How Sophie Rain Makes (And Spends) $100,000,000 Per Year

Do you know what your net worth is today? >> No. No idea. >> If you had to guess, >> probably like 5 million. >> No. >> 20 million. 5 to 20. 5 to 20. >> No, it has to be more than that. >> I will go to my statistics. >> Hold on, dude. My heart's like speeding up a little bit. >> Do you know how much money she makes an hour? >> Oh, this is a slow month. In July, she only made 3.4 million. >> How much were you making that very first month? >> I think I [music] was making like a h 100,000. I think my first month I made 100,000. >> What was what was going through your mind? >> Oh my god, I'm gonna buy I'm gonna buy the entire world. >> It was [music] just crazy because I couldn't believe that you could even make this much. >> What's one of the biggest misconceptions out there that people say that you're like, "Oh my gosh, this [music] is not true." >> I don't really care like what gets put out there about me because I have thick skin. [music] Obviously, people are going to say what they want to say and they're going to believe what they want to believe because they hear certain things, but they don't know what happens behind closed doors. >> Have you ever done anything that is truly financially [music] irresponsible? >> Uh, yes. which is [music] Sophie Rain. Thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour podcast. >> Thank you for having me here. >> You've gone viral so so so many times. I've seen you on my feed because of this clip. You're with David Dori. You show him your OAF earnings. >> Yes. >> How much have you made so far on OAF? >> The last time I checked of all time. >> Yeah. >> Last time I checked it was 100 million. >> Can we see that? Of course. I just want to see what that looks like. >> This has been just like a big thing that everyone's arguing online about that it's not fake and everything. So, I'm going to show you guys here in person that it is real. >> Are you not worried about showing people how much money you make? >> Definitely was a big concern of mine, but at this point, like it's out there. I've been trying to prove for so long that this is how much I'm actually making and no one believes me. So, I'm on the site and you can see that I'm not faking anything. I'm going here. I will go to my statistics if it will load and then this is the last 30 days. I'm going to hit all time and these are the two like so this is the gross >> there's just wow wow >> and then like you can see that it's not a screenshot it's real. >> Hold on, dude. My heart's like speeding up a little bit. >> Okay, that's just completely unbelievable. From what I can tell, it seems authentic. >> I mean, it's it's real. I don't see why. Uh >> who what are people saying? Why are they saying you're you're making it up? Or how can they claim that you're making it up? >> They say that I'm photoshopping it and everything and that I'm lying about how much I make just cuz I don't know. I want to seem cooler, I guess. But I have no reason to lie. Everything I put out online is intentional. Like I don't I wouldn't, you know, lie to anyone about that. >> Does that worry you, though? But showing that much money and then now you become a target to people. >> I mean, not really. I have a really good financial adviser that like keeps me in lock and most of my money is in investments. So like I'm not really too worried about >> What about the amaranth situation where someone tried to like break in and like steal your crypto >> and I'm not into crypto? I'm not in crypto. >> The idea out there is that you make more than LeBron James. What do you think about that? >> Um it's honestly unbelievable. Um I'm waiting every single day to like wake up from this dream because it just doesn't seem real. But, you know, we're on very opp we do very different things obviously. And I think that he's a great basketball player and he deserves as much wealth as he gets, but you know, we're just two top earners. I don't know. >> So, this makes you the top earner of OAF, >> I believe. So, yes. I mean, obviously, I don't know just because other people don't put out how much they make, but it says like on OAF that I'm in the 0.1%. >> What do you think is the biggest misrepresentation of who you are? Um, right now I think a lot of people believe that I make money off of my friends in the bop house. That is a big misconception. I don't make money from anyone besides myself. I think that we're all just there to kind of support each other and, you know, help each other raise our income. And I think that that gets miscommunicated to the audience that I'm making money off of them because I'll sit there and I'll repost all of their posts. I'll post it like as if it was mine or something just trying to get more traction on their pages. And that's all I'm trying to do is just support my friends. But people think that I'm making money off of them and that is not true whatsoever. A lot of people also think I'm pregnant. I'm not pregnant. >> Where did that get started? >> I think I got like just a little heavier. You know, I was eating good one week and then people said I was pregnant, but I'm not pregnant. >> Do you lean into that sometimes to be like, "Oh, maybe I am. I don't know." No. And then it gets But doesn't that get more traction? >> It definitely would. It definitely would. I was thinking about it, but then again, I try to be as real as I can with my audience. So I was like this just just not a good idea. >> So to earn over hund00 million does not mean that you have 100 million because there are platform fees and then of course taxes. >> How much do you pay in taxes? >> I pay a lot in taxes. I pay 37% of federal taxes and I paid 83 I made 83 million last year total. So I paid 37% of that. >> And then what do you do with like $40 million left over? >> I invest it. So, I have currently I'm in the process of getting three properties. I have two about to have a third in Florida and I invest it and as much as I can. I'm right now investing into my farm. I have cows that I take care of. I want that's that's my dream is I want to own like a cattle ranch. So, I have 12 cows right now that I'm working with on a 20 acres and that's what I do in my free time. >> I'm just honestly in complete shock and like dismay cuz these numbers are they're insane. We meet with some of like the best respected business owners out there who have built their entire career 30 years >> rappers >> and then they have like 200 million bucks but it's taken them like 30 years to get that with like prudent investing. >> Oh yes. Oh yeah. And I think that's like where a lot of the misconception also comes with OAF is that you know obviously everyone thinks that it's an adult site but it's not an adult site. You can do anything with your content on there. It's just it's just a subscription page. So, I know people who like who have cooking channels on there and they sell their recipes. And I think that's the great thing about you can do whatever you want on there and make a living off of it. And it's just it's just the new digital world nowadays. Like, it's constantly evolving. And it's just it's I think it's great cuz people can come on here without having to invest $5 million into this one company trying to get 10% stock or whatever. You can make your own income just being you online. >> I mean, Graham had an OF for a while. >> Oh my gosh. I did briefly. good. >> No, I shared uh stock tips and like basically what I was buying, what I was buying personally. I was dollar cost averaging into the markets and I said, "Hey, as a joke, I'm going to start an only and I'll post what I'm buying on there." And I got a few people that signed up, but they all wanted pictures of me. >> So interesting. >> And then they just immediately unsubscribed. >> Did you send any pictures? >> No. >> Oh, >> are you sure? >> I'm pretty sure some dude wanted Jack's uh shoes. >> Yeah, they a guy offered to buy my shoes. is they ask for feet pics like online. >> I mean there's something for everyone out there, you know. People are constantly trying to find their niche, I think. >> And what were you doing before OAF? >> I was a server. I served for 2 years at a restaurant. It was a little mom and pop Italian place. I hosted, I cooked, I bartended, I served, I did all the I did I was, you know, full range. I could do everything there. >> Did you enjoy that life? >> Oh my god, I loved it. I loved it so much. My friend had to beg me to quit so I could like focus on social media. >> So why would you then pivot to social media if that was a life that you truly claimed to love? >> I pivoted to social media because I saw a lot of my friends doing it. And honestly, I wanted something out of my life cuz I knew I wasn't I couldn't serve forever. Obviously, that's just not something I wanted to do. And I grew up in a very poor household. My parents were constantly paying like living paycheck to paycheck. And I wanted to make money. And obviously social media I was thinking is the way to go because it was right after co everyone you know that's when everyone was blowing up on TikTok and everything and I was like you know what I could do this like I think I would be fine I have pretty thick skin like I think I could do it and ever since then it's been history. >> Did you worry about the stigma with all the time? >> 100%. Um, it was obviously a concern. Like a lot of people, they know what OAF is obviously, but I think that my main goal here is to try to dissolve that stigma just because you can do anything on the site and it's not always like I don't do any hardcore stuff on the site. And I think that a lot of people have that misconception just because they hear the word OF and they immediately think Bonnie Blue, you know, like stuff like that. >> But I love the site. you can do anything you want on there and you know there's room for everyone. >> Why did you do so well? >> I think it was a lot of consistency. Um, another thing that I've noticed like being around a lot of other girls in the industry is I don't really care like what gets put out there about me because I have thick skin. Obviously people are going to say what they want to say and they're going to believe what they want to believe because they hear certain things but they don't know what happens behind closed doors and I know in my heart like what I'm doing and that makes me happy. So I don't really care about what people say on my behalf online. >> And so you quit the serving job to do OAF or to do social media? Okay. So it was directly from that to OAF. Yes. And then why did you >> I started social media first and I was posting on TikTok for probably a good two months, 3 months, just gaining some traction and then once I had like a big enough audience that's when I started. >> So how big of an audience did you have? >> It wasn't it wasn't major. I think maybe like a million followers on TikTok. >> That's pretty good. >> It was it was great. like it's I'm grateful for everything and like I'm so happy to be where I am today and it's because of all of my fans. But yeah, I started doing Tik Toks at first and then I did. >> And then when and why did you decide to do OAF? >> Well, my sister was doing OAF and um a lot of my people, a lot of my friends were also doing it like my cousin Aisha, she was doing it. And I asked them, I was like, you know, like what what is it? Cuz I didn't know what was at the time. They were all doing it. And um I you know I wanted to try it out and I did it and I fell in love with it. It was a lot of fun. I found self- loveve doing that like being on the site cuz at first like this was right after co like I was depressed obviously and like everyone was just stuck inside. It was a crazy time and I hated myself and I started off and I like I'm so happy now. Like I'm I'm so glad. >> What did you hate about yourself? I I mean I was in high school obviously just like cliche teenager stuff like I didn't like the way I looked and I feel like everyone thinks that about themselves obviously but doing this like I've just found a lot more selfcon confidence like I would never be here 2 years ago like I I could I could not do this. >> Why is that? >> Just cuz I was insecure. I was scared. But like growing up and being on the website and doing social media like it really has taught me a lot and I'm so happy where I am. And I wouldn't change I wouldn't change it for anything. >> So the other people doing only in the beginning, what were they making? Were they showing you their earnings and saying like, "Hey, you just made like six grand." >> Um, not not really. I don't think anyone showed me their earnings directly, but I've obviously like I've heard word of mouth like, you know, Cardi B's on the side. She's making $800 million or whatever she's making. And like I thought that I could take that avenue and make some money and here I am. On the topic of confidence, I'm curious, is it the money like to have FU money? Does that make you confident? Because a lot of people it does. So that would be totally reasonable because you have nothing to lose. You can just insulate yourself with your finances. Or is it through all of the failures that you went through in order to get to this point? The hate that you see online, you've had to develop a shell. What would you say it is? >> I honestly think it's the people who truly support me. Like the good comments that I see. I see a lot of a lot of people that love me and they comment like, "You're, you know, I'm so beautiful or whatever." And I think those comments, you know, obviously helped me learn to love myself a little more. But also just growing up, like I'm a little older now. I know a lot more that I've I've learned so much doing this. I've learned more than I've ever learned in school. Like I never knew, you know, about taxes and all that stuff. I know how to do all this stuff now. I have a really great financial adviser who, you know, shows me everything step by step, how I should use my finances and what I should invest in and stuff like that. So, I definitely think it has a little bit to do with the money, but I also think that it's just I found who I am by posting online because obviously