How Clavicular Makes (And Spends) $500,000+ Per Month By LooksMaxxing

For the average person starting their journey of ascension, where does every dollar go? >> The average person's pretty [ __ ] >> Levicular had an apparent overdose here in South Florida. And those disturbing moments unfolding live on camera before the stream suddenly cuts off. >> What are you taking right now? >> 10 milligrams of reticide, testosterone, >> minoxidil. >> With the concurrent viewers with kick, what is kick pate? around like a thousand an hour and you have Snapchat, which is a new one that's really big. Few grand a day. What does your gambling deal look like? >> I gamble 15k every day. How much do you spend every month? You have this penthouse apartment. You have another one apparently that's way nicer. You said >> 400 $400,000 a month. >> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. Clavicular, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour. >> Thanks for having me. You get 1 billion views per month. How much do you pay for that? >> Zero. >> You pay zero dollars for a billion views. >> I have no clipping spend. >> How do you spend zero and get a billion views? >> Kick pays for the clipping because it's got a huge kick.com/clavvicular logo. So, they're driving traffic to their site, right? When you do a clipping campaign, you're sort of picking like where you want these views to go. uh whether it be, you know, your like product or uh maybe getting people to follow your account, whatever the case may be. And Kick is driving traffic to their website because on their website uh there's it's stake. A lot of people gamble on stake. So that's kind of what happens. >> Do they run this for anyone else? >> Everyone on kick. Yeah. >> Everyone on kick. >> Yeah. >> And so if you create a kick account, you get views, they just assume that you're okay with running clipping. >> Mhm. Yeah. you you get um a clipping budget and it's >> what's your clipping budget? >> It's unlimited. It's just they'll fluctuate the CPM based on like the spend. Um so like one month it was close to 700,000. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> Holy crap. >> 700 grand. >> Yeah. I did 2.2 billion views in um like a month or two ago. >> That is insane. Do you think people care because it's looks maxing or do you think they care because they want to see what you're doing? >> Both. It's like a new phenomenon and like I'm sort of created an entire new part of the internet. So it's just like it's different content. People want to see it. >> Is looks maxing more popular today or about a year ago? >> Today for sure. Um, I would say that looks maxing, you know, I'm obviously like the face of it. So maybe like the popularity that you saw for looks maxing and you saw all these videos about looks maxing, maybe you're just seeing videos about me instead. It could be a case of that, but it's as big as ever. Everyone knows what looks maxing is. Every kid is using these terms, whether it be, you know, the NFL or Netflix. People are saying it at the Oscar awards. Uh, so it's the lingo that's also huge. >> Imagine three guys. One of them is 5'4 with $50 million and he has average everything aside from money. One of them is 510, average on everything but very funny. One of them is 63, broke, obese, and balding. Who would you rather be? I I would say the middle option in the immediate context, but the person who's 5'4 arguably has the best chance to ascend, right, with that kind of uh you know, with that kind of savings, you could do a lot of different things. Uh get a lot of different surgeries and max out um you know, with with limb lengthening because that is like very low percentile height. So um you're going to be at a huge disadvantage in dating, right? A lot of like women will filter out even anything below six feet on dating apps. So, you're not even going to appear as they're swiping. And that's where the majority of people are meeting their partners nowadays. There's a lot of new research on this. People don't meet in person as your parents would. Uh so, totally different dating market. um you know, but with that amount of money, you're going to be able to really like uh do different things like flex your status and and get girls, but it won't be authentic love. That's the problem, right? Fake love, >> right? I mean, you might be able to have, you know, a 90ft boat or whatever that plenty of women want to come on just for the experience, but are they really going to love you? That's the question. whereas um you know the example of of the guy who's 5'10 um with a good personality it's a lot more likely. >> So you think someone who's under a certain height is incapable of being loved or how does that work or is it only the money and the status? >> I think it's less likely certainly >> but it's possible. It's yeah, anything's possible, right? But we're are we talking about you always have to clarify like getting women and having women around because that's not necessarily the most difficult thing in the world, but keeping them and actually having them be physically attracted to you, very different ball game. So, what's your advice to the other two? The person who's 63 uh and fat and balding. Um that that's going to be something that's pretty easy uh to ascend in, right? getting lean with today's technology, the GLP1s, uh it's never been easier. So, there's really no excuse in 2026 in my opinion to be overweight. Like, that just seems ridiculous. Uh and as for the hair, you have a lot of different stuff. You have hair transplants, you have hair systems. So, um you know, you do that in conjunction with a good hair loss protocol, um then you know, you you're going to be able to ascend. Um the only issue is, you know, being broke, um it's a very competitive dating market. So once you ascend and you do these things and you're 630, you're you have hair, you're in good shape, there's someone who's also going to have those same stat lines, uh, but they're also going to have millions of dollars, right? Because of just the nature of hypergamy and how Instagram's glo globalized anything. You're not just competing with that 20 mile radius of the guys in your town. You're competing with sometimes famous influencers, athletes, people all around the world. So if you were building the perfect mail from scratch, where would you start? There the common saying is it's all about the face, right? That's going to be the thing. Uh in which you know the margin for error is extremely small, right? If your midface ratio is even a centimeter long, uh that's going to affect you a lot more than you know even 10 cm of height will. For example, I if your midface is is one one, uh it would be perfect. You know, that's going to be the distance between your pupils relative to the distance between your pupil and and your lip. M um so if you extend that by a centimeter or decrease it by a centimeter um that's going to have a huge effect on your facial ratios uh and your overall harmony percentage versus you know if you change a margin of 1 cm even to 10 cm and height it's not going to do as much. So you would start there though and then what's next after that? >> Just physical I would say would be your height, right? women are going to feel um you know that sense of being protected um and they're going to feel a lot safer. Their anxiety levels will drop quite significantly. And there's a lot of research even you know if you extend it to your career right about your average income going up for every inch you know above 6 ft you are it's like an additional uh $5,000 on average per year. So that's probably where I would go next. Uh and then you know after that would be having a proportional frame because a lot of taller guys we call them lanklets on the forearm because they'll have that super narrow by deltoid width and it's just not proportional to your height so it kind of looks goofy. Um so the frame and how wide your biochromial width is shoulder joint to shoulder joint is very important. >> What if you were to build the optimal female from scratch? >> I would say the same um pretty much. Um, so the the face is always going to be the most important to me. Uh, it's sort of like been a new trend that's been influenced, I think, by pornography more or less. Um, with just like this emphasis on the body more so than a girl having like a super um, model looking hot face. It's like a lot of guys are just like gooning and all day, so they're just looking with the girl with the biggest ass and the biggest tit. Um, but you know, that's obviously not going to be the best choice. uh in terms of your uh genetics and and what you're passing along to your kids, there's also a different thing that I look for in women, which is an important ratio called the waist to hip ratio. Uh and that's a huge indicator of fertility. >> Okay, that's interesting. So, you look for fertility in women, and this is not supposed to be a contending thing. It just sparked an idea in my head, but I also know that you've been, you know, taking peeds for several years, correct? Yeah. Yeah. And I think I've heard somewhere that you claim to be incapable >> Yeah. >> of being fertile, at least in the current stage. How does how does where does your mind go when you juxtapose those two things? >> Well, I mean, I'm infertile as of now, but if with the right fertility protocol, hCG and HMG, um yeah, I'll be able to regain my fertility quite quickly. Um, and you know, I've been thinking about doing the protocol uh and just freezing sperm um while I'm still young because like the more years go on, your chances sort of diminish, but it's extremely extremely rare. Uh, and the chances are so low that you'll go completely infertile from taking testosterone that it's really not uh even that important. >> If you had $10,000 for the average person to spend starting their journey of ascension, where does every dollar go? I would say it goes towards uh GLP-1 peptides, uh a gym membership, different things like um makeup is a a really good one. I would say different tanning supplements, melanotentu, you know, you have your carotenoids, um stuff like that. That's it's a pretty good place to start. >> How are we so sure that this is not harm potentially harmful? Well, there's a lot of research and it's um it's a completely mainstream opinion that GLP1s uh and something like reddish tide are are very uh actually healthy for you, right? So, your lipid profile is going to go down, right? So, but is it the is it the peptide itself or is it once you lose weight, you're just naturally healthy? >> It's a little bit of both, you know? So there the glucagon receptor uh that's being agonized has lots of different health benefits. Retatutite is also good for nonfatty acid uh liver. Um you know so there's tons of different stuff that comes along with this and the phase 2 clinical trials have really shown that even at high doses as reachutide as high as 12 milligrams has proven to be safe. >> What are you taking right now? Right now I'm taking 10 milligs of reicide every 5 days. Uh I'm taking 200 milligs of testosterone. Uh 7.5 milligrams of Accutane. Uh 150 micrograms a day of melanot. Uh I'm taking um 5 milligs of tidal seialis a day. Uh I take 5 milligs of nibblol which is a beta blocker per day. I take 2.5 milligrams of minoxidil. I take 0.5 milligrams of dutasteride and I take um nine milligrams of MSAM sleene. How much does that cost? I would say the most expensive would be the MSAM the Sleene. Um since no insurance really covers it and I don't have health insurance regardless, I think it's about two 2,200 a month for just that. But the rest of it, uh, I would say my prescriptions are probably like maybe 300 a month. >> So about 2500 a month, give or take on the supplements. >> Yeah, about that. >> And what would happen if tomorrow you decided to quit everything? >> Well, I would be hypogonatal. Um, so my testosterone would take uh two or 3 weeks to to start, you know, my uh endocrine cycle again. Uh, so my energy levels would be pretty bad. I would lose some muscle mass. Um, and you know, when you stop taking the minoxidil, um, all the different, uh, hair density will start to go away. Some of my eyelashes will fall out. Um, so those would be the the biggest, um, changes, but everything else wouldn't really be too noticeable. And what about makeup? Are you wearing any makeup right now? 