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In this episode of Impact Theory, Bedros Keuilian shares his extraordinary rags-to-riches journey from fleeing Soviet-controlled Armenia with just $200 in 1980 to becoming a twice Inc. 500 CEO and the founder of Fit Body Boot Camp. His early life was defined by extreme hardship, including moving fourteen times within two years, dumpster diving for food, washing his hair with gasoline to kill lice, and facing daily prejudice as an immigrant family struggling in poverty. Keuilian admits that these struggles initially pushed him down a dark path involving fighting, bullying others, and even participating in home invasions before being savagely beaten by gang members. This traumatic experience became the catalyst for turning his life around; he realized that karma demanded he use his anger and rage for good rather than evil, transforming what could have broken him into a powerful driving force for success. Keuilian introduces the concept of operating as a "fighter jet" versus a "crop duster," arguing that while society often encourages safety and mediocrity—effectively neutering people's natural hunger—the true path to greatness requires taking risks, embracing adversity, and channeling one's darkness into purposeful action. He explains that suffering acts as a supercharger for the human engine of ambition; by voluntarily stepping out of his comfort zone through challenges like running marathons or fighting professional MMA fighters despite fears, he developed mental toughness and resilience. This philosophy extends to his business model, which was designed specifically for those with no money or background knowledge, offering an affordable boot camp format that breaks myths about fitness while teaching entrepreneurs how to leverage their time rather than trading it directly for dollars. A pivotal moment in Keuilian's evolution occurred when he transitioned from being a mere "business owner" of gyms to becoming a true entrepreneur and leader after the economy crashed, forcing him to franchise his business model. He candidly describes a period of severe anxiety attacks, drug dependency on Adderall and Xanax, and passive-aggressive behavior toward employees who were underperforming because he lacked clarity of vision and communication skills. The turning point came during a family trip when bad news about a partner forced him to drive home in silence while telling himself it was "time to man up." This realization led him to stop making excuses, take full responsibility for his leadership failures, establish clear goals such as reaching 2,500 locations by 2023, and learn the critical skill of giving direct feedback without seeking approval. Throughout the interview, Keuilian emphasizes several key principles for success: avoiding "scarcity-minded" thinking in favor of an abundance mindset where competition is seen as a challenge to out-service rather than a threat; staying within one's zone of genius by outsourcing trivial tasks like payroll or taxes so that leaders can focus on the vital 5% of activities—delegate, motivate, and sell; and utilizing environmental exposure through high-level coaching circles to cultivate intensity. He also advises immigrants not to retreat into ethnic enclaves but to assimilate fully into American culture to access broader economic opportunities. His ultimate goal is to help people realize they are the authors of their own lives, urging them to strip away the "bubble wrap" and training wheels that society places on us so we can unleash our full potential in service of something greater than ourselves.
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More people should be hard on
themselves. We go around bubble wrapping
ourselves, right? We we leave the
training wheels on for too long. Like be
hard on yourself. Take the [ __ ]
bubble wrap off. Take the Take the
training wheels off. No one did that for
me, man. And we came to this country and
it was just like, "Hey, go figure it
out." But it was don't take risks to go
get a good job. [ __ ] that. Be a fighter
jet. Be a fighter jet. Go to battle
every day. Take risks. That's what a
fighter jet does. A crop duster has a
routine life and it's [ __ ] boring.
Everybody, welcome to Impact Theory. Our
goal with this show and company is to
introduce you to the people and ideas
that are going to help you actually
execute on your dreams. All right,
today's guest is an Inc. 500 CEO twice
over whose company made Entrepreneur
Magazine's list of the top 15
franchises. But that is all a very very
long way from where he started. His
family came to the US with $200 after
fleeing Soviet-controlled Armenia in
1980. Overnight, he went from having
caviar for breakfast to having to
dumpster dive to avoid going hungry. His
family risked everything to trade
comfort for freedom, something he's
grateful for today, but back then it
meant excruciating poverty. It meant
cramming an entire family of five into
someone's spare bedroom. It meant moving
14 times in his first 2 years in this
country alone. It meant washing his hair
with gasoline to kill lice and growing
up heavy-set because he couldn't afford
quality food. It also meant having to
build up from the absolute bottom in the
face of people who did not want him
here. Prejudice and bullying were near
daily occurrences that chipped away at
him, filling him with anger, and at
least initially sent him down a very bad
path. He was fighting a lot, being a
jerk, and at one point even being the
getaway driver in a home invasion that
ended in a police helicopter chase.
Can't believe that's true. Finally,
after getting jumped by more than a
dozen gang members and beaten savagely,
he decided he was going to turn his life
around. He He in shape, started personal
training, and decided he was going to
help people for a living.
Luckily, one of his clients, a
successful entrepreneur, taught him the
basics of sales, and that was all he
needed. In the years that followed, he
built a massive empire by delivering a
ton of value and charging a fair price
for it. Today, a true rags-to-riches
story, he is the CEO of Fit Body Boot
Camp, ranked number 350 on Entrepreneur
Magazine's list of the 500
fastest-growing franchises, earning
hundreds of millions of dollars in
revenue per year, and is considered the
fitness industry's most trusted advisor.
He hosts the biggest fitness business
seminar in the world and has been
featured in media outlets such as Inc.
Magazine, The Huffington Post, Dr. Oz,
and countless others. So, please help me
in welcoming the author of the book Man
Up, serial entrepreneur, speaker, and
business consultant, Bedros Keuilian.
Thank you for having me. Yeah, thanks
for being here, man.
So, your story is one of the most insane
I think I've ever heard in my life.
Sure.
