How Gravity, Light, and Experience, Render Reality

Hi, Natalie. Good to see you again. I know it's been so long. I know. I know. I know. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We share so much code around how to say what reality is and Yeah. and we've we've done some episodes together before and they've been very powerful and we we like diving into each other's frameworks and how our frameworks uh overlap with one another and how they serve, consciousness, awakening, healing, building these regenerative communities, all this stuff. So, I'm looking forward to this conversation. You can uh Natalie's YouTube channel is in the links in the description if you want to go check that out as well. Um Natalie, so how have you been these last couple of years? >> It's been uh on the one hand very intense like an accelerated uh >> accelerated laundry machine. >> Yeah, >> accelerating laundry machine. >> That's a great one. >> Uh especially especially since I live in Lesbos. This island is in the northern Eian close to Turkey. It's a Greek island and you this island the the volcanic energy the the waters the spirit the archetypal energies that are on this >> right >> terrestrial and the sea are so powerful there's nowhere to run away run toward >> escape it's like you are facing everything you are dealing with it's right here right >> so it's been very intense And that connected also to the Middle East. It's been wow. So like being a 5-year-old uh war refugee. >> Yeah. >> So this this programming around war war consciousness conflict. >> Yeah. >> Uh it's almost resurfacing back into a real war that people are actually many people are suffering. This also resurfaced in my consciousness. So in you know in the way I see it in our sphere of reality creation there's the forefront and then there's the background and many many things came to the forefront and there were spinning quite intensely. So it's been an intense two years. So there was a war, there is a conflict, there is the move to Lesbos, there is the building of my home. uh and dealing with all the parts that have not yet liberated themselves. So, it's been very intense and then my relationship with particular people, >> right? >> Some of it I shared with you offline with my mother and so forth. So, it's been very intense, very intense. With that being said, an accelerated awakening. This is what I want to say because the awakening is not about the models as much and the ideas and the um the teachings. It's about what happens in the actual physical, emotional, mental, relational body. >> Yeah. >> It's the real thing. >> Yep. Yeah. Exactly. That accelerated washing machine. So funny. So true. And yeah, it's all that's happening inside the body and the and the mind and not if a conceptual model can can facilitate an observer's kind of deeper understanding of their washing machine. That's great. But that's really its use in a way. Um, yeah. And you're also re as the washing machine is spinning and bringing the detergent and the all the elements the washing machine itself is reprogramming itself. So there is a process of >> like a purification and initiation >> and so the process itself is also reprogramming itself. You understand? So it's not only me being in the washing machine of life. >> Yeah. >> But the actual process is reprogramming in real time. So this because we are always in real time. >> So it's been very very fascinating. And then to learn from that and then to work with trauma, you know, Palestinians and Israelis and uh >> right >> people people that are actually in these war zones and are developing cancer and are developing mental disorders and anxiety and lack of sleep and like and losing their brothers, their sisters, their families, whole families getting wiped out. So there's all this kind of like the trauma of this planet >> Yeah. is is kind of re resurfacing in this area and also of course the zoom in and the zoom out meaning I am in the washing machine I am a part of this whole thing and I'm also of service and I'm also watching the cosmic perspective and the maya and the lia and the whole >> rendering we're going to get into the >> reality rendering ing mechanisms, process and mechanism and structure. >> Yeah. >> Which is always it the reality rendering machine or the reality rendering lenses and perspectives themselves are are an alive thing that are being updated all the time. >> Yeah. >> So there's nothing like okay this is how it is. These are the rules. This is the quantum physics. No, even the rules or the the actual equations are always updating >> as the universe is expanding. >> Yep. Yeah. all those all those layers and levels simultaneously like it's like a lot of the the spiritual literature and wisdom it does try to point to the nature of consciousness that is transcendent of the washing machine. >> Exactly. A and then what's realized is that there is no way to leave yourself as also the washing machine experience. The kind of the the point of the fullness is to be in the thought and the emotion and the feeling and the transformation and the healing and the light show and all that. So it's like yeah you can get pointed to this spacious transcendent nature of consciousness and then it always gets rebalanced like a coin with the other side and that's actually how I how I fundamentally see gravity and light as the fundamental nature of infinite consciousness or God. So that's my sort of my contribution to you know new physics is that is that so this is sort of where I've been the last couple years and you spoke a lot about the one of the core things happening in the washing machine is the the trauma the war traumas and and really trying to to heal those multigenerational traumas which I'm very very passionate about. Um, and what I feel like I'm most passionate about is the the understanding of how of how gravity is so fundamental to reality. It's the and I I actually say it as it's a fundamental conscious force. It's gravity. The observer itself is a has a gravitational nature to it. like the pupils themselves, the observer's pupils are the same nature as the cosmic vacuum. So the same thing that's generating a space-time medium is the same thing that that protrudes itself as these pupils. So, first of all, that that is such a radical departure from the problems that plague physics today. Because what plagues physics today is that there is this strange thing called general relativity, which contributes to space-time curvature. And then there's this other weird thing called quantum mechanics which describes the