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Just go to northwestregisteredagent.com to get started. That is northwestregisteredagent.com or click the link down below in the description to get your LLC filed today. Thank you northwestregistered agent for sponsoring this episode. And what about makeup? Are you wearing any makeup right now? >> Yeah, a little bit. So >> where >> um just I I use like a tinted SPF. So >> does that qualify as makeup? >> SPF? >> Yeah, I I think so. >> Tinted sunscreen. I don't know what that is. Yeah. I don't know if that >> Well, I mean, just for argument sake, it's like um say you were to opt for like a little bit of concealer as well, like you know, to cover up um some blemishes. I I don't really think that's um something that should be criticized cuz you're never going to get caught for it unless you're saying on a podcast, you know? So, I've always been a huge advocate for uh men's makeup cuz like why should you have to suffer from horrible skin and and acne when uh an easy solution exists that's been used by women for decades. >> I see this a little bit more traditionally like if you're wearing makeup as a man, let's just say I'm putting myself in the shoes of a woman. I could be completely wrong. I don't have the brain of a woman. >> Don't make any comments about me having the brain of a woman. Let's just say that I start dating a woman >> and all of a sudden she comes over and she looks into my bathroom and she just sees everything. She sees concealer, she sees blush, she see I don't know, mascara, all these things. >> She would think that you're cheating. >> She would think I'm cheating, first of all. So, but then after that, she'd be like, "So, you wear all this stuff?" And I said, >> "Yes, I do." I think that that would be like the plate crash moment in How I Met Your Mother where everything just falls apart because she would be like, "Wow, this person is a a fraud or berry metrosexual, which I think being metro is a unattractive trait." >> Or that you're trying too hard. >> That's metro. >> Oh, no. I thought Metro is just into like female things. >> No, Metro is not trying hard. >> Okay. I I don't know. That's like a millennial term. I think it's actually tech. >> I'm a millennial. >> That's like a more of a fashion style, I'm pretty sure. But, um, if there's something that can make you better looking and more attractive to women, why wouldn't you leverage that? You know, that doesn't really make any sense to me. And I've never had a a girl really say anything about um makeup. And I mean, what you're telling me that you can't just like put this stuff in a a draw or something? Um, so like these don't seem like really valid reasons to not engage in it. Like I think that um you're a lot better off maybe having a stick of concealer uh in your bathroom than being acne ridden. You know, >> maybe it's different if you had lipstick. >> That's maybe No one's talking about that. You know, we're talking about, you know, maybe just cover covering up a little bit of blemish. We're not talking about um mascara. We're simply talking about >> eyeliner. >> Yeah. I mean, I just imagine a guy crying for some some reason and it's like coming down his face and he's at the club cuz a girl just rejected him. I'm like there's I can't imagine a lower place to be than that, >> right? Yeah. But I mean these are all hypotheticals that aren't realistic, you know? So, uh I I I'm very pro um looks max makeup max. >> Are there any genetic disadvantages that are pretty much irreversible? >> Yeah. Uh like having like, you know, a really tiny skull or short face syndrome. These are all things that are are going to be very difficult to fix. I mean, like there's a lot of of people who are genetic defects because maybe you're an Accutane baby, maybe you know, uh the mother was consuming too much alcohol in the womb. Um, so like a lot of these things unfortunately uh are going to be quite brutal and your life uh and you know the way people treat you uh not consciously more so subconsciously is going to be worse and that's a a really hard thing to say and it's a really unfortunate reality um because you know you want to judge people and treat all people equally but it's not really something that you could control if it's in your subconscious. What genetic defect do you have that you think is irreversible? Something that you cannot improve? I've got something called pectis excavatum, which is just a little bit of a collapsed sternum right here um in between my pecs. So, it could be fixed, but you have to have this procedure called the nusbar procedure where there's uh a metal bar that gets inserted into your chest uh and then it pushes it up, but it takes about 6 months and you can't train. It's extremely expensive. Um, so that's just not something that I'm willing to undergo for just how small of an issue it is. >> So what genetic disadvantages are just cope? Like they're not actually genetic disadvantages. People just they blame it. Oh yeah, like I'm big boned. You know, I don't necessarily agree with that. What What would you say are just cope? Anything that's not super visible when you're wearing like normal clothes, like maybe your ab inserts or um you know, a decent amount of your muscle inserts are not going to be the most like life-changing thing um to have like bodybuilder uh tier perfect muscular insertions. Um but everything matters, right? So there's no reason like I don't really think anything is is necessarily to cope. They're just there are things that matter more and things that matter less. >> It's interesting. I just saw this actually on Twitter. They had two twins and they looked at male pattern baldness. And the twin that was in the sun more, smoked more, drank more, had a lot of thinning hair. The other twin who didn't do any of that, let a healthy lifestyle, low stress to full head of hair. Yeah. So, smoking and uh drinking are are very aging. Um smoking is going to be the worst thing that you could do for your collagen. Um, so that'll aid you quite significantly. Um, so I always heavily advocate against both of them. And it's like people will see me on the stream sometimes smoking a cigarette or, you know, having a drink cuz I I do nightlife content. >> But I know exactly what's going on. And I think being conscious of the fact that alcohol or ethanol, whatever you want to call it, >> is is very toxic to your body is is a good thing because it limits my consumption. Every time I am about to have a drink, I'm like, "Oh, you know, I'm weighing in my head how this is going to affect my looks, what this is actually doing uh in terms of neurotoxicity, what it's doing to my liver." Um, so having that always in the back of my head helps. Where is the worst place to have your natural fat storage? Cuz I I could be wrong here. Correct the science, but everybody's body comp is slightly different. And some people store fat more in their trunk. Some people more in like the torso area. Some people up here. Like Elon Musk, he's a little bit more dense kind of up here than he is down here. Me, I got kind of a a wagon. I got kind of a caboose. That's just to naturally store the fat back there. >> Wagon is just like the >> he's got an inner perpetual inner tube. >> I do. >> Yeah. Obviously the face is first and foremost. The next I would say would be your cemental region. So right underneath your jaw. So, if you have like that turkey neck look, um, that's not good. >> How do you lose fat there? Because I've seen some people that appear to be decently lean, but they do have like there's a slant, you know what I mean? >> Well, it's also tissue and it's also about like your oral volume, so the forward growth of your jaw. So, it's a lot more nuanced than just uh atapost tissue. Um, but it certainly goes into it. Um, so I would say that's bad. Another underrated brutal one is going to be your man's pubis. Um, oh, >> so the fat pad right above your penis, that's going to reduce your perceived length because it's almost like offiscating where's like the the base of your shaft, like you know, so your nonbone press length will be like significantly lower. And where are the best places to store fat? probably your glutes, um your legs, um the your arms and maybe like your back isn't the most, you know, significant, but yeah, having a lot of fat around like your waist, your midsection, >> um these are all going to be pretty bad for your physique. >> Yeah. At what age does looks maxing give you the highest ROI? >> As young as possible. Right. And that's not saying like, oh, taking reddish tide and doing all this crazy [ __ ] That just means uh consuming enough macronutrients, eating a lot of protein, right? Uh enough micronutrients, supplements, all all this kind of stuff is going to be great, right? Um maybe being conscious of, you know, things that are going to affect your growth, right? So that's doing things like drinking. I notice uh nowadays it's not uncommon that people start drinking really like freshman year of high school. And that's such a terrible thing um because that is going to really really affect uh your MTO signaling which is a huge growth pathway and it's very neurotoxic as well. >> What's the earliest that someone should looks max >> forever looks maxing isn't just about like these crazy peptides and all this. It's anything that makes you look better um is looks maxing >> but like at what age like what's the youngest >> like what his like when I was it's as soon as you become body conscious like when I was 11 I was self-conscious that I was fat and so or I was self-conscious that I was very pale and so I was like I got to get in the sun a little bit more but like like that is considered looks maxing. I think what Graham is saying is like what age do you make it like a very strong priority where you start you know actively you know making that a part of your routine. I think once you start coming into high school, it's a good idea to start being conscious of your diet. Um to start some sort of training uh regimen uh you know maybe a skincare routine. Uh and if it's earlier than that then then great, right? Starting starting to wear SPF at a very early age like the earlier you start to do all these things the better, right? Um, you know, so I would say is it's just going to depend on people's maturity levels. >> When does surgery become more valuable than lifestyle improvements? >> If you're someone with like huge facial fails, right? If you've got like this huge nose that just is like so brutal and uh you know, everyone's making fun of you, you're not going to really be able to compete in in the dating game. um then you could watch all the red pill pickup artist courses and learn the perfect game, the per perfect cold approach. Um but that's going to be the thing that's holding you back. So I think it's just about fixing uh your falos, not trying to create halos is has always been um you know the general advice from the looks max community. Um does that make sense? >> So it's it's two motivating factors. when some people are motivated running towards something, some people are motivated running away from something and you would say you find the things that you don't like and you actively change those, >> right? I mean, like if you've got like an average looking eye area, you shouldn't be trying to uh go for like uh orbital implants to look like Shauna Pry. I'm talking about, you know, if you've got a super super recessed uh jaw, maybe you were like a a really bad mouth breather growing up. Um, and your airway is completely cooked to the point where you have sleep apnea and it's just not functional whatsoever. Is a jaw surgery like something to consider? Well, I'll let your I'll let your doctor and your maxel facial surgeon uh answer that question for you. But um yeah, so that that's kind of the goal is just about fixing the phthalos. If you're 18 or 25 or 35 or 45 or even 55, does your advice change? >> Certainly, yes. Uh you're not really going to be able to have like this insane u control over your development. Do something like keep your growth plates open for a longer period of time by taking like an aromatase inhibitor. That won't work. Uh past a certain age. >> Past what age? It's going to depend, but somewhere around like 17, 18, it's usually when males stop growing. But I mean, for some people it could be as late as 20, 21 or even earlier than that, you know? So, just it really depends. So, if you're 45 and you're physically just cooked, wouldn't making more money simply have the best result? No. Because think about it, right? going from a 6 out of 10 to an 8 out of 10 um is, you know, more of a marginal thing than um but it's going to have a huge huge um result. You know, much more achievable than going from making $100,000 to a million dollars. That's not going to be uh even close to achievable for the average person. Um and it really isn't going to do much. women aren't uh super able to perceive income and like there's a lot of memes about like what is your average salary requirement when dating and like the answers will just be like so absurd. >> Do you think they really believe that or do you think those clips are just selectively picking the people who say ridiculous numbers? I I think it's uh it's a true belief, you know, because I've I've you know, I typically ask girls like, you know, what's a good amount of of money for a guy to make a month, you know, for you to qualify them uh as someone you'd want to date? And I was doing a stream with a girl last night who said 500k a month. >> But that's You're also in Miami from here. >> A regular >> Where is she from? How old is she? >> Like Maryland. She's >> with you though. That's I think that that is >> so what it's like a it's a random girl from like Maryland or something. >> I would like to get a different poll like a poll on the street. >> So curious, dude. I could do it. >> If it would vary from like Las Vegas to Miami to Los Angeles to like I bet most would be my bet is most would say 150 grand a year. >> We'll see if I can motivate myself before this post to go I'll ask five girls just some place in Vegas and I'll stitch it in right here. That would be I'd be curious. It could be a Miami thing quite honestly or or an LA thing, but um >> Vegas also put on the best place. >> The other thing, was she on stream? >> Yeah. So, I feel like that also gets like the higher she says, the more people pay attention to her, the more people talk about her. And so, it benefits her to say like, "Oh, yeah, a million dollars a month minimum to date me." And then you get banter back and forth. It keeps her on stream longer. versus if she's saying 8,000 a month, you'd be like, "All right." And then move on to the next one. >> Yeah. But I think once again, like a lot of girls like don't really know like uh how much things cost, like how much it costs to live in in these big cities. Uh so there's just not a huge grasp on like what's going on, you know, because there's a lot of people that [ __ ] Also, it's like you can lease uh or finance like a a Corvette um which is a $100,000 car and be on car payments for 8 years and a girl will think you're rich. Right. But uh sometimes it's not the case. >> Would you not believe a girl if you started dating her and she said, "Yeah, I wouldn't care if you weren't making this kind of money. Like if you were making 5K a month, I'd be fine with it. Like I enjoy hanging out with you." I don't think I would because it's like, you know, maybe you're not immediately spending like all this money, going on like these super expensive dates and then the girl's like, "Oh, you know, you see, I'm not with you for the money." But like, you know, then we're living in, you know, like crazy apartments, going on like private jets, and you know, that that's just the environment she gets used to, you know. So, it's not the immediate like what she's spending on her credit card. It's more so just like the environment. >> But what if she wasn't used to that? What if it was just like 5K a month is all she's experienced. She says she's fine with it. Would you believe that? Now, really quick, I just got to say that anyone who knows me knows I love auctions. I'm always browsing classic cars, original movie art, trading cards, all of it. So, when today's sponsor, Whatnot, reached out, it was an easy yes. It's that whole live auction experience right on your phone. 