in the beginning like I was just doing these little Tik Tok dances and now I'm kind of evolving more into my own personality online and people love that. And I think that that definitely boosted my confidence just knowing that like people are actually act like supporting me and they love me for who I am. And you know I'm just >> a lot of people they do not like receiving those sorts of compliments like from some women. Yes. Sometimes I do surprisingly talk to women. Those women have said to me that they don't like it when they're like walking on the street, hey you're beautiful. Hey, you know you look nice today or whatever. What makes this any different? How have you utilized that to gain confidence instead of the other people that sometimes do not like it? Well, I think that regardless, like people are going to say what they want to say at the end of the day. Like you can never if I'm going to walk on the sidewalk, of course someone's going to yell at me. That's just society nowadays. And I think that instead of like looking at it in a negative light, you just keep keep walking. Move on with your day. Take the compliment. Like it's it's okay. Now, obviously, if it's something crazy like cat calling and like, "Oh, blah blah blah." Obviously, like that's a little crazy. Don't do that. But I feel like it's different on social media also because like on social media I'm obviously intentionally posting for those compliments, you know. >> You know what's hilarious? I'm going to get reamed for saying this, but you remind me of Leila Hormosi. And and let me justify it because do you know who Alex Hormosi is? >> Our world. Alex Hormoszi is like the the god of business. >> Okay. >> Business, entrepreneurship, finance, stuff like that. His wife, Leila Horoszi, she came on the podcast. We were talking about being impervious to like the world around you. And if people say mean things, you're like whatever. I'm going to continue doing my own thing. She gave a story where she's walking with Alex. Someone bumps into her and they say, "Watch out, skinny bitch." And a lot of people can be like, "Oh, what the heck?" And like spike their cortisol and get all angry and escalate the situation to a place it doesn't need to go to. Or in her case, she was just like, >> "That's funny. You think I'm skinny?" >> And so she took it as a compliment. >> And because of that, the situation ended up resolving itself and it was everything was totally fine. And it's just about being impervious to like any sort of stimulus. Like yes, turning anything into a positive experience. >> I agree. And that's that's what I try to do all the time because like I think that's the only way I get through things just because like I know what it's like to be depressed and sad. I've been in and out of depression and I just don't want to live my life like that. Like why would I try to make myself stressed? Why would I try to make myself feel bad about something someone else said? cuz like clearly they have something going on in their life that they're, you know, I think that we just need to spread more kindness around cuz there's just so much bad going on in the world. Anyways, >> people usually writing the hate comments are always trying to punch up at someone else who's doing better than them and it's never the people who doing better than you who are like I want them down. >> Mhm. I just >> usually >> Yeah. >> When you decided to do right in the beginning, >> Yes. >> How much were you making that very first month? >> I think I was making like a h 100,000. I think my first month I made 100,000. What was what was going through your mind? You making 100,000. >> I I could not believe it. I genuinely could not believe it. I thought that like, oh my god, I'm going to buy I'm going to buy the entire world. Like obviously like I I went from having no money to 100,000 in my first month on. And I think that it was really eye opening. Um it was just crazy because I couldn't believe that you could even make this much through doing being on on the internet. But I'm just very grateful and I got I got I'm very happy where I am. It was a lot of work. So, I notice a lot of bling on you right now. I see the SR on your fingers. I don't know what watch that is, but that I'm assuming that's not fake gold. >> No, it is. It's fake. >> Everything's from Amazon. >> Really? >> Everything's from Amazon. >> I was about to ask if it was fake, but like >> these are fake. Everything. This is like the only real piece I have, I guess you could say. And I got it from Revolve. It was like 120 bucks. >> So, that's actually so real because no one would ever assume that you're wearing fake jewelry. >> Oh, no. I I wear fake jewelry. >> So, you can get away with it. Just buy all fake and everyone would assume it's real. >> Yeah. >> I I I don't believe in like buying like real jewelry like that just because I also lose jewelry like no tomorrow. Like I these this is not going to exist next week. Like I'm going to just misplace it and forgot where it was and lose it. 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So we just, you know, I went to school, go to went to sleep, went to school, went to sleep. Like I we didn't go out and do anything. So I think that having money I immediately obviously wanted to go spend it and um I did I bought a lot of purses which >> in your first month? >> In my first month. >> How many purses? >> I think I bought seven in my first month. >> And from where? >> I love I love bags. >> From where? >> Louis Vuitton Gucci. >> Do you give you a deal when you buy so many of them? >> No. I wish I wish >> what if you buy like 10. You don't think that you would just say hey give me a little discount of spend 100 grand? You would think. >> How much did you spend that first month? >> Oh, like I don't know off the top of my head, but it had to have been around like 50. Like definitely like half of it. Like I went crazy. >> Oh. Did it feel good? >> It felt really good. [laughter] It felt really good. It was It was great just because like I don't know. It was different. Like I've never I've never had money before in my life. So like being able to actually like buy something I wanted to buy without, you know, having to just want it. It was It was amazing. How quickly did your lifestyle adjust to those earnings and your your mental as well? Like at what point were you like, okay, I I am making this amount of money. This does not feel like it's a dream. >> Honestly, probably like around a year ago, like it became very real for me because I just bought my first house a year ago. I before then I was just living in apartments going back and forth, but I bought my first official house and that's the 20 acres that I live at now. It's my farm. And I think that was like the main eye opener like oh my god, I can afford a house. It's like I never thought I was going to ever be able to buy a house one day and now I own two. So it's >> How much was the house? >> My house that I live at currently was 1.3. >> And what about the 20 acre one? >> That's the 20 20 acres. >> 20 acres was 1.3. And then I have a lake house that was 2.3. >> How do you ensure that people don't find the address of the house and like show up? >> They do. >> Do you have 24-hour armed guards security and everything? >> I do. Yes, I do. >> How often do people show up? Um, no one has showed up yet, but I've gotten lots of threats to show up. And I've had I've been swatted before at my house. I've had police called multiple times. It's just living in the state of Florida. Everything's public records. So, >> what's that like getting swatted? >> Oh, it was terrifying. And and like the way that it happened, too, it was just disgusting cuz I was just at home. It was late at night. It was like 7 or 8 or something. And I'm just on my couch and I get a call from my dad and he's like, "This person is like texting all of our family members. like what's going on? And it was like very serious threats. Like it was very disgusting behavior. And um so I'm I'm like reading all this. I'm on the phone with my dad. Everything's like kind of going on at once. And then at my front door and I'm immediately I'm like, "What's going on?" So I open the door and it's a police officer and it he's like like we got to call like are you you know are you okay? We got to we have to check on you. Your dad called. And I was like no I'm on the phone with my dad right now. And then he was like, "Okay, well, I just have to check the house, make sure everything's good, blah, blah, blah. He can't. He came, whatever." He left. And as soon as he left, I got on the phone with my lawyer because obviously I knew something's something's happening and like people are leaking my address. And as soon as I got on the phone with my lawyer, my power cut off. >> So I'm like, "Oh my god." Like I started freaking out. And then immediately my lawyer was like, "Oh, are you sure that was a real police officer?" >> Just what I was thinking. >> And immediately I went to my bathroom. I was like, "I don't know." He didn't show me his badge or anything. Like now that I'm thinking about it, I didn't see anything. And um it it was just all a coincidence like my neighbor's power also turned off. It was a real police officer. And then the next day I got a call from the FBI um because I they already I filed reports and everything so they knew everything was going on. And I got a call from the FBI asking if I was building a my house and I obviously am not building a bomb my house >> but yeah that's been that's been fun. They were on the way to my house. They didn't actually go into my house but they came to my property. Couldn't you buy the property in an irrevocable trust with with a lawyer on title and then your name doesn't show up? >> So, these are the things they don't teach you in school, you know, like I had to learn that obviously afterwards after I bought my house and now that I already bought my house, I would have to resell it and then buy it again if I wanted it under the trust. >> Not even even if you do that, that's what I've >> It's still No, it's still going to show on title because what people could do is do basically a back search and they could say, "Oh, wait a second. She used to live here and now all of a sudden it's in a trust. She didn't sell it. >> So, >> so it's just your next house, you could do it completely anonymously. >> Yes. And that is my plan. And I now know all of this, you know, I know ways to protect me because I've also contacted the uh my county to like try and get all of my records removed and everything because like I just everything's online. And they said that they're working on it, but I they're not going to do it. >> Yeah. I was going to say I don't think they're doing it, but it's whatever. It's fine. It's just it comes with the industry, you I would highly recommend you set up an irrevocable trust and get everything out of your name. >> I have one now. I do have one now. All of my everything's under it. All of my vehicles. Um >> I do have one really nice ring and that's under it. Um I bought it from Gucci. It was like their I don't know what collection it was, but that was the one jewelry that I have not lost yet because I refused to wear it cuz I know I'm going to lose it. I think it was just a ring and I think it was 14 I think it was 14,000. That's actually I thought you were about to Yeah. Yeah. Come on. >> Okay. We had Christine. You probably don't know who she is. We had her on the podcasting spent what? On a ring. She spent 1.3 million or something. >> Yes. On a ring. >> Okay. I feel a lot better about my 14. >> Technically, you could. >> I technically could. You're right. But I I like I see I feel like that would be silly for me to do. >> Have you ever done anything that is truly financially irresponsible? >> Um yes. which is >> um I believe that when I bought my dream car, I should have just waited because I've lost a lot of it lost a lot of its value. But you know what? It's okay cuz it's my dream car. I'm probably never going to sell it. >> What is it? >> It's a Porsche a 2024 Porsche GT3 RS. >> What did you pay for it? How does it lose that much? >> I paid 500,000 for it. >> And what's it worth now? >> I think it's worth like 400, maybe like 350. >> So these really aren't that bad. Does that bother you? >> I mean, no, not really. cuz I know I'm never going to sell it. >> I don't even think that's financially responsible. No. Like >> I shouldn't I shouldn't have bought it when I did cuz like I bought it like I should have definitely bought a house first. I that was the first thing I bought was my biggest purchase. >> Why? >> Because I was like you know what like I I made it. I was I think this was like 6 months maybe a year into doing OAF and I wanted something for myself cuz I haven't I hadn't bought anything like big for myself besides obviously like little purses and here and there. So I bought my dream car and that was that. Even your most financially irresponsible irresponsible thing is not even as close to my most irresponsible finan >> my probably my Tesla. I bought a Tesla for 58. >> I told him not to buy. >> Don't even get started with me right now, Graeme, because you told me not to buy a house and I bought the house and that worked out. So he always thinks I got lucky. >> I bought the Tesla. It was 58 when I got it and now like 3 or 4 years later it's probably worth like >> 25. Yeah. I don't. So like have value in I guess obviously the numbers are different but also the income is different and so but still congratulations. I mean I applaud that. It sounds like >> Thank you. I love her. She's my baby. She sits in the garage most of the time. But >> how many cars do you have now? >> I have my Porsche. I have Cadillac Escalade V. That's my mom car. I have a Raptor R. I have a mini truck that is like my farm truck. It's like the little Japanese cars with the the steering wheels on the other side. >> Um, >> that is so cool. >> And then I have two business trucks. >> Is it like the KI truck? Like the little cab in the front and then like >> Yes. Yes. Like the little flatbed. I wrapped it pink. I love her. She's so amazing. >> That's my favorite car. That's my favorite