He Was Banned 7 Times for Saying This About Black America | PBD Podcast #816

The four different types of black Americans. I don't know if I can be uncensored. Can I be uncensored? Blacks, Negroes, [ __ ] and [ __ ] How can they get out of it if that's the case? [ __ ] club a dig deep in the ass of history to pull out an example of why they're doing bad here in the present and make that as an excuse. Why though? >> Is it because white man's the enemy? >> We exist in a current slavery, a mental slavery that is far greater and far more oppressive than we could ever imagine. >> Hey yo, man. You >> I think this comes from mainly the the 1990s with the music industry. Black people flashing a bunch of money, living a lifestyle that they'll never live and celebrating like it's a wedding. And really it is a wedding. It's a wedding to mediocrity. We also have to talk about the significant level of Jewish influence in hip-hop. They understand that there is a problem racially in this country, that there's always going to be a difference between blacks and whites. And I think historically, the last 100 years, they have used the racial conditions of this country in order to gain more and more power. Some white movies are a prime example of that. >> Why is that? Why is this so common? >> Like I said, the the government benefits. >> You think the government benefits from this? >> Oh, 1,000%. >> How? >> Rosa Parks, that was an entire event orchestrated by the NAACP. That's the original hoax, racial hoaxes. >> I wonder how serious people like you are to cause change versus actually be shock jock. >> I don't have any fear in what I'm saying because I know I'm right. >> But hear me out for a second. You're very well communicated. All we're doing is talking about the bad. >> I know that having this conversation and being aggressive and combating this culture that is destructive to our future, to our survival, it's necessary. >> Chicago >> Black people have me on because it's going to be an honest conversation about where we're going. >> Well, they'll have you on after this. >> I'm hoping that they will. >> Andre Williams, how you doing? >> I'm doing all right, Patrick. How about you? >> Very good. Thanks for coming down. I know we we saw some of your content. Uh what's it called? It's called Soft White Underbelly YouTube channel. >> Mhm. >> And you say some uh some controversial, some bold things. It may not be controversial to you, but it gets some reaction from people. >> It does. It does. >> Okay, so walk me through before we get into it and get into your story and bunch of different ideas and thoughts that you have, stories that you have. What does black fatigue mean to you? >> Well, black fatigue means to me it's a collective tiredness of the culture, the condition, the behavior of black people currently today. Uh we're seeing so much crime, so much instability. Uh we're seeing the team takeovers across the country. And mainly, we look at black fatigue. This is something that black people have to deal with at the end of the day. It affects every other community across the country, but the crime and instability, the first people that have to deal with that black people. Look at the predominantly black cities. I come from Detroit. Look at Chicago, Baltimore. Look, name any city that has a majority black population. It's aggressive to live there. And the black people who are doing well, guess what they do? They have to leave the community. They have to walk away from the community because they cannot exist in this unstable and chaotic environment. So, that's that's pretty much black fatigue to me. >> And and one of the things you normally talk about is the four different types of blacks. Maybe it's good for the audience if they have if they haven't heard it. >> [laughter] >> What what you call I can't say it. You can say >> Well, you can say it, but >> I want you to [laughter] say it. >> Anybody can say it. And I love that video. I I made that video the four different types of black Americans. Originally, I made it on TikTok. And this is on my I think my first or second TikTok. I've had seven. They've been all banned. They've been demonetized everywhere. >> On TikTok? >> On TikTok, yeah. I can't even go on Tik Tok and post anymore. So, I make the video on Tik Tok. It got about a million views. Uh it was 3 minutes long. And for a while I've been neglecting to do YouTube stuff. Do you know, get on YouTube. I've been mainly doing short-form content for about a year and a half. So, I just like, you know what? Let's turn this into a YouTube video. 5 minutes long. I post on YouTube. Gets about a half a million views. Then Soft White Underbelly they reach out to me. It's like, you know, we want to talk about this further. So, I reach out to them and they get to another half a million views. But the channel that I posted on gets banned. And this is, you know, a reoccurring thing. I'm constantly getting banned, constantly getting deplatformed. But the four different types of black Americans and I I don't know if I can be I don't know if I can be uncensored. Can I be uncensored? >> it. Yes, go for it. >> Blacks, Negroes, [ __ ] and [ __ ] And it's a hierarchy in the community. >> Okay. >> That black people hard-working, honest, they know exactly what they want, they know exactly where they're going to go. They represent something perfect, maybe not too perfect, but an aim for perfection. You've got the house Negro. Now, people like to say that's me because I'm I'm saying white people talking points or I'm upholding white supremacy or something ridiculous. The modern-day house Negro is both Democrat and Republican. They work in the establishment. They profit off of the culture of chaos. The music, if they're Democrat, they'll sit back and defend the [ __ ] behavior. Um if they're a black Republican, they don't live commonly in the black areas. They're completely segregated from the black area, which is fine in their own right. But they act as if they are the alternative, but they're unrelatable. They don't really represent the common black mindset. They represent a alternative world. The running away, the you know, this nomadic, I'm going to go and live somewhere else instead of living in the community. That's a big problem I have with a lot of the black conservative black Republicans. And I would say they're very pro-Israel as well. There's a problem with me as well I have with these people. The third is [ __ ] Which represents the majority of the population in the black community, unfortunately. [ __ ] allowed, [ __ ] are very aggressive, hostile to even other black people. These are the people who bring down the name and our image as a people every day. And I would say [ __ ] are the ones who are violent, the criminals, the killers, the murderers, the drug dealers in our community that promote a very chaotic and destructive environment for our black children, black women, black men, the black family, black people as a whole. >> So, how does each one fall into that category? And and what what patterns have you seen in your opinion where this behavior leads to this behavior and that's why they're in this community. How does that happen? >> So, the pattern black man, like I said, very honest. You can find a black person that is very hard-working, consistent in what they're doing. They mean well. And it's not they're trying to fit in with white people or what It's more of I'm working hard to maintain my family, maintain my area. To really build myself up as an individual, to be an outstanding representative of my community that I come from. The house negro, you can see him in politics. They're What's the mayor of Chicago Johnson? You know, that's the house negro. He'll sit back and defend a lot of the [ __ ] behavior within the city. He talks about teen takeovers. Oh, you know, we need to sit back and be soft on these people. No, we don't. We need to be harsh. Because they're the ones who are ruining the black areas. We can't have things open in our community because of these people. The people defending people like Carmelo Anthony or a lot of the people who came up underneath Trayvon Martin's case, Ben Crump, a civil rights attorney that sat back and and pushed his narrative that Trayvon Martin was, you know, this innocent child. Really, he wasn't. The people pushing people like George Floyd and so on. That's the house negro. And I also would say a lot of the black conservatives as well that are very pro-Israel, pro-establishment. They think that voting Republican is going to change the outcome of the black community. It isn't. This is a cultural problem. This is a racial problem. This is not a political party problem. And there's no political solution that can change the outcome. We have to do some self-reflection. The [ __ ] it's the people you see on the street corner. People that sit out at the gas stations, the the people who are very >> How did they get there though? >> How did they get there? >> How does each one get That's the >> How does one get there? How does >> I mean, that's the real question. >> Yeah, that's what I want to know. >> So, I would say we talk about the final two. I actually we'll we'll talk about the third one. The house [ __ ] politics, money, profiting off of black pain, and also trying to profit off of being I'm one of the good blacks or I'm one of the different ones. It's a big problem as well. >> Give me a name. Who Who do Who do you think about when you say that? Cuz you said on the second one is Johnson from Chicago, the mayor. >> give you a big one. Brandon Tatum. I don't know if you're familiar with Brandon Tatum. >> I am. >> I'm not a big fan of him at all. >> Really? >> No. >> Tell me why. >> The reason being is that he's a country boy. >> Okay. >> And there's nothing wrong with being