How High Performing Nonprofits Use Their Website as a Growth Platform
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High-performing nonprofits fundamentally shift their perspective by treating websites as dynamic growth platforms rather than static one-time projects that are built once and neglected. This "platform mindset" replaces the outdated approach where sites become disconnected from customer relationship management systems until they break, establishing instead a culture of clear ownership roles, continuous optimization, and integrated daily operations. To succeed in this environment, organizations must address common engagement pitfalls such as visitors spending less than fifteen seconds on a page or failing to connect with current missions; solutions include crafting compelling headlines above the fold, eliminating confusing competing calls-to-action, displaying trust signals like impact metrics and testimonials, and ensuring proper security certificates are visible.
Central to improving performance is the adoption of growth-driven design, a cyclical process that relies on data rather than assumptions to guide decisions. This approach involves monitoring real user behaviors through heat maps, scroll depth, and session recordings to identify friction points such as high form abandonment or slow mobile loading times, which can then be addressed by shortening forms, optimizing speed, and ensuring landing page intent matches ad messages. By leveraging AI tools to automate repetitive tasks like flagging lapsed donors or personalizing thank-you notes, staff are freed to focus on strategic storytelling while key metrics such as conversion rates, bounce rates, and traffic sources inform ongoing improvements. Furthermore, integrating the website seamlessly with a CRM allows nonprofits to track supporter journeys across donations, volunteer sign-ups, and newsletter subscriptions, creating dedicated landing pages for specific campaigns that capture engagement immediately without gating access from anonymous users who may need support services.
Building deep relationships requires mapping the entire user journey from initial entry points like search or social media through familiarity-building content to final donation actions supported by automation sequences. A robust strategy includes offering optional information capture opportunities alongside analytics, sending automated updates on fund usage and testimonial requests after a gift is made, and prompting recurring donations to deepen supporter loyalty. Technical considerations also play a vital role, with recommendations favoring WordPress over Wix for long-term scalability despite higher development needs, while strategies are provided for passing Google Ad Grants reviews by enhancing trust signals and avoiding generic appearances. For those needing technical assistance or strategic roadmaps, resources such as free AI guides and HubSpot integration advice help organizations navigate the trade-offs between different platforms and ensure their sites remain accessible and effective across all devices.
To sustain this momentum, nonprofits should implement a structured thirty-day action plan that transforms website management into an ongoing habit rather than a periodic task. The first week focuses on reviewing analytics to identify outdated content and setting primary conversion goals, followed by the second week dedicated to refreshing trust signals like copyright years and impact stories while removing obsolete pages. In the third week, efforts concentrate on refining calls-to-action so that each page has one clear purpose, rewriting headlines for clarity, and simplifying navigation menus to reduce user confusion. The final week establishes a routine of regular audits and content scheduling to ensure the site evolves with organizational needs, ultimately creating a seamless donation flow via embedded forms and strong post-donation experiences that turn casual visitors into committed advocates through consistent, data-informed engagement.
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Um, hey, welcome everybody. Uh, today
we're going to be talking about how high
performing nonprofits use their website
as a growth platform. So, um, a lot of
different, uh, topics in sprinkled in
today. Um, we'll speak on how you can
use your website as a growth platform.
How some websites see their or some
nonprofits see their website more as a
platform. So, um, we'll talk a little
bit about a whole bunch of different
things today. So, uh, with me today, uh,
is Julian. Julian, if you want to
introduce yourself.
>> Hey. Yeah. Um, thanks, Zach. Uh my name
is Julian. I'm the junior director of
digital solutions here at Tap Network.
So, you know, I'm working with uh
nonprofits planning website projects,
you know, coming in and, you know, uh
executing on things that maybe they've
had on their to-do list for a while. And
a lot of what we're doing, you know,
everybody here at TAP, uh is being able
to to convert all these little things
that that nonprofits are doing within
their their digital platforms, their
CRM, their websites, and and turning
them into tools to help everybody grow.
So, uh, I'm very excited to be here and
I think we're going to have a, uh, a
good webinar.
So, we do have, um, a little bit of an
agenda today. So, just to give you an
overview of what we're going to do,
we're going to start with the the
biggest mindset shift that I think a lot
of nonprofits are going to benefit from.
It's is your website a project or is it
a growth platform? Is it something you
do once and then sort of, you know, wait
10 years and then you be, oh, we need to
do another one or is it something that
you're going to develop over time? From
there, we're going to take a look at why
sites struggle to create engagement, how
your website should connect with your
other systems, you know, your donation
platforms, volunteer platforms, things
like that. Then what ongoing
optimization looks like, and how to use
the actual data from, you know, real
user behavior to guide these decisions.
We're going to give you an action plan
right at the end. Um, and then we're
going to have some time for for Q&A. So,
any questions you have, make sure to put
them in the uh uh Q&A section. We're
going to be monitoring the chat as well,
but the Q&A section there is going to be
the best place, you know, to make sure
even if we can't answer it right now,
it's not going to get lost in the in the
chat feed.
>> Awesome. Thanks, Julian. Uh, so most
website, most organizations, you're
going to have a website, right? But how
you think about your website is going to
determine how useful it becomes for your
organization. Um, is your website
something that was just built,
completed, and launched, or is it
something that you're actively managing
as part of your growth strategy? So,
I've seen a couple people in the chat
say, "Hey, um, I was up updating my
website today." That's perfect, right?
So, that's what you want to be doing.
Um, so this is what we mean by the
project mindset. So, if your website is
a project, you build it once and then
after launch, the attention and the
budget that you have usually moves
somewhere else, right? So the website
only comes back onto the radar when
something goes wrong or something
breaks. Um or even when it's so
obviously outdated that another redesign
feels necessary, right? Um another thing
that happens here is that success is
getting measured entirely at launch. So
people are saying, "Hey, your new site
looks amazing. That's great. But six
months later, are more people donating?
Are more people coming to your
organization? Are more people finding
your programs?" if those questions
aren't being answered in a positive way,
um
you can kind of see where I'm getting
to, right? So, um the last piece here is
that the website often sits by itself
disconnected from your CRM, your email
platform, your donation platform, or
even just your analytics. Um so, from
the outside, again, your website might
look amazing, but behind the scenes, is
this website supporting your mission? is
supporting your staff dayto day. Um, and
that's what we're really trying to get
to.
Um, and here's the cost of a project
mindset. So, this is why the distinction
matters. A stale or a disconnected
website. It is not only just like a
looks problem, but it can create
friction ex at the exact moment that
somebody's looking at your site and
deciding whether or not they trust your
organization. Um, so online people make
decisions super quickly, right? So,
they're asking themselves, "Is this
organization legitimate? Am I in the
right place? Can I find what I need? Do
I understand what your organization
does?" If those answers aren't super
obvious, most people won't spend three
or four minutes investigating. They're
just going to leave and hop to the next
website. Um, there's also a systems
cost. So, if somebody's giving you money
and that information doesn't flow
cleanly into your CRM or into your
analytics records, now a staff member
may have to manually import or export a
spreadsheet. They'll have to clean
something up in that spreadsheet and
then import it somewhere else. So, the
cost of your disconnected website will
show up both in lost engagement but also
in your staff's time.