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That's 50% off your first year at monarch.com with code iced coffee. What if she wasn't used to that? What if it was just like 5K a month is all she's experienced? She says she's fine with it. Would you believe that? >> It really just depends on how old the girl is, where she's from, because 5K a month, you're not going to really be able to live in Miami uh for that much. >> How much do you need to live in Miami? >> I wouldn't want to live anywhere near Miami for less than $10,000 a month. >> $10,000 a month? Yeah, I think that's a good answer cuz I think that um rent is probably going to start around 2 to 3K maybe in like Edgewater. Like good luck in Bickl. Like you're not living in Bickl. You're not living uh in downtown for for you know less than than 5 to 6K, you know, even for like some of these one or twobedroom apartments. and then you have your car payment, you have groceries, and you know, god forbid you want to put away a single dollar uh in your savings account, then it's just not it's not worth living here, you know. And I see a lot of people who have um this online income uh you know, they start making a little bit of money and they move to Miami. It's like why? You don't need to be here. There's no no reason for that whatsoever. You might as well live somewhere uh with a super low cost of living and put some money away. At what point are people chasing improvements that no one will realistically notice? Well, it certainly gets there like within a few years of looks maxing because if you look at it like a pie chart, right, you're going to get about 70% of what's able to be accomplished from uh your body fat percentage from lean maxing and maybe throw another 20 towards um like your coloring. you know, it's going to be like how tan you are, your contrast, your dying your hair, whatever. And then maybe a little bit is going to be your physique, um, and then your skin quality. And once you like achieve these things, it's really becomes more about maintaining than like finding the next uh, endeavor. >> So, you would say if you were to give broad advice to the average person watching this right now, which most people are probably not going to be of the looks maxing community, it's just guys between the ages of 18 and 35. >> Mhm. The most broad advice that you would give would just say get lean. >> 10 to 12% body fat. Yep. And creating contrast uh is a key thing as well. That's what I'm talking about. Your coloring. >> So, you think it would be beneficial for me to probably dye my eyebrows? >> Uh, no. I think your eyebrows are quite dark, but I think you would have a lot more contrast to your face. Um, you know, with your blue eyes if you're more tan. Um, that's also going to create more contrast with your scara, which is the whites of your eyes. >> See, I would be worried. I I actually started taking eye drops because I I did notice that I look a little weird when my eyes are all red. I think it looks better to have like clear white eyes. >> It's a health indicator. Yeah. >> Yeah. But the only thing is that I'm so worried about getting my face tan because I have one sunspot and I just don't want more to appear. >> Mhm. Yeah. I mean, >> you say melanotan is probably >> No, melanotan would probably exacerbate that. So, um there there's different laser treatments or um things of that nature to try to remove those. Looks like you have uh you know post inflammatory marks. Um so where like hyperpigmentation? >> Oh yeah, this is melasma. >> Okay. Oh, all right. That's Yeah, that's going to be a little bit more difficult to treat. Um so you notice when you get super tan that exacerbates like it looks more obvious. >> And I take hydroone to like remove it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um how long has that been there? >> It's gotten worse over the I mean not worse. It's kind of stayed the same but maybe three or four years at this point. Um, yeah, then that's certainly something to consider. I mean, you could always throw like an SPF that's super high. Um, and make sure it has like PA+++ in that region. Um, you know, cuz there, you know, it would almost blend in if the rest of your face was more tan. Um, so that's something to consider. I really like um trying to be as striking as possible and, you know, that contrast with the tan between your scara and your teeth. It's really important. >> What causes that? Is that just being in the sun without sunscreen? Um, >> yeah. And it's the thinning of your skin as well because you have it kind of on like the subdermal or whatever it is, like the the skin underneath and then as you get older, you typically lose facial fat >> and then as it gets closer, it just tends to push out more and the sun will also exacerbate the coloring. >> It's not exactly losing facial fat. What starts to occur is you lose elastin which keeps everything in place and gravity takes course and it migrates down. So that's why you notice um the fat starts to accumulate on these folds um the nasal labial folds and you start to get jowls a little later into life. That's just gravity and elastin loss. >> So you know what's funny? I was in you'd probably appreciate this. I was in Korea. This is the first time I've mentioned this on the podcast in March >> and I knew that they were popular for skin care and so I thought I'm going to book myself a skincare appointment. You know, maybe they can laser this thing off. I had no idea what I was getting into. showed up to the appointment and I was with my friend. My friend's like 10 years older than me, 15. And he was like going through everything. They were like, "You need this, this, this, and this. What do you want?" And he said, "Everything." And then they turned to me and she said, "What do you want? This, this, this is this." And I was like, "I mean, if he's getting everything, I guess I'll get everything, too." >> Mhm. >> And then I go to the Apple Pay. And it was in the foreign currency. And so I didn't really know. Tapped the Apple Pay. $3,500. >> Okay. And they ended up I was in there for they kept it open past closing for about eight hours the entire procedure everything. And they were lasering everything on my face. They did several different ones. One was actually to move the muscles up like you said to prevent jowls. >> And then they also did another one that was like burning off small um wrinkles. >> Yeah. >> On your face. >> It was a laser treatment, I believe. >> It was a laser treatment. I did that as well. I got collagen injected and Botox injected and then one other thing injected as well. I don't really remember. >> You did both talks. Okay. >> Yeah. But I also One of them felt like they were like like pulling with strings. >> Oh, that's PDIO threads. Yeah. >> I don't know if I got the strings though. It just felt like they were It was like they were putting the needle in then moving it around. >> Yeah, that would be PDO. Def. And like I literally almost quit probably a dozen times within the session cuz I it was so uncomfortable and I also was so frustrated that I didn't know what I was signing. Like honest to God, I had no idea what I was signing up for. Jack sent me a photo and he had the numbing cream on for like a full hour. >> I had blood like on my face cuz they injected so many different things. Micro needling. They did that. >> Yeah, there's a lot of of things that are cope in like the whole med spa um world, but micro needling is great. Really good for your collagen hair hair growth. You know, there's certain types of lasers that are a little less effective, but usually the more invasive ones that have a longer recovery time, like they do work like a blade of CO2 laser, like yeah, you're going to have to stay out of the sun and stay inside probably about 3 4 weeks, but uh the results are going to be like tremendous compared to like the fractal CO2 laser that you heal in a week. It's the results aren't as pronounced, you know. >> How much time do you typically spend researching all this stuff? because your understanding of pharmarmacology, how different things interact with, you know, foreign substances with your body. It's really impressive, especially just like being 20 years old. Not to slight the age or anything, but I'm curious, how do you do all this research and how much time do you spend? >> Well, it's, you know, years of accumulation, right? So, in high school, I wasn't really a social guy. I was kind of just on my computer all day like reading about this stuff. And you know, even to this day, say I'm probably spending like an hour just looking into new things, reading uh new literature that comes out. >> What do you when you say literature, are you actually looking at like studies and stuff or is it like Reddit and Twitter and >> Yeah. Yeah, mo mostly literature because Reddit is just like anecdotes and I think that's important certainly to research um you know people's experience with different things cuz it's important but uh it's more so about understanding the safety of things um you know control groups and you know the actual mechanism how the drug works uh you need to understand these things really really proficiently u before you start looking into what other people on Reddit are So, if someone wanted to try GLP-1s or peptides or any of the things that you've mentioned, like the hard maxing stuff, how much how many hours of research before they do it should they realistically put in? I think you could get a a pretty sufficient understanding of how GLP1s work in a few hours. It's not uh the most complex thing in the world. And even further than that, you're going to be relying on uh medical experts, right? you should be going to your doctor uh about this kind of stuff. Rea is not an FDA approved uh treatment yet, but it will be, right? And so for now, you're going to get prescribed probably mangaro um tepatide. Um so you're doing your research, you're understanding how it works, you're understanding how to re reconstitute the peptide. Uh and then you're having a doctor with years and years of medical training to oversee it, you know. And I'm pretty confident in in talking about these peptides and recommending them uh cuz you know it's very very difficult to pick up uh on peptides right even if you injected the entire vial of radish tide or um something like that you know it's not like that's the lethal dose um you know nothing really would happen. What looks maxing advice that's out there right now is actually harmful. I've seen a lot of different stuff about people installing dental appliances like screwing in like an MSE themselves. I've seen people self-performing um like gyno removal uh surgery like literally like cutting open their >> no >> glandular tissue and removing it. >> What? >> So like a lot >> you seen this? >> I've never seen videos but I know what gyno is. >> Oh my god. I've seen one where people cut their medial canthus uh with a knife. That's like really bad. >> So, so it's mostly people performing these surgeries >> supposed to be done by professionals >> or really what it is is just making decisions without consulting professionals. >> Correct. Yeah. Um, so most of what I talk about, I always say this has to be done uh under the supervision of a doctor because people aren't going to understand, you know, how to use something like an HGH, you know, earlier into their life and they're just not going to give a to do their research. They're just going to randomly pin it. And if they don't understand about like their blood glucose levels, uh, they're going to eat a bunch of carbs and then take HGH and then, you know, they're going to be pre-diabetic pretty pretty soon, right? So, uh, whereas a doctor would come in and make sure to clarify that, uh, and make sure they understand fully how to use these things, uh, and then, you know, maybe they could get some some results or same thing with testosterone. If someone just starts randomly pinning test without realizing that it's going to convert to DHT and give them severe hair loss, um, then, you know, they're going to be screwed, right? And they're actually going to look sm. Do you think someone could become less attractive simply because they're trying too hard? Yeah, most definitely. Yeah. >> And where do you draw that line? >> Uh, a lot of it comes from like fitness advice, right? Like people will say caloric surplus, um, 500 milligrams of testosterone, um, that's going to make you fat and acne ridden and bald, right? If that's if that's where it ends, right? But maybe just a TRT uh, so that you're more energetic throughout the day. Uh so your face mask stimulizes a little bit in your body uh like sort of recmps. That's a lot more uh of of a looks max than the traditional bodybuilder blast the roids uh eat 12 meals a day type advice. What about the act of trying too hard? Like the fact that you care so much about it makes you less attractive >> only because you care. >> Even if your decisions and mentality are not born out of insecurity, that's how a lot of people will perceive it. And I think they see insecurity as an unattractive thing. >> Yeah. No, absolutely. Um but I think you know you have to just realize that you can make observations about the world uh even if you're you're being fully objective and your reasoning was uh different research they did on on dating and you know how the the top 20% of profiles get all the attention. Um, and if you, you know, looked at research about like the interview process and how less qualified applicants who are better looking are are getting these jobs. Um, and then you decided, hey, I'm the Looks Max. This makes sense. Uh, that's not insecurity. The average person's not going to be capable of, uh, being an entrepreneur and having some insane AI or or tech startup that's successful, then wouldn't you think that people that are able to do that are already they're outliers? They are they're genetic outliers with typically above average IQ. Do you think people should aspire to do that? It's genetic, you know. Um that's why like all the advice about don't go to college. College is bull. It's like yeah, maybe you were able to transcend the requirements of having a college degree because you're super creative, super innovative, and extremely smart. But the average person is not. The average person's pretty [ __ ] [ __ ] >> What do you think your IQ is? >> I wouldn't, you know, get into that. >> Have you taken tests and stuff? >> Yeah, but it's unless it's at a in inerson certified testing center. It doesn't matter because uh people will spam these tests uh which improves their score and they'll just take them until they're happy. Um you know, so it really isn't. >> You wouldn't speculate? >> No. No. >> So I asked GBT. I said, "Hey, based on our conversations, what's my IQ?" >> Wouldn't give it. You have