a country boy. Don't get me wrong. I've met a lot of great country boys. But can he Is he relatable to me? Can I relate to this guy? I really can't. I can't relate to him. We vote the same. We have the same political opinions when it comes to maybe voting. >> Mhm. >> But what I want, the end goal, the end result is completely different. He's in it for the money. He's in it for the clicks, the attention. I don't think there's anything good coming from him. And then also I would say he's very pro-establishment, pro-Republican Party, which is very >> Have you spoken to him? >> met him. I would love to meet him. I would love to debate him. >> He's a good guy. I think he'd be a good conversation. >> Yeah, I think he's a good guy. Let me say this. I think he's a good person. >> You just don't want to agree with his views. >> Oh, no. I don't think that he's genuine. That I stand on it. I think there's a lot of people in this scene right now, especially on the right, that are black, that are doing this simply for the money and the attention. I'm coming at this I'm doing it because I want change. And I come from this community. You know, I've been deep black banned and deplatformed on all these platforms. I make pennies if I'm on a platform. You know, I'm I'm limited on YouTube. Facebook, they've limited my reach. Instagram, I've been banned three times. I had a 300k account, limited my reach every time. I'm not doing this for the dollar bills. These people on the on the right and on the left are mainly doing this for the sake of money. The black conservative does it for the attention of the boomer white conservative to get their attention. And the black liberal does it for the [ __ ] in the community to sit back and say, "I'm one of you. Vote for me to keep me in power so I can embezzle money, so I can steal money, so I can sit back and do not the job that you're asking me to do, but to empower and enrich myself and enrich my friends." And that's the problem that we're having right now. So, that's the path of the the house negro. With the [ __ ] this is a condition of a culture being built. I think this comes from mainly the the 1990s with the music the music industry um with a lot of the promoting of this, you know, we need to have these unstable households because there's profit in it by giving these government checks, giving government benefits. Instead of building something of value, we've traded this for building despondency, indolence, just waiting for someone to give us a handout. I think really this comes back to the civil rights movement with the mindset of MLK. We want to integrate. I don't think we should sit back and push for integration. I think integration was probably the worst thing that we did for the black community. I'm more of the mindset of Malcolm X. Now, Malcolm X being a Muslim and a Marxist, I disagree with that a lot. But what he represented was black man, go build your own. Make your own. Do for yourself. Don't ask to sit on the bus or sit at the table. Make your own. Now, someone black will respond to that and say, "Well, they burned down all our stuff." They'll go back and and dig something out of the as I would say, uh [ __ ] love to dig deep in the ass of history to pull out an example of why they're doing bad here in the present and make that as as an excuse to continue to do wrong. I'm I'm for that. >> Tell me more. >> What I mean by that is they'll bring out, you know, Black Wall Street. They'll bring up slavery. They'll bring up Jim Crow. And these things happened. Like, don't get me wrong. I mean, it's a historical fact that these things happened. But, am I going to use that as an excuse not to do right today? Am I going to use this as a is a crutch to stand on and say, "The reason for why we're doing bad, the reason for why we have all this killing and all this instability is because something that happened 200 years ago?" There are many people in this country that have come from war-torn countries, you know, conflicts that have happened the last 20 years, the last 50 years, that have had far greater effects and are doing fantastic. But, black people have been in this country for about 400 years. My family's been here close to 300 years. And we're still in the same condition because we want to be at the end of the day. And because we have leaders in our community that profit off of us staying in this position. It's a big problem that we have. >> Profiting from you staying in that position? >> Yeah. A lot of the black politicians, they want Think of the industry of profiting >> or continuously winning elections because they own the black vote. >> Mhm. But, they still profit from that. The money that comes from >> How do they profit from it? >> In terms of the businesses they run, the the the energy that comes with making the the movies, the the music, um the investments they get. All of this, keeping black people in this position of thinking that we're the victims. And we shouldn't have to sit back and look at ourselves as victims. Me as a black American, as an American black, I would say I'm I'm in a very great position. I live in the United States. Slavery was bad. Slavery was a common practice all over the world. I'm glad my ancestors got on that slave ship, you know. I'm glad that my ancestors came over here cuz I exist today because of that. It's an unfortunate beginning, but just because our beginnings are unfortunate does not mean that our end result and our present can be unfortunate. It's what we do. It's not, you know, my grandfather would always say this. It's not what happens to you, it's what you do about it. Something that's very important to me. And a lot of the black politicians, rather than focusing on what we need to do to go forward, we cry and complain about the past and make that a reason to do nothing today to go forward in the future. We can't exist like that. We can't We can't go forward. >> How How did you get this mindset? Who shaped your mind You speak about your grandfather a lot. >> I do. >> So, what what what are some ways he shaped your mindset? >> We would talk every day. My father was killed a few months before I was born. Um engaged to my mother and everything. Um grandfather loved them. >> In Detroit? >> In Detroit, yeah. Right down the street. Right down the street in the same neighborhood. It's life. That Such is life. But I'm here. >> Was he part of Was he Was he causing trouble or he was a bystander that >> Good man. And was killed, murdered. And very very unfortunate situation. I'm here because of the the excellence of my parents, but you know, this unfortunate beginning, as I said, did not define me. Didn't, you know, push me this direction to in in in the direction of, you know, being involved in crime or being involved in this instability. I had great parents. Something unfortunate happened. But we didn't sit back and cry about it. We did something and then pushed beyond the circumstance, the situation. So, that happened. Father's gone. My mother, she lives right next door. Took care of my grandmother. She passed away in 2005. Um they were like best friends. They They loved each other. Uh grandfather, he was always my mother's daddy's girl. Grandfather served 44 years in the Navy. Joined 1960, went into Navy medicine, uh PhD anatomy and physiology. Great man, like Superman. So, much of the world view, politics, philosophy came from him. He was a big Schopenhauer fan. He was a big uh Jean-Jacques Rousseau fan and Nietzsche. We would talk about these things all the time. And we were known as the black Republicans in the neighborhood because we had a very conservative outlook on things. Now, I would say I'm more far right. I'm more aggressive in my perspective on politics compared to where they of course stood. >> They being your grandfather? >> Grandfather and mother. I think I went a little bit aggressive. As I got older, we would argue a little bit like, you know, "Hey, I think we should go a little bit further with this." He's like, "Ah, you need to calm down. Pace yourself." I hear what you're saying. But pace yourself. I get where you're coming from. But slow down a little bit. But yeah, much of my worldview >> Who influenced him? >> Who influenced him? I would say >> [laughter] >> that's an honest question. Who influenced him? I would say he influenced himself. He came from a very poor condition. Uh grew up in Culpeper, Virginia. Um predicament of, you know, mother and father not in the best relationship. And married and I think he was one son out of what, six sisters? So, a lot of kids, big family. And he left home, joined the Navy, and made for him his own self. Moved to Detroit 1972. Married my grandmother I think what, 70 73 74. So, and we've been in Detroit ever since. Owned our own home. >> Same area? >> Same area. >> You have not moved? >> Have not moved. I've moved, but family hasn't moved, no. >> So, the area that they grew up Where are How far are you from where you where they were at? >> I'm downtown. >> Okay. >> So, yeah. >> Yeah. So, who would he talk to you about? You gave some of the names right earlier that he would talk about. Who else would he talk about? Thomas Sowell was Thomas Sowell an influence? >> Big Thomas Sowell. He loved Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas. Um but it was more of he was always something very interesting with him. Which got me into a more far right-leaning perspective, I would say. We would watch Westerns. Gunsmoke, Have Gun Will Travel, Bonanza. We loved it. And he would say sometimes, you know, the most interesting story isn't always the good guy. It's the bad guy. And I'm a big history fan. So, I'm like, "Well, what do you mean by that?" And then we start talking about, "Well, look through history. Look at all the people that they say are bad guys that