So now this slide we like to see it as
it's basically a self diagnosis, right?
So these are signs that your pro website
is stuck in project mode. If you look at
this list and you see two or three of
these things that you recognize, that's
a pretty strong signal that your website
is being managed more like a project
than an ongoing platform. And we're
going to get into what that ongoing
platform looks like in a second here. Um
so one of my favorites here is nobody
knows the login because that happens
quite often. Um, maybe the person who
managed your website left three years
ago or maybe an outside vendor has the
credentials to log into your website.
Um, if you need to just update the
headline on your homepage or a single
link on your page and nobody can do
that, um, that's a that's a problem,
right? Um, mobile is another one. So a
site can look perfectly acceptable on
your desktop computer or even on your
iPad, but the large majority of website
traffic nowadays is coming from mobile
mo mobile devices like your phone,
right? So it matters that your website
can be the can it matters that your
website can dynamically shift based on
what kind of device it's um it's
displaying on. So, um, there's a handful
of different things here, but I'd look
at this slide less of like a list of
failures and look at it more as a
checklist for, hey, we can check five
out of these six boxes off for our
website. That's a great place to start,
right?
Uh, so next we're going to be moving
into the platform mindset. So, in
contrast to the project mindset, um,
this views your website as an evolving
asset. So, it's focusing on the
long-term value of your website and
continuously updating and improving your
website rather than just having that
website built and launched.
So, this slide will put those two ways
of thinking side by side. So, on the
left we have the project mindset. Your
website gets built and mostly forgotten.
Um, and then on the right, your
website's getting continuously improved
and optimized. Um, there's also an
ownership difference in this, right? So
in the project mode, your website
sometimes belongs to one person or that
outside vendor like we talked about. Um
but in platform mode, there's clear
roles. So the communications person
might own the content on your website.
Um you may have a specific website
developer, whether that's internal or
external. Um you may have an IT person
that manages the domain and the security
side of things. And then your leadership
will set your priorities, right? So um
you don't necessarily need a huge team
for this either. You just need clarity
around who owns what. So if you have a
team of three people, maybe one person
really focuses on the content, one
person really focuses on getting
volunteers and things like that, um you
can really divvy up those tasks amongst
your team. And then when you introduce
data into the process too, um you want
to do this so decisions aren't
necessarily just being made based on
which staff member has the strongest
opinions about something. If you use the
data from your homepage or the data from
any of your forms or things like that to
help you make those decisions, uh those
decisions will be a lot more effective.
And then this visual is a good way to
think about the role of your website. Um
so your website is in the middle, but
notice that it isn't just all by itself.
There's all these other things around
it, right? So, somebody may discover you
through social media, land on a program
page on your website and then sign up
for your newsletter and then they may
eventually donate or volunteer, right?
So, um from a visitor's perspective,
that's their relationship with your
organization. They found you on social
media. They may have followed you. They
may have not have followed you. Um but
ultimately, anything
in that entire web of your organization
is centered around your website, right?
people coming to your website to donate,
signing up to volunteer, um check get
more information about your programs,
right? Um the goal for your website and
the entire system is for everything to
work together well enough so that the
supporter experiences one connected
organization, not just a Facebook page
and then a website and then a marketing
email that you get. Everything should be
cohesive and flowing together, not just
internally for yourselves, which makes
it super easy, but then externally for
people looking at everything um with
your org.
And then just the last piece on this
here, um here are five characteristics
that um we would say a high performing
website has. Um so the first one is
integration. So actions on your website
connect to useful systems. So again, if
you have a donation platform, if you
have a CRM, um wherever you do your
marketing emails out of, that should all
be connected to your website in one way
or another. Uh the second is a clear
user journey. So you don't just have
pages of information on your website. Um
that homepage is that landing page for
people to meet your organization for the
first time. And they should, it should
be very clear to them if like if they're
trying to donate or volunteer or um even
just get information that button should
be very clear for them on the website.
Uh the third is consistent measurement.
So consistent is important here because
if you just look at Google Analytics
once or twice a year, um this isn't
going to tell you very much. Um you need
to be looking at those at your data and
your analytics and all these numbers
coming in on a regular basis. Um, you
can have notifications set up. You could
have dashboards that you look at even
once a week. Um, that will tell you a
lot about your organization's
performance.
Um, fourthly, um, the website is
evolving with your organization. So,
we've talked about this a little bit.
Um, you want to make sure that you're
constantly updating your site. Um, even
if it's just your upcoming events,
things like that. Um if you show your
audience and you show even people who
are coming to your site for the first
time that you are putting relevant new
information on there um that will help
you a lot.
Uh and then fifthly uh fifth here um
somebody owns it. So the last one so
this one may I'd say it's one of the
most important. You can have great
technology. You can have a great website
that's been built. Um, but if you don't
know who is responsible for updating
your site, checking your numbers, um,
reviewing form submissions, that
platform, while you have this great
system built out, if you don't have
somebody owning each individual piece of
it, um, it's not going to work very
well, right? So, um, yeah, these are
five, um, those just five uh,
characteristics here that are just worth
uh, remembering and looking at.
>> Yeah. So now we're going to look at, you
know, here why most sites struggle to
drive engagement. So I think most folks
here are going to have a website for
their organization already, but you
know, we're working with, you know, uh,
uh, lots of organizations, lots of
websites, and we start to see these
these trends. And so these are issues
that are incredibly common. So this
isn't like a, oh, you're you're you're
in trouble. We're about to to call you
out, but we want to show you these
patterns so you can recognize them and
start to look for how they apply to your
own site. So, I have three challenges
that we're going to go over and I'm
going to show you what it looks like and
then give you some ideas for where to go
from there. And these are things that
are going to be a little more
behavioral, a little more process rather
than sort of something you're going to
throw money at. So, you know, part of
this here, you know, we have we have
some more numbers here. Um, you know,
55% of visitors spend uh fewer than 15
seconds on a website. So that means that
you know you have a very limited amount
of time to be able to get this person
who has indicated whether it be through
a Google ad through something they found
on search uh a link in an email uh
something on social media to to capture
that enthusiasm that they have um and
turn it into something that's going to
help the organization a program sign up
a donation volunteering something like
that.