entangled superpositioned and probabilistic nature of quantum fields and the phenomenons that appear in front of our eyes and that that appear as these worlds. And then these things don't really interact with consciousness or the observer at all. But in reality they they fundamentally do. But that's the that's the main problem that plagues physics is kind of the the inability to not only reconcile general relativity and quantum mechanics but also the inability to reconcile a conscious observer into that whole equation. So what we just did and what we just said was that we started to speak of physics in a way that actually integrates consciousness in the observer in a very funky and weird way because we're not integrating it at the level of an emergent phenomena like science will often say consciousness is an emergent phenomena that occurs out of some sort of neurobiological material and that's how it happens. And what we're actually saying is we're we're connecting consciousness or the observer to the fundamental cosmic fabric itself. And then it's it's light show of what it's looking at. these these hologric holograms that it's looking at those are those are also that same fundamental package. There's no separation of that fundamental package. So the fundamental package is like a cosmic fabric that is the observer that is looking at its holographic appearance. and that's a fundamental package that can't be separated those pieces of that something along those lines. So that's my main I would say that's my main passion and then secondarily with that is these regenerative communities because basically as you wake up you realize that to be enslaved to a system of inflation and taxation in perpetuity is not a correct way of living anymore. It served in the past, but it's no longer what we want anymore. The same sort of tribal dynamics where you would have 10 or 20 people living in a community from thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago. We're basically taking those same dynamics and we are applying super modern technology to them. So we're allowing people to have a 10 or 20 person tribal experience in these what I call a hyper microlo regenerative community and then within those you have all these regenerative systems. So, you have a regenerative water system, a regenerative energy system, a regenerative food system that's all powered by AI and sensors and data. And it allows you to be free of needing to sell your time for money to pay for those basic needs. So then you're waking up every day in that hyper microlo community where all your basic needs are met and you are a sovereign 10 to 20 person tribal system that is deciding everything. There's no outsourcing to an elected representative and we just travel between these communities through like electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles or whatever we want to transit between these. So the earth gets you know one one 10,000th of the total sunlight energy that the earth gets is enough to power all of civilization. So, you know, whether we increase our energy, even if we increase our energy intake and of solar by a order of magnitude, we're still only using 1 1,000th of the total solar that's hitting the Earth. Um, and that's not even speaking of the other futuristic forms of energy. Anyway, so that's my I would say that's my total a big total sum of my passion and then there's also choices this game that we I think I've talked about a little bit but that would be my reflection and all of that has to do with what you were describing as well sort of these varying levels of scope from the washing machine to seeing the leela the light as the whole. Yeah. >> Yeah. So uh since I started visiting Greece and taking part in different communities in Greece and taking part in different regenerative communities in Portugal and other places around Europe and California, there are two major components that are really important. One is how do people get along with each other with very very different perspectives and ways of life and ideas and desires. And this is a whole intelligence by itself. A whole intelligence and a whole um way of learning to live together. Let's say if you have 20, you said 10 20 people, how do they actually live together expressed, connected, uh thriving, uh fulfilled? This is this is a major thing. It's not so easy. It's actually even more ch more comp complex than what we are describing here because what happened you if you have 20 humans 20 people that come from different places in the world with different perspective you actually have 20 universes >> that have to start >> correct just I just want to clarify that the the groups of 10 to 20 would be vi in in vibrational alignment. So correct. Yeah. So that that's the main thing. >> So the the the main >> um thing that feels weird in the the waveforms of the existing system is that they don't feel like the wave the waveforms don't feel like they they reinforce each other. They actually feel like they're slightly off. And then that's why you why we have the difficulties that you're talking about in the consensus mechanisms with our communities is because it doesn't feel like those waveforms are in alignment. Whereas what we're now talking about these hyper microlo regenerative communities the 10 to 20 that would come together would be in a full waveform alignment. So that way it would it would feel like it's reinforcing. So the I it would primarily be that the that the ideologies of those 10 to 20 that are together would be in such harmony in such congruence that it this is also the fascinating thing is then you we would not need the external taxation the line item on our taxes around the police state. That's the other this is these are the other interesting things. We pay a tax for a police state to police the nation state and the uh cities and the communities because we don't have that alignment and because we're selling our time for our basic needs and we're struggling in that way. So that's sort of where we're going is we're removing these line items as well. Yes. Right. Right. So the first point I was making is when 20 people come together, there are 20 universes that are meeting and starting to orbit all their dimensions. So you have the physical, emotional, sensual, uh mental, relational, historic, uh intergenerational trauma. And I mean you bring all of that all of this universe you bringing and we start to orbit around each other into dance actually it's not orbiting it's dancing okay dance is the closest thing I'm I so this is quite challenging