your main house um so i have three right now dedicated to everyone who's helping me and i'm helping them and then one is fully i don't touch rental property passive income which back when i first realized you moved to my dad's house it's nice i can refer to my timeline now because people are kind of caught up to speed yeah that's when i originally started watching you oh cool yeah yeah back with about 150k subscribers the whole um uh real estate passive income i i really think once you stop having to trade your time for money you can unlock a new level of yourself where you don't like feel guilty for doing what you're doing it helps with happiness a lot in my opinion sure because let's say you go to disneyland if you work for your money it's like you're just trading your time for your money and you're always worried like is this was it worth it was this experience nice but if you have passive income that you literally don't have to work for you can enjoy experiences without having to worry i traded two hours for this or i traded five hours for this or ten hours you know what i mean yeah that's pretty cool so you're talking about this with your rental property yeah got it but then what about the business the business that's the juicy part the business that's the juicy part um if i dance around any areas of the business it's not because i am the most open person whether it's personal life or business or money or whatever but if i do dance around anything it's most likely to um respect the people who work for marie and their side of things so you would be open to saying just your own income without maybe you guys [Laughter] that's what we've been leading up to this entire time um we need a bit of click bait here that's all expenses or non-expenses what do you guys what are you looking for gross and then net and then network and then we want to see what's in your bank account yeah all your credit cards and your investments account we want to know where you're investing too and what what was your social security yeah social security number oh we'll get to all that um it's anywhere between like maybe 70k and 100k a month uh growth yeah right after expenses expenses are anywhere from about 35 to 45. and those expenses are so unheard of yeah that's really high but is it expenses it's got to be equipment it's got to be equipment i always want to pull up my spreadsheet yeah everything i spent because every month i'll sit down with my cpa and look at every expense i have maybe i should bring you into lesnar that's too high yeah you can really take a look what housing is probably six of that uh probably you're paying out a lot more with electricity depending on a lot of people hang out a lot of people there's editors there's the list goes on and on i will gladly go through my monthly expenses with you and then maybe after the video you can be like guys i approve you know what i have you know what this is horrible he is an idiot i have a feeling it's not frivolous i really i mean yeah he's going through every expense of this honestly honestly early on i i was i was stupid and i learned a lot from where i was overspending where i was under uh underspending but i feel like i've been doing it for so long i would be a complete idiot if i was still doing it poorly yeah at this point in time i don't think you are yeah just knowing you what do you know about the only the only thing the only thing that uh i've seen you going out to clubs now oh my gosh i've seen like i said we're gonna be getting some juice yeah we're talking a lot about money right now yeah but there's going to be some a lot of personal well you go for it you know what you've been you've been this entire time you've been wanting to you you've been hinting at it what's the juice the entire spill the tea you want to know the juice okay fine every minute you're like we're gonna get to the juice so boring autobiography i listen i like the boy being a gamer while i was i like that i like that how old are you i'm 27. i just recently turned 25. okay 25. yep so we're like the same age heck you nice let's go to the clubs let's do it yeah i'd love to 25 is too old for the class is it really no no but um growing up the whole now that you guys know my backstory this is actually really nice that we can it's not like out of the blue uh putting 12 14 hour days in every single day including weekends i'm basically 19 years old right now i'm basically a fetus coming out of the womb currently so there's still so much that i'm now learning in the personal side of things yeah that's not play 12 hours a day watch video invest yeah invest your money live like a robot you know what i mean it's very got it yeah i could see that because you're basically fermenting yeah you went in hibernation basically yeah yeah yeah well i think 25 is still young i mean and i think just like recently just now recently i've noticed um i actually broke up with my ex about maybe like a year ago i don't really know the exact timeline uh because things were going well the relationship was it was going well and whatnot but you wanted to spread your wings spread my wings start new business adventures that don't really promote a healthy relationship yeah and basically wait wait wait what do you mean you guys are starting to find some juice going on here oh this is the juice i think i know what it is i'm this guy's trying to dive into it right now you broke up with your girlfriend even though the relationship was going well yes i think that's a personal growth thing honestly i because i think once you once you take that leap of faith you're all in on everything you know that's actually i like messing with you at the time you're like hey man if you ever need anything like reach out i thought that was super awesome we didn't have like a crazy friendship relationship at the time but you were like hey man if you ever need anything like i'm in vegas i got you you know i thought that was super cool what what did i respond to with that really we'll bust it out right now we can pull up some dm's get some screenshots boom it's up right now graham's a super wholesome guy believe it or not i try to be throwing out a hand when there's no value for him to gain you know what i mean i try to be i i always act like the algorithm is watching that's my moral compass it's like what's what's the algorithm going to do well i'm glad i did that but you know i honestly i think uh probably you know i don't know the intricate details of your relationship i think it's probably the right choice yeah i think uh i think we're about to have a dinner some weekend and i was like listen graham things aren't going so hard now you're man i remember yeah and then we canceled our dinner because yeah the double date was now it was about to be meet third wheeling right yeah are you with a new girl currently uh it's complicated that i'm assuming you probably won't that's the chance no i am completely open is that the girl that you were just talking to yeah why is it complicated okay oh boy let me drink it i think i think i'm gonna i don't want to say it i want you to say it okay i want to guess like i said i am i am very open let me readjust my position you've changed i i listen yeah because when i when i met you two i think it was like two years ago give or take about two years ago i remember you just being like so into the business oh gaming and it was just like your entire life was gaming and we met at a sushi place and you're like right back to gaming and you gave us like these really cool hoodies so i have this back then we can refer to the timeline it was like a random thing i had in la i was at my dad's house i was watching graham at the time 200k subscribers i'm like hey graham i'm in la you want to get dinner instantly says yes i'm like i remember it that was easy this was this was big for me because this is like just as my youtube channel was taking