are bad people. What do you think of them? Start Start going down the list. I'm like, okay, I can mention, you know, Napoleon. Can mention, you know, Stalin to a degree. Mao to a degree. Hitler, Mussolini, uh Francisco Franco. I can mention a lot of these people. I'm like, you know, these guys are considered the bad guys. We get told in school these guys are the bad people. But when you examine history, it's like, well, are they? History is written by the victor. This is something that I think is always going to exist regardless of if these people are right or wrong. But history is written by those who are in possession of it and can control it. When we would have a conversation about World War II, we would talk about the politics of the government. I was fascinated with the tanks, the battles, the planes. I grew up playing Call of Duty, so that was a big thing for me. Like, oh, you know, this is great. This is cool. What's the politics of it? You know, how Why is it that the this war went in this way, direction, and the course of history went in this direction? So, I started examining each individual, left and right. And I came to the conclusion that, you know, were bad things done, of course. But the message and what they represented for their respective people, I think were well I'm a nationalist because I examined World War II from a nationalistic lens. I take a very far right view of the world, but doesn't mean I'm, you know, aggressive or not compassionate in other people's perspectives. Am I very liberal? No, not very liberal. Am I empathetic? To a degree. I'm looking at things from a a lens of reality, not emotion. >> Mhm. >> I'm looking at the lens of how things are more so than how I feel about it. And that was like the biggest the biggest red pill for me that [clears throat] he pushed me in that direction. >> Okay. So, let's let's go back to the four blocks you were talking about. >> Mhm. >> What is the solution? >> The solution? >> How do How do you fix that? If you're saying those are the four different types of blacks you said, the blacks, the house, and then the you know, the third and the fourth, which I'll let you say. Right there, there's a thumbnail to your video. Uh how how how do you how do you fix some of those issues that's being done right now? In the black community. >> Three things. Crime. You've got to be really tough on crime. And when I mean that for the black community you've got to be tough on crime. Not just, you know, white people or any black people have to be tough on crime because at the end of the day it's us we're dealing with it. Definitely for murderers. I'm big on that. Drug dealers. Rapists, people who would do the harsh and very heinous crimes in our community. We've got to be very aggressive in combating them. That's something we don't want to have a conversation about. We're looking at a lot of these cases where we have individuals who are very undesirable and we're looking to defend them. Look at the Carmelo Anthony case. People are defending him. Not because he's innocent or not because you know, he's a good person. This wasn't a doctor or lawyer. This is somebody who murdered somebody and people are willing to defend that just simply because he's black rather than because he is innocent. That's a big problem that we have. We will defend criminals and killers before we defend doctors, lawyers, the best and brightest in our community. >> What's your biggest problem with the Carmelo Anthony case? Because there's a lot of stuff that came out. >> There is, yeah. >> There If you want to go through it, there's a lot of stuff that came out. I think uh they ended up rob How much money did they raise? $700,000 or so on GoFundMe? Uh that people try to help them out. None of that was used apparently for uh the the legal fees. I think that was a public defender. But what what is your What is your core problem with the Car- Carmelo Anthony case? >> Well, my problem is this. Just because somebody I said this on Twitter. If Carmelo Anthony was being bullied, and just because he was being bullied doesn't mean you go out and murder somebody. If that's the case and every school shooter's justified in going to do what he does because he's being bullied. Um and then also this idea that uh you can't move me. You know, oh I I can go wherever I want. I can sit wherever I want. It's like, no you can't. You can't sit wherever you want. Someone tells you that you can't be here, you can't be here. You get on somewhere. I'll go get somebody that can actually challenge it for you. We have this mindset that we're entitled to every space and that nobody can move us at all. And that anywhere we go, that if somebody tells us to do differently, we're going to do the opposite. Now, it's a good mindset to have that on a positive direction. Someone tells me to do this and I don't think it's good for me, I'm going to go in the opposite direction. Or I'm going to be looking at things from a a perspective I want to do my own and go in my own way. But no, black people are like, no, you know, if white people came out tomorrow and said, "Drink water. Drinking water's good." [ __ ] will come out tomorrow and say, "Drinking water's bad." >> [laughter] >> Maybe you should drink dirt or something. I don't know. Maybe you should drink mud. >> Why though? Is it because white man's the enemy? >> It's it's become that. It's become that. White man is the enemy. And the enemy at the end of the day is ourselves. We look at the communities. Every problem that exists is because of us. Now, we could talk about the historical conditions and what happened, but this isn't the 1970s and '80s where I would say that argument holds up well. The residual effects of Jim Crow still exist in hiring, banking. I would say that. If this was 1970s and '80s, I would agree. This is the 2020s going to the 2030s. My generation, Gen Z, there's nothing holding me back from going in a positive direction, going in a better direction. There's nobody holding me back systemically saying that I cannot go somewhere and I cannot do something. We believe that everything, every fight, cases like this, is like another civil rights case. It isn't. They killed one of ours, so we've one of ours is in trouble, we got to defend them no matter what. What does it do? It shows the level of tribalism and instability within our community. The lack of control, self-control that we have. We can't exist going in this direction. But, I want to go back to you said about the the three solutions. This is very important. >> First you said crime. >> Crime. Being tough on crime. Second is education. >> Mhm. >> The schools in the black community education is not focused too much. We care more about producing the next basketball players, football players. This is very true. People say, "Oh, this is a stereotype." Well, stereotypes exist for a reason. We care more about push producing more entertainers than we do leaders. What leaders do we have in the community? Don't have any. Most of the leaders and heroes that black people have today that they'll mention rappers, football players, basketball stars. He's got money. He making money. I don't need [ __ ] to make money. We need [ __ ] to think for themselves and build for themselves. We got enough [ __ ] making money. It's fine and dandy. You can make money in this country. It's a beautiful country that make as much money as you want in this land. We need leaders and this is the beautiful thing about America. We have dominated the world the last century because we've made leaders in this country. All the money doesn't compare. Leaders have been made. >> So, Democrats would say you don't think Obama's are leaders? You don't think Barack Obama's a leader? >> Obama is a a symbol of black excellence that black people ignore. They look at Obama as more of a revenge symbol than a symbol of excellence. Some do. Some look at him like, "Oh, you know, Obama's a great person to look up to." But, they get wrapped into the politics of it, the Democrat, Republican. I'm not looking at that. This goes back to what I said about looking at things from a realistic lens rather than this emotional blue team, red team lens. I'm looking at how the reality of things are more so than the, you know, all the other petty stuff behind it. But, Obama's fantastic in terms of what he symbolized. Now, the politics of it, him being a Democrat, what he's done in his administration, completely different. That's a completely different conversation. But, going back to that education, it's very important for us to focus on education, being tough in the schools on education, separating the kids that want to do well, that are educated, that want to work and show that they have this this drive to do more, separate them from the kids that that are struggling. >> Yeah, Rob, I think you have some stats on that if you want to pull it up on specifically with education. You had one of those charts that you did with Perplexity this morning. Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> It shows bachelor's degree or higher degree by race. Okay, so if you look at this, bachelor's degree or higher by race. >> Mhm. >> Ages 25 plus, this is from the US Census Bureau. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Asians at the highest, 59.3. Whites 41.8, national 37.7, blacks 27.6, Hispanics 29. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Um Why is that? Why is education not a priority based on this num- these numbers? >> Because we've pursued this idea that making money and being flashy with it is more of a goal and a priority than anything. Look at the the high school graduations >> Mhm. >> and the proms. >> Yep. >> Black people flashing a bunch of money, living a lifestyle that they'll never live, and celebrating like it's a wedding. And really it is a wedding. It's a wedding that begins their marriage to mediocrity and the bare minimum. That's the unfortunate reality of it. And we don't have to be like this. The message I have today is that we don't have to be like this. This doesn't have to be our direction. I don't think there's a voting out of this. We can vote differently all we want, but we don't think differently with that. We don't behave and act in a different way in a different manner, doesn't matter how we vote. Doesn't matter what we subscribe to, who we vote for. What matters is who we are at the end of the day, and I don't like the direction that we're going. I refuse as as Gen Z, as 25, I refuse to allow another generation of black Americans to sit back at the age of 40 or 50 and say, you know, damn we failed too. That's how I look up to the older generation of blacks like, damn, what did you guys do for the last 4 years? Oh, you know, we sat back and drank and smoked and, you know, your daddy was the [ __ ] back in '93. Well, that's cool. That's nice. But what do you have to show for today in our community? The music's great. I like the beat, but what is it talking about? The money looks great. You got all the flashy cars, but you're on Section 8 housing and you're living in a poor area that's filled with crime and the roads are are broken up. We've got all these black politicians. We're voting for them because they're black, but then they're embezzling embezzling money and not giving you the same returns that you are asking for. >> You're talking about black problems. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Uh did you see that story about the kid bragging about $10,000? What happened to him? >> Was it the kid This was in Saginaw, Michigan, if I'm not mistaken? >> Is that the one, Rob? You had the video of it. You >> killed? >> Uh he got killed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, so he's >> Deion uh >> You had the video on the group text, Rob. >> Yeah. I did a video on him. It it's unfortunate what happened. This is in Saginaw. This is what, 90 minutes from from me? >> Yeah. So how What Why is that a thing though? Why is that happening? Like what's uh what's the logic behind show me $10,000 to brag about it and somebody comes and gets you and they kill you? Where did that start? Is it purely from hip-hop music or >> it's purely from the hip-hop music, which is an industry This is a very deep conversation we're going to have here when we talk about the hip-hop industry and the music. The hip-hop industry is a lot of black people. This goes back to the house negro conversation. A lot of black people that are pushing black children, black men to make this music. And now we're seeing black women becoming more popular in their degenerate music. And what does it promote? Getting money, you know, promiscuity, um just the you know, the dysfunctional household, dysfunctional existence. And kids like this who will go out and and follow Cuz it's a big problem with [ __ ] [ __ ] are followers. We have a community of followers. This goes back to the leaders and we talk about education. [clears throat] We have a community of followers that think that this is cute and this is entertaining. But where does it lead you? You're flashing this money and then what happens? Somebody comes and kills you that's black. The clan didn't come and kill him. It wasn't some white supremacist that came and killed him. It's another black person. >> Who killed him? Who killed De'Von Wiley? The 17-year-old. Rob, you want to pull that up? Can we get some audio? So he's showing off $10,000. >> Yeah. >> This is the kid that got shot and killed, Rob? >> Yeah. This is a month ago, less than a month ago. People mourn or this is it. United high school senior who died in shooting. Go a little bit lower. Police officers have found 17-year-old De'Von Wiley III shot in a parking lot of a party store in area of South Washington Avenue and Weber Street. A memorial has been created. Unbelievable. I mean, this is hard This is someone's kid that's doing this. >> Yeah. But this happens this is a common thing. This is reported. This is what's getting reported in the news. It's a common thing. Black kids getting killed by other black people because they glorify this culture of I have to show off. And who are you showing off for? To [ __ ] that are going to kill you. To [ __ ] that are going to take from you. You don't need to show off your money. If you've got money, you don't need to show it. If you have something, you don't need to show a bunch of people. You either have it or you don't. It's as simple as that. But we've built this culture around we have to show off these things to prove we love to try to prove to somebody that we're doing something rather than just doing it. And unfortunately, this is the unfortunate end. And this is why education's important and crime crime >> So, crime one, education two, what's three? >> Family. Black men and women. Much of the problems that we look at in the community We can play the blame game, but it's more of like I said, looking at reality. Black women dominate the household. Black men no longer dominate the household. The courts, the government is now, of course, incentivizing women to have children out of wedlock. They get paid for it. Food stamps, WIC, all these different government programs that now encourage people not to get married, not to have strong families, but to abuse the system in order to thrive off the system. And you're not really thriving, you're living in poverty. Generational poverty. They want to talk about generational wealth. Generational poverty is by choice. We promoted this because we think it's cute. We think it's okay. And we don't want to call it out. The moment you call it out, you call it a [ __ ] and Uncle Tom. An enemy of an enemy of black people. But what is what do we get out of this? We're in the same condition that we're in for 30 years. And we should have been in a better a better position compared to all the other people who have come here and they they start off very poor in far better positions. Asian community, Hispanic community, which is a growing rising community in this country that black people are not aware of. Black people for a long time have been the emotional weapon politically in this country. Hispanics are now coming in and they don't need black people anymore to use as outrage like they've done for every election. What happens every election cycle? Somebody black gets shot. And they highlight that rather than highlighting all the crimes that happen every day, they highlight this racial case to make it an incentive for black people to come out and vote. They're going to put you back in slavery if you don't come out and fight for this. You know, they're going to put you back in chains. Like, I'm not going back in slavery. But we exist in a current slavery, a mental slavery that is far greater and far more oppressive than we could ever imagine. Slavery in the past, of course, brutal at the time, but this slavery we currently live in, this this slavery of of believing that we can do nothing and go no further, that we have to always be victims, is terrible. But, the family is important. Black women need to realize that they've been horrible at raising children. They have to take accountability for that. Black men have to take some responsibility in saying that we have been absent from our kids, we've been absent from our community, and we have to step back into it. >> What why disparity? When you look at these numbers here, Andre. So, this is children in father-absent homes by race race from '73 to '23. >> Mhm. >> Blacks 47 and 1/2%. Hispanics 25.7, almost half, second place. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> National average 23.6. Whites 21. And then you got Asians 10%. And if you go to the previous one, Rob, that you had up, uh out of wedlock births by race, blacks 69.3, then it's American Indian, then Hispanic, then national, then white, then Asian. Why is that? Why is this so common? >> Like I said, the the government benefits. Uh the the music that's been promoted through hip-hop. >> You think the government benefits from this? >> Oh, 1,000%. >> How? >> Well, I would say this is is the reason is this. The profit, the money that they get from just sitting back and having a bunch of children. I've seen this in the community. People sell EBT, they'll sit back and have a bunch and talk about I'm going to put them on child support. They glorify this culture. It's talked about in the music. It's talked about every day in our community. We have incentivized this culture of sitting back, having a bunch of children, not taking care of them, sitting on government benefits and having every other generation do the same thing. It's not to our benefit at all. We don't gain anything out of it. We get more We get more Deions from this. We get more uh the music that we're making. We get more Megan Thee Stallions and what's the I I I can't even can name a whole bunch of these people, the Cardi B's and all these other people who are destroying our image. They promote this music. And we know it's bad. The black people who are putting it I've talked to a lot of people I did an interview with um Say Cheese TV. Black YouTube channel. They do a lot of the hip-hop. They have people like Charleston White, someone I'm not a fan of. I think Charleston White's a clown as well. Um camera guy was telling me, "I film a lot of these rap videos. Black men, black women." He's like, "The beats sound great. It sounds wonderful. I love them, you know, I can get down to it. But the [ __ ] they're talking about is terrible. You know, and we're talking about having a bunch of children. We're talking about doing drugs. We're talking about drinking. Having