I have seen it here because I've been here a few years >> uh and I have taken part and I also started a few communities it is quite tricky to bring these 20 people even if they are in harmony initially because there are 20 different universes there is a whole process and structure that is necessary that we have to render and actually it's a part of the technological future that I see these processes and these structures of how we come together >> as community and how do we allow the full selfression of a person >> while building something together it's actually the body is an amazing example Because the heart tissue is very different than the liver tissue. They're really selfexpressing themselves but yet working in harmony and in extreme intelligence. There's an intelligence that is unfathomable. I believe this intelligence we have to kind of still this is this is my belief from from my own experience. We still have to to decode it. So that's one aspect. The second aspect is how can it be sustained? how this community can be sustained and thrive not only for food and shelter and water and the basic but I'm talking about all the evolving needs because our needs are also evolving. So how do we create a community that not only satisfy the basic needs for all the members and the communities around it but really more than basic needs. This is also tricky that I believe this is a conversation we can have you and I offline about that. >> Well, this is so perfect. >> I mean, you're we need to have it online. >> Wait, wait. I'm going to go ahead plant a flag because I have one last point about >> I will plant the flag in that because that was beautiful. Go ahead. Go to the next point. I got it. Great. I'll keep it. The third point I want to make is the way I see it is when you bring a homogeneous harmonic members together it is a little bit tricky. It's like it's like you know monoculture, mono culture. It's so you actually like this diversity we have here you know people from different countries and people from different backgrounds and people in different consciousness uh evolutionary states and stages >> of development. So because of that this is a great uh so well it's not the highest harmonious for me. I would have loved to bring my Bay Area people, your people, like I would have loved to live in this community of kind of like-minded, like conscious, like directional. >> Mhm. >> But I feel like the universe and the way things are evolving in this dimension, which is a very unique dimension, the earthly human dimension is very unique because it brings such a variety and a diversity >> of beings that have to learn to live together because that's the only planet we have. Okay. >> Mhm. right now that's the only planet we know how to evolve in in this in this realm. So I'm saying all this because the diversity and learning to work with the diversity even let's say diversity that doesn't have harmony at the beginning can be a very very interesting thing. And the last lastly >> for sure >> um lastly the whole the whole conversation around uh the um well maybe maybe it's a different conversation. I don't know if I want to bring it up right now. Maybe as we move forward. >> Why don't you want to plant Let me pause. >> You plant the flag in that one and then I'll let me cycle us to where you were cuz that was so rich. >> Okay. So, so you're you're right that we're not just providing a regenerative community infrastructure for simply basic needs to be met. That's not the sole point. The the other core point of that is for that full stack of conscious experience, human experience on all of its levels to be fully activated. That was a very beautiful point for sure. Um, and I like how you described that you have, you know, that stem cell that can proliferate into all of the different organs and possible cells and whatnot. That same thing is happening on the level of that conscious experience, embodied experience. And so you would want, you know, you would want the and I think it'll organically happen. I think as the basic needs are met in these hyper microlo regenerative communities that it will be a very organic thing for the that the embodied conscious experience to basically come alive on all of those levels. and then kind of be co-nurtured by one another in this entangled conscious network. Um now in terms of the people within it. So I agree with your point about the diversity of the conscious observers actually being um fueling for God to explore itself. It's very very powerful because that's sort of how you learn what the difference is between uh dis like discrimination against skin color or religion or ideology or sexual orientation or whatever versus not. So the way you learn is through that difference the delta you know right so but that's what an evolution of consciousness is it's the evolution of it from those old ways to the new ways. So if you've already graduated, let's say, from the old ways to the new ways, and part of graduating to the new ways is also teaching the old ways how to grow up and mature. So if you've also been a teacher for a while for teaching the old ways how to grow up and mature and you've graduated many students into the same kind of evolution of consciousness then at that point I would say that there are plenty of teachers that are still teaching students in those diversities that you're talking about which is Great. And that will continue because you'll we'll always have these little hyper microlo communities where there's always one or two, you know, little um quote more evolved, let's say, observers that are kind of shephering the others to start to grow up in this type of thing. Now, that will always happen. I mean, it's evident in our family systems all the time. You always have in some regards you have the children that have grown up in a in a in a way that's created more emotional or spiritual maturity that then they're sort of teaching their parents even how to you know how to evolve right so it's always it's it's it'll always be present and at the same time now this is where I want to add the the very strong reinforcement of those waveform piece. So it's very important to remember that a lot of our gifts, our unique soul gifts, they come from the intense reinforcing of similar waveforms. So that way we don't experience any molasses or resistance in the field. So that way we are just like like electricity with no resistance. We are just zooming through the evolution and the actualization of the main protocols and infrastructures for the world for the new world. So I also