car. >> I I had it imported from Japan. >> Yeah. Okay. So, I actually looked into getting these as well. There's a guy that lives in Salt Lake and his whole job is like buying these, importing them from Japan, and then restoring them. They're really cheap. You can get one of them for like a few thousand. >> I think I bought mine for two, like 2,000. >> But then you had to pay the import fees and everything. >> Yep. Mhm. >> I mean, that's still an impressive car collection. It's very diverse, which is nice. And then jewelry. >> Yes. >> To pocket watch. What's up with the jewelry? >> This is it. This is all you have aside from the ring. >> Yeah, this is it. >> You put on all of your jewelry today in like one go. >> I'm not even Well, I have like like these little like belly chains that I wear sometimes if I'm in like a bikini. It's like just that. But literally everything's from Amazon. I'll lose this within a week and I'll just go on Amazon and buy new bracelets. >> I feel like you would lose it because you bought it so cheaply, but if you got something more expensive like that ring, then you'd protect it. >> No, like I've And I I've had really nice jewelry before. Like I used to have Van Clee bracelets. I used to have Louis bracelets, Louis rings. Like I used to be decked out in it and it's all gone. Every single piece is gone. >> How do you know it's lost and not stolen? >> Cuz I'm very irresponsible with misplacing things. I always >> But maybe you put it down and then someone else comes and just like >> I mean that is also a possibility. That definitely is a possibility. Um but I don't you know I believe that there's good people surrounded by me and that no one would try to steal anything from me. I just think I lose it very often cuz like sometimes I'll just take it off, throw it in my purse and then my purse tips over and it falls out of my purse and then I don't pick it up if I don't see it, you know? I definitely think that's that's how I lost a lot of my jewelry. >> Would you say money buys happiness? >> Um [sighs] yes and no. I feel like that is a very fine line. Um, money definitely has made me a lot happier, but I think that there's a lot inside that people still need to work on that money just cannot help whatsoever. So, I obviously think like yes, money is nice because you don't stress about certain things like I don't stress about bills or anything. And I think that's very nice, but I also stress about other things that everyone stresses about like family issues, like other things, relationship, this and that. So, I think that there's like a fine line between that and there's no right or wrong answer. >> What's your biggest stress today? Honestly, right now going to go see my grandparents. I've been meaning to go see my grandparents and it's been stressing me out because I haven't had time to go. I've been traveling from place to place and that's really stressing me out. So, I think I'm flying home tonight. I'm going to go straight there. I'm not even going to go home. I'm going to just go straight to my grandparents house cuz I need to see them. >> Do you have a close relationship with your family? >> I do. I do. >> A lot of people speculate that in order for a girl to do OAF, then they have a fractured relationship with their parents and it's sort of like a defiant nature. What do you think about that? >> I don't think that's true at I think it's all part of the stigma that people have created for OAF people and I have a really great relationship with my family like definitely and I'm not going to sit here and lie at first it was not good when I obviously started I introduced I talked to my mom and she wasn't happy about it but I showed her what I'm doing online I'm being very safe I have a great group of people around me and she was supportive after one conversation like she just I think that she just didn't understand it also and I think a lot of people still don't understand >> and what about your dad >> he's he loves He loves it. He doesn't mind at all. Like he knows what I'm doing exactly. They watch my Tik Toks. My mom actually just texted me earlier talking about my new Tik Tok that I posted with Tara's World. And um they're very supportive. My grandparents know what's going on and everything. >> Did they ever give you any sort of warning of like, hey, these are like the downsides >> or were they overall pretty supportive? I think when we had our initial conversation, they definitely had a lot of concerns and they were telling me their concerns, but I could I told them obviously like this is not a concern for me. Like this is how I see it and I'm being very safe and I'm surrounded by great people. Like I would obviously never put myself in harm's way if I you know if I can avoid it, I'm going to avoid it. But they're all very supportive. >> So why why do people have the stigma with because from my perspective it's really no different than like a swimsuit model. >> Mhm. >> And those seem to be celebrated. Well, hold on a second. I think we need >> Are we diverging? >> No, no, no. I think when you're saying a swimsuit model, I mean, OAF is primarily used for like, you know, it's most of the people use it for that. So, I I I don't want to like technically misre >> I know, but everyone gets lumped in the same category. >> That's true. And I think that's where a lot of the stigma comes from is like like I I obviously don't do anything heavily like like on there. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to say it. Um I everyone just thinks that I'm out here doing like Bonnie Blue type stuff, but really I'm not. Like I'm just very I'm very I keep it very natural on my site. Like I don't do anything crazy. I love the content I post out there. People love the content I post out there. And I think that the stigma just comes from years of, you know, obviously and all of these other sites, you know, there's just there's always been adult content out there. And I don't think that that will ever change in anyone's eyes, but I, you know, I'm here to tell you guys it can. Only OAF is very different. >> Um, it can be anything you want it to be. Like truly, like it's not all content on the site. 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I'm trying to promote you know joining OAF. That's obviously not what I'm doing at all. I've made multiple videos on the pros and the cons of OAF and why you should join it and why you should not join it. But I also think that like it shouldn't have to be this serious discussion. like it's it's 2026 like you know the Epstein finals are out like who cares like do what you want to do like do what makes you happy and this makes me happy and I'm you know I'm confident in my and everything. >> So what are the main pros and cons of starting an OF >> starting an O of I mean I think my main con was finding confidence like I really I if y'all met me like 3 years ago I'm a completely different person like I've just gained so much confidence from doing this obviously money is a great con. You can make money on it >> like a pro. A pro. Yes. Sorry. A pro. Um is a great pro. >> That's that's a big con. >> That's a big con also. Um and some cons are obviously like privacy. Like you get your privacy invaded. I really try very hard to like have a private life and then also post the kind of content I want to post on social media just because everything I do is intentional. And then when I go home, I know that like I can turn that I can turn my phone off and I can fall back and you know not have to worry about these people judging me or doing this or that or whatever just because I keep it very separate. And I think that's, you know, a lot of people fail doing that and then they get lost in social media. So I definitely advocate that a lot to make sure that you can fall back on something when it gets too hard online because I mean I I can sit here and say all the time that like you know the hate comments don't get to me, but it's tiring also. Like it's just tiring posting online every single day. Like it's it's just human nature, you know? Like you can't it's it's just repetitive. And it's nice that I can go be at my farm, play with my cows, and not have to worry about anything. >> What do you say to those who argue there is an imbalance of power between the creator and the consumer? Because usually the consumer is going to be sort of intimately involved in the experience. And for them it may be consensual but if they're psychologically or mentally disadvantaged in that relationship because for you it's a transaction for them a lot of the times it can be a little bit more than that it's like a transaction it's also some semblance of a relationship then there is this sort of like imbalance of power and a lot of money is there to be made in that imbalance of power. What do you say to that? >> I think a lot of it is just mis a lot of people aren't educated online. I think um it's very there's just so much that happens on social media and it's changing every single day and I think a lot of these people, you know, like anything on the internet is dangerous. It's, you know, YouTube can be dangerous, Tik Tok could be dangerous. It just depends on how you use it and you have to use it, you know, with intention. And I think that's that's all I try to do. >> Due to the nature of your content, what does the average fan interaction look like? Because for us, it can be quite pleasant. Like someone can just be like, "Yo, [clears throat] what's up, man? Love the pod. You do a great job out there. Awesome. Keep it up." I'm like, "Oh, thanks." And that's it. >> Sometimes pictures, sometimes this, sometimes that, but it's usually very chill. I imagine with you it could be a little bit more unique. >> It's It's definitely unique. A lot of people think that just come up to me and touch me whenever they want to. >> Have people tried that? >> 100% people have. And um I think that's definitely like a con that I'd like to say out there. Like obviously these men, they see you online and when they see you in person, they're obviously going to think that they can do anything. And um it's just not okay to just go up and like touch someone randomly. I just don't think that's okay regardless if I'm online or not. But a lot of my fan interactions are actually really great. Like a lot of them just know me from TikTok and they'll come up, they'll ask for a picture, they'll ask how what I'm doing here, how's my day going. I'll normally ask them what's a good place to go around here because most of the times they're locals. And it's great. I love meeting new people just because I can get that kind of information. >> Do you travel with security? >> I try to. I definitely try to. I don't though normally. >> That would be spooky for me. >> Mhm. Yeah. It's it's it's crazy. It's definitely crazy, but I I take the good with the bad, you know? I'm I'm so grateful to be here and like I would never I don't regret anything. I would never change anything. So like, you know, I'm just happy to be alive. Why do you think so many people believe that like is harming society? >> Well, I think a lot of it is the stigma also. I think like anything on the internet it can be harmful and the way you use it. A lot of people think that a site like and it is just not. And I I tell I say this in every podcast, every interview I do like it is just such a big platform that you can do anything you want. And I've made like I've built a business from doing this. It's like I've I just think a lot of people, you know, they look at it in a negative light and I think that it's a lot of misinformation that they have and they just need to >> do you think it's harmful? >> I mean, I definitely think it's harmful in certain ways. Like, it depends on how you use it. >> So, what would be a harmful and a not harmful way of using it? >> I mean, obviously, like if you're heavily addicted to porn, like it's definitely an issue. I'm Christian. So like it's it's just not good to be heavily addicted to but I also think it's human nature. Like obviously like >> you can't I I mean like everyone does it. I feel like like everyone has looked at something before >> and I just think it's human nature and I think that we shouldn't deny that. >> That would be a nonharmful way of viewing it is just like casually perusing is what you're saying. >> I mean not like casually perusing. I think that it's it it's the way that you use it. Everything on the internet is different. And I think, you know, if you're going to look at these models in a negative light, obviously like that's not okay. But every I just feel like it doesn't have to be that way. Like it's 2026. Like free the tit. Like what happened to that? Like I think that it's fine. And I don't think that it should be a looked down on thing. Like >> what about what Bonnie Blue is doing cuz you brought her up. >> Yes. >> What are your thoughts on that? >> I mean like that. And then here's where the picture comes in that it's just a giant spectrum. like you can you can do whatever you want on the website and you know if that's what she wants to do and if she's comfortable with that and if she's happy then like all power to you like do that. I would never personally do that. I think it's crazy but I also like like if she's happy I don't see anything wrong with it. >> Are you insecure at all about the potential consequences of of the work that you do? Like what? >> Like I mean inevitably I'm sure that even in the messages or with some people that have subscribed to your of you've probably had a couple choice encounters where in the beginning like you see that their life is like maybe like normal and then maybe they can go down like a rabbit hole and then had a really unhealthy relationship with it and then years later they're like, "Oh my gosh." You know, like paying for absolutely everything. Like you probably experienced this being a creator on the platform. >> Yes. Um, well, I obviously don't have controls like over other over other people's actions. Um, we're all adults at the end of the day. We can all make decisions for ourselves. And I think that if you're just not well educated, that's that's I can't do anything about that. I'm sorry. I'm