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He is like the main name. >> Bill Clinton was never on the island. >> He told you this many times. He was never on the island. >> He's on the flight lot though, isn't he? >> He's on the Listen, he was on the planes >> but never went to the island. >> Never. Epstein ain't worth >> $170 million. >> He ain't worth $17. But if you got a bunch of pictures with people pissing on you, nude and orgies, now the real question is, would Epste have ever really pulled the trigger? Rob, you're not going to go any lower, are you? >> No. That's >> Is that what I think it is? >> He's got an elevator button. It looks like >> he's got an elevator button. >> I tell that guy on the left. I want to be him. [laughter] >> I mean, whoever. I mean, that guy needs a [ __ ] holster. >> Honey, uh, John Morgan's talking about your dangling. He was actually very complimentary. No way. >> You're schlong. >> You're schlong. I want to know what's going on with Disney. Are you suing Disney or are they suing you? >> Here's my goal with ads, okay? Every ad I do, I want it to be so great that the viewer rewinds the TV to watch it again. >> We watch this already a couple times, >> right? Cuz when you first watch it, you're like, "How the f did he get away with this?" >> Well, he's going to be sued. So that's what I want. I call it Purple Cow. So when the Steamboat Willie IP ran out, that would be a Purple Cow moment. And guess what? They're the same people that my brother Tim Wow >> when I was 19 years old. I came back. I came back. I didn't forget. I'm like Trump retribution. >> Adam, what's your point? >> The future looks bright. [music] >> My handshake is better than anything I ever sign. It's right here. You >> are one of my sons right there. I don't think I've ever said this before. >> [music] >> something could happen. Yeah. All right. So, we're getting started today, guys. Every once in a while, you can use this word. We We don't We don't drop this word all the time. One, because you don't want to overedify guests if they don't meet this criteria. When you say a legend, my guess is a legend. You know, and and you can go anywhere. You're going to when moment I tell you John Morgan, Morgan and Morgan, you've seen the ads. The man spent $350 million last year. He's planning on doing $500 million this year. And as you give him a billboard, he wants it. It doesn't matter what it's facing, he wants it. Even if it's in the middle of the ocean, he's going to find some fish and shark and dolphins that got into a fight that he thinks they can represent. Over a thousand attorneys, over a 3,000 employees, I believe, uh all over the place. Uh incredible at marketing and uh interesting on the political side. Obama supporter, Biden, Hillary Clinton, but then Trump. So, and then, you know, issues with Disney and lawsuits with Disney, just you're you're all over the place. I We want to learn more about you, but it's great to have you on the podcast today, John. >> Everywhere for everyone. That's my motto. >> Everywhere for every one. Okay. So, I just met your son. I think you got four kids, if I've seen it. I do as well. And before we get into all these stories, um, you know, for someone to go from where you were at to now being having this great success story that you have, maybe walk us through how the whole thing happened. How did you go from, you know, wanting to become a lawyer to a law firm to what you have today? >> Well, it started when I was a sophomore in college. I got a phone call from my dad. My brother Tim was a lifeguard at Disney World, been in an accident, was a quadriplegic, drove in, hit his head on a thing, and I got called, I went home, and that changed our lives forever. During that process of his injury and his problems, I got embroiled in the whole legal process. We were very poor people. Our mother had already left. after dad kind of had a drinking problem. I was the oldest, so I was kind of the quarterback of it all. So, I got very engaged in his injury. >> How old were you at that time? >> Sophomore in college. 19. >> So, you're 19 years old. You're not thinking about being a lawyer. >> I'm thinking about being a lawyer cuz I'm I suck in science and math. So, okay. >> You know, that was out. Doctor was out, CPA was out, scientist was out, astronaut was out. So, I was thinking about being a lawyer, but I wasn't I didn't know what personal injury was. >> Who Who were you in high school? Like if Park High, >> but who were you in high school? >> Who was in high school? Were you the Were you the athlete? Were you the debate guy? >> The treasure of the I did magic at Walt Disney World in high school. >> I was that guy. I was like Steve Martin. Yeah. I was a magician at Walt Disney World. >> Entertaining personality. >> I was very popular in high school. I, you know, I was at I was at the cool table. >> Makes sense. >> You know, and uh um >> so this event happens to your brother. >> Happens to my brother. He becomes a paraplegic because >> quadriplegic quadriplegic >> and then and then the then it all begins the process. >> Got it. >> And Disney was so rough on him and so tough on him. And so I got in that process. >> And the thing about that process when you're on the other side of it and you're poor and you're helpless and you're hopeless and you're powerless, it's you can't imagine the frustration. And I became enraged. And as it all went down, I said to myself, you know, I was going to be a lawyer, but now I know what I want to do. So when I went to law school, I knew what I was going to do. I knew I was going to come back and take care of the people like my brother Tim against the corporations like Disney and those type of people. So that's how it all started. That's that's how I got into personal injury was my own brother's personal injury. And look, it all worked out for him. I mean, he became a super quad, so he was able to drive a car. >> He he passed away a year and a half ago, unfortunately. When the doctor came when I met with the doctor, >> when he was being discharged, the doctor said, "He he will not live to 30." >> And I said, "You are effing wrong." I got up, I walked out, he lived till 65. >> Wow. >> But he also came and worked inside my business with me. So every day of my business life, my brother Tim, you know, we end the day talking about the day. And so it's it's his injury is the most devastating thing that ever happened to me cuz, you know, I was trying to manage the medical, trying to manage the lawsuit. And then but later in life, you know, he came to work with me and him and his dog would come up every day to say goodbye. And it was a wonderful thing. >> That's cool. And do you notice that as a pattern? You know, uh uh you've made it at the highest level business-wise. You're successful. You're a billionaire. You've done very well for yourself. And you have friends who are at that same level who have made your kind of success. Do you notice a pattern with a dramat like especially not for millionaires, not for decillionaires or hecta, but mainly billionaires. Do you notice a pattern with extreme amount of pain at a young age? What do you notice with specific the top 01% of America, which is only what uh 1,200,300 billionaires in America? What do you notice a pattern with them? >> Well, here's the pattern for people my age. I've got a new book I'm writing called Life is Luck, the paper boy. One pattern I understand is this, especially my age. I'll meet people my age and I'll say, "Were you a paper boy?" and they'll say, "Yeah, why?" I can tell. There's a genetic seed that goes in to the paper boy because the paper has to be delivered every day in the snow, in the sle, in the cold. You have to get up and do it. Warren Buffett was a paper boy. Oprah Winfrey was a paper girl. Walt Disney was a paper boy. Have your viewers Google famous paper boys. So, I think the one pattern is there's a genetic entrepreneurial seed. You have it. And I could tell when as soon as I walked in like this guy, I don't know if you had papers, but I guarantee you something when you were 11, 12, 13, you were hustling something. I don't know what. Today it's everybody's on YouTube and coding and all that. That's the new paper route. So that's the one thing. And then the next thing is what I wrote a book about called you can't teach hungry. There is something inside of you when you're poor that talk I talked about that helplessness, that powerlessness, that hopelessness that makes you hungry and it can't be taught. You just you can't like your guy that I met coming in the comedian. You can't teach funny. There's certain things that cannot be taught and that's the pattern I want. Usually there's an entrepreneurial bent. You know, Mark Cuban, you know, we we're pen pals. We talked with him. He was selling like trash bags door todo. His brother was a paper boy. And so those are the things that I notice most. Rob, can you pull up the list you just pulled up which was very interesting guy. Benjamin Franklin paper boy. Thomas Edison paper boy. Eisenhower. Truman, MLK, Sarinov, Joe Deaggio was a paper boy. Walt Disney was a paper boy. Buffett paper boy. Tom Cruz. Bob Hope. John Wayne. Who else you got there on the bottom? David Simmons. Very interesting on the paper boy. >> It's unbelievable. How old are you? >> I'm 47. >> Okay. So, you might be too young to been a paper boy. I don't know. But I don't know what you did at 11, 12. Tell me. >> In Germany, I used to go to the local swimming pool. >> Okay. >> Refugee camp we lived in in Heirlong. And the owner of that pool, you know, guys would drink a lot of beer. And I was the one that would go there first thing in the morning and I would collect all the beers uh at this. If you type in Heirlongan massive swimming pool and you go to images, you'll see it. I saw it the other day. I may be visiting a uh visiting Germany to go see this place. But I was always out there selling, hustling, selling hats, selling baseball cards, uh collecting beer bottles and airlonganing to buy a Super Mario Brothers at Cow Fal. Uh but there was a hustle in there always. >> Listen, you're born with the hustle. Yeah, you're born with that hustle. And it it's not necessarily like Warren Buffett's dad was a congressman and a you know stockb broker. And so it's not necessarily but there's that hustle that you can't teach. You're born with that hustle. >> Okay. So let's let's go to the next question because I'm at a family founders event at Goldman Sachs three weeks ago and I'm at a Solomon Partners uh event last night in Miami Beach. Okay. Both of them they have Dallas had Ross Perau Jr. there and the owners of the the NASCAR family as well as EMTT Smith and others and they're talking about G2, G3, G4 and how do you pass the wealth on to the next and then last night they had the the founder of 1800 Flowers, the Perry Ellis family and all these other guys that are in the room. Similar type of a conversation on how you pass it on. The guy that was running Perryis is the son of the founder of Perry Ellis. So it's kind of like you got four kids and you're a G1. You made the money and you made a lot of money. So, how are you setting up the estate planning and the living trust and the expectation of which one of your kids comes into the business? If one does not, then how do you set [clears throat] it up with the grandkids? Then, if they marry somebody else, like, oh my god, I'm marrying a Morgan, so I'm going to get the money. And how do you protect your sons from who they marry to make sure they're doing it for the right reasons? How do you process the entire legacy planning with your wealth? >> All right. First, all my children are married. All my children have prenups. In my in my estate, it works like this. If you don't have a prenup, you don't take under the will. Bingo. >> So, I become the bad guy. >> And every time I tell people this, I don't know how old your kids are. You You will remember this, believe me. >> So, you don't want your kid to have to be the bad guy. You're the bad guy. So my kids could say, "Hey, my dad, [laughter] >> my dad's my dad." Now, if you don't want to sign it, Yeah. >> we're not getting [ __ ] >> That's right. >> And so, so, so that's the first thing. The prenups are fairly tough. >> Okay. >> Like, you know, one of them, one of the one of one lawyer said, "This is the most egregious document I've ever read." >> Egregious. >> I'm sure you took it as a compliment. >> I said, "By design." By [laughter] by design. Yeah. And so, uh, but listen, all of my the daughter-in-laws, the son-in-law, I love these folks, but I'm not going to have a situation where somebody can come in and, you know, uh, my one son Matt said, because he was the first one, he's like, "Well, Daddy, maybe I put a clause in there that if I cheat on my wife that that is a null and void." I go, "No, no, no, no, no, cuz