How To Beat The Casino: Why VegasMatt Loses $100,000's To Make Millions

Gambling is probably dumb. Like, [music] you're going to lose. If you played for the rest of your life, you're going to lose money. Like, I think our biggest loss was $140,000 in a session, which was probably [music] 3 hours. Where did you get the money to be able to do that? The best investments I ever made were real estate [music] because it hides the money from me. I have money in the bank. Like, I [music] find a way to spend it. We went out for dinner one night and he was playing video poker. He hit a royal flush for $78,000 and I filmed it. And so by the end of dinner that had 80,000 views, so I knew that you could turn it into something and so I did. I encourage anyone that wants to do YouTube [music] to do it. 99% of them fail because it's harder than it looks. You know, you're going to have [music] obstacles, etc. What makes you successful where a lot of other people do what you do [music] and fail? If I was speaking to any creator or to your question, what really resonates on social media these days is authenticity. Do you [music] ever feel like you were addicted to gambling? Vegas Matt, you are known for winning or losing hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour. Welcome to the ice coffee hour. Well, thank you. That might be a mild exaggeration, but uh I don't know. I mean, I have lost a hund in a couple hours, hundreds of thousands of dollars, but not to disagree with you right out of the shoot, but I I'm just a little sensitive about that. You know, people tend to exaggerate, you know what I mean? Like, we gamble, I could even make it sound better. We'd gamble millions of dollars per year, you know, I mean, but I mean, hundreds of thousands per hour, I guess. Are you talking coin in, you know, coin in for sure, but winning and losing, like I think our biggest loss was $140,000. Actually, I know our biggest loss was 140,000 in a session, which probably 3 hours. So, a lot of people see that and they wonder where did you get the money to be able to do that. The amount of money, you know, isn't really all that much, you know? I mean, it's not as much as people think. And yes, we have some big losses and we've had some big wins and we keep really good records and we play as smart as humanly possible. Like I think we put a lot of effort into like where we're going to play and when we're going to play and we try to you know minimize the house edge which you know on a slot machine probably runs anywhere from 5% to 15% of every coin in if you played it for an infinite mathematical horizon. That's what you would lose that percentage of your coin in. And so we do everything to try to like make those numbers smaller. But we we were just talking yesterday the updated number as of like yesterday we're down $315,000 in approximately the last 18 months when we started really keeping accurate records. So what is 300 divided by 18 and you're smart guys like 20 grand a monthish is all we've lost take. Yeah. So now it's like, oh, 20 grand. Well, like that will sound like, oh, that's, you know, that's nothing. But at this stage, especially, you know, with all the revenue that we're making, it's that's just a cost of doing business. Now, sadly, the IRS doesn't see it that way. So, you can't write off gambling losses against active income. Uh, but it's not really that that much money, I guess, is the question. So, how I made it, I don't know that it's necessarily relevant. I mean, I was I was in sales my whole life. if I worked really hard and I bought real estate and did some Airbnbs and bought a property management company and had, you know, some some net worth south of 40 million. What was your first job? My parents were awesome. Rest in peace. And, you know, really good example, hard workers, owned a small business together, an insurance agency. And so, even though we lived in like an upper middle class neighborhood and we were far from poor, we were we were fine. my dad did well. Um, you know, it was, you know, get up when it's freezing cold, you know, and go do this paper route where you have to like walk all the way down this massive hill, every house on one side, then walk back up, you know, the other side. And it wasn't pleasant, you know, for and uh, but I, you know, and literally I think I remember it was a once a week paper route. It wasn't too stressful, but once a week and I think I remember my check for the month was like $7 and something. I'm old as the hills, you know, but it was in like the 19 like probably in like the early '7s, you know, and then when I got into high school, dishwasher, like at at a restaurant, then promote then bus boy. I mean, you know, so like actual work, you know, and then then then I went to college, got a degree in business economics, and then my first job was uh at a bank, a management training program at a small thrift and loan. Um, so that was and then that lasted a very short period of time because I absolutely I felt like a a caged animal like it was just not my my natural state of being to be in a 9 to5 like there's I just didn't do I lasted 18 months and then that was the last of jobs in my career. When in your life would you say you made that jump to being like okay like I'm doing all right to okay I'm doing well? That's a great question. I love you guys. In fact I've done some homework. Okay, very impressive. Uh, so how much money do you need to live? Right, you have to look at that. So if you need $20,000 a month, you need to have $240,000 a year after tax, right? I would imagine. Okay, so to get $240,000 a year after tax and you're then depends on what you're making on your portfolio, right? So if you have $10 million and you're making 5% on your money, right? You have $500,000, right? So I guess like for a long time I I that was a goal, you know, it's like get to $10 million and then you get $500,000 a year and then you get a okay return on your money and you can live on that. So I I would say when I hit around $8 to $10 million in net worth, I I [snorts] felt like I had actual money. Then there's like then there's like the next level is can you fly private, you know, like and then which you probably wouldn't want to do because it's ridiculous, but I absolutely enjoy flying private like some of the casinos have planes, you know, and what it's like once you do that and then you then next day you're getting like strip searched, you know, going through TSA. That's never really happened, but you get the idea. Like it's like h all this aggravation versus like driving up to the plane. It's like um so but for that you know you need to have a net worth more like the one that the imaginary internet people think that I have and it's one of my still like I still have goals financially like I'm still going strong at 61 not giving up I want to get jet money. What was the process to getting from let's just say 0 to $10 million. The best investments I ever made were real estate because it hides the money from me. I have this habit of if like I have money in the bank like I find a way to spend it, you know, and with real estate, you buy it and you hold it and it generates cash flow and then it appreciates, you know. So, I mean, even like my home in Vegas is a good example. I paid $800,000 for that home in 2012 and at the highest it was worth close to $3 million. I think you mentioned this earlier. There's been a little pullback in the valuations here in Vegas. So, I'd say now it's maybe 24, 25, 26, that range, but that's a pretty nice chunk of change just for living in a home with a with a $650,000 mortgage at 2.75%. And why real estate? I just like it. So, like I am a perpetual goof off. Like, I'm a kid. I swear like I'm like a 16-year-old. I just like to have fun nonstop. Like I do not like people telling me what to do. That's why I didn't do well in a in a job. And so like I liked to buy I bought a house in Lake Havsu because we used to love going to the lake when my kids were little and we'd go in Minnesota. So my parents cab it. But at a certain point in time I'm going to get my own my own lake house, you know. And then that was when I heard about the concept of Airbnb when it was first starting. So we're probably talking early 2000s range, something like that. And uh I thought, hey, wouldn't that be cool to have a house that you could also just rent out short-term, make money on it, and then uh also use it when you wanted to. Now, then I bought a place in Costa Rica, and I really like going to Costa Rica, so I started buying houses in Costa Rica and a focus there. And so, it's another cash flow property. So what I my philosophy is like buy stuff where you want to go and then so that was I mean maybe not the brightest philosophy in the world but I just if I can somehow combine a vacation and a vocation you know do that if it's something that's fun that's always been my overriding philosophy. It's not fun I'm not doing it. Why not stocks? Well really quick before we go into that you have to ask yourself the question what does the future hold for business? Because if you ask nine different experts, you're going to get 10 different answers from a bull market, a bare market, the economy is going to crash. It's going to surge. It would be very helpful to have a crystal ball. But until that happens, over 40,000 businesses have already futureproofed their business. 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Thank you so much Netswuite for sponsoring this episode. And now, let's get back to the podcast. Why not stocks? I like stocks. I I mean I have a very balanced portfolio managed but you know I I try to just not pay attention to that although I still like check Bitcoin stocks and everything like 100 times a day like on my phone. Uh but I have the majority of my money at like a big you know financial place and they just do it and I have a lot of stocks and bonds and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I certainly am not a, you know, a financial whiz kid, but I've done okay for myself and have enough money to go and gamble. Do you find that you also have taken similar risks with career or with other investments? Oh, absolutely. Now, so I had an interesting dynamic in that, like I said, my my family was very stable. My parents were the complete opposite of me, you know, and I think that we tend to be the opposite of your parents. I heard that and a long time ago and I've I've gathered evidence along the way. Like for example, EJ is the complete opposite of me. Like I'm 61 and the other night I went out to zoo, you know, till 3:00 in the morning. EJ doesn't ever go out and he has no interest in it. You know what I mean? It's like you you tend to be the opposite of your parents. My parents were so strict and like so restrictive on my behaviors. Whereas like I would tell I'd leave I'd leave town and I'd tell EJ, "Hey, you should throw a party. We have a sick house with a great pool and a hot tub and a water slide. You should have like the whole, you know, the whole gang over here." And then they wouldn't do that. And then whereas with my parents would leave and they said, "If you have one person in this house, it's going you're going to have hell to pay." And then of course the minute they leave I have like the whole school over like 200 people and the police come and I get in all kinds of trouble. Somebody throws up you know that's like project X. Yeah. So I digress. So yes I take I I have always been at risk like so I think if you're an overprotective parent you're going to end up having kids that are maniacs. Like my strategy was just be let them do whatever they want and then they became wonderful children. Both my kids are incredible. Uh, so yeah, my mom was really o overprotective and strict and that that restriction on my behavior when I was younger I think made me act out once I like got to college and got free and so I'm a tremendous risk taker and then also because I'm not sitting here trying to rip on my parents also they offered an amount of financial stability like I think I'm very lucky in that if I ever felt like I had a problem and I was going to be homeless I knew that would never happen. It was like, you know, walking on a t tight rope, but you know, you have a net. Now, I only used the net once in my life and I borrowed $30,000 from him in like 1991, you know, and I was like, so I was what uh late 20s, you know, just have my first kid. I got upside down and I was in a real pickle, credit card bills. What happened, man? I just was I was involved in a business that just went, you know, went tits up and I I I had let my lifestyle get ahead of my income or like, you know, I mean, it was just doing things like, you know, like you would probably recommend against, you know, like I had a BMW 733, you know, and I a car phone like, you know, like when they first came out, like the built-in one with the antenna on the back with a $1,500 a month car phone bill was very important. And then and then just all of a sudden my income went from like $30,000 a month to zero. And I just and I just it just it just overnight went to zero. And I was like h you know and and I it took me a minute you know to let my lifestyle calm down and realize that you know this was a problem. Regroup, refocus, find something else to do. And I just got into this, you know, what seemed like an insurmountable amount of debt at the time, which you know, and I just said to my parents, I said, "Hey, I just need to borrow some money." And so, like, my point is is that I was willing to take more risks cuz I knew I had to save that. I, like I said, I never really leaned on it cuz they were the last like it was it was like the worst thing in the world asking my parents to borrow money, but I I knew I'd never be homeless, so I was willing to take more risk if that makes sense. How difficult was that to readjust for lifestyle? Very difficult. But I think it's what made me uh who I am, you know, like I can you can knock me down, I it, well, unless I don't ever get up again, you know, like I'm going to come back stronger than ever before. And that's what I always did. So, I was pretty into personal development, you know, and and I had learned about goal setting and all that kind of stuff. And uh and I one of my favorites was Tony Robbins. And so, when that happened, I was so depressed. So I I was like after I got done feeling sorry for myself and my wife said like you know okay what next you know I I really like Tony Robbins and I said well I want to go work for Tony Robbins cuz I think the guy's awesome because I've been to one of seminars and I go wow the guy's like the best speaker I've ever heard. So, I just kind of put that out there that I was going to work for Tony Robbins and I found a franchisee, friend of a friend who he used to have these franchises up in Oregon and I moved to Oregon, worked for Tony Robbins, got my headspace back in order and then uh and then I ended up getting a job selling like videos, producing videos and stuff for that industry, you know. So I kind of became a vendor which kind of distanced me from it a little bit and I did really really well at that too. Like every time I made any kind of career change I always ended up doing better. The most recent of which now all of a sudden I'm a YouTuber and thanks to my son and my partner WBG Robert, you know, these guys are brilliant. We all have incredible work ethics and and I and we're doing quite well at this because I'm putting the same 18 hours a day, you know, focused intensity, all the things I did my whole life into doing this. And I encourage anyone that wants to do YouTube to do it. Everyone always wants to. There's 100 channels that start every single month. It's just like everything else. 99% of them fail because it's harder than it looks. You know, you're going to have obstacles, etc. Yeah. So that seemed like it was your biggest net worth swing in the negative direction. What was your biggest positive net worth swing in your life? I don't know. Probably when I inherited my parents' money. [clears throat] I mean, you know, that's that's kind of a, you know, sounds kind of lame, but I'd say like about half my money came from my inheritance, you know. I mean, I inherited the banks to my parents being working hard their whole life, being smart, you know, probably investing like you. My dad would never have bought a Starbucks in his life, you know. I did inherit a few million bucks and and that was that was really helpful. Did that lead towards the retirement or was that post retirement? No, it was post retirement. I had I had, you know, I had saved a few million bucks and I had a bunch of properties myself. But then, you know, then you layer on another few million and then all of a sudden you're like, you're comfortable. But then I'm so glad that I didn't just sit there and lead like this comfortable life and go out pasture and like try to, oh, how can I play video poker every day and, you know, lead a small life with 10 or $15,000 a month budget to pay my bills? Uh the I mean this is the greatest thing that ever happened because I'm like rejuvenated and I'm literally working as hard or harder as I've ever worked in my life and helping my son you know get financially independent. I mean I by the what are you 32? 