Hilary Bowman Querious

Welcome to Conversations with LSNTP, where we meet interesting people and hear how they are increasing access to justice through technology. Here's your host, Shelley Reid. Today we're joined by Hillary Bowman, founder and CEO of Querious, an AI platform that designed to help lawyers get more from client conversations while protecting confidential information. We'll talk about how real time legal AI works, the ethical questions it raises, and what this technology could mean for legal aid and access to justice. Welcome, Hillary. Will you tell us a little bit about your background? Thank you, Shelley. Thank you for having me. Yes, I'd be happy to share a little bit about about my background. I'm a healthc care attorney by training. So, I spent half of my career in large law firms representing hospitals and health systems. And then I became an in-house lawyer, including at IBM Watson Health. And it was at Watson Health where I was a product council to a SAS product that was sold into hospitals and health systems. So through that experience I got exposed to tech and the legal issues related to that which has become very relevant to the work we're doing now at Curious. So I had one other in-house role after that and then decided to focus full-time on building a legal tech product. >> That's really interesting. So many people that I've spoken to that found companies have started in health health law and medical. So maybe there's something there. Um, but I just want to talk about what inspired you to start Querious to begin with. >> Absolutely. So I was practicing as an attorney having lots of client conversations every day. And there's a a few conversations that stick out in my mind as as leading to the idea for Curious. And one of those was in speaking with the CEO of a healthcare company. He asked me a question before chat GPT was a household name and people were experimenting with AI. He said, "Can I use AI to summarize medical records?" And as a healthcare attorney, I knew HIPPA forwards and backwards. I was very very familiar with the regulations. But his question caught me off guard because HIPPA obviously was implemented and updated and amended long before AI was part of our, you know, our regular conversations. And so in the moment when I was asked this question, I I didn't have a great response. I s I gave the typical lawyer answer, let me do some research and follow up with you. And so I did that research and in sharing this story with a colleague, I said, I wish I had been able to ask better questions. It was a topic that had gone slightly outside of my practice area, and I wish I would have asked, what do you mean by AI? How are you planning to use the output from that AI tool? Will it contain protected health information or is it some other summary or aggregate level of information? And in the moment I did not ask any of those questions. And so it led to a second conversation which is which is perfectly normal. But it did start me off in the process of researching the market, looking at tools out there. What are tools that could help me brainstorm in the moment to ask better questions to pull out all the critical details while the client's right in front of me? That's really really interesting. So, so you have this idea, you've checked on what's out in the market. How did you go about building the company? So the next step I was sharing these thoughts with some close friends of ours and one of them is a CTO and I said if I wanted to have someone test whether or not it was possible to listen to a conversation, analyze it and suggest questions from that. What would I do? and he recommended a few development or engineering software engineering agencies. So I reached out to them, I talked to them and we ended up engaging one of them to build a small proof of concept and the engineer that was staffed on that project is my technical co-founder and has we've been working together almost three years at this point. So it really just worked out perfectly. I was very lucky. That is great. When you find the right partner, you know, doors open. Yes. Um you with a lot of work, but >> So I understand that um you participated in my favorite part of ABA Tech show, the pitch competition back in 2025. How did that go and what has been the result of that? >> Yes. So we won the ABA pitch competition and that was really our commercial launch into the market. So we had been in stealth mode. We were playing with different versions of curious and early one was very focused on all the Microsoft suite of products but then we had to expand. So yeah the ABA tech show was really okay we are in the market you it is a product you can go and sign up for on our website. So that was a really exciting moment. It was also the first time that we started talking about legal conversational intelligence, a tool that would help you analyze and manage the complexities of client conversations. And we've gone on to be recognized by other organizations as well, which has been really exciting and um really appreciate the the interest that folks have had in what we're building. So we've talked about a lot of the positive things but what are some of the challenges that you faced along the way? >> Absolutely. So from a technical standpoint it was really difficult to build a product in the beginning that could accommodate all of the unique technical requirements of attorneys. So every everyone talks about tech stack. What's a tech stack? It's all the tools that you use in your life to do your work. And so that can include