a sex with a bunch of men and women. Is that who we want to be represented? Is that who we are as a people? Do we want to have this existence? No. And it's it's foolish at the end of the day. >> So, you're saying the big studios promote Are you putting it on the studios because it's profitable? Are you putting on the black community for being customers and keep buying it? Who who is at the end of the day the the main responsibility fall on? >> It's two. Two people. The black people. Of course. This is in our community. A lot of the rappers, the promoters, they're the ones making money from it. But also we also have to talk about the significant level of Jewish influence in hip-hop. That's something we never want to talk about. A lot of the problems that we talk about in the black community we blame on white people. We don't ever want to talk about the Jewish element of that. We always exclude that because we think that, "Well, Jews are white and they're the good white people." Well, really? Are we looking at it like that? They're the good white people. When we talk about discrimination, redlining, banking, I mean, who who's been dominant in much of that industry, not even that industry, that profession for centuries? Mainly been Jews. Civil rights movement mainly was not for black people. It was mainly for Jews. I mean, the civil rights movement honestly when we look at it in reality it was probably the worst thing that ever happened to black people. It's a harsh reality to acknowledge that. But yes, the music industry is dominated by two different people. You've got the Jewish media that pushes this kind of stuff in the community. And then black people go out and promote and profit from it as well. They know exactly what they're doing. They'll tell you, the rappers will sit back and tell you who owns it. The rappers will sit back and tell you who's pushing this stuff. And it's black and Jewish that are doing it. The people at the top. This is the house negro. The blacks that work with the Jews that push this kind of music. >> Who's who's trying to get so big that they control of that so they don't need to work with others? So would you say would you put Jay-Z in that category? Would you say some are getting to that point where they don't need to go through them? >> I would say there are some people. I'm not really too much focus on the you know Jay-Z and and what he does. But I would say there are black people who are pushing that. But of course this is a big industry. Industry has been occupied for the last I would say going back to the 1930s with jazz music, rock and roll with Chess Records and so on, and then hip hop now in the 90s with Death Row and and so many other labels been dominated by Jews mainly at the top. And then blacks working with them at at the low level to recruit and promote these people. But go a little bit deeper than that. >> How how can they get out of it if that's the case? >> We have got to we've got to acknowledge who's doing it and take accountability. At the end Everything is about accountability. When I mention these different people I'm not saying that we should put the blame on these people. We've got to take some responsibility, take some accountability for our own actions. We've allowed this to happen. When I talk to white nationals and they're talking about you know migration and it's the Jews doing that, well you've got to take accountability too. Who's let who's let these people in? Who's been pushing these policies? You can blame the Jews all you want. >> wasn't on my turf turf it happened before me. >> Yeah, they'll sit back and and make all the excuses like you have to take some accountability at the end of the day. We can blame whoever we want to blame. And they should be held accountable. But you've got to sit back and do the heavy work of saying, "You know what? This is kind of my fault. I've done a lot of the help." >> So so the your problem with Jews is what? That they they are using the music industry in a way to profit from it and they're controlling, but someone's buying, mhm, right? So they're >> My problem with the Jewish community and mainly and of course not every Jewish person, but organized Jewry as a whole they understand that there is a a problem racially in this country. That there's always going to be a difference between blacks and whites. And I think historically, the last 100 years they have used the racial conditions of this country in order to gain more and more power. The civil rights movement is a prime example of that. They use this situation as a way to increase more power and control in society. Black The black Jewish alliance is very >> [laughter] >> it's very entrenched. For a reason. Not as we're good friends and we're working to for the the same goal, but you know, you're the pet. When we need you to come out and be outraged, we'll call you. Look at the NAACP. Mainly founded by Jews and black people coupled with that. Much of the HBCUs funded by Jews. I'm not saying this because Jews and every way >> any specific organizations you're talking about? >> many of these Jewish organizations are always pushing for the control over black people. >> Would you say um what would you say about the conservative Jew versus the liberal Jew or there's no difference in your eyes? >> I would say that of course there is a conservative Jew and liberal Jew just as there is a conservative black and liberal black white conservative liberal white liberal. I mean these things exist. It's not all one in the same. I would say that a good majority of Jews do look at themselves as their own group and of course as their own group they're going to push for what is in their interest as every group does. I'm going to put push for whatever is in my interest and what's going to give me the most benefit out of it. >> Mhm. >> That's just a natural thing to do. So can blacks do what Jews did? Because it it it The on one message you're talking about, you know, don't be a victim, stand up, do your thing. On the other side you're saying Jews are the ones that took control and they profited from it. What can can can blacks do what Jews have done? >> Of course. >> Why don't >> Everyone can. >> You know why don't they don't say? Because they're too focused on being the victim. They're too focused on sitting back and not doing what they can do. >> But a part of somebody may watch this and say, "Okay, so you're a very good communicator. You're pretty smart. You're well-read. Um you've been raised well. On one hand you're saying you know, we have to take responsibility, but on the other side you're saying Jews control the music industry and that's why blacks are doing this. So, what would you say to them? >> What I say to them is that of course everything is not just black and white. There's nuances, a gray area. As I've said, we got to take accountability. This is happening. Tell me somebody is going to profit off of anything. Someone's going to come in and make money in any way they want to. You have to acknowledge is this good for me? They're doing this. Is this good for me? And what we're getting out of it? And where are we going with it? Are we going in a in a positive direction? Are we growing as a community from this? >> I'm making money. They're going to say, "Hey Andre, I'm making money with my records I'm coming out with. I made a million dollars last year." >> But more people like Deion are getting killed. More black kids are getting killed from it. More black people are having dysfunctional, unstable households. We're not seeing black people having You're not seeing in media, "Okay, the black the black family." You're seeing the racially mixed family. You're saying, "Well, they're promoting the African family, not the black American family." This is something you see in the film industry. >> Difference. >> Yeah. >> Between a black and an an African. There's a big difference culturally, linguistically. >> Tell me. >> Black Americans and Africans are completely separate culturally. We've been in this country for 400 years. There's going to be a big difference. Even with white Americans, completely different from uh much of the people in their ancestral homelands. You've been somewhere separated for centuries, not going to really get along with these people. And not get along is like, oh, I hate these people who I look at look down on them. We're just different. We speak a different language. Our culture's different. Our customs >> Black Americans from African Americans. >> If I go over to Africa tomorrow, no matter where I go, they're going to tell I'm an American. You take 10 black people from Chicago and put them somewhere, I don't know, put them in in in Nigeria. The [ __ ] are going to stand out. They're not going to be able to fit. They may look like Mutombo, but they're not going to they're not going to sit back and be able to blend in. We're going to carry ourselves in a different manner. Our demand and desire to do certain things going to be completely different. How we eat, the way we speak, the way we dress, how we walk. All these things are distinctive. This defines a people. It's very clear. We don't want to acknowledge this because we think that, well, everyone's the same. >> We're all human, yeah. >> But people are different for a reason. Black Americans are different from Africans. White Americans are different from Europeans. Black Americans are different from white people. So on. I mean, it it it goes on and on. Everyone has their unique identity and it's about what we contribute to the end. >> So, I didn't know you were an NBA fan. You you're a big NBA guy. >> No. >> You you just gave a massive shout-out to Dikembe Mutombo. I was impressed by that. >> [laughter] >> That is usually a joke I go to. >> Quick shout-out to Mutombo. He was a