posting content out there for that reason for people to buy. And I think I'm, you know, I'm doing that and I'm successfully. >> So, you would say it's up to the consumer to determine what is right and wrong for them? >> 100%. I I do believe that just because I know like what values I have and I you know I'm a Christian and everything and I know what I post out there and everything's intentional and I think that people online they obviously they get too invested into it sometimes and you know like I just I think that we need a lot of ed like we just need to be more educated. >> What does Christianity mean to you? >> Um I grew up Christian my entire life. I just I remember like that was the one thing I had in my life was my relationship with God. And honestly, like we have a great relationship. I I know I make mistakes every day. Like everyone's sins and you know, we're just we're we're tight. You know, he's got me. If anything fails, he's got me. >> Do you think that like to juxtapose your job as a creator on OAF with some sort of Christianity, like there could be some sort of contention there? >> I don't believe so. I don't look at it like that at all. And I just think like I think it's just outdated and a lot it's the stigma that people are just continuously thinking like this. Like I truly don't believe that there it's not conflicting with my my religion at all. >> Have you like how would you say that it's not conflicting and this is not by any means trying to be like any sort of accusatory. In fact, I'm agnostic. I'm not even like religious. I'm just trying to understand because I hear a lot of stuff from some Christian friends and then like to to think about how that relates to content made on OAF. I'm seems there seems to be some sort of dissonance there. >> I think that religion is personal. Everyone has a different with my values on other people. Um I know my relationship I have with God. Like if I sin, I know that he will forgive me. And if I wasn't meant to be here, I wouldn't be here. You know, like he wouldn't have put me in this position. And I know what I'm doing is, you know, he we're good. Like I know that if I wasn't supposed to be where I am today, he would make it known because he's done that before in my life. >> And where do you draw the moral line and like where do you draw your boundaries? >> I mean obviously like when I don't like something, I just won't do it. Um if I'm uncomfortable, I'm not going to do it. I don't I know my boundaries, but I don't like I don't see anything morally incorrect with it or anything if that's the question. Is there anything you see that's maybe morally questionable that's going on with OAF? Because I see a lot of creators getting some backlash and also a lot of uh publicity for signing up like the day they turn 18. >> Mhm. Um I mean like I they're adults. I think that they can make their own decision on, you know, whatever they want to do in their life because it's their life. Like anything on the internet can be harmful in its own ways. It's just really depends on the way you use it. >> Where do you draw the line personally morally with what you do? I don't really I don't that's like kind of a loaded question. I don't really know like how to answer that. >> Like it maybe there's been an offer presented to you, but you drew you said no, I'm not willing to do that. >> Um I mean it's definitely happened before. I just do what I'm comfortable with. >> Do you think society judges the creators more than the consumers? >> 100%. 100%. Um I definitely think that the creators get all the backlash and not the consumers, but also like there's just there's so many consumers also. Like, how could you ever, you know, blame them because they're the ones buying the content? Like, I don't I think they're supporting me at the end of the day. So, I think it's all right. >> What do you think is the biggest criticism about you that's valid? >> Biggest criticism about me that's valid. I don't know. I really like don't I don't like read up on myself. Is that bad? Like I don't look at what I don't look at what other people are saying about me. Like I could not tell you what the number one story of me is right now online just because I that's that's another boundary I have is like I don't read what other people are saying about me online because I know in my heart what I like to do and who I am. So who cares what this person is saying about me cuz like obviously they they're wrong. They don't know me. >> Did you used to read the comments? >> Oh 100%. 100%. >> And when did you stop? Like was there a certain thing that happened or something that you read? >> I obviously still read the comments. I don't think like anyone can just post and not read the comments, but I've just I've I definitely have thicker skin now. Like it doesn't get to me as much. And I think it it was probably like a year of doing this. I got really thick skin. >> I think that's important because even like bringing you on this show, we've not really done very much of like OAF or anything on this like as in terms of guests we've brought on. We've had on Celary and we've had on Kazumi. >> I think that's it, right? >> Yeah. Kaz Kazumi we filmed twice. [clears throat] Yeah, Kazumi we had to film twice because the first time we filmed with her, it was too much that we weren't able to post it. Like we were like, "Okay, we're probably drawing the line here." >> Also, my grandma watches the podcast and so sometimes I'm like, "Okay, like >> the barometer is Jack's grandma. It's just watch the episode." >> Well, sometimes I just tell her, "Hey Giggy, like do not tune in to this." >> He didn't say that in the beginning though. So Giggy could watch this episode. >> I might I might. We'll see how this ends up going. But yes, so that's usually our barometer of what we're willing and not willing to post. I know we're going to get a lot of backlash from this. And the way I justify it is like I will take criticisms very seriously from people that I know and from people that I trust. People that are online that don't really know the extent of the situation. >> They may be able to hear us say that this podcast is all about hearing different perspectives and it would be wrong of us to ignore this entire like economy of like that is something that truly does exist. And for us to turn our heads and say no it doesn't. and to explore the morals and the money and this lifestyle is all very interesting. >> It's just some something completely new. Like there's nothing there's never been anything like this. Like like I know I have, you know, I've made obviously a crazy amount of money and I can live comfortably now. And it's just I don't think that there's ever been something like this on the internet like just that fast, you know? It's it's pretty crazy. >> But people will cast judgment regardless and it's contingent upon you and the people that you trust in order to give you like proper criticism. For example, if I I asked a few people like, "Hey, what do you think? We're considering bringing Sophie Rain to the podcast." We were also almost going to shoot with Lil Tay. >> So, Lil Tay, you stopped responding to my text and she goes to >> Yeah, she actually she DM'd us first and she was like, "Hey, can we do a podcast?" I was like, "Yes, I would love to." And then we're in Puerto Rico. We're going to film with Logan Paul. And then she stopped responding to the text as well as her manager. But hopefully one day. Maybe one day. >> Surely one day. >> Um people would say, "Hey, are you sure that's something that you wanted to And I would take the criticism very seriously from the people that like we know and trust. >> Of course. I mean, obviously the people that I'm very close with, they tell me obviously if they don't like something I posted or they like something I posted. And I definitely take that into heart, but I feel like anyone online who doesn't really know me, I try not to read anything about it just cuz I know like I know who I am. That's all I try to do. >> So, where do most people go wrong when they try to replicate your success? >> I think overworking themselves. Um, I definitely have been there. like just constantly on live or on you know doing Instagram photos like overworking yourself is not the way to do it because then you get burnt out and then you don't like social media and then you don't want to post anymore. You have to just do what makes you happy but consistency is definitely key. What I do is I work a week out of the month and I get all of my content in one week and then I can be home for the rest of the month and post like I'm posting every single day, you know, but most of the time I am actually traveling just because I'm always going here to go meet this person and then my cousin's flying here to go here and I want to go with her. But that is my that's what I do normally is I just like get a whole bunch of content out in one week. You mentioned a lot of traveling and I heard from every I mean your friends, the people you brought along here that you guys flew private. >> Yes, we did fly private. >> When did you start flying private? How did you financially justify that? >> Um the first time I flew private was because our flight got cancelled and I really wanted to get home. We were fresh off a twoe Japan or Japan trip and I landed in LA and our flight got cancelled and there wasn't a next flight. I think like the next night or something and it was me and my friend, me and my cousin and we were like, "You know what? Like, we're not waiting in LA any longer. We wanted to be home." So, he's like, "I'm going to go. I'm going to try to find PJ Charters." And I was like, "Well, I don't know what I don't know what that is." Like, I didn't know anything about private jets, obviously, like private jet. And so, he looked it up. We found one. We went to go go home the first time, and this is actually a really funny story. This is my first PJ flight ever. We get there to fly home from my two week Japan trip. and both tires are flat on the plane. So, they're like, "Oh, there's nothing we can do. Like, you can fly commercial if you want to or we can try to put you on this plane that's 2 hours away." And we're like, "Okay, well, the next commercial flight isn't until tomorrow. That's why we're here." So, they we told them, "Drive us to this 2-hour place and let's go try to fly out of this private jet." Because it's not obviously I don't own the private jet. It's just other people's private jets that they charter. >> And um so, we get into this one plane and we're taking off. It's like 300 p.m. now and everything. and the entire plane shuts off while we're in the air. Like I don't know what this means, but the pilot said that the pitch in the elevator broke. So, we basically like couldn't go up and down. We were just gliding in the air after we took off. >> So, I just remember like absolutely crying like, "Oh my god, my first PJ ride and I'm going to die." Like, I don't know why I ever agreed to this. Like, I should have just stayed commercial. Like, I love commercial. I love first class. And it was fine. We landed and we weren't able to fly private that day. So, we had to wait the next night to fly private. And then after that, I was like, I'm never going to fly private again. Like, this [ __ ] sucks. Like, why do why do people do this? Just because I had such a bad experience the first time. Now, it's just very convenient. Um, I don't have to go into the airport at all and like go through security or anything. You just get right on the plane. And I think, you know, time is money and I feel like I save a lot of time doing that. And also, I've had really bad experiences in the airport with fans coming up to me. Um, I don't like them just because like my luggage is out and everything and like I don't like I've had just really bad experiences. >> What experiences have you had? >> Just people like wanting to get too close, people trying to I've had someone try to like look into my bag while I'm taking photos with someone. Like it I just like I don't I'm not comfortable in the airport, especially traveling alone. I travel alone a lot. So, I like private just because it's also just a little bit safer for me just in my experience just because I fly I mainly travel alone. Do you really only fly private now then? >> No, no, no, no. I flew I flew commercial to LA. The only reason why I flew private here to Vegas with you guys today just is because there was no flights early in the morning to get here. >> Are you familiar with JSX? >> Mm-m. >> It's like a private airline. >> You you share it with other people and they have it is incredible. We take it quite a bit from Vegas to LA. >> Okay. I'm definitely going to have to look that up cuz I was that was my I was thinking about that this morning. I was like, why isn't there like Uber ride share for private jets? But that's basically what that is. See, like I'm just not I'm just not as educated in the aviation industry, I guess. >> So, where else do you spend your money? >> Um, right now, I mean, I've honestly I haven't really been spending like crazy amounts. The last big purchase I made was my farm that I now live at. I try to invest as much as I can. Um, >> what are you investing in the most? [sighs and gasps] Just >> any stock tips? >> I wish I really wish um my financial adviser does all my investing for me just because I don't know anything about the stock world. I really want to I really want to learn just because I do want to invest more but he is investing >> in separate things for each of my family members if that [clears throat] makes sense. So I told him like my biggest goal is to make sure my family is also financially stable after I am not on social media anymore. So each of my siblings, each of my parents, they have like their own investment account that gets money put into it every year. And then after I'm done doing this, I want to give it to them. And that's like I guess that's my biggest spender. That's where most of my money goes is like is into those investment accounts for my family just cuz my brother's about to graduate from college. Like I want him to be able to buy a house when he graduates. So that's