your email provider, your virtual meeting platform, any other applications you've added. And so when we started building, we really focused on Microsoft thinking, well, a lot of attorneys use Microsoft Outlook, they must use Microsoft Teams. But what we quickly realized is that beta version could only take us so far because there's the firm that uses Microsoft Outlook with Zoom or there's the firm that has Google Email and uses Google Meet. And so the technical challenge of building a product that can work with Microsoft Teams, Zoom, Google Meet, and both of the accompanying email providers. really we we quickly found out how much work that was going to be but we've done it and we are integrated into all of that. So I would say that was the first technical challenge. The other ethical or even emotional challenge of of getting people to adopt this product early on is the privacy aspect of this. So, when I first told some of my friends who are attorneys that I wanted to build this tool to listen to conversations, they were like, "You're going to put what in your client conversations?" Like, are you crazy? No one's ever going to allow that. But I I was like, "Hang on a second. I know I know the knee-jerk reaction about having technology listen to a conversation, but I did my research." And so I pulled up I'm licensed in North Carolina and Massachusetts. So I pulled up the pro rules of professional conduct for both states. And I I also looked at the ABA model rules and everything. And I went through every single one of them. I went through guidance documents and the opinion the ethical opinions and what I concluded and I even wrote myself a white paper just to prove it. I wrote I still have this old white paper and I was like there's nothing in I am not reading anything in these documents that says you can't have technology listen to a conversation because there are ethical opinions about recording client conversations. There are ethical opinions about storing client information in the cloud. And so I'm looking at all of these pieces, parts, and I'm like, if there is if there's opinions saying that this is okay, what I'm building is is a combination of all of these things. And so it really came down to, okay, I've I've reviewed all of these ethical requirements. How do we build the product architecture to align with them? And so that's really been the the driving factor of every decision we make, every feature we build. It's bringing it back to okay, if privilege, if you protect privilege through this two-part test, the the parties using the technology have an expectation of privacy and there's reasonable security safeguards in place. We are always focused on what are those reasonable security safeguards and and that's what drives how we build our product. That's great. You did your homework first and that is a step that I think that many trying to build something for the legal or sell something to the legal market not necessarily build for the legal market come in without having done. So that that's really great. So, I would imagine as people come up to your booth, you know, you just hand out this white paper. All your questions are answered here. >> Yeah. >> Oh gosh. So, let's let's let's dig in, start digging in a little bit more. You know, we know there's a problem with um you know, when you have an interview with a client. So, what is wrong with the way attorneys um do their client interactions today? Um, you know, traditionally it's an attorney's jotting down notes on the notepad while they're talking. Um, and then, you know, they have to later enter them into the case management system. >> How can that be better? What's the problem here? >> Yeah. Yeah. And actually, I I like the cho the word choice you used at the end there. So, there's nothing wrong with taking handwritten notes. There's nothing wrong with manually typing them. I think there's just a better way that we could take notes and and capture these critical conversations. So, I think the focus has always been for our product client conversations. It's where you're earning your client's trust. It's where you're pulling out critical details. And so, how can we capture that in real time? How can we structure that in a way that creates valuable work product to support whatever whatever follow-up steps you're going to take? So, I think today when you're handwriting notes, let's just take the handwriting example, there's you can do it quickly in the moment while you're having a conversation. I think one of the challenges is, you know, you're kind of looking down or maybe looking away from the client. You're missing out on the the eye contact, which is the first thing. And after the conversation, I think the bigger challenge with that is it's completely unorganized, right? Clients don't speak in a linear organized fashion. At least the clients I interacted with, you know, they were moving a million miles an hour and they were talking about this and they're like, "Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention that." And so they're all over the place. And your notes then reflect the chaos of a client conversation. So I think the challenge of the handwritten notes is you just you don't have a great road mapap for what to do next. You might have all the critical details but then you have to spend time organizing them. With typewritten notes I think you can certainly improve some of that organization with other tools that are available. I just think with typing it's that same challenge. It takes you away from being really present