So, how do you leverage the
bullies, the darkness, the prejudice,
all of that to do something powerful and
positive? You you do have to
embrace the darkness. You do have to
embrace the rage. Um
one thing that recently clicked for me,
about a year ago I read Tim Grover's
book,
uh Relentless, and
I think within the first
two or three chapters, Tim talks about
how
he was working with Dwyane Wade and
trying to get him to come back and be
better than ever,
and he said if if if he could just get
on that basketball court
and bring 48 minutes of controlled rage
to his opponents,
you're good. You're a winner. And um I
realized for the last 20 years, man,
I've been bringing controlled rage to my
industry.
And I And I know that's probably not the
politically best correct thing to say. I
I should say that I have a bigger
purpose and impact, and And I do. I I I
We've got adopted kids and
charities and causes, but it's the
[ __ ] darkness and the rage that
drives me.
I love that. And that's something that,
you know, in your answer you obviously
anticipate that people want you to say
something more lofty or beautiful or
whatever it is that they're looking for,
but I found that to be 100% true that at
the end of the day there's beauty and
light in the world, and I think that
they both serve a purpose. My My
question, and and I resonate with Tim
Grover
as much as you do.
Um, how do you control the rage? How
Like most people are broken by the
experiences that you went through. So,
how do you actively turn that into
something useful?
Well, it's not so much controlling the
rage. It's knowing that when I had all
that anger and rage, and I channeled it
towards, you know, carjacking and home
invasions with my friends, being the
getaway driver and and and getting
caught by the police, like
karma was not good to me, right? Uh,
when you decide to carjack someone and
you later find out that night that
they're in a gang,
and now they're back for retaliation,
and they're beating the crap out of you
in front of your girlfriend who's like
panicking,
right?
Um, you realize, hey, this is karmic
justice. And so, I had to take that rage
and use it for good. And I figured at
that point that if I used it for good,
good things would happen cuz I used it
for bad and bad things were happening to
me. Like, I'm not the sharpest knife in
the drawer, but I do know
how to connect dot, and the dots were
when I did bad, bad happened to me. And
by God,
I better start doing good or I'm going
to die.
And so,
you know, thankfully, the only constant
I had in my life was
you know, after senior year of high
school, I finally decided to figure out
how to lose weight just so I I ask some
girl out to the prom. I never did ask
her to the prom, but I lost weight
senior year of high school and that kind
of
you know, got me involved in fitness and
working out. So, I was always in the
gym. Which was bad because now I'm a
strong, steroid-using
angry
young man just on a mission to destroy,
right? My goal wasn't to to go and
destroy things. It's just you have it, I
want it and it was mine.
Bad way to look at things and today it's
the opposite and
I want to serve you and I wake up every
morning knowing that I can wear one of
two shirts.
What can you do for me?
Or how can I serve you? And I choose the
one deliberately every single morning
and how can I serve you? And ever since
I've done that, it's been the most
selfish thing. So, I take that darkness,
the rage, the the anger
and I just use it for good.
Why do you think it's so useful?
I think it's useful for me and I think
more people ought to embrace that
darkness, that rage because
gives you a sense of being invincible.
The truth of the matter is whether
you're growing up, you're a foreigner
like I am in this country and you're
growing up against bigotry and hate and
being broke and moving around from
school to school and being bullied and
picked on and
or you're an entrepreneur and you're
trying to build your business, turn your
idea into a dream and and help people.
You're going to
you're going to come across adversities,
challenges, setbacks and
you got to have a reason why and most
people who succeed ultimately have a
strong reason why.
But if that reason why is fueled I I
look at rage and darkness as a
supercharger. I have a reason why and
the supercharger on top of that engine
is my
rage and darkness and so
I think more people ought to
put themselves in positions
where they deal with adversity and
challenges so that they can develop some
sense of anger
and darkness and rage. Like like I'll be
very frank with you, dude. Between the
ages of four and
four and six,
I was molested by two older boys
consistently in Armenia.
Uh what my parents don't know is when we
escaped Armenia,
they thought they were just bringing us
to freedom. They saved me from that.
Like I grew up with a chip on my
shoulder. Like all men were the [ __ ]
enemy to me, right? Because of what
happened to me. And I was fists up
everywhere.
So, you know, only in hindsight, as
Steve Jobs says, when you look back all
the dots connect, but I realized all
that anger and rage was coming from just
I had to go protect myself, right?
But in that ability to
disassociate when you know, when you're
being molested over and over again, you
have to disassociate and mentally
disappear, I realized that I developed
some superpower.
And you don't have to go and get
molested, you don't have to go and get
raped and abused, but you can go take on
a challenge that you've never done
before.
Uh in 2010, you know, I kind of called
myself I'm I'm a meathead. I just lift
weights and put them down, right? I had
kind of painted myself into that corner.
Why not go run a marathon? So, I trained
for six weeks and went and ran a
marathon. It was the most painful thing
I ever did, but I realized that was more
the suffering and the pain. And the more
pain I had,
the more it put me into the zone of
wanting to dominate. So, it is a
superpower.
So, I almost now go back and put myself
into these challenges. Rock climbing, I
was afraid of heights, took on a
six-week challenge, started climbing
rocks.
Um wanted to fight a professional MMA
fighter, so I hired him, trained for six
weeks, went in the ring and got my ass
kicked and choked out.
But each time I did that, it
gave me the sense of
I can get over
any obstacle. And if I can get over
getting choked out and punched and the
the pain of 26.2 miles in a marathon or
overcoming my fear of heights, surely I
can build a business. Surely I can take
some criticism online, right? But not
enough people
are willing to build that mental
emotional toughness. And the moment they
do, they'll they'll persevere.