to prompt it multiple times. About the fifth time it says, >> "Okay, your IQ is what was it?" 128. >> I I thought it was 130 something. >> 128. >> It was Graham. I'm like, I think that's inaccurate. I think that 128 is like the perfect IQ to tell someone that they are. >> I think it's like it it is. It's not so high to the point where you're a genius. It's not low to the point of being discouraged of like >> it placates you a little bit. Yeah. >> It plates you and kind of keeps you on when it takes over, you know, that's a few that's a few standard deviations above um the average. So that No, that that certainly >> So what's interesting I had jackass the same things and it wouldn't tell wouldn't tell. And then finally >> 128. >> So both got the exact same number which let's be honest guys, it's nuts. I think we tried this with someone else who also got a whole >> Yeah, they Yeah, it was Justin Atland and he also got 128. So, the three out of three >> 128. >> Um, >> everyone ask Chad GBT and don't say anything that would inflate it and then comment whatever it tells you your IQ is down below. I'm very curious. >> And you just have to say estimate an IQ. Do your best. Be honest. Just give me a number. Do it. You have to keep prompting it to give you a number. It's just so funny about like the whole IQ testing stuff is like you never meet anyone whose IQ is according to them less than 110 it seems like. So that's why >> it's kind of true. >> Well also >> have you ever you know I've never met someone >> but maybe those aren't the people that we're hanging out with. >> Those are those are also not the people that are intellectually curious and so like if you are under a hundred in intelligence isn't something that you're really considering on a daily basis. Whereas if you are smarter, you like observe it and you notice it more that it makes you curious about it. >> Mhm. >> But yeah, that's true. I've never heard anyone ever say like, "Yeah, I'm like 93." >> Yeah. No. Exa. Exactly. So, I always just uh I get asked that question a fair bit and I'll always just refuse it because I think it's just a silly uh you know game that people play with themselves. >> But you would agree that IQ is very important. >> Extremely. Yeah. >> And do you know of any ways to IQ max? >> Um yeah. like you could create more brain synapses with uh something like dhaxa or or cerebralin. So um just you know any form of neurogenesis. Yeah. Um and there's different neutropics that are going to you know improve just like how long you could you know how long your attention span is and um your productivity. So there is things that you can do to like IQ max but um it's a little bit nuanced. What's more attractive to a woman? More knowledge or more intelligence? >> Uh, more intelligence >> is more attractive than knowledge. >> Really? I think knowledge is because knowledge to me just seems practical. Intelligence, maybe I'm just misinterpreting, is is more like what you know about the world, but knowledge is like to me just seems like you could apply it. Like I have knowledge about this thing and this thing and this thing and I could apply it today. >> Knowledge is like understanding of things. So like >> be vice versa. >> Yeah. I would say it was probably vice versa. Like knowledge is like like I can recite every state and their capitals. And then intelligence is like >> how well you pattern recognize and like the decision-making engine behind things. It's not necessarily like you could be incredibly intelligent as a 5-year-old. It's hard to be very knowledgeable as a 5-year-old. >> Yeah. Right. And um like maybe you could tell like cool cool stories uh about ancient Greece to a girl on a date, but at the end of the day, you're just >> they like that. Yeah, they >> um well, whatever. Just, you know, talk about current events. >> Um but, you know, eventually it gets to the point where if your decision-m and your understanding of uh you know, just the world is is severely damaged, then um you know, all these cool stories and little facts that you know don't really mean anything. >> Are there any cosmetic surgeries out there that you believe are just overrated? >> PDIO threads are pretty cope. Um, I've experimented with them. Uh, and they're not so great. I would say filler is probably the worst one. Uh, filler is actually terrible. So, so filler is actually going to cosmetically descend people in a lot of cases. Um, because it's meant to replicate soft tissue. It's not meant to replicate bone. Uh, so if you're just injecting absurd amounts of filler into your jaw and your cheekbones to make them appear more prominent, doesn't doesn't work. It's just going to migrate uh and not have the aesthetic result that you want after about 2 weeks. >> Have you ever put filler in? >> Never. Never will. Never would. >> What about your nose job? >> Mhm. >> That was something I saw and I'm seeing it now. I don't notice much of a difference. >> Yep. That's the point. It was a intended to be um a super super non-invasive thing. I didn't have any modification of the bone uh up here. It was just an Aaylor plasty. So really just about reducing the width of my nostrils by a couple millimeters. >> So when I was seeing clips of you after the nose job, I think that they were being edited. >> Mhm. >> Because you looked like sad and it looked like botched and I was like, "Oh man, like this." You know, >> that's what happened. >> But then I was surprised because I remember when we met how meticulous and calculated you seem to be about things. I'm like there's no way that he like would go in and botch like if any was going to botch surgery I feel like it wouldn't be >> you'd have too much writing on it and you you'd plan too much >> and it looked botched but yeah in person I was very surprised how actually it looks very similar to how you were. >> Yeah. No, I wasn't trying to have a completely, you know, different face. I was meant to just fix a small fail of mine which was my um you know mouthtose ratio. uh my nose was a little bit too wide with relative to how wide my mouth was and I improved it. Right. So, of course, the day, you know, the week after you get a rhinoplasty, you're going to be swollen and it's not going to uh look as complete. Uh and it takes about a year, by the way, for the swelling to fully go down and for the the final result. >> Um so, right now it's been about five weeks, so it only look better and better. >> Do you have any more surgeries coming up? 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Do you have any more surgeries coming up? >> Uh, no. Not I mean not really. >> Why is that? >> Well, I spammed like I did like a lot of stuff at once. That's probably why I also looked like really weird is I got wisdom teeth removal right after that. So, my face was all like puffy and bloated and my nose had a cast and I had surgery on my ears so they were all black and blue. Um, so people are like, "Wow, this guy looks all up." Uh, but I just needed to recover. >> Are you going to get braces? >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, I have Invisalign >> currently >> in my pocket. I just take it out for interviews. >> What would you say men look for in women? >> Uh, I would say that men look for women who are modest um and who sort of are a good reflection on them. Um, right? If your girl is just like, you know, going and and being obnoxious, poor mannered uh when you're out to dinner, for example, that's like also a reflection on you. Uh even if you're the most respectful person uh in the world. So, um it's it's an your girlfriend is an extension of you and vice versa. You know, >> if Henry Caval is like the number one most attractive man or >> Yeah. People talk about Matt Bmer versus Henry Caval a lot, but >> one of the two. I mean, most people would isolate it to both of them. >> I'm curious, who is the most traditionally attractive woman? >> It's funny because like female models get paid so much more uh than male models do. Uh and yet, you know, a lot more of the discussion uh just amongst the Looks Maxing community and on these forums would uh be more male oriented. uh not necessarily because it's like anything to do with, you know, it being gay or whatever. Just people were talking about men's aesthetics and it's a men's aesthetics uh community at the end of the day. Um women could look max just as men can, but uh looks maxing was kind of created as like a more male centered space. Um, but I would say that there's a couple of the earlier 2000s Victoria Secret models could be Tom Brady's ex-wife would could be one of the highest scoring in terms of facial harmony, but you know, maybe some people have a preference for like a different phenotype than hers, but I would say she's probably up there. >> So, that's interesting. You just mentioned some people have a preference for a different phenotype. But the whole idea of looks maxing is it's not about preference for phenotype. It's just objective science-based. >> Correct. Yeah. But there's >> attraction. >> Yeah. So maybe you weigh coloring out a little bit heavier. I think that's where uh being subjective kind of comes into it. Um you know so like preferring like Adriana Lima for example uh has worse facial ratios but uh she's more striking, right? and she's got like these super piercing blue eyes, really tan skin, uh, and brown hair versus Jazelle has like, you know, more pale skin uh, and blonde hair. So, it's just not as much of a like immediate contrast like striking look. So, um, but both are very close in terms of harmony percentages. >> I would be interested to see, you know, how people get the outline of like a perfect face and then they match up a man's and move it around and see who's close to it. what a woman's face would look like and how geometrically speaking an attractive woman should be from an attractive man because you know you talk about the one to one ratio or you talk about the strikingness you talk about you know having like a a sharp jawline >> if you applied the same but if you applied the same things from a man to a woman like you >> it's not it's not even close >> you would have like a relatively masculine looking woman. >> Yeah. So women are according to the golden ratio supposed to have a bit shorter of a face. So their midface would be closer to like you know a 1.1 rather than uh males being one. And then you know they would also have a bit softer of a jaw, softer of a chin uh and not as much height to it. So these are some of the differences. >> Does social media distort what men find attractive? >> Yeah, just from pornography I would say. You don't think by any other way? >> I mean, maybe editing. >> So, one thing that I noticed, and I don't want to get in any trouble by mentioning this, I think that Alisa Leu is actually very I think she's very pretty. However, I would argue she probably does not fit your scientific definition of what like objective beauty is to a tea. Like, you know, let's just say the average consensus is going to say she's like a 10 out of 10. But then you probably would argue, well, based on science, she would be, you know, a seven or a six and a half or something like that. But there's no doubt that the amount of attention that she got after her performance at the Olympics, I have never seen the amount of like edits. I didn't I didn't even watch her performance, but my for you page, like every fifth reel, I feel like I was seeing her dancing or her at some Academy Award or whatever it was. And I and I would check the comments because, you know, I have to pay attention to these things, okay? Social media, you have to click it. >> And the amount of attention that she was getting, the amount of edits that I would see about guys, you know, like like fangirling over her or whatever, like admiring her, saying she's like the most perfect beautiful woman or whatever, I have never seen anything like it. But yet, she doesn't quite fit. And so, I'm curious how social media can distort something like that, or if there are other things outside of beauty that make a man attracted to a woman they don't even know. I think that's just always going to be a a new phenomenon like that. You have a a girl like, you know, who who just comes up and like you said, maybe not the most perfect in terms of her facial harmony, but you know, maybe she just has like a girl next door kind of vibe to her. You know, it's not maybe typical that uh athletes are, you know, model looking and extremely attractive. So, when you see one that is, it's like it's kind of a shock, I would estimate. Uh, but regardless, people rating her a 10 out of 10. Uh, they're not saying, "Oh, wow. She's completely perfect according to science." It's more so, in my opinion, them saying, "Um, my life would be perfect if I had this girl." Um, >> how much is it though that men just want what other men want? >> I wouldn't say it's that important. I would say that's more of a a female characteristic >> really. I do think there is a bit of a herd mentality. >> So that's called pre-selection, right? That's more applicable to women. >> It seems like men would be just as susceptible that if all these guys are like, "Yo, we like her and everyone's competing." >> I think that makes that person more attractive just like it would be like a car or a house or a watch or some other thing that everyone collectively wants. It just makes it more desirable. Well, if everyone is um you know want thinking a girl's hot and she's dated a lot of like top celebrities, I think in a lot of cases that would probably be um something that'd be not so positive. Whereas like the pre-selection of um women being intrigued if they see a hot girl walking with a guy like what does this guy have going on for him? Um so that's a lot more of a feminine uh thing. Certainly. I do want to mention you said that when people say that she is a 10 out of 10 then they they really mean that they think their life would be perfect if they were with her. >> Yeah. >> But wouldn't that be more important than just just looks and so then you have to break. Would you agree with that or no? >> It's more so just like because like twothirds of uh of males 18 to 21 haven't had sex in six months. So that's just like a loneliness thing. But if you were to say what's more important like the a person's scientific matching of 10 out of 10 beauty or what the general public would thinks that would improve their life to the point of being perfect if they were to be with someone. Which one would you say is more important? >> The objective looks