we don't need to have any litigation." He goes, "I'm" He goes, "I'm not going to cheat." I said, "I know you're not. You know, his mother's a >> good question to ask though, >> but he asked that." I said, "We let's just get the documents signed." >> So, I did that years ago in 2008. I I had when the when everything crashed, I had everything appraised and I gave the big gift to them where you could give up to like 24 25 million. So, I did that. >> I built a company called Litify, which was a software company. And what I did with that, I took Liitifi and I just put it all I put 20% each one of my children 20% for me. We sold it to Bemer at a $600 million valuation at we took 60% but when we sold it all my kids got the money and then I used my 20% to toggle off and pay the taxes. So they took it taxfree. So I've done a lot of things. You got to do a lot of things denovo early on where there's no basis. And then the lucky thing for me is because my lawyers, my sons are lawyers, then they get to take shares inside this firm and we build new cities like we're going to open in Chicago. So they get to come in their denovo. So my children make a lot of money inside the law and but I have been very that question has been in my mind you know even when I didn't have it. >> Go one more. So what what is then what what what are you allow leaving to them to decide what to do with the grandkids? Because you know you hear like the Vanderbilt story the money only lasted one generation and it was gone where Anderson Cooper's mom's like I may be a Vanderbilt but don't expect Vanderbilt money it's gone right and then you hear some of the Medici family and the Rockefeller family how they're able to bring it down to six seven generations. How are you processing it for your G3 for your grandkids? Okay. So, the way I'm doing it is this. Uh, in our will when we die, if our kids have $100 million, they get nothing because now remember, they're going to have they're I'm transferring shares of the firm to them. So, they're going to have that. >> They're going to get if they have a hund they're going to get 100 million, they get nothing. We have an estate. I mean, a foundation that we hope to have, you know, you know, a a billion dollar foundation and all of my money is going into the foundation. And so, uh, but some of my kids are already past 100 million. I mean, some of them are already that they're done and and and they're going to make a lot of money. My kids are 42, 40, 38, 36. >> Two years apart. >> Two years apart. I'm Catholic. >> You only stopped at four. >> Well, let me tell you. >> Traditionalists get like six, eight, nine. >> Let me tell you the problem. Uh, first of all, my wife's a devout Catholic. The rhythm method does not work. Especially when you're especially especially when you're drinking Jack Daniels on the weekend, you know. So, I mean, listen, man. Every time I had sex, I had a ch if I would piss on a rock, there'd be potatoes growing in the morning. So, uh, you know, I'm very potent. I had to finally get fixed because it just I just I never missed. But, uh, >> that's respect. >> That's respect. But I had a hot wife, too. >> There you go. Good. That helps. And um so but you know, enough's enough. I mean, we we're doing things for our grandchildren. We got u the generational trust. A guy down here that we recommend, a guy named Andy Comet is our tax guy. And uh but you know, but when they were little, you know, I never wanted I want them to work. They always had to work. They never got to, you know, sit home. They never got when you know a lot of people go to high school and they buy their kids Mercedes and No, mine were driving eight-year-old Navigators and they worked on the weekend and you got to keep them hungry. >> What are you going to do with your grandkids? >> I'm not going to you know who you I worry about it because the grandkids the generation three is when it all goes to hell in a hand mask. >> And what I worry about is that they have live you know we flew down today in our G500. my my grandchildren, they don't. And that's what I worry about because they lead my when I go to I live in Maui in the winter time. When I go Dan just got married in Maui, you know, my grandkids get to lead our life. So, I worry about that. But, you know what I think about I was like, you know what? I'll be dead. I'm going to let you guys worry about hand. You all handle it. You all give me enough stress as it is. >> Is one of the kids richer than the other kid? Is there is there situations where one's done better and then how do you manage the competitiveness, the ego, the envy or the jealousy if there's any of that? >> If if there is I don't know it there. I know they they're all different tiers in age because you know Dan who you just met he got out later you know and Mike started first. So there's there is that but at the end of the day they all do different things in the business and some do better than the others and but you know some deserve more than the others. I mean, >> but is that do you talk about it? Do you say like >> I don't really talk about it. I talk about this. I just say this about that. Comparison is the thief of joy. You've heard that. That's not my That's not my line. I'm stealing it. But I tell them, look, once you get a certain number, >> it it's the same. I mean, a guy who's got a hundred million is leading basically the same life as the guy that's got a billion except for maybe a yacht, you know, I mean, or some astronomical house. And so, it's not I don't worry about that. What I worried about when I was starting out was that they would never have to struggle after leading the life they live with me. You know, I didn't make a million dollars until 1997. >> 28 years ago. >> Yeah. I mean, that's that's the first year I made a million dollars. >> Stop it. >> No, but let me tell you why. And this is a secret I'm going to give to everybody listening. Because I kept taking all my profits and pouring it in to new cities to I mean, I was making a lot. I mean, I but I was making >> So, you were paper rich, but you were you were not cash rich. >> No. But but look all that pouring in. >> Mhm. >> You know, last this year we'll do you know uh$2 and a half billion dollars in fees [laughter] once you catch up once you catch up the waterfall is, you know. So when I tell people I made a million, how you were 41? I go listen because I was doing Jacksonville and Tampa and Atlanta and some of them were tough. Some of them didn't make it, you know. not didn't make it didn't took time. So I was really building. So now, you know, we got 7,000 employees in all 50 states and and I still got some cities that have not that are still in the red. Like, you know, New York City is still in the red, but when I look at what it's going to be, when I look at my inventory, when when I look at LA, it's going to be bigger than the core. All those that 200 that two 2.5 billion, the expansion is going to be bigger than the core in my opinion. So, and the great thing about that's when you when you invest in those startups, you get to write off 40%. So, if I put if I put, you know, 20 million in a city, I only have to put in 12 because, you know, it's a loss. So, what happens in these businesses, you come in advertise red advertising, but you know, then you kind of flatten out. You're not feeding the beast. And then all of a sudden, you start getting your money back. And then you cross the Rubicon, I call it. You cross the Rubicon. And that's because I burn the boats. When I go in, I'm burning the boats. That's the river. When you cross the Rubicon, you go from red to black and then it's just like it's like a hockey stick. >> When When was that? When when was the moment for you where you're like, "We're about to make a lot of money." And I'm talking exponential. I'm not talking millions. I'm talking we're about to fly. >> Our private company's almost like a Fortune 100 company now. I mean when you see I don't want to talk about my net but uh it was you know the last uh nine years just started you know and when it came it it poured. [laughter] Thank God. Thank God. >> It's a great thing about business. By the way I ask you a question. You know what's the difference John between what skill do I need to get to six figures? What skill do I need to get to a million 1000 billion? >> You the skill you need to have is patience. Look, Warren Buffett, if you take away Charlie Munger just died. I was reading the thing about him. If you take away five stocks from Warren Buffett, he's not Birkshshire. But what Warren Buffett will teach you is this. It's patience. I was very patient building this thing. I was building my business. When you invest, you need to be patient. You know, index funds, tax-free bonds, be very patient. Instead of playing the short game, play the long game >> because once it starts happening, the power I started banks in the 80s and I was, you know, 27 years old. I sold those banks. I turned into Center State Bank. We sold it to South State. I've never sold a share. But when we're building when you're when when I did those banks, the power of compounding interest is people don't understand it. That's why these credit card companies, you know, 1.5% a month. Okay, that's 18%. That's right. That's a tsunami. Yep. >> So, you got to understand that. But I would say patience. A lot of people want to make be rich fast. and you look around and you they're driving in a Lamborghini and they got a hot chick in the front seat and they got a big penthouse and then all of a sudden one day >> it's all taped up. >> The Lamborghini was rented, the girl was rented. They had nothing. It was all It was all an illusion. >> And so I didn't want to kid myself. I never have I've never had one of those great offices. I used to tell people, look, I live I work in B buildings and I live in an A+ home. I don't need >> I love that. >> Yeah. I don't need I mean an office isn't I mean I could do it here. I could work here in Maui. When I built my house in Maui and my guest house in Maui, I didn't even build an office. I just sit out back and watch the whales with the computer and my music going. And you don't need, you know, you don't need that all that TI and the big rent. No. So, I've always been work in B buildings, live in A+ houses. >> Love that. >> But you got to be patient. >> Sell me the dream. What's the what are what are, you know, two, three possessions you have of like unique things that you collect, you own that makes you feel like you're 13, 14 years old? I own certain baseball cards. when I'm holding on my hand, I'm back to being 14 years old. What do you have where you say this, you know, letter, you know, from this this card or this painting or this car, what do you have that uh >> Well, my one of my heroes in life is PT Barnum. And so, one time I got a autograph, a famous autograph from PT Barnum. I you know, I like that. I got that hanging at the wall at the beach. That's cool. >> I wish I had baseball cards. My dad moved and I had these bags of baseball cards that I probably could have retired on. He threw them away. I mean, I had Mickey Manos. >> Oh my god. >> I had Mickey Manos with the left back. I mean, I had Mickey Manel. >> I I had >> 52 Tops. >> Oh yes. I had them all. Like I had rubber band the whole team. Phipe Aloo, Mattie Aloo, all of them. I had them all. When I watched that show collectibles on on >> Ken Golden. >> Yeah. I love that. We >> talked yesterday. He's a good guy. Have you guys ever spoken? >> No, but I was he's I was fascinated by that guy, >> but I kept thinking, damn, my dad my dad threw away. No telling what he threw away. I said, why why do you know what are we going to do with them? So, uh, but the possessions I have, I don't have anything like that. I wish I had those baseball cards and go see Ken Golden. Um, you know, for me it's it's just pictures. It's just moments. This week, you know, I took a picture. I had dinner two nights ago in Orlando with Bill Clinton. And >> how's he doing? >> Fantastic. Fantastic. He was on his way to uh Jamaica to uh for the hurricane relief. >> Does he still have the charm? Does he still have the >> Oh, listen. We Let me tell you, we went to the restaurant at 7:30. We left at 12:30. So they had I mean there was nobody in there but us at the end. We got I said I brought Terry Mclliff. He was with him. The old governor of Virginia. Terry >> Mal. Oh wow. Okay. >> And so I go I said y'all want dessert? So they like well and all of a sudden we get some port and get some dessert. We we closed the place. >> Let me tell you a crazy story about Bill Clinton. He's the first president I shook hands. I was 15 years old. I was working at Hagenas at Glendo Galleria and he came down. He was campaigning for something and I put my hand out and he shook my I'm like I just shook Bill Clinton's hand. Last year we're in uh we're in New York. Rob, do you have this or no? I'll find it. Last year we're in New York and I take my guys to Yankees game. Well, it's a rain out. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. >> I'm trying to find out what date it is. If uh if if what's his name is watching. Maybe text Vinnie to see when we went to uh uh um what's it called? When we went to uh uh New York. So game ends. uh game is canceled because of rain. We said we go to this place to uh go what do you call it? Bowling. So we go to this bowling alley and um I start talking to Vinnie Antran. Vinnie is a comedian guy that you spoke to out there. Yeah, he's phenomenal. Everybody loves him. >> And we're outside and we're inside and Vinnie say if there's one person you would like to interview on the podcast that you would like to speak to, who would it be? I said three names and the third name was >> John Morgan. Who are the who are the who are [laughter] the who are the other two? >> I said John Morgan. >> Let's do four. >> Yeah. I said John Morgan. No, I said uh I said uh Putin was one of the names, but I said Bill Clinton. >> Oh yeah. >> You ready for this? 5 seconds after I said Bill Clinton. >> Vinnie. I'm looking at Vinnie and Tren this way. They look this way. They say get the out of here. So, what do you mean? Look who just walked in. >> Oh. >> I look to my right. Bill Clinton just walked in. >> Serendipity. >> I walk to the side. The Secret Service says, "Hey, Patrick, uh, I know who you are. Hang tight. Let him finish up the conversation. Uh, we want you to talk to him." So, I go up to him. We had a good 50-minute conversation together. For 30 minutes, he just walked around talking to everybody. At this age, you've been around him, you've been around Biden, you've been around both of them. Does he seem stronger now? Even stronger than Biden was the last couple years. >> It's funny you should It's funny you should say that because as once we got into the port u at Chadams, I said to him, I said, "Look, you're Trump and Biden's age that they were." >> I said, "Let me ask you a question." You know, he's got a trimmer in his left hand and and uh I said, "Do you think you could be president now?" He said, "Yes." He says, "Yes, I could do it." >> He said that last night. >> Wednesday night. Wednesday night. >> Wednesday night. And he said, "Yes." >> And he said, "Now, I will tell you, I would have to pace myself a little bit differently." He goes, "Look, I put in hours." He goes, "My staff used to say me, I'm making less than minimum wage the hours that I'm putting in as president." >> He says, "I could put in, you know, more than Reagan." But but he said yes. He said yes. He believed. And let me tell you something. We sat there for what? Five hours. And we could I mean we had to finally leave because the staff, you know, >> five hour conversation >> dinner. >> And he was good. He was flowing >> flowing flowing. Funny telling all the stories. And I'll tell you what he told me once years ago and and and he's been so good to me. One time I asked him, we're headed to an event. I said, ' Give me one piece of advice. Like you asked me a piece of what? Give me I said, ' Give me one piece of advice. He said, ' Okay, whether it's business or politics, this is going to go to your story. He said, every time you meet somebody, do this. Treat them like there's an election tomorrow and you're running and they're voting. Treat everybody like that. He says, I call that one at a time. So what you saw that day was Bill Clinton one at a time. >> Gotta give him respect for that. >> Yes. >> I mean I mean uh now what would you say about his wife Hillary? The the >> well the relationship with her versus the relationship with Bill. >> My relationship with Hillary. Well look I mean you know >> uh much closer to Bill. Got it. >> Much closer to Bill. But look I you know I've known him forever and ever. I mean listen when he was president I was at the White House all the time. I was at the best dinners. I was up in the, you know, I mean, I had the time of my life. And mean during the pandemic, you know, we were like pin pals and on the phone at night because everybody was holed up. He's been so good to me. And and the interesting thing about it, my Republican friends, you know what they say? >> I could I now that's somebody I could still vote for, Bill Clinton. Republicans are good with Bill Clinton. >> No, this this is this is it, Rob. Good for you for finding it. >> Vinnie sent it to me. >> Oh, press play. Yeah, this was >> I went to a bowling alley without my wife. >> There you go. >> Look at that thing. >> It was a fish shirt and a Ukraine. >> You can pause it right there. He literally stayed like that, John. >> That's Look, that's one at a time. That's what I just said. >> Yeah. No, he's phenomenal in that area. I read a story one time about when he first ran for office, he had 20,000. Now, this is a second third story to me, so it's not direct from uh uh him. is he had 20,000 names that he had collected over the years. He sent cards to all of them saying he would like their support to run for office. And then boom, he goes and beats senior. Uh is he after senior? Yeah, he beat senior because Roso pro George was senior himself and Ros Perau and that debate the way he handled that debate with the lady African-American lady asked the question. So, how does the national debt affect how does it affect you? He crosses his arms and he listens to her and he goes into his message that he gives. The guy is the guy is very, >> by the way, when he left office, that's the last time we had a balanced budget and a surplus. >> Mhm. >> He used to say this when we go to do speeches, he'd say, "Vote for a Democrat and live like a Republican." That's a Harry Truman quote. But that's he was >> What does that mean? What? What? >> Well, his deal was this. Everybody thinks you got to that prosperity comes through the Republican party. His Harry Truman's point was this. When you look at big hunks [snorts] of America where prosperity was really pretty good, Bill Clinton's eight years wasn't bad. >> No. But Bill Clinton today wouldn't be a today's Democrat. >> No. >> You know that. >> No. No. When when Hillary was running, when Hillary was running, I was like going crazy because I'm like, "What are you doing? You got to fight this this this whole socialist movement." So, I called Robbie Muk up. I said, "Robbie, we got you got to hit back on socialism." >> And he said, they're getting ready to do the the caucuses in Iowa. He says, "John, the De Mo register that has that 43% of all caucusgoers identify themselves as socialist." >> Wow. >> And so I said, "Well, for forget I called." >> But no, he wouldn't he he he would have trouble >> uh navigating inside of the Democratic party today because >> he'd be a Republican today. >> Well, look, I'm not a Republican, but I'm not a Democrat anymore. when when they put the democratic socialist at the end of democratic because I'm a democ I was a democratic capitalist and to me socialism is is the opposite of why we're great >> why why were you a democrat when you were a democrat why were you one >> I was a democrat probably um probably because I was a trial lawyer because you know it was in the back in the Hey, I mean, Republicans just want it. Now, look, now when we do juries, we pick juries, we want MAGA. We want MAGA jurors. >> They're mad. They're angry. They they they're ready to they're ready to punish the man. And it used to be, you know, cuz now there's there's basically four parties. Yeah. And >> accountability like from a standpoint of accountability. >> Yes. Because they're they're not a lot of MAGA are not They're not rhinos. >> No, for sure they're not rhinos. >> They're not rhinos. Can't stand rhinos. They can't stand rhinos. I don't know. What? What are you? >> I I've voted for Trump twice, three times. >> But are you full mag or you >> No, I'm I I would say I am a uh I'm a conservative capitalist. >> That's me. >> That's That's what I am. But I also have some uh independent ideologies as well. >> Yeah. Like, look, I I I'm pro I'm uh pro-choice, but I'm not a socialist. I I mean, I really believe there's a place in the middle for people like you. Look, in this state, I ran two constitutional amendments. One to legalize medical marijuana and two to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. And everybody's like, "You're not because you had to get 60% of the vote." And everybody said, 'Well, you're never going to get it. You know, you're a romantic. One guy told me, the guy that started progressive, >> I lost the marijuana the first time, but then I came back and did in a presidential year and passed it with 73%. >> Minimum wage was a harder lift for me because that's a harder issue. And I did it, I phased it over time, and everybody said there is no chance in hell of this happening. And I passed that with 63% of the vote. Here's what those two ballot initiatives told me. >> Most of us agree on most things >> when you take the D and the R down. >> Just, you know, hey, legal marijuana. I mean, >> true. >> Yeah. >> Very true. >> Yeah. So, I think that, you know, what we really need in America, and I don't know if it'll ever happen, is we need a third party because nobody's compromising on either side. >> Yeah. >> The thing about a third party, if you had a third party, they could be kind of the we'll go this way this time, we'll go that way this time. But, you know, this two-party system is so tough in America. >> You think if Trump ran as an independent, he could have won? >> No. You need the apparatus. You need the RNC. Look, Trump. >> So, so then, so then, forgive me for interrupting. So then what you're saying is >> you have to choose one of the parties. If you ran as an independent, you won't be able to win because you have to choose one of the parties is what you're saying. >> I think so. Unless you're a very special person, unless you're very unique, like I believe Mark Cuban, not on a national level, but maybe in a state level. I believe like look once upon a time Jesse Ventur the wrestler became the governor of Minnesota. So it can happen but you need like could Arnold Schwarzenegger done it as an independent maybe that apparatus when you know look remember when >> Mitt Romney said 47% well and screwed himself by saying that >> the recording was leaked the door was slightly open >> but the point is this no matter who's running 4747 it's a jump by it's the 6% decide I'd like to make that 6% bigger if I could if >> I think it got bigger >> it got bigger >> in the last five years. >> I asked Clinton one time, I said, "Do you think you would have won?" He takes very, he takes offense to this, by the way. "Do you think you would have won if Ross Perau had not been in that the election you talked about?" >> Well, what a question. >> Oh, yeah. >> Great question. >> Oh, yeah. You know what he said? Yes, he would have still won. Really? What's his argument? >> I forget cuz I wasn't buying it. [laughter] >> I mean, Perau got like 18%. >> He did. Yeah, he play. And by the way, you know, in uh uh Senior's documentary that they did, Rob, what senior? Is it called 41? There was a documentary about George Bush Senior. Uh uh I think it's called 41. Is it called 41? Yeah, it's called Bush 41. >> Do you know uh and try to find this, Rob, a question is asked at the end of the documentary about Ros Perau. Have you seen how he answers it? >> No. >> Oh, you have to see this now that you brought this up. If you can find the ending, just type in Bush 41. >> You're you're encyclopedic, dude. >> Well, no, I'm I'm interested in this a lot. If you type in Bush 41 documentary, just type in documentary right there. If you see this, do you see where's that in the documentary? Oh man, I wish we could find it. So, at the end of the documentary, >> text to me, so I'll text it to Clinton in Jamaica. >> Well, I'm going to text it to you right afterwards. Just I'll find it. I'll text it to you. Okay. But when you see it, they ask him about Ros Pro at the end of the documentary. And Rob, maybe try to do it on Chad GBT or something and see if you we'll find where it's at. They ask him and he snaps at the report at at the person doing the documentary. So, I don't want to talk about Ross. I don't want to talk about that. I don't want to talk about him. He was furious. They stopped the interview. >> Wow. It was the only time in the documentary that he got upset because to him he believes he would have won if it wasn't for Ros being in there. Now, obviously, Bill Bill disagrees. I'd love to see what I'd love to see. You know, >> I can't even remember how he cuz he he'll explain when he answers, he then explained. So, he did explain it to me. I forget exactly what he said, but I kind of tuned out once he said I I would have won. >> Who Who have you given the