And you know that that that initial part
that that grabbing their attention off
of that initial zeal from however they
land on your website, you have about 3
seconds. Um and so you you take that and
so you're saying, "Okay, this the the
website experience is going to be so
important. We have such a small amount
of time to be able to, you know, uh uh
integrate somebody into our organization
in in one way or another." 70% of
nonprofits are saying that their website
doesn't reflect their current mission,
doesn't match with what they're doing.
um things aren't coming together in a in
a cohesive strategy here and so you know
you're you end up having this this
project thing that you've launched at
one point saying okay this was you know
fairly accurate to what we do doesn't
match now you're not you know getting
the people who are interested in that in
that small amount of time that you have
and you're losing out on these
opportunities to to grow the
organization.
So um the first challenge that we have
here is that there's no clear value
proposition across you know the entire
uh site. And one of these things um you
know I know I've mentioned this on a
couple webinars in the past but the the
vague or jargon heavy headlines or even
just content throughout the site. So
empowering communities through
transformative action that sounds great
when you're you know applying for
grants. um you know, you're you're you
know, applying for an award at you know,
a regional uh uh nonprofit gala or
something like that, but it doesn't
really, you know, inform people, you
know, who you are, what you're doing,
things like that. So, um you know, you
combine that with some other things here
where saying, okay, hey, we're not
really sure which audience this page,
this landing page or even the homepage
is catering to. Is it, you know, are you
trying to capture donations to fund
something? Are you trying to get people
to volunteer or even start their own
drives or or host events, you know, on
their own? Um, anything like that? It's
it's people leave confused and, you
know, you're spending that, you know, 3
seconds to capture attention, 15
seconds, you know, across the entire
website visit on average. You know,
you're you're sort of uh wasting that
with people trying to poke around and
figure out what exactly uh the site's
all about. You know, also having the
mission uh buried below the fold. The
fold is what we call basically the the
bottom of your uh browser screen. So if
you have to scroll to see something,
it's almost like the newspaper fold. If
you have to flip it over uh for the
other half, you know, if if your mission
isn't, you know, front and center, you
know, people aren't really going to know
what you're about, what you're doing.
And even, you know, not having the
emotional hook. Now, I always say that
the the website is basically the thing
that sits between, you know, a group of
people and another person over here.
You're trying to make a connection with
a real person on the other side of the
screen. And you know, having this
completely static, unemotional, not tied
to anything in real life brick in the
middle, you know, it's not going to do
you any favors. Um, you know, you're out
there in the real world helping people,
trying to, you know, develop this
change. Incorporate that into the
website. You know, we have a little
before and after here on the sidebar.
Um, you know, serving the community
since 1987 through comprehensive
programming and outreach. It's like,
okay, that's it sounds nice. There's
nothing, you know, incorrect about it,
but free job training for adults in
Detroit. 94% of graduates find
employment within 90 days and you can
apply in 5 minutes. That has so much
more information packed in about who you
are, what you're doing. Um, all this
stuff in basically the same amount of
text as just, hey, this is when we were
founded and we do uh programming and
outreach. It's like, okay, lots of
organizations do programming and
outreach. Do other organizations, you
know, uh, have a five-minute application
to, you know, have a job program in
Detroit with with those sort of numbers?
Probably not. So, you want to you want
to highlight those things there.
So, once you have them uh on the website
and they they understand what you do,
what your organization's about, the next
question we have is what do you want
them to do about it? So, is that
because, you know, these things don't
get complicated because anybody made a
bad decision or anything either. Um, you
know, we see, you know, if you ever
heard a platypus is a a duck designed by
committee. You know, we're having, you
know, staff members or board members
coming to the website and saying, "This
is the most important thing right now. I
want this to be, you know, front and
center." And, you know, oh, we we have
this new initiative. We really need more
eyes in this area. We got to, you know,
make this bold. And now everything's
bold and it's flashing at you and doing
all these things. And so, you're trying
to serve all these things at once
without doing anything really well. So
you're having, you know, multiple things
competing for your attention. Um, and
these could be coming from, you know,
small organizations have one person, you
know, but you also have boards and other
things to deal with some some larger
organizations here. But your your
donations, your volunteers, uh, your
content uh, group is saying, "Hey, we
need more people for the newsletter or
sharing our social media posts." You
know, a a user is going to come in there
and and freeze up. So every page should
have one primary action. Not to say that
you can't have more than one action on a
page, but you know, if you're going to
have a event, you want to say, "Okay,
here's all the information about the
event, and the main thing we want
somebody to do is register for it." You
don't want to be clogging up that page
with other, you know, information about,
you know, uh, uh, finding volunteer
opportunities or making donations. You
can have them, you know, secondary
towards the bottom or even part of the,
you know, postregistration workflow. But
you want to have a a very clear answer
to what should I do right now when
somebody's on the site. What should they
do? You want to make that very clear to
them. So here we have just, you know, a
couple things up top. You know, multiple
competing calls to action on one page.
You want to make sure there's a
hierarchy to them. You know, make it
very clear what's the primary one and
what are secondary things that are going
to happen. Uh donation buttons. This is
actually a surprising one uh that we see
quite often. But you know if if people
are are willing to give you money, you
want to have as few steps in between
them um and and that you know
transaction as possible. So if you're an
organization that collects donations,
make it prominent in the header, have it
be on pages, link it in your footer. Um,
there's ways that you can have forms
embedded versus just, you know, a button
to external platforms, all this, but you
really want to make sure that, you know,
uh, uh, especially with, you know, some
of the changes people have had with
grants and stuff lately, you want to
make sure that you're able to to have
good financial health and, uh, uh, make
sure that you're able to capture these
donations.
There's some other things here. The the
vague button copy that gives no reason
to act. That's another big one. Try and
stay away from things like learn more or
click here. It's not going to be good
for uh uh screen readers and
accessibility things. It's also not
going to be good to actually prompt
action. Um you want to say give $25
today or join the next uh program here.
You want to focus this uh uh platform
into a tool uh for the things that your
organization does. And we have some more
stuff about um the calls to actions and
the uh uh audience specific journeys
which we'll get into in a little bit
just after this.
Then finally, um, the third one here is
the missing trust signals. So, um,
there's a couple things in here, and
just, you know, uh, uh, like Zach was
mentioning, hey, if you're if you're
seeing your website here and it's
checking off some of these boxes, this
is something that's going to be easy to,
you know, make a change today on, and
it's something you should probably do
pretty pretty quickly. So, you don't
have any impact numbers. you know, if
you're not sort of demonstrating the the
work that you're doing, the impact it's
having on the communities you serve, you
know, why would people want to give you
money? Um, you know, what are you doing
with it? How are you turning, you know,
this dollar into some sort of change?