I I love that, and I love your analogy
of you having the why and then the the
rage that sits on top of it becomes a
supercharger. Talk to me, what is the
why? And one thing I find so interesting
in your story is
when you take any one detail, it's it's
like this never-ending parade of
hardship. But the through your lens of
like karma and it turning into basically
whatever you're indulging in,
you found something so beautiful in your
empire like
having seen so much of what you talk
about and all that, I know it all comes
back to that sort of
the beautiful things you're trying to
bring into the world. But what what are
those things?
The things I'm trying to bring into the
world are are the things that I needed
most. I'm truthfully I'm still healing
myself. I'm healing myself. You know,
we've got 57 kids adopted through
Compassion International. And and we
every year we donate a quarter million
dollars or more on Christmas right
around Christmas to the Marine Corps
Toys for Tots. And I've been supporting
the Shriners Children's Hospital since
2009.
9.
If you look at all three of those,
they're all child kid-centric stuff.
What am I trying to do? I'm trying to
fix that little boy inside me, right?
I'm trying to help that little boy.
Um
And then of course I was a fat growing
up eating, you know, Velveeta cheese,
baloney found in the dumpsters. I mean,
we were dumpster diving when we came to
America. I was eating literally eating
out of dumpsters. And
so when you grow up with no nutrition
background and I know you can relate to
this, your background is is is similar.
You know, very unhealthy background.
I realized that
I've got bad genetics because
I've never took the time to eat right,
never took the time to work out as a
kid. So as I grew up,
senior year of high school is when I
started to actually work out,
I realized how much tougher it was for
me than kids who were athletes and whose
parents kind of controlled what they ate
and etc. and gave them some nutritional
guidelines.
So, I've always been a late study, but
I'm
for me I realized most people that go to
the gym and the statistics back this up,
89% of gym members never get results.
89% of gym members never get results and
the 11% who do get results are either
former athletes or personal trainers or
have taken the time to study up. And so,
I wanted to create a
model
that wasn't expensive. Like, I was
really that broke foreign kid trying to
figure it out.
And so, it was easy enough for me to go,
"All right, we're going to create this
boot camp model where it's one trainer,
many clients and we make it more
affordable and convenient for people."
Um I'm going to make I'm going to break
all the myths about fitness. There are
no There is no overnight lose 30 lbs in
30 days. I'm just so sick and tired of
hearing that and I fell for that as a
kid. So, everything that I've fallen
for, every pain that I've had, I'm just
still trying to solve right now and I
and I imagine I'll go to my deathbed
trying to do that, just trying to
constantly heal myself. It is the most
selfish thing I'm doing.
My my mentor, Jim Franco, who was a
personal training client,
um
you know, he he was a little rough
around the edges. He was in his 60s and
he came from the automotive world and he
owned the software that, you know,
actually you go into the AutoZones and
Pep Boys, his company updates the
software. So, what kind of filter and
uh oil and etc. for your car. And so, he
was very well to do. And Monday mornings
I was very tired. I was a personal
trainer, a fry cook and a bouncer at a
gay bar cuz the gay bar paid more, by
the way.
Uh people always ask, "Why the gay bar?"
They paid $3 more than the straight bar
and those $3 per hour is a lot for me at
that time.
And so, Monday morning when I was
training him I was tired and exhausted
and he was, "Kid, what's the matter with
you?" I'm like, "Well, Jim, I've got two
jobs on the weekends, you know, and
I'm exhausted by the time I get here."
And uh
he he he handed me the Tom Hopkins
cassette tape one day. He just shows up
to his personal training session and he
goes, "Listen to this tonight."
And so, I listened to Tom Hopkins, Tom
Hopkins listened to Brian Tracy, Brian
Tracy listened Zig Ziglar, and Tony
Robbins, and Dan Kennedy, and before you
know what, it's self-development, and
and and I realized the value of giving,
and the more I give, the more I'll get
back.
So, Jim Franco, who was just trying to
help me
get better at selling personal training,
so I don't have to have two side jobs,
inadvertently catapulted me into
self-development, personal development,
and then understanding the value of
service, being a servant leader,
uh as opposed to and that's what he was.
He He had no
obligation to help me. Like, he was
paying me. I was training him.
Yet, he was mentoring me in between
sets, right? And he would hang around if
I didn't have a client afterwards, and
he'd talk to me, and he And for the
first time I felt like, "You know what?
Here's Here's someone who's well-to-do,
who's giving me their time." Like, I
didn't want to let him down.
And so, I would listen to the tape. I'd
go, "Jim, I listened to it." And he'd
give me the next one. "Jim, I listened
to it." And he'd give me the next one.
And I was brainwashed into personal
development, self-development,
marketing, sales, persuasion, influence,
and giving.
What I find really interesting, um is
that so many people are given advice,
and so few people actually do something
with it. What was it about either the
guy that was mentoring you, or or you,
that actually made you go listen to the
tape, and put the advice to use?
Uh two things. One, I didn't want to let
Jim Franco down, my mentor. And and the
other thing was, I was just sick and
tired of being poor and broke-minded,
and
hustling and grinding,
trying to figure things out, finding a
loophole in things. And so, I figured
there's got to be a better way. When the
pain is great enough, you start taking
action. The pain was great enough. Like,
I knew that I couldn't be a personal
trainer in this big-box gym for for too
long.
I knew that I had to do something more.
And so,
again, I'm not the sharpest knife in the
drawer, but I can connect dots, and I
figured somehow, magically or through
some weird law of attraction, Jim Franco
was put into my life. But I needed that
old dude in my life to set me straight
and call me a kid. I needed that tough
love.
So, talk to me if it In that, um, it
reminds me of the story that you've told
about the difference between being poor
and being broke.
Um, define those two because I would say
by your definition you weren't poor.