No, no. He was a great center. But, okay. So, so let's continue. So, hip-hop, um, Jews, customers buying it. Hey, do we want to do another Deion Wiley? Deion Wiley's looking up to these rappers. People have been talking about this for a while. >> Yeah. >> But, it's not like anything is changing. More more of the same is happening. More rappers are coming out. More kids are making records. >> Mhm. >> So, somebody may listen to you and say, you know what? This is how we're making money, you know, leave us alone. Let us continue making our money the way we're making it. And as long as I'm getting my money, that's all that matters. What do you say to them? >> I say is that the change is necessary for our survival. You need more people being aggressive and calling this out. This is why I make the content that I do on Instagram, on Facebook, on X. I'm aggressive with this this message because the vulgarity People will sit back and tell me, "I don't like your delivery." It's like, well, [ __ ] if you don't like my delivery, you shouldn't like the delivery of our how we're being represented as a people. How we're being delivered on the world stage. You may not like the fact that I call [ __ ] [ __ ] or say what needs to be said. But I don't like the fact that we're being represented like this as a people. I don't think that we should continue going in this direction. I think we're more than this. I don't think that my ancestors that were sitting as slaves in the 1820s were dreaming of I I can't wait for black American to be free, the black man to be free. And he looks a century or two centuries later and he sees [ __ ] you know, doing teen takeovers or fighting in the street and black women shaking their ass half naked. I don't think he would imagine that. I don't think that someone in the 1920s, black man, you know, Jim Crow was hard. I'm working hard. I want my family to have something more. He looks forward to a century later and we're looking at the teen takeovers the way that they are. >> How did the teen takeover get get started, by the way? >> Okay. Older black people ruin [ __ ] for the for the kids in the community. The teen takers takeovers have have started because all the things that we have in our community been ruined by the older generation. Oh, you know, we're going to tear up this. We're going to sit here at the park. We're going to smoke crack and and and and get drunk on the swings. Now the kids can't go to the park. Oh, you know, we're going to sit here and we're going to screw at the YMCA, at the rec center. We're going to fight here and shoot up the place. Now the kids can't go to the the rec center. Everything that we had, we don't have anymore. Everything that I saw growing up in Detroit, all the centers and everything, they ain't they're not there anymore. Except from when I was a kid, they're gone. And this is not this isn't the 1950s I'm talking about. This isn't the 1970s. This is the the 2000s. The the the 2010s. A lot of stuff is gone. So, you see these kids are bored. They're bored. And you know, a devil's you know, playground is a you know, it's a terrible thing, you know, a a a a lazy mind. >> your plane? What is What is a serial? >> Teen Teen Takeover. >> These are Teen Takeovers? >> Yes, sir. >> So, what is the idea of a Teen Takeover? What What is it? >> I've seen it in Detroit. This is going on. I've asked my little sister cuz she's you know, a teenager now. And it's like, "What are y'all going to do?" Just walk around. And I go downtown and I walk around. But it isn't going to walk around. It's going around walking around and you're going in a business being disruptive. They're fighting. They're meeting up to fight. It's ridiculous. What are we doing? Teen Takeovers are to do what? There's nothing downtown for you for kids to do. Not a single park. And the parks are there. Ain't no playground. They're just showing up and then guess what they're going to do? Fight and be obnoxious with each other. >> Just causing trouble is what they're doing. >> Causing trouble? >> With the outcome of what? Is it content? Is it Is it What is it? To show how let's party, let's have fun. What is the real outcome? >> It could be anything. It could be content, whatever. I just think it's just meeting up. And people are like, "Well, you know, they're just meeting up and just having fun." All right, destroying property is fun. >> Go Go to the Knicks game. Yesterday, apparently, there was a bunch of things that was happening yesterday with the Knicks game. >> Mhm. >> Is this after the game, Rob? >> Yes, sir. >> And what is this? >> Wow. >> Cuz he's got a Spurs jersey on. >> Yeah, I have a bunch of videos of guys in Spurs jerseys getting attacked. >> This is what we become. This is what we become. We're fighting over jerseys. >> I I feel like all we're doing is, you know, talking about the bad. Let me give you a little bit of the good on what progress has happened because there is some progress that has taken place and I want to get your feedback on this. >> Hi, I'm Andre Williams, constantly critical of black culture, black fatigue, calling out the problems within our community across this country. If you want to reach out to me, you can reach me on Manna Connect. >> 1975 black high school graduation rate 55%. Today 81% 2023. We're up 26% since '75. Black bachelor's degree attainment 1990 11.3%. Today 27.6%. >> Mhm. >> Black fatherless, we've gone from 55, we peaked. Uh now we're at 47 and a half. Still the highest by a mile, but it's still 47 [clears throat] and a half. Black home ownership, 2017 was 41.4%. Today 45.9%. Black adult imprisonment rate declined 33% over the past decade. So, there's some progress that has taken place. >> Mhm. >> It is [clears throat] When you see numbers like this, is this a good sign to you and why is that happening? >> It's a good sign, but still at the end of the day, we're very high in these in these statistics. Now, when it comes to education, yes, you got more black people graduating high school, but they graduate high school and then what are they doing? I've met a lot of people I've got a college degree or, you know, I'm I'm studying political science. I'm doing I'm like, "Fantastic." They can't tell me anything about race, they can't tell me anything about politics, they can't tell me about anything. But they're very well versed in their field and their profession, and that's fantastic. We're passing more kids in high school. We're letting them get out of high school and they're they're they're getting their diploma. But then they can't even speak proper English. They can't even communicate properly. They have low self-esteem. These are not the next leaders of tomorrow. The next place holders, the next just standbys. And we don't need that. Now, like I said, these numbers are great. It's great to see these numbers going up, but you know, we still look at the crime, the instability that's very high at the end of the day. It doesn't matter how well one black child does in one school, if he has to live in the community where there's so much of this problem culturally, he's more likely to fall into that than he is to get out of it. >> Yeah, I got another number here when you're looking at um average white household net worth, 1.37 million dollars. >> Mhm. >> Average black household wealth, below 200,000 dollars. First time ever it's a million dollar gap between the two in wealth. Some may say, well, we don't have generational wealth. This is why we need reparations. This is why for 400 years of slavery. What do you say to that? >> The generational wealth, you know, statistically generational wealth dissipates over uh what, three to four generations. So, when people say this generation generational wealth stuff, that's like a a very tick-tock term. They're like, oh, you know, that's that's nice. Reparations, what is reparations going to do? All it's going to do is put a bunch of community into the money into the community and it'll go nowhere. A reparations package would be the worst thing to ever happen to black people in this country. We're talking billions, if not trillions of dollars going into the community. Just for what? For something that happened centuries ago? Uh you're not owed anything. Um the problem is this, we don't own anything. We don't aspire to own anything. We look to rent and to borrow. When I was a kid, I had a friend that came over. As I said, we lived on the same block for decades. We owned our own homes. So, I grew up knowing about owning things and having possession of things. And my grandfather was like, "Listen, I want you to have everything cuz I don't want you going out and begging anybody for anything." He grew up doing that. Made his own way. Did his own thing. Now he owns his own. And now he can give that to his children. I had a friend over and we were talking about the field that we have next door, a lot that we own from a torn-out house. And I would play in the field all the time. Nerf guns, all everything. We played, you know, >> [laughter] >> My favorite's playing Axis and Allies as a kid and I think we could know what side I was on. I was playing in the field. And he's like, "So, y'all Y'all own this? Y'all don't rent it?" I'm like, "No, we Yeah, we own the field. This is our field. I can play in as much as I want." And so, how y'all don't rent nothing? He's like, "What do you mean? Y'all got to rent something." I'm like, "No, we own this." Y'all No, y'all rent something. I'm like, "No, [ __ ] we own this. What are you talking about?" But as a kid, it always stuck with me like, this kid's known nothing but I think at the time I think I was about 9 years old. >> Okay, you remember this event? >> this very clearly. 