most to over the years? You've given to a lot of people, presidents. who have you give I think you were one of the bigger donors for Obama so you got Obama Clinton Hillary >> Biden I Biden was on life support and when he was you know there was really they couldn't even get anybody to go on the record for him and uh so I helped Biden a great deal and uh uh you know they've all been to my house they've all been to my house at a certain point the the politician I was closest to the politician that I chummed around with was Teddy Kennedy and that was my guy. You know, we're just these these in my bedroom at my house, I call it the Teddy Kennedy suite because that's where he would stay. And when he'd come down here or down, you know, up to Palm Beach, I we were just bonded. >> Why? >> I just think we were these two Irishman that clicked. We just clicked and uh he'd call me and just shoot the breeze. my son worked for my son worked for him one summer uh in DC and uh I called my son. I said, "How you doing?" He's fine. He was 18. I said, "Where are you in the office?" I said, "Uh, is Senator Kennedy there?" He says, "I think so." I go, "Mike, for God's sake, I mean, he's either there or he's not there. What What kind of answer is that?" He goes, "Well, I can smell cigar smoke." Got it. >> I go, "Mike, you can't smoke cigars in a federal building." He said, "Daddy, who's going to tell Teddy Kennedy to put out the cigar?" >> He was in 43, what was it now? 41 years. I don't know how long he was in there. He was in there for a minute. >> When he had his final birthday party, when he had his final birthday party uh at the Kennedy Center, I picked Bobby up at the airport. Bobby and I went and picked Ethel up and he had me seated in the box right next to him. >> Oh, Bobby Junior. Bobby Kennedy Jr. >> Yeah. He was in my firm before he went to the to the cabinet. >> Oh, >> RFK Jr. Yeah. >> See, he was in your firm, environmental lawyer. What What What did he do for you? >> He um big mass tors, you know, gas spills, oil spills, the Palestinian the Palestine East Palestine train case. >> How good of a lawyer was he when you had him? >> Well, there's three types of lawyers. There's finders, minders, and grinders. Bobb's a finder. You do a I do a town hall with Bobby Kennedy in East Palestine, which was interesting because that's Trump country. And this was before, you know, we sent Bobby to do a town hall in East Palestine. We signed up all the cases. >> Bobby's a pied piper now. He's very, very smart, but you know, and he's very good in trial, but you don't want Bobby doing the the nitty-gritty, the discovery, cuz he he tends to wander. That's the grinder. >> That's the grinder. >> So he said finder, minder, grinder. >> Yes. >> What's the middle one? >> The finder is the person who brings the the the the minder oversees >> the grinders. >> Like a project manager. Yes. Oh, okay. Got it. So the grinder does the due diligence, the research, the calling, the finding out what's going on. What do you know about this? What do you know about that? >> The grinder oversees them. >> What's the most important? >> Well, there there's no food without the hunt. You got to >> So the finder makes the most money. >> Yeah. >> Got it. >> Bobby when Bobby, you know, we had to do a lot of disclosures for because like the last year he was with me, he made 10 million bucks. >> Bobby made 10 million with you last year. >> His last year with me. >> Great. What year was What year was that? >> Uh it was uh it was right before. >> Wow. >> Uh don't hold me that exact number because it all >> But still he made multi figures. it it's in this when he got when he got confirmed it was I had to I had to file and he also had to >> you know he because he was owed money on other cases but he had to not take that once he took this position. So uh >> really you can't even take the payments for old work you did >> I just I just signed the document I did what he what a weird law like I closed the deal >> and there's more work coming in I can't get paid for work that I did when I wasn't a public servant. I agree. I said, Bobby, I reluctantly agree. [laughter] >> Listen, we will gladly follow wish. [laughter] We got to be ethical. >> Honey, we saved $2.8 million stays in the house. >> We going we going to have a big Christmas now. Bobby got confirmed [clears throat] and I saved [laughter] a lot of money. >> That is so funny. So, how about on the Republican side? Who were you close with on the Republican side? >> Well, I'm close with everybody. Listen, Danny Perez from Miami, the speaker, having lunch with him Monday. I'm very close with Wilton Simpson, the who was the president of the Florida Senate. Uh Wilton's the agriculture commissioner. Now, I'm his personal lawyer. I do I did all the votes the the the voting stuff for him when he was Senate President. I'm I became close with Jeb later in life. I'm an I'm an investor in Jeb's uh fund. Uh, but I wasn't a Jeb guy when Jeb was because Jeb was a big tort reformer back in the day. Uh, I'm very close with uh I'm having a fundraiser in a couple of days for the the incoming speaker and uh who else am I? I mean, look, Pam Bondi was, you know, dated a guy in my firm. I mean, we partied like rock stars together >> with Pam Bond. >> Oh, hell yeah. Gasparella. We can't even talk about it. We can't even talk. We can't even talk about it. But but we loved her and she's very was very good to my kids and my daughter had a store, Violet Clover, and Pam would come over and and buy stuff. She dated a guy in my firm named Billy Howard. They were they were just they loved each other, but they were always in fight. Billy drank too much. And you know, Pam would call me, "Billy, you got to get you got to I finally intervene." Pam called me one night. He said, "John Billy was laying in the street in Eore last night. [laughter] We couldn't The cops had to pull him in. I took I went over after Pam called me. I went over and intervened Billy." I said, "Dude, look, you know, cuz I drank too much myself." So, it was like, you know, I said, "Look, I know I shouldn't be the guy intervening, [laughter] but you're gonna effing kill yourself." And he says, "What do you want me to do?" And I said, "Uh, I want you to go to AA meeting 90 days every day for 90 days." And I said, 'But I don't care if you do. I'm just telling you what I think you should do. Billy Howard has been He had one relapse. He went to Vegas once and fell off fell off the he had a little interruption. >> One is not bad. >> One is not bad, but he had, you know, he had to get a new chip, >> right? >> But um Pam Bond's call to me saved Billy Howard's life. >> Wow. And I think to this day, she's got boyfriends and stuff, but I think to this day she loves Billy Howard. Pam, if you're watching, I I I mean it. >> Is she married today? >> She's got a boyfriend. >> Oh, she's got a boyfriend, but she loves Billy Howard, >> I think. So, >> is Billy still with us? >> Billy's still with us. Okay. Billy's thriving. >> Is he really? >> And he's he's a baseball coach. He's Okay, good. >> Billy's thriving. And good for Billy. And he and he still, you know, he told me that he was at Walgreens a few months ago and he ran into Pam over in Tampa. But look, back in the day when when Pam was a state attorney, uh, you know, she was a trial at University of Florida, you know, during those days. So, she's hot. And, uh, but her and my children were all close. She was very close with my family. So, I've known her, you know, way back. As a matter of fact, when she was running for attorney general, I had a guy working in my firm who who Charlie Chris picked as lieutenant governor, Jeff Codamp, and Jeff was saying some stuff about Pam that was not necessarily true. And Pam called me hysterical and was like, you know, and I went publicly and and and said, "No, this did not happen." And I I had to refute Jeff who was a Morgan and Morgan lawyer and but I said no that did not happen. >> Did you call Jeff and tell him what he said? He goes, you know, he said something like and I love Jeff. He's from Kentucky like me. We follow Kentucky basketball. You got the Kentucky blue on. But I said, Jeff, he said something to me is John, this is a blood sport. I go, well, I ain't [ __ ] lying. And Pam called me from a hotel room in Jacksonville, Florida, and and I stomped it out. And uh Jeff lost and Pam became attorney general. >> Wow. Wow. Well, I mean Pam is one I've met her once at the inauguration. Beautiful. And uh she's got a tough job right now. She's getting a lot of heat right now with the handling of Epstein and what happened with that. They had a victory yesterday. What was the thing that they got right yesterday, Rob? It's >> the pipe bomber. The >> pipe bomber that came back that it was >> Yeah, I saw her on the national news last night. She was announcing with cash. She was with Cash and and a couple other guys that were there together. Did you ever do anything with Epste? Did you ever run into Epste or? >> Hell no. >> Okay, >> but you [clears throat] know, >> she's dealing with that. >> Listen here. Here's what we know. >> Trump's commerce secretary, I don't know if he went off script and said, he goes, "Look, Jeffrey Epstein is a black mailer. What was his talent?" >> Really? >> Video, >> right? >> Video leverage. that guy that that owns the limited and all and Victoria Secret. What what did Jeff Epstein bring to him? What? >> Lex Lex Wexner. It's Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Gave him a 77,000 largest private residence in New York. >> What? Larry Summer >> 54,000. I'm sorry. It's a $77 million property. >> But Howard Lutnik said it and he was right. Jeffrey Epstein was a black mailer and you know no telling what he had on all these people. I think Bill Gates got divorced. I think Melinda Gates I don't know this so don't >> Well, she said it don't in the interview. I'm sure you've seen the interview. >> I've seen it. So I don't want to be sued for slander. >> Well, I know a good law firm if you're looking for >> Yeah, we know how to do slander. But Bill Gates, you know, Bill Gates loves women. Bill Gates, you ready for this? You ready for a little fun fact? When Bill Gates married Melinda Gates in his prenup, we'll go back to the beginning. That he could go off for one week a year with his old girlfriend. Stop it. >> Yes. Google that, Vinnie. Stop. >> Yes. Yes. Google that, Vinnie. [laughter] >> Wow. >> How would you How would that go over at home with mama? >> Babe, if you're watching, babe, you [laughter] know. No, we didn't have that in our in our prenup. >> Yeah. I can go off one week a year in perpetuity with my old girlfriend. >> Why would she agree to that >> money? Melinda Gates, when you read their story, he she was acting like she met him in the parking lot and didn't know who he was and she worked at Microsoft. I mean, no, no, I don't believe you, Melinda. I believe that you parked next to him on purpose. [snorts] And she dated Bo Wrigley at Duke. I mean, she's looking I mean, there's people that are looking for money. >> So, you think she was she was a gold digger? >> I think so. >> Wow. Yeah. 