See, when we came to America, we were
poor and broke, the way I look at it.
Um, because we would always run out of
money before run out of month. We
decide, you know, do we do without
electricity or or gas? Cuz some months
we couldn't afford to pay both.
And, you know, being broke is being
without money. Being poor is being
kind of scarcity-minded, poor-minded.
And, we just realized that money's for
the rich. Money's for the the Americans.
It's for the people who were born here,
who went to college.
And, that's how I grew up. And, later
Jim Franco taught me that, "Hey, you
know what?
You can't be scarcity-minded. You can't
You have to live in abundance. You have
to understand that people just want a
solution to a problem, and they don't
care about the color of your skin, about
the level of your education. Um, they
want a solution to a problem. So, he
taught me You have to break all these
old patterns that I had, right? What
were some of the patterns? Some of the
patterns were that
money's for the white folk and not for
the foreigners.
You actually thought Yeah. I really cuz
that's that's how it was. Because every
time we went and got got more food
stamps, it was all foreigners. There's
no white people in line. At least not
not in the parts of Santa Ana that I was
raised.
Um,
and so I felt that money was for the
people who were telling us to leave this
country, go back to your own [ __ ]
country.
And, that also puts a chip on your
shoulder, right? Against them. And, so I
guess I had some reverse racism towards
towards white America.
Now I realize for no apparent reason.
There was a couple of idiots in in every
culture, I imagine, right? But, so that
was one pattern that I had. Another
pattern that I had was that
being proud to be blue collar. Like my
dad was like and he he still says this,
work is holy and I believe that work is
holy.
But the fact that he had so many jobs, a
paper route, pumping gas, worked at a
pizzeria. And so because of that mindset
blue collar, blue collar, we were always
this blue collar mentality and I took
pride in being blue collar. Another
pattern Jim Franco had to had to break
was he's like, "Dude, be white collar."
Don't use the shovel, sell the shovel.
I'd never heard that phrase before. I'm
the guy that took pride in I could dig a
deeper hole, a deep deeper trench, I
could I could outwork you. But that's
still trading time for dollars.
And so to be able to break those
limiting belief systems that I had to me
was huge. And all of a sudden I realized
I'm no longer poor-minded.
I may end up broke again.
I do really well now, but I may make one
or two bad decisions with my money or my
investment and end up being broke again,
but I'll never be poor. And I know how
to get back from broke because I know
how to add value to society, solve
problems in exchange for money.
But I'll never be poor again and poor is
a state of mind of feeling out of
control,
scarcity-minded,
taking pride in being blue collar. No
one should ever take pride in being blue
collar, period. Period. You've got a
brain, you've got a solution to a
problem that people want to pay for.
Put it out there. Like so many people
probably come up to you and I know they
come up to me and got this great idea.
And one day I'm going to do it.
When is that day? And I was that guy. I
got this great idea and one day I'm
going to do it. And Jim was like, "When
is that day, kid?" He's like, I'd always
tell him, "I'm going to go to the gym
one day."
When is one day? He was have you ever
put a
date to it? Nope. So he had to break
that pattern of of being a
procrastinator, right? So he goes put a
date to it. Oh, that was scary.
I go if I put a date to it, what happens
if I fail? He goes, "Try not to." Try
not like immediately I go to failure.
And it's nuts to have this like
entrepreneurial mindset
being installed in you when all your
coming where you're coming from is
poor-minded, broke-minded, and uh
scarcity-minded. So, when you say
scarcity-minded, abundant-minded, what
do you mean?
Well, the scarcity-minded person says,
"Uh-oh, someone else opened up a gym,
you know, across the street from me.
They're going to put me out of business.
I better charge less." Right? The
abundant-minded person says, "Someone
else opened up a gym across the street
from me. I better out-service them,
out-work them, out-social media them."
Right? So, the scarcity-minded person is
always the sky is falling, the Chicken
Little mentality, the
"Oh my gosh, if Trump goes into office,
then we're all screwed. Oh my gosh, if
Hillary goes into office, then we're all
screwed." I don't care who's in office
anymore.
I control my own economy. The economy
can crash and go back up and back down
again. I will find a way, as Tony
Robbins says,
"I'm built for winter. I just didn't
know it." And so, more people need to be
abundant-minded
in that if the economy crashes, I just
have to deliver more value
and create this category of one about
myself. If competition shows up, I have
to out-service them, out-work them,
out-social media them
versus shrivel up and die. So, if you
met someone who literally they're fresh
off the boat here from somewhere,
communist country, don't speak the
language, you know what's in store for
them, and I give you like an hour with
them. What are like some key principles
that you're going to teach them to
to endure? Ooh, great question. Thing
number one is
don't go find where the group of your
people are. In other words, if my dad
had come to Southern California
and instead of living in Santa Ana,
Anaheim, Garden Grove, that area, if we
had moved to Glendale,
where there's a whole bunch of
Armenians,
we would not thrive like this. We would
not thrive because
it blows me away when immigrants come to
this country and then they go to Little
Italy, Little Armenia, Little Little
Saigon.
Get the [ __ ] out of Little Saigon. Go to
Little White America, learn the
language, assimilate, understand the
culture, like blend into the [ __ ]
fiber of this country because when you
do, life becomes increasingly easier.
It's when they come and handicap
themselves and they stay in their own
culture,
they're in the United States. I mean,
there's literally Little Armenia in
Glendale. Don't go there and I and I I
might get hate email for about that.
It's I love the culture.
I'm just not going to go grow up there
because the economy is done outside of
that culture. It's done in this culture.