with the client. And so the goal of our product has been get the benefit of the note takingaking, the organization, the summarization while also having the benefit again of having a natural conversation. And I've actually been so happy without saying that to users. Uh it was actually in a a pilot with North Carolina uh the legal aid of North Carolina that someone said to us, "I can finally just focus on the client. It's, you know, it's been years, right? I'm taking handwritten notes." And she just said like, "It's been years since I've just been able to look at the client." And so that to me was was the ultimate success. And I think that's really important because when a client comes to an attorney's office, they want to feel heard. So if an a client, you know, I mean, if an attorney is pounding on their keyboard or head down taking notes, that's not building a relationship with that client, you know. So to be able to make eye contact and to >> um without even getting into the what curious is doing in the background >> um it is it's a step forward in um client interaction and building that relationship with our client. >> So let's we kind of hinted at it. So let's start digging into how Curious works and what the benefits are for users. >> Absolutely. So there's a few parts to the product. The first is when you are in a conversation, whether it's taking place in a virtual conversation like Zoom or Teams or you're on a phone, Curious is listening to the audio from your conversation and analyzing it for what are potential follow-up questions you could ask or what are legal issues that are being raised by the conversation. So, in real time, it's a brainstorming tool. And we we provide those prompts to the attorney. Only the attorney sees it in a little sidebar that you can have open on your computer or just right next to the faces in a virtual meeting. And those prompts help you brainstorm how to pull out all of the critical details in a conversation. So, that's what's happening in real time. After the conversation, attorneys receive a structured detailed set of notes with an overview, a recap of the facts, a summary and detailed view of the issues, and then follow-up tasks. So, that document can be used, you can download it as word or PDF, you can have it emailed to you, you can copy paste parts of it into our practice management tool. And we do have integrations with cleo smokeball and ADM my case today. >> Awesome. So earlier you mentioned the ter or the phrase legal conversational intelligence and in fact you've trademarked that phrase. >> Can you go into a little bit more about what that means? >> Absolutely. So the idea be behind legal conversational intelligence is how can we take complex conversations and organize the substance of it. Really pull out what are the critical issues, what are the areas of risk for this client and then produce it in a format that attorneys can easily use to do their follow-up work. Because what I have found is that there's lots of tools on the market, general purpose AI tools. There's a transcription tool right here in Zoom, right, that we could turn on and summarize our conversations. But those generalpurpose tools, putting all the privacy and security considerations aside, uh, as a functional tool, they they really listen to the whole conversation and reduce it to fewer words. But that doesn't work for an attorney. You have to understand what is the substance of the conversation. What is more important or less important about a legal conversation in order to have notes that are beneficial to an attorney. And so that's what's happening behind the scenes. We're really analyzing it, trying to figure out what is the point of this conversation. What are the more important issues? What are the less important issues? So when we produce those notes, it's focused or produced through the lens of what an attorney needs to do their work. >> So we've talked about the end product, >> but actually during the conversation, >> Curious is is on the ball then helping the attorney. So how does Curious help during the conversation? What does an attorney see um while using Curious during a client meeting? >> Absolutely. So the real time analysis of the conversation, I'll I'll address the product architecture first. So at first we're just listening to the audio from the conversation. We do have to transcribe the conversation in parts. We never create a full audio file or transcription of the entire conversation. And in doing that, we then feed it through different large language models that are privately deployed in our secure cloud environment. So it's a series of large language models that work together to say, "Okay, here's parts of a conversation. What are the most important topics within this topic? What are potential legal issues? What are follow-up questions?" You can kind of see a funnel, right? It gets narrower and narrower as it goes on. And so it's lots of different large language models working in concert to say okay what's happening in this conversation what what should be the next step or what could be a helpful question to ask next. So that's how the product architecture works in real time. What the attorney sees in real time is two tabs. So one tab is called the admin tab. That tab, if you don't plan anything ahead of time, just produces here's some follow-up questions that you could ask in the moment, and they just appear every so often throughout the conversation based on what the where the conversation is going. There's also a feature where you can plan questions ahead