what that's for. I'm hoping same thing for my older brother. Like I want him to eventually buy a house soon. I'm hoping that this he can use this. But I'm not going to give it to them now just because I want it to, you know, sit there and grow. >> Do you think OAF is harder than a 9 to5? >> Honestly, [gasps] no, it's not. Um, when I was serving, like I remember like pulling my hair like like actually like sitting there pulling my hair just because it was so stressful. But OAF is definitely it's definitely stressful. Like I can't sit here and lie and like say that it's not stressful at all and it's easy peasy and everything, but it's definitely stressful, but I think that it's as stressful as you make it to be. Like it's online. You you control everything on your own site. Like it doesn't have to be something that's, you know, you don't like or makes you stressful. Like just do what you like and makes you happy. >> What would you say are the the key metrics in becoming successful on OFA? Is it marketing? Is it beauty? Or is it something else? I think the number one key thing to do is to have an audience before you drop an OAF. That's what I did. I started growing my audience on Tik Tok, Instagram, Twitter, every single social media platform. I grew an audience at first and then I dropped my OAF. And I think that's something a lot of people don't do is they just come straight onto social media and here's my link. You know, I think that you need to post yourself out there. Kind of like marketing. You need to market yourself out there. You need to post on TikTok so people can know who you are. Because obviously like if I hear, oh, this person dropped an O of, I don't know who that is. But someone that's been on social media for a year now, who's been getting a little bit of traction, I've seen her in this person's TikTok and I've seen her on this post. Obviously, people know the name, so they're going to try to see whatever. >> Yeah. How competitive is it now? >> I mean, everyone is just dropping only. >> I was going to say everyone's doing it. I don't see it as competition. I think that there's room for everyone and it's just that's the great thing about it just because you can do anything on there and you know you don't have to stick to one specific thing to be on the site. >> Yeah. >> What about you specifically? Why do you think it's you that is the number one creator on the entire platform making over $und00 million? That's just absurd. >> I wish that like I had a good answer for this, but I honestly think that like I just I'm very consistent. I stay true to my values. I post with intention like and I'm just I just am who I am. I'm not trying to fake anything like this is just who I am. >> So, what are the main things that you notice make a difference in that monthly recurring revenue? Do you still want to grow it at this point or are you trying to like just maintain? >> I think I I'm I mean I'm always finding new ways to try and grow it obviously just cuz I think that's the most fun part is challenging myself to try to make more than last month just to see if I can do it. Um, but that's that's what I do. >> What's the most you've made in a month? >> The most I've made in a month, I think, was $5 million. >> So, what did you do in that month that made you make 5 million? >> Um, definitely collabs. Joining up with other creators and making, you know, similar content together. That is a big thing I think that a lot of people don't also do is collaborations. >> Is that on Tik Tok or like on other platforms? You're collaborating collaborating with them there and then that directs the traffic to the OF. >> Yes. Yes. And no. like um collabs on Tik Tok. It's not so much like I I don't post on Tik Tok and on Instagram trying to get people to find my OAF. I post on Instagram for Instagram. I post on Tik Tok for Tik Toks and I post on OF for OAF content. I think I try to keep everything very different just because I know I have obviously a younger audience on Tik Tok. That's just Tik Tok. And I don't try to obviously persuade anyone to try to find my link on there. And I think that collaborating with other creators is really great cuz you get a new audience. you get, you know, their fans that have never even seen you before, obviously, and it's vice versa. It's it's a great ecosystem. >> Did you see an uptick in earnings after you did the video with David Dori? >> I don't think so. I don't think so. Everything's been pretty consistent like throughout everything. I didn't see anything crazy jump up from doing that. >> Where does most of the earnings come from? Is it like messages or is it like the feed that you post out there? >> It's definitely messages. Messages is where you make the most money. And and what do they what what do the conversations look like in the messages? >> I mean, just literally anything. I talked to so many people on there. Like, some people are just talking about their day. Some people are talking about their dog. Like, literally anything. >> Could you open up one of the messages and and read it? >> I can't do that just because I don't want to invade someone's privacy. >> Maybe they love it though. Maybe like, "Oh man, she my question." >> Cuz they they got a little shout out. But yeah, I try not to like I don't want to obviously post anything from the site just cuz I don't want to out anyone who doesn't >> Do you personally respond to these messages? Cuz we've heard from a lot of people that they have agencies or other people that respond to the messages. >> I do respond to a lot of messages. Um it definitely takes a lot of my time like flying here. That's all I was doing was responding messages. But I also it takes a village. I also have people that help me. My mom and my sister help me. Like they know what I do. So they help me message and everything. But do people send like explicit pictures within the messages? >> Not all the time. Definitely not all the time. But there definitely are some. It's It's just a wide range. Like you It's It's a giant spectrum. Like there's no in between. Like it's everything. You get crazy pictures and then you also meet someone so great on there. Like it's it's >> What's like the craziest thing you've seen or gotten? >> There's just like it's it's been so much. Like I don't I don't know off the top of my head. I truly don't. Is there like one that stands out to you? We're like, "What was that?" [laughter] >> I mean, actually, yes, there is one. Actually, >> there's always one, dude. There's always one. That's funny. It reminds me of something I'll share in a second. Yeah, I got one. >> So, this was last year when we had the Bob House and um we're we're at the Super Bowl, okay, and I'm messaging and I see pictures of my Airbnb being sent to me and I'm like, what is happening? Like, how are you getting these photos? a fan broke into our Airbnb while we were at the Super Bowl, taking photos inside of our Airbnb and sending to me through OAF. So, that was crazy. >> That is pretty >> thing. That's the craziest thing. >> So, I had someone request feet pictures from me on Instagram. And I'm going to be completely honest. I personally don't care. Like, if they ask for feet pictures, I'll be like, "Sure, like how much?" sell a lot of feet. >> Look, I'm just saying for me it's so easy and I don't see it as anything that's weird because for me feet are feet and you know what they do with that is completely entirely up to them. Same thing goes for the shoes. Some guy offered to buy my shoes. I was like, "Look, if you're willing to buy me a new pair of shoes, I'm fine with that." And I was like, "You know what? This is more of a hassle than what it's worth. I don't want to tell them my address to ship these shoes." Anyways, the feet picture, >> he said he'll send me like 50 or 100 bucks for a pair for a picture of my feet. I said, "Sure." And I was like, "What? Just like a picture of the top of my feet?" And he was like, "No, something like this." and he sent me an example and uh I just said no. >> I was like I was like I'm so done with this. I am not doing this. And then I I >> that's what I said. I said how in the world is this a foot and you think I'm going to do this for 50 bucks >> or 100 or whatever it is? >> How much would that cost? >> Obviously you'd be clothed. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I would be clothed. >> Yeah. Clothes. >> So I'm closed in a slatted >> dude. That would turn into a meme. Like it just I would be like [laughter] like imagine someone asked me for an actual foot picture and that's what I send. Assuming that that's a foot picture. Like that just makes me look clinically insane. I would probably do that. >> I mean with AI now you can >> $500,000. >> 500 grand. It's a lot. What would you do it for? >> We're talking me clothed. >> Yeah. >> Just in that position. >> Yeah. But you're all like, you know, bent over and like kind of like arching arching your back. >> Be hard to say no if someone is like $100,000 and it's and it's >> What is that going to do for you in your life? >> 100 It's easy. >> Yeah. 100,000 just just for taking a foot picture. >> It's just not going to change change my life. Like well in a very privileged way that will not change my life. And so like for me it's just so it's such a low effort. >> If it's a picture of my feet that's different then like that is such a compromised state for me to sit like that. It is so vulnerable. Like, I don't know. What if someone walks in, you know, when I'm taking the picture? How do I explain that? >> They'll high-five you. How do you explain it? Someone's paying me a lot of money for this photo. >> Would I do it for 100 grand? >> I think you would, dude. >> You know what? Maybe I would buy I I would not be able to do it for $100,000 and not spend it on something. I would I would like I would not do it for 100 grand just to throw it in an investment account. >> I would have I would have to like get something in return. I would say I am not donating that $100,000. Absolutely. I am going straight into like an used Audi R8 or something. It has to be. >> That's a good choice. >> Maybe I'll donate a little bit. >> What actually goes on behind the scenes when you're doing your week of working. >> So like for instance, I was in LA for a week. This past week I came here strictly to just get collabs. Um I flew in first day. I didn't do anything just because that's my travel day. I don't like doing anything on a travel day. And then the second day I woke up and I I don't remember exactly what I did in the morning, but I'm I get ready. That's the first thing I wake up and I get ready. And then I'll go grab coffee and then I'll get like Snapchat content for it or something getting coffee. Like I vlog everything like every single part of my life while I'm working like while I'm in that >> zone. And I'll just go to these different places and I'll take pictures of me there and I'll do this just for Snapchat. And then I'll make Tik Toks while I'm there in these places, I'll get two or three Tik Toks at a location that I'm at. And it's really funny because I'll ask like if a fan comes up to me and they know me and they take a picture with me, sometimes I'll be like, "You want to be in my TikTok with me?" Just so it's, you know, it's different and they love it every single time they say yes. It's great. I love I love meeting people on the street that know me. [snorts] And um and then I collabed with Breie Hill. That was really awesome. She came over to my Airbnb, but she's also on the site, but we just did Tik Toks together and we got an Instagram post and that was that. And then I went to bed and I wake up and I do it all over again. I'll go somewhere, you know, get some Snapchat content. I'll do Tik Toks halfway through and then I collabed with some I collabed with Ari. I collabed with Tara's World while I was here. >> Who's Ari and Tara's World? >> Ari, I'm going to totally butcher her last name. Kit Kitsko. >> I mean, I don't know who. >> She's also a Tik Tocker and she's on the site. And Tara's World, she's on Tik Tok and also on the site. Most of the people you're collabing with are on OF. >> Yes. Yes. 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Are you putting in 40hour work weeks? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Like I like when I when I'm know I'm going to be somewhere for a week, I don't really like take a break. Like I was just telling this to someone. I don't remember who. I've been to LA I think seven times now. I've never seen the beach. I've think I think I've seen the Hollywood sign once. >> Are you enjoying the life that you live? >> Oh, yeah. I love it. I love it so much because I know when I go home, that's what I really enjoy is being out is going home and like not doing anything. I love that so much. And I think that's something I look forward to. But I love meeting new people. I had such a great time in LA. Like I met literally I met so many new people and made so many new connections. So now next time I come to LA like I'll have already stuff lined up for me, you know? It's great. >> In your downtime, what do you do? In my downtime, I'm just on my on my phone on social media, scrolling Pokemon. It's another big thing I do. I love playing uh you know, games on my computer. I have a PC at home or I'm taking care of my farm animals. I have two goats, I have a donkey, and I have 12 cows. So, I'm either outside with them or I'm doing something around my house because, you know, they don't tell you about being a homeowner, you got to do everything yourself. Like, I don't know why. I just I didn't think about that. But I've always got something wrong with my house, too. Like, my stove's broken right now. My house has been leaking propane for like the past 3 weeks. So, that's fun. But >> so, how much is real in terms of the marketing versus how much is like played up for the marketing? Cuz I saw that uh that Neelk interview and I saw people giving you some crap about the age thing, saying you were like 21 and 23. >> I think I think a lot of it is honestly real. And I think that the only thing that isn't real is those little things that people have pointed out. is because when I started doing this, the number one thing that I can remember that everyone told me like back at my job, my, you know, when I had conversations with my friends trying to start it, protect your privacy was the number one thing I heard. Don't put out your real name. Don't put out your real birthday. Don't put out your real age. Don't put out anything real about you so people can find you and, you know, come to you because, you know, on the site, like obviously men are wanting to have sex with me, you know, like that's why they come to my site. And I think that a lot of people don't think about that, that it can be very dangerous posting all of this stuff out there. And I try to be as safe as possible just because >> I don't want to I mean, I obviously don't want to put myself in any bad predicament and I think that it's just my number one main privacy concern and that's why I do that. >> Has doing this affected the way you see relationships? >> Oh yes, 100%. 