And so, thing number one is
put yourself in a position where you're
going to thrive, not where it's going to
be comfortable, right? Number two is
most immigrants will come here and
they'll think blue collar. How am I
going to trade time for dollars? And so,
job number one, job number two, job
number three, get minimum sleep. My
argument is how quickly can you think up
a service, a product, a business model
that you can deploy in exchange for
money, right? How can you leverage
yourself? Like, I wish I understood the
concept of leveraging and scaling my
knowledge.
I didn't know that until my late 20s and
early 30s. Like, my kids know that now.
One's 10, one's one's 12 years old.
Like, I didn't understand leverage and
scale.
And so, I teach them leverage and scale.
That makes a lot of sense. And you talk
about this notion of um
staying in your zone of genius. What
What is that? What's the concept of 5%
95%? What What's the whole thing?
Yeah. Yeah. So, so I believe I'm good at
one thing and I'm good at building
fitness businesses because I'm
passionate about fitness. I was a fat
kid, fitness changed my life and so, I
want to help more people in that area of
life.
And so,
every time I try and deviate out of my
zone of genius, which is fitness
business
or the business of fitness if I tried to
make a funnel, run a Facebook ad
uh edit videos
I am operating outside of my zone of
genius.
And so, I learned very quickly that
there's only about 5% of the things that
you do that move the needle.
We end up doing a lot of things. Like
most entrepreneurs end up writing the
payroll checks and doing their own taxes
and and and setting up their own funnels
and ads and campaigns and
Why? Well, because it's easy. It's drag
and drop. Who cares? That's not your
zone of genius. You can hire someone and
outsource that.
But I realized very quickly that I can
outsource 95% of the things, the trivial
stuff I can outsource so that I can
focus on the
valuable stuff, the 5% which for me is
delegate, motivate, sell.
And the more I can delegate out, the
more I can motivate my team and my
business partners and my my clients to
buy and and use and purchase again,
the better I do. So it's delegate,
motivate, sell. That's my 5% and most
people need to operate within their zone
of genius um and just outsource
everything else. And when you do, life
becomes a lot easier.
Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. Um you've
got GSD. What What does GSD stand for?
Get [ __ ] done. Yeah, I like that. Yeah,
you know, nothing happens until you get
[ __ ] done.
Everyone's got a great idea, it'll make
me this many millions and it'll help
this many people. Nothing happens till
you get that [ __ ] done.
So how do you teach people to do that?
Your masterminds seem pretty impressive,
super intense, which is a word that I
would definitely slather all over you.
Um how do you train them to do that? I
love the mastermind environment. I love
the coaching environment because through
a course I can't transfer this feeling
of intensity, of obligation and duty. I
really feel like I've got this
obligation and duty to reach my fullest
potential for two reasons. One, I feel
if God or whoever the superpower is put
some gift in all of us,
we are doing that superpower a
disservice if when we die we haven't
reached that full potential. Number two,
what kind of [ __ ] example am I
leaving for my kids, right? Dad chose to
take the easy path every time instead of
the hard path. That's what I did when I
was younger and I was involved in
helicopter chases with the cops.
No longer will do I want to take the
easy path. I'll always take the hardest
path, and it becomes the best path. And
so, the big thing here when I'm coaching
my clients is if I have 12 months with
them, and I get to meet them three times
a year in person for 2 days at a time,
I'm able to transfer that intensity. I'm
able to get them to stop thinking in the
weeds and start thinking in the clouds.
Like, be think in that 5% instead of the
95% as we talked about earlier. I get
them to understand their duty and
obligation of whatever their gift or
purpose is on this planet. I can't do
that through my courses. I've got a lot
of courses that I created thinking that
it would help people. I realized the
courses don't transfer the intensity,
passion, purpose, duty, obligation, but
I can get in someone's face and with
love transfer that feeling. And I And I
believe that might be another gift,
which still is training. It's coaching.
Just instead of fitness, I'm coaching
you on your outcome in life. Right? Um
But But, man, I I I love the coaching
aspect for that reason because I can
truly follow up with you.
And go, "Hey, you made a commitment
at this mastermind, and in 90 days we're
going to see each other." Like, I don't
want you to be the one client who came
and said, "Uh I didn't do it." Right?
And so, when I put that kind of pressure
on Now, many of my clients do quit and
leave.
They you quit and leave. Because of the
pressure?
Yes. Yes, and that's okay. They They
still want to stay crop dusters, and
that's okay. But, I see fighter jet
potential in them. I was saying, "Now
you Now Now you have to define that.
Okay. So, fighter jets versus crop
dusters? Fighter jets versus crop
dusters is that I believe we all are
raised as fighter jets. Just we get
neutered by parents, by grandparents,
because of the [ __ ] filters they had
and viewed life through, the experiences
they had, teachers who go, "You don't
want to disappoint yourself. Just go to
college. Go get a good job. Go to
college." Don't go to college. Today,
don't go to college. It's the worst
thing you can do. Unless you're going to
be a doctor or an attorney or an
accountant or
you know, some kind of an architect,
don't go to college. You can do a lot
more in life without going to college.
And so again, teachers, professors will
end up neutering us. And when they take
they take that fighter jet, that hunger,
the claws and fangs, they [ __ ] defang
us.
All right. So now we're crop dusters.
Well, I don't want to take too many
risks. I just want to live a good life
and they want to be average and
mediocre. That's the crop duster.
Yet everyone inside has this hunger.
See, the fighter jet didn't go away.
It's just been suppressed. You've been
neutered.
And that was me. Like, hey, don't take
big risks. Just go get a good job. Go be
a smog technician. Like that was the
advice I was given. Go be a smog
technician, right? So I'd be the guy
putting the [ __ ] probe in the
tailpipe of your car and then saying you
can go get your car registered, Tom.