of time. And this this was an idea from a user and they said, "I would love to see to what extent I've covered or these questions have been answered." So, there's actually a way to take your agenda or a playbook or a checklist that you have, add it into Curious, and then in that conversation in real time, you can see it'll show you the answers. If those questions haven't been addressed, you can see it in real time, and they change colors, too. So, visually, you can see how you're doing according to your your plan. So, that's the admin tab. The legal tab then is really focused on the issue spotting. So the highest level we we provide bands that have kind of the topics the highle topics listed out and then once you click on the topic it shows you below it what are potential legal issues that are being raised and the the legal issues if you dig a little bit deeper it shows you what are the relevant quotes from the conversation that roll up to that issue. What is relevant research to that issue? And so if the conversation just goes in a certain direction and you really need to get granular in the moment, that is available to you. You're not turning and googling something or quickly frantically putting something into chat GPT while you're while you're talking to your client. >> And that goes back to your, you know, why why you develop this is is to have those questions while you're in, you know, while you're in the conversation. So that's awesome. So, we will put in the in the show notes your a link to your interview with Bob Ambrosie because I really liked the demo that you did during that interview. So, if people want to actually see it in action, they can go and watch that interview with Bob and and see what's going on on screen. Um, so after the conversation is finished, you you've mentioned some of the things that are produced, but how can an attorney take what's produced and use it for their clients? Um, how can those outputs fit into an attorney's workflow? >> Absolutely. So, in addition to producing a detailed set of notes, we produce a word document version, a PDF version, as well as an autodrafted summary email. And today, a user can go into their account and configure what fields are spelled out in an in a summary email. And so that email, most commonly we hear users say, I take that email, I make I read through it, make some minimal edits, but then send it as a very quick turnaround to the client to say, I heard what you said. here are the things that are top of mind for me based on what you've said and here are the next steps because when when clients, especially clients in the legal aid space who maybe have not interacted with lawyers before, they're very nervous, right? They're they're very uncomfortable. Maybe they don't recognize all of the language that's being used. And so to follow up a conversation with a succinct email that's that recaps the conversation, they can go back and read it once or twice. They could ask a family member, "Help me walk through this." It's a way to show they've been heard. We understand what their issue is and here is how we are going to help them. And I I think it's so it seems, you know, a summary email almost seems trivial, but I think when you think of it in the context of of these relationships and these consultations that happen 10 or 12 times a day for some attorneys and legal aid organizations, it really it moves the needle. >> Absolutely. You know, one of the there are market reports and communication with attorneys is the probably I think the most common complaint um by clients is that they just never hear from their attorney. Number one, that attorneys don't answer their phone. So, they're not getting a client, but then once they have acquired a client, they're not following up. So, so how beautiful is this that we can provide better service to our clients through automation? >> Um, you know, sending that email is maybe something that attorneys aren't doing that we very easily could do with tools like this. That's awesome. >> Yeah. So before we have these client these um conversations with our clients, what should attorneys be telling the clients before using any AI tool during a conversation? Um you know, do they need to obtain consent? Are there types of conversations or client situations that you would advise an attorney to not use the tool? So kind of dig into that topic. >> Yeah, absolutely. So I think the the question really centers around the the rule of professional conduct about communication. So if you dig into what that rule means at the ABA level or or at the state level, it's really talking about transparency and it can be transparency with how you're representing that client. But it in the technology space, it's transparency about what technology you're using to represent that client. And so AI tools, you really have to think about what is the specific use case. How are you using that in representation? And will it be transparent to the client that you're using it? And in a lot of cases, the answer is probably no. Ours is a unique tool in that if you're in a virtual meeting, it shows up to the meeting and it's very transparent. That's on purpose. We have disclosure language that we're in the meeting. We're listening to your conversation. we're not recording it and if you don't feel comfortable, please let us know. We'll take it out of the meeting. So, we've really leaned into that transparency, just knowing the the rules of professional conduct. But think about a drafting tool, a research tool. There's nothing wrong with using those