30 your sister's 32. I kind of knew that you know he's 30 years old. By the time he's 35 guaranteed the kid will be set for life all from his own doing you know. I think that's cool. So that's fun to be able to work with your kid. When was your first time gambling? What comes to mind is in junior high, you know, like there was like poker and and there was this kid Jeff and he had this house that you could just walk up the hill from my my junior high and uh I was such a dork in middle school. That was like the worst time of my life. So these guys invited me to play poker with them and I just got wrecked for my lunch money. Like literally, you know, like I would I would like my parents had this like change thing and I would take like three bucks out of their change thing and go play poker. And what what year would that have been? 1975. So like I was like 12, 13 years old or something like that. Playing poker, getting wrecked for my lunch money was my first lesson in uh in gambling. And then you know Vegas trips with a fake ID in the 80s, you know, during college. I think it was the first time I came to Vegas, totally different city in 1984 than it is today. Uh and I used to live in California and we would go to Vegas a lot. Like, you know, we we even bring the kids to the Aladdin Hotel and, you know, and my wife and kids would be down at the little pool like in diapers and I'd be down there playing roulette. Go, come on, 17. Do you think it's hereditary that you have like a fixiation with gambling that maybe is like, you know, genetic to some degree or like there's a reason maybe you're drawn to it more than like the average person? I don't know. I mean, I think gamblers are optimists generally, you know, like like you're a financial guy. As I've mentioned, my son's been watching you forever speaks the world of you. I hadn't seen it, you know what I mean? But then again, I bumped into Bradley Martin at a party and didn't have any idea who he was at first, you know? Now, now I know getting hippered by the day, you know, but but you probably, you know, think gambling is idiotic. like why would you do something that's a losing proposition, you know, and that's a very logical approach. But gamblers are optimists. They're like, "Yeah, but you could get this big win." And it's just I guess like any other let's call it a bad habit. Again, if it's a bad habit, it's not I'm not in charge of gambling. A couple people are like, "Oh, you promote gambling." It's like, then don't let casino put them all out of business. Make gambling completely and utterly illegal if it's a problem. I'm not the problem. I want to I want to go on record of saying it, but I think there's a lot of people who enjoy it. It's a it's a it's a it's a rush, you know, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat. Um I don't know this is a genetic predisposition. I know my dad used to like to play video poker, but he would play like 20 for 25 cent single line, you know, and he kept a record. I found it when I looked through their uh their stuff after he died and he had a record of every royal he got, whether it was clubs or parts. It was so cool. like he was such a disciplined guy and he never probably lost more than 500,000 bucks and he figured I got a free hotel room and some free meals and it was probably worth it. You know where he was reckless at all. But I'm I'm not sure if it's a genetic predisposition unless the department of government efficiency eliminates it. Maybe we can have the government do a study and spend millions of dollars as to whether that people have a genetic predisposition to gambling. I don't Was there a specific moment in time where you had some sort of gambling swing, positive or negative, that actually made a big impact on your overall financial well-being? I think fundamentally I was taught good values growing up and my parents were really good examples. So I I pride myself on being reasonably responsible, you know, like like I said, I only really had one time where I where I wasn't able to, you know, take care of all my obligations myself. had to lean into my parents for a loan which I paid back. You know what I mean? So it's like I would come out though like I I met with this guy uh Steve Seir. He wrote a book called Whale Hunt in the Desert. You know, he's a he's a host here in Vegas and he became quite famous. He's been on, you know, TV, wrote a book and everything like that. And when I was probably 20, you know, 26, 27, 28 years old, like, you know, not making a lot of money, I went to the Las Vegas Hilton and he happened to be my friend's host and he became my host and and he just there was things were a lot different. It's not now it's all computerized. Back then they had the power of the pen and a host could just comp and do whatever they wanted. and he just gave me a $10,000 credit line. And uh that's probably the modern-day equivalent of a 25 $50,000 credit line. Like it was a lot at the time. And I remember I got hammered drunk and lost that entire 10,000 in one night. I just I was chasing whatever it was, crabs or that. It was a blur like one of those montages in a movie. You just wake up in the morning and you have these slips of paper and it's like I owe $11,000 cuz I lost the whole 10. apparently and said, "I need more." And he gave me a 10% bump. So, he gave me $11,000. And it took me like a couple years of making payments to Las Vegas Hilton to pay that back. And that was super painful. That's the only time I really actually got into any kind of like trouble gambling, but it wasn't the end of the world. It was painful few hundred a month payment and a and a and a lesson. Um, but I would come and I'd get, you know, like in my 30s, 40s, whatever. come out, you know, like a lot of people you see in Vegas, I come out for a weekend, lose five or $10,000. It stung a lot, but it was fun. You know, I was at the Hard Rock in the '9s and, you know, there were the great parties and you're at the Peacock Lounge and everyone was there and the celebrities and, you know, it was it was it was a lot of fun. So, I think it has an entertainment budget. I wasn't a golfer. I mentioned this before, but I think it's a good analogy. You know, if you let's say you lose $5,000 five times a year and on your Vegas trips, that's $25,000 a year and you're a responsible otherwise human being. I know people that spend 75,000 125,000 a year on golf. I don't golf. I gamble. I I think the difference with that is that people think they'll get better at golf. Can you get better gambling? Yes. I have good questions, guys. Uh yeah, I mean you know it's not it's not something that I do necessarily but yes I mean anyone can Google you know advantage play you know I mean there are people who make a living gambling you know that you have you know there's things that like card counting I don't really understand and I can't pay attention long enough to do it but you know you see the MIT card counting movie or whatever you know you can count cards and beat blackjack, you know, but they watch and if if you're beating them, they'll ban you. You know what I mean? Like that's that how you can get an edge in uh blackjack, you know, those things are I guess you you know that gray area of is that cheating? I don't know. Or is it just a mistake on the casino's part? Then with slot machines there are things like must hit buy jackpots you know and some person might be you know innocently playing a slot machine hitting the button for three hours and they lose you know all their money and they get up and they walk away where literally you can walk up to that machine you can see oh my god that number is at 9,999 it has to hit by 10,000 it moves five cents for every you know $50 of coin in I got to just put $2,000 a coin and I'm going to make that 10,000. It's a pretty extreme example, but there are, does that make sense? There are situations that exist on slot machines that a player that plays them has a mathematical advantage. Now, it's now it's such common knowledge and there's so many channels that talk about it and so forth. Finding those things is almost impossible these days. Um, it's somewhat of a thing of the past. So, but yes, you can become a smart gambler. Another example, taking advantage of things, not taking advantage, but things like slot tournaments, things like 10 times points. You know, here like what do you guys ever go to casinos? Do you ever gamble? Every now and then. Okay. Where do you go? Red Rock or Durango. So on Thursdays and Sundays, they have 10 times points. Were you aware of this? Okay. So to get 10 times points as a local, you go there and you have to swipe your players card. If you don't swipe your players card, they don't give you the 10 times points because you're smart. That's why they're multi-billionaires. you'll never figure out if they don't swipe their card. They don't know. They obviously don't care. But to get the people who, you know, are playing a lot, give them a little bit of a little bit back. Uh you swipe your players card, you get 10 times points. So I play at those casinos on Thursdays or Sundays. Uh because let's say on a normal session when we're making a video, we might put say $50,000 of coin in, you know, so our expected loss might be $5,000 on that video if you know mathematically. And normally we would earn like maybe $60 in points, you know, that you could use for a free Starbucks or whatever. Or you could turn it into free slot play. If you go on a Thursday or Sunday instead of 60, it's $600. So now I'm getting $600 back on this expected $5,000 loss. So my expected loss is now $4,400. I'm just starting to give you a couple examples. And then we won $100,000 uh last year in a slot tournament that, you know, so you get these mailers, you know, that come and most people just probably just toss them. It's like, oh, more junk mail bail, whatever. I'll just come to the casino when I feel like it. But if you see a mailer, it's like $100,000 slot tournament, you know, this weekend, you know, get a free room and free food and and blah blah blah. You know, we've probably done 20 slot tournaments, let's just say, but we won $100,000 in one of So that means that I made $5,000 for every one of those slot tournaments that I went to, mathematically. You know what I'm saying? So, the answer is emphatically yes. There are smart gamblers and they're just like flat out people that are just they might as well just burn their money. But before we get into that, let's be real here. Being an adult has its high points. You can eat ice cream for dinner. You can play video games whenever you want. You can even eat ice cream while you're playing video games. But in actuality, it's not all fun. You have to do your taxes, figure out what's for dinner every night, and of course, worst of all, schedule doctor's appointments. 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We don't know exactly how much it cost, but he got gifted it from Liver King who it was gifted to him from Kyle. Kyle from Neelk and then it was gifted to Kyle from Steve will do it. Steve will do it. And so it's kind of followed this just ownership thing and Liver King gave it to Graham with the contingency of Graham having to give it away to someone else at some date in the future. That's the That's the one contingency. Graham, how many times have you worn this necklace? Never. Maybe. Maybe. I think I wore it once. It's It's so like I don't want to say ostentatious. It's just not my style at all to wear a diamond chain. It's like So I' I'd never wear the thing, but I've always thought it would be cool to give it back to Steve who started this entire cycle of like giving it to somebody. Yeah. He's such a generous guy. And I and from like your perspective as a finance guy, like how do these guys like like Sketch came and hung out with him and he's like, I bought Sketch a Lambo. And he's like he's constantly just buying these insanely inexpensive gifts and giving him people. Like I see a video he's in a car dealership, you know, and sees like a veteran and he walks up and says, "How much is your car?" He's like, "$35,000." He goes, "I'll buy it for you. Here's the cash." Like he's incredibly generous. God. That'd be fun to give him something. We we actually gave him a pendant, a huff and puff pendant, like a diamond pendant that you know was like probably $14,000 or something like that. Thought we were being very generous and then he gets it and he's like, "What? There's no chain with it?" I'm like, "Well, I assumed you had a chain." And it's been an actually a funny joke. That would be absolutely hysterical if if I connected him with you and and you uh gave him that that change. So, I I he's he's a great guy and I could definitely make that happen. Cool. Let's do it. That'd be fun. So, we're going to try to we're going to try to transfer ownership and if he's okay with it, we'd film it. I'm not trying to do for content because I think most of the transfers are have all been filmed so far. All of the transfers of ownership transfers. [laughter] Well, I know he just is moving back to Vegas, so uh I know he's going to be here, so I will do my best to make that happen. He's he's a he's a great guy. So, going back to the gambling, how did you realize you could turn this into a business? Where did that come up? We went out for dinner one night and he was playing video poker as you do. Uh, and he got a comp at uh either the M or GVR. Memory is not really clear on it. He hit a royal flush for $78,000 and I filmed it. And I was with a few of my friends. We were going to go to dinner and we're like, let's put it on TikTok cuz this was 2021 when things were really blowing up. And so by the end of dinner that had $80,000 views and I've always been sort of entrepreneurial and I watched a lot of your videos and I was like maybe there's something more to this. And so I just started to go with him more and more and I was looking for ways to make more money. So I started posting it and his videos were doing well and then we just started gambling more and more and more and it just morphed into this whole business and I knew of the business of social media for a long time. I've been a a connoisse consumer of social media. So I knew that you could turn it into something and so I did and it was very fun. So what machines when you walk into a casino have the best odds? I know most people walk in, they hear these stories that like the ones closest to the entrance have like the worst odds or the best odds and best odds marketing the best odds because they want you to win a little bit or there's the the you know the fallacy that like your first time playing they want you to win a little bit in the beginning like is there any truth to any of these claims? No, I I I believe no. [laughter] Uh like [clears throat] because like changing the payout on a machine is is a is a good deal of effort, you know, and it's all very regulated. they have to open the thing up and then there's a log and there's a process and it's like a software and it's just like it's just not that simple and they don't they don't change it on like Tuesday mornings and then you know turn it back tight on Friday night or and and I highly doubt that there's any truth to the ones by the entrance. I I I would take the under on that. Uh the the best games in the in the casino uh slotwise are video poker, you know. I mean, the video poker's way better than slots as far as so if you want to play and earn comps and stuff. Uh you you go play video poker, learn how to play, that's another thing that I you know, like you asked earlier about the good and bad gamblers. Like yeah the people I watch them the holds that they make that are just mathematically just horrendous you know like they'll be like oh I've got a pair of queens but I also have like ace jack to the royal you know I'm going to hold that you know it's like a 10,000 to one shot or whatever versus like a for sure payout like like anyway so the best game is is video poker interesting and what about the ones where I see that seem to go viral online someone saying they got paid a a lot of money but the casino Ina refuses to honor that because of an error and they say, "Oh, no, that was an error on the slot. You didn't