That was it. That was it. And so I
realized very quickly that I've got this
hunger inside me. And as I talked to
others, they got this hunger inside
them. Oh, that's the fighter jet trying
to get out. That's the claws and fangs
trying to grow. But the society,
parents, whoever have set the standard
for you to not play it safe, take risks.
What if you lose? What if you lose? Who
cares? As long as you don't die, you can
come right back.
And so the fighter jet mentality is that
someone who is just determined,
relentlessly obsessed in achieving an
outcome in the face of all adversity.
The crop duster
is someone who's always looking for the
easiest path, the loophole, which what I
I used to be a severe crop duster. The
crop duster hits the snooze button every
day cuz they'd rather take 10 more
minutes of mediocre sleep than getting
up and dominating their path. Every
morning, on my nightstand, there's two
stacks of [ __ ] dominoes lined up. And
at the top of this stack says, "You're a
loser." The top of this one says,
"You're a winner." If I hit the snooze
button,
I've hit that first domino in the loser
stack. The rest of my day is going to
suck. Now, with that mentality, am I
going to ever hit snooze again?
Absolutely not. Because I've sold myself
on the idea that when I hit the snooze
button, I'm an absolute loser. I'm scum
of the earth. I am
My day is destined to be shitty. Now,
some people go, "You're being awfully
hard on yourself."
More people should be hard on
themselves. We go around bubble wrapping
ourselves, right? We we leave the
training wheels on for too long. Like be
hard on yourself. Take the [ __ ]
bubble wrap off. Take the Take the
training wheels off. No one did that for
me, man. And we came to this country and
it was just like, "Hey, go figure it
out." But it was don't take risks. To go
get a good job. [ __ ] that. Be a fighter
jet. Be a fighter jet. Go to battle
every day. Take risks. That's what a
fighter jet does. A crop duster has a
routine life and it's [ __ ] boring.
Dude, that the example that you gave of
the alarm clock snooze button
is brilliant.
If I come to you and I'm a crop duster,
but I'm really serious that I want to
become a fighter jet, but I don't know
what to do. Are there other mechanical
things like that that I can do that will
empower me? Like how do I cross that
chasm?
The way you cross the chasm is by
building a morning ritual. Like I had no
morning ritual. So, I would wake up, hit
the snooze button, it would go off
again, I'd hit it one more time. And
then I'd get up.
What am I do, right? Today, you can set
your clock to me. Like you know by by by
exactly about 6:05, 6:06, I'm sitting on
my couch on the right hand side of my
living room and a sniper could actually
shoot me every day at that at that time,
right? Not a minute later or sooner. And
and and the reason is because I wake up
at 5:00,
never hit the snooze button, have my
morning ritual of taking a shower,
water, coffee, protein shake,
playing with Cookie, my dog, and then
getting on my couch, and then literally
looking at my iPhone. What are the three
things I'm going to do this morning
that's in my 5% that's going to move the
needle that only I can do, that I'm
capable of doing.
Then I put my iPhone upside down, on
silent, and I push it away from me. Like
all of that to me is a ritual. It's no
different going back to a fighter jet.
The dude the I guess the fighter jet
pilot doesn't just jump in and go, "All
right, let's start dropping bombs." He
has to go through a checklist, right? Of
dropping the canopy, turning this on,
checking that, making sure the GPS
works, guidance system. Okay, great,
fantastic. Now he takes off.
So, you've got to build a mechanically,
where mechanically is concerned, yeah,
don't hit the snooze button, but make a
list the night before. Do a brain dump.
What are the three to five things that
you need to do that's going to really
move the needle in your business or in
your life, right? And then go and do
that. And so, for me, I make the list
the night before. I dominate it the
morning of. By 9:00 a.m., I'm off to the
gym, and you know I am because you can
look at my stories, and it's like, "Hey,
it's 9:00, and I'm off to the gym to go
crush another workout." Then I go to the
HQ. It's the same [ __ ] routine, but
it's such a great routine because it's
every day is a challenge. The weight
room is a challenge. My work is a
challenge. I get to the headquarters,
and we've got a new challenge cuz the
Federal Trade Commission wants to know
how we're selling so many franchises.
That's a good problem to have. Like, in
life, we're going to have good problems.
It's just Is there Are your problems
first world problems or third world
problems? I used to have third world
problems. No money, no opportunity, no
hope.
First world problems are the Federal
Trade Commission is auditing you cuz
your franchise is growing so quickly.
I'll take that.
Right? That's what we want. I love that.
And when I think about what it is that
allowed me to be successful, it was the
ability to generate that energy from
nothing, to not have any particular
hunger or anything in me, but to
leverage the pain, to leverage the
darkness, to knowingly turn inward and
say, "I'm going to turn this into
something."
How do you teach people to do that?
Well, it's not easy, and I think the
best teacher is environmental exposure.
And again, this is why I love high-level
coaching. Like, if someone wants to
create a
a brand like you have with Quest,
their fastest route is to be within you
and your partners' circles. It's
environmental exposure. What does Tom do
every morning? How does he think? What
is the first thing he say to his wife?
What is the first call he make? What
what what does he What does he look up?
Like, I'm curious, what do you look up
on your phone the first thing in the
morning? Are you responding to text
messages, emails? I want to know because
I want to get to where you are.
Environmental exposure. So, if I had it
my way, I would be attached to your hip
if I wanted to be the next Tom.
Um so, environmental exposure is the
number one teacher to turning people
into fighter jets. It's not a light
switch, it's a dimmer switch that goes
up over a year. I want to talk about
that transition in your life from not
being a good leader, recognizing that,
which is already pretty extraordinary,
and then becoming a good leader. What
what was that transition like and why is
the punchline man up? Mm.