Um, uh, testimonials are another big
one. If people are giving you these
things, they're either, uh, uh, making
the donations or they're receiving the
benefit of those donations, you know,
social proof is a a big indicator. Um,
especially with a lot of the the AI
content that is put out right now,
somebody's trying to find a review on
something, they they're not necessarily
looking for the perfectly crafted
article that technically answers their
question. They want to see what real
people are saying about it. You think of
that even on, you know, other e-commerce
sites. If you're on like Amazon, you
want to check out the uh the reviews to
make sure that, you know, real people,
you know, are enjoying it or getting use
out of it. do if you have press releases
or you've had articles written, big or
small, you know, start start calling
them out. Um, get your your charity
rating badges up there. Make sure your
contact information is up there. Um, I
run into this all the time if I'm going
to uh order takeout uh here in
Philadelphia. I don't want to order
necessarily from a ghost kitchen. So,
you need to to research and say, "Hey,
is this a real place? Is this a a actual
organization that's doing things?"
Having your uh uh email address, your
phone number, your address, uh if you
have a a physical location just sort of
is another indicator say like, hey, this
is a legit organization. Um you should
interact with us. We're doing this this
good work. And the final one's a
technical one. Um but uh if you don't
have all of your SSL certificates
properly configured, uh you may have
even seen this on your own. You're going
to get a warning in your browser that
says like, "Danger, this site may be
trying to steal your credit card
information. don't enter anything. You
know, that's going to that puts an
immediate stop on any sort of uh
conversion you're going to get in there.
So, that's something that's really easy
to configure. And you want to make sure
on all of your platforms, your website,
your donation platform, your volunteer
platform, all that stuff, you lock that
down because uh, you know, if somebody's
seeing that, hey, your your website is
throwing off these dangerous warnings,
it's they're immediately going to, you
know, forget about you and they're not
likely to come back and you're going to
lose uh that potential trust that you
have to.
>> Sweet. Thanks, Julian. Um, so up until
this point we've been talking talking
mostly about like what the visitor is
seeing on your website. Uh, so now we're
going to shift a little bit behind the
scenes and talk about what happens after
a visitor takes takes action on your
site. Um, so this is where integration
starts to matter. So if somebody fills
out a form, if they donate, if they
register for an event, sign up for your
newsletter, where's that information
going? Is it moving into the right
system automatically? Um, or does
somebody on staff have to copy and paste
it somewhere manually? So um the
distinctions here might sound
operational but it does have a huge
impact on both your staff's time and
ultimately the supporters experience. Uh
the more connected your systems are are
to each other the more useful each
interaction is going to become. Um so
the simplest way to think about
integration is that the information
should go where it needs to go without
relying on a human to move it manually.
Um, so if somebody fills out a volunteer
form, that information should ideally
create or update a CRM record. If they
donate later, that donation should
connect to that same person who filled
out the volunteer form. So over time,
you're going to start to build more of a
complete picture of the relationship
between you, between your organization,
and each individual. Uh so instead of
just seeing one donation come in and one
event registration come in and then an
email sign up and see these as three
unrelated things, you can see that hey
this is the same supporter engaging with
your organization in multiple different
ways. Uh so that's where your
integrations are going to become useful
strategically. Uh you can start then
segmenting your communications and
sending people information based on what
they've done. You can identify patterns
in what actions people are taking. Um,
and then ultimately you can follow up
and try to convert them in more relevant
ways. Um, because all of your data is
connected.
And if you only remember one technical
relationship from this section, I would
make it your website and your CRM. Um,
so your CRM is where you're trying to
maintain a history of your relationships
with donors, volunteers, your
participants, supporters, or whoever is
matter whoever matters to your
organization. Um, but your CRM is only
as good as the information that is
flowing into it. Um, and obviously the
website is your one of your most
important sources of that information.
Um, because so many of the actions are
happening on your website, right? Um, a
donation can update a contact record and
it can trigger an automatic thank you
message. Um, a volunteer application can
start an intake process and send them an
email or send you a notification. Um, a
newsletter signup even can be tagged
based on the page where it happened. Um,
a CRM stands for customer relationship
management or constituent relationship
management system. Um, essentially it is
that system if you've heard of um,
systems like HubSpot or Salesforce. Even
Mailchimp has a CRM built in. Um, there
are so many different CRM options in out
there, but essentially that CRM system
is where you store all of your contact
data. Think of it as the contacts app on
your phone. Um that is the CRM on your
phone for all the people that you know.
You have their phone number, you have
you may have their email. Um but a CRM
for your organization would have their
email address. Um even website pages
that they've viewed, donations that
they've made. All of those different
pieces of information for each
individual are stored in the CRM. So
yeah, it's your customer database
essentially. Um, so essentially the CRM
and your website, that is that core
connection where if you're going to
connect any two of your systems, make it
be your website and your CRM.
Um,
website and donation platform. So, the
donation experience deserves special
attention here because this is one of
the highest value actions that somebody
can take on your website. Um, once
somebody is ready to give, you want that
experience for them to feel as seamless
and trustworthy as possible. So, like
Julian was talking about a little bit
earlier too, um, embedded forms can
reduce friction because the donor stays
within your website experience. So, we
see sometimes you'll have an outlink to
a PayPal or a Stripe page or anything
like that. You can actually embed those
forms directly into your website so
people don't have to click out of your
website. Um, campaign specific landing
pages can also help here because the
messaging can match the exact appeal
that brought somebody there. So, if
somebody clicks on a social media post
um or on your Instagram story or on a
Google ad even um that web page that
they get brought to can appeal exactly
to why they clicked on that ad, right?
So, um and you also don't want to forget
the post-donation experience. So, a
thank you page can do a lot more than
just say, "We received your gift." Um, a
thank you page or a thank you email can
reinforce your organization's impact. It
can invite them to perform another form
of engagement. So, like follow you on
Instagram or something like that. Um, it
can it can essentially deepen the
relationship with you and with you and
the donor, right? So, the gift itself is
one thing. Um, but if you can catch that
person and get them caught into
everything, if you can get them to
follow you somewhere on social media or
anything like that, um, it can it can
end in a much longer supporter journey
with them.
So this slide um, introduces the idea of
a tech stack, right? So the tech stack
is essentially um, like we had on that
previous slide, we had the website in
the middle and everything around it. So
that entire ecosystem is your tech
stack, right? Um so what it really is is
the group of systems that your
organization is using together. So your
website, your CRM like we've talked
about, your email platform, your
donation tool if you've got PayPal or
Give Butter or any of those systems. Um
everything that supports your digital
work is essentially your tech stack. Um,
so the important thing here isn't just
which tools you use and which tools
which tools you're choosing. It's how
well they connect, right? So you can
have five great individual systems and
still have a poor overall setup if they
don't talk to each other and integrate
with one another, right? Um, so when
you're evaluating which systems to use,
whether you're adopting a CRM for the
first time, um, or if you're trying to
figure out which email marketing
platform you should use, um, you should,
one of the best questions that you can
ask yourself here is how does this fit
into what we're already using? If we, if
our organization needs a new CRM and
we're not sure where to start, let's
start looking at CRM that integrate with
our pre-existing systems, right? Um, a
tool, one thing too is a tool with
slightly fewer features but stronger
integrations may actually create more
value for your organization um than than
a tool with all of the different
features in the world, but it can't
connect to anything else, right?