actually win the money." I think those are probably blown out of proportion more than maybe reality. That doesn't really happen, I don't think. I mean, maybe maybe I I've seen I know what you're talking about and it probably has happened, but maybe there's more to the story than meets the eye. Exactly. There's more to it than The gaming control board is very like that's a very serious thing and it's all very very regulated and you know, I don't know. there if there possibly was some some reason. I I don't I they make enough money. I don't think they need to beat people. I mean, there was probably like one or two instances of that ever. And and yeah, I mean, I think it's blown. I've always gotten paid. I've never had them say like, "Oh, you know, we we had $120,000 the other day on a on a Buffalo link and and they were overjoyed to pay us cash in like 25 minutes." I think people always ask like, "Are the machines rigged?" It's like a very common question and like, "Are they cheap?" It's like, well, they are rigged because the house has an advantage. Why would they go out of their way to rig it further? They're already winning. They don't need to cheat. I don't think people need to get that out of their head. No. Is there ever a time that you don't want to be gambling? Sometimes I get tired of the losing, you know, like I mean, one of one of the uh my friend said, you know, that's that's been a gambler full-time forever said, you know, winning streaks and losing streaks always last longer than you think is humanly possible. So this it is a very streaky business. It just it's you know the math is the math over an infinite time horizon. But there you know sometimes you can sit down at a machine and it'll be very hot you know and then sometimes you can sit down the machine and you just can't win anything. So like if you have like three or four days in a row where you lose 15 $20,000 and you just can't seem to get anything and uh you know it gets frustrating and I've had my moments where I don't feel like gambling. But still to this day, like last night we were just talking about at the break. I I mean I I went out to Red Rock and just gambled for entertainment. Wasn't filming or anything. People walking up to me like, "Where's the crew?" I'm like, "I'm just here moving [laughter] on playing Bakra." Yeah. You know, that's So, how are the machines though for slots designed to keep you playing? Because I've noticed there was one machine that really bugged me a while ago. It was the balloon one. I lost so much money. It was uh Resorts World and they had this one slot machine that you put money in and you hit like certain things and it made the balloons like get bigger and bigger and bigger. We talk about that a lot. Yeah. Perceived progression or persistence. So the animation on the screen, the balloon will get bigger, the sparklers will get more full, the piles of gems will get bigger. It doesn't mean anything. It just means that that bonus hasn't hit in a while. It's not more due than it was before when you started playing it. Oh, really? It just means it hasn't hit it. Essentially, it's what it means. It's just a fun gimmick for people to think that they're closer visual representation. We've lost a lot of money chasing those as if that was real. It's not. There is real persistence on some machines, but not not those animated. So, how can you tell if it's real versus fake persistence? You were saying a guaranteed payout of 10,000. If someone wanted to walk around for like 3 weeks straight to try to find a slot machine that has a guaranteed payout, like how could they differentiate that? Well, they'd be competing with about hundreds and hundreds of people that just like walk around the casinos non-stop looking for these, you know, six or seven plays that exist. Yeah, you could go to a machine like we could sit you down next to a machine and I'd say watch how many people come by here and poke this like every two minutes somebody will come and poke it. You can Google advantage play, but like I said, it's very competitive and there's not really any money in it. It's the discipline it takes to make money at it. it again. It's like like everything it you'd have to be so smart and work so hard and it at this point in time like it's got it's getting harder and harder and harder as more and more more and more people know about it and a lot of casinos are taking out all of the advantage play machines out of the casinos anyway. And even if you play something that has a is in an advant advantageous uh situation, you can still get completely and entirely wrecked. Yeah. Just because you're a 1% favorite doesn't mean you're going to win money every time. you can you can still lose $50,000 easily. So, is there a certain machine that you should play or is are the odds better on one machine versus another? How and how could you tell that as a player? Slot machines or slot machines. Just play the ones you enjoy. I think that's what we should preach here is whatever you're having the most fun on, play that and you're never going to get an advantage on it. Playing high limit is another example. Sometimes the household will be 2% less if you play in high limit. So if you're betting $5 a spin and you're max betting a machine on the regular floor, but you can go into high limit and the minimum bets five, play there cuz the household might be a little bit less in high limit. And how do you know when to walk away? Well, we never do. [laughter] Well, I mean that's you know there's like literally you know like those brochures in every casino like you know call 1800 gambler or whatever it is. I mean, it's like any addictive behavior, you know, how does the you tell the alcoholic when to leave the bar, you know? I mean, the reality is they still bars are still legal. Like, it's been kind of an interesting topic. I mean, cuz whenever you're talking about anything controversial, it's like, well, who ultimately there's self- responsibility, right? Or or is the government in charge of everything that we do? You know, what we do for a living, if we gamble, if we drink, if we do drugs, you know, it's like, oh, well, if it's bad, it should be illegal. And then, you know, I'm not I'm not that's not how I really roll. But the answer is how to walk away. You know, if you're losing too much, you know, if losing money, you're playing with money you can't afford to lose, that's a great time to walk away. And we're in a really great situation now in that, you know, we have YouTube revenue, we have merch revenue, we have, you know, endorsement revenue, we have, you know, we can't lose anymore. You know, that's kind of that's kind of fun. Uh I mean we lose but net net we're not gonna lose you know and but the average person who watches some you know we were thanks to EJ I think and and Robert amongst the first to really show the truth about gambling. Our our show is more like almost a podcast these we talk we gamble we talk about all kinds of different stuff. We have the question of the day we have all our funny sayings. I do my wacky, you know, wrapups and the gambling is just kind of kind of happens. But we were the first ones to really show our losses because, you know, it used to just be like, oh, I push the button and I get a big jackpot right away, you know, and it's like it's like just not true. It's just gambling is a losing proposition. So, when you know when to walk away, do not lose your rent money because you could go and get completely wrecked. Like I mean, you can sometimes It's just uncanny. Like remember the other day you lose way more than you can you expect you can sometimes like the other day we we played this machine at Resorts World and we did great. It was a new machine and I mean it was an incredible video and and and it was like wow I love this new machine you know and I'm like man the machine manufacturer should give us a million dollars for this video. It's so good. So then like a week or two later, you know, it it showed up at Elcortez and we went to Elcortez to play it. And again, just random. It's a random number generator. Every time you push the button that there's there's, you know, 10,000 different outcomes that could possibly happen or whatever the number is, and one of those 10,000 outcomes is going to come up. It's a it's a mathematical random number generator. Then it's there's a percentage of time or whatever. And over an infinite horizon, you're going to lose about 5% of what you put in. But the second time we played that machine, we lost $53,000 in the course of an hour. And I think we we hold the uh record, I believe, at El Cortez that the manager and our good friend over there told us, he goes, "You guys just set the single uh machine record for losing the most of anyone in history." So at that property, yeah, I'm going to call the people at Guinness, not the bigger. So, I've always been curious about this. Slightly off topic, but when you press the number or when you press the, you know, the go on the on the slot machine, is every time randomized or is it like preset where it's like the seventh time you this gets clicked? So, the way I've learned to think about it is if you imagine a giant roulette wheel with, like you said, 10,000 different outcomes. Every time you push the button, you're spinning that wheel and you can get one of those different outcomes. So you can get the zero outcome an infinite number of times or you can get the spectacular outcome seven times in a row. The household is going to be what the household is over time just like it is on a real roulette wheel. It's the same kind of thing. Does that make sense? It does. Yeah, that's how it is. And then and sorry to interrupt you, but the the like what you see like the the wolves or the sevens or the cherries or whatever, that's just a visual representation that's pre-programmed in. When the second you push that button, your outcome is determined. And it might be a five minute long bonus with, you know, squirrels running around with nuts and, you know, [ __ ] out gold nuggets or whatever the case may be. I don't know if you can swear on this, but that was that was trying to be funny. But my point is is that that was predetermined that you're going to win $17,412 and the greatest bonus in history on a$120 bet. that that's the one in you know 10,000 on the roulette wheel outcome that comes up like every 30 days maybe but it's generated when you push the button because in theory you could randomize it for future right like you could say the next 10 things like when you get the 10 free spins it randomizes as soon as you press that one button that one time it knows you're going to get 10 free spins and it also then randomizes the 10 free spins at the exact same time probably I mean you know you could I would you know you could invite someone from Aristocrat or light and wonder or IGT here. What are the different ones? There's a bunch of different manufacturers that that make the machines who really that would be the real person to ask cuz like that would be interesting. As a disclaimer, it's like I don't know. I mean, we don't know everything, but I've been told what the answers that we're giving you uh by people that I believe know what they're talking about. And and I believe it's a random number generator and it's completely and utterly random. And I believe that that you know, it's all very regulated and that's how it is. And I think your roulette analogy is really really good. You know, there's 10,000 possible outcomes. Push a button, it's like boom. Oh, that's what it is. And then the rest of it is just fluff. Did you ever feel like you were addicted to gambling? I don't know. Uh, possibly. I mean, I might also be addicted to sugar. Uh, you know, I mean, I I don't know. I really really enjoy it. It is It is a It's a rush. It's like maybe for some people it's snowboarding. EJ's quite a good snowboarder. Snowboarding is fun. uh or coffee or sex or alcohol or what else do people get addicted to? You know, that gives you that dopamine is kind of a trendy thing on on on my news feed, you know, like it's like what's what gives you your dopamine phone. You could be Tik Tok addict or whatever. Like um so, you know, government's going to make that illegal too, you know? I mean, eventually it's like, hey people, use your head. That's like I don't know. Yeah. Be responsible. Be responsible. But addicted is kind of a bad word. I'd rather not be addicted to something. I just love a gambling. Like if I'm bored, like, you know, like I'll go gambling. The other day when we were in uh Arizona cuz my sister's having a baby. We were there and it's like, well, what do you guys want to do? I mean, it was Thanksgiving. You know what I'm saying? [laughter] You see these people you haven't seen in like four years, you know, nice people, had a great time, had a great meal, you know, a couple cocktails. We talked about everything and gets to be like 7:00 because like we started going we started doing the dinner the Thanksgiving thing like noon you know it's like 7 hours later it's like what do you want to do you know like I don't know there's a casino like 12 minutes [laughter] away and so we went to the casino and had had fun you know like did you film that one? No we just me and EJ just went over there and my daughter and it was it was awesome. We we played a bit and then uh then EJ, you know, he thinks he's really good at blackjack, you know, and and uh so we go and we play blackjack and this really nice dealer and he's just getting smoked. What you you I mean not smoking you and I I mean we were splitting we I don't know 2,000 between the two of us over that time. It was kind of dumb on Thanksgiving. It's like you know cuz that's like 2,000 bucks you could go buy invest in a mutual fund, right? But so yeah, we're down $2,000 and then uh we're like, "Ah, okay, thousand each, you know, at the end of the world." Had some entertainment, but licking our wounds, you know, because just it was like we we get 16 every time. The dealer gets 20 every time. How could how is this possible? So we would bet more. And then on the way out, you know, my daughter's like nine months pregnant. My wife's tired. Smoke free casino though, by the way. Smokeree sister. And and and then I'm like, "Ah, one more machine." And then I stopped by this machine and I just put 800 bucks in. I don't know why. I could probably had like I probably had like 4,800 in my little bankroll and I put 800 in there. First spin, $20 spin, dropped a $5,400 jackpot. Walked out of there. Winners. Great Thanksgiving. A little hour with the family. It was fun. Net made $3,400. Gave EJ his,000 bucks back. Gave my daughter a few hundred bucks, my wife a few hundred bucks. It was beautiful. Like that's a happy gambling story. Now, the bad gambling story is, you know, I went and I lost my ass and I can't afford to pay my rent. That's going to happen if you if you don't get lucky. If you don't get lucky. Like, I could totally afford to lose $2,000. Yeah. Even if we left there losing 2,000, it would have been completely fine. I mean, it's dumb. Don't get me wrong. Like, there gambling is probably dumb. Like, you're going to lose. If you played for the rest of your life, you're going to lose money. But if if that entertainment, that rush of like, "Oh, man, a double down. Oh, I was betting a 100, now I got to put another hundred out there." That that excitement, I think, is what keeps people coming back. See, I see you and you seem to be very, you know, responsible in terms of the amount of money you have versus the amount of money you gamble. It's never something where like it's actually going to make an impact on your financial well-being. But then I also see these other people like I know there's like Togei and there's like Steve will do it and these other you know gamblers where it seems like you know like they actually make some questionable choices relative to their overall financial stability. Like Togei I know like will gamble like 2 million bucks. Now I I like look at his views. I look at the ways he could be possibly making money. I'm like this I feel like this is really unaffordable or unsustainable at the very least. Like one of the things I've learned and and EJ I really need to let you talk more but I like to say things to people directly like I would never like I've met the every person you just mentioned I've met them all and I I I was at Red Rock and Togei that came and sat down next to me because I remembered him from a stream we did with Steve very nice nice guy that's all I can say. I agreed like I said with Steve like how does he afford to buy everyone a Lamborghini you know like I mean I make a lot of money and it would I would have to really love someone you know or whatever like I'd