off and i think you were trying to message me get to know people that were also doing something similar yeah yeah you messaged me i was like whoa this is crazy and you're like you tell you tell the story i'll never forget this um basically uh i was on a business trip that everything was paid for so i was like graham pick the nicest place in l.a we're going right now he's like are you sure they're going to pay this amount of money if we go to dinner i'm like yeah let's do it and then that's where we first met in person i was i by the way i was like are you sure are you sure i feel bad even during the dinner i'm like you see that steak that's the one i'm getting you're like why are you doing that i'm like waku i'm like graham it's funny it was a one wagoo at mastros that was like two hundred dollars no like a little tiny bit and i think we got a few ounces of it like enough where everybody got a bite have you ever heard of hearthstone it's a popular video game they make oh hearthstone yeah of course dude i played that they paid for that wagyu steak no way blizzard yeah yeah oh my gosh yeah yeah we got oh i remember then we got the lobster mac and cheese we went a little crazy we went nuts it was it was like about six hundred dollars yeah and i think didn't didn't we get uh did we get something to drink there because usually i never drink but this would have been one of the few times where i would have gotten drinking i'm pretty sure we didn't know i i didn't drink much got it okay now back then now i'm on a five-week bender going strong now the juice is coming out listen graham okay let's get into what's gonna happen okay graham you're gonna absolutely love my old self all right you're gonna love it i don't worry i still have a part of me inside you i'd still like to be a financial you're inside graham now you're gonna start liking the new side yeah all right coming inside me yeah dude all right let's see inside you now let's go i've been around the block let's let's hear it let's hear it oh boy okay so where do we begin i'm talking about okay we can get into a lot of a lot of stuff right now so either i can poke at some things or you guys don't ask a question i like open as you want i like the fact that you said you feel like you're 19 emotionally yeah not like maturity wise because you're clearly more mature than that i think but you said emotionally 19. so i don't i think socially socially 19 because you haven't had those college experiences yeah so you've missed out on all of that but now but here's the problem you're going into that now with money in a business you got a lot more to lose i think some 19 year olds having money can help accelerate your growth very fast or it could or it's here's the thing having money is like driving a lambo at 16. like yeah you could go faster but like gosh you could you go out of control so fast yeah yeah yeah so in two months i could be bankrupt and asking this i don't think you're listening i don't think you're going to be bankrupt but uh anyway let's share it let's see if it could happen you know okay so you're the voice of reading you broke up with this girl that it was going perfectly fine with yeah and then you decided to focus on your business and everything or personally i broke up because um i still to this day have not had like a one-night stand and i feel like uh now we can get into like a bucket list thing of random things that i feel like i need to do to experience life at its fullest but i'd say that probably the biggest reason was to start a business where i promote um females to grow on social media i knew it i knew it i literally i knew it it's pretty awesome so you do only fans production uh that's one way to put it yet yeah well you know what i mean it was so funny i'm not going to mention names but there's somebody else who has the exact same story as you yeah really literally the exact are you oh you know what i'm talking about yeah i know you're talking yeah which is crazy because you guys are both about the same age maybe i don't know what what field is or am i poking at me too much i'm not going to reveal anything after this okay but uh literally the exact same perfectly perfectly like normal you know great relationship great guy uh yeah great relationship great everything stand up guy honestly uh got into that business too just on the side yeah it's disgusting pools wait what's disgusting man tread lightly it's uh it's definitely lucrative but yeah something that i like even more than the money is doing youtube um before it was kind of like same thing different day and it came into a rut of like i i'm genuinely just not challenging myself yeah whether it's business whether it's personal and like the money was great and obviously i watched your videos and i know if i buy a bunch of real estate and live off passive income that's can you cuss on here preferably not effing amazing okay sure if you do alex would leap it out gotcha you could let you could let one slip but uh yeah so uh i knew that um being as lucky as i am to be in a situation to work my absolute booty off and take advantage of the situation because high views are not going to be there forever you know like i think even now they're definitely not at what they once were but it's nice that i can finally feel it was actually the first rental passive income uh amount of money i had come into my bank was like wow i didn't work for that like i think that was one thing recently that has changed my outlook on um just how i view life now okay and sorry what was the question i'm starting to ramble a bit the juice what's going on um okay so um so you wanted to try something new to reinvigorate like your excitement right yeah so um i knew now be the time to start this only fans business and now would be the only time to take advantage of the situation while you're no yeah did you did you try to keep the relationship with your girlfriend or was it like i know it's not going to work i want to do all these things let's end it now it was pretty much i knew it wasn't going to work she wouldn't have supported that yeah and like we talked about this we were completely opening the whole situation and kind of just understood that uh she wanted to get more serious more sooner than i wanted to and um i was not ready to get any serious any time soon so kind of paths go in different ways is what it is we it was funny on our breakup it was like she called her parents and was like hey um yeah like we broke up and like i i knew them really well and everything was great and they were like oh my gosh i'm sorry to hear this like when should i come out and get you she was like oh maybe like two or three weeks doesn't really matter and it's like after a breakup that's not like a thing you know you don't just it's very amicable and yeah yeah yeah so um i thought that was pretty funny um fast forward a bit started this business and then uh like i said i've learned probably more in the past like four or five months of my life doing this project than i have in the past three to four years doing the same thing different day what have you learned oh boy i'm still learning so i could be wrong what exactly are you doing yeah what are you doing and what do you like do you have like a warehouse or where you like have sets and stuff uh that's the plan it's all funneling money into growing this whole thing whether it's like new sets for shoots or going on trips to make better videos or whatnot but essentially it's make gaming videos with females that help i honestly think there's so many hot girls on the internet these days where you now need a reason to subscribe to someone and give them money to support them like you can find a hot girl anywhere now you know you go on instagram boobs everywhere but if you can see someone's personality through long-form content whether it's a podcast or a youtube video or whatnot you'll fall in love