>> Yeah. So, we've been talking a lot about
the mindset and strategy and now let's
try and start to uh put this into
practice. So this ongoing optimization
is where a lot of this comes from just
an idea to something you know a habit
you're building in in real life here.
So uh uh growth driven design this is
you know what we base uh uh all of our
work here or I should say most if not
all of our work here at taparound. So
you know we have the the project which
is like hey we're going to do this we're
going to build this uh uh website and
then you know in five years we'll come
take another look at it here. you know,
it starts with really understanding what
this this website uh needs to do. Um
what are your your goals? Who are the
people that you're trying to reach? Your
audiences, um what are the specific
paths you're going to be taking
throughout all the all the different
areas online you're you're in. So
figuring out where you are now and what
you need to do um moves you right into
actually building something that is uh
uh lean, fast, focused on on those goals
and those you know specific audiences
and you can get something up and running
um focused around those those core
aspects and then we we monitor. So you
need to look at how people are using it.
Um you know that can be through things
like heat maps, it can be through you
know solicited feedback. um you can be,
you know, playing back some of the the
sessions in and some analytics tools,
figuring out what exactly needs to be,
you know, updated with real data versus,
you know, somebody's coming in saying
like, I don't care for, you know, uh uh
this area on the homepage, and you're
like, okay, well, is it serving our
goals? We can look at the data. And that
way, you're not relying on sort of
anecdotal evidence that you've just sort
of like heard around the water cooler or
something. And then you get into step
four, which is making these targeted
updates based on that data. So then, you
know, you basically go back between
steps three and four, and you're saying,
"Okay, we're we're looking at what's
happening. Uh is it meeting our goals?
Is it serving the people we're trying to
to serve? If not, let's make that
change." Periodically, you'll go back
and, you know, if you were going to add
a new section like a a large resource
hub or, you know, a a member portal or
something, you go back to step one. But
still, you're all focused around uh uh
building this as as a as a living
product rather than a static thing that
you nail exactly the first time. That's
perfect and will never need to be
updated. If you find a website like
that, let me know. I'm very interested
in it. Um but for for most
organizations, you're going to be, you
know, much better served by, you know,
adopting this this cyclical uh view of
things.
So, you know, I also know a lot of
nonprofits aren't coming in here saying,
"Okay, I'm ready for a new website right
now." Perhaps you just uh uh did one uh
you know not too long ago or you don't
have the budget for one right now. These
are are metrics that are going to help
when you are ready um and that everybody
should sort of start keeping an eye on
um uh today. So the first one is
conversion rate. So this is one of the
big ones. You've set up this this
website as this platform, this tool for
people to engage. How are you tracking
if they're actually taking those
actions? um you know the donations uh
signing up for the newsletter,
registering for an event or a program or
anything like that. Um you know start
collecting this information. There'll be
something through like a Google Tag
Manager. Uh Google Analytics also sort
of has some stuff in there that can
help. Um but then you're we're going to
look at some of these uh other things
like your average session duration. How
long are they on there? The bounce rate.
Are they landing on your website, not
doing anything, and leaving? you know,
um you want to make sure that all your
most important pages have a relatively
low bounce rate cuz again, your your
donation page is geared around getting
that donation. If people aren't doing
that on that page, something's up. Um
you know, uh completing goals, figuring
out where your traffic is coming from.
Is it coming from social media? Is it
coming from your Google Ad Grant stuff?
Is it coming, you know, directly or out
of your newsletter? Um how people are
viewing mobile versus desktop. So you
have not just the the visitors that are
on there but also you know the
performance um of the website on both of
those uh that goes into the sort of the
page speed score and also the form
abandonment rate. This is one that can
be sneaky because, you know, uh uh you
want to have a form that captures as
much information as possible so that
your first touch if you're going to
reach out to, you know, a a possible new
contact, um you know, you you can waste
less time getting the basic information,
just capture that up front. But if
you're seeing that a lot of people are
starting this form, but they're not
making it all the way to the end to
actually submit that information,
saying, "Hey, there there's some sort of
friction here. there's we're asking too
much or uh we're asking for information
that people don't readily have on hand
or something that's preventing them from
actually moving forward um and and uh
completing that form and giving you that
information.
So you know AI this is something that
can help with you know a lot of things
and the key thing is work smarter not
harder. So if we look at this sort of uh
uh workflow up top, a donation is coming
in. It's recorded in the system. The
thank you email goes out that's
personalized. It updates all your
analytics and now your your reports and
your dashboards are automatically
updated. Um no one on your team actually
needs to spend the time doing those
things. Having AI come in here um is is
going to reduce the actual amount of
time people are are doing these tedious
tasks for. And that's really where where
it shines. Um it it can do a lot as well
whether it's flagging laps donors so
somebody who used to donate monthly and
is now uh no longer doing it um getting
the personalized thank you notes you
know mapped properly depending on you
know the donation amounts and things
like that. So instead of just giving a
receipt you can start to give you hey
this person has given x number of
dollars over the past calendar year. Um
incorporating that into your thank you
emails making a little more personal
that way. segmenting your lists based
off of behavior. So that way, you know,
you're not just trying to go with this
really broad approach with a message
that's going to resonate with every type
of donor, every type of engage uh
engagement or event attendee. You're
able to to segment these and and get
really specific and relevant messages uh
to each. So uh the rule of thumb here is
get AI to handle the repetitive work
that everybody hates doing. you know,
nobody has the hours for and keep the
strategy, the thinking and all the
storytelling aspects uh of what you're
doing, you know, uh keep that on the
human side and that is going to, I
think, you know, uh uh really amplify
it's going to free up uh uh your people
to do better people work and it's going
to take away all these tedious things
that could be prone to errors with all
the the uh manual copying and pasting
and updating and sort of hand that off
to uh machines that are very good at
calculating things here.
And so metrics tell you what's happening
but to understand why um you know it's
important to see how people are using
the site um you know real people not
just sort of like aggregate data here.