buy EJ a Lamborghini I offered him he didn't want it but I'm not going to go around like buying everyone Lamborghinis or and I see like those guys you know like Dana and Steve and them they have some insane swings you know Dana I mean well Dana's got obviously a massive net worth you know I don't know enough about what these guys do. But I'll tell you what, they they seem to be having fun and as long as they're not hurting anyone or whatever, I I don't care what they do. I I wish I had the the balls or I wish I was 25 and had 20 million followers and, you know, went and did what I enjoyed every day. So, God bless them. But yes, some people seem to gamble a lot. What were you going to say on that topic? Yeah, I was just say those guys are nice and they're having fun and they're young, too. Do I think that they can take bigger swings and they're building a brand and so hopefully they're being smart, which they probably are. Do you ever worry about glamorizing gambling? Well, we don't. Um, you can see we wear merchandise. Our most popular shirt is called It says Sando on it, which means [ __ ] sandwich. And basically, it's the most relatable thing that we've ever branded because people understand that you lose. And we show 65% of the time that we lose our ass. But we have fun and we encourage people to be responsible and not play with money they afford to lose. And another thing we always say is idiot. Like we always call each other idiots because we're losing. And I think people understand that you're going to lose if they truly watch our show. If they watch reals sometimes maybe they'll think, "Oh, he just won a bunch." But I mean, we have a series right now where every 10,000 subscribers we're betting 8,700, 8,800 until we get to a million. and we're posting the results of that and so we've done it 16 times and we're down 3,000. We're very transparent about the actual results. Yeah. So, I mean, I wouldn't want to glamorize gambling and I think there's something to to be said about that. And uh again, until such time as it's illegal to gamble or to talk about it, you know, I mean, it's entertainment. You know, us, we just we try to be responsible and so forth. But, I mean, I would not I would feel horrible if somebody watched one of my videos and said, "Oh, boy. I'm going to go gamble and just make money. Like I'm I I don't I don't ever say that it's simple. I get wrecked. And like you said that to clarify, we we developed this term sando, which is an abbreviation for [ __ ] sandwich, which is another swear word. Sorry. That's okay. Um but cuz like when you get a bonus, like let's say you're playing and playing and playing and playing and playing, and then you finally get the six the six fireballs, you know, and you're like, "Yeah, I got the bonus." And you're in it, you know, $5,000 or $500 or $50, whatever your budget is. And then the bonus is one of those bonuses where it's just like absolutely nothing, you know? It's like a a $2 bonus. Like the other day I I was playing $50 a spin and I got a bonus and it was like $8, you know, and I was like, "Ah, that is a sando." Okay. And like you said, that that so we we talk about that like the gambling can be brutal. Yeah. It also seems like people are just trying to remove agency from the individual now. It's like everyone's a product of their environment. If you watch gambling stuff, you're going to go and become a gambler. if you go do this, you're going to if you watch this sort of stuff, you're going to go and do this and you're going to become a degenerate in that. But I think what you guys preach is is the right way. It's like, well, hopefully they're not. We tell them to be responsible, but at the end of the day, it's up to them. If they have a problem, hit up the regulators, not like the actual, you know. Yeah. We're just having fun. I watch Scuba Dan and uh Ocean Ramsay and all these cool people that swim with great white sharks and tiger sharks and just all you got to do is push their nose and they go right away, you know. But I'm not going swimming with any sharks, you know. So, I mean, influence me to do that. For me, I will say I watch your my favorite ones are the blackjack and bakar Tik Toks that you do. Those are my favorite. Usually, when I gamble, I'll put like $100, $200 down maybe once a month, give or take. And and that's about my limit cuz I know if I lose it, I get really upset cuz I think a I could have done this or this or this. So, that's my limit. Uh, but I like watching you when you put down like five grand or 10 grand, one hand, right? and you win or lose it or you'll lose the five and be like, "All right, let's do another five. Make it back." It's It tempts me. Like I've never done it, but it tempts you to be like, "You know what? It would be fun with like two grand down and just see what happens." The real like Yeah. The reality is is it is kind of fun. And here's what happens though. Like look at this city. The casinos win. Oh yeah. And no matter what you think you've figured out, you haven't. Because like we sat down yesterday on a live stream. We were doing a Cyber Monday live stream and we we bet banker. Okay. And in Bakarat there's player and banker. We always bet banker because there's it's going to win slightly more percentage of the time. There's a commission and whatever. And then I think there's like a one and a half% 1.1% advantage to the house. Okay. So if you played a billion dollars, you're going to lose 1.1% of that billion over your lifetime. Um, but we played and and we won it came up banker eight times in a row. Okay. So, if you were trying to do like a martinale whereas like you bet a 100red and then if you lose you bet 200 and if you lose you bet 400 and if you lose you bet 800, if you lose you bet, 1,600, you get to eight, you're going to surpass the table limit. And and that happens and then right after that it was nine players in a row and we lost all of it. [laughter] And uh and so just just no matter what you think, just do it for fun. But in mathematically, you know, I mean, play one hand bakra, you're not losing much your cost. So like if you bet $1,000, your cost on that would be like 11 bucks to play that hand, right? Is there content that you film that you decide not to post? And how do you decide what you post versus what you don't post? We post everything now. It's too much work to go make something and not post it. Especially it's expensive. Like if we would have decided not to post that loss of 50,000, well, that just cost us 50 grand. We're not going to post it. And also, I think there's an there's been like two videos that we did that were just like like I was just so mad and it just wasn't fun to watch. Like there have been a couple that you didn't Yeah. But even those were like $10,000 losers. If we ever had anything extreme, we would put it up. But if it was boring, nothing happened, nobody was in a good mood, and we lost 10 grand, maybe we would skip that one. But yeah, like two or three times over the last two years. And so how do the finances work out then of running this YouTube channel, running the business? I know you guys do merch. You said that you do sponsors as well. And then you have like the YouTube ad revenue, but at the same time, the overhead is whatever you play pay the employees. And on top of that, you said it was about $20,000 a month is the budget that you've spent on the YouTube channel on gambling. On gambling. So far, I mean, it could be more, it could be less, you know, it just depends. I mean, we could hit today. Hey, I could go play and I could get a Delt Royal for800 $800,000. You know that we're trying to get on the Super Times pay machine that we play a lot. You know, someday we'll win that $800,000. Uh and that would change everything. But over the last 18 months gambling every single day, we're down 300, so about 20 grand a month. How are you not allowed to write off gambling losses against profit from the business? To me, a common question. It's just I mean I I find that like these there's there's some topics that are very complex. I think they call them politics. Uh I invol I made the mistake getting involved in neighborhood politics, you know, cuz uh I had a crime incident and I was very vocal about my upset living in a gated community with this crime. So I decided I wanted to be on the HOA board. Okay. And that was like, you know, a decision that I soon learned to regret because you're just faced with like decisions where you can't please everyone. But the IRS is something that I'm not, you know, I'm not a huge fan of of the most complex, you know, documents or what's it called? Doctor, the rules of the IRS. You know, it's so complicated. How do you know what is and isn't? and you know you write it off and you know people get audited and h and it's like I don't I'm I'm not positive it's the best strategy for getting money out of a populace but it is what it is and according to the IRS and a good accountant and again check with your own accountant but it's just how it is you cannot write gambling losses because everybody would say okay I have a YouTube channel now possibly if you can prove that you do have legitimate income like not cuz otherwise every every person in the world just come to Vegas and lose $100,000 and say, "I filmed it and I'm going to write it off." So, obviously, you can't do that. But, I think there are people like us, like it is a legitimate cost of doing business and we have active income that we're paying huge amounts of taxes on and it is a write-off, but um it's actually there's there are some people that are that are that are doing it and taking it through the tax courts right now. So, we'll it'll be interesting to see how that works. In the interim, we don't write that off because I just don't want to take any any risk. very I'm weirdly conservative of as a a person. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I understand it. Uh and you're right. I think everyone then would just film their losses, post it on TikTok and say, "Well, I was starting a business and my giving him ideas." Yeah. [laughter] And are you guys open to talking about like the revenues and the numbers of the business, or is that more right now? Oh, I mean, we're, you know, we're the number one in the space. You know, thanks to EJ being brilliant and us being really, really hard workers and, you know, way smarter gamblers than most, you know, we've done incredibly well. And I encourage anyone who wants to to get into anything to try it and go ahead and give it a give it a go. In the beginning, you're going to get you're going to go and make a you're going to go and gamble. You're going to film it. you're not going to film it as well as EJ, even though we just use an iPhone and a basic mic, you know, and that's no big production value. You're gonna film it. You're gonna lose, you know, either not much money if you're betting really small and no one cares, or you're, if let's say you're betting enough money where it's interesting, you're going to go and you're going to make a video and you're going to lose 7, 10, 15, $20,000 and you're going to get like four views, you know, and you're going to have to do that until such time as you develop an audience. Now, how do you develop an audience? I think that's a a bigger and better question. Like, why do people watch us versus there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of slot channels out there? Everybody has a slot channel now, but there's only like five or 10 that, you know, really have a decent audience. In terms of percentages, if there's a pie, this is the question, the pie, what percentage of the pie would it be sponsorship revenue versus YouTube AdSense revenue versus merch revenue? YouTube revenue would be 70%. H and then merch and sponsorship revenue would be the remaining 15 15 each. So yeah, they're about the same. Yeah. And those are subject to change because there's some sponsorship deals that are starting to come our way that that you know people are offering us money that's really hard to turn down. I'm imagining that you guys are having casinos and stuff like that offering money that is just exorbitant. I mean the casinos are you know starting to finally come around. That's a fascinating discussion as well, you know. I mean, there was a time like I literally got trespassed, you know, like they held up the little T. It was like, you are hereby under section 19246 getting trespassed in this casino or whatever. Like, and it used to be that, you know, that you couldn't film. We couldn't take a picture in a casino, you know, and now we just did an event at a casino where we had, you know, over a thousand people come to the casino and the casino was absolutely thrilled to have us there and we get inquiries on the daily from casinos like when could you come to our casino, when could you come to this casino and so forth. So, it's really cool. It's starting to happen, but the casinos haven't really thrown money at us. the the slot machine manufacturers I think are another avenue that could would be really intelligent to reach out to us. Uh we have a lot of influence. I mean what how many people altogether watch our videos? Like do you have any stats on that or like how many views do we get a month or how many total subscribers? I don't have any idea. a lot. Uh I mean long form video views in October we did 5.7 million watch hours and I think that was from an total audience of over 4 million individuals I think. I'd have to look but so 5.7 million hours 4 million gamblers watched us gamble. I got a call today from a place. I I saw an unknown number and I and I it was a 702 number and for some reason I was curious and I had a feeling it might be important. So I returned the call and it was a hair salon. Uh, and I randomly we made a we were making like a joke about like something and we talked about nose hairs and I said that there's this place in town that like does uh nose hair waxing and I mentioned it by name and the owner called me because he's like, "God, I've had so many people [laughter] that have come in here or talked about that you talked about us on your show and it was literally Jack, you could go there. a throwaway little tiny line on one video ages ago, you know? I mean, it's like it's it's incredible. So, like casinos and those kind of places, it's like a hundred people a day come to to see us and take a picture with us and say hi if they find out where we're filming. It almost becomes like impossible to film because so many of fans who we all love and adore and so forth come to see us. But the amount of money that these casinos can make from having influencers or whatever there, it's getting to the point where they're really starting to get it. So, I think those pie charts will change dramatically over the next couple years. It's really exciting to watch how it grows. What makes you successful where a lot of other people will do what you do and fail or they'll get four views? I'm dying to let you answer that. just cuz he's awesome, a hard worker, smart as heck, and you know, he's just like his mother. And and then my other partner, Robert, is a genius. And anything else that you can think of? There's so much there's so much that we do that we work hard on every day. Thumbnails, titles, the production quality, the sound. Like, we will go out of our way to go to a casino that's slightly quieter than another just so if somebody's watching it on a big TV, it sounds better when they're looking. like we get into that level of detail, but he's so good. He's so funny. Oh, stop it some more. He lo he loves gambling and it and like if we didn't have the cameras rolling, we'd be doing it anyways. And I think that that shines through. There's a lot of stuff like detail stuff that we work very hard on, but also it's just we have a lot of fun and we enjoy it and it's what we would be doing anyway. And I think people enjoy being a part of that experience. It's Thank you very much, son. Very nice things you said. Almost teared up there. uh you know what it is I think if I was like if I was speaking to any creator or to your question I think in everything and the algorithm that runs the little you know the world of social media these days you know that that shows you what you want and they seem to know your phone knows you and stuff like that like the algorithms are so smart these days and I think what really resonates on social media these days is authenticity and and that's like you said so like I authentically love gambling. I authentically am a joker. Like we authentically do have a really cool father-son relationship. A lot of people admire that. You know, I we we like each other still. We work together every single day. Uh I'm the old guy, he's the young guy. Then