with that person and then want to see more of that first [Music] more of their personalities all right listen it's always good it's a business it's a business i'm i'm all for business it's a free enterprise i'm all for sure listen as long as as long as everyone's happy i'm all for it but i don't even know if i'm cutting any of this out of the video or not this is great now i love that oh boy okay so are you making more money doing that than you are from youtube or um it's still it's still pretty new like i said i'm not even looking only towards the money side of things i'm actually risking a lot of the money that i'm making currently by doing such provocative content and i'm sure it's not algorithm friendly but right i'm very big on uh i i like where this is going and i feel like i'm learning a lot i don't think i'm in a situation where i have fu money and i can literally say fu to everyone and do my own thing but i am starting to put higher value on personal growth over over money so a lot of my viewers right now be like funny you're an idiot what are you doing this is not the type of stuff you want to see but it's it's a path i genuinely enjoy going down and it's what i want to do you mean the path like like your viewers are you promoting these women on your channel yeah so you're are you having them like play with you or something maybe play with me slippery slope man it's very very slow like i said in two months i should i i might show up here asking to step on your couch will you let me hey look man i'm gonna buy i'm gonna buy a place soon listen you're welcome to stay listen i'll charge you a good price for rent don't worry i'll be cheaper oh man okay it's uh oh yeah keep going keep going good okay it's cool oh boy um ask me something specific so you you broke up with this girl now you're not appearing in this of content are you i'm not no no i'm not in it i'm just making youtube videos so so basically you make a youtube video with a girl oh and see and then promote them on your channel to their yeah it's kind of just like tick tock in a sense you know what man i would i would have created a second channel honestly i would have kept exactly what you have going is good it would be good to delay sure it's like it it might be repetitive to you but it still works maybe switch things up a little bit but but the like double down a work like i know you go nuts double down on work but do that on a second channel with i respect that approach it's honestly probably the smarter approach but but this is fun this jack you're like god dude and it's cool yeah i am a fetus i need to make mistakes okay i need to learn i don't need to make mistakes here's the thing here's the thing how do you learn graham no it's not you read a book i don't think it's like there there are things out there that you don't need to make you tell me to jump off a cliff right now i'm gonna jump off and be like oh i broke my legs i i'm happy i did that won't do it again yeah yeah learn i just think there are things out there that yeah you got to experience it's a blessing in disguise that i can literally only learn from experience and it's going to shoot me the foot many times but i think as time goes on i'm going to be able to grow at a pretty fast rate where i'll be happy with where i am eventually it's kind of like rice gum too like doesn't rice gum do the same thing uh yeah i don't know too much about him but i know he's all into that kind of he does a lot of he like he brings women onto his channel and they usually have some sort what i've heard yeah i think i'm taking more of like a business approach to things because i really do like um you know what but but here's the problem at least and i'll be honest it seems like a marketing approach but basically like you have a hamburger for sale you're like well let's just put a hamburger like this and then that's it or like oh we have this this uh brand new coffee let's just do a coffee like this you know it's uh i think there's maybe more substance you know like what you mean substance substance like more depth more like to this business you want to go here graham wants to go deeper that's why like i said graham i am going to be so open i am so outside my comfort zone right yeah my content is right playing video games having a good time talking about the game not my personal life giving autobiography so you you take a cut from these women uh like is this per sign up or is this just in total revenue that they generate on there so the reason why i've said i've learned so much we are getting so personal this is good guys this is the juice i think i think uh some a reason why i can get so personal with these guys is because i don't know what it is but when you watch a youtuber and you see them in person you feel like you're instantly friends you know it's it's it's pretty cool how it works yeah so opening up here yeah i agree when we met instantly friends exactly yeah but in front of a camera this is different story this is outside the comfort zone this is new terrace just forget they're not even there they're not even you're not even watching this dropping right now the last thing i'm looking for is a relationship i think we would make videos together i think we'd make a lot of money and might randomly get drunk and have sex if we want to you know i mean like who knows what it could turn into and now we ended up liking each other and then there's so much and you're right back where you started and now you got to end it again because you want your freedom you know what just happened why i did that about two weeks ago three weeks ago see i could call this stuff you've been around the block listen i'm learning all right fist bumps you guys learning yeah i don't know but i felt myself getting back into that rut because it was too soon it was too soon and i never experienced the things that i want to experience as shallow and stupid as they are honestly but i i feel like they're yeah the the problem though i mean it's it's not bad it's like it's stroking an ego thing of just being like i could do this like i missed out on this look at me now it's similar to okay but it's along the lines of like i have this opportunity that many people don't yeah i should probably take it and see if i like it you know what i mean so there was this girl and you were planning on bringing her onto the channel promoting her only fence maybe working together doing some business you guys ended up liking each other started a relationship two weeks ago you guys not relationship but we definitely yeah there's something like that it's getting it's going a little bit more than business the tide is and you're like wait a second we're going to offshore and then and then you guys broke things off two weeks ago because you had that hunger again uh not the hunger i think i just uh after my uh other relationship ended because things were great but i wanted to experience things i noticed myself coming back into that rut old habits die hard old habits so i was like listen i've been down this path learning from experience uh let's not go down that road again and uh i guess we both agreed on that and now oh boy just keep asking questions i feel like it's good you got to keep your life dynamic that's what it is right like you got to keep things spicy keep things moving alone i'm worried i i'm just i'm i'm thinking if there's a way to sustain that you're going to be very worried about that a lot of the things we're going to be talking about but the juice it's coming did you the juice is coming you're going to be like very worried graham i'm going to just pause you and give you a little heart attack all right i spent seven grand on bottle service no three weeks ago i don't like this direction man puke on the ground jack it worries me i don't like this direction trash bag for graham about what he's about to hear this isn't i don't i don't like graham