100%. I'm still looking for a boyfriend. I don't have a boyfriend. I think it's really hard for me to find a boyfriend now just cuz everyone knows me and every time I try to go on a date, they know who I am. But >> how are you how are you looking for people? >> I mean, just obviously like going out and I'll meet someone and I'll talk to them and then they're like, "Oh, I know you and Sophie, right?" And then I'm like, "Okay." Like, >> would you ever date a fan? >> It depends. It really depends. Like I'm just waiting for the right time obviously. Like Like I don't really have like I know [laughter] this is going to sound really bad to say, but like I don't really have standards. It's like I'm not looking for someone who's beautiful and 6'5 and has a great personality. I just want them to make me happy and laugh and like that's all I care about. >> Do you think your earnings would go down if you have a boyfriend? >> Um I don't think so. Honestly, I would I don't think so. I really truly don't. >> I think they would. >> You think so? >> I think some of the appeal is that uh you're single. >> That there's a chance >> that there's a chance that like it could be me. I guess. >> And so I think as soon as you get a boyfriend, I think a lot of people are going to say, "Ah, now I'm unsubscribing." >> That that definitely makes sense. But I do know a lot of creators who have significant others in the space and they are still very successful. >> Do they keep it a secret? >> No, not not most of them. No. >> So what has this taught you maybe about men that could conflict with how you see relationships? M I mean obviously like I don't want someone who's heavily on social media just because I don't want them to already have an opinion formed about me without meeting me. So I think that's my biggest concern and I'm just waiting for the right person to come. >> Would you ever date a guy who asks you to quit? >> Honestly, probably. If it if it's like truly like true love and like I really am in love with this guy and he doesn't like what I'm doing, I I probably would. Even if you're making like4 or $50 million a year consistently and the dude's just like, "I can't handle it. I don't want you to do that anymore." >> Probably. Yeah. Just because the another thing I'm doing with my money is I'm trying to also create new income sources. I'm trying I'm starting up a business. It's not great yet, but it's >> What's the business? >> It's a construction business. >> Construction? >> Yes, it's a construction business. >> That's not what I would expect. >> Well, okay. in my little town that I live in. Um there's no construction business if we're b like it's a kind of like a barn and build barns. That's the great thing. Like you can take this and do other avenues. So I think that that's what I would do. Like I would just obviously put my attention onto something else. Like I really want to own a bakery one day. I feel like that would be really cool. >> Do you think it skews your mind though to make so much money and then go to a bakery and then look at like the P&L and like oh man if we >> I have a lot of pride in my work ethic. I love like having something to do. I think that I would just do it just to have fun. Like honestly, I would do it for fun. And I really want to like have it be like some profitable or nonprofitable place essentially. Like that was something I was thinking about was like open opening a bakery for homeless and like they can just come in and get a free meal if they wanted to. Obviously, I'm not making money from it, but like I don't need more money, you know? Like I'm perfectly comfortable where I am right now. Have you noticed in dating that there have there been any instances where you started talking to a guy and then they realized that you did OF and then they had a problem with that? Like has that been an obstacle in talking to guys? >> No, I've only ever like doing like since being on the site I think I've gone on like three dates. >> And how did you meet these people? >> Um I think one of them was at a casino somewhere and then it was just like in random places like where I travel. It was never online or so through social media. and they would just come up to you, talk to you not knowing who you are. >> Well, some sometimes they play it off like they don't know who I am and then >> I see that you're following me on Instagram like >> that's just don't lie to me. >> Are these just like normal people or are they like successful in their own right? >> Norm like just normal people out in the wild, I guess you could say. Um I I don't really go on dates. >> Have you noticed that guys maybe get insecure when they see how much money you're making and feel like, "Oh man, like I could never live up to that." >> I've never noticed that personally. No, not me personally, but I could definitely see like how that could be an issue. >> Do you think that there could be any sort of like psychological impact on your brain having millions of people constantly praising you and telling you how beautiful you are and like paying for pictures of you? could that like there's this thing online called pretty girl syndrome where like it can lead to a girl kind of seeing the world for not what it truly is because they've been sort of white gloved their whole life. >> Um I definitely think that is a possibility for a lot of people. Me personally, no. Like I grew up, like I said, I grew up very poor. Like me and my family, we were low low class. And like I've seen obviously the ugly and I've seen the great side. So, I think that I I like proud I'm I'm proud of like my my maturity. I know what's right and what's wrong and like obviously I am very successful and I'm very blessed and you know I used to not be and it's hard you know that balance but I I love that I used to live like that because I I could see it and I experienced it. >> So on the pretty girl syndrome, what would you say are the main problems with today's modern men and modern women? >> Education. I think a lot of us are not as as as educated as we should be. Um, and that goes for both men and women. I just also think that the school system sucks and that's something that we should work on. Um, let's see. >> Like if you just look to like your friends out there that you've had over the past like decade, what have been some consistent patterns you've recognized like, "Oh, well this maybe could be improved." Same goes for men. >> Attention span. A lot of people don't have an attention span anymore. I've noticed from Tik Tok. Um, but not not really anything like I don't ever look at anything negatively. Like I only see the positives in life. Like I really try not to. >> So that could be something right there. >> That is true. >> Is that some people look about look about the negative of something when they should be seeing the positive. >> That is true. I also just believe that like like why am I going to try to find something that will make me unhappy? Like I just I try every single day to be happy because I know what it's like to be unhappy and I don't ever want to feel like that ever again. Like it sucks. It really does. So I just try to live every day like, you know, nonchalant. >> What do you think is the longevity of your career? >> How long do you expect to do it for? >> Honestly, I'm going to just keep going until people forget about me. Like, I love posting online. Like, I think it's so much fun. And I think one day that people aren't going to know who Sophie Rain is anymore cuz the new generation will come in and there'll be this new big platform that comes out now. Everyone goes to that. And I think that that's perfectly fine. Like, I think, you know, everything evolves and everything happens for a reason and change is good. So, I honestly I give myself probably another two to three years before something big else happens online. And >> what do you think about AI creators? >> Obviously, AI is very bad. Um, AI sucks because it's affecting climate change and I think it's stupid. Like, I truly think it's I don't know why we're doing that. >> What do you mean by it's affecting climate change? >> Well, cuz generative AI it uses gas, >> use a lot of electricity, but but so do private jets. >> That is true. That is very also true. And I know that is very bad [laughter] and I'm trying to do less on my PJ. But I also think that like you have PJ who's only, you know, not everyone can fly a PJ and then you have AI, everyone is currently using AI right now. >> So you think AI is bad in so far as it affects climate change? >> Yes, 100% uses millions of gallons of water a day and I think that, you know, it's 97° here and it's March. >> Do you think that we should completely stop our production of AI? >> I I think that there's good AI and I also think that there's bad AI. I think generative AI is awful obviously. Like have you seen have y'all seen the fruit Love Island thing that's going on on TikTok right now? >> It's a whole AI like TV show of just these fruits and it's like Love Island and everyone it has like millions of likes and people are just sitting here like eating this content up and like >> what's wrong with that though? >> It's because it's generative AI. It's it's harming society. Like it's just >> I just I think everything is going to AI. So my my whole thought is that in 10 years you're not going to be able to differentiate between you and AI on only face. I think that's I see these Yeah. I see these videos of these dudes that are just like dancing and then like split screen is like some attractive woman at the bottom and then like some dude with a belly is just like kind of dancing at the top. You have no idea. And they're making I remember one where >> Dr. Mike >> what >> have you seen the Dr. Mike ones? No. >> Oh god. Okay. What were you saying? >> No. I remember uh one where some like lady lost her following because it was exposed that she was actually a man >> the entire time but was using like the facial >> AI. >> Yeah. Like someone >> I don't agree with I don't agree with any of that stuff. But I think that there we can use AI in great ways for like research and stuff like that. I like uh Gemini I think is the new AI on Google. I love Gemini. I think that's great. But it's not as harmful as you know generate. >> I just think everything is going to AI. I think movies are going to AI. >> I think so too. I think that >> podcasting at some point maybe we could be replaced and it knows us well enough that we could have this whole conversation. AI. >> Have you seen like that that thing where you can put in like a topic and it creates a whole podcast on it? >> Yeah. So far they suck. >> Okay. I haven't tried it. >> We've used a lot of the AFN. A lot of them are really bad. >> Yeah. Well, give it a year and I'm sure it's going to take over. >> Yeah. This is the worst it's ever going to be is what Chris Camilo would say. right now, as good as it is, it's the wor it's only going to get better. >> Mhm. Yeah. Exactly. >> But do you think that's a threat to people who want to make a living on OAF? >> I mean, 100%. I definitely think that there's concerns about it just because now there's, you know, you have someone making AI content who isn't a real person putting out false content because it's not a real person. And I just think that it's it's unfair to people who are actually online and who actually are posting on social media and not being not an AI character. >> What do you think of the syntax that they were considering implementing in Florida? >> Um I think it's ridiculous. I think that it's a little silly and it was honestly like it sucked to hear that just because like syntax isn't isn't some taboo thing either. Like syntax exists. It exists in states like New York and I think California has syntax on stuff like alcohol and cigarettes, stuff that has proven to have harm on your body. I think that syntax on someone online is a little silly just because you know like anything on the internet can be harmful, but like I just I don't know. I don't understand like the point of it. I really don't. >> So he wanted a it was a 50% tax >> 50% tax on my income and he claims that he was going to give it back to teachers and I agree. I definitely, like I said earlier, I think that we should put more of our money into schooling and, you know, investing into teachers. But I think that there's way better ways than attacking one, you know, creator cuz I've only been the only one ever called out. Yes. >> He says that he's going to tax everyone in the state of Florida on OAF 50%. And I don't think that he puts an account because there are people on OAF, you know, just doing it to make grocery money for that week. You know, >> I remember you liked my Twitter post. >> Which one? I made the argument that he was giving you a lot of publicity. >> Mhm. Yes. I definitely I mean >> I randomly saw like wait a second she liked this post. >> I mean he went from the bottom of the polls to second running after talking about me. So like it definitely I think it's a whole publicity. >> Do you think you were benefiting him by responding to him or do you think he was benefiting you by drawing attention to you and maybe some people are like oh let me check this out. >> Honestly it's probably it