we have the smart guy. Like the three of us together, you know, it that's our show. It's not me. It's the three of us as a unit. and just the banter and the dad jokes and the talk about, you know, my the 70s and 80s trivia and him not having any idea what we're talking about. And, you know, we have a we have an audience that authentically relates and they like us cuz we're real. So, if someone if some like people do, it's hysterical. Everything we do, people copy everything. Like we'll play a machine or we'll do this or we'll do a certain thing on this and then next thing you know, other people doing the exact same thing. The problem is is that was our thing and then if you do it, it's just you trying to be me and you can't be me because you're you. You know what I mean? Like so, so be yourself is my advice to any any content creator. It's like be yourself and your authentic self and that's going to cry. You're probably legitimately smart with money and you know you you believe with every fiber of your being that you invest five bucks in a Starbucks from a Starbucks for 30 years in a Roth IRA, you're going to end up wealthy and like that comes across and you look like a responsible young man and that's probably why you do well. You know, you're authentically you. You're not pretending to be a financial genius, but you're not. I don't you know what I mean? So, I think that's it's it's a lot of factors and and it and we just got lucky and we had the secret sauce and it just and it happened to get traction. Why did the I was going to say the Hakua girl like why did that get traction but that's that's authentically herself. I mean she's so sweet. I played in a poker tournament with her. Her name's Haley. She's a very nice girl and she was she was delightful to be around. She was very pleasant and I mean I guess my grandparents probably would think talking about spitting on a you know that's kind of crash you know but I mean in this day and age I mean crying out loud the world's really different than it was and I'm not saying that that's good or bad or it may be the end of civilization but she was just authentically I think out in New Orleans having a good time and then they caught that moment that was authentic and and it was real and that's why it that's why it stuck. Although, really quick, I just want to say that if you run your own business, you know that managing finances could be a hassle. Cards, receipts, and payments pile up fast. But with today's sponsor, RAMP, it doesn't have to be like that. RAMP is the corporate card and spend management software designed to help you save time and put money back in your pocket. And the way Ramp works is so cool. Spend policies are built into the card to control spending before it even happens. 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Um, one thing I don't like is if it was my own casino, I couldn't play there cuz that would be against gaming control regulations. And there's and there has been lots of discussion about everything from a little video poker bar to a, you know, a big casino in Las Vegas that I I would be very very interested in being involved in the casino, but it's also an enormous amount of work and so forth. And I'm not sure if I want to take that on. What about you, EJ? Yeah. No, there are multiple people who have expressed interest in buying a casino themselves, talked to us about it, but I haven't been able to get over the not playing there hurdle. Like, if we own a casino, how can we tell people to come there if we're not allowed to play there? What if you were like an affiliate for a certain casino? Like, there was a casino that maybe was failing a little bit and they could use some new machines. They could have like put some makeup on it and then also take you guys in as part of the marketing or something. You take sweat equity or something like that. Sure. Wonder if that could all be worked out that I would be willing to bet because I am a betting man that that would be one of the busier casinos in town. Yeah, that would be that would be interesting. If we played there exclusively and we were in charge of the casino and how and the rewards program and everything, I would believe that I mean I'm I never have lacked um ambition or confidence. You know, my mom was part of the 70s self-esteem movement, but I'm very confident if we were involved in a casino, it would do very, very, very well, and that would be fun if we could figure out how we could still play there. And how is the arrangement between you two, if you're open to talking about it? I'm curious in terms of like the the business, like do you do you guys split the business or is there a certain percentage or how has that worked out? There's uh four of us involved and we have a split and it and everybody's happy. We've never had that I can think of. Have we ever had one financial discussion or dispute? No. We're all making tons of money. The the division of duties is is really clear. I don't fulfill merch. I mean, like like we did like how many thousand orders this weekend? We did 3,000 orders this weekend and everybody except me has been down at the warehouse like packing unpacking boxes and shipping stuff and I just I'm not doing it. I'm like I'm I don't know why I'm I'm my back would hurt. I don't know. I'm not doing it. You know what I mean? Pay we have people we can pay, but DJ was down there till like 11:00 at night, which I God bless you. But I mean, saying we we have a very very great relationship and the money's is all is all split up. Everybody gets their fair share. Um it's not like I get, you know, I'm the guy on camera, I get the most money, you know, like me and EJ get the same amount of money. Yeah. and he does all the editing and he does most of the thinking and um and then WBG does the question of the day and adds his brilliance and it was all because of him and him taking us under his wing his guidance of bas teaching me to be a smarter gambler is how the whole channel started. So we all are involved. How calculated is uh your playing in terms of maybe blackjack gets a higher engagement than slots? How do you know what to play, what days, and what to post? That's you 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Um I try on our YouTube videos, I try to pay attention to the last few days. Maybe there's a story line of we played this machine and we lost a lot. So, we'll go back and play that. Or, you know, we do a little bit of that, but if he's not in the mood to play a certain game, we won't play it cuz then it's not fun. So, I'll just say like, "What do you think about playing this game today?" Because we talked about it the other day. Let's play this. And then the table games, uh, we usually use those as a way to get even if we're losing. So, like if we're losing five grand and we're only four minutes into the video, it's like, well, we got to get even or this is going to be really bad. And so, we'll go, we'll do a $4,000 hand and hopefully win. And it's called the get even or get even worse. We have a shirts about that. Yeah. Get even or get even worse is our slogan on table games. And then short form table games are just easy because you can tell a story inside 60 seconds, which is hard to do on a slot machine. But like we don't play craps cuz EJ finds it very difficult to capture the dice and make the viewing experience be any good. Uh he doesn't like video poker. I love video poker, but he he watches the stats and we get much more engagement playing slots than video poker. I would rather play video poker all day, every day. Too complicated. I mean, I'm you know, you can play 99.4% 4% video poker and you're only giving up 006%. But I people love to watch us play Dragon Link at $100 a spin, which probably has an average in this town hold of probably 8 to 12%. You know, so it's much more expensive to make the content that people like. And then Bakrat versus Blackjack, there are there's one place that won't let us film Blackjack for some reason, which I think is asinine, but that's just their rule, you know, and but so we always play Bakarat there. Um, and does that answer your question? It does. What about the dollar amount that you play? Do you find that you get more engagement the more money you spend or is there a diminishing returns? There is. Uh, I think that we found, especially recently, betting more is just we're not comfortable with it. Like we bet 250 a spin the other day, we lost 50,000. It's just like that's not fun for us. It's not within our level of comfort. So, we bet $50 a spin, $100 a spin sometimes. And then every once in a while we'll go crazy as like a celebration for hitting a million subscribers or whatnot, but uh we try to stay in a certain range and then we play for a certain amount of time and if we get completely crushed at that bet level, that's something that we can manage. What's the most that you saw someone lose? Millions. Millions. Millions. Yeah. Well, over time I there are some people that I don't know how they do it and that and they just gamble so massively that there's no way that it's profitable and maybe they're, you know, maybe they're billionaires. I don't know. It's not in any of my business. I think that like AJ answer that perfectly. The only thing I would say is that one of the things our sweet spot is our gambling that we do is relatable. There's a lot of people who come into town like that I see once a quarter or once a month, you know, and hey, how you doing? you know, people that I've gotten to know, and they come here and they bet $50 a spin-ish, you know, on a slot machine, and they might lose 10 or $20,000, but that's a quarterly or a monthly trip for them, you know, we do that every day. But I think we gamble at a level that's relatable to the gamblers that the casino is bread and butter, you know, and it's just if you play $1,000 a spin while it's like watching a plane crash or something or a train wreck, uh, or a something awesome, you know, if we win, it's not relatable. So to do that every day would be a we'd lose too much and b it's just not relatable. But I think we our gambling is rel. really legitimately trying to win and it's like watching a daily battle. Like what would happen if you were in Vegas and you gambled? You and your two friends gambled every single day for now what 700 and something days straight. Gambled. We've documented gambling every single day. That's interesting. I remember I went with a buddy to a high limit room. I think it was at uh Cosmo. We went to this like back room where they had maybe I I don't know. It was like the size of the living room basically and there was a guy there and they had two roulette tables that were side by side. This one guy was playing both roulette tables at the same time. And he was playing $50,000 a spin on one, $50,000 of spin on the other. And he had it automated so that the dealer would put uh $10,000 uh chips on five numbers on this one and five numbers on this one. The same ones. And one would hit and go to the other table. That would hit, he go back to the table, and they kept doing the same bets. This guy had probably spent about a million dollars. Lost it. didn't care at all. He's just sitting there having a cigarette, drinking a drink, just wouldn't even sometimes pay attention to the tables. Would turn around and kind of chat is like 50 grand loss there. 50 grand loss there. And [clears throat] then he got out another million dollar marker uh like for like basically a credit line to do that again. And then I remember he changed the number like he was always betting 14, never hit. So he's like actually move the 14 like a 15. And then the 14 hit of course. Yeah. And he was so upset at that, but was not as upset about losing like the million dollars that was going by. Like a hundred grand was gone probably every two minutes. Yeah. Didn't care. So if you're a billionaire, I mean, it's just a question of how much money you have. Now, some people play over their over their head or whatever, you know, they come out of their skis or whatever the saying is, you know, and but some people don't care. I mean, the guy probably isn't the world's greatest decision maker since he's smoking, like which I, you know, don't think is good for you. And but he obvious, you know, he's smoking, doesn't care, whatever. Like I a feeble attempt at humor. Although I'm not I wish all casinos were non-smoking, but Oh, me too. You know, cuz it's I just hate the smell of smoke. And I mean, go outside and smoke, you know, but it's like I guess, you know, so many people that make dumb decisions like smoking also make dumb decisions like gambling. So, I don't know, maybe it's only 11% of the population, but it might represent a disproportionate number of the gamblers. Well, it seems like that's why they also want you to drink when you're at the table and they'll bring you the drinks. Well, that's because it makes you a little looser with your money, right? Which is illegal. Like in some states, they don't they can't give you free drinks. It's not allowed. Uh which like people are like, "Yeah, it sucks here. You don't get free drinks." Obviously, like I've had some of my biggest losses when I've drank drinking. I have I did a video that did pretty well with ten commandments of gambling and one of them was don't drink and gamble because you know all of a sudden you're like drinking you're like ah I'm going to you know what's a $20,000 marker? I'm going to get it back. 14 is due. You start to make bad decisions. Yeah. Drinking does it. It that makes sense to me because it's like if you're signing a contract or buying something, if you're completely inebriated to the point where like you can't make a sound decision, you could argue that the contract is invalid because you were not sound mind. I remember there's that one case of the guy who lost I think tens of millions of dollars and they said that the he alleged that the casino uh he was completely passed out but they were still forcing drinks on him uh and then bringing him these papers to sign to take out even more money so he could gamble it. He lost all of his money but then sued the casino to try to get it back saying he wasn't he wasn't even conscious like and they were they were purposely feeding him more alcohol than he uh could take. So I don't know how that ended up but just remind like I was you know you're a smart young man like that's why I go to even my HOA like decisions on you know like landscaping I mean like but you talk about like running the world okay imagine if you were the supreme ruler of the universe. This is what we used to say to our kids when they're little. If you're the supreme ruler of the universe now you know that sounds pretty bad. So would you outlaw gambling completely? Would you outlaw drinking? Would you outlaw smoking? Like I I'm just curious like I don't I'm glad I'm not the person running the world. Yeah. My my bet is that there probably should be a limit that they shouldn't outlaw drinking entirely but say okay you're you know you could you could have three drinks on the house 0.08 certainly drive. Oh you mean a limit on drinks at the casino? Yeah. So they they'll bring you free drinks. Okay. But everyone gets two or three. I see. After that you have to pay for it. And maybe if you pay for it, there's that little bit of a barrier now that now it's on you because I know like like I have a hard time turning down free things. If something is free, it's already on you, man. Like if you have a hard time turning down free [laughter] things, fix that. I'm just saying. But but they could give three of them for free and then everything after that. So he's addicted to free things. But if someone brings me food, like dessert is the worst. I don't like dessert. I prefer not to eat dessert, but if someone brings me a dessert, it would be rude now to turn it down. Like, like we went out to dinner the other night and the guy brought us a dessert and I'm not going to say, "No, I don't want that." It would be So, I ate the dessert. So, if I had to pay for it, I wouldn't get it. Yeah. So, at least for me, give a little bit for free, but then stop it there. That's what I would I these decisions are very, very complex and out of my pay grade, you I mean, like, like I say, I all I guess we got on the t cuz I wish that there wasn't uh smoking in casinos cuz I don't like the way it smells. And it gives me like a headache and I think it's terribly sad that some people have a problem with alcohol and get completely hammered drunk and then do stupid things that end up impacting their families and their lives. I think that's terrible. But I guess, you know, it's a weird thing and I I don't know. Do do you know are we in charge of our own destinies or do we need you know a government