again sorry jack i think there's there's a way to satisfy all of these urges and without who's gonna buy the bottle service if he doesn't somebody else somebody else he's 25 25 25 he's 25 he's making a lot of money he worked extremely hard he's not doing anything extremely irresponsible i need to experience life dude sure it's like seven thousand is is golden egg he's got i don't know if you have you have four investment properties could they cash flow like about to be six if worse comes to worse youtube says boom you're gone every sponsor boom you're gone i i could live off of maybe like i would have about maybe six seven grand a passive income a month maybe but i'm staying but i'm saying there's a way to still satisfy everything without how great you're telling me i'm allowing all yours right now i i might not listen to your advice but i'll take it i don't think i don't think you would listen to my advice i probably won't you're not gonna say this like i feel like it's it's pointless what i would have done you keep the golden egg going you got it you got a channel that when i when i saw that was i know i took it so good but it was fair it was g-rated pg-rated there's ways to expand on that bringing other people within the job but keep it in that same lane and then you could do whatever you want on the side but you keep up that ground let's be honest i'll be honest right now the lane was getting kind of boring though what the lane was getting kind of boring he wasn't enjoying life man i think that's but that's what i'm saying you could still keep your lane but enjoy life everywhere else but it's a pretty boring lane and that's honestly what i did for six years straight i mean i enjoyed it a lot and it just got to a point where recording turned into work and not what i enjoy and now if i make a video with this only fans girl it's the most fun s word ever it is amazing and it's still a business it's not like still a business it's not like he's his golden egg just to start up like a brown egg you know like like he's not like giving this up to get like my worry is that uh you have i don't know what your competitive advantage is in this if if you're bringing someone on your channel uh-huh why are you different than the hundred of other people doing the exact same thing i think uh it's pretty unique because solo making content it's fun i can talk about the game whoa it's great going on right i think i do a good job of highlighting the other people i bring on content-wise so let's say you're a very attractive female in a bikini right now right nice you want to go change right now we can make it a little more realistic you could just put it like a cgi something all right but uh while we're playing you suck at the game i can be like listen graham you suck at this game and then i can hear out your response it'll probably be pretty freaking funny i think the content um that i make is honestly i i really enjoy it now it got to a point where i stopped watching my normal videos but like these videos i'm like yo editor they're funny when's that done i'm like i want to watch it myself you know yeah and i think that's part of a content creator where like you can't just go down the same lane over and over how do you know it's like sponsors yeah how do sponsors like that oh it's it's yeah they're they're not the biggest fans here's the thing so you're saying it's lucrative it's this and that but there is an opportunity cost so oh they're doing that you're giving up everything over here that that you're going to do you're going to puke all right how about this instead of us asking you i want you to tell me the juice let's finally get the juice out there the worst case scenario could involve me losing above 50 grand a month very easily i don't listen your worst case scenario as long as you don't get addicted to like to drugs i think it's very minimal i agree honestly i mean i i know already you're not going to lose all your money you're a smart guy yeah yeah yeah yeah you're not going to use your mind i following worth the worst case i'll tell you the worst case is you you waste a whole bunch of money and your business suffers all your entire business suffers that's probably the worst case scenario it's nothing you can't ever recover from but it's like is it worth the risk you know what's the reward what's the risk is it worth that is that balance out uh but that's the worst case i don't really see but again like obviously i i you i would never assume that you would ever go like down that path of like crazy hard stuff the whole drugs um oh boy but then again it is vegas you never know anymore if i start going off that deep end you guys can be like hey let's let's let's get some dinner down get sushi but no tell us tell us the juice i want to hear the juice um yeah i think it just comes down to um like i said i've learned more in the last four months what have i learned in the past three years later [Music] i think i think a lot of it well i learned bottle service wasn't worth it [Laughter] so you know what okay so i'll be honest i got a lot of those experiences out of the way did you really i was everything oh it's free okay yeah yeah oh yeah yeah so jason gosh like sometimes you don't realize like how good you have it in the moment until you know i i it wasn't my favorite thing to do but like almost every week he would go and get bottle service uh at i think it was like hyde or their this place in la that was good spots in la but he would always get in because he just knew everybody so many people so here's the thing so i i don't think i've ever seen him like and maybe he did and i just wasn't aware of it but most of the time it's like we'll just call his buddy and he'll be like hey uh it's the nine of us can we get in at 10 30. sure we'll get you a table and then it's walking right in yeah literally walking right into the front there's a table there everything is is there and uh so i mean but i never enjoyed it like i i just i hated i hated loud music i hated crowds and i'm just i i don't dance i i don't like yeah i really don't you do i don't want to like it do you like it i'm trying to i'm on a week five bender right now wait are you actually on a week five bender or was it i i've i feel like i live in the airport right now yeah wow see i wonder if this is a question yeah what does a week five bender mean let's go out all night i've been getting completely wasted the last five weekends that's dangerous man every weekend just not during the week yeah i i i don't think oh monday through thursday i've before my schedule oh my gosh you guys it's probably similar to some crazy schedule you guys have but it was seven days a week twelve hours that you guys already know that but i've consent i've condensed it down to extremely efficient work days monday through thursday and i've dedicated this friday saturday sunday to um letting loose how much have you spent on alcohol tickets and stuff like that in the past month uh month it's it's probably like a couple thousand but it's like buying alcohol for people coming over it's just i'm finally spending money on experiences when that's something that was unheard of me watching graham four years ago i know building up allstate the problem is most people are doing this in college on a budget they're doing the same thing with 20 bucks you know every weekend yeah but you're just doing a bigger scale the perks of this are i think you can learn what you want to do faster what are you learning what's what do you learn from a from a five-week bender that i'm missing what is this you know those experiences you had where you're like oh it's 11 pm i don't really want to go out anymore it's like my 11 pm is gonna hit and it's like i'm gonna figure out if i want to go out more you know what i mean so i think i'm just so new to all of this that i'm just soaking it in it's hard to say that i've like learned