So there's a couple uh tools that we we
have in here. We have heat maps, scroll
depth, click tracking and session
reportings. So, these are often free or
low cost and they're going to give you
an extra level of insight that sort of
aggregates uh analytics aren't going to,
you know, for heat maps, you want to see
where people are are clicking or tapping
if they're on their phones, how they're
moving their mouse. Um, scroll depth is
saying, okay, if you have this big long
page, are people actually getting to the
bottom of it? If not, you're going to
want to shorten that or make sure that
your important information isn't all the
way at the bottom because people aren't
going down that far. Session recordings
is another one. Um, so this is basically
coming in saying, "How are people using
it?" People can give feedback saying,
"Oh, I found this difficult to use or I
couldn't find XYZ." But until you see
them search where they were expecting
things to be um you know functionality
that that uh would help them along this
path that isn't there you know you're
going to get a lot of that out of the
session recordings and then click
tracking. So click tracking is an
interesting one because um very similar
data can be found by default in
analytics. So if you're trying to um you
know figure out if you have a pop out
sidebar and you're saying should we keep
this or not? are people actually using
this pop out sidebar to, you know, find
specific resources or or book a class or
something like that? Um, you may want
you may want to look at the the page
views or those destination pages that
are within it. That doesn't really tell
you how people are using the uh the
sidebar. It's telling you, you know, are
people getting to the place behind the
sidebar. So, by tracking clicks, you're
seeing, okay, are they opening an
interactive panel to see more
information? Um, if you have the same
link in two different areas on a page,
you know, which one are they clicking,
which one is actually driving people,
you know, further down that user
journey, you know, taking, you know,
information from these things like the
heat maps and the session recordings and
the click tracking, it's going to give
you such a deeper level of insight than
just sort of aggregate page views or or
or session durations or things like
that. Even though those are helpful, um,
you know, it's just going to keep you
from guessing. Having having something
that you can point back to and say, "We
need to make this change because this is
the behavior we're observing in the
data." Um, it's going to keep you so
much more efficient. Um, and give you
that confidence to be able to say, "Hey,
this is going to be worth the time and
effort and money we're spending on on
making this change because this is
addressing this real problem that we're
seeing in the data versus trying to make
an an educated guess down the line.
So to to close the loop here uh data is
most useful I would say if it's driving
decisions. So here we have common things
that the analytics is going to surface
um and then you know some action items
for you to do. So if you have a lot of
traffic on a page but people aren't
converting that's saying okay maybe you
need to make your call to action a
little more clear. Maybe you need to uh
uh declutter that page so it's more
focused around the actual thing uh that
you want uh people to do. If visitors
are hitting one page and then they're
leaving right after, um maybe that's
something where you need to start to add
related content. You need to uh uh give
better ways for users to move throughout
the site on their own uh by suggesting
things through calls to actions. Um
maybe they're they're not landing on a
page they were expecting to. We see that
often. You know, if somebody is is
putting out a Google ad, they may spend
a lot of time crafting this message.
Somebody clicks on it and then the
landing page has nothing to do with what
they just saw in the ad. You want to
make sure that, you know, uh uh the page
content is is matching the intent of the
people who are coming there. You're
seeing that that form abandonment we
talked about before. Easy one. Shorten
the form. um you know, make sure that
you're getting the the extra stuff
either right as optional things right
before the submit button um or you're
just able to to keep it down to, you
know, your name, your email, the amount
you'd like to donate. You know, if your
mobile balance rate is much higher than
the desktop, take a look at that mobile
version. You know, you can do it on your
phone, you can do some emulation in in
browsers for free, but just see, you
know, what the load speed is. Are are
the buttons able to be clicked? They may
look like they're clickable, but maybe
there's something, you know, invisible
overlaying things that's just making it
harder for folks to actually, you know,
accomplish um, you know, any of these
conversions. A big thing happens with
um, if you embed your say donation form
or other registration forms via an
iframe, you know, they're not very
responsive. They don't always work very
well um, when your site condenses down
to mobile. So you need to be checking
these things just to make sure that hey
if most of our users are going to be
coming in on these smaller devices the
website needs to perform at that that
aspect ratio.
Now if you're seeing that your email
campaign is getting a lot of people to
your website but nobody's actually
completing those conversions see where
you're sending them. You know if you're
sending them to a very general page
after having a very specific email ask
you know you're really relying on them
to know where to go and to seek that
out. Um, again, you want to capture that
that zeal that somebody has when they
click to engage saying, "You know what?
This is worth my time, worth my money,
worth my attention." Um, every campaign
you're putting together, um, you know,
put together a landing page. Again, we
want this to be one single place that's
focused as a tool around a specific
conversion action. And so, if you have
different campaigns running, you're
going to need different pages to support
the information that you have in here.
And this is one that we see. Um, you
know, your program pages have have
almost no traffic. Um, you know,
internal links are going to be a big
one. You know, because program pages are
often, you know, on on a subpage from
the homepage and then there may be a
program's listing page and then each
program might have its own individual
landing page. So, if you're trying to
get attention for a specific program,
um, if you want people to find it
organically, take a look at your search
engine optimization. So, improve those
metad descriptions. Make sure you're
using the proper keywords. We talked
about jargon a little while ago. You
know, uh we had a client who who talked
about, you know, navigating health
systems. Um but, you know, they they
used all this uh uh language that you
would see in a grant, the people they
were trying to reach did not use that
language. So, as they were typing in
their questions, their concerns um into
things like Google, uh the landing page
and and their website wasn't popping up
because it didn't match the language of
their intended audience. And then
finally, you know, the ad brand is a big
one. Uh if you have some very important
programs, run some Google ads for it. Um
it'll give you some insights to apply uh
on your organic side with search engine
optimization. Um but you know, uh uh
making sure that again if if this
program is one of the big aspects of
your organization, make sure that people
can find it. Either if they're already
on your website, they searching in
Google, um you know, make sure there's
ways for them to get here to that page.
And so I mentioned that um you know uh I
mentioned journey maps a little bit. And
so this is sort of looking at uh uh
things as they're connected a bit more.
So uh on the left hand side you have how
people are coming in. Um so they may
have something through uh a Google
search. They may see something on social
media or an ad or they may get one of
your emails. And then, you know,
depending on where they are or how
familiar they are with you, you know,
maybe they're just going to be, you
know, sent to the about page of your
website or to some of this social proof
with your testimonials or success
stories. You know, maybe if they're
already registered via your, you know,
your newsletter, you're inviting them to
your annual gala. Um, and then, you
know, there's a subpage in there about
how donations are used. And you can see
you're basically getting more and more
familiar as you're going to the right.
Finally, you have that donation action.
And that's where you start to send in
the the automations where you're getting
the thank you emails, you know, giving
them updates after the campaign has
ended, what you've been able to do with
those funds, um, asking for for
testimonials, and, you know, getting
some of these recurring donations up.
You want to think of this as a a set of
actions. So, just like the website is a
a platform, a tool that you're going to,
you know, incorporate data into and uh
uh you know, iterate on over time, you
know, you're not just putting out
something on social media and checking
off a box that says, I posted on social
media, you know, we've met our marketing
goals. You want to say I post on social
media which drove people to this landing
page which then was able to drive people
you know uh to our donation platform to
get this much um uh you know increased
uh uh uh donations this quarter. You
want to start looking at these things as
entire systems and platforms that are
working together versus isolated actions
that you're taking you know in a
complete vacuum here.