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We had a verdict against Google a couple of weeks ago uh in San Francisco. So, we got a $500 million verdict, but the lawyer we tried it with was David Boyce. And Boyce is rep Boyce, David Boyce, Boyce Schiller. He's representing the girl who just committed suicide. So, Boyce has a lot of those cases. Um, uh, but I did not get any of the cases and I never knew Jeffrey Epstein. >> Got it. >> And by the way, Bill Clinton was never on the island. >> He told you this >> many times. He was never on the island. He's on the flight lock though, isn't it? He's on Listen, there he was on the planes, >> but never went to the island. >> Never. >> He is like the main name that gets dropped with the picture. So, I will tell you one thing. What? >> He's a main name, but Trump's a main name, too. And Trump says he was never on the island. So, there there's two main names that people want. Trump, Clinton, Trump, Clinton, Trump, Clinton. And that's what that's what gets clicks. >> Yeah. But there's a big difference. and I'll tell you what the big difference is. >> Okay, here we go. >> So, I had Michael Wolf on. I don't know if you know who Michael Wolf is. You know who he is. Okay, >> so I had Michael Wolf on and we're sitting having a conversation together and we've talked on the phone many times. >> And I said, "Okay, so what was it like?" He said, "He cuz he has a 100 hours of recorded conversation with Epstein at his place at the property that Wexner gifted him." I said, "Okay." I said, "Is there a um painting of President Clinton with a blue dress on?" >> Yeah. >> I asked him that question. He says, "Yeah, there is." I said, "Really?" "Yeah, in Epstein sweet." Yeah, there is. Yeah. Where? Right next to the bathroom. Why would there be a painting of the president with a dress on in his uh in his place? He said, "I don't know." I said, "I don't know." >> Well, you saw the painting. It's like a It's a It's a joke. I mean, he's in a dress and pearl >> the one right there. >> But yeah, there he is. But you know, look what Epstein, he sold himself as an influencer that he can connect you and I know Clinton and I know Trump and I know the prince and I know Larry Sumner and and he did all this and then he got some of them in his web and I believe that Howard Lutnik or whatever his damn name is is correct. >> Jeffrey Epstein. What? Look what he Look, this guy was like a teacher, >> math teacher. >> A math teacher in some [ __ ] school that he got fired in in New York City. >> Yeah. >> I mean, this was no tax whiz. >> You think he was part of the MSAD? You think he was like a the MSAD? >> Yeah. Intel? >> No, I just think he was I think he was a lone wolf that just got out there. >> You think he sold intel to CIA and to MSAD and others? Well, I think anything's possible with that guy, but it I don't even know how he made so much money. And how did he make the ask from Lexi Lesie Wexner because it wasn't just the house the guy gave him. >> Do you ever do any kind of things with Leon Black? >> No, but uh you know, we won't hear from him much. I mean, his brother-in-law, Tony Resler, uh uh who has his own company, uh I I met him at Grant Hills. Uh he's his brother-in-law. I met Tony at Grant Hills NBA uh Hall of Fame induction, but no, I've I mean, I've never done anything with Leon Black. Well, >> Tony Wrestler, the brother-in-law, and his son. Tony Wesler's son's very good friends with my son Dan, who you met. >> Got it. Got it. The guy with the nice uh sports coat that he has. He doesn't wear the royal >> the zoot suit. I call it >> suit. Yeah. So when when you hear the stories about him when he says >> he paid $170 million of consulting to Epstein, I've never heard of I mean have you you you've you've done tens of billions of dollars of engagements, right? Have you ever had a client pay you guys $170 million in legal fees? >> Not voluntarily. >> Not voluntarily. Okay, that's a different story. >> I settle I settle the I settled the Hawaiian fire case for 400 for four billion this year. >> 4 billion. So, I've had some big fees, but no, look, 170. Just think about that. 170. I mean, look, I had a my mentor in life was a guy named Bill Dmitri, this guy, Lebanese guy, and he said something to me one time that, you know, people think and he said to me, remember this, John, if money will solve a problem, solve the problem. So look, Epstein goes with this blackmail to whoever and says yes or no >> and then they say if money will solve a problem I got to solve this problem cuz I don't care what Epstein ain't worth >> $170 million. >> He ain't worth $17. [laughter] But if you got a bunch of pictures with people pissing on you, nude and orgies, you and you got billions and billions and you and and and and think of what he could have lost when he was paying it. What if what if he had let it out at that point in time? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Now, the real question is, would Epste have ever really pulled the trigger with his blackmail if that's what it was? Well, maybe Gelain has it somewhere and she's got a dead man switch and that's why she's safe. >> Gelain has everything. Yeah, she has everything. >> I wonder who has it or what lawyer has it? How do you do that? If she does if she does have it, does she call does she tell three lawyers that pays each a certain amount of money to keep that if something ever happens to me, leak it? How how do how do you do that if you have that kind of information? Well, she's got two brothers that I guarantee you if she's going to tell anybody, she's going to tell them. >> But look, she's out. She's in Texas now. She's got, you know, better better setup. >> I mean, look, if she was compelled and we shot her up with sodium penithol, >> there'd be a lot of powerful people go down because she was there for everything. She was the madam. She was the madam. She was the recruiter. She had a deep crush on this guy and she would she did everything. She is the deep throat of the Epstein saga >> and no >> probably both meanings. I mean if you like Yeah. the Watergate, you know, possibly because she seems talented. Yeah. [clears throat] >> You you hear stuff. There's one of the documentaries you're watching about a girl that said we they went there to buy purses. They bought a bunch of stuff from her and then they invite her back up to one of the penthouse places that they had. And so she says, "Yeah, I'll come back." She goes upstairs. Epstein comes back in a robe. They're sitting in on the couch. Epstein and Gelain take their clothes off. They start making out. They start fooling around. And then they look at her and they get her involved. She's like, "I didn't even know what the hell was going on." What they did, the the stories you hear, >> the thing I just read recently, which was kind of gross, is that his penis was the shape of a lemon. >> What does that even look like? Penis shape of a lemon. >> I don't like it. I don't want it. >> What? Listen, [laughter] shape of a lemon. >> I It was like small. >> Oh, that's what they're saying. >> You know, Howard Stern said one time his penis was so small it looked like an elevator button. But [laughter] But I don't know if that's I don't know if that's a li I don't know if that's a limit or not. Who said who said the lemon? Because I saw I saw it on New York Post. Who said he had the size of a lemon? >> Everybody the the girls that were with him, the the the girls. >> He had a size of a lemon penis. >> Yeah. But small. >> So what do you >> might have been a might have been a kumquat. >> So So maybe when he was born, his parents didn't know if he was a boy or a girl yet. Took like about a year or something to find out. It's like, baby, maybe this is a girl we just had here. >> Rob, you're not going to go any lower, are you? >> No. That's Is that what I think it is? >> No, it's the New York Post. I just don't know what the photo is. I'll tell you. >> Okay. Well, have them not show it and go a little bit lower. >> Oh, I see what you're doing. >> He's got an elevator button. It looks like >> he's got an elevator button. >> I tell that guy on the left, I want to be him. [laughter] I mean, who I mean, that guy needs a [ __ ] holster. [laughter] God, he if I was him, I'd have stripped the damn underwear off for that photo. >> John Rob, see who who's the guy on the left? [laughter] >> Let's give him some break. >> He's going to get a lot of calls on this. >> He's gonna get a lot of calls, [laughter] honey. Uh John Morgan's talking about your dangling and he was actually very complimentary. No way, babe. >> You're schlong. >> You're schlong. [laughter] What [snorts] What was your uh uh what's your relation because you've been complimentary of Trump a little bit lately. What's your relationship with him? >> Zero. I met him a couple of times at Mara Lago. Uh I think he's a genius. The way he's been able to cobble this whole consortium that, you know, that reelected him with a by a landslide. And uh he's I mean, you know, people, you know, he says he's a stable genius. He is a genius at what he's been able to do with the the Christian right, the Proud Boys, the Wall Street people. I mean, so uh and look what happened with Trump was America had gone so far left, it was going off the cliff. You know, there was reverse discrimination. Mhm. >> And I said this to people, they like, "What are you talking about?" I said, "This election, this is a race war." >> A lot of the MAGA people are like, you know, and now I've got I've got two class actions for reverse discrimination because what happened? They went so far to the left with DEI and, you know, inappropriate comments and just so far to the left that it was a correction. Woke defund the police. It's like they did everything they could to lose. Who says defund the police? What would be one thing you would not want to 411 or 911 to go away if I if I mean I'll take my trash to the dumpster myself before I give up 911. That's right. Right. >> But it's like who are these people who are telling them to defund the police. So they went so far >> and that had to be corrected >> that there had to be a reset. M >> you know that I mean Gavin Newsome was like we're going to give we give everybody $350,000 in reparations and Trump understood that the majority of America was not for that >> and he and every time he would do something everybody that's it. I mean when when he went after John McCain like okay that's it. He's that's he's done. >> Yeah. >> Stronger >> comments about Mexicans he's done. comments about Muslims. Yeah. >> And you're like, you know, he's the guy. He's the he's you know, everybody's got a crazy uncle at the dinner table that just says [ __ ] Yeah. Like I just make Vietnam a rice patty. He's the president now. >> And guess what? And guess what? Here's the thing about it. Like Venezuela, they know not only is he'll do it and is doing it. Mhm. >> So there had to be a reset in this country. >> Do you feel confident with him as a president right now both economically uh on running a business as well as America being safer? >> Well, I'm I feel like this he look and the records will reflect I did not vote in the presidential election >> this year 24. >> Did not. >> So you didn't vote for Kamla? >> No. Hell no. You You're not a Kamla fan. >> She >> She called herself the greatest candidate they've had in a long time. >> Guess what her slogan was? >> What's that? >> For the people. No. When they when when he got out of the race and I said, "Look, I'd already raised 800,000 for the re-elect and I said, "Can I have it back? >> Can you ask for it back?" >> I did just cuz I was pissed. And and then I said and I tweeted when it happened cuz then Joe Biden said, "Okay, it's going to be Kamla." And I said I tweeted it. Joe Biden just said, "Fuck you." to the Democratic party. >> Wow. >> Because it was for as soon as that happened, I knew the election was over. I knew it was over. I've been around her. Very annoying. Uh if you look at the debate up in Iowa the first time, I mean it's almost like is she on a you know is she on something? It's like what is it? In the primary when she first ran, she didn't get eight she got 8% of the vote in California and then we they made her the nominee. >> So I I'm a big anti-comla >> uh person, >> but I was so invested. I've been with Biden since forever and ever. I mean, I've been riding with Biden for a long time, and I really thought that he would be the bridge and that would be that. But as time has gone on, like Ronald Reagan said, I didn't leave the Republican party. The Republican party left me. I understand why the socialism is on the rise because affordability is an issue. And the one thing that people might disagree with me is I believe that the solution for affordability is a higher wage. And that's why I spent 10 or $15 million to raise a minimum wage in Florida. Think about this. The federal minimum wage is $8 an hour. How >> is it 720 or they raise it to eight? >> Whatever. I mean it it's >> What is the federal minimum wage? I think it's 720. >> I think it's eight, but I don't know. >> You may be right. You would know better than I would. >> I don't know cuz >> Oh, okay. It's 725. All right. I said, "Listen, dude. I said you were encyclopedic. I didn't realize baseball, minimum wage, lemon dicks, [laughter] >> you know, you whatever. >> I'm a Renaissance." >> Yeah. Bohem, you know. >> Yeah. That last one threw me off, but all the other ones I would take. >> But yeah, so u that's the issue of the day and and it applies >> affordability, minimum wage. >> It that's [clears throat] what that's what we need. And look, >> how do you fix it though? So you you raise So what do you do? Even if we take the federal minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour, raise it to 15 bucks an hour. Who takes a hit? We don't take a hit. People in Arkansas take a hit. People in Kansas take a hit. You know, rural areas. >> Why would they take a hit? >> I mean, those small business owners, other small business owners, >> small small business owner where the cost of living is where houses sell for $140,000 or $180,000. They raise the minimum wage. That guy's like, >> "Well, look, the what what should happen?" And you're absolutely correct. >> Do you know Jose Aliva? >> He was the speaker in Florida. >> When I was going to do the minimum wage, he came to me. He said, "John, don't don't do it." And he's he's got a cigar company down in Miami. >> And Jose said, "Don't do it." He was very much against it. And I said, "Jose, I I don't want to do it as a