9 years old. I When I was 8 years old, I was very politics, economics, all the things you're not supposed to talk about in a household, we talked about it at the dinner table every night. So, my political consciousness and being wrapped in the world of politics started from I would say 8 years old with Obama running for for president. Trayvon Martin getting killed in the in early part of 2012. >> 25. >> You're 25. >> 25. Good for you. 25. >> 25, you speak like this. Respect to you, buddy. >> Thank you. >> Married? Kids? >> No kids. >> No kids yet. >> You're taking your time. >> Yeah, I'm going to take my time. No kids. >> Not [laughter] anytime soon. >> We'll see at 30. We'll see at 30. >> All right. >> No kids. No kids. >> Any reason why or no? >> There's still more that I have to do as a man before I bring kids into the world. Uh more that I want to accomplish for myself financially and even personally before I'm able to, you know, bring a child into the >> You were in the military before, 82nd. >> 82nd Airborne. >> What do you do now? >> Mainly I do what I love doing, speaking on these issues. >> Got it. >> Speaking on >> So you make money creating content. >> A little bit. Not as much. People love to say this, I'm doing this for the money. I'm I'm I'm grifting. I really don't make a lot from the content. >> I know the numbers. You you you can't be making a lot of money. >> Yeah. >> On How many subscribers do you have right now? >> Right now on the new channel we have 15 15k. >> Um Previous channel we had 61k. But you know, given what I talk about. >> So how do you monetize? How do you monetize to make money? >> Mainly Patreon. That's mainly what I'm on right now. Uh Facebook does pretty well, but the reach is limited. X has demonetized me. I get pretty decent numbers on X. I went from 3,000. Shout out to Tristan Tate giving me a shout out. I appreciate him. He's the one who really kicked off my Twitter account. >> Did he? What did he say? >> he said you need to go follow Andrew Walls. That was pretty nice. I think he did that twice. So shout out to Tristan Tate. Love you, Tate brothers. >> for him. >> Um but I'm now I'm at thinking like like 90k on on X. >> X, okay. >> I've been banned on Instagram three times. 300k. I have one account now that's at 120k. That's dormant. It's you know, I can't can't do anything with it. Now I'm at what, 28k on Instagram now on my third account, fourth account. TikTok been banned seven times. I'm not making money. >> you make money? You cannot be making that much money off of Patreon. >> I got I got my VA. That's it. Being 100%. >> Okay. >> That's pretty much it. >> Got it. >> And you know, whatever Facebook pays. I'll say I make maybe $3,000 from Facebook. But like I said, it's limited reach. What I could be making with my content, I'm not. >> Right. So that that part's limiting you. >> Yeah. >> Got it. Okay. Um yeah, cuz I wonder I wonder for a guy So going back to 8 9 years old, >> Mhm. >> you're at this field, you own the field, and the kid is asking you must be renting something. You said, "No, we own." >> [laughter] >> And all of that passed down, that mindset was down to you by your dad. Now, in the community where you guys lived and others knew you guys were Republicans and your grandpa had this position, how did they treat you? Did they look at you as weird? Were they still friendly? >> They respect my grandfather because he would help out in the community. Big on cutting the grass, big on working on people's houses. That's how he retired doing up until his death. >> So, major respect from the community towards him. >> Help people with their businesses in the community. >> Were there incidents where people tried to, you know, come at your grandpa or anything or no? He had respect. >> Had respect. >> Even still to this day. >> So, is it fairly a safe community you grew up in with your grandpa? >> I'd say that street, very much safe. We go up on the corner. This is funny. I remember going back to being very young. A few years ago, there used to be a tree on the corner. [ __ ] would sit out every day, every morning, drinking underneath the tree, loud. I remember sitting on the porch with granddad. Don't ever be like them [ __ ] on that tree up there. I don't ever want to see you sitting back and laying down. Every time you get up in the morning, you stand up until you're tired and you're done. Don't sit back and be a lazy [ __ ] like them up there. That's not going to be you. And I would see it every day going to school. I went to a private Catholic school, Gesu Catholic Elementary on west side of Detroit. Got kicked out of the school cuz I was very controversial. Not a fan of Obama. Well, of course, we were not fans of Barack Obama's politics mainly. Loved the symbolism of Obama, but not the politics. So, John McCain and Romney supporters, which I regret now. But, I was very verbal about it at school. So, every every morning, I would see him. We live right next door to each other. So, when I would get up, I go over to granddad's. Bye, granddad. He's watching Fox News. We're watching Bill O'Reilly. Um Rush Limbaugh was on the radio in the car. That's how I grew up listening to these guys, right? And he would supply me with ammunition. And mom would come in, "Dad, don't give him >> [laughter] >> ammunition to go to school. I'm going to get a call later." And he's like, "Don't worry about it." And of course, she wouldn't get a call later cuz I would be very aggressive in the classroom, mainly social studies. And that's how I was known in school. Um I remember being kicked out of private school because I had said Trayvon Martin was not the hero. And honestly, he was a you know, a [ __ ] in trouble, a trouble trouble [ __ ] I said this. >> In school? >> this in school. >> To the teacher? >> I said this to the teacher. And these are white teachers, very liberal teachers in a Catholic school. >> How old were you at the time? >> I think at the time Trayvon Martin had died. This is what, 2011, 2012? So I think what, 11? >> You're 11 years old saying this? >> Dead serious. Dead serious. I wish I could find somebody from my old class that can that can mention it, but I was not a fan of Obama because of my grandfather. And the Trayvon Martin case was kind of the me waking up to realize that we're being used in this country politically as political pawns. The lies they told about how he was, you know, he was trying to get Arizona's and some Skittles. "Oh, George Zimmerman was following him." He was initially, yeah. Then he stopped. And actually it turned out that Trayvon Martin was following George Zimmerman, that's why he ambushed him and attacked him. People don't want to talk about that. We don't talk about it, his history in school. We don't talk about the problems he had with his his parents. And the fact his mother used his death to try to get a political career to try to try to gain a political career. Ben Crump, the civil rights attorney, he got a kickstart from his career from this case. Really kickstarted the lies they told. And come to find out the girl that was on the phone wasn't really the girl. The whole case was a sham. The whole damn thing was ridiculous, but people still look at Trayvon Martin like he's he's a victim. He a victim of [ __ ] culture. A victim of our culture and what we have built. Cuz [ __ ] culture is black culture, unfortunately today. And this is something I had to realize at a young age. >> When you said that in class, what happened? >> You said that >> to a white liberal >> They told me they told my parents that I could not come back next year. They did not want me. This is what, fifth grade? So, sixth grade, I'm going to a school on the west side, further on the west side of Detroit on 8 Mile at the Chippewa. School shut down now. It's called Aisha Shule. Really it was W.E.B. Du Bois was the the original the actual name of the school. School's gone now. That was my first exposure to being around [ __ ] culture really. Cuz Jaser was mainly a lot of very wealthy and decent black, you know, I would say upper middle class to wealthy black individuals in the city. >> Mhm. >> They were sending their kids there. Um I think his name William Massey, great painter in the in the city of Detroit. I went to the school I went to the school with his daughter Leah Massey. We were in the same class together. He does a lot of art, wonderful art in the city of Detroit. Great guy. Um So, I get to the 6th grade, I'm in this, you know, very pro-African, Pan-African school. They had the Pan-African flag on the wall. Every morning I get up and I would salute the flag. They would do the Pledge of Allegiance and do the pledge to the Pan-African. I would turn around and flag American flag was in the back. I would turn around and salute the flag. Cuz I came from a military household. I came from a very patriotic household. Grandfather was staunch constitutionalist. Carried a constitution wherever he went. Uh one thing that he would people would say if he really liked you, he'd give you a constitution. It's how you knew that you guys were going to be good friends. He really liked you, he'd give you a constitution. And there's only a few people I know that that actually have one from him. I'm like, yeah, he he >> He didn't like a lot of people. >> He loved a lot of people. The thing is that he would say, "It's not unlike you, I just don't like your lifestyle." That's what he would always always say. See, there's nothing wrong with you. I just don't like your lifestyle. I don't have to. And he'll keep it there. And some people get wild with it. What's wrong with Mr. Williams, why you don't like He's like, just take it as it is. I don't have to like you. I'm not in this world to like you all the time. You don't have to like me. Your lifestyle, I really don't have to like. It is what it is. >> You ever seen the movie Fences? >> Fences? Who's in it? >> Fences? Is that the name of it, Rob, with Denzel? Malik, am I saying it correctly or no? I've heard of it. >> There is a scene. You ever seen the scene with him and his son? >> I've never seen the movie. It's funny, I was just watching a Denzel movie, Man on Fire. I was just watching that on the plane. >> it 100 times. >> that movie. >> I've watched it 100 times. It's an incredible movie. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, there's a scene in Fences where um like you That's how it starts. >> Okay, I >> I think I've seen the scene. >> You boy, you think uh uh from Fences. And and by the way, you know who acted it first? It wasn't him. >> Uh-huh. >> It was another guy, James Earl Join Jones did it earlier. But this scene, well obviously we can't play it, but if you go to the James Earl Jones, Rob. >> Great actor. >> Uh great actor. Uh and the son says, "You ain't never liked me." So was he was he an inspiration at all to your grandpa or no? Was he a fan of James Earl Jones? >> My grandfather was not into movies or comedy, none of that, no. >> So that was really his language, Rob. Can you play that clip? The movie Fences. But I think you ought to watch it. It's it's a good movie because it kind of goes to some of the stuff you talked about. Is that from a movie or is that the play? >> The play. >> Press it. >> memorable scene by James [music] Earl Jones as a stern father who has struggled to build a life and keep control of his family shows him teaching [music] his son a painful lesson about setting his expectations for affection. Great scene. >> Can I >> Ask you a question. >> What the hell you want to ask me? THIS IS THE WIKI AND ONE you got the questions for. >> How come you ain't never liked me? >> Like you? >> Liked you. >> Who in the hell ever said I got to like you? What law is there to say I got to like you? Do you want to stand up in my face and ask me some damn fool ass question like that. Talking about liking somebody. Come here boy, let me talk to you. Straighten up, goddammit. I asked you a question. What law is there that say I got to like you? >> None. >> All right then. Don't you eat every day? Answer me when I talk to you. Don't you eat every day? >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] as long as you living in my house, you put a sir on the end of it when you talk to me. >> Yes, sir. >> You eat every day? >> Yes, sir. >> Got a ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD? >> YES, SIR. >> AND CLOTHES ON YOUR BACK? >> YES, SIR. >> Why do you think that is? >> Because of you. >> Hell, I know it's because of me. Why do you think that is? >> You think it's cuz it's cuz I like you? >> Cuz you like me? Like you? I go out of here every morning and bust my butt putting up with them crackers all day long because I like you. You is the biggest fool I ever saw. It is my job. It is my responsibility. You understand that? A man got to take care of his family. >> It but by the way, I I know this is Some people may not like this. I think Denzel does this scene better than James Earl Jones did it. It is so intense when he does it. >> Mhm. >> Fences. It's the scene in the backyard. Sounds like a little bit of a grandpa, maybe slightly different mindset. >> Very. >> What do you think about what James Earl Jones just said? >> Love James. Love I'm big on movies and actors, so one of my favorites right there. Um him and Clarence Williams the third, which is funny, my grandfather's name is Clarence. So, I always thought it like, y'all related? >> But he's not [laughter] the third. Is he a second? Is he a first? Is he >> No, he's he's No, not a junior. >> Okay, got it. >> So, it's funny he's Clarence. >> He's a phenomenal actor. >> Clarence is great. I I always one of my favorite movies of even though he had a very limited role in this movie with John Travolta. What is it called? General's Daughter. >> Mhm. >> I liked that movie so much. Very Growing up I had the DVD. I love watching that movie. Very tough movie to watch, but fantastic. I love the soundtrack of the movie. It's a great film. We were talking about Man on Fire. I watched it on the plane. I'm like, "I haven't seen this since I was a kid." Great movie. Love that movie of Denzel. I really feel that was We talked about The Equalizer. People love him now in The Equalizer. No, that was the original Equalizer, honestly. >> Yeah. So, yeah. >> No, this is in my top, you know, when people ask me about top 50 movies, Man on Fire is probably my top 10 all time. >> I would say top 10 for me. Goodfellas is number one for me. Why? Goodfellas? >> Why Goodfellas? >> Goodfellas is a funny movie. I love the movie. >> [laughter] >> I like Ray Liotta, Joe Pesci, >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Robert De Niro, great. Heat is another one. >> Yeah. >> Um what's the another one I Scent of a Woman with Al Pacino. >> So, we have identical taste. >> [laughter] >> Scent of a Woman and Man on Fire are both in my top 10. >> Mhm. >> Scent of a Woman we've probably Now, would Have you watched The Judge? >> The Judge? No, no, no. >> Robert Downey Jr.? Have you seen it with Robert Duvall? I think you would like The Judge. >> When did it come out? >> The Judge came out probably 20 years ago, 15 years ago. >> 2014? >> 10 years ago. >> into the the new movies. Anything past 2012 is kind of like >> Just test this one out. You'll thank me later. This is a This is a worthy movie to watch. So, let's go back to You talked about Trayvon Martin. What was What was your impression with what happened with George Floyd? Was that any different than Trayvon, or was it the same? >> I've seen this pattern all the time. All the time. On the corner. On the street. Was not a hero. Was not Can we talk about his death being tragic? Yes. I mean, of course, no one deserves to die. But, is this someone I'm going to burn down my own areas? Is this somebody that's relatable to me? Especially at the time I was what, 20 years old, working this before I went in the army. This wasn't somebody I can relate to. This is a pawn of a movement to get black people energized and energetic for election. When people talk about when the president talks about they stole the election, I don't think that they did it through the ballots or anything. I think they did it through the emotion with COVID and George Floyd. That's a better argument than, you know, they were doing something with the ballots, you know, Joe Biden. I don't think so, Mr. President. I think they used this to get you out of office. As they will do with anything. They use black people as a weapon in this country. And this weapon is very good. It's been We've seen it with goes back to Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks didn't have no business being on the bus that day. She had a a [ __ ] husband with a car. She didn't have no business being on the bus. This is all orchestrated, but they don't want to talk about Claudette Colvin, the actual young woman that stopped and ended segregated busing in the 1950s and 1960s. They don't want to talk about her because she was dark skinned. And she had a child at 16 years old because she was raped by a black man. The NAACP didn't want to highlight that. The NAACP, as we know, was not entirely ran and organized and for the benefit of black people, but had the image and the symbol of an organization stand up for black people. This is This is what name? What What was her name? >> Claudette Colvin. >> Rob, can you pull that up? >> Yep. 15 years old. 15 years old, single mother, raped, on her way to work, and was kicked off the bus. >> By a black man. >> Raped by a black man, yeah. They didn't want to They didn't want to highlight that case. But they chose Rosa, who was mixed race, lighter skin, came from an upper middle-class black and respected family. They used her as the image. No one talks about Claudette Colvin. I'm sure a lot of black people don't know who Claudette Colvin is. They know who Rosa Parks is. Rosa Parks, that was orchestrated. That was an entire event orchestrated by the NAACP. Coupled and funded by many Jewish organizations that wanted to push this ADL and so on that wanted to push this idea and push this image rather than pushing the truth what was going on. Cuz it would have talked about, of course, the segregated bus, which is a problem, but also the crime and the pain from other black people inflicted on black women and black children. They couldn't do that at the time. So, that goes back That's the original hoax racial hoaxes right there, Rosa Parks. Never had any respect. Grandfather was never a fan of Rosa Parks or MLK. Never respected them. >> Never respected Rosa Parks or MLK? >> No. >> Why not MLK? >> MLK with the integration. Grandfather grew up in the South, grew up in Virginia. So, he knew about segregation, Jim Crow. >> Mhm. >> Going into the Navy medicine, he had to take the test about three times because they didn't think that he passed with such high scores. There was only 12 blacks were in the class. I think he was one of two to pass. They didn't think he passed at all. So, he knew about the, of course, the racial animosity, racial pain from segregation, Jim Crow. But it goes back to what I said, building your own. MLK was more of I want to blend in and ask for the handout and the seat at the table. Grandfather was a mindset, I'm going to make my own table. I'm going to make my own chair. Then I'll make the the roof, the walls, the foundation, and we'll sit in it. And we traded what could have been that for now the handout goes back to the government assistance. We'll get the handout. Goes back to the reparations. We want the handout. Rather than building it our own. Black people love to talk about the black dollar. The black dollar so powerful. We got a trillion dollars in black spending power. You