>> All right. So just a few more things
before we get into Q&A. I know we have a
lot of questions here, so I'll try to
get this through this section a little
bit quickly, but um at this point you
may be thinking we have all this
information um but we don't have the
capacity to overhaul everything on our
website. Um the the big thing here is
we're not trying to push people to
rebuild your entire website and your
entire digital ecosystem tomorrow. It
the really the big thing here is to
identify the next few improvements that
will create the most value for your
organization. Um, so we've put together
these next couple slides here, uh, for
your benefit, right? So, these are
things again, we're going to be sharing
the slides after the presentation here.
Uh, you'll probably get them later this
afternoon or if not first thing tomorrow
morning, but um, this 30-day action plan
breaks the work into four man manageable
weeks. Uh, so week one is really about
understanding what you have. Review your
analytics, check your mobile experience,
identify your outdated content, and
decide what your number one conversion
goal is. Um, that can be super helpful.
It's a great first step for that first
week of this 30-day action plan. Uh,
week two here is to focus on trust and f
freshness. Um, so here you'll want to
remove some of those outdated pages or
update some of those outdated update
outdated pages, sorry. Um, update your
make sure your copyright year and your
footer information is correct in your
website. Um, and then add or refresh at
least one impact set on your homepage.
So again, that homepage is that first
place that people are going to see on
your site. Make sure that everything
there is accurate and maybe even update
something if you have that new updated
information. Um, week three here is
focusing is focus on calls to action and
navigation. Uh, so make sure that your
donate button is in the header. Um,
maybe even rewrite rewrite um your three
most visited page headlines to be more
specific to what they actually are. Um,
define one CTA per page. So, make sure
that each page on your website has a
call to action. Um, and then review your
site navigation. So, you may have 20
different things in your header
navigation bar. Maybe reduce it a bit.
Add some uh some compounding sub menus
in there. Um, some things like that. And
then the last step here is week four,
plan for ongoing improvement. So, um
this step matters because if you're
going to schedule your next audit right
now, uh you're just creating a habit,
right? So, one of the most simplest ways
um to look at this is plan your website
for ongoing improvement. Make sure that
you're not just doing everything right
now as a big project. Again, this is you
want to look at your website more of of
a platform rather than a project. You
want to continuously be improving your
website. um have content that you're
scheduling regularly, things like that.
Um again, this is just a four-step plan.
Um week one, two, three, four. Even this
is even something that you could do on a
monthly basis, right? So, um I hope this
is helpful for people. And then here we
have a homepage self- assessment
checklist. Um so, we have 10 things on
this page. Um, what I would even do is
maybe even because we're not going to be
sending this right away, take a
screenshot and then open your homepage
after this webinar. If you score we have
we have we say on here eight plus is
passing. I would say if you have six,
seven or eight at least, um, I'd say
your homepage is in a really good spot.
Um, there's a lot of different things on
here, right? So clarity, make sure that
your headlines are specific. Make sure
that you have a call to action on your
website. Um, do you have a donate button
that's visible, whether it be in the
header or visible on your pages? Um,
making sure that your content is recent
and accurate to what is happening now
and a little bit in the future and a
little bit in the past. If you have
something that pops up from 2017 on your
homepage, that's a huge problem, right?
So, a lot of different things in here.
Um, and what I like about this is that
it focuses on usefulness rather than
just aesthetics of your website. Um, you
can have the most beautiful website in
the world, but it can still score a one
or two on this on this uh checklist. So,
um, yeah, just a handful of different
things here that you can look at to see
where your website is at right now.
So, um, you know, TAP has worked with
hundreds of nonprofits at this point.
Um, and you know, we're we're focused on
everything from your communications to
uh uh your platforms to your design and
sort of general uh uh branding overall.
And so one of the things that we have
here is is I think a really exciting
opportunity uh for 10 nonprofits each
quarter. Um this is basically a a AI
roadmap for your uh for your
organization, for your website. You
know, this is going to be fully funded.
Um we have some some eligibility
criteria Zach will go over right on the
next slide. But uh this is basically
we're going to meet with you take in all
the information uh that you have see you
know what you're working with right now
where you want to go as an organization
what sort of tools you're using and then
present you at the end with a plan
something that you can you know execute
on. This could be ready if you have a
board that you need to sort of
collaborate with has all the information
ready to go um uh uh right after uh the
roadmap call. Um, so you'll be able to
keep that for free. Um, and this is
something that I think is going to help
some of these organizations um that that
we see with so much potential really
execute on that potential and be able to
find things and and step into this
growth driven design by incorporating AI
into a lot a lot of their platforms, you
know.
>> Yeah. So, I put the link in the chat
there um just for a direct link to the
landing page for more information. Um
but this specific opportunity does have
some eligibility criteria um around
budget, staffing, program maturity,
things like that. So um those thresholds
are there because this is a fairly
hands-on strategic engagement. So we're
going to be working with your
organization um directly. Um the goal
here is to work with organizations that
are in a plan that are in a position to
act on the road map once it's been
created. Right? So, um, if you don't
meet the criteria, if it doesn't mean
that there aren't resources available,
um, it just means a different starting
point, um, may make more sense for your
organization. So, um, I definitely check
this out. Like I said, I put the link in
the chat. Um, and yeah, we're offering
this to 10 nonprofits per quarter. So,
um, yeah, definitely see if it if if it
makes sense for your organization.
>> And, you know, uh, we just have a couple
offers to go through here before we get
into the Q&As's. Um, here's two things
we're saying. you know, if you're not
ready, just sort of take these these big
things on right away. We do offer some,
you know, uh, retainer packages here,
have a standard in or premium. Um, you
can read about them here. Just because I
want to leave time for questions, we're
going to move a little quickly. One of
the big things here that you are going
to get with both of them is early access
to Tap HQ. That's going to be a a system
really purpose-built for nonprofits to
do all their best work. Um, you know,
we'll be able to share a little bit more
about that, uh, soon, but this is going
to be a really big benefit, you know, if
you're coming on through one of our
retainer packages, um, you're going to
get into that platform a lot earlier
than everybody else. Um, you know, if
you're looking at this and you've heard
us talk and you're like, you know, I I
do think it's time to to basically, you
know, start with this this growth driven
website right away, you know, uh, you
can reach out to us. We'd be happy to
talk to you. our our websites typically
tend to start around $15,000.
And then we have um HubSpot here. So,
you know, I know I've seen a lot of
questions about CRM um you know, that
we're going to get to, but uh we are a
HubSpot shop, a HubSpot uh partner, and
it's really, I think, going to be the
tool for
I I hesitate to use an absolute, but all
nonprofits. I think, you know, if you
have a a challenge um or or a specific
configuration, Hops could be able to
adapt to it and be very useful for you.