or some lawmaker to tell us what we can and can't do? Where where do where do you draw the line? Because I noticed in a lot of casinos that they that they pump oxygen into the air, right? They make it confusing. They say that I mean I don't know. They intentionally make them confusing. They Yeah. No clocks, no windows. You can't tell like what time it is. You lose track of. So, so they're it's designed to like keep you in there as long as possible. But where do you draw the line between like them I don't know have having an advantage over like the average person like I don't know. I'm just glad I'm not in charge. All I know is I enjoy it. I like going I like getting free dinners. I like free desserts. I usually get like five spoons or six spoons depending on how many people there and everyone takes a bite cuz you know no one likes carbs cuz you see it on your newsfeed. Carbs are bad. You know you should just eat meat like the liver king. You said he was on your show. He was. That's awesome. Isn't he like a one of those meat eater? He's a new He just eats raw meat. Yeah. I mean, listen, I don't eat cooked meat. I don't know what he does behind the scenes, but he brought us basically an animal that was raw. Every particle, liver, kidney. Jack loved the testicles. Yeah, [laughter] it had it had everything on it. Yeah. Testicles honestly weren't the worst out of all of them. I think it was like the kidney cuz it processes the urine. So, it kind of tasted as you imagine urine would taste. Really? Yeah. kidney was. Did it taste like your antiogram cuz you I know you don't taste of liver, but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Liver was also iffy. I'm curious. This is a bit of a tangent, but like you've mentioned before on a podcast, you know, you're young, you're making a lot of money, and still you drive this like Toyota truck. Yes. Is there any particular reason why you don't want to maybe spend a little bit more of that money? Cuz I imagine you have plenty in excess. Uh yeah. I don't know. I just don't care enough. Like I was driving my mom's car. He bought my mom a new car, a Range Rover. Range Rover Autobiography. It's unbelievably nice. Wow. Range Rover actually uh they sponsor us. Oh, cool. Shout out the autobiography. Very hard to get the plug-in hybrid. We had to wait like 9 months to get it. Go ahead. I was driving it. It's so nice. And I was like, I got to worry about parking it next to another car and what if like I have my pants are dirty and I get the seat dirty. I just don't care about the car enough to deal with the stress of wanting to take care of it or worry about speed bumps or anything like that. But yeah, I could. And sometimes I'm like, "Oh, should I get a nice car?" But no, I don't I don't care enough, I don't think. And what about girls? Yeah. What about them? Like like dating as a younger guy, you know? Yeah. Making a good living. How do you Is there any sort of issue that comes with that? Like if you were to get a nice car, maybe you'd be attracting the wrong type of person. I think I mean, I don't think so. I think I have a fairly good filter on who's a good person and who's a bad person. Um, but I try to be aware. Yeah, this kid is so freaking smart. It must be like an old soul or something like I mean I I don't sort of make it interesting. Well, you probably was going to shut the hell up, but yeah, but it's like like how logical he is about like cars and stuff. He's he just doesn't care. He doesn't need anyone's validation, you know? It's like, yeah, could be dating supermodels, you know, whatever. Like, and then he'll be like, yeah, and I maybe I' I'd probably get her pregnant or get an STD and I I just don't care that much. It's like he's like, you know, he's had like long-term relationship, very nice girls and not like some ridiculous body count. I don't know. That's probably a level of detail you don't want to go into, but you know, like those, you know, those like those those guys on the reels, they go they walk up, they go, "What's your body count?" You know, like I mean like and it's like it's interesting. This kid has an insanely good moral compass that he got obviously from his mother and uh but that's interesting. Did Did he ask you that question? Because I'm always sometimes he's always pushing me. He's like, "You should." Yeah, cuz you guys seem kind of antithetical to one another. We're like, I'm not saying that you're like, you know, like not responsible. I'm just saying I'm a complete lunatic and he's like completely normal. It's really interesting. But he is still like, you know, you open up your pockets at the g at the casinos, like you still spend money there, right? No. No, but DJ's not in on the game. No, that's part of our agreement. I don't know if we've ever actually talked about that. I don't take any of the financial gain or loss from the gambling. That's me and WBG. So, so, so he's he does all the editing, which I like in the beginning it was like I'll do the work, you do the gambling. That's how we started it. And then I mean like I could afford, but I don't. Yeah. I mean once in a while like you know like we'll do something and then EJ might take like if it's if it's a really good something good he'll go you know I'll take 10% of the action or like we do we constantly do side bets like is it going to be blue or is it going to be green first? All right. I'll bet you 500 bucks it's blue. Sometimes he gets in on the action, but he's not a He doesn't have a gambling problem. He doesn't have a womanizing problem. He doesn't have a car problem. This kid So, what problem do you have? One of them. He's hiding something. Boring. What What would you say your biggest problem is today? What to do with all the money, Tony? No, I don't think I'm very grateful in life right now. I don't have any bad habits or anything like that. Uh I work too much probably. Like it's a problem. No, I don't think so. Yeah. Do you like going out? No, I don't. Why not? I I don't I don't It's loud. I would prefer to hang out with my friends at home or like go on just do things where it's not so loud. I don't like getting hammered. I don't like how you feel the next day. It's the same as me. I hate crowds and this is why I watched your videos for years probably. I hate like loud places. I really don't like that. It's a not a great use of time. I think it's these are all good questions. It's a great parenting strategy. No one's entirely worthless. You can always serve as a bad example. This got a great kid. All I had to do was be bad my whole life and he turned out good. So, what sort of comps do you get from the casinos? Like what's the craziest thing that you've been offered? Super Bowl tickets. I think was one of the coolest like like four killer Super Bowl tickets last year. That was one of the most fun times we ever had. Casino. We can't say. Yeah, we're not supposed to say. I don't think I mean not that I wouldn't. They just they just they just they just don't say because they have a finite amount of them and so if like other big players didn't get them and we got them they would just be like why did they get you know they don't want the drama. Interesting. Yeah. I say that but that and then the jet you know like some casinos have a jet and I think I envision I I dream of a time where either I have my own or I only go to events where I get flown in their jets cuz they have them. So what was that like? Like it's so cool. Can you say what casino offered that or No, you can't. Same thing. I don't I don't I don't Yeah. How does the jet work though? Because you live here. Mhm. Where did you fly? Why would I mean you fly to There's There's casinos everywhere now. I mean, there's literally casinos everywhere. Like Oh, so they flew you to another casino. Yeah. Yeah. So, there's casinos everywhere in in this country now. It's It's interesting. I went to I went to Northwestern and great hospital, by the way. got had a had to have a surgery and there was a there was a casino like right there in downtown Chicago like literally like a block from the hospital like I was supposed to stay in bed for a couple days got bored the next day after surgery I went down to the casino took it easy was just sitting there pushing buttons didn't restrain myself doctor uh I mean I'm in Indiana visiting my friends in Indianapolis you know we went to the Indie 500 started raining I left before the race started we go ah what do you guys want to do there's a casino nearby we went to this casino in Indianapolis there's got Minnesota to go fishing. You know, we're like, "Hey, there's a casino. Should we stop there?" There's casinos everywhere. So, they they fly people. What's So, I see this guy Ryan Treyan on YouTube all the time, and he makes these videos going to the worst rated Airbnb or the worst rated something like that. That would be kind of interesting. I don't know if you guys have done something like that or ever consider going to like the the worst rated casino in Vegas and then like going crazy there. I don't know if they'd want to be called the worst rated though. That's okay. That's that's a fair point. But I know like and then you know you could give it an honest objective review or something like that. But that would be kind of interesting seeing I don't know something completely different. You never there's never a shortage of ideas. I mean EJ's been incredibly smart about what to say and not say and do and not do. That's why we never go live, you know, on YouTube. A lot of people say, "Oh, why don't you guys go live?" It's like just too valuable to us. You know what if you said something dumb or you know like and you don't want and then and then we might say something is taken out of context. That's why I get concerned um you know with podcasts like doesn't mean just what you know I don't want to ever say anything dumb or like say people say oh he was mean to that casino and then someone might say like well then gosh if he said that bad thing about that casino I don't want to he might say bad so we never say anything bad about we never say anything bad about any casino and I don't I don't heap praise on any particular casino uh you know I mean unless and until such time as they know I own that casino or I have an exclusive marketing rights with that casino and I get free desserts forever or whatever the case may be that makes me so happy about that casino that I might say something. But I mean, we're we try to be remain neutral and say, you know, I'm out. Does that make sense? Yeah. And gambling, I kind of just thought, is is one of those hobbies, too, that you can continue doing if you do it responsibly for a long, long time. Yeah. So, technically, I mean, this could be going on for a good amount of time. I'm like 90, you know, what do you want to play today? Yeah. Just rolling you. I'm on the oxygen. Yeah. [laughter] Well, here's what I'm curious about because if you say you lose 20,000 a month in losses, I bet the comps have to far exceed what you're losing. Yeah, that's you you do a great talk on this. Yeah. I mean, someone made that that the central point of their uh of their clips that I saw of it, you know, or their title is like, you know, make $250,000 worth of dinners or something like that. I mean, hey, you know what? The the the comps are great. I mean, I don't pay for meals. I don't pay for drinks. I don't pay for uh whatever else. I I you know, oh, like tonight I'm going to the Knights game and I'll be in a suite and there will be, you know, it'll be like the best seats and it'll be fun and there'll be free food and drink and I love that kind of stuff. You know, we go to UFC that we get great seats, the rodeo, you know, I mean, I get called, "Do you want rodeo tickets? Do you want this? Do you want that?" like every cool event, you know, we get to go to and we get great seats and that's a lot of fun. I'm trying to think what else there is. Food, beverage, rooms, you know, it's like I'm like, "Oh, you know what? Can I get a, you know, a ridiculous suite because I want to go and have a few friends over like we happen to be here right now. Sure, no problem. Let's see what's available." Oh, walk in. There's like, you know, 5,000 foot suite. You know, it's really cool. Again, EJ would never do that. He never he he doesn't like to go out or anything like that. I love all that stuff. So, I get a lot of value. It's like being a member. I've used this analogy before. It's like being a member of a country club. If I let's say I spent $250,000. I don't There's a country club here. I think I don't know how much it is. Like the good ones here. Uh the summit, let's say probably cost a quarter million bucks a year, right? And so they get to go smoo at the summit and go down there. I mean, I'm sure the networking there is, you know, they're all billionaires. That'd be great, you know? Uh, but it's like being a member of the casino country club. You know, you get to you you it's an investment in a lifestyle. That's one way of justifying. You know, gamblers are great justifiers, but yeah, there's some incredible comps. What's the most that you've seen somebody else win? Um, well, a friend of mine came here for his birthday recently and hit the million uh at the win. And wasn't it like 1.5? Yeah, it was the one. It was like a lot. But, you know, he's playing $2,500 a span. He he texted me. He said he said he won a half a million the other night at the Bellagio. You know, again, but these people who you hear these huge win stories, you understand they're they're like spending as much as $2500 a spin on these machines and in 10 minutes you can lose 100 grand. It's 400 bets, right? 400 bets. 400 bets is a million. Yeah. So, 400 bets on a slot machine. you can lose that easily in a day. So when you hear about somebody winning a million at 2500 to spin, I think it's all relative to how much you're betting. I know people that have their lives have been ruined. I mean, just that's the thing. And really, again, if you know, for a clip, the most important clip would be do not [clears throat] think you're going to get rich gambling. Okay, it's the odds are infinitely stacked against you. I mean, Matt, they're they're they're stacked against you. I've seen people's lives ruined. And again, I'm not condoning it. I think it's terrible. I got people who think they're going to win if they just keep playing long enough they're going to hit the million and literally lose all their money and end up driving Uber. Not that there's anything wrong with driving Uber, but I'm just saying someone going from having millions of dollars to driving Uber. Like that's a shame. How do you stop that cycle? Because I've seen people like that where it's almost a compulsion where they they feel like I have to do this or if I lose five grand I'm going to get it back and it's like that digging themselves like deeper and deeper. Have you noticed like certain personality traits are a little bit more like this young man asked a lot of very serious questions. But here's the reality like okay look at drug addiction. Look they have gamblers anonymous you know I mean there's meetings you can go to. It's like I just can't stop snorting cocaine you It's like, well, just don't do it. I I don't know how. I mean, literally, you I can't solve all the world's problems. I can't even solve all the problems in my HOA. You know what I mean? I mean, and I I keep bringing that up cuz it's funny and it's current as in my life, you know? Like, it's easy to criticize and it's easy to say like, well, this is this is a problem, but there's always like two sides of a coin. Like, it's like, okay, yeah, uh, gambling is bad and lives have been ruined. All right, all casinos closed in the entire world because some, you know, some idiot can't stop gambling. Like, is that the right answer? I don't know. But, I mean, if they're watching it now, I think it's important to educate yourself about gambling, what the real cost of it is. Be responsible. And if you do lose, don't chase it. Something that we always talk about is like if we lose 10 grand, it's so easy to lose another 10 trying to chase it. One, you just have to book the loss, go home, or do a get even get [laughter] then book the loss after the get even or get even, right? Yeah. You lose five, then you lose the $5,000 get even getting even worse. Then you book the loss. Well, I I don't know what our limit is, but I'm just saying learning how to book a loss rather than chasing. It's very important in gambling. Being able to go home, shake it off, reset, and continue to play the size that you are budgeted to play is really important. This is a great question. When do you walk away when you're up? You can't. No, I'm just kidding. [laughter] You can't leave a hot machine. You can't