constitutional amendment. I would rather you all do it where we could tailor it to the state where we we because there's one single subject it's very limited what you can do like I would have preferred to have a deal where you know people 18 and under could didn't have to fall into it people younger you know so what should really happen is state by state by state they should come in because look when I when I hire people to work in my in New York I mean I got offices on Wall Street a Four onebedroom studios 4,000 a month. >> That's different. I just filmed a commercial with John Daly in Arkansas a few weeks ago. Oh my god. >> I bet you guys had a lot of fun. I'd love to see what you guys did off camera. >> Oh, well, here's how it ends. Here's how it ends. So, we we're there all day with him. He's got a seltzer all day. I mean, he's just slamming them, smoking the cigarettes. We did the Yeah, there there we are. So, uh but here's the great part about John Dailyaly. So, we finished the the shoot. We're there all day and my son Matt was with me. He had to run back into this. It's John Daly's home course. It's just a [ __ ] hole in Arkansas. I told Clinton about it. He goes, "I got a lot of relatives in where wherever I was. We couldn't even fly in because the runway was too small." But John Daly, when the shoot was over, Matt went back in the clubhouse, which was kind of like, you know, a bath house. just just a you know like that pool you used to sell water in. But Matt comes out and he says he says, "Daddy," he said, "you're not going to believe it." Cuz John Daly's in the new Adam Sandler film, Happy Gilmore. He goes, he gets back in the van for us to go to the plane. He goes, "Daddy, you're not going to believe it." I go, "What?" He goes, "I just went in to get my jacket." I go, "Yeah." He goes, "John Dailyaly is sitting on a couch by himself with a bowl of potato chips watching Happy Gilmore 2 and laughing his ass off at himself." And >> I can totally visualize that. >> He was exactly >> I can see him doing that. >> Oh, exact. And you ready for this? He's got a house there. That's his but he sleeps in the trailer out in front of the house. He doesn't even go in the house to sleep. >> How entertaining is he? Incredible. Incredible. All day long. And the ad ends like this. It's we we're calling the ad the big hitters. And the ad ends like you're going to like this. The ad ends like this. It's me and my boy. All my boys were out there with me. And so it's his son. So John Daly hits a final shot. He just crushes it and he goes for and I look I go the people. And [laughter] and that's that's how the that's I like that. That's how the ad is. >> I like that a lot. Yeah. And by the way, what happened with you and the the Willie uh uh what is it? The Sweet Boat Willie. What am I saying correctly or no? Ste, can you can you pull up the Steamboat Willie commercial? I want to know what's going on with Disney. Are you suing Disney? Are they suing you? Play the clip first. >> I'll show it. Go for it. I'll tell you what I did. >> This Morgan video was not approved, authorized, or endorsed by Disney. That is so funny. This Morgan video was not approved. Authorized. >> So, here's what I want. Here's my goal with ads. >> Okay. Every ad I do, I want it to be so great that the viewer rewinds the TV to watch it again. >> We watch this already a couple times, >> right? Because when you first watch it, you're like, "Well, he's going to be sued. How the f did he get away with this?" Yeah. >> So, that's what I want. I call it purple cow. I want to have a commercial that's not a brown cow. That's a purple cow. Makes you stop. Like your guy out there showed me pictures of him >> uh doing dog doing animal. Yeah. Doing [laughter] him as a reindeer. Yeah. >> So, so when the Steamboat Willie IP ran out, so you can only have it for 50 years and then I started thinking about Steamboat Willie. That would be a Purple Cow moment commercial. Yeah. >> So, I was getting advice from all these IP people like, well, they can still sue you. You got to make sure you make a disclaimer that you know. And then they were telling me that I had to go spend like $75,000 and have a poll, have people tell me whether they thought that was approved by Disney. It was like they were just going around and around. I went around and around with these different law firms. I finally said, "Look, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to sue Disney." So, I filed for a deck action in federal court to say, "Look, Disney doesn't have the rights to this anymore. The IP has expired." And after a few months, Disney uh agreed that I could run this commercial. >> So, you won. >> I won. >> Not settled. You won. >> It's running. And guess what? They're the same people that [ __ ] with my brother Tim. >> Wow. >> When I was 19 years old. >> Wow. >> I came back. I came back. I didn't forget. [laughter] >> I'm like Trump. Retribution. When is your birthday? >> 3:31. I'll be >> He's 3:31. >> Aries. >> Yeah, Aries. Solid. I respect Aries a lot. [laughter] My dad's April 10th. I get along with all Aries. They're very reliable, dependable, and they will never forget. >> Loyal. >> Yeah, very. But my dad is also a vengeance guy. He's [laughter] also about retributes. >> And I'm also Irish, so we hold grudges. >> There you go. Well, we're Middle Eastern. All we got is grudges. >> You win. [laughter] >> All we got is >> you. You win. So, Dantis, tell me any plans of you running. Do you have any desire to run governor? Like, you've you've said stuff before just to kind of affording or if you actually wanted to run. >> Here's how I'm thinking about it. I've thought about it. I like it. I like the idea of cuz I think I could do some good. I believe that I'm not a Dantis fan. He's not a John Morgan fan. He's, you know, he was going >> Why not? What do you not like about what he's I think he's done a great job >> to reform. He what he did at property. I'm gonna tell you, and nobody's going to understand till it happens, there's going to be a hurricane. Here's how it used to work. >> Oh, you said that about Jeb Bush as well, right? About 30 minutes ago, >> he was a tort reformer in the beginning. >> So, tell me about tort reform. Maybe maybe I've only been here for four or five years. >> The insurance industry wants to collect money and never [clears throat] pay out. In Florida, the way it was before is if if the insurance company if there was a hurricane and your house got blown up. >> Yeah. and you sue and the insurance company denies the claim or try to lowball you, we would sue the insurance company. We'd go to trial and we would win or we would lose and we probably won 99% of the time. The new law that Dantis brought in was now the new law is you don't get fees, you don't get anything if you sue the insurance company and win. All you get is the amount. So, let's say that you need a h 100,000 to fix your house. So, you get awarded a h 100,000, but the lawyers got to take a piece of the h 100,000 now and you can't fix your house. So, you will we will rewind this tape one day when there's a massive hurricane because it hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened yet. But what's going to happen is there's going to be a massive hurricane. the insurance companies. Look, they are not the the agents. They're great. They're the guys slapping the backs, the people, the bean counters, they're there to screw their the other side. So, I got into it with him over the tort reform for property damage. And I think it's disastrous. And I think that one day, look, our single greatest asset for most of us is our home. her number one payment every month go is your mortgage. And what what I don't like about what happened and and look, nobody's going to know about it. It's like if there was something about Medau, you're not worried about Medau, right? Listen here. They tried to pass a bill called free kill. In Florida, the only state in the country, if a doctor kills somebody and that person that they kill don't have a spouse and have adult children 25 or older, no right to sue. You can't sue. So, the only state in the the only state can you can you look that up? >> Yeah. Look listen. >> What is it called? It's >> free kill. >> Type in uh type in free not freak. Freak kill. >> Freak kill would be Epstein. That's what he did. Is [laughter] that what he said about that free kill? >> Yeah, the empty picture popped up. >> So, Florida's free kill law provide wrongful death that prevents parents of an adult child 25 or older and children from suing for damages in case of medical negligence that lead to death. It specifically denies the right to what >> the only state in the country now what's the argument for it? There's none. Insurance donations for presidential runs and new and next. So, so think about that. >> Who does this protect the most? >> The insurance industry and the doctor. Look, here's the deal. It's the only state. Now, here's something that's more outrageous. The Florida House and the Florida Senate, all the Republicans, they voted to overturn this. The Santis vetoed it. Why? >> Why? >> Campaign contributions >> from who? >> The insurance industry. Who specifically? Who? >> You name it. I mean, >> he he's not friendly with the insurance companies, though. >> Oh, look at his campaign contributions. >> Can you look up how much money the Santis got from insurance companies for campaigns, campaign donations >> and doctors and doctors? Cuz like all of a sudden, it's called free kill for a reason. the doctors if you're if you don't if the doctor has no liability >> according to one at least investigative the Santis says affiliate political committee has taken $3.9 million contribute from insurance industry players >> got it if one include donations for January in total from insurance by the way 9.9 million >> two property casualty insurance firms donated a combined of 12 >> and we don't even know about dark money we don't know about packs we don't know what we don't know. >> Well, I I I think to me I think he let's let's put these two and I want to come to another question with you on the Santis. These two are issues that you may disagree with that he's done and free kill to me throws me off a little bit. Uh >> well, by the way, more it threw everybody off in the Florida House and the >> when did that pass? this year. He vetoed it and then they had it veto proof but he got to the Senate President who didn't who let it roll in his you know politics. The only state in the union that is very weird to have that. >> It's very bad. >> Yeah. And and so what do you think about what he's doing with >> and by the way on that property stuff I I I was saying look here's what you should do. Get rid of the AOB's assignment of benefits. Don't let the public adjusters go out and solicit. I mean, I had a lot of fixes. No, they just they because there was a guy who's going to be the president of Senate one day, Tom Leak, who works for Charlie Liecker. You know what Charlie Liecker? Insurance. Look up what Tom Leak's net worth is when Leak L E K. when he took office and what it is now. He was the ring leader of this L E K. And now he's a senator and he's going to be president of the Senate. Look at his net worth since he went to work for Charlie Lie Decker. Do you see it, Rob, or No, >> I'm looking. >> Yeah, cuz I see it on a different uh article. Um, so just under a million dollars and then it went to over $14 million. I see the article. >> Yeah, >> I see the article. So he 14,400%. >> And he's not done. He's now in the Senate. >> Interesting. Okay. So So for you now, are you are you By the way, same thing's happening with me as well on that site. I think it's a virus site, so be careful with that site. Yeah. So, uh, uh, uh, what do you think about what he just said recently about wanting to get rid of property, uh, uh, taxes and, you know, whether it's homestead, you know, focusing mainly on homestead and trying to find a way to pass the tax on tourism and people that are coming in here. How do you feel about him wanting to get rid of taxes for homeowners or homestead? >> Look, I I'd also like him to give us $5,000 a month as a stipen, too. It's a gimmick. It's a gimmick. Of course I would like it. Who wouldn't? You know what the best word in America is for marketing? Free. You know what the second best word in America is? Money. You know what the two best words together are in America? >> Free money. He's selling free money. Who can be against it? Listen, my property tax I got a bunch of houses in Florida and and Hawaii and New Hampshire. my property taxes. Nobody wants property taxes gone more than me. >> And if if there's a way to do it, I'll take the free money. I think it's a gimmick, I think. >> But what's he campaigning for? Like what's the purpose? He can't do it another term. >> He's trying to get the his lieutenant governor propped up to run for governor. Have you seen the ads they're running for that guy? That's what it's about. For a minute, everybody was thinking it was going to be Casey. >> Well, I hope Florida derailed her a little bit, >> right? So, what do you think about Byron Donald's? >> You know, I don't I know him. I don't have I'm not I don't have any know I know this. I hear from my people that Dantis cannot stand him. >> That's what I hear as well. >> So, you know, so you got that too. A lot of people, you know, when you're a governor for eight years, you don't want somebody you don't like. Look, when Rick Scott when when Rick Scott lost or left, he left town when because Charlie Chris was governor and when Charlie was no longer governor, he came to work at Morgan and Morgan. I don't know if you knew that. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah. But Rick Scott just left town, you know. So, I don't think that the Dantis can stomach the idea of Byron Donald's coming in. >> Doesn't sound like you mind that. You >> I don't I don't I'm okay. Listen, but the guy that I like the most is Wilton Simpson, the ad commissioner. He and I started a bank together over in Pasco. >> Wilton Simpson? >> Yeah. >> What's special about him? >> I believe that he cares about people. I believe he's a fiscal conservative, but I believe he's a compassionate conservative. >> And he's a Republican, apparently. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. I'm I'm his personal lawyer. >> Wow. and you'd like to see him go. >> I wouldn't be upset. >> But you have no desire yourself. >> The only reason I have it, look, when you do those campaigns, all the people in the Republic, like when I went to the White House last night, they went and sequestered me in a room and they look at this polling, this is what you could do. You know, I'm kind of a wild card >> because I've been able to be a wild card because I'm never running for so I kind of say what I think. There's things I would like to do that I think I'd be, you know, I think I'd be way more for the people than what this has been. But the problem is I'd hate to sit into uh, you know, Florida Highway Patrol budget meetings. I mean, >> I can't see you doing that. >> No, >> there's finders, there's minders, there's grinders. >> I've heard that. >> Have you heard that before? I love So, >> I'm gonna steal I'm gonna steal that. >> Steal. >> I'm gonna steal that, man. >> You know what I call it? I call it generator closer builder. There's sales guys that know how to prospect. There's those who know how to close and there's those who know how to build great relationship to get more referrals. >> You sound like an insurance guy to me. >> I sound like a sales guy. I've been a sales guy my entire life. That's what I know how to do. >> Sell Hey, sell the sizzle, not the steak. >> That's right. So, would you consider yourself more a lawyer, a businessman, or a sales guy? Marketing guy. Which one do you rank those? Businessman, lawyer, marketer? business. >> Number one is business. What's two? >> Marketing. >> And then last is lo. >> I play a lawyer on TV. [laughter] >> But but yeah, but I I like the marketing aspect. Look, but I'm in other Listen, >> I owned a billboard company. I built shopping centers. I have Marriott hotels. So, I'm a guy. Here's the thing about me. I don't hunt. I don't fish. I don't understand going out and catch and release and ripping a fishes. I don't. But my son fishes all the time and and I don't go really golf. So those three things are big big business big waste of time to me. I don't hunt. I don't fish. I don't play golf. I hunt and fish money. And so I got a lot of free time. So, like when I started building my attractions, I built these attractions, these upside down houses all over America. It's like, hey, I got some time. I'm not I'm not It's called Wonderworks. I'm not hunting. I'm not fishing. I'm not golfing. I'm going to go build this business. And that's my recreation. >> I've seen these. This is you. >> Those are me. >> I've seen these all over the place. >> And then I got another one called Alcatraz East. Hey, I have a I have a place I built called Alcatraz East, the history of crime and punishment. The grand finale is Ted Bundy's VW. Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah. Bonnie and Clyde death car. There's John Dillinger's sedan up there in the left. And if you keep going, I got OJ's Bronco in there. >> The Bronco. >> The Bron. There it is down there. There it is. >> This is what I asked you when I said, "What do you have that are unique stuff?" You got some This is This is >> Listen, you know what I just bought? I just bought the the Murdoch's the golf cart from Murdoch and I got John Bernay's uh bicycle. This place prints money. America's fascinated with crime and punishment. Fascinated movies, TV, CSI, look at it all. So I go, "What if?" And one day I go to Alcatraz in San Francisco and there's like there's no tickets. I said, "Why? Two weeks out?" I go, "Two weeks out." I pull out a couple $100 bills. I said, "Are you sure?" No. Come on. So a $100 will solve any problem in America usually. [laughter] And >> Jerry L. You know, if you go to a strip club with a $100 bill on your head, you'll see that. But so I go this. So again, through Alcatraz, I was fascinated with I keep thinking about it. What if there was an attraction that was the history of crime and punishment? >> And so I came back and I started working on it and then I built it. >> Where is this at? Is this in Orlando or >> Pigeon Forge, Tennessee? I got I got a Wonder Works. Here's what I got in Pigeon Forge. I got Alcatraz East, I got Wonderworks, and then I got another the my latest concept there is called Downtown Flavor Town with Guy Fietti. Just think about this. Uh just think about this. Uh Guy Fiieti meets Dave Busters. So, I've got this huge >> The guy >> the guy >> he just had a big accident. >> How's he doing? >> Bad. It's a bad injury. He's I told him I said we may you name may need me but uh so it's it's it's it's an arcade with his food and it's right behind my uh Alcatraz East. >> I hear he is like the biggest personality like larger than life and >> he calls California he you know he bought a place down in Palm Beach. I said why are you moving there? He said I got to get the hell out of he called it >> California. >> He called it California. >> Yeah. So he bought a place south of in Palm Beach. >> No, he's a character. >> Oh, >> he's a character. >> He is a big personality. >> By the way, when you said Biden, I remember one time I was looking at this house in uh uh uh Harbor Beach, Fort Lauderdale, and the house was on the market for 99 million bucks or 98 million bucks. And I go inside the house. I think the house just sold for like $67 million bucks. It just closed for $67 million. And it was on Harbor Beach. Beautiful home. The guy bought five lots, turned it into his house. And yeah, that's the one. 70 million. That's the one that sold for. Uh uh I think that's the one if you That's exactly the one. 67 million bucks is what it Yeah, 70 million bucks that it sold. >> Okay. >> And it was uh they're showing me all the rooms. Beautiful place. Out of control. Just gorgeous. And I go into the master bedroom. I'm like, "Oh, it's nice. It's an American flag. Big American flag." Well, it was the American flag from inauguration when Joe Biden won. >> Oh, >> and it was D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D the one that was given to him and it was a a guy, I believe Susman Susman, am I saying it correctly? >> I know him. >> Yeah, he was a a big uh uh big donor to to Biden as well. >> Got a place in Portugal. >> He does have a place in Portugal. What made Biden so appealing for you to get behind him? for me. >> Yeah. >> Because look, Joe Biden was a guy who went home every night on a train to his family. Everybody else is leading a double life in DC. I liked his character. I liked the way that he loved his family. Joe Biden to me was kind of a Clinton. Listen, Joe Biden was friends. I mean, he got in trouble for talking about, you know, being friends with some Republicans. I mean, you know, just for that. He was kind of in the middle. What made him appealing to me was I thought he had a compassionate heart. Uh he was a centrist, but his character when when we first talked about running for president, I was talking to him and [snorts] he was I said, "Where are you?" So, I'm looking at the battoic and we started talking about Bo and he started crying. It was, you know, real real crying and I felt that pain and I felt and I heard his pain and I thought to myself, this is a guy that could feel America's pain. That's who I want. I want somebody who's going to feel our pain, not the richest people's pain. Because when you grow up like I did, you were never, you know, you were the guy that was desperate. And I want somebody that's going to be for me. I want to do the most for the most with the least, but within the confines of a capitalistic u government. >> How how do you think he did as a president? Because a lot of times, you know, they'll say Jimmy Carter was a good man, but a horrible president, right? You'll hear that sometimes being dropped as he he was not one of the better presidents we had the last 60 years, 70 years. >> Well, what he did was what happened is this. His staff took over. His staff took over >> by staff. >> The donors. He look, they asked me recently, "How do you think he's going to do on his presidential library?" You know, my answer was he'll be lucky to build a [ __ ] bookmobile. There ain't going to be no library of any consequence. Why? Because I don't want I was getting ready to say something. I'm not going to say, but his staff would not call big people back. Chris Dodd. Chris Dodd was Biden's best friend. He couldn't get him on the phone. He couldn't get him on the phone. >> Who protected that though? Was it his chief of staff? Like, was he >> Well, it was Anita Dunn. It was not Yeah, it was his It was his chief of staff. It was Ron Clay who who insisted on Kamla. It was Steve Rashetti. It was Anita Dunn who was moving in and out of politics and going to SD Nickerbacher. And the reason he's not going to be able is the reason it's a tragedy is and then he became he had that blind spot for Hunter, you know, he had that blind spot for Hunter, which you know, cuz look, I I'm me and him are Irish. We have this thing about our children, but look, Hunter is is just just a despicable character. >> His son, >> Hunter Biden. Yeah. >> Yeah, I think so. But his deep love for Hunter B. He's I shouldn't say despicable. He's an addict. He He's He's the Skidro addict. I mean, if his dad wasn't president, he'd be a Bowerery guy. you know, they, you know, things that they were doing that were pissing me off when he started selling paintings [snorts] for $500,000. I mean, that guy couldn't draw a damn stick, man. I, you know, and people were paying $500,000 for his paintings. It it it went off the rails. What I my hope was was that he was going to put the bring the country back to center at the end of the two years, say, "Go get it." And so, I'm I'm disappointed in that. And I think his presidency, one thing that's going to be overlooked in his presidency is is the infrastructure bill, which everybody's got a lot of opinions on the infrastructure bill, but America's infrastructure is breaking down. And I thought that was a positive thing. And I thought that would be his signature event, signature piece that we'd start getting Wi-Fi in the rural areas. We start putting bridges back. And I believe that Trump's going to benefit from the lift from the infra because there's a lot that money is still going into there. Now, what else did he do? Very little. But his staff took charge and they protected him. And look, >> do you believe he signed all those? Do you think he believed approved all those pardons or you think his staff signed all the >> I think he approved them. I think he approved them. >> You think he approved all of them? Listen, I know he Listen, I have a cousin, okay, Jerry Lunderan, who went to prison and his his his daughter ran against Mitch McConnell. And Clinton went down and met with Biden to try to get a pardon for Jerry. And Jerry's a big donor. They wouldn't they didn't give Jerry a pardon. Biden was involved in the pardons. Now, all this autopin, you know, I sign auto pen every day with docu. I mean, what the [ __ ] are we talking? I mean, I don't know. >> No, I do as well. As an insurance guy, we've written a million insurance policy. So, you know, for for us, there's going to be so many things. It's like boom, boom, boom. But, uh, and I'm not talking about policies. I'm talking about, hey, cutting the check for this, cutting approval for this, cut. >> Do I do I think do I do I think the real question is, did a staff member