a lot already but i'm very uh dude you learn by trying new things exactly you learn what you want you learn what you don't want and i notice i actually work a lot better if i take a weekend and go see my family and chill out for a little bit like then i'm so excited to come back and get working and all of that stuff that's how most people work if i continue and i grind every single day for like months it just it kills me you know like i hated it for me it's the opposite it's so weird if i take a day off i think a lot of people aren't off it throws me off it gets me excited to come back to work and i i was exactly like you that's why i think i resonated with your videos so hard exactly like you for the first six years because i didn't really see the outside world i guess is the right way to put it sounds like i'm some philological some i don't know but i feel like i wasn't experienced i wasn't exposed to much the point where i didn't really have like a purpose i guess so and i loved what i do so i just threw everything i had into it and loved grinding like i don't think i was i didn't want to take days off either i was very like graham in this scenario but recently it was after um the girl that i was starting to get really serious with where i was like whoa going down the same path she hit me with the question of like okay well if you're not ready now when will you be ready i don't know don't know yeah and i was like i thought to myself i'm like at the rate that i have been going at where i've just been grinding and putting everything into work i was like i don't know when i would be ready that's fair and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be 45 years old and miserable why would you be miserable because you know life experiences no life experiences threw everything into work sure didn't know what i wanted yeah didn't take any personal time to figure out what i wanted and so yeah i'm just a believer that you could still figure out all that stuff without kind of throwing it all under the grenade you know that's that's that's what i think i agree i'm risking the golden egg yeah i can agree with that yeah and i can agree what i'm doing is is risky yeah it is a trade-off i think it's smart because at the end of it all like what is life really about you know like work [Laughter] um it was i think uh logan paul who said it he was he moved to puerto rico he was like everyone here is a dick but i don't actually think they're a dick i just don't think they're trying to impress people yeah i think you're very confident in yourself to the point where let's say let's say my hand's right here and you don't like that my hand's here yeah you'll be like hey get your f in hand out of the way you won't say that yeah you're like hey you mind moving your hand and i'll be like sure that's fine but a lot of people aren't confident enough to say what they want graham is very very very much himself very very likely so much himself yeah would you agree with that sentiment yeah you've told me to be less of myself because apparently sometimes i'm a little standoffish i think it's good yeah to me it's just i like i just like don't fake it no he doesn't but but i like but he's thinking a lot you know he does think a lot but there are times where like we've had guests come over for the podcast this has happened more than once no he's not he's not a d word to them but like he definitely is not sensitive and he's not like catering you know what i mean like if you have someone that's flying in it's like you're like yo let me pick you up right now let me take care of this podcast i was like sitting on my phone a little in the corner he's like hey sit down we're starting i was like a lot of people aren't assertive like that i know but it does scare off a lot of people because some people don't understand that he has no like bad intent with that like he means no nothing but good but for people that don't know graham and they're flying all the way over here from across the country you know i like to come on a podcast ram says hey sit down right now like i stand for the podcast i've been pulled over more than one time by by someone saying i don't think graham likes me and they're sad i would not be surprised if a lot of people told him that exactly and i i literally went to graham and i said dude you have to be nicer like you have to be like engaging no no no no no no i'm just saying at least for the beginning because if our guest is uncomfortable the conversation's not going to be good and i like having good conversation and meeting these people and now go on my side of the story i've been working on i i get no time to myself like not even like 20 minutes so sometimes when the guests come in there's like 20 minutes where we're all kind of getting ready i just need some time just to zone out for a little bit i don't have any time to zone out and it's usually me in front of my phone looking at the fish tank that's usually what it is or just zoning out just sitting down relaxing that's all i need but that's not the best problem and by you not taking a break earlier from work and not paying attention to the guests that's kind of on you all right alex especially if they come graham greets them one real like one quick second and they they made so much trouble just to come here yeah and graham's just like working on his equipment which is great it needs to be worked on it's just learning something i'm learning that's fine uh i know you've been asking me what i've been learning through this five-week bender i think uh i'm a very selfish person but i feel like that stems from valuing my time and if i don't see my time being valued it's like i just don't want to be a part of it and i'm not gonna like the whole puerto rico example everyone in puerto rico probably so well off that they can act exactly how they want i think you're in a similar boat to where you're not faking being nice and you're not purposely trying to be an a hole you know what i mean so i think uh a lot of confident people in themself like yeah yeah they're nice people but they're not gonna fake uh fake anything you know what i mean sure and i think uh i'm trying to figure out if i'm like genuinely a selfish douchebag or something but or i just genuinely value my time and i don't want to spend time with people that i don't want to spend time with you know it's so it's a hard balance all right so that's that's what you're learning through this is that's part of it there's a lot i think it's prioritizing yourself how's that that's that's a good way to put it yeah not being selfish just taking some you time oh boy okay so uh really like this girl maybe this is a good time to bring in the bucket list because i feel like do you have a bucket like one prepared i didn't really uh spend too much time on it but the last like three or four days i was like you know what effort i'm gonna make a bucket list i feel like that was one of the reasons why the whole i haven't experienced things that's why the past relationship kind of uh that was part of the reason why it ended so bucket list you wanna just jump into that let's do it yeah are you in this girl exclusive no [Music] this this is where it gets really confusing don't tell me we're not okay but work wise we didn't make it i'm telling you a lot right now this isn't work wise we didn't make it so if it's like a one-night stand that's totally fine but if it's like anything like that we're gonna be since we're working together so much that's trouble you should not be i i am mixing so much pleasure with work right now you are going to have a heart attack i know that's bad here's the thing you got and you got to be really careful with that too i'm just i'm just saying just in general because i was so mad i was so aware is that you and her as your wallpaper listen oh man listen i know you and her as your wallpaper this is going way too far man