leave a cold. For me, it's that's the hardest part is to walk away up. Yeah, because I then feel like all the profit that I just made now it's free and now I can just play with that because you know I'm not going to lose what I put in. Yeah. WBG, our partner, he has a great line. He says there's no such thing as house money. When the money moves to your side of the table, when the money when the credits are in the machine and they're yours, that's your money. And yeah, you can't think of it as house money because then you start betting bigger and the house just has a bigger and bigger edge. As soon as you have the money, it's yours. And you have to look at it that way. It's kind of shift in thinking, but and it's hard because let's say you hit your number on roulette and you're up a thousand immediately. You're like, "Now I got a thousand." Well, that's your thousand because you took the risk to get it and you already, you know, you gave the casino the edge and now you have your reward. You're just going to give them more edge if you play more or bigger or anything. Very well said. On our long form on our YouTube channel, there's there's a lot of education. And WBG is an absolute genius on gambling and he and he just and cuz he's he's devoid of emotion when it comes to wins and losses, you know, cuz he just knows like like we'll lose a $10,000 or like an $8,700 hand or whatever of Boat. Like we're doing our 870,000 subscriber thing and I forget if we won or lost that one, but what went well? Okay. $8,600. We lost. Yeah. Okay. So, we $8,600 hand. And I and I I get just so I hate losing $8,600 hand and I'm like so emotional. He does not care cuz he looks at it like like EJ said earlier. Let's say it's a 1.1% advantage. Playing an $8,600 hand. He he he he detached from the result. He looks at it as $8,600 time 1.1%. So it cost, you know, $88.30. And it's like how how upset he going to get about losing 8830 cuz he knows if he's he's not that's not the last hand he's going to play. So really he lost what was the house edge and he's so such a mathematical thinker whereas me I'm like emotional roller coaster you have to be like so I'm always talking about the high water mark to your point I got to quit learn how to quit at the high water mark and I think and again I believe in superstition I'm like a tip gambler I like in my gut I know when that high water mark is now in our case we have to keep playing more because we can't just say today's video is 2 minutes long you I was like, like, why you do it on the treadmill? It needs to be 45, you know. So, like last night when when I was uh over at Red Rock, I I got uh was playing Ultimate X, put uh 500 bucks in the machine, and in a and I had a pretty good bunch of multipliers, and I got dealt four kings, and I I had like $2,700. And I said to myself, "Self, you should quit. You just won two grand, 2,200 bucks. That was that was easy. You should quit." I'm like, "Ah, $2,000 floor." And then so I keep playing 2,000. I'm like, "Ah, my floor is a little flexible. $1,500 floor, $1,000 floor, $500 floor. Hit the floor. Put another thousand in." Like, that's what people do. They You get when that little voice inside your head says you should book this win, listen to that voice. Take the money, go to the spa. Oh, that's another great free compass. Free spas, free massages, free hydroacials, free pedicures. There's great spas here in town. Take your wife shopping. Buy her a, you know, a present. Go to the spa. Book the win. Go to the airport and go home. When that little voice in your head or most in your gut tells you that that's the high water mark, it usually is. What's your craziest gambling story? Everyone's seen it. I mean, we were at a certain hotel playing $1,125 a spin, and it was a few of us, uh, WBG and a few other buddies, and we're like, "Okay, we're going to play this, and we're going to try to hit this progressive jackpot. No matter what, we were going to hit it." And we got down $310,000, and you guys may have seen it. And we had to take multiple trips to get more money. And we were there for 7 hours or something like that. And it was just insane. And yeah, I think that was probably the craziest. There have been some since then similar. We won 130,000 doing something similar, but like the, you know, everyone talking and going to get more money and bringing it to the casino and it was just it was fun. I watched that video and I remember you putting in like 50,000 30,000 at a time, losing it and be like, "All right, we're going to get How do you get more money in and that amount like 30 grand? Do you just go up to them and they they do you wire the money or how does that work?" There's a lot of different ways to do it. You know, credit lines are probably the safest way to do it. I I have like credit lines at most of the casinos, but I mean, you know, you get a point where like, let's say at that particular casino, we only had access to a h 100red grand and we needed another 100,000. So, you know, you either have to go to the bank. Wow. Or you have to go to another casino and get take a mark. That gets a little tricky, but uh can be done. And uh yeah, or or have someone else come down who has has a credit line there. You know, I mean, it's it's there's ways of of doing it. It sounds like in your videos whenever you win or you lose or you add a multiplier, like there's like a lot of murmurss and like kind of like chanting or cheering behind you guys. Is there typically a crowd of of fans or viewers that kind of like start accumulating when you're gambling more and more recently? Yeah. Cuz I I've noticed that a little bit. How is that is that a pretty quick thing like as soon as you sit down or [snorts] depends? I mean, it's getting it's getting to be pretty uh it's getting an integral part of our like production because it because you know, I had an interesting story where I was at the Conor McGregor um Floyd Mayweather Floyd Mayweather fight and I was in the restroom and I was peeing and there was a guy next to me who weirdly I was talking to because it was very crowded. I don't know just he was wearing a hat and we were just chit cchatting you know it was a very exciting atmosphere and he was very friendly and we were talking and washing our hands you know we were talking about the fight and the afterp parties and this that and the other thing and it was just like a normal conversation and then we walk out into that little thing where you walk into the arena and then they stop you cuz it's the national anthem you know and so we were just all standing there in that tunnel to go down to the cool people's floor seats right and I look at the dude I'm like that guy looks familiar and I'm like, "Wait a minute, that's that's Leo DiCaprio." And uh I'm like, "Oh man, you're Leo DiCaprio." And I'm like, "Can I get a picture?" And he looked at me and he's like, "No thanks." And and it was cuz I but and I thought I I go, "God, that was kind of, you know, mean or whatever." Like but I think it probably gets a little bit annoying. But so I am so gracious with people all the time. Like I get stopped 10, 20 times even if like I'm trying to walk through a casino, you know, in a hurry or whatever to pee. And I always take pictures, always give out stickers and and keychains and different stuff like that. But sometimes, you know, you're not in the mood. You just lost 50 grand. Your wife's telling you to hurry up and get home. Maybe there's been one time where I was like less than friendly. I don't I I don't think so. I try not to be, but I'm telling you, someone I think it was like John Lennon said, "Everyone wants to be rich and famous. Trust me, it's better to just be rich. Um, so with regards to the crowds and the filming and stuff, it's super fun and it's super cool and it's super flattering and we love that everyone watches, but now we're more and more we're having to have like the casino manager or security or someone say, "Hey, wait till they take a break." Because if 10 people come up in the middle go, "Oh man, I love you guys." In the middle of our filming, it gets to be kind of weird on the video. So that's long answer to short question. My thought on it has always been like we love everyone and but when we're making a video, we have to prioritize the half a million people that are going to watch the video and we will take breaks when we can to talk to everybody that wants to say hi. But the crowds are cool, especially when we have a big bonus and everyone's yelling. Like they're not like interrupting our conversation, but they're cheering when we win. That's fun. Yeah, no one hates that. It's Yeah, 99% of the people are totally normal. Then there's that, you know, it's always the there's there's there's a couple bad apples that, you know, are strange, you know, it's always the ones like the with bad breath that want to tell you secrets, you know, got to get really close to you. It's like, what is it with people that just don't know how to floss that are insistent of talking so close to you? I've never understood that. For me, it's always the people that shake their hand but won't let go of your hand. Really bugs me. And they keep holding on to it and I kind of pull back, but they still like hang on to it. Or they hold your hand as they're telling you something. Oh, they won't let go until until you listen. Oh, let me and and then they keep holding it. I don't know. It's just it's interesting. But we love the we love the fans and everyone's so so cool. They come we watch you guys every day. We feel like we know you and like we, you know, we love it cuz Why do you think your audience is so dedicated? Because I've noticed of all the segments of YouTube, the the gambling channels have a very dedicated audience where people watch consistently every single video from start to finish. And these aren't short like five minute clips. I mean, these are like hour-ong videos daily. Yeah. Why? It's a great question. I probably should have a better answer as to why. I think there's a lot to it. uh they become invested in us as people because we really put ourselves out there. They're invested in the gambling storyline. How'd they do today? Did they get their 15,000 back? There's so much. And I think as someone who plays slots, they get invested in like as soon as you start playing, it's like, okay, well, are they going to get the bonus? And then they got the bonus. Now they have this extra 7,000. What are they going to do with it? So, it's like there's so many different things that just have such strong pull through through an entire video. Plus the personality, the conversation. There's a lot to it, I think. But again, I should have had a better answer for that and I should think about it more. Yeah. So, if it depends on if you're talking about Argar videos or like gambling videos in general, both. Yeah. I mean, like gambling videos in general. I just think like I watch them, you know, like I I watch the I watch the short form, you know, like which I think a lot of people just watch the short form and that's easy cuz it's like, oh, that guy bet $100,000 on a roulette spin. I'm gonna see if he won or lost because I like the reaction like when they win it's like ah when they lose it's like oh you know so so and it's only 30 seconds or 60 seconds you know for a short um the long form I think is a whole different animal you know someone's not going to watch a 60 minute or a 45minut video unless they're interested and like and so then to all of EJ's points you know like ours is a lot more than just gambling and we talk about everything what's the most you've bet on a single hand 2000 000 I believe 40 two hands of 20, remember? Yeah, they the table limit was 20. We We were being silly and like we lost like a $1,000 hand and then we okay, let's bet two and then we said, "Okay, let's bet four." I know that math doesn't make sense, but we might have jumped to like 10 or we maybe Yeah, we maybe we lost the four. So, we're we're we're out seven. So, we bet 10 and we kept losing. So, then we bet 20 and then we lost. So, we lost like five in a row and now we had lost almost $40,000. And so then we we decided we we had we're almost out of money. We we decided to bet 40,000 and we couldn't the table limit was 20,000. So each two of us did 20,000 each on a hand of Bakar. Yeah. Bakra and we won. But I mean we could have just as we had a 50/50 chance because because it it's never due. That's the m people think things are due. It's never due. No, I don't know what the world record is for number of, you know, player or banker hands or or hands where the dealer wins in blackjack, but it's a lot and it's more than you can double, but we got lucky and we won that hand for 40,000. What are your thoughts on online casinos? We are partners with FanDuel Casino and we do have thoughts on them. Yeah. Would you like to share them or do you want me to? I'd like to hear your thoughts about I think that in the United States there are only a few regulated real money online casinos. is FanDuel Casino. There are a few of FanDuel Casino's competitors. They're legal in five states. And everything else that is not that is operating in a sweep stakes gray area, which we do not want to venture into. So, like you can't gamble here in Vegas online. When we do make videos on FanDuel Casino, we have to fly to a state where it's regulated and then we set up and we play and it's a lot of fun. I think that just like anything, you have to be careful. You have to make sure you don't go outside of your budget and everything. The access to online is a little bit easier. So, you might want to even be more careful about it, but um it is fun. It's cool. And yeah, and also like you know the RTP, the return to player. Yeah, this is good. on online casinos, the legitimate ones, uh that again that you know just the states like what EJ said, the RTP is actually higher uh almost across RTP is return to player almost across the board. So like if I play the if you play the same game in the casino in a in a landbased casino versus online, you're actually have because they don't have the overhead, they don't have to pay dealers, they don't have to pay this, that the other thing like so they have a lot less overhead and they they actually pass through. Now, the player's still going to lose, you know, but if if you're like only losing 3% uh per spin instead of 8% per spin on an identical game, the online casino is actually the better move. I also like it cuz I can play in my pajamas. I also like it cuz nobody smokes. Uh, you know, there's a lot of things I like about it. I can play Ultimate X uh 10play bonus poker on my phone. I was playing they they sent us to a Detroit uh Pistons game and I was like on courtside. I don't really care about the game that much and it was a blowout. So, I was like playing video poker on my phone while I was watching the game and for real money for like like you can bet a lot. And um and then there's certain casinos that you know like I say that that are maybe like in in another country might be legal but not in the United States. So why why is it so like banned in all these states except for five? Like what's the reason behind that? I think the landbased casinos probably lo lobby very heavy against it. Yeah. It's all politics. Everything you everything you ask is is is all like these are not my decisions, sir. You know, like because because you got lobbyists, you got all this money in the land-based casinos, you know, and and it's like, oh, who's going to pull the strings, you know? It's all the it's all the the people who make the decisions. I think these are our senators and our congressmen and the president and so forth. and and it's all very complex. Every issue is extraordinarily complex. Like I remember in California, I was very confused. Uh I went to uh like I forget what Pachchunga resort they they didn't have dice. Like dice were not allowed in California, right? And so they'd use cards instead. And then I would look it up and see, well, okay, it's because it's on an Indian reservation. There there was some sort of regulation that was passed decades ago about not using dice. Imagine. Yeah, they have like roulette wheels with cards. I've seen them. They're weird, right? It's the same thing. Like, it doesn't make sense. Yeah. People will find a way around it. It's all It's all very complicated. And I'm I'm certainly glad that I don't make the decisions. But yeah, like why is it illegal legal in one state, not in another, you know, online gambling is huge in other countries, not here, only in five states, the other states, you know? I mean, there's interest, there's lobbying, and eventually it gets to the point where the lawmakers make the laws, and then all we have to do as the people