because uh a lot of people are just rating these girls uh super highly out of desperation. Like you know what I mean? if you could actually sit down and um analyze the face and not just like, "Oh my god, like my life would be perfect. I'd be so happy to be with this girl." The answer starts to change a lot. >> But that could also be different if you know the person, right? >> And and if you get to know them and then you see them, oh wow, my life would be perfect if I am with this person. I think that that is all that is >> just a desperation thing because most guys can't get girlfriends, you know? >> I mean, I agree that a lot of guys are having trouble getting girlfriends. I'm just trying to understand this because I do think that now from recalling back to like the people that I've liked in my life, like I knew that they weren't perfectly physically looking or like even the most attractive person at the school, I just figured, wow, I really like their personality. I think that that was what a lot of people >> No. Yeah. Yeah. And that's also a thing that certainly plays into it. Uh could be like the parasocial relationship, whatever. But uh that would be a ridiculous claim to say that dating is only you know superficial and you know shallow towards looks and personality means nothing. Of course a girl uh is going to be more attractive to you and you're going to like her a lot more if her personality is what you're looking for if she's gotten certain traits uh that you admire. Maybe she's the same religion as you, whatever. So maybe people could resonate in that sense. So they're applying these different positives uh within her looks rating. I think could be the problem is it's uh everything is being a bit distorted on like what trait is actually influencing the person to rate them this high. >> So you're saying that someone could see a woman as like a seven but then be distorted because all these other qualities make her a 10, >> right? >> What I think is like how do you make yourself as datable as possible? But then I would probably you and I would agree on the common thread of like, well, what would be a big component of being datable? It would probably be physical attraction. >> What I would say is being as well-rounded as possible. So, uh, any metric really that you could think of, whether it be status, whether it be your career, your income, um, your looks, um, you know, you know, your knowledge even. So, really everything. So just every single stat that you can possibly max, do it. That's how you become datable. >> So you have a girlfriend now? >> Mhm. >> How did you pick her as a girlfriend? >> Kind of just met her one night and then um she moved in like a few days later. >> A few days. How did you meet her? >> Um at my at the club. Um and I brought her and her friend back uh at to them. both of them. >> Yeah. >> At the at the same time. >> Yeah. And I liked her better. So, >> how did that go with the friend? Do you just When When did you make the decision? >> Like immediately. Um the friend had like a weird smell to her. So, >> did you tell the friend that she smelled? >> Yeah. >> And what did she say? >> Just h sorry. >> What was this? What was the smell? I know Jack has questions. What What was the smell? Was it like a BO smell or was it just >> Yeah, just like a BO like post club, you know, like it's understandable. Like I don't really have a problem with it. Like I'm sure my my uh you know balls have smelled like 10 times worse, you know? So, >> but that was enough for you that the one is like not but the other one didn't smell. >> So that was the differentiating factor. >> Well, that just like allowed me to like further the communications, you know, um to her. But it's just like a it's a stupid story, but um yeah, I mean I think I've had a girlfriend throughout my the entirety of my career. >> Wait, we were I still not quite through with this. So you brought them both back. How is their relationship now? Is it fractured? >> No, >> they're chilling. >> Makes girls better friends. That's why I always ask two girls. I'm like, "Are you guys friends?" They're like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Do you want to be really good friends?" >> That is an insane line. >> How often does that work? I'd say probably like I don't know like maybe a dozen times. >> What's the ratio though? Like how many times have you asked that and it doesn't work versus it works? >> 50/50 probably. >> So you've asked about two dozen times. >> Yeah, >> that is I mean that is like insane batting average. >> Well, usually like you have to kind of know like like you're not just shooting it at every girl. >> It's not the Steph Curry from the moon show. Yeah, you can you can tell like a little bit if a girl's going and her friend are like with it. >> But is this happening on stream? Like obviously not like coming back here, but like when you're approaching and asking these questions, is that on stream? >> Like how much does it help you to have a camera? >> It actually hurts me quite a bit cuz girls want to like get a clip off and like get famous from like rejecting Clab and it's like I know the shit's going like you know if the camera's not here. So, I've done like streams where um you know, I had like a hidden cam like from across the street and I'm like cold approaching or just standing there. And like girls are a lot more receptive um when there's no camera. >> And so the morning after you just kicked out a friend, you say, "Hey, sorry, not interested." >> The 10 minutes after. >> 10 minutes after. >> Yeah. >> And she didn't feel any, you know, regret or like upset about it or she was pretty chilling. >> Yeah. I mean, >> do you still see her around? >> No. No, she uh she was has a boyfriend and was cheating. >> No, >> I didn't know. I always I always uh will kick out the girl like I find out they're cheating, you know? Like I'm not I'm not always uh down for that, but it usually just happens that like I'll find out after. >> Wait a sec. I saw a clip. >> No, she got >> What? She's still with him. >> Yeah, she got the dude's name tatted. um as like an apology. >> No, >> see that's Miami, dude. Holy >> that is Miami and that's why I can't live here. That's just >> that is insane. Now I remember seeing one clip of you, man. You were at the bar and you're talking to this girl and what the guy came up to you and he was begging you like not to get her number. >> Yeah, bro. That was uh >> Is this real? >> Yeah, that's like that's real life. That was in New York. Um, and it's like if you have to like beg your girl like, "Oh, stop or or you know, go up to other guys be like, stop talking to my girl." It's like, bro, that's not your girl. Like, she's going, >> "Oh, that would break my heart." And then I like I I don't think that would be recoverable. I don't think I could ever look at her the same. >> Dude, I mean, if if your girl is like >> openly doing that. >> Yeah. Like entertaining other conversations. Even if like I were to be like, "Yeah, like, all right, no problem, man." You know, like why? >> That that relationship is cooked. Even if you said that >> it's cooked. Yeah. So, it's almost like anytime like that happens, like some dudes will get mad and like crash out on like their girl or the dude, but it's almost just like Well, I I would see it as if that happened to me, I'd be like, "Yo, thank God." Like, I found this out sooner or later. >> Yeah. Sooner the better. You find out about that. >> For real. You know, so >> wow. >> There's no point to get mad about it. Just be like, "All right." Like, you know, that's that's the way of the world. >> Do you know what happened between them? >> Nah. I still can't get over >> still together, bro. >> The girl getting a tattoo like as an apology. Why do you think he didn't leave her? >> And does he know it was you specifically? >> I mean, it's on aing live stream. Um, but the thing is like people would rather like put up with this than not have a girlfriend and be lonely. So, that's kind of like how it goes. And the the thing that really like helps you in a relationship is if a girl knows like that you have access to other women and like there's other options out there for you cuz she's not going to like, you know, try to walk all over you and be uh entertaining other guys cuz then you're just going to break up with her, right? And then go on to the next girl. >> If it was on live stream though, wouldn't she know that this is going to get back to her boyfriend? She probably knew he woulding like, you know, take her take her. >> That's probably why she did it. >> Do you think she could cheat on him again and then they could stay together? >> For sure, dude. Yeah, girl. >> What's your advice to this guy? >> Well, you got to just like um realize that you're better off being single than being in a situation uh where your heart is constantly broken and a girl is just completely like all over you. Do you think that relationships are only ever cat and mouses? And you would always advocate, hey, the guy has to be the mouse running away and, you know, you always have the cat chasing it. So, like, you have to have your options open. And then women are probably saying like in their whatever they used to communicate, like men on Reddit, women on whatever it is, and they are probably saying, "Yeah, you have to be the mouse. You got to, you know, keep your guy, you know, in check. Never show too much excitement." >> Yeah, man. I I just hate like getting into the whole like dating dynamics uh thing because it's just like the red pill and like a lot of the talking points will be said by the same people who are just like all like [ __ ] [ __ ] like all the sh you know um a lot of misogynistic um talking points and just like all over women uh even though some of it is true you know about just like framing the relationship. Where do you draw the line between objectivity and misogyny? >> If there's a statistic out there, something about the amount of of sexual partners uh either gender will have on average, like in your citing these statistics, like I don't think that really makes you uh misogynistic. I think that just like makes you going over, you know, the the state of the dating market. But if you're going out and you're only like spreading these facts about like how women are are acting and you know with with no uh calling of attention towards like the fact that maybe this generation of men isn't the greatest uh either. A lot of them are financially dispositioned. So it kind of makes sense for women to only want to go for like the top profiles. Like I think you just kind of need to realize what's wrong with both sides. >> What do you think of Myron Gaines? I've been on Marin show a lot, you know, and I've I've watched a lot of his streams. I think that, you know, a lot of of what he says um is true, you know, and and I've been on his his late night show, the after hours with a lot of girls, and he'll talk about uh a lot of things that are are really relevant to dating today. >> Do you think that he's a misogynist? I think misogyny like in in my definition would be like a hatred for women, right? >> Like an incel or something. >> Yeah. I don't think Myron hates women. I think he just realizes that there's a difference between um genders and that gender roles are important, right? I think he he says that our men are the leaders in the relationship and uh women are there in more of like an emotional supportive role. I think that's it's a fair take to to give. So, how long have you and your girlfriend been dating? >> Since April. >> And are you guys monogamous? >> You know, I'd be lying if I said I haven't gotten with another girl. You know, so >> you are you you're open with her with that, right? >> Yeah. I don't lie. >> So, she knows. >> Yeah. >> What does she think of that? >> I mean, like, at the end of the day, there's a difference between like sex and love, right? Uh I think uh women can kind of understand to a degree that um men could just like have the random girl and it's just a release. It's just like physical stimulation and there's nothing more to it than that. Um so I I think that there's a bit of an understanding. >> Do you think having the door open and always having options and women available decreases the intensity at which you can love your girlfriend? It's possible, but like, you know, it's not something I I like doing or like intend on. It's just sometimes like I go to the club, I get drunk, and like it happens. But, uh, that's not like something I want to be doing, you know? I don't want to be doing like this just whole degenerate like, you know, drinking and and going out all the time. So, that's just me being like immature. Um, but it's not something I see lasting. So that's more like a lack of restraint or willpower to just me being an idiot like adjusting to fame, you know, >> and did that cause hiccups in the relationship that you were doing that or did she kind of assume that that was probably going to happen? >> Probably assumed it just based on the circumstances of, you know, the introduction. >> Would you get a tattoo of her name to apologize to her? >> I'd never get a tattoo. >> How would you feel if she asked if she should get a tattoo of your name? >> I I'm very against tattoos. >> But she has tattoos. I saw. >> Yeah. That doesn't mean I like it. >> Would you pay to remove her tattoos? >> Uh, I don't know. Probably not. But it's just not something that I prefer. >> Do you still approach women? >> Yeah. >> And what is the goal of these approaches? >> Like seeing if I still got it. >> How many women? >> How many women do you think you've approached in your life? >> Oh, probably 10,000. >> 10,000 women. I've approached like in a single night like probably 200 girls before. >> And did you notice like the 150th was better than the 20th? >> Yeah, that's usually how it goes. >> There's not like a diminishing return because I get tired of talking after some time. >> It's more like club like approaches like yes the couple words uh and either yes or no. But um >> what yes or no to what? >> Whatever. Like, you know, I'm >> got to go get a drink or something like that. >> Yeah, something like that. I'm pretty straight straight up with it. But, um, >> straight up with what? >> With what I'm saying. I'm like, you know, >> oh, like, do you want to like get to know each other better? >> Yeah, something like that. But, um, >> something like that. >> I want to know what the opener is. >> You're always like something like that. Well, what is it? >> Wants