Well, the transition was really painful.
See, I thought I was an entrepreneur, I
wasn't. I was a business owner. And as a
business owner, you know, I owned five
personal training gyms and when you're
in the right parts of San Diego and the
economy's thriving,
you get clients. It's easy enough.
And it wasn't until
I started coaching and consulting
personal trainers
after selling my gyms,
the economy crashes,
and that's when I decided I'm going to
start this franchise, you know, because
one-on-one personal training is is no
longer feasible for most people. So,
hey, this is the time to create this
franchise. Well, I had to hire more team
members, more employees. And I realized
in that moment, in fact, I even took on
a business partner. And I realized in
that moment, as I was going through this
that, you know, my employees were
showing up a little late,
they're leaving a little early, they're
kind of doing the bare minimum,
and
I wanted to give them feedback, Tom, but
I I didn't know how.
I didn't know how to give them feedback,
and I
looking back,
it was because I didn't want to hurt
their feelings.
I cared about their approval,
how they felt about me,
and because of that I wouldn't give them
feedback, but something would happen. I
would start feeling
animosity towards them, right? Like I I
don't want them here. I don't want them
to be around me. Before you know it,
that kind of turns into this adversarial
tension that was between me and some of
my employees and me and my business
partner, who I felt he should be doing
this, but instead he was doing X. But I
never gave him feedback, yet I was
passive-aggressive, right? And so, when
you're passive-aggressive towards
people, you're afraid to give feedback,
you don't know how to communicate to a
team, and you don't have clarity of
vision,
you know, hey, we're growing this Fit
Body Boot Camp franchise. Great.
Are we going to be international or just
in the United States? I don't know. How
many locations do we want? I don't know.
And I never took time to have clarity of
vision. What do I want? When do I want
it by? How am I going to get there?
And so,
we were launching starting Fit Body Boot
Camp in 2010. By 2012, we were an
official franchise.
By 20 early 2013, I was having anxiety
attacks so bad.
The first one I had, I thought it was a
heart My throat was closing up. I was
tunnel vision. My hands were sweaty,
arms tingling.
Couldn't breathe. My heart's racing. I
could hear the thug lug in my in my ears
with my blood pressure just pumping. And
I thought this is how I die.
And uh
thank God I stumbled outside and fresh
air just kind of set me straight and I
was sweaty and fine, but I was like, all
right, I can go dominate my day again.
And that night I tell my wife like,
"Hey, um I think I cheated death. I
think I I think I cheated a heart
attack." She goes, "You're an idiot. How
do you cheat a heart attack? Like, we're
going to take you to the doctor, dummy."
And so, we go
and the doctor's like, "Hey, man, it
wasn't a heart attack." They put me
through the EKG test, but what you did
have is a anxiety attack.
You know, do you have a lot of stress in
your life?" And of course, my wife rolls
her eyes.
And um
I go, "Well, yeah, I don't know if I
have stress in my life, but I I take
NyQuil and Vicodin to go to sleep. And
then I take Adderall and pre-workout in
the mornings to beat the
foggy-headedness. Um
yeah, I guess I do have anxiety in my
life." He goes, "Well, you got to stop."
I was like, "Well, I don't know how to
stop. Just prescribe me Xanax. Give me
more meds. Give me more drugs."
And he did. He gave me Xanax.
And I took that for about 4 days. And
time I was like drooling out of the side
of my mouth. So, what's the point of
taking Adderall and then Xanax? They're
counter counteracting.
And I realized I don't have any clarity
here, like mental focus.
I got to I got to figure this out
without the drugs. So, again, I tried to
will away the anxiety attacks. Still
trying to grow our Fit Body Boot Camp
franchise. Still no clarity, no ability
to communicate, no no vision.
No I was a poor leader.
I got to the point in fact where
I was avoiding coming to my office
because I didn't want to see my business
partner and my employees because I felt
it was them against me, right?
And by this point even though we had
franchised a year earlier, we were
losing more franchise locations now than
we were gaining. See people just see the
success of Fit Body Boot Camp now, they
don't realize that I was $640,000 in
debt in 2013. Now I was an entrepreneur
I no longer a business owner, I was an
entrepreneur. Like holy [ __ ] I'm trying
to build an empire and it's imploding on
me.
And one day my wife and I and and our
kids were on a small little vacation cuz
that's all we could afford to Palm
Springs. We went for 3 days.
On day two I got a text message that
basically was some bad news about my
partner doing something really stupid.
And I texted him and I said, "Hey, is
this true that you did this stupid
thing?" He says, "Yeah, bro {comma} I
[ __ ] up." And he sent it to me.
Told my wife pack up the [ __ ] we're
driving back to Chino Hills. And then
the entire drive from Palm Springs to to
Chino Hills, which is about an hour and
a half, the whole time I'm just it's
time to man up. It's time to man up.
It's time to I'm literally saying those
five words to myself in my head.
Wife's quiet, kids are quiet in the
back.
It's time to man up. It's time to man up
because it was time to man up and have
that painful conversation with my
business partner and say either you go
or I go, but we can't both run this
thing. And I was ready to let go of Fit
Body Boot Camp.
And so I said, "Hey, meet me at the at
the office. I'll see you there." And so
one it's time to man up at the time I
started having the conversations with my
employees. I need you to be here on
time. I need you to meet my
expectations. I need to Then I realized,
"Wait a minute, I'm being a [ __ ]
hypocrite."
I'm hitting the snooze button. I'm not
showing up on time cuz I don't want to
be around them.
I got to suck it up and I got to be
there.