of the citizenry of the world is follow the laws as they're written. If you can figure them out, Dana White's dream, as he said, is to put is to play $1 million hand. That's what he said. I don't know if he's been able to do that already. I saw that. He wants to he wants to have a 30 million line of credit and be able to play a million a hand against them. So, like he I think he would be able to get just $1 million handown probably, but I don't think anyone wants to take the action like a $30 million swing against him at those limits. It could ruin a casino's quarter. Like MGM I read uh or maybe was When you ask why not, you sound like a you sound like WBG cuz he knows he's like, "Well, we're winning. We would be have the edge against him." But but you could get beat like they're like for shareholders and stuff like that. It's just lucky. Like I mean you can have all the people sitting there playing a dollar a spin, you know, and drinking free cocktails and and so forth and so on and you have one whale that comes into the high limit room and beat you for $90 million. You got shareholders to report to and so forth. So, if Dana, who's a really lucky guy and, you know, he has just like leaves a charmed life, you know, knowing him, he'd get a $30 million credit line and he'd go in and he'd get on a total terror and he'd win like $100 million and like, you know, cause the stock price of that that casino to drop or something. That's probably what and then he'd probably never play there again. But like big gamblers will make deals with casinos where they will say, "I agree to play for this amount of time if you give me this limit and I'll play over a certain period of time and then they'll get those sort of deals approved." Wasn't there a guy who negotiated with the casinos slightly where it was in his favor and they never did that again? I read a story about this. I don't know if I've heard that story. He brought in like $20 million, but he said I'd play under these conditions and they really wanted this business. That's Phil Ivy. Is that Phil story? Uh he was I think there were the cards were marked slightly where he knew he had an edge. They weren't aware of it at the time. I don't think the casino I thought there were there's so many weird rules where it gave him like a quarter of a percentage point in his favor. But but they wouldn't think about it like the dealers can't hit on this soft 17 and again like we're not the encyclopedia of gambling. And by the way like we're not whales like we don't ever do any of these things that that huge gambles. These are whole different levels of people. There's two different things. Like he did did say like, "Okay, I want I mean something like I want an Asian dealer and I want uh this this brand of cards and I want, you know, whatever." Like he he had things that would like Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But what they didn't know is he he could look at the edge of the cards and tell if it was a face card or not or something like that. Again, this is this is public information, I believe. Like I'm not claiming that those are the exact facts, but I'm pretty sure that that's the essence of it. And I I know that there was a court case and so forth and they didn't pay him something or he was, you know, it was a it was not a happy thing for anyone involved. So if that's Dana White's dream is the $30 million line of credit and $1 million hands, what would you say the dream of Vegas Mad is? I like having fun and so like the my dream like we had so much fun in uh Michigan and we did an event called a night with Vegas Matt and it was a 1300 seat theater and we had a thousand people on the waiting list and uh we went in and I've always wanted to be a like a comedian entertainer. I was in the movie business briefly. I love being on stage and seeing my name in lights. was so fun. E bringing EJ up on stage and WBG and W2 Jesus, my whole crew and then all these nice people who, you know, came and and we had this the most fun. We gambled together. We all went out on the casino floor. The place had like one of their busiest nights in history. I enjoyed the heck out of that. And my dream would probably be to have a jet and cuz I don't like going through TSA and fly like from casino to casino at a reasonable pace like maybe like one a week or something like that, you know, and then just cruise around the world with my kid and my friends and and gamble and have a lot of fun. Like that's kind of fantasy-esque at the moment. not that terribly far off actually, but you know, and and I can see that happening, but gambling wise, like we've talked about a million-dollar hand for a million subscribers and I'd like to do it and we could do it. There's a 50/50 chance we'd either win or lose. You know, the thing we got concerned about is one, it is hard to find a casino that will take a million-doll hand. And then the other thing is is it would be amazing if we won. And I've talked to a couple casino owners and it's like, yeah, you know, it would be great if you guys won and then if you lost, it doesn't look good either, you know, and it is not good for either of us. And so that was a that was a dream that has not come to fruition. And I'm not sure that the million dollar hand will. Bet you could do $150,000 a hand and just do, you know, however many casinos or something at one or Yeah. I mean, there's a lot, but I just don't know that, you know, that we'd get the bang for the buck or what if it's worth it. You know, EJ comes up, this is the thing. He comes up with a new idea. He and WBG sometimes I have a little input with a new idea for something actually interesting to watch every single day. I mean, it's how many people have a a 45minute a day TV show 7 days a week for 750 days straight. It's there's a lot of creativity in that little brain of his. And so, he just keeps thinking of of ideas. And I'm sure we'll and if you guys come up with any great ideas, by all means, let us know. you know, we can execute as long as as long as it's legal and nobody gets hurt and there's What's your biggest insecurity? [laughter] Being asked a question I can't answer. Uh my biggest insecurity, I don't know. I think I got over most of them, but uh like I was I was pretty insecure about being like totally fat after that one podcast that where like they had like 10 cameras on my you know my jowls, so I like lost like 50 pounds. Like was that was that really the catalyst? Yes, you should have seen it. Did you get comments or anything? You're welcome. You're welcome if it's be funny. I've done this. You're welcome to pop it up like from that from Dylan's podcast. Like just find like the worst angle of me. I looked like a frog neck. I mean, it was absolutely I just was like, Matt, step away from the food, you know, cuz it's like I like went to Vegas. I gained a lot of weight because I like you get free food. Like I'll take the uh ribeye. Uh oh, the cream corn. Uh you know, can we get that seafood tower? That was really fun last time. Uh what else should we get? The scallop potatoes here are just unbelievable. Uh do you want some scallops as a side? Anyone else want anything? Anything at all? Like let's just cuz we just lost 20 grand. I want to eat 20 grand of food. And it's just like Yeah. So I don't know. I don't get too vulnerable here. So, I don't know what you know where you're going with that, doctor, but uh what you know, is there How did you lose the weight? Was it purely just cutting back on eating or was there like a workout routine or did you Well, I would like to I would like to have a sponsor uh for this, but I'll tell you what, I did make a lot of money on the stock of the company whose product I used to lose the weight and uh you know, it's like everyone else the shots, you know. Okay. Yeah. I mean, those things are I mean, I don't know probably bad side effects. I mean, don't don't blame me. I don't get paid by these people, but I'm just telling you that I wasn't hungry. You know what I mean? And it's like this is a Yeah, I know a few people who have weight loss secret and I'm just going to and this could be something you could clip. It's going to be a Here's Vegas Matt's weight loss secret. Don't eat a lot and move more and you will lose weight. Now, if you eat like a pig all the time and drink a bunch of alcohol and don't exercise, you're going to be fat. I don't know. Wise words. Yeah. No. And then and then that that that shot thing just makes it so you're just not hungry and so the weight just falls off. At least it also get rid of your urge to drink. Yes. Yeah. Cuz you just don't want to consume anything. Like it's it's interesting. Now it may end up causing us to all grow third eyes in the middle of our forehead. And like I don't know like drugs are bad. like it's better to probably just breathe pure oxygen, exercise, and listen to the people on Instagram. Yeah. There there was a thing about uh Ompic where they said it cut down on compulsions. Yeah. And I think gambling, believe it or not, was one of those things that it was proven in their studies to cut down on. Yeah. Didn't work for him. It hasn't worked on me yet. But uh yeah, that was Mjaro, I guess. It's fascinating like there's so much to discuss other than gambling. I mean, you guys ask good questions and I feel like we've gotten on fun topics, but it's just like, yeah, are drugs bad? Are, you know, like there every every discussion someone has to make these decisions. Are vaccines good or bad? Is is is it better to just be a vegan or is it better to eat nothing but animals? Like literally, you you have people that are on on both. Like someone says just don't eat any animal anything and you'll build more muscle like the vegan weightlifter. And then there's the liver king and they're both super passionate about what it is that they believe. I guess that's wonderful. We can believe what we want to believe or you know some people think better like I have a friend whose dad was a doctor and he literally believed in better living through chemistry. You know you had a problem he had a drug for it and he and he that's what he really believed. Like doctors believe like hey you got a problem here you know here's an anti-depressant here's a stimulant here's a weight loss shot. Here's this. And then there's others like my wife who are like, you wake up every morning at 5, you do Pilates, you have celery juice, you know, you drink uh all this other stuff. I mean, she's so dogone healthy, it's unbelievable. How long have you been married? Uh, April of 89, so 35 years. What are the secrets to a 35-y year marriage? Oh, well, I've my upcoming book on how to make excellent decisions is going to be coming out shortly. uh horse says the gambling degenerate. I you know I think marrying the right person is a very good I don't know I look back maybe when I was your age I was making really quality decisions and I didn't I was wise beyond my years you know like I mean I married a girl who was like honest and a girl who's was you know had a good moral compass and who was nice and kind and a good cook and uh it's a better answer than you usually give well what what am I supposed to Oh yeah I usually joke I mean I I was but I I don't know. I'm in a mood. I've been talking for like three hours. Get tired. I feel like Trump and Rogan here. Uh but I usually say just don't marry a a [ __ ] you know. And uh that's, you know, I I always try to be funny, you know. You got to be you got to be politically correct these days. He's that's why I have EJ, you know, like but I mean it's just true cuz like I see so many people that marry and then their marriage is just non-stop fighting and a jealousy and all this weird stuff that's like don't marry someone that you're arguing with constantly or that doesn't trust you or that is mean to you or whatever. Like you know like fall in love and live happily ever after. like it might take you a little while to find the right person, but they're out there and don't give up and you can always go on Tinder and I don't know that was another joke that didn't didn't land very well. Sorry. Must uh I don't know that. And then yeah, and I've also just been really lucky. I uh I'm actually am writing a book. Cool. And uh and it's basically called The Art of Being Lucky. And I think luck plays a role. It's a great name. Yeah. The art of being lucky. and uh 21 all-in moments in the life of Vegas, Matt. And I I can almost even talk about it now because it's like I got to read it. Yeah. Well, listen, I don't need you involved in my side projects. This I you had nothing to do with this book. This is my book. It's about It's not like 75% done. It's a lot of work to write a book. But it's the art of being lucky. So like and maybe I just got lucky and I found the right woman. I mean really what it boils down and also like it's not like I'm going to write a parenting book. Like yes, go gambling with your son. encourage them to have parties and then they'll grow up to make good decisions, you know, like I don't but I got lucky with had good kids. How has this changed your relationship together now? Like you're working with each other. I don't know that it's changed that much. Like our dynamic is still very the same. We give each other a hard time. We have fun. Maybe there are a few more serious moments, but I think all in all, it's the same it's always been. Do you ever get into creative disagreements? No, because I decide you have control over. Do you ever push back on some of I don't know his ideas? Not not really because otherwise I mean I'm smart enough to know that if I start getting involved in that then I'm going to have to be involved. You know what I mean? You've seen my aversion to politics, complicated decisions, you know, things like that. Like if I can avoid responsibility, I will at all. So like like they they come up with the titles, they come up with the concepts. I'm just a pretty face. I am now thanks to I think part of it is also we just want him to come and have fun. That's like if if he's able to have an authentically good time and never get sick of it, then that will keep it being entertaining. Wait, you got really mad at me and like we had like well like I'll drop like an Fbomb or whatever. Like I've lost my temper at him because like we're playing blackjack and and I'm just getting absolutely smoked. You know what I mean? Literally the dealer has a 10 up every single time. gotten like five blackjacks. I get 16, 15, 14. Bust every time. The rare occasion when the dealer has 16, they get a four or a five. I'm losing every hand. And I was like so mad. I took my hand and my chips and I banged it on the table like that. And my chips kind of went like this. And then EJ is like push like telling me not to exhibit bad behavior, you know? And I'm like, I just lost like $19,000, you little prick. you know, like that's happened, but then we don't hate each other forever. Like, but there have been moments. I mean, it's not like we have this like pristine little universe in the gambling world. Like, I mean, yeah, well, we get annoyed. I forget. There's I'm sure there's been countless other things he's done that have annoyed me, but I literally can't remember anything except for that one thing I just mentioned cuz it was like two days ago. Yeah. Is there any rivalry between like the gambling YouTubers together? Like, do you see each other at the casinos? you're like, "Oh, that that's so and so." Like, yeah, we see each other. There's no rivalry. Great. They're all really nice. There's one particular person who that nobody likes. Nobody that they don't like us. Um, but no, I think we have a philosophy that all ships rise with the tide. The larger we can grow the audience that is watching gambling content, the more that everyone will benefit. So, we're very friendly. Okay. Yeah. And also just we're friendly cuz we're friendly. Yeah, I mean like and it's a nice group, you know, and and some people have like a scarcity mindset and I and I learned you know in my personal development journey that never works like you know bundles ships rise I taught that and and then get along and help others and give more than you expect to receive and so yeah like we we all went up to Reno for NG uh is one is another big uh slot influencer. We went to his birthday party and everybody was there and we were all up all night gambling together, filming content, being on each other's lives and stuff like that and it's was a really nice community. Uh, everyone seems to get along great. Thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate this. Yeah, it was good times. Yeah, thank you. And we'll link to all your information down below in the description. Thanks so much for coming and thank you guys for watching. Till next time.