want to allow that feeling to take root and shape. So that way a group of 10 to 20 that have already went through a significant education of and initiation of others to become more mature. Once you've sort of done that a lot, then you can also join these clusters that are already very masterful and very wise and respect free will and respect um sovereignty. They do not create unnecessary codependencies and inshments that create and exacerbate emotional pains and traumas. And they're very much in some ways kind of the the intellectual cream of the crop. And we want to foster the neurode divergence or the autism of society in that way cuz these sort of misfits that are already kind of graduates in that way. They also want a home with other divergent autists that really get it and that they can feel felt and seen by. So when you talk about that whole spectrum of your bodily conscious experience being felt and seen and then you see them all of those layers coming alive that's for them that's also a crucial home and that that's something I really want to build and a lot of that just has to do with my own desire for that kind of a place to actually finally exist because I have never really felt like I was at home on this matrixy nation staty cities and taxation and inflation style earth and a lot of us don't really feel like we're at home in that type of system and that's why we are pushing for this new this new thing. It's beautiful. Plus, it's beautiful. But you know, >> so so there is this fine balance >> between an architected community and an emerging community. >> Okay. So there so many things I want to respond to, but I'm going to try I'm going to try to distill into it to like the points. Okay. >> Uhhuh. >> So I I love what you mentioned what you said earlier about feeling at home. This was a wonderful um the concept of home. The concept of home, a real home. Like when I go to California and when I dance with my five rhythm conscious dance community, there are places that I just feel at home. So they are experiences that I feel at home. >> Yeah. >> The experience itself. So it's not about a person. It's not about a location. It's not about what I'm doing. There's something about the experience that is made of all of these. But how can I feel at home in the moment by-moment experience that regardless where I am, I can generate the feeling of home, this kind of comfort and this kind of a of a greenhouse where I can really feel safe and yet blossom and grow and and bring fruits to the villages around. So, but I want to I want to say something. So you mentioned home and when we bring 20 people together and there is a level of mastery and sovereignty and and a mileage that that these 20 people let's say have have done. Um >> nice mileage. >> That's so good. I just mileage was such a good word. >> Yeah, it's mileage. Yeah. Hey, it's mileage. Experiences. Yeah. Experience mileage. Yes. Yes. With this >> like Yeah. mileage. I know. I know. It's funny, but you know, like if you if you have only if you're if Yeah, >> it's true. >> Miles. How many miles have you >> Yeah. Yeah. Or col kilometridge. >> Yeah. >> Kilometers. Yeah. Or mileage or kilometers. But what I'm trying to say is still the dynamic between the members in present time requires a process and a structure for them to organize and to really allow the intimacy between them, the decision making, the creativity process, the communication. So there's a lot there. Even though all of us, all of the people who are creating these micro regenerative communities have done quite a bit of work, the interactive part is a whole another thing. Like you can have a real real developed person in themsel with their relationship, with their close people, with their work. Once you bring them in a group, a whole another animal, a whole another side of them. Apopo the laundry machine comes out and it's like whoa I never knew he's so controlling I never knew we have to do what he's saying or what she's saying you know so it's almost like these these uh elements they are emergent out of this >> putting all these 20 organisms in a petri dish a whole jungle will flourish there okay so that's that's a that's another thing now >> we'll get there that yeah we'll we'll we'll get there and but you know I I want to get so one conversation is the regenerative communities the other conversation that I'm very curious about because it's it's uh I'm not sure if you have a name for everything you have been downloading creating generating the past year or so >> are you talking about since you started are you talking about the physics of it basically what do I have a name for >> the reality rendering model >> right do I have a name for that that the physics of that that we were talking about yes Um, >> is it the physics the the whole thing like you know I have my my installment. So, >> right. >> Well, when I say the when I say and I I see what you're saying your your Yeah. your installment is the totality of your theory of everything. Correct. And um Yes. Yeah. And for me, you know, you I could say that the totality of my theory of everything is called Unicode. Um, you know, I, you know, I could say that, you know, it, you know, could easily just as easily be called simulation. Um, but, um, the almost the reason why I sort of don't necessarily have a I guess a like this sort of single word that does the whole theory of everything at this point is because I'm I'm almost more interested in this point in less so trying to create a you know like oh it's it's unic code and it's gravity and quantum mechanics and consciousness all merged together into this thing and then this is what this thing is um and how it works. I'm almost I'm I'm less interested in in that to an extent and I'm more interested in in communicating um kind of what I was doing at the beginning which is where I I'm basically trying to entrance the observers that are listening. You see, I'm basically trying to entrance them into like you said, the the washing machine is code that's updating itself also, right? And so I'm trying to entrance those observers that are interested cuz it's almost like, you know, they're asking for this reflection to reprogram themselves into understanding what they are. And so that's what I'm doing. So, and I don't necessarily see that so much through at least through that concept, that theory of everything concept that then gets elaborated on. Instead, what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to play a a very specific sort of musical instrument >> that that reverberates in a way