pardon and just slide it in front of him? >> No. What I'm saying to you is the following. Obviously, he was not fully there. I mean, I watched the first debate. Jake Tapper within the first 30 seconds, I'm like, Jake knows what's going on. And Jake Tapper knows that they're >> You talking about the one where >> you see, you'll see where I'm going with this. I knew he was not in good shape when I saw it. And the world did. It's not like I'm doing anything special. Everybody saw it. But to me, for me to believe that all of those pardons he did, I have a hard time believing that. And neither do a lot of Americans, by the way. >> And listen, I with that staff, you know, I will say that and I will say the same thing about what you said. Look, I I went to the White House. I saw him. I went I saw the State of the Union. I was like, "Okay, this guy's okay. Maybe he's okay." That night, I went to the beach. I made made myself a big Makaker Mark, crushed ice, Scotsman ice. >> Good for you. >> Little splash of Coke. Emphasis on splash. I got me a I got I got me a a big Orville Red and Bacher drizzled with butter. I'm like, I'm sitting down for this. And within whatever he was looking off camera, he looked like a corpse. I texted Pelosi that right there, 10 minutes in, and I texted Nancy Pelosi and I said, "The election is over. The election is over." And it was. And and I asked uh later I asked some people I said did he ever go there for a dry run? Did he ever go and check the lights? Did who did his makeup? I mean if you remember he was looking over he wasn't looking he and you know what the answer was the first time he stood at that podium was when they wheeled his ass out on stage and then when the wife came up and said when the wife came up and said you did it you did it Joe. We're all like, "Yeah, you [ __ ] [ __ ] the bed, Joe. That's what you did." And you know, I'm close with his brother Frank, his brother Frank. You know, I I helped Frank get his prostate taken out up in Orlando last year. And but his legacy was ruined by his staff. And look, who knows you the best? I I own nursing homes in Florida. I got memory centers. When you try to get the keys away >> from somebody, it's hard to get the keys away because are they or aren't they? Are they there or not they there? What George Clooney saw, >> another Kentucky guy. I'm better looking than him. We're both from Kentucky. But >> but [snorts] George Clooney saw it. Now, we had never seen it because >> he was being guarded. And I think what happened is the psychopants around him didn't want to give up the power and the money >> and they and they and they and that's why he got sh that's why Kamla got shellacked. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's um [clears throat] this property by the way the the property I bought this 11 acres on the airport. I think the previous owner was business partners with Biden's brother. I think he got in trouble with some >> I know which the one whichever one that got in trouble is uh >> well Jim's in insurance. >> Oh, then that's the one. Jim got in trouble with >> Jim's in insurance >> with the previous owner of this place and I talked to the DOJ. I talked to the FBI. Tried took me three and a half years to be able to buy this property. I've been looking at this property for three three and a half years. >> When I landed here, I'm like the guy says we're going to go we're gonna be there in three minutes. I said we hell we just landed. All of a sudden, I'm in a car. The gates are pulling up. There's two big guys. They're like, "He want to talk to you." I'm looking out the window. What do you want to talk to me? Who are you? I said, "I'm here for the show." I mean, you got it's this is a compound. >> Yeah, it is. And that's why we wanted this. >> I mean, I was like, "Is this is the MSAD running this place?" >> Well, THAT'S WHAT I [laughter] TOLD I You know what I said to Dan? You know what I said about son? You know what I said to Dan? I said, "I feel like the msad." [laughter] I said, "I feel like the [ __ ] massage is here." I mean there I I said how are we here already? We just got off the plane. >> That joke alone, you don't even know what that joke's going to do to a crew you're cracking up because this property this was a DODCIA property >> Iran Contra the whole weapons was done from this exact smelled it didn't I said it >> good for you. I said I feel like the msad is running [laughter] security here. >> That is hilarious. That last question before >> but we but we left. I mean, we weren't we were in the car for 3 minutes and we're pulling in. >> That's what I love, though. >> I see the Hard Rock Stadium like, "Okay, well, how long away is three minutes?" Like, all of a sudden, we're coming through. I thought we were still on the tarmac, >> right? That's what I love about it. Tony Robbins comes here on the podcast. >> He lands on a helicopter, >> walks in, finish a podcast, get back on the helicopter, goes back home. That's why we love this whole concept of what we have. >> You know what they call that in real estate? >> What's that? >> Location. Location. Location. >> That's right. And I love it. Absolutely love it. Last question. >> Okay. >> Uh your wife very involved with it. By the way, is this the Ross Pro? You found it. >> I did. >> Okay. Watch this. He found the clip. Good for you, Rob. Let's just play that before I ask this last question. >> I'm going to offer Rob three times he's making here. I'm bringing this son of a [ __ ] This is >> Stay away from our team, Jeff. >> Whatever you're paying him, it's not enough. Rob, [laughter] let me handle your next contract. Your your money. So Rob, just so you know, you have John Morgan, you have a Teamster union boss, you have all these people that want to negotiate on your behalf. Go ahead, show this clip. >> Thank you. The United States of America, [cheering and applause] >> we are going to win this election. >> Can you describe the year 1992 and what that year means to you? >> That defeat to losing to Bill Clinton. Clinton did a great job of campaigning on uh that I didn't get it. that I was out of touch and all of that. I don't want to sound like I'm bashing the press, but there was almost unonymity in the press corps that I should lose and that they were for him and that makes a huge difference. >> Can you talk a little bit about Ross Perau? >> No, can't talk about him. >> He cost me the election and I don't like him other than that. I have nothing to say. >> That's harsh for George Bush because he's a kind man. I've never ever that I watched his thing 15 years whenever it came out and I remember he was not willing to talk anything about Roser. So >> still stung. >> Yeah, for sure. And by the way, I'm sure I'm sure uh Bill has seen this. >> Oh, I'm sure everything. >> Yeah, I'm sure he cuz Yeah, they those two families >> they were very close. >> I got invited to uh Jeb had a retreat at Kenny Bunkport this year and I was going to go but I had a conflict. I was I've never been there, but I was going to go up just to to see history and I'll go next year. >> Last question. You your your family, four kids, very successful financially. Nowadays, the the you see the stats of young men don't want to get married, don't want to have kids. Young men don't know what it is to be a man nowadays like they did maybe back in the days. It's a massive crisis. People on the left are talking about it. people on the right are talking about something that they're all gradually, you know, Scott Galloway the other day was being interviewed by Ben Stiller and he told Ben Stiller like, "Listen, men are not having enough sex. They're having a hard time finding girls, having a hard time making kids, having a hard time with this whole marriage thing. What advice would you give to young men that are looking for a wife?" >> Well, first of all, what you just described is what they call beta boys. You ever heard of beta boys? Of course. Absolutely. That's who they are. There are more women in dental school than men now. There are more women in law school than men now. There are more men women in medical school than men now. Women are becoming like in some animal kingdoms the women run the rule the roost >> and this whole beta boy thing is a crisis for America because you know where are the men? Mhm. >> I think in this day and time you you you know I never was around for online dating and I don't think I would want to do online dating. I like to go in and you know do it live. >> You and I both >> I don't need that. But at this day and time people's they the people aren't in bars drink. People are not drinking. You know, I own a restaurant in Disney Springs called Wine Bar George. And you know, wine sales are down. And I got one of the great ses in George Millas. If you ever go to Disney, call me and let me set up the greatest wine of your life. George Millota is like one of the top grand ses in the whole world. But wine is down, booze is down, people aren't going out. So what I would say is what I would say to people in business. There's a book called Never Eat Alone. >> And the concept of the book is if you're at home, you're not going to find business. I would give the same advice to the to my kids or to these kids. Get out. Get out. Network. Mingle. Go do something. I don't care if it's if it's your church or your temple or wherever. Get out of the house and put the damn Nintendo paddles down and quit gaming in the basement at 25 and living at mom and dad's. Get up, get out, get busy. >> As simple of as an advice as that is, John, it is so profound. As you know, to you and I, we may look at and say, "What's the big deal?" It is lifechanging for I'm in Vegas the other day. Vegas is getting destroyed because they they no longer have the traffic they had. Why? You can gamble online. You can swipe right online. You have no reason to go to Vegas when they say whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Whatever happens in Tinder stays on T. Like that. That is no longer like that complicated of a deal of what to do. But but >> but the other thing I'll tell you, interesting stat, my son just got married in Maui. Now he's he he's got off the couch. He was out. He's a mingler. But I this book I wrote that I'm that's being edited, life is luck. I did a thing about, you know, who you marry. That's a big piece of luck. 50% of Americans, you know, end up in divorce. 62% of second marriages end in divorce. 73% of third marriages in divorce. But here comes a statistic. >> Here we go. >> Whoever gets married after 30, there's only 4% get divorced. So my advice to these to these young men is [laughter] get it out of your system. Get it out of your get it out of your system >> because a lot of people get it out of their system after they've been married and that doesn't work. >> No. And you're by the way, it's crazy you say that. It's it's a lot of times because if you you're you're maybe you're not good with the girls, you get married first, then you get a lot of attention and you never played a lot. Later on, you're now getting attention. And can you find my wa Can you find my son's bride? Is it on Facebook? Anyway, he got married at 36. Uh they went to Japan for Dan Morgan and Taisa. Uh that's me. But uh but anyway, uh when they came back when they c Let me see. Is there a wedding picture? There they are. There they are. When they came back from Japan, I said, "Dan, how does it feel not to be a virgin anymore?" >> You said that, too? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Get it out of your system. >> Well, in Japan, you can, you know, my friends of mine that went to Okinawa in the military, they got it out of their system many times. They almost didn't want to leave the system in Japan. They wanted to stay there because they got treated so well. Yeah. It's it's out of control. Uh, John, I have to tell you, and I'm being very straight up, one of my favorite conversations of 2025 is you, and I'm being straight up. Really, >> Rob, how many times have you heard me say this at the end of the podcast? >> Uh, very minimum. I've been here four years. Very minimum. >> One of my favorite conversations of And I tell you, our guys are like, "Pad, we got to get John. We got to get John. I'm telling you, you guys can hit it off." Like, what are you talking about? He said, "Just trust us." And then now they were right. One of my favorite conversations of the >> Can I ask you one last course >> favor? >> Yes. >> Would you have the massage take me straight to the plane? [laughter] >> And don't and don't frisk me on the way out. >> Well, we just make that and make sure we call Adam. Adam will make one phone call to Apac and Msad and they'll take care of it. But sir, really really an honor. Really enjoyed it. Thank you so much. And by the way, go to Morgan and Morgan. 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