tools that may incorporate AI. I think you just need to be very clear with clients whether it's at an engagement letter stage, a first initial intake conversation that you are using tools that include AI as part of them and here's the benefit to you client. Here's the risks and here's the alternatives. And so I think when you're you're forthcoming with that information, clients will be comfortable having you use it in representation. Um, but it really comes down to I this actually reminds me of some feedback we heard recently about attorneys adopting our product. You have to be very comfortable describing the product, how you're using it, and what the benefit is to the clients for them to want to embrace it. Because if you're nervous and if you're like, I don't know, and I'm not sure how it's you, they're going to pick up on it and they're going to say, no, I don't want you using it. So, we we've learned these are things we have learned or heard from from other attorneys. >> Right. Well, so, so for me, I'm thinking, you know, I would tell my client, hey, at the end of the meeting, you will get a summary of the meeting, and it won't cost you $300 for me to create it for you. >> Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. The benefit of having this in the conversation is that you will have an immediate followup recapping this entire conversation. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So obviously curious is being marketed to law firms, but where do you see the potential applications in legal aid? >> Absolutely. So I think one of the reasons why Curious is such a good fit in legal aid organizations is because the core delivery mechanism of advice in in legal aid organizations is the consultation, right? It starts with someone calling legal aid saying, "I have this problem. Is this something you can help with?" So, it starts with a conversation and then the referral goes to potentially an attorney if that's something within the legal aid organization's, you know, ability to to support clients. And so, that leads to another conversation and there could be follow-up conversations if you need more information. And so from what I know in working with other legal aid organizations is so much of the core way that legal aid organizations deliver advice, deliver services is through a conversation. And so our tool supports that, enhances that, but it doesn't replace that human connection. It is never intended to be an AI chatbot that people talk to from the website. Those can be valuable in other ways, but our tool is to facilitate the core part of of how you deliver divi or deliver advice. >> It's helping build the relationship, you know. >> Exactly. >> So, that's that's awesome. So, we've talked a little bit about um what's happening during the meeting and so I want to talk about what uh information is retained um after a conversation. Do you have audio that's stored somewhere? Is there a complete transcript? I think you've mentioned that during the conversation, but let's be really clear for for the listener. Can you explain what information is being processed, what's retained, and for how long? Absolutely. So I'll walk through the the process, the product architecture and talk about each stage. So we listen to the audio from the conversation before we ever analyze it for legal issues. We do two things by default. So we pull out personal information and we also by default you can turn this part off. we we don't distinguish between speakers because uh speaker diorization someone's voice print can actually be a a data point that requires consent in some states. So there's that option to turn that on or off. So there's this filtering mechanism that happens first. Then once we filter out that personal information, it goes through privately deployed large language models. That's where we analyze for issues and questions on the back end when the information comes out. Uh depending on the filtering settings that you've had at the end of a conversation, we have your set of notes and your summary email. Our default retention period on that is 60 days, but users can set through their account a shorter period of time. And so we do have some attorneys where they set that to a as short as a day for two reasons. One, they're either using the summary email feature where they attach their notes to it. So everything immediately goes to their inbox and then we don't retain anything from that conversation past midnight the day that that meeting took place. That's one approach. Another set or another set of firms, they're using an API. So after every conversation ends within their organization, they are pulling the conversation data out of our environment into theirs and then we also set the retention period to a day. I have one question. At the beginning of your answer, you stated that we listen to So let's be really clear for the listener that you don't have staff actually listening to conversations. Um, >> no. It's technology is sorry I say we the product is one we are yes thank you for clarifying >> I understood what you meant but I want to make sure that the audience understands >> yes the technology is listening we do not listen to the conversations >> awesome >> so so over over you know since you've been out in the market what have you been learning from attorneys using the product and how did it change your original assumptions. >> Absolutely. So, I think what we learned or what became very apparent about putting Curious in the hands of lots of different attorneys is that every practice area focuses