that then sort of gets the observer. I know this is going to sound very strange, but it basically gets the observer to merge itself with the spaceime geometries, if that makes sense. And how Yeah. And so I sort of want it to sort of melt into a cosmic space-time geometry that >> that Yeah. that then that then views these beautiful light holograms that are called worlds and worldly experiences and bodily >> vibrations and sensations and interactions and things like that. So that's where I'm sort of at. I want to play that weird special musical instrument that gets that to land. Yeah. Yeah. So, your face is so adorable. >> I love it. I love it because it's experiential. >> It's not You're not talking about something. You are actually generating the music of that of that uni code of that space time of that. Tell me more. I I want to hear more about it. That's amazing what you're just saying. >> So, let's play a little more music. >> Yes. Yes. Let's play music. >> So, yeah, it is very experiential like what you're saying. So, it's like it's almost like it's almost like you want to you want to take the observer and you want to and you want to guide itself back back through its own back through its own eyes cuz it's so attached to objects and materiality. So you're guiding this is what almost all of you know spiritual traditions and spiritual pointings do that they they sort of try to detach the observer's obsession with objects and materiality back into the nature of consciousness. So, so then when you take that like a step further into the domain of cosmological physics and holography and things like that, that's where you start getting into what we're what we're talking about. And so, we're playing this musical instrument. This vibration is basically guiding you through this sort of like translike wave pattern. It's guiding you back into your own pupils and your own eyes, your own face, your own neck, chest, your pelvis, your legs, you know, and then you're you're starting to feel how like that body is basically a terminal of the cosmos. So when you look at a a a branching network of your lungs and how at the ends of those branching networks of your lungs are alvei which are constantly undergoing the gaseous exchange. of oxygen and and carbon dioxide. What we're saying is that the body is acting as a similar cosmic observation terminal. Just like those alvei in the lung network, the branching lung network which then sort of puts everything together in this very interesting fractal cosmology where the the termination of cosmological experience is the observer. its bodily experience, its sensorial experience, the terminal of God, the nerve endings of God are these felt bodily experiences and worldly renderings. So yeah, that's sort of the the Oh, so interesting this, you know, the that sort of big bang and big crunch all at once along with entanglement of all observers, entanglement of all worlds, entanglement of all experiences, all that. So that's where that's where we can Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come listening to that music and coming home and feeling that. >> Yeah. >> And how do you say it? It's not like a It's not like a How do you say it? It's not like you're trying to get to a destination that then allows you to permanently leave everything cuz that's not what like the source is. Um, it's more so that you are realizing how this weird cosmic space-time geometry and world rendering universal god dotting works, which is great to know and clearly see how that works. And then you integrate it back into your body, into your end terminal. Um, >> oh my god. >> Yes. >> I just had an epiphany. >> Go ahead. >> Oh my god. I just had an epiphany. >> Yes, please. >> Experience is how experience is how. Okay, keep talking because I'm I'm completely high. I'm like on a high dose of something. The uni code brew. >> So funny. >> Experience is the container that allows you to witness to observe. >> Yeah. >> The this and this and this and this. >> Yes. >> Oh my god. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a >> Okay. >> It's like a >> Wow. >> And this is Yeah. And this is why again I'll circle back to this because I I personally believe it's extremely under undertood. It's not understood enough. Um which is the investigation into what gravity fundamentally is and what it enables. Because like you just described the profoundity of experience and having the ability to experience something and another thing and another thing. So you know here I have birds out the window. So I have the experience of birds out the window and I have the experience of water here as well. I have the experience of our conversation happening. And so the thing from my understanding that's allowing all of that to happen is the the gravitational and lightbased infinite cosmology. Essentially, that's how I see what's allowing this all to to happen. Um, >> wow. So, I want to go a little bit into an inquiry with you. It's something I've never I've never thought about before. So the the fundamental elements in installment are particles of experience >> and this is something I've been learning and researching in myself in my writing in the channeling in the meditation I've been looking at what is a particle of experience and what are fields And because see when you're talking about the observer, it's not only about our eyes. We are made of all these elements and all these elements that we are made of. The cells, the tissues, the organs, the mental body, the emotional body. >> Yeah. >> Our hair, our nails, our everything we are made of. >> Yeah. >> Our history, our trauma. Yes. >> Everything that is in our field, all of it are differentiated elements in our field. And these differentiated elements. Anything you can put your hands on to say okay well there's a cell and there's in the cell there is a core there is a nucleus and in the nucleus there are subatomic. So anything you have reached to distinguish in in the way in the installment lens all these are actually vessels and they are you mentioned the terminal. So they are they are like individuated u beings and forms all of anything you can differentiate is a form that actually has its I mean of course everything is conscious but it has its own consciousness and it has its own its own uh lens and its own observation. So basically we're looking at everything that exists is actually looking back at us as well. Everything that we distinguish in the subatomic particle and all the way to the cosmic is looking back at us as we're looking at it. >> Okay. So now then