goes both ways. I think that I was also benefiting him. I think he was benefiting me at the same time just because, you know, whenever you talk about someone, you're going to go check out who they're talking about. But I just I think the whole idea is a little silly and that he's not as well educated in the new modern social media world just because like I've been explaining here like, "Oh, it's it's a huge platform and you can do anything you want on there. It doesn't have to be content." And I think that that gets, you know, mistransated with a lot of people because there's people, you know, doing OF just to make a side money and you're going to tax them 50% of that when they have another job. And I I pay taxes also. It's not like I don't pay taxes. I paid my fair share in federal taxes last year. And I'm I mean I would be more than happy to pay extra taxes if it meant going to the teachers, but I know it's not going to. I know it's not going to. And like also like there's definitely, you know, other, you know, bigger people that you could tax. Like there's multiple billionaires who are paying zero dollars in taxes. >> A lot of that's unrealized gains though, >> whatever that means. But I [laughter] don't know what >> it's so funny cuz you're going to be defending the billionaires. You're going to be defending like the OF people. >> I think the billionaires add so much economic benefit that I if anything, I think we should have an opposite tax rate. The more money you make, the less you pay in tax. Okay, >> imagine that. Or if you make a certain amount of money, if you could prove that you pay out a certain amount or create a certain amount of jobs, >> economic economic output, you could reduce your taxes by let's just say, hey, you hire 10. >> That's a hard thing to measure. Technically speaking, it's not a bad idea because dollar to dollar, you're going to be helping out the gross economy more. >> Yeah. But I don't I don't even know. I mean, I also think that like I believe that I also help out the economy a little bit cuz I saw a tweet from Fishbach saying that like some I think it was about the billionaires being taxed and that they actually like put stuff into the world like they create jobs and stuff and it's not like I'm not, you know, I'm not doing anything. I pay photographers every single week to come take photos of me, you know, local photographers. I rent out studios to go do like I'm putting money back out there, you know, it's not like I'm keeping it all to myself. And I also I employ people. I have a whole business now that I run behind the scenes and that's another thing like I wouldn't have been able to do that without being on OAF and I think you know many you can become an entrepreneur from this. I'm using it as a gateway essentially to try and do bigger projects. >> When people ask you what do you do for a living? What do you say? >> I say social media. >> Do you say social media as opposed to OAF? >> I just say social media because I'm I do social media. I do Tik Tok also. I'm on YouTube. I also do Snapchat. It's not just OAF I'm on I'm on the entire >> part of me thinks it would be interesting if you said you ran a construction company. [laughter] >> I mean that's actually >> or a baker. >> Well, she actually does run a construction. I like the construction company. >> Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it's it's not anything great. Yeah, we've been we've been running for a year. I do it with my family and my my dad helps a lot with it. But we just do like little local jobs and you know, we just can't keep up with it right now because we can't find anyone to work unfortunately. We have really good people that work for us currently, but we want to expand, but we can't expand because we can't find people to work. >> So, explain the bop house. >> The bop house was created by me and Aisha. We made the bop house so we could, you know, essentially live together and support one another. So, we had this idea that us and our friends should get together. We got into this house and basically the whole idea for the bop house was to support one another. We obviously are all doing the same thing and we're all on the same site and we're posting Tik Toks together. And it also is a giant ecosystem. We bounce off each other. We I'll post a Tik Tok with everyone in it and they get traction and they post a Tik Tok with me in it and I get traction. You know, it's I feed you, you feed me type of thing. And it was it was great. It worked out awesome. Like I had such a great time. We haven't got we haven't been together recently, but I think we're going to go on a group trip some somewhere soon so we can make more content together. Do you live in the No, you don't live in the bop house. >> I don't live in the bop house. >> But people do. >> Yeah. >> Who owns the bop house? >> It's not I mean right now it's not a thing anymore because it we were just renting it and the lease was up. But we all collectively like paid the rent every month. >> How much was the rent? >> I think the total amount was $60,000. >> 6D. >> Yeah. 60,000. >> Big house Florida, right? >> Yes. It was a penthouse in Miami. Um >> Wow. >> It was awesome. I had a lot of fun. We lived there for probably like 6 months out of the year all together all at once consecutively. >> Was it a good investment? Like you saw a clear return on that expense? >> I definitely think so. I think so. I think it was a great investment. Um, people definitely like grew their pages a lot from that and that's all that mattered to me and yeah, I would do it again if I had the opportunity. >> What do you think about what Jack Dohy is doing? >> What is he doing? >> So, my understanding is that he he has a house. He gets these creators on and his the criticism is that he advertises towards a lot of like young kids. >> I don't I think I have him blocked on every single >> Why is that? >> Cuz I just can't stand him. Him and like like people like Clavvicular. I just can't I just can't stand. >> What don't you like about Clvicular? Did you see when he got frame mocked >> by the ASU frat leader? Did you see that? Did you see that? >> Like if you told that to a Victorian child, like I think that they would just have a hard time. Did you see it though? What does that mean? >> Did you see it? You have seen frame. >> No, >> this is going to be a first. Jack, can you pull it up? >> You're going to see him get frame mogged by the ASU family. That is crazy. >> I cannot stand Clvicular >> or Jack Dory. They're just like I don't know. They're just I don't think that they have great morals. >> Frameoged. >> What does frame modded mean? Like there's a frame the guy looks better than him of the video. There's a frame of the video where this guy, >> I don't know what his name is, but he has he's frameing him because his shoulders look huge and clavvicular looks honestly a little bit nervous, >> suboptimal. He looks subhuman in this image because he's getting >> very well versed into this clvicular guy. >> How does that make you feel? >> Um, >> not that we're well verssed, but that he got frame on. >> Oh, uh, that's how I feel. >> Was it heartbreaking? >> Oh, yeah. It was heartbreaking. Did you see the group that tried to avenge him? >> No, but I did see the video of him hitting some guy with his car and that's why I don't like him. >> I think he ran over the guy. >> Oh, like completely ran over. >> That's what it appeared to me. And what did that make you feel? >> I just, you know, don't hit people with your cars. I don't think that's cool. >> I saw another crazy clip. Some girl slapped him really hard and then he had his security pull her aside and press charges. Call the police. >> Where did that guy go? >> Believe he's suing her. >> Wow. He also has a hat that it has very derogatory terms on it. He wears >> uh the nword. >> Oh wow. >> He loves wearing that hat during his dreams. >> What's your thought on the whole like manosphere space? >> Manosphere. >> Yeah. Like the Andrew Tates, Fresh and Fitler um >> segment of >> I don't like it. I obviously just I think it's a little silly to try to put, you know, those values out there, but you know, they're killing it in the game and I I think that it's great that they're online and they're Like I said, they're killing it. They've gained a lot of traction. I don't like them personally, but I would never like wish downfall on e any of them. >> And so Jack Doherty though, you're not a huge fan of him. >> I'm not a huge fan of Jack Dory. I've never met him. Um I've just obviously heard things. And kind of like the same thing with Clvicular. I don't like him cuz like he did bad stuff that I've seen online, but I've never met the guy. Um but yeah, I just don't like them simply. >> That's What about the Island Boys? >> The Island Boys? >> They were on a while. They were on a million dollar a month. >> Did they have blonde hair? >> They're the brothers. >> The Island Boys. The Island Boys. >> Yeah, the ones with the candle stick. Yeah. Yeah, those ones. >> I mean, I haven't like I've never I don't think I've ever seen a video of them like actually talking, but >> I mean, they're cool, I guess. I like their tattoos. >> Would you quit for an extra hundred million? >> An extra$100 million? Would I quit? >> I would be stupid not to. Are you joking? 100 million? >> Really? I feel like if you just make that in another year and a half, two years, >> I mean 100 million right now, like am I being taxed on the 100 million or do I like >> I would say like let's just say after taxes it's 70. >> Okay, then probably not. But if I'm getting the full 100 million tax 70, no 100, yes, you would quit. >> Yeah, cuz that's that's three digits, you know, better than two digits. >> Do you know what your net worth is today? >> No. No idea. >> If you had to guess, [sighs and gasps] >> probably like 5 million, 20 million. 5 to 20. 5 to 20. >> No, it has to be more than that. >> I don't know. I don't know. Like I'm not like That's why I pay someone to do all of my financial stuff for me. I don't know anything about this. >> I was going to guess it has to be 50. >> Okay. I was like 5 to 20 was my guess somewhere. >> It has It has to be higher than that. >> I pay a lot like in taxes though, so like I don't I don't have that much. >> If you know Well, let's we do the math. I'm basically taking your total income >> uh subtracting taxes, subtracting living expenses and other discretionary spending. Okay. >> Then I'm adding in the fact that you've been investing the money an extra 15% over the last 2 years, >> which is on the conservative side of things. >> Mhm. >> And that takes me to 43. >> Okay. >> The thing is that people, and we've noticed this on the podcast, will spend so much time like Togei. You know who to? >> Wow. People like people will spend and now people are going to just think that we're name dropping. You guys know who Togei is, right? >> Toi. Okay. Togei. >> Okay. >> I like Togei. >> People are just going to think that we're name dropping. But like this makes it makes sense in the context. He will spend so much effort making as much money as possible. And if he just spent five to like 3% of that effort to understand investing and understand savings and budgeting and net worth and appreciation growth stuff like that, then he'll earn more spending in that 3% of time he spends learning that than if he were to spend that working. And the same thing would go to you. If you're if I ask you what's your net worth and you're saying between 5 and 20, that shows to me that you have no idea what's going on financially, which is like insane to me because if you're grinding so so so hard to try to get to someplace financially, like you could just spend a little extra time or even trade the time and work a little bit less, but spend a little bit of time understanding your finances and that you'll make more money doing that. And it's not even close. Like like five times more money doing that. I literally have considered like taking a college course online just like literally find someone that's financially literate the money talk to them for honestly the money talk to the money guys talk to Graham talk to me >> ask cuz I really want to learn like even after this podcast we can go over it like in 10 minutes you should you should have a basic understanding of where you're at because if you're saying between 5 and 20 imagine after imagine after you run for five years >> I guess that is a pretty big >> and you learn that you have $10 million what are you gonna Hey, >> where did it all go? Right. >> Yeah. >> Like, why did I grind so hard? Well, that could be the reality. You don't know how much these people, these money people that are like working with you are taking. >> Would you would you be able to say what percent they're taking? >> That's the thing. You have like and they could be taking some crazy percent where like if you just spend a little bit more time finding someone else >> or seeing what they're investing in. What if they're investing in really bad stuff? >> Just like I don't like see like I don't know any of this right now. Get a third party fiduciary to look it over for you. >> Fiduciary. >> Yeah. Someone who's on your side. Third party. >> Yeah. Who has no financial interest in how you're doing just to look it over and say, "Hey, thumbs up. This is good." Or, "Hey, these things are questionable." Like we uh had on another person who had a very successful career, thought they made all this money, and then realized, "Wait a second, the person I trusted with my money ended up squandering all of it, >> and I owe taxes. that I don't >> he was actually negative net worth after it was R.J. Midi who was on Breaking Bad like a main star on Breaking Bad and he was negative. >> He was Yeah, he was like in severe financial duress. >> So I definitely I need to open a book or something. >> Well, someone needs You don't need to open a book. It's so simple. It's actually so simple. >> It's like It's not though. Like you guys are saying it is so simple. I I will explain to you in two in five minutes. [clears throat] Not now. After the podcast or maybe we could Yeah, we should just do it after the podcast. We'll