on different features. And by that I mean some practice areas and I'm thinking the ones that help with wills, trust, and estates or family law. They're very focused on I need all of the details, all of the personal information. Give me every last word that someone said in an intake conversation because those are critical details that are needed to draft documents afterwards. So what we found there is they are the the practice areas that are turning off the filtering. they are they want a full transcript and so we had to add features to accommodate that. So that's one approach. Another different approach is you know for a regulatory attorney or transactional attorney the issue spotting can actually be more valuable uh especially for attorneys that have a very general practice. So we work with corporate attorneys or attorneys that really just see a variety of legal issues. And so that real time issue spotting of well I might know these certain areas really well but it's really helpful to kind of brainstorm in the moment. Oh there was a tax issue that was addressed by something the the client said. We've heard people say that like I just have it up kind of in my peripheral vision and I can see when something is, oh, okay, let me tell the client I'm going to do more research on that. Something you've said has raised this other issue. I just want to I want you to know that I noticed it and I'm going to have follow-up work. So, it's really interesting. It's I think I knew that every attorney has a unique practice area. I I knew that. But I think it just further emphasizes when we see attorneys interact with the product, everyone focuses on a different part of it, which is is cool. It it leads to more ideas. >> And I, you know, anecdotally, we know that clients that come into legal aid organizations have multiple problems where the emerging one is just maybe a symptom of of a greater um of a greater issue. So, can you think about a client sitting with a legal aid attorney and they're talking and then all of a sudden the the attorney says, "Oh, I see that this could be an issue. Let me do some more research." And and the client is like, "What? I didn't even know I had that problem." Um, yeah. >> You know, so I I think that that is absolutely a benefit to a pro, you know, to using a product like this that you can actually solve more problems than what the client came in for. So I I think that that's fantastic. So how do you measure the impact of curious? Um you started out with a story by an attorney in legal aid of North Carolina, but are there other fun success stories? >> Absolutely. So we have a firm about a 40 attorney firm that adopted curious earlier this year and the goal was just to support the attorneys in real time, you know, use the the court product. What we noticed and what the managing partner shared with us very early on after adoption was was the handoff benefit. So what was happening in this firm is they would have receptionists answer the phone, kind of treat do the initial triage and then hand off that information to an attorney who would do a consultation and then maybe there was one follow-up conversation or it was essentially written work that would close out the matter. And it's a general purpose, you know, very broad practice that the firm manages. And what they found is that because the receptionist because of that initial intake conversation was more productive, there were better notes, the handoff to the attorney meant the attorney was spending less time getting up to speed on the client's matter. And then the actual consultation was also shorter because they weren't starting from square one. They weren't saying, "Okay, client, give me your full name. give me your address. Right? Starting from the very beginning, it was already let me just confirm that I have these key facts and then let's dig in further. Let's figure out how to solve the problem that you have. And so that was really interesting this we hadn't really thought about the the gap, right? Or the handoff part of it. And so that was really impactful for this firm because they said even if we're I think they estimated it was six minutes less of prep time and six minutes less of conversation time if they're reducing 12 minutes from each of those handoffs and they do 200 consults a day. the increase. I think they could take 60 more I think it was 60 or 66 more conversations a day with their staff because of that. >> Yeah. Of that impact. So that was really amazing. >> Well, and there's nothing that drives me crazier than to fill in like when you go to the doctor's office to fill out the information that you have to fill out, right? and then you get in the room and they ask you the same questions over again like really why did I fill it out? So I I absolutely am on board w with this um and and um you know if attorneys will actually use it and this firm is doing that and saving that time that is awesome but making a better impression on their client at the same time. So super. >> Yeah. No, you've touched on which we haven't we instinctively know that this is going to help customer satisfaction. We we need the hard data, but that's that is absolutely where this firm sees this uh trend. Yeah. Going >> beautiful. I'll get their name later because if I >> I'm joking. But >> what are your goals and visions for the future of Curious? Yeah, our goal is to continue building a legal conversational intelligence tool that can help all attorneys, whether they're practicing in legal aid organizations or they're practicing in a really niche