the question I have and and as they're observing well as they are having an experience. >> So anything that exists has an experience. anything that exists. >> Even this glass of water has an experience of what it is to be held in this glass in this wet fluid. So everything is having an experience and the inquiry I'm interested I'm curious to have with you is what is the relationship between first of all I'm I'm not familiar so much with gravity and you said it is so under understood >> I'm very curious to hear more about gravity as an essence as a life force as a as a as a cosmic force That is so fundamental. >> Right. Right. >> And the light, let's say the light of consciousness. And how do how does gravity light Well, you did differentiate between them, which means that they are two different essences. >> Yet one. >> How does gravity >> Mhm. Yet one also? >> Sorry. And they're also one. >> Yet one also. Yes. Yes. >> Yet one also. Okay. That's interesting. So the light and the gravity. So I am curious because gravity has not played a primary a primary role in the lens that that is developing in installment. >> So I'm curious what is the relationship between gravity light and experience. >> Right? That's a really good question. Um, and actually when you started talking about particles being the fundamental unit of experience and installment, which we've talked about on our episodes, prior episodes, it rang a bell for me in that in the in the in in the infinite potentiality fluctuation that which is const constantly being collapsed into a single rendered experience that those fluctuations that that is that those particles of experience coming to light and being rendered in that moment. So out of out of that out of that probabilistic field by you know choosing the particle of podcasting with Natalie that's what holographically appears as the as the experience just like when you that that particle of experience of playing disc golf or of etc etc. Now that I do feel touches on how gravity, light, and experience all come together in producing this. Um I think the easiest way to understand gravity is actually as the stabilization physics. I think the easiest way to understand gravity as a stabilization physics. So the thing the thing that allows the world to appear as stable as it does the thing that allows your butt to be firmly planted in a chair is the stabilization physics at play. the thing that allows the computer to be stable, the microphone to be stable, the water bottle to be stable. That's all gravity at play. creating a structuring, stabilizing and enveloping of experience that also that also that also pokes out through these pupils in interacting with all of those said stabilized things. So, it's both stabilizing it and it's like a like a cosmic pressure system. It's poking these pupils into that light field. Those the quantum fields of information are being perturbed by the observer's pupils, which are what makes it so that a experience can only be a I mean, even though you can be in Tokyo and drinking sake, so technically, you know, you can say, "Oh, I'm having two particles of experience and maybe a third because I'm with Natalie, so then that's three particles of experience." But at the same time, you cannot be in New York City at a comedy event drinking a old-fashioned, right? So, not at the same time. So you've chosen different particles which is how that the vacuum fluctuation of experience works in a simultaneous choosing not choosing basically which is also how a camera system works with this bokeh behind me versus my face is in focus. So the observer is constantly undergoing a process of not choosing infinite information and choosing only small tiny amounts of particles of experience for it to have. Um, and I would say that's how that reality rendering engine, gravity, light, and experience, how that all how that all, you know, appears the way that it does. And, um, I think that I think that I think that cosmology right now is in a golden age. It doesn't it almost doesn't know that it's in a golden age because essentially black hole holography has completely changed the fundamental nature of our understanding of what we are. Um, and we and we almost interestingly don't know because we we haven't tied black hole holography to the observer yet. And we also haven't tied it to the Nobel Prize in physics in 2022 of how quantum mechanics disproved local realism. So once once all of those threads are tied together, black hole holography with the observer with the disproving of local realism with quantum mechanics, once those things all are in the golden age of this new physics, we will we will start seeing reality uh we will start seeing the video games that we've created that we play. We will start seeing them as an efficient mirror copy of how the universe efficiently renders experiences. >> Yeah. which is which is why those those systems, those consoles, it's why they generate experiences in the way that they do is because it is most efficient in generating those experiences. Just like a universe is most efficient in generating its experiences in this way. And um that's why I know this is again this is going to sound very fractal like but the reason why you know I have these beautiful spring blooming trees in their branchings in front of my window. And it's that those trees are vibrational emanations of the earth because they are a reflection of that cosmic obs observational intelligence of the world itself. And that's why we were referencing those lung networks as well. So the same way that the tree vi appears to vibrate up into the cosmos is the same way that the observer network vibrates in its consuming and experiencing of light and information that our world experiences. So that's why you know flipping everything inside out is such an important part of spirituality to sort of see how the same way that I that I breathe. And this is really deep and I still have yet to really get to this and this connects deeply to that gravity, light and experience question. Just I have yet to fully formulate this but the way that the way that gravity, light and experience connect to the breath to our felt experience of the breath. I think that is the ultimate trick, the ultimate self-reflective trick. in understanding. Yeah. Yeah. What what this all is. Um I really think that's the ultimate self-reflective trick. So it's it's almost like in some way it's like living inside of God's lungs in some way. That's >> one way of saying it. Um, which is a very very humbling Yeah. very very humbling