to know the do you want to do you want to come back to my place? >> So, you're okay. So, you're basically you asked that off rip. >> Yeah, usually. And so you failed 199 times before the 200th. Did you end success that night? >> Uh that was in college. I I get a lot of like girls who say yes, but then like I'm doing like a bunch of and like I don't want to end my stream right then and there. Um if every single time like a girl said yes to that like I'll I'll go home and like you know sleep with you right now. Um my stream might end after 45 minutes. I'd get the result that I'm looking for. But >> Well, you said you did this in college. >> The stream doesn't need to end there. Could be a different website. You So you did this in college though without the stream? >> Yeah, I just used to spam cold approach. >> Okay. So now that you've cold approached probably 10,000 women. >> Yeah, I've gotten rejected more times than >> What is the worst rejection you've ever experienced? >> I mean like you only get really bad rejections if like you don't understand body language or if like some dudes are are pretty weird. like they'll get rejected by a girl and like it's an obvious like IOD indication of disinterest and they'll still like continue the conversation. >> So, what's an obvious IOD? >> Just like a really unreceptive like posture um like turning away from you like that. a nonobvious iOD >> just saying like uh do you want to go home with me and like the the girl says I'm with my friends. It's like if a girl really wanted to go home with you, they would find a way to get around that, right? So that's her saying like, you know, an excuse to not let you down uh too hard. But some dudes will like not understand that and they'll be like, "Oh, well, like, you know, they could do this." and try to like come up with um like a logistical solution. It's like no, the girl just isn't into it. So, I'm very good at like picking up right off the bat like if a girl doesn't want to talk to me, I know right away and I'll just off. And I think it's perfectly fine to cold approach like all the time as long as you're super respectful about like, okay, this this person is not interested whatsoever. Disengage. >> What can someone do when approaching to maximize their chances of success? And what are the most common failures of the cold approach? >> I would say the most uh common failures is like not having an IOI first. Like just going up to girls who don't even like like know you're you're there and then you >> What'si? >> An indication of interest. Like maybe they give you a smile and are giving you eye contact and then you go up to them. the chance of success is going to be like a lot better than if you just like approach a girl who's like on her phone and doesn't even know like uh that you're there, you know, cuz maybe it'll work. But um you know, there's there's no guarantee. But regardless, like I'm I'm pretty bad like you know, with my game and like cold approaching like that whole thing. Like I I just think it's like kind of funny and I'm like fine like sort of embarrassing myself and like getting rejected. Like I I don't have a problem with that. I'm not claiming to be some like pickup master cuz I actually think I'm like quite >> You haven't improved with 10,000 reps. >> Oh, no. Certainly, but it's more so I've improved like at looks maxing and being famous. So, it's like kind of hard to attribute it to like, you know, my conversational abilities when now I'm like huge on social media. >> What do you think you could improve on in the cold approach? >> Um, >> you still think you needed Jester Max more? >> No, no, Jester Max less. I think just like finding more like interesting things in terms of the dialogue. Like I don't really have like a lot of dialogue options. So like interesting things to talk about. I don't know. Just like that I guess would be good. >> Would you date a girl who makes more money than you? >> Find me one. Um probably. Yeah. I mean I guess I don't really have too much of a problem with that, but just not like something that's likely. Would you rather date, let's say, all else considered equal, date a woman that makes more than you or date a woman that makes 50k a year? Um, it's more so just about the fact that like, you know, you don't want your girl's attention to be anywhere else than the relationship in my opinion. Uh, and like, you know, potentially if you have a family in the future, like you don't want a girl who's, you know, super dedicated to like a a career or like a a startup when, you know, you have you have two newborn kids, you know? That's how I see it. >> Are you better or worse looking than your girlfriend? >> I wouldn't answer that. >> That's your favorite question, though. Or it's one of them. You've asked several people that question. >> Yeah, I always ask. No, I usually ask like girls who are friends. >> But you're not willing to answer. >> I think I know in my head. But >> then say I think my girlfriend is apparent. >> I think my girlfriend's very pretty >> and um >> however, >> that's all I'm going to say. >> But that's >> Well, like >> she just hasn't put in the work. >> No, no, no. I I think I would be perfectly fine and happy if I I had a girlfriend who's better looking and so that wouldn't be a problem to me. So like whatever people think I don't really care, you know, but um it's hard to be objective when there's like all the other things like you know you being attracted to like someone's personality to it. Sounds like you would care what she thinks though if you said that you're better looking. No. >> No. I that doesn't influence. >> So why would you not like what's your internal dialogue telling you? >> Even if the answer is not out of ego and it's like purely purely objective and you're like okay like her and you know you mapped out every single person >> want to say it >> of every person's face and you said that you think either your girlfriend or yourself is more attractive then you just look like an [ __ ] quite frankly even if >> so it's a trap when you ask the question to people. Of course, it's a trap. Yeah. >> Okay, that's fair. >> Just to see if like someone will be like honest and brutal or if someone will be like, "So, what's the best way to handle it?" >> Graham, are you better? Watch this. I'll give you an opportunity. Graham, are you better or worse looking than your wife? >> Hey, by the way, really quick. If you want extra content just like this, as well as early access and a bonus post show posted every single week, feel free to join as a channel member to get immediate access to all of that, as well as early access to everything else that we post along with priority responses to all of your comments. So, if that sounds cool, feel free to join. Would love to have you on board. Thanks so much. We'll get back to the podcast now. Graham, are you better? Watch this. I'll give you an opportunity. Graham, are you better or worse looking than your wife? >> Worse. I think she's better looking. However, >> however, >> it sounded like there was a however. I think she's better looking. >> Yeah. Well, I think that's the truth. I think it's I think it's pretty clear, >> but I think that's a win. Like, I take that as >> you look like Tom Cruz. >> I think that I think it's a compliment. If you can get someone who's better looking than you, I think that's that's a compliment because then genetically I've just >> basically maxed out your offspring if they're better looking. >> So, I think that that I I just did a service for the the rest of humanity right there. H thank you. >> Yeah, you're you're welcome. >> I think my girlfriend's really attractive, so there it doesn't matter regardless. >> What do you like about her? >> I don't really get into too much about like her our relationship, but like just having her in my presence while I'm like working is nice, you know. Um women feel like a very important role and like their energy that they bring around. So it's it's important. What about the energy specifically? >> I just you just feel better, you know, like whenever I'm like doing work on my computer and my girlfriend's like sitting on the couch behind me. I don't know how to explain it. >> Did you feel lonely without having a girlfriend? >> It's a diff feels a different role cuz I've always had like, you know, my friends and like people around, but like a girlfriend is like a different type of connection, you know? So maybe Yeah. I saw the one clip recently where you told her she was spending more than $1,500 a week. I think it was like an $1,800 on a camera. >> Is she have a budget on like how much to spend a week or is it like a rough estimate? Like how does that work? You know, obviously if you say to a girl like, "I don't want you to have a job and like I want you to focus on like the relationship," then it's your obligation to like, you know, take care of them and support them. And that's like something people don't really understand um who are like, you know, poor because a lot of like situations are dual income families, whatever. So, you know, I was saying like I think $6,000 a month is more than anyone in this world needs to spend. That's more than >> if they don't have rent, >> if they don't have any expenses, not a single bill. So, like that's more than most people make. How do you determine market value in terms of payment? Like how much this person should spend? Why 6,000 a month and not 10 or not four? >> Yeah. How'd you arrive to that number? >> Um, is it W2? Is it like health benefits too? I don't know. I think that's just an amount that's fine with me. Like I think it's just an amount that that makes sense. There's like you can get like new clothes and stuff with that much money. Um, and that's really about it. >> Does it scale with how much money you make? Like >> No. No. >> It's just that that's what it that's just market rate. If you make 20 million a year or a million a year. >> Yeah. I just thought to myself like you look at what it costs and you look at what she's buying. It's like no reason for like more than 1,500 a week. even if I had unlimited money. >> Where does $1,500 a week go? Like, what do you spend $1,500 a week on? >> Well, the reason that I I did it was because it was just like a lot of waste of like, you know, sometimes like, oh, I I want a smoothie or something like that and then it goes on a food delivery thing and it's like it comes out to like $50 with all the fees and for a $5 thing. So it's more so like uh you know you want like a smoothie or something. How about you get like you know seven of them and keep the other six in the fridge so we are a little bit more uh economical here instead of like door dashing every single meal. How about you know things get cooked from time to time. So it's really just more so about like getting rid of wastes than anything. >> I watched the podcast you did with Fresh and Fit. >> You mentioned something about wanting waffles in the morning. >> Yeah. >> Did that change? Do you get waffles in the morning? >> Yeah, but not from my girlfriend usually. I I have um like a a maid who who does it. >> How much do you work? >> Pretty much all I do. So, from the time I wake up to the time I sleep. >> How many people do you have working with you? Because I got to say the the people we met today >> impeccable. >> I'm talking like you. >> Yeah. Look at all this lighting. We have like this box above us providing light right here. We got that light over there. We even have a light over here that shimmers for the like the thought that goes in the behind the scenes here that you've kind of assembled is really impressive. Yeah. So I think in person I have like seven people that live with me and work uh for me and then like you know another dozen or so just virtual assistants like that. who does all the hiring and the firing and all that sort of stuff. >> It's a mix. Uh, you know, some people like my cameraman have been with me pretty much since I started streaming and you know, now I have someone who runs a lot of the business development like a CEO. Um, >> you have a CEO? >> Yeah. Who does all the uh, you know, most of the hiring and firing now. >> What's the worst business decision you've ever made? I do a lot of stupid stuff, you know. Sometimes I'll like self-deposit and like gamble money. I I've done that. Like I've done like $60,000 spend before. >> How much money have you lost self-depositing gambling? >> Probably like 20k. >> That's not terrible. >> Yeah. Um I mean I think it is >> okay. >> Just like you know 20 20k um you know compared to like how much I made. Yeah. It's It's not a lot, but like I wouldn't It's just stupid. You shouldn't have done it. >> Um, so yeah, I try to keep the margins as tight as possible. Um, so yeah. No, like when people hear the thing about like, oh, a $6,000 budget a month, they'll be like, um, oh, clvicular, like, don't you make this? Like, why are you, you know, being so uh so strict about it? And it's like strict about it. That's like an insane amount of money, $6,000 to spend when you have no bills. >> What's the most valuable business lesson that you've learned in your life? The relationships you make with people um are extremely extremely important, right? Like in not doing business with people that you just don't trust and um you know, you don't get along with. I think that's very important that you actually get along with your business partners. How did you learn that lesson? >> By not getting along with people and trying to make things work uh to increase revenue, but you know uh the relationship eventually goes to sh >> I want to talk about each one of your income sources and businesses. How is it broken down right now in terms of different income sources? >> There's gambling, there's which is a pretty big one. Um, live streaming, you get paid on kick for, you know, your concurrent viewers for how many hours you stream. Um, and then you have some of the short form monetization like the X monetization. You have Snapchat, which is a new one that's really big. Um, >> let's let's break down each of these cuz I'm I'm curious. What do you make on Snapchat? >> Few few grand a day. >> Few grand. That's so That's a ton. >> Like a hundred grand a month >> almost. Are we talking just from the photos? Yeah. >> Holy crap. >> How many people watch it? >> I I don't I don't really understand how the metrics work. I just have someone that that runs it for me. Um and takes all the pictures, posts them. I I don't know if it's like it's more so about like watch time and like how many people how many stories they're clicking through. So maybe like 100,000, but it's like are there 100,000 people looking at one story or 100,000 people looking at 100. >> Wow. >> They litter ads throughout where people are clicking through. You know, >> that's insane. Like that is some crazy monetization. I'm curious with the concurrent viewers with Kick, what does Kick pay you? >> Somewhere around like a thousand an hour usually. >> And how many viewers does that take to get paid $1,000 an hour? >> If I'm not mistaken, what I've heard is like it's uh $10 for like a hundred viewers or something like that. But I think they kind of fluctuate it manually. I don't really uh understand how how the KPPP metrics work cuz sometimes I'll have the same concurrent viewers and it'll be less and it'll fluctuate. So, it it doesn't make sense, you know? It's kind of just like >> uh Weather Kick sort of likes you that month, I think. >> And the gambling deal, I know that this is like for everybody like the way that everyone makes insane amounts of money. Like YouTube income used to be one thing >> and then the gambling deals with like streamers and stuff and stake rub whatever it is those came out and completely changed like how much money people are making to unheard of amounts. >> Oh my gosh. Yeah. >> I'm curious. What is your gambling deal look like? >> So I gamble 15k every day and um like it just whatever I keep at the end of my gambling session. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less, but usually it's uh a lot more um than that. So I'm positive for the past 3 months and I gamble every day. >> Interesting. So what's the most you've ever made in a session? >> I think the most I've ever made in a day gambling is like 85k. >> Holy cow. So your your best income source is probably gambling. >> Yeah. No. So I would say gambling is probably the top. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say. But I don't really like to tell people exactly how much money I make anymore. Like I do well for myself streaming. Like people have somewhat of an idea. Um I'm I'm sure could do the math kind of like what's publicly out there on like how much I make, but you know it's unwise to let people know exactly. >> I think the difference between I mean I would estimate probably 300 400 grand a month. I think the difference between >> 300 or 200 grand a month and 500 grand a month is the same thing to like 99.999% >> could be a million a month saying >> I mean for gambling I'm just from that I make a lot more than than that >> really >> then you're not it's not 15k a day >> that's what I start with but I'm I'm positive for the month you know so like I end with more than that so like I'll start gambling with 15,000 in the account and then I'll, you know, usually end up with a lot more cuz like some days you could run it up to even 85k and some days I lose it all. Like overall it's positive. >> Just thinking that maybe like you know women for only fans is almost like the men for gambling. >> Yeah, that's commonly said. >> Yeah. >> I mean it's it's substantial. Yeah, >> I'm I just feel like everyone thinks when they seen and don't quote me and sue me for this, >> but when people see Train Wrecks TV hit like a $50 million win >> Mhm. >> there's just no way that's real. Like my brain immediately thinks >> this has to be fake. Like there's no way this dude's spinning and $50 million. Wait, you're talking 5050 >> steak has like a billion dollars a day in in wagers. So like um that that's absolutely real. They're not going to like, you know, risk their all of their licenses and how much uh money they're making from their situation to boost someone's account to get like marketing. Like people are already gambling on stake whether Train Rex hits for 50 mil or not. Like that's really not a big boost for them and they're not going to risk um everything that they have going on for them to >> but when you're a paid gambler and you win three months in a row, that also makes me I hesitate. >> Is it a little like skewed? >> Yeah. Hey, instead of it being, you know, 51% house, we're going to go 49% house with this person. I mean, obviously, >> me or even this is also good to have this conversation because a lot of people, I am guessing, assume this. >> No, it's just like with the slot multipliers like um I don't know. I've just always gotten kind of lucky with it where like I'll be doing like $500 spins and I'll I'll lose like three in a row, then I'll randomly like up this the buy to like 2K and then I'll hit like a a max win multiplier and some of the multipliers are like 70,000 is like the max win. 70,000x. So >> what does that do to your perception of money when you're like up and down few tens of thousands of dollars a day? Does that skew like how you view the cost of like a coffee or like rent a car? No, not really. You're able to separate the two, categorize each one and say, "Oh, it's a car. This is just my gambling money." >> Yeah. I don't really like live in in too much luxury, you know? I have uh just the the Sprinter and I have a an SUV. Like I don't even have any other cars cuz why would I? It's like I don't even drive. >> How do you make sure you're not getting taken advantage of? Because virtually every single person that I've known that started making really good money at a young age that didn't have a lot of mentors around, I remember last time we spoke you said you don't really have any mentors. How do you make sure that you aren't being taken advantage of? >> Well, now I do and now I have people that that kind of look out for me and as I've you knowworked with a lot more people uh who are in really successful positions. Someone doing like a lot better than you like isn't really going to be out to get you. like, you know, I'm friends with people who are are worth, you know, 9 10 figures. Like, they don't really care to like try to me over in my situation and give me bad advice. Um, so now I have a better grasp on things. >> So, what's some of the best advice you've received? Best financial advice? >> Probably that it's not about what you make, it's about what you save. cuz I've had some months where I was, you know, making a lot more than I do, but the expenses were uh, you know, quite higher. So now it's like I end every single month uh better off net profit-wise, you know, but the top of the line revenue might be a little less, whether it be spending on like stream production that doesn't actually translate into real income or uh something like that, you know, technology that I don't need, just whatever. What's the ideal amount of money to make? Have you noticed any diminishing returns above a certain amount? >> Uh, no. It doesn't really make a difference because I outside of like, you know, my bills and what stuff costs, salaries, like I'm not really spending too much money on a day-to-day basis. Uh, I It's not like we're going to the club and blowing like, you know, 10K every Friday night. Just doesn't happen. What's the most you've ever dropped at the club? >> Eight $8,000. >> That's not bad. I mean, especially if you're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. What's the What's the most amount of money you've ever wasted? >> Well, sometimes I'll like I'll pick Airbnbs or hotels that are just like ridiculously overpriced. Like when we were staying at our last hotel, I think it was like 8K a night or something like that. It's just like not >> What hotel was that? >> Uh one in Israel. >> That is so interesting. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's it's very surprising. It seems like you're pretty financially responsible. Not that that I wouldn't have expected that, but I I don't know. Very few people are, especially when they start making such good money at a young age. >> Well, you seem very calculated to me. It doesn't seem like this happened by accident. It seems like you're very you kind of know what you're doing. >> Well, I mean, I've, you know, that's not to say that I haven't, you know, [ __ ] up like in a lot of ways. Um, but it just like I I kind of would learn a lot from like seeing my parents situation cuz my dad um you know I I grew up like very well off but my dad would still steal toiletries from like hotels and stuff like that. um like you know not not actually steal but just like take home like the little shampoo bottles from the room even though uh he's making insane amounts of money. So just like all these principles just you grow up with it and you know you're seeing it that's just kind of how you are going to be as well. >> How much do you spend every month? Like what's your monthly overhead? You have this penthouse apartment. You have another one apparently that's way nicer. You said I would say maybe like 400 or something like that. >> It's $400,000 a month. >> Well, when you account for staff? >> Yeah, probably around there. >> Payroll. Does that include gambling losses? >> No. >> How are you spending $400,000 a month? What is this? What is this penthouse? >> This one is 20 a month. >> And your other one? >> 35. Plus seven people, plus you're probably paying for those people's food, plus security, plus all the other stuff. >> Where's the most Where's most of it going? >> Salaries, travel is a a big one. Traveling's >> You travel well. You fly first class and everything. >> Yeah. Well, not not everyone, but like sometimes I I flew economy on the way over to Paris, but like I I'll fly economy as much as I can, but it's more so just about like, you know, the Airbnbs and then >> uh every single time you want to go somewhere, Ubers, it it just all adds up, you know what I mean? Uh traveling to Europe, especially places like St. Trope and uh Mkos are not the most, you know, cheap. It's very expensive to spend uh the summer in New Europe. >> You got a good tax person who's like filing for you now, right? >> Yeah. So, I this is going to be like the first year where I've had to pay like a significant amount of taxes cuz I didn't make too much money until about December of 2025. So, yeah, it's all it's going to hurt. >> How does that feel to write the check to the IRS? Haven't had the huge one yet, but um it's just it's not great. It's not great. Are you also making money from the membership? >> Yeah. >> Is that substantial or is that a >> No. So, you kind of just do it on the side. >> Yeah. >> And do you do any one-on-one consulting? >> Sometimes. Yeah. >> Really? >> Yeah. Sometimes I I'll do it, but I mean it's like uh I'm hugely burdened in terms of my time. So, it's not something I >> can really do more than like a few times a week. >> What do you charge for a one-on-one consultation? >> It's usually ju just something I'm doing for free. just like for for people that I know. >> Oh, >> it's not usually a paid thing. I mean, sometimes, but um yeah, usually just people calling me asking me for for tips that I'm friends with, that I've done collaborations with, whatever. We had some questions for you last time submitted by an influencer. This time, we have a couple more questions and I wanted to see what your response is to these. >> Okay. >> Okay. I see you out modeling. Uh, I know you've been on performance-enhancing drugs, but you seem to have lost all of your muscle. You look 100% natural and you're no longer going to the gym. Do you have any plans to actually go back to the gym and try to look max by putting on more muscle? I know lean is law, but what about putting on muscle? Will you become back into the gym to influence young people to actually train? >> Um, yeah. No, absolutely. I I um I don't gym on stream. I started going like, you know, a few days ago when I got back, but it was just impossible with between traveling and that whole thing. So yeah, I I think the gym is a huge part of looks maxing. When Greg says you look natural, it's because realistically I am. Like I'm on TRT, testosterone replacement therapy. That's not um you know a steroid blast bodybuilder type cycle. uh and it doesn't do the work for you. Even if you are blasting steroids, if you're not going to the gym, um then you're not going to make gains. You could probably make, you know, similar gains uh with good diet and and training uh you know, as a natural than someone who's just taking gear and ladaring in some cases. So, I see you got a nose surgery, a rhinoplasty. My girlfriend, she got the same thing out in Turkey. And so I was wondering, do you really think you needed to get the surgery? Dumb, you dumb [ __ ] >> I can send you that just so you just so you have that video. >> Send that. Well, um, you know, if I recall, doesn't Greg have a hair transplant? >> Mhm. >> Right. So, does he really need that? I mean, what? He's uh a million content right now. >> Yeah. He's a millionaire. He's got a girlfriend. Like, do you did you really need the hair transplant, bro? You know what I mean? So, that's what I'd say to him. Did I need the nose job? Uh, probably not. But I it ascended me. So, the same reasons that he got his hair hair done is the same reasons I got my nose. Clvicular. I think I found a worst fitness influencer than yourself. He goes by the name of Eric English. If you haven't heard of this guy, he's 16 years old. He's on performance-enhancing drugs and a lot of them. and he's literally promoting a peptide company on Instagram. Do you think he's worse than you? What is your opinion on this? >> Um, I don't really think that Greg like knows anything that I've talked about because any of the advice that I've given, I've always followed it up with, you know, under the supervision of a doctor. Um, you know, as you've probably heard throughout this interview. So, I don't think I've said anything too shocking. Um, you know, I I've said things that I've done that are shocking that are uh have a high risk associated with them, but I've always said, "Don'ting do this." I I've said, you know, maybe I'll have a drink at the club uh you know, on the stream. Uh but, you know, I still acknowledge like how evil and how toxic uh consumption of alcohol is and that you shouldn't do it. It's one of the worst things uh for people who are in development. So, I just don't know if Greg exactly understands uh what I'm all about and any of the protocols that I've actually recommended for people. We got another one from one of the most popular guests on our podcast, Chris Camilillo. >> Okay, he says this. I agree with most of his looks maxing takes. Where he misses the mark is in diminishing returns. It's not about looks versus status versus charisma. Once you're in roughly the