do it after. But anyways, it it would be so worth it to spend just a small percentage of your time instead of working to just understand your finances. >> Understand it, you're good. You're good for like the next >> It's a few basic principles. >> I feel like I'm like 50/50 with it. Like I kind of >> It really sounds like you're like 595 when it's 5 to 20. >> 5 to 20. I could see like 15 to 20. Okay, fine. Cuz market fluctuations, maybe valuations, but 5 to 20 is big. When you're making this much money, it shouldn't be less than 25. If it were less than 25, >> you'd have some serious concerns. >> I would say we actually got to figure out like what where's it going? >> Yeah. See, like I just I don't know >> who's who's controlling it and what are they doing with it? >> I don't know. I obviously like I don't want to like talk about it too heavily on the >> We'll discuss more later. Yeah. What would winning look like to you in 10 years? >> Winning to me look like in 10 years? I want to be on my farm still. Like I want to take care of my animals. Like that's what I want to do as I eventually want to have like horses. I want to have a big cattle herd. And that's what I want to do. I want to wake up every day and like kind of be a farmer, I guess. Like I that's what my grandparents did. That's what my grandpa did. I watch I grew up watching him do that. He raised pigs his entire life. And like that's just kind of what I want to do. I love I love being you know in the southern I guess you could say. [snorts] >> Hm. Did you get fish? I love fishing koi. >> I have koi actually. Really? I do. I have They're not koi. They're koi goldfish. I probably have like 50 of them in my pond out front. >> So, what you should do, go to Japan and they have these entire koi farms and you could go there and actually pick out your koi. >> And aren't they like $100,000? I was going to say, aren't they like super expensive? >> It depends on the It depends on the size and the type of koi. >> Jake Paul, he bought koiish. >> He did. >> I saw that. Like a big gold one or something. >> Yeah. So, I've seen the fish that were there and I've seen them at like $50 to $100,000, but honestly, the ones that are like 5 to 10 look 90% the same thing. >> And it comes down to all It's like the scales and the marbling. >> It's crazy. Like, who has I don't know who has time to count the scales on a fish. It's just insane. >> And it's the lines. They want They want really distinct lines and colorations that don't bleed into one another cuz once they bleed into one another, >> you've done your research on that. Oh, he loves fish. I sp I spent a whole day with the koi farmers in Japan and they taught me everything about koi. >> It's actually really sad. >> I'll tell I'll tell you. Go ahead. >> No, I got to say [laughter] it. >> The amount of fish that they kill. >> Oh. >> To get because they only want the ones that have certain colorations >> and that's like a small percentage of the fish they breed. So they breed hundreds of thousands of fish, but they might only keep a few hundred of them. It's >> kind like thousand. >> They call them calling They call the fish. They don't kill. It's calling. >> Why do they call it that? >> Less harsh than killing fish. Now, in fairness, I think I think some of them are ground up >> and I think they're reused for something, >> but it's still But to but to get that one fish, that one fish is probably one in 100,000 when you really think of like that is the show fish. >> And then those fish will end up breeding, >> but the offspring they could be any color. And so it's only as small, but but you see them in different sizes. And apparently when they start off small, >> fish, >> when they start off small, they'll change coloration as they get bigger. So there's also a chance you spend $5,000 on a fish. And then by the time it's three times the size, it's color changed and it's worthless. >> Hold on a sec. We have to understand this private jet. >> Okay. Yes. >> Okay. Cuz your manager chimed in and he said, "The amount you spend on private jets is unacceptable." >> I guess. I guess. I don't like I don't know. Whenever I travel, like I don't I don't count it, I guess, just because I love traveling. >> That doesn't count. That's girl math. >> That's girl math. Definitely girl math. >> Girl math. It's girl math. But >> I did spend [snorts] like I don't even want to say this cuz it's so embarrassing. I spent $78,000 on a private jet to bring my entire family onto a vacation. And I think that that was valid. That's something I wanted to do. >> You could afford it. I think if anyone could get a private jet, it's you. and actually justify it. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> If anyone could, anybody in the entire world, yes, it would it would have to be. >> It's good because the the safety is increased. Also, if you are spending your money in any way, >> Mhm. >> taking your family on a vacation is the best. >> Yeah, it was. And it we had so much fun. Like they've I think my like the last time my mom has flown anywhere was years prior to that. So like her first experience back flying was on a PJ. Like it was just so much fun. That's all I want to do is like I just want to spoil them. Like that's seriously all I want to do. But I'm slowing down on my PJ spending. Um, yeah, the one here was AK. >> How How often do people ask you for money? It's like, "Hey, could you just buy me this thing?" >> Quite often, actually. Quite often. >> What's the most ridiculous request you've seen? >> Uh, house. >> How much? >> A million. >> That's not even like a cheap house. >> I know, but it was like someone that I'm not close with. I feel like if you're going to ask for a house from someone, you're not just going to go to like a million. >> You're going to be like, "Oh, can I have like a condo? I'm, you know, like $250,000." >> Someone that I like used to talk to and like they're a family friend and like we were really close, whatever. But like I don't talk to you anymore. You're asking me for a million dollars. >> Did you cut it off with your day ones? >> Um, no. I still talk to a lot of them, honestly. I still do. They're all very They're all very nice and supportive. There's been a couple people that like obviously [gasps] I should have just said no way back then, but I just I I hate saying no to people. I don't know. I've I spend a lot of my money on giving money to other people. Like my [snorts] one of my old co-workers, I bought her a house. Um I did actually buy her a house. It was 300,000 and I just bought her a new car. And my friend who I used to, you know, go to school with, I send him money every other week just because, you know, me and him were me and him were tight, you know, like he was he was there for me whenever I didn't have any friend in high school. And uh shout out. >> Why didn't you have any friends in high school? >> Oh my god. Are you kidding? Cuz like >> No, >> I was I don't know. I was just so like this and like >> I was a weirdo. Like I really was like one of the weirdo kids. I wore I don't Let me just show you a picture of me. [laughter] Let me just show you a picture of me from high school. I just like I didn't talk to anyone. I didn't have friends. I didn't like I wasn't interested in things that people were interested in. I was interested in Pokémon. Like that's all I did was like I had like a little Pokemon backpack and I got made fun of it in middle school. Like I like I like that kind of stuff. >> Are you going to show up to your high school reunion? >> Probably not. >> Probably not. Who would I go see? >> Did you? >> No. I was out of town. Would you have? >> Yeah, I would have. >> I see a lot of the people on Facebook. I like keeping tabs of people and just like when they post a photo, I'm like, "You >> Graham always goes, "Oh, this person really went downhill." That's what grand always says. >> It's insane. It's insane because you see two types of people. >> This was me and my friend in high school. >> No way. >> Yeah, that's me. >> No way. >> That's me. >> How did you lose all your weight? >> Um, I started eating a lot better. >> Do you take Ozic? >> No, never take. >> You never took any? I don't like needles. >> Oh, people were curious. >> Unrecognizable. >> I know. Isn't it insane? Isn't it actually like >> Have you talked about this before? >> Not really. No, but there's pictures of me like from high school. Like people that go to my high school now currently, they go in the yearbook and take photos of me. >> What motivated you and like how did you do it? Like where did it start? >> I think it started after high school serving. I was putting in steps serving. I would um I couldn't say no to people. I'd always pull doubles. I'd always say yes. If someone was calling out and they'd come to me and like, "Can you work for this person?" I'd always say yes. So, I was like working like 38 hour weeks every single week. And I really genuinely think it was just walking so much cuz before then I I I didn't do anything in high school. I didn't like have any extracurricular activities. I was never on a team. I never did anything. I was just there, you know. >> And what about diet? >> Um McDonald's was my favorite place to eat at. I love >> What would you order? [sighs] >> Chicken nuggets. 20 chicken nuggets was my OG order, but now I don't eat McDonald's >> and fries and a Coke Coke and an apple pie because I like the apple pie at McDonald's. It's so good. But um I had a really bad diet. I love fast food >> and now I have a way better diet. Obviously, I don't eat fast food 24/7 cuz that's what I used to eat 24/7. >> But yeah, I just And it's been This photo was taken in 2017. >> Wow. >> This honestly shocking. Yeah, it's honestly it's just impressive. Yeah, >> that is Yeah, it really is. >> Like from a holistic view of your life, it seems like you kind of have everything dialed down. Like you came with two people that you're very close to and and that's really nice. And >> it takes a village. Surrounding yourself with people is like the number one thing I recommend. Like surround yourself with people you know are going to support you >> and you're being generous with the people that have been generous to you, which is really cool. You're not like spending your money on lavish things. The only thing would be like figuring out where you're at financially cuz that would be like a better use of your time than honestly even working at this point. >> Um but yeah, I mean you seem like a pretty wellrounded person. Yeah, >> thank you. I appreciate >> I feel I feel honestly I feel bad for the amount of hate >> that I just see in the comments but because it doesn't make any sense to me. >> It doesn't make sense. >> Well, the main thing people are going to hate on is the fact that like they see the whole OAF sphere as something that's very unethical. >> And so like that's where the hate's coming from. >> They hate the people who buy it. That's what I think. It wouldn't exist if people weren't buying it. >> That is true. I guess you got a point there. I think it goes both ways. >> I don't know. I think if they put half of the attention they put on that into their own life, it would be beneficial for them. >> I think that if I get, you know, if James Fishbach becomes governor and if I get taxed 50%, I also think that the consumer should be taxed 50%. >> I think that >> Well, if the Yeah. Yeah. Well, >> it would probably go back to them, >> right? >> No, I don't know how that would work because like an alcoh, cigarette tax, gas tax is paid by the consumer and then of course they bake it into the price, but it's really the consumer that ends up paying >> either way. >> Either way, >> uh, it sounds like you're doing a great job. The only thing is the finance stuff and definitely work on your pool game. That needs honestly. It's really >> What did y'all say? Do this hand like this. Yeah, you were you you go and you start playing pool. In the very first shot, this is your your pool cue. This is the ball and you go like this. You go >> like you you [laughter] twked it like it it like went over the top. >> Does it make sense now? >> I don't know. It just it made a twink sound. >> I've never played sports. I'm not athletic. I've never been to the gym. >> Like I'm not like I don't do I I don't know. I don't >> You don't go to the gym either. >> I've never been to the gym day in my life. >> Why? >> I think I went actually this is really funny. I went once and I was trying to best bench press. Is that what this is called? Just the bar and I threw out my shoulder. >> So, I've never been. >> The bar is pretty heavy. It's 45 lbs. So, honestly, you would do really well. Go to the gym with Togei. I [laughter] don't know what that is. >> Okay. >> That video would do so well. >> I Yeah, >> it would do crazy. >> I was supposed to go to Steve Will. >> Oh, Ilia's gym. >> No, LA something. >> LA Fitness. LA [laughter] Fitness. >> Ryan Garcia. >> Young LA. >> Young LA. Is that what it's called? Is that a gym? Yeah. Well, I think it's like a brand. Honestly, I have no >> Okay. Yeah. The brand of >> That was gonna be my first official time in a gym. >> Yeah. Wow. >> So, I don't work out. Um I'm not athletic. I never played sports in high school. >> But why not work out? >> You just don't like it. >> It seems like it' be a high ROI. >> It seems like that would be one of the best things that you could do for like an hour a day to >> I've been telling myself for three years to get into the gym and workouts cuz I do want to like tone. But I don't know. I'm just I'm comfortable where I am. Like I'm happy with myself. >> Diet is much more important. A lot of people they spend a lot of time working out in the gym but not very much on the diet. >> Yes. Yes. Diet >> is more important. I would >> 100% more important. I mean I I haven't worked out and you saw I've lost so much weight just from eating better. >> So yeah. >> All right. Well that's it guys. >> Thank you so much for watching. Thank you for being available and for making this happen. Thank you guys very much for joining over there. Thank you Brandon for listening in. 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