thing. Um, it it I mean it it makes when I think about these things, it it makes me it makes me tear up and it makes me it makes me contemplate um the the the mo the mortality of the body experience. It makes me um it makes me have insane amounts of gratitude for the fullness of our lived momentto moment experience and it makes me want to cherish all of what we have while we have it. So it really brings me to my knees. Um, so that's that's why this whole like I I feel like the deeper that you go into understanding gravity and this sort of in some ways this sort of inversion physics with gravity and the breath I guess the being inside the lungs of God or however you want to the infinite lungs of God, however you want to say it. Um it it starts to I it just really starts to humble you and um and I think that's also one of the reasons why physics is in a process of of uh of of in some ways entering into a golden age but also in some ways in in my potential opinion in understanding the fairmy paradox. box. Um because controlling gravity and gravitational propulsion and like as I've talked about you know shrinking the appearance of a cosmic distance of many light years to to just you know a couple feet and then you know traversing that distance and then you're in that new cosmic area. We we I'm I'm un I'm unsure of of what we're going to of what we're going to uncover with with our ability to control um gravity. And um we we might end up we might end up being being we we I don't know. We'll see. But we might end up uh being able to to use um other other forms of of of of traversals of sorts. Um and um I'm I'm not sure what this all means yet for the you know for that the perpetuation of the you know the light of conscious experience. Um, so that's a that's a deeper that's a deeper subject um that I still I still am am un unfully unsure of the the repercussions of the long-term repercussions of um sort of ma in in another way of saying it. It would be like mapping our current experience um in the realm of black hole holography. It would be mapping it to the interior of a black hole and the Yeah. And that's just there's nowhere to go. That's another way of saying it. And I guess I'll just leave it um I'll leave it at at that. Yeah. So it's like yeah, you can't you can't leave yourself as God or the infinite having finite experience. So um yeah. Oh boy, that's so How did uh how did it connect to um to gravity, light, and experience for you? And how uh and how experience is so fundamental in in soulment. I'm still remember the violin that you were playing. So you just played it now the last 10 15 minutes you just played it and you didn't have to do this. You were just like yeah >> being the lungs of God. >> Being the lungs of God. talking about gravity, I just stabilizing stabilization physics and wow um black holes holography. So when you were playing this music, I was just uh Yeah, I was not thinking anymore, which was a a real um like you said, the awe, the the coming down on your knees and >> Yes. >> reverence and >> humbleness and uh >> like it's it's so This existence is so there's not even words to describe the magnificence and the so this is what I was experiencing. I I I the question around experience. So in the model or in the perspective, anything that comes into existence, I experience therefore I am or I am therefore I experience anything that is anything. It can be an idea. It can be a book. So what we talked about physical I call them in installment vessels. >> Yeah. >> So light is a vessel. Gravity is a vessel. It's just a very very very ancient and fundamental and uh influential present >> Yes. >> vessel. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, so in in so these are vessels. So now I am I am going to sit with after our conversation and in the coming days I'm just going to sit and ponder and inquire and meditate about the relationship between gravity which is the stabilization force and the light of consciousness and experience. and their role in >> yes >> in in the rendering in the >> yes >> in the actual experience. So >> now because the experience is so fundamental so everything that came into existence is actually experiencing itself and everything around it. So even a black hole we call it black hole but it's not a black hole it's just what it is. We call it black hole because light doesn't come out and all this physical equation that we have developed. So it's almost like everything that differentiated anything that differentiated exist >> and anything that differentiated existing has an experience. The question is it differentiated in which reality in which vessel in which observer? Okay. So maybe the ice, you know, how for people who live in the polar in the in the uh Nordic or or um they have so many words for snow or ice or types because they have observed that >> heard that >> and they have lived that >> and I I have no idea even how to say it. What's the difference between ice and snow? I mean, so because it's it's not my world. I'm I'm a Mediterranean girl, you know. So, it's it hasn't differentiated in my reality, but it has differentiated in the let's say Alaska. >> Right. Right. Right. So in their reality the different type of snow and ice and formation that differentiated these are all beings that are having experiences. So the different names they gave to the different type of snowflakes and the different type of water or icy spaces that that stabilized. Yeah, >> the names that they gave they differentiated them. These differentiated they are beings. They are actually alive beings that have consciousness and have uh an experience and they play a role in their reality. >> Yeah. in the north hemisphere all polar bears and polar shamanic they have. So what am I trying to say? I am because I am therefore I ex I I exist therefore I experience because it is so fundamental. The question is I exist of course within the soul of the world. Let's call it the cosmos or the it's not even a cosmos because even the cosmos exists within but the soul of the world this whole animating thing or that is the next close things to God. >> Yeah. >> God or or the the infinite potentialities. So anything that differentiated there is is a part of this this play this unfolding this. So I I'm going to look a little bit further about what is an experience because the experience of a of an African man or so the experience is so so so different. The content of the experience, the structure, the way. So I'm I'm more I'm left with more questions than really answers. more questions to meditate and