practice area of a larger law firm. I think what we've been so proud of is that this is a tool that a lot of different attorneys with different practices can pick up and use. And so that's that's the goal. It's not to just help a particular area of the legal industry. It's I think a tool that can really equalize, you know, really give everyone the opportunity to manage complex conversations and reduce the admin work from that, right? Reduce the time that you're organizing notes or recapping a conversation so that everyone can focus on higher value legal work, right? Thinking through what are the legal issues, how does this affect my client, and how do I minimize that? How do I solve, you know, the the issues that they've raised? >> That's really great. So, you know your product best. >> What is one question that you wish was asked in interviews? >> I think the question is, what makes Curious, why should I I take a look at Curious when there's thousands of legal tech tools out there available? I think to for us to stand out I think that's the question that I would love people to consider to ask and the reason why I think you should try our product is that it is a product that was built by attorneys who had the experience of sitting in client conversations and it has been developed by uh attorneys who are our advisors who sit on a a product council that provides ongoing product feedback and so I because of that I've I've heard it from uh existing users that it just has a different feel. It just the product feels different because it was built by someone who had been in that position before and and lots of attorneys sorry not just not just myself but it has been informed it has been shaped by people who are using it in client conversations. So, we've heard the user interface is pretty intuitive. It's simple. It's not doesn't have extra, you know, details and things like that. It's really just the core functionality and it seamlessly fits into an attorney's tech stack. >> I think that is awesome, but I also think that maybe part of your answer is because you also hired experts to bring their expertise in developing the product from that side as well. and >> that that both sides are not always reflected in development of products for the legal market. So I I think that is important as well. But yes, absolutely. I I love that question and the answer. >> Um so how can people learn more um support Curious and get involved with your mission? >> Absolutely. So our website is www.curious.ai. If you go to our website, you can read about the product we've been building. You can schedule time with us to see a live demo that's related to your practice area. And we also offer different options. There's a a short free trial if you want to give it a a little uh try or there's also monthly and annual options for a a more comprehensive subscription. So, we try to meet you where you are and give you a chance to try it out in your practice. I think what's really unique about this product, too, is that you're not using this in any kind of test environment or sandbox. When when people test it out, they're they're taking it to real client conversations. And so I think um that that's exciting and that's why the I think the feedback is so helpful is because yeah it's not in this hypothetical situation. People really just sign up and take it to their next meeting and um that really just informs where we're taking the product. >> That's great. You know, even I can see um people being a little bit hesitant. So maybe doing a practice run with other people on staff. You know, if they're if they're not comfortable going right to a client meeting, um then get a co a group of staff people and do a pretend conversation, you know, try do the trial. Um yeah. Awesome. So, we've we've had a great conversation about Curious, and I hope that it drives people to check out your company and and the product more, but let's end the conversation with a fun part of of what we do every episode. And what is your favorite app right now and why? Or what tech what tech tip do you have for our listeners? So right now the technology that is top of mind is our our skylight calendar. So this is in my personal life, but it's back to school time. And back to school means there's lots of logistics. And so one of the things that has just helped me manage having a business and having a family and and all of the things that go with that is having a way to just I can take a school calendar, an activity, some other activity schedule and email it to the skylight calendar and then in our kitchen there's a frame that has the calendar on it and it autopopulates the meeting invites and that is how we manage that's how we manage everything going on. So, um it is it has definitely been a a great benefit to our family, but then also just it it allows all of us to stay on the same page. >> There have been many days I would love to my son like are you working today? Are you not working today? So, absolutely we'll be checking that out. I love that. >> Well, thank you so much Hillary. This has been a great conversation. I've enjoyed speaking with you today and um I appreciate you coming and sharing all about Curious with the audience. >> Thank you so much for having me. And even if you're listening to this and you're not ready to make a decision or try a tool, our team is a great resource for talking about the legal, the privacy and security, the ethical issues about adopting technology. And so we're always happy to be a resource if if that's helpful to everyone. Heat. Heat.