Um if you're on Tech Soup's sites, um we
have just uh the things highlighted
here, the website services, digital
marketing services, and the AI for
nonprofits. Click on those, you're going
to see what we're all about, what we
have to offer. Um but you can always,
you know, reach out to us um as well.
And with that, questions. So, Zach, I
see we have a lot in the Q&A section.
>> Yeah, I tried to answer a few here, but
uh there's just a few that I feel like
you'd be really good at just off the
bat. Um we have a question from Dominica
just asking about um they have their
website on Wix right now. Um some people
are saying, "Hey, stay with Wix. Move
maybe some people are saying move to
WordPress." Um obviously there's great
reasons for both of those. What would
you say is kind of the best option, Wix
versus WordPress, short-term, long term?
>> Yeah. So, um, WordPress is going to
require a little more development
knowledge. So, depending on, you know,
your the web designer, uh, she's saying,
uh, I have a a team starting up with a
designer and a creative director, all
this stuff. The sites on Wix right now,
WordPress is going to be able to adapt
to, uh, uh, pretty much any of your
needs, but it requires a setup. With
Wix, you're really going to be locked
into that platform. So, you're not going
to be able to do as much if you're
trying to integrate platforms. You're
going to hit some walls a little bit
quicker. Their sort of uh uh design
system is also, I think, a a little more
tricky to work with to get consistently
uh high quality results. Their
templating system um you know, doesn't
quite quite match up. So, you know, for
small teams, Wix can be really helpful
because you don't need to be a web
developer to sort of put something
really nice looking together, but you're
really trying to grow and expand, you
know, what your your website can do,
turning into a platform. WordPress is
going to, I think, be a better option
long term for that. But again, uh the
end goal isn't necessarily for for one
of these growth driven uh uh design
websites, isn't to use a specific
platform, to have it look a certain way.
Um, all that we really care about is how
it can be used by the user and how it
can help make your life easier and your
team's life easier. You know, we're
focusing on this as a tool, not
necessarily something that we can hold
up and say, "Hey, I've based on this
rubric, I have the perfect website." Um,
you you want to be able to accomplish
these.
Um, I see another uh question here uh
from an anonymous attendee. uh uh what
site quality sing uh signals do you
recommend prioritizing to pass automated
reviews for programs like Google ad
grants? And if a legitimate site gets
flagged as generic or unverifiable,
what's the most effective way to get
that reverse? Um it's going to sound a
little silly, but the most effective way
is to make it less generic. Um, so you
know, especially if you're if you're
trying to qualify for these ad grants,
uh, you need to make sure that it's not
just sort of again putting things on the
site that sort of like pass if
somebody's taking a very quick look at
it. You want it to be connected to what
you're actually doing, who you are, the
impact you're having on things. Uh,
those trust signals we talked about also
go a long way. testimonials. Um, knowing
that this isn't just sort of something
that somebody spun up, created
something, you know, a website, call
themselves a nonprofit, you want to be
able to share all these things that sort
of make the work you're doing important.
Even if you're just getting started and
you don't have a lot of social proof
yet, that can then be your your
marketing goals. It's not just saying,
"Hey, you're going to build a website
and that website is immediately going to
turn your organization successful." It's
going to help enable the work you're
already doing and the work you want to
do. Um, and so, uh, some very quick
things, uh, you know, on a technical
level, uh, make sure that you have, you
know, a good amount of content on your
pages so they're not just sort of blank
with a couple words in there. Um, all
your things are secure and updated. Um,
and it's just generally going to be
clean and presentable. Those are some
really quick things here, but again, I
would focus on on um getting getting it
less generic and bringing in the more
social proof aspects uh of what you're
doing in there.
>> We have a few different questions just
talking about uh which CRM to integrate
with CRM with a WordPress site. Um, like
Julian said, uh, we are a HubSpot
partner, but honestly, like even if I
wasn't a HubSpot partner, working with
HubSpot for the past number of years,
I've recommended HubSpot to even just my
personal friends in life. Um, HubSpot is
great for whether you're a small
organization or a large organization.
Um, there's great um, integration
capabilities with it. It'll integrate
with your WordPress site extremely
seamlessly. Um, but also I think that
it's great. Um I know there is quite a
big jump from the starter level to the
professional level especially with
pricing. Um but that starter level of
HubSpot does offer you a lot of
different um capabilities and tools and
features and all sorts of things there.
So um we definitely recommend HubSpot.
Um, I know I've put this in the in the
comments a couple times here, but I'll
drop the link for the Tech Soup landing
page. Um, where if you want to submit on
the uh the form at the bottom of the
page, um, somebody on our team will
review your information and get back to
you within the next couple of days or
so. Um, we
Oh, yeah. Sorry, Alena. Um, I would just
recommend um I'll I'll I'll reach out to
you directly, but um yeah, definitely
recommend to anybody just interested in
whether it be HubSpot or um any CRM
recommendations, WordPress work, um
definitely fill out the form at the
bottom of that landing page and um we'll
we'll review your information and get
back to you.
>> Yeah, I think we have time for one more
question and so we won't be able to get
to all of them. I apologize, but I think
this one I'm going to choose because
it'll be applicable, I think, to a lot
more folks. Lorraine asks, "What do you
suggest for a nonprofit focused on
substance use where the website visitors
are anonymous? Uh they go to the website
to access an online meeting and are not
required to register with contact
information. This is going to be, you
know, uh uh two different, you know,
areas you're going to want to look at.
Um the first one is you're going to
present opportunities for people to
provide you that uh that information."
So, you don't want to necessarily gate
access to those meetings, but you want
to make sure that you have your
secondary calls to action. Um, you know,
if if they are sort of on on, you know,
a journey to to help with substance
abuse, you know, when they are ready,
making sure you have these resources
ready and available to capture that
information when the user is. You're not
trying to force them to be ready. You're
you're uh uh presenting the opportunity
when it's going to match what the user
wants to do. Second one is getting into
those other indicators that can track
you know um you know the success of
something. So um you'll be able to do
click tracking on the you know join
meeting button. With that you're not
necessarily saying okay Julian is
joining this meeting. You're able to say
okay hey this many people come to the
page this many people join the meeting.
U you'll be able to track sort of
sessions anonymously through Google
Analytics as well. So I would think of
it as capturing information that can
demonstrate the value of of what you're
doing on that website and then also
having areas for people to deanmize
themselves when they are ready to sort
of partner with you uh more. And so you
know uh you're going to run into this
issue a lot of times when somebody is
you know uh not authorizing cookies. If
you have a GDPR banner in there you lose
out on some of this information. So you
need to make sure that you're capturing
data and you are offering uh people the
opportunity to provide you more
information and integrate that way as
well. Uh we are one minute over. I
apologize for that. Um but thank you
everybody so much for your time. I will
send uh uh these these slides out very
shortly. Um and I hope you have a
wonderful rest of the day.