to reflect on. >> I would love to piggyback on what you were saying because the way that you described how a group can have so many different words of describing snow, ice, slush, fresh snow, compacted snow, whatnot. And then there are these types of filters or those ways of descript describing experience or what those particles of experience that many don't have access to. Okay. So or a profession when you see someone very masterful in um working in >> surfing. >> Surfing. Thank you. Surfing as a great example. There's all those micro masteries that exist in that. Okay. So engineering like building a house, the utility systems that go into a house, these types of things, right? There's so many layers of mastery in that. So why I why I say that that was so important was because gravity, light, and experience are they're the fundamental that allows all of the other filters. They they give rise to the ability for all of the other filters and experiences to be had. So, so every sensation, every sight, every everything is a is a is an enveloped and illuminated experience. And yes, >> yes, because it's held and illuminated by God in this moment, >> that's why it's, you know, it's what you would want to know yourself as. And then all of the other filters of I'm really good in home engineering and utility systems or I can differentiate all these kinds of snow and all the different animals that might be on that blah blah blah blah blah. So there's endless, you know, filters. Um, and I just want to say one more thing about the profoundity of what you were saying and what we've what we're now exploring is that if you if you take a uh a of a a video game console or a PC. If you take its ability to create a world, and then immerse a a player, which is a camera or a terminal as we've been saying. Um, so again, it's enveloping a world. It's immersing itself into that world. And that world is composed of light and information, illumination, holography that it is interacting with in a feedback loop and quote other agents which then create further fascinating entangled experiences. It's all self-reflective. So why I say that is because one of the primary filters that we use is thought and emotion. Those are very deep primary filters. Thought and emotion. Most of us basically live in thought and emotion all the time. Basically, our momentto moment experience is pretty much thought and emotion. Um, and some of us try to tune into the sensorial side of the containerization and the illumination and the rest of the bodily experience besides just thought and emotion. But the reason why I single out those two specifically is because with that with that containerization and that illumination of experience. The main filters that come on are really thought and emotion and I know those are really if I remember correctly those are also core particles of experience and installment right? >> Yes. Wow, it's exciting. It's almost like I want to delve into each topic in a different conversation really. It's fascinating. >> Yeah. >> What the field generates. >> Yeah. Where we are right now can go into so many Yeah. Especially this whole filters. Yeah, >> it's huge. It's very huge. Um I'm really happy that you have connected to insulment in varying ways is connecting to how this gravitational stabilization and this light illumination connect to the particles of experience and installment. And I'm I'm also connecting installments, particles of experience to what I've been saying, which is perfect. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Cross fertilization. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. >> So good. >> Oh, yeah. Before we started, you were we were got into crosspollination, cross fertilization because we were talking about each other as blooming flowers. Yes. >> And our little music pollination. Yeah, it's really good. >> Yes. >> That's good. Since it's a little later there, should we wrap? Yeah, let's wrap. Okay. >> Um, will we be cross-osting this on your channel as well? Okay. So, this video will be cross-osted on simulation and Natalie's channel installment, which will be linked below as well. But you'll see the video. When you see the video, the little subscribe button should have both Natalie Zetuni installment and also simulation. They're both. Um, so you we you should be able to see her channel of videos when you click over there and our channel of videos and click over here. Um, we would love to hear >> and if people want to look uh if people want to look at the models then then look for natalies.com. The model is all there. >> Yes. >> All the different perspectives and relationships. It's fascinating and it's still developing. And today I I have a whole another area of exploration, gravity, light and experience. Wow. amazing. >> Yeah, it's her first link on her YouTube channel is her website which has all of the further deep dives into what she's been talking about. Um, and I would love to we would love to hear from you if you have a comment. We would love to hear from you. Um we would love to uh have you share this with someone who you feel like it would resonate with. um like the video, subscribe to the channels, and um and let's see if we can um also build those um regenerative communities around the world that we were talking about to give us the that that freedom to explore that full state of >> of all of our embodied conscious experience. um rather than being constantly taxed by the need to go and sell our time for money for basic needs in an everinflating world. So, we are we're very passionate about that getting um brought into the world and we would love to to help provide you with the tools to do it in your area as well um and build models of those being possible and then bring your friends and families to them and then that will kind of further the um the ripple effect. Um that's all from me. Do you have anything else in closing? Yeah, just very grateful and people who are having their own models, their own perspectives, their own regenerative ways of living, please uh reach us, reach us, reach out to us. I'm always curious to listen and absorb all these gorgeous perspectives. So, thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Thank you, Atlas. Thank you for your Thank you. for your beautiful presence. >> Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for this space and this presence and and your radiance and your beautiful soul. Thank you. Okay. All right. Much love everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in. I will go ahead and stop the recording.