top 10 to 15% in one area, your highest ROI usually comes from improving other dimensions, not grinding to become the top 1% in the same category. That's the nuance. Ironically, you also >> I mean, I haven't ever said that. You know, I kind of acknowledge the whole thing about diminishing returns. So, I just don't I think that's just another person that doesn't have a a complete understanding of uh my takes or my ideology. He says, "Ironically, he also underestimated how much of his current success is now driven by influence and celebrity rather than incremental gains in his attractiveness. Additionally, I think his age shapes his perspective. Looks might get you into the room, but every new room has different bottlenecks. As you level up, charisma, intelligence, reputation, competence, authentic relationships, status, wealth, and actual accomplish and actual accomplishments often become the limiting factors." Mhm. >> Being exceptionally good-looking could even become a disadvantage in certain environments. I've seen it firsthand at the highest levels of business where people sometimes have to work harder to overcome the assumptions others make about them. Looks matter. They just stop being the bottleneck sooner than many people realize. If you want to quote me, you can, but you never need Oh, I didn't need to say that. Thanks, Chris. Another perspective is selection bias. If your sample is dating, you'll conclude you'll conclude that explains almost everything. But if your sample is CEOs, founders, elite athletes, politicians, entertainers, or anyone at the top of their field, the equation changes and looks won't get you as far as you think. He's also willing to trade you wealth maxing techniques for looks maxing techniques. And Chris Camlo is someone I would absolutely listen to who has helped us tremendously. He's one of the few people I I just love to >> back and forth with in terms of investing. >> Yeah. And once again, um, he he mentioned, uh, something about me not attributing my new found success with, you know, my my internet fame, but I literally acknowledged that when we were talking about it. >> Yeah, you did mention that. >> Exactly. So, it's just someone it's another situation where like if you actually listen to me in like a long form uh setting, I I usually clarify all my my points uh extremely well. It's just like things will get clipped. That's the nature of short form redistribution. So, uh, I would say we probably don't disagree on much, me and me and that guy. >> What went wrong in the Channel 5 interview with Andrew Callahan? >> It wasn't him I was necessarily calling out, but I was more so calling out the fact that no one actually asked me questions about Looks Maxing, um, you know, or or any specifics based on that. I think he was just asking like random political questions. I and I was like, you know, dude, why are you not asking me about what what all my content is about? Looks Maxi, what's something that we could have done better? >> I don't think that um there's anything wrong. I think this interview was great. You got you were asking about uh whe how I weigh looks versus uh status and what's more important like you know in the hypotheticals that you gave. So, I think everything was was spot on. >> It's about to get worse though cuz we have other questions. What caused you to pass out of the club? >> Oh. Oh, just from just drinking too much on an empty stomach. >> So, Oh, wow. So, it was just a miscalculation. >> Yeah. I mean, just what like the the people watching like have never had too much to drink like in in college and you know, blacked out a little bit. Like it happens. >> It seems like they were worried about you like you were unresponsive for a second. He's like, "Yo, cut." Yeah, that didn't seem like alcohol to me, but I could >> No, no, it was. I mean, I'm just not someone who frequently consumes alcohol, so my uh you know, my tolerance is not the strongest. That was when I kind of like started drinking again after not consuming alcohol for like 6 months. But yeah, that's like what everyone put in the media was that it was an And it's like Yeah, technically, but that makes it seem like it was like drug Yeah. Right. that it was like drug oriented when Yeah, technically it isn't, but it's alcohol. It's It's a little different. >> Yeah. So, you got slapped and then pressed charges. What was the conclusion of that? >> Um, that's what got me uh like not allowed back into that club is cuz I pressed charges and age >> my Yeah. So, they knew how old I was. >> So, I wow. >> I kind of that up. But, >> you didn't end up actually succeeding in pressing charges? >> No, I did. I did. >> What happened? >> I'm not sure. You know, I I just know I I pressed like misdemeanor. I think battery is what it was. >> She's in jail for 35 years now. >> Yeah. No, I'm sure I'm sure she's uh she's perfectly fine. But regardless, that clip goes viral. It's so funny. Like every like couple months it'll just pop back up on the timeline. >> Okay. We need a yes or no answer. Did you get frame mogged by the ASU frat leader? >> That's what people say. That's so funny that that still uh the question still comes up. that went like so viral. Um, and that was like earlier into my career. So, I think that helped with a lot of verality because that was what like February. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, it's it's pretty. >> So, you did >> I don't know. That's I'll leave that up to >> What do you think? >> I don't really think about it too much. >> But if you were to, you know, do you think you frameed him? >> I don't know. Um, you know, my my whole thing is I've never really claimed to be like the best looking person. That's not my thing. like, oh, like I'm the ultimate looks, Max. It's like I'm just super knowledgeable in the field and I give advice. >> Do you see him at all? >> Never. >> You talk to him at all? >> His number's blocked. >> I No, I don't. >> There's no way they're talking. >> Banned from all platforms. >> No, that'll uh Yeah, that'll usually happen. Like, you know, there will just be like a random uh characters on my stream. >> When is the last time you were embarrassed? >> Never. >> See, that's the thing I see. It's like you seem to be very emotionally neutral. >> Mhm. Yeah. So, like all these different things like me getting rejected, like you know the clips that make me look silly, I get pretty happy about it. I'm like, "Oh, this is great. It's just like more viral, more views." Do you wish that you felt emotions more deeply? >> No. Low cortisol is the move. So, I'm just uh you know, if I let all these little things affect me, like you know, what people say on the internet, then um you know, I I would be just in my head all the time when I was streaming. It just >> I like the fact you're not reactionary. >> Mhm. >> I think that's really important. It seems you hold composure extremely well regardless of what's going on around you. >> You have to, you know, or else you're going to be impulsive and do stupid. >> Is that just you or is that just practice? >> Uh that's just me. >> Okay. So you've always been this way. >> Mhm. >> Do you think that it prevents you from experience experiencing highs as much as you could? >> Yeah. Usually people are so low in hip and they just do impulsive all the time. They have like a lot of fun doing so. But um like being pretty uh emotionally flatlined allows you to be a lot more uh you know successful and a lot more more consistent I would say. So I'm extremely consistent. >> And then running over that guy in the car. Did you feel bad or did you feel vindicated? >> No comment. No comment. >> Yeah. I don't think you could say how you feel because I'm sure it's still ongoing. And >> is there is there litigation going on? >> There's no way that's over. >> I I think it is. I think um he the guy kind of liked it up with a couple of statements made on the internet. So >> Oh, interesting. >> In fairness. >> I never think you should get in front of a car with a person behind the driver's seat when the car can go >> saying things. >> I have to say that to me seems like common sense. Well, let's just say that thankfully we're in Florida, not the state of California, or else things would be very different. The state of Florida um and a lot of it, uh, you know, litigators, whatever, legislators, excuse me, have said, you know, about these protests, if you get in front of someone's car and are are blocking them, then run them over. >> I see some of these that really upset me. When there's a car trying to pass through, people surround the car. You could see the person inside freaking out >> and they accelerate and the people in front get off and and then sometimes then they try to chase down the car and rip out the person. >> Once again, >> yeah, >> I'm not an impulsive guy. Uh everything I do is calculated. >> Yeah. >> So, so this is a status tier list. And so this it's based off of, you know, how much they can status mog, what they're able to achieve, looks, kind of the whole package, you know, maybe attraction to women or from women. That's a good one. >> Okay. Uh, so SMB, I'm going to put first S tier got to be Ronaldo. Um, easily. >> Um, >> and mind you, the closer you are to the the letter, that's that is also within the S tier, that's how it's ranked. >> Oh, okay. Um, Elon Musk. I'm going to put him I'm actually going to put him at a tier. Um, I would say >> I would say Tate. Um, I'm going to put Tristan Tate uh at a tier. I'll also put Andrew Tate at a tier. >> Between them, which one's closer to the letter? >> Um, I put Tristan. >> Um, let's see. We have Togei. Uh, we have Timothy Shalamé. That's probably another Yeah, that's probably another A tier. Um, okay. Now, moving on to B tier. I'm going to go with uh David Le. I'm going to go with um Oh, wait. I for I didn't I just saw Messi on this list. >> Yeah, you could you could put them back in the tier. Yeah, >> I'll put Messi right after Elon Musk here. So, he's going to go in front of the the Tates. Um, and right behind Elon Musk. All right. And then I'm going to put uh Oh, Henry Caval, also another S tier, right behind uh Ronaldo. Let's see. Mr. Beast, we'll put him B tier. Uh, that's hard. Yeah, we'll put him Btier. We'll do uh XQC I think is also going to be pretty high up there. Or no, we'll go Ctier. We'll put Hassan. We'll put Speed Kai. Uh XQC. >> Well, dude, when you're comparing to like Messi, I mean Elon Musk, it's like I agree with you. I took this I filled this out as well. I'll put my results what I put this as after you're done. >> I can't wait to see this. >> Yeah. Um let's see. I'll put Neon and D tier. Um, Jesse James West and put in that's I would say Dtier I think just like with how famous some of these people are like you know we're talking about Messi you know versus like >> it doesn't need to be linear. It could be >> Yeah. Um Okay. I'm going to put myself in probably Dtier. Um, let's see. All right, we'll put Bang. Okay, I don't know who these two. Oh, wait. Let me put Nick and then H I think we'll go I think Nick since just with like how controversial his politics are might be a little lower like C. And then who are these last two people? >> Me and Caleb Hammer. >> You got Graham on the right and Caleb on the left. >> Okay. Um, >> that's probably how I >> I hope I score. Yes, I scored higher than Caleb Hammer. >> I scored higher than Graham. That's crazy. >> Okay, so I put Wow. I can't believe you put Neon higher than you. >> Yeah. Why is Neon higher than you? >> Neon was the only person I did. >> Oh, maybe. Yeah, >> Neon was the He was the only person I put lower than me. >> Yeah, I might be. >> I was second to last in my list. >> Why is Togei so much higher than Jack and I? >> I think he is, dude. I mean like >> just cuz he's he's jacked. >> He's jacked. He's makes a lot of money. He's funny. He's charismatic. He's jester max >> physique max >> more than Jesse James West though. >> I think so. >> I think so. Yeah. >> Wow. >> That's Yeah, that's my list. >> Caleb, Jack, we got we got some work to do. >> Awesome. I'm not last. I wasn't the last on my list. Second to last. >> Yeah. So, you know, like I'm pretty I'm pretty objective with it. like, you know, I I realize like my fault and I have no problem acknowledging it. You know, I've never claimed to be like the best looking, highest SMV, just a guy who could, you know, talk for hours about every single drug interaction in my body and in all areas of Lux Maxing. You know, that's what I'm about. >> You know what? The other thing I will give you a lot of credit for, and Jack and I were talking about this, >> when he texted you, you texted Jack back immediately. >> I couldn't believe it. And you knew your schedule because it was so planned out that when Jack that when Jack asked, "When are you free?" You said, "This day, this time." Yeah. Um I finished another podcast right before this. I've just had a a ridiculous amount of media the the past like week or so. Probably done like over 10 uh different interviews. >> Yeah, you're very calculated. I think people can tell obviously like if they watch enough of your raw content as opposed to just the clips that everything you do has a plan and it's calculated and that I think the only thing that I haven't quite understood yet and maybe it's an age thing maybe it isn't is that you juxtapose this like very calculated intelligent you know you could go on for hours about pharmarmacology and you mix that up with a lot of very risky irrational decisions that some people see you making on stream that could just be for entertainment purposes is it doesn't seem like you've actually >> experienced >> negative consequences of >> you know extending yourself too much, >> right? So it it seems like even the chaos is a little bit controlled. >> Yeah. No, most certainly >> which is good. >> Yeah. >> Thank you so much for giving us your time today. >> Consult a medical professional. I do not get behind any of this like you know like you know talk to doctors. >> Oh, I'm clueless. Be smart. >> I I just like I already said this. Yeah, of course he said this. We're not saying this as opposition to him, but we all agree. Talk to doctors. Do your best. >> Oh, yeah. >> Do do your best. >> Do your best. Thank you for Thank you so much for watching. Until next time. >> Oh, and also if you want to see the fulllength podcast without the cuts, feel free to join the memberships. You also get early access to the episodes as well. So, really hope you enjoy. Thank you so much. Till next time.