I got to be there. So this learning
process of being a fighter jet
continues. Like there's different levels
of fighter jets, right? And so
very quickly I realized that when you
say it's time to man up, it really is
stop making excuses, take control of
your situation, and rise to your
potential.
And I knew I had this potential to build
a big brand, a franchise where I can
help millions of people every morning
worldwide, and it feels so good to wake
up and do that today.
But for this to happen, I had to become
an effective leader. I had to get
self-disciplined first. Stop being a
hypocrite. I had to learn to communicate
and give feedback and not feel like I
need their approval or that they're
going to accept it as criticism. I had
to have clarity and vision. Where is my
business going? How many locations do I
want and by when and how are we going to
get there? I didn't have that. Today,
we're super clear on that. We know
exactly how many locations we need to
gain every day to hit our goal of 2,500
locations by the year 2023. I I never
had that. And and and so then, of
course, I was so emotionally reactive.
Something would happen and I would just
emotionally react. Today, I just think
think, process, and respond. What do you
think is the reason that any of us are
here?
Man, I don't think that we would be here
if we didn't have a purpose. I I can
tell you that. I truly A purpose that's
given to us or Nah. Nah, it's our job to
develop that purpose. It's our job to
find
and hone in and craft that purpose. And
the purpose is usually crafted through
some level of suffering. It's the hero's
journey, right? Like in in in film. You
know, the the hero, he's down and out
and and and he loses the girl and the
and the house and he goes on this
journey and he finds strength and wisdom
and knowledge and comes back and is now
the hero.
We have to go through that level of
suffering. Like for me, everything that
happened from being molested to
literally one day eating caviar for
breakfast cuz my dad was a member of the
Communist Party, the next day
starving in Italy
and wondering, why are we sharing one
[ __ ] banana for a family of five?
What the [ __ ] is going on? And and so,
there's this hunger
that everyone has.
And it's
always
neutered
by family,
by teachers, by culture.
And I believe you wouldn't be put on
this planet
if you didn't have this hunger. And if
you explore this hunger, for me it was
then being a fat kid, then being a being
a foreigner, then a fat kid, and then
fixing my problems, and then realizing I
have the solution to other people's
weight loss problems. For someone else
it might be a financial thing, you know,
they fix their financial problems, and
they realize they can help everyone
else's financial problems. But you have
to go through the suffering.
Um you have to be hungry enough to deal
with the pain and come out the other
side
with some scars, cuz scar tissue is
infinitely more
resilient than regular tissue.
Uh but again goes back to most people
feel like, "Yeah, I think there's
something great in me, but I don't want
to explore it. I want to play it safe.
I'm going to stay bubble wrapped. I
don't want to risk it."
But we wouldn't be put on this planet if
we didn't have this greater thing to
accomplish. Now,
some of us are going to be Elon Musk,
and we're going to shoot a [ __ ] Tesla
to the Mars, right? And and that's okay.
And others are going to create a fitness
franchise or a or a supplement company
that actually delivers, you know, great
nutrients that help people optimize
their performance.
Some other people are just going to be
really great therapists. They're going
to keep throughout their life maybe save
10, 12, 15 people from killing
themselves. Whatever your purpose is,
you've got to develop it. You've got to
develop it.
But you wouldn't be put on this planet
if you didn't have it. I'm I'm convinced
of that. All right, before I ask my last
question, tell these guys where they can
find you online. Uh best place to find
me is uh Bedros Keuilian.com or on my
social media platforms, um Instagram,
Facebook, Twitter,
YouTube @BedrosKeuilian.
All right, my last question, what's the
impact that you want to have on the
world?
That's exactly it. The impact I want to
have on the world is that we're all here
with so much potential.
Yet we most of us
It's unfortunate, but most of us leave
with majority of that potential
untapped.
And if I could just By the time I die,
if I can get a loud enough voice to
share with people that
Mom and Dad don't write your book.
School teachers don't write your book.
Those two [ __ ] dudes who molested me
didn't write my book. I'm the author of
my own book.
You're the author of your own book.
So many people give the pen to someone
else. And if I could just help enough
people realize that they hold the pen
and there's way more pages to be written
and they could write it, then I've
actually served my impact. I I believe
that's the thing that I want to leave.
That's an amazing answer. Bedros, thank
you so much for coming on the show, man.
Thank you. Appreciate it. All right,
guys. I am beyond in awe of what he's
done. His story is is astonishing on a
level that I almost don't know how to
convey. To come to this country with no
money, to literally be diving in
dumpsters to try to
eat, to have to fight that hard against
a system and people that don't want you
here that are heckling you. And in all
of that, to somehow still find his way
to creating something beautiful. And
that's what I want you to understand.
To be a fighter jet, to be intense, to
wade into the darkness to bring out your
full potential. All in service of
something beautiful, trying to build
something that is helping other people.
This is somebody that looked at his life
and said, "Being a jerk, getting in
fights, doing all of the bad [ __ ] that
I'm doing, it isn't leading me anywhere
that I want to go." And so he flips it
and builds something out of that, builds
something out of wanting to connect with
people, builds something out of wanting
to do amazing things for other people.
And relentlessly goes after that skill
set. But the the thing that I hope
nobody misses in his story
is that it's the suffering that leads to
that.
And I think that a lot of people will
lost in that. And that is my big fear.
And that is the thing that I always I
don't know how to deal with that. I
don't know how to put people through
that kind of pain to see them become
something. But when I see a story like
this and I understand somebody that
wasn't broken by it, but they were able
to grow stronger and build themselves
out of it, that to me is incredibly
inspiring. So whatever you're going
through, I hope that you will lean on
his story. I hope that you will see in
what he was able to accomplish the
future of what you're able to accomplish
because it is truly limitless. All
right, if you guys haven't already, be
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