there's so many things are basically exclusively shut up you got to be careful if you're mixing out with work because you're such a guy i think i know that but you've got if you get but you got this here's the thing you got a mill like a multi-million dollar business you know and you're in you're putting all of that on the line i'm just saying all right bucket list graham i know it's a dumb idea you don't gotta say it twice all right so first of all i'll say it three times okay first one i have two bucket lists two categories one is before i get into before i get another serious girlfriend right because we saw it going down that path and we're like whoa pull it back i feel like there's still things in the experience and then there's no another bucket list things before life if you've made it to this point the video i'm so down i've actually struggled putting things on this bucket list because i don't know what else i should put on here so in the comments we're gonna bucket list give me like give me one give me five give me ten i am open to i'm open to possible bucket list ideas that i feel like i wanna experience that i like you know so i will be reading them furiously on things i should add to this list okay so i haven't spent too much time on this i'm sure i'll add more things but um which would you guys like first the before serious girlfriend or before serious girlfriend before life rip that's what i have down here before serious girlfriend you just love the girlfriend no i know are you emotional right now are you into a girl at all right now or no oh wow you know jack doesn't tell me anything anymore he clams up listen jack i am opening up so hard right here i know the co-host of this podcast doesn't join the guest on this level no but there there there are some serious uh consequences what oh because of no it's just it's just an issue because i i've spoke about some stuff before in the past and then and i just got are you rich are you whipped would you say or no absolutely not all right before a serious girlfriend okay uh one night stand i've never had a one-night stand before i feel like it's something that i should experience i mean a lot of people see it that way a lot of people don't a lot of people are like if she's the one she's the one a lot of people are like go be a whole face you know i mean yeah don't have a phase you know yeah sure um next one spend quality time with a bunch of uh people whether it's a dude or a girl and learn a lot about their life and be open to new ways of thinking so that's great i i like that one yeah whoa we got it and we're doing that right now so there you go check um go out to enough bars slash clubs to feel like i'm at the point where i can walk away from them forever and feel not the need that i have to do it again because i feel like if you're like oh i kind of like that club face but now i'm locked up with a girl uh it kind of yeah again so being okay to walk away from that feels kind of cool you know i think that's a good feeling can you give me a thumbs up on that one too uh yeah i mean i i mean that was the most half i'm going to elaborate on it we're here to learn i'm sure some people got to have an open mind man he doesn't want to pass away having any regrets you know yeah i don't think it needs to be all or nothing i don't think you need to walk away from that i think you could still be in a relationship but go out to bars and clubs and enjoy that i don't think yeah i guess i guess more in the terms of like i'm looking to get laid tonight yeah and like uh not like a oh let me experience this with my significant other okay can you agree with that now sure all right yeah it's good that we elaborate we're very different we get a lot of uh we got opposites on the different viewpoints on graham that's fine it's fine uh last one actually is um post the uh like a dan bilzerian lifestyle on instagram to see if i like it i think a lot of people don't have that opportunity to i think it's a new experience that a lot of people don't have the chance to experience but maybe it's something i like i know it's like a really shallow like yeah d-bag kind of thing but who knows maybe i really like it and i want to experience it more you know is do you like that or do you like would it be the validation of that um i think that's all something i just want to like figure out okay i think like i said graham i'm a fetus right now we're we're learning a lot right but here's the thing like if if if this were like and i i don't mean for this to sound like disrespectful no no like i totally understand what i'm saying makes me look great if you if if you were 17 and you came in and said all of this yeah i would not like even question at all seriously would you jack i would just be like yeah that's like that's like every other way it's like everything like 17 years i'm 17. that's what you have to think about i know i the golden egg my 12 14 hours a day was given to work so hard i know i know but i guess my problem is that you're you're 17 but i'm raising millions yes yes but here's the thing graham it's like look i i don't necessarily agree with like that's not something i would want for myself what you just said like all five or which one a few of them my worry is that i've seen so many not so many people but i've probably seen it one to two dozen people go down the same path the exact same thing and um i've never really seen it end up like it was i guess everyone learns something right so it's like it's never like something life altering forever but i've never seen like a really good outcome really no no um the only ones i've seen i've seen just in and not in youtube but like a few um just people that have come across and like with real estate who somehow could balance like that sort of lifestyle with just a crazy hard work ethic and it blows my mind how they're able to be up until like 4 00 a.m multiple nights in a row be at the office or just like you know work at eight and just be so product like be the best at what they do yeah i'm not talking about like you know agents necessarily but like also just clients but the one thing i've noticed with them is that they were always like that like they they somehow maintained that while they're building it but it wasn't like you're building a business and they went you know crazy i think they were it was always like the part where you can respect was or is the fact that uh i watched um a lot of people hate this guy dan blizzarian yeah he went on joe rogan's podcast a lot of people hate him a lot of people uh don't care for him whatever but he obviously lives the lifestyle he lives and uh something he said was if you want a certain lifestyle just create a business around it and that's totally true and i think that's where this whole only fan's business came into play because my work turned into playing video games and getting naked and i was like that was that was pretty fun you know so i'm essentially creating a business around something that i want to try right and it's extremely fun very lucrative it reminds you know what it reminds me of um notch i don't know what that is notch from minecraft oh which one's not i played a lot of money he's a creator creator of minecraft oh cool cool he sold minecraft what was like a billion dollars yeah and he was in his thirties and here was a guy who created a business sold it off i think towards the tail end sold off too early uh no not necessarily but um he he just he decided it was time to sell i think he had lost a passion in that it wasn't quite the same it had evolved i think a little bit too much beyond him he didn't feel like he was a part of the game anymore sold it a billion dollars and here he was at like 35 years old a billion dollars in cash in the bank yeah all the free time in the world and nothing to uh nothing to work on and he hosted these massive parties in truesdale in beverly hills massive and i remember for a few years i've never been to one of this part i've that was one of the few things i would love to have been invited but like i didn't even know anybody uh who was going to notch his parties but you would hear these stories of just like going to notches and it was like every day and weekends would be like thursday through monday thursday through sunday like every night just party at natchez house um and then the guy had like a breakdown unfortunately on twitter where he just like just went off the deep end i don't know where what what his status is now so the more stories you're thinking i'm gonna go off the deep end i don't want you to i don't think you would i really don't think you would but um i feel like a lot of stuff i'm saying is very stupid and i i realize that you're extremely self-aware really yeah extremely self-aware i doubt that notch would have that that same idea knowing the the the possible like implications of of his actions by throwing these massive ragers all of the time i don't know i don't know you know what i guess my thing is i've seen i've seen it too many times to see that like you know if you're betting in vegas what are the odds this this works out great in your favor not as good as what like you would usually like and listen and the only reason i care is because you've built up such like a strong community and business yeah um now that i'm missing it scares you yeah it does it makes me really anxious because it's like you could spend six years building it up and then like a week just kind of like it's kind of crazy that's how you bring it down yeah and i don't think you would like hopefully like never say anything bad or like something comes out and then like you know i guess that could happen even when you are working diligently but um yeah i think i think my thing is the fact that i'm learning so much about like what makes me happy outside of work sure is where i can justify the risk levels that i'm taking what are the other what are the other uh goals the rest of the bucket list so you guys we're good on the whole before serious girlfriend one yeah all right these are more uh tame go skydiving boom buy a tesla model x a roadster if i like it um eventually not work anymore if i don't want to and live off a passive income at the lifestyle that i want um so you can respect that one sure i haven't fist bumped you all day here we go um travel to 20 plus countries if i do like traveling then go to 50 plus um try the best food places in the world uh travel somewhere completely alone join the mile high club in a private jet uh see the northern lights go diving with sharks float the dead sea get a shredded six-pack uh skinny dip in a waterfall slash pond area i'll do a couple of those with you did you just ask me to get naked in a waterfall dude fist pump no i said i'll do a couple of those with you yeah [Laughter] no i mean i would be down to exploring some of those things as long as he doesn't have to pay for the private jet so all right i asked my question to you that was gonna make macy kill me was do you feel like you're ready to get married i'm getting there uh what's stopping you well i mean both my parents were divorced my sister went through divorce as well so i'm just more cautious about it and uh i believe that like if we have the rest of our lives to spend with each other then it shouldn't necessarily be a rush and i really want it to be something where like it just it happens it just it just i wanted to happen organically i really wanted to feel like now is the right time it's just it falls into place it feels like the like i guess so i've i've always done things where it's just like it's just everything is always lined up in the way that it should be and there are so many things for whatever happens is meant to happen kind of thing yeah and um like uh just like just a few like silly examples but like youtube like i've wanted to do youtube since i was 20 years old and i put it off for six years seven years like after really wanting to do it and it just i wish i could have gone back sooner and like done it sooner but like i'm thankful i didn't because it started at the right time it was supposed to uh same with the aquarium i've been telling myself since i was like 21 i was i'm gonna get an aquarium and um i've kept putting it off and i'm glad i did because now i really got the one that i wanted same with the piano i've i've wanted a grand piano never had the space for it a lot of things that you've always wanted yeah random questions yes right well let me finish um and uh so i know marriage too it's it's just it's gonna happen when it's the right time and uh so i've just always gone with my intuition it's just if it feels right in that moment and it happens organically i'm all for it i like that yeah i like that uh are you a believer in you get into a relationship once you get into a relationship you change together or do you think it could like drift apart and things just don't work or you have gosh i mean it depends on the people yeah um i i think certainly certain relationships we've we've drifted apart and uh with macy's so far we've we've kept pretty similar she's been really accommodating the the most difficult part i would say especially in the beginning was my work schedule was like oh that was a hard one grinding relentless that's a hard so to take that into consideration with another person that i can't just be working you know 15 hours a day and then that last little hour is like all right here we go so i think you definitely can grow with somebody but i also think that uh you know other people just it just happens this is a random question for you graham but what's the definition of net worth is it like let's say you own assets minus liabilities but if you have a mortgage let's say your minus a million dollar house minus that yeah so a million dollar house seven hundred thousand dollar mortgage 300 grand of equity okay cool all right that's like assets yeah that was a random question how about what's your net worth uh a little over a million and we could get that higher man we could get that high listen no no high fives until three he's a millionaire how are three 25 graham you were a millionaire by what 26. what would you look at that what happened there buddy still thinks you're not doing well enough oh my gosh i didn't i didn't listen i didn't have a business as big as yours be happy for but like you see the potential and you're like you you wanna it is good but your advice won't help look i agree i think advice is only really helpful though when you don't tell the person to completely change what they want to do it's like you have to accommodate them it's like he's steering himself kind of in the direction that maybe we can all agree on is the greatest look i know you don't want to endorse it but if you say dude you have to pull a complete 180. it's like no he like at least but it's not going to help him in the long run you can't you got to say like i only learn from experiences you can't really say the poll the 180 you know it's like it's okay to continue doing what you're doing but maybe you could say look maybe just separate the business you could still go get bottle service you could still do that but maybe separate your gold or you could say or you could say continue doing what you're doing but maybe stuff here like moderation man no advice isn't helpful when you tell them to change they're not to date the people he's working with i think that's great to not do a lot of stuff this entire possible stuff it is reasonable style but you said to yourself it's reasonable it is of course it's reasonable it's a good it's good it's great advice but it's not going to be helpful to me exactly exactly but so if he's not going to listen to you then what is the point in giving the 180 advice if he's not going to listen if it's honest advice i will take it into consideration i probably won't agree with it i probably won't do it right i respect his opinion so i'll definitely take it into account that's all i could ask for and i respect he's giving me his honest opinion and be like listen you're a stupid 25 year old have fun you know i respect that yeah the other alternative is like i'm like yeah you go for it yeah you figure out what you want this is awesome i'm gonna be i'm gonna be honest you know but i told it from the very beginning i mentioned you know it doesn't matter what i say you're gonna do your thing but i think it's pretty clear the the work dating thing yeah i would as at the soonest possible juncture sever that and just keep it separate this just snip that yeah snip it it's just honestly it hasn't fallen on my face yet and i feel like yeah yeah i know it's probably it probably will but i'm learning so much in this process that it's pretty amazing yeah you said that quite a few times what it means guys i'm gonna come back in a year or two from now and you're going to be a genius man big brain massive brandon you're going to be in massachusetts i'm learning so much i came up a 53-week vendor [Music] you guys are funny oh my god all right um what do you what do you think graham could be doing better yeah i feel like we always bring our guests on and graham always basically just destroys our guests for an hour and a half and somehow they have a good time and coming back and they keep going back but this time i would love for you to criticize both graham and i and say maybe what we could be doing back first i feel like jack first and do it way harder and they're just one friend what a polite one i feel like this is gonna be an answer that it's probably gonna be a boring answer i i would would want you guys to take a second to really think about this to see if you can give something that's not just a cookie cutter response um for you what's something that you feel like you're going to be doing recently i feel like you and i are in a similar situation that you know is going to be completely stupid where graham's going to give you the same response of hey you're an idiot like you shouldn't do that but it's like hey it's something i want to try something that i want to do that's not productive it's dumb but i just it could be productive it could be the most risky business ever you know i mean it's just something that like you know is probably stupid that most people would be like hey you know what you probably shouldn't something risky that i want to do this is tough speaking stupid it could be anything i'm just going to say this because i figure that this person won't care so it revolves actually around a really really good friend of mine okay and when i do buy a house i actually want to rent a room to them but this friend that i have is like very hyper very just like like ocd like in their own in their own i don't know in their own head all the time uh and we like bicker a lot like we've gotten in fights but but we also have like a relationship that's so crazy like when we get together we are so productive like like first we're the reason why is because we're both very competitive and we want to always be better than the other person whether it be in exercising whether that be in working and and i feel like moving him in with me could either be so beneficial to even my business that i like that i have going on like so it's like a risky thing a risky thing but also just because like him and i have kind of like a unique history basically uh in our relationship and it could be very bad but it could also be extremely good so talking about alex no i'm not talking about i'm talking about a different person dang jack as weird as that answer is that's probably one of my biggest worries but also one thing i'm looking so much forward to yeah that's cool yeah grams definitely what do you got for me do you i feel like you're gonna give such a boring response he's gonna say he's buying some fish this weekend for this dad and that's something no monetary gain you've probably been asked this honestly but do you have do you have any regrets or yes i guess that's the main part of the question i i i know you're gonna say no just take a second do you feel like maybe you should have went out to one more of those parties no no no i don't go one of those parties or it could be you know what i probably wasted too much time when i was younger like just being self-conscious or like caring what people thought or uh or just being too nervous um there's certainly times where i did not go out let's say like uh like i was invited somewhere like this this would happen a lot like a client would invite me out and say like hey uh come over or i'm having some people over the house friday at 10 but i didn't know anybody and it was just me and i i didn't go to a lot of those because i was like that would be awkward if i show up and like i don't know anybody and i'm just standing there it would be easier just go to the gym instead so i look back at that i'm like it wouldn't have mattered i should have just done it stuff like that um could have probably been a lot more uh outgoing with stuff like that yeah i like that no that's my honest answer so what do you think we could be doing better graham i think you're first um i think you should i haven't watched much of the graham stef family channel but i think um opening up more maybe uh could help you in ways that you might not realize okay i like that yeah yeah um jack i think uh very nice guy you probably haven't been taken advantage of a lot in your life maybe you could be too nice to the wrong people and it could bite you in the ass there deep cool so how do you think this is going to end with me or you guys with you yeah yeah like you're doing all this crazy stuff what do you think's gonna what do you think's gonna end up happening it's an interesting question to turn the tides on me um with the whole mixing business and pleasure thing um i think i'm just i'm just learning and taking it day by day and like i said i feel like i've learned more in the past four months to not just focus on work i'm happy i did focus on work to create a nice golden egg to where i can build up a nice like portfolio of hey end of the day even if things go really badly i'll still pretty much be okay and now i can take more risks and not just trade time for money to um do things that i want to do i can actually just do things i want to do without having to essentially drain a bunch of hours into it but i guess you guys are probably wondering about the whole current situation i know recently we've uh the girl that i started liking a lot i didn't go down the same path of um getting together when i wasn't ready right so now that i think as shallow and stupid as these stupid bucket list things are i think i want to get them out of the way because i feel like i owe it to myself to experience all aspects because they're kind of hard to experience with said person i want to be with for the rest of my life so i think i'll experience the bucket list thing and then just continue to learn and go with the flow as time goes on okay well thank you so much that was a great answer for screaming going crazy just do me one favor oh gosh graham i'm going bankrupt and living on your couch that's the only favor i got don't screw it up nice meeting you oh my gosh thanks for watching wow i'm out of here that was definitely by far the most open i've ever been i did not think that would happen anytime soon but hopefully you guys don't want to completely obliterate me for being that open and honest but uh if you respect it and learn from something great if you hate me i'm sorry jack it was it was that was great another film that was awesome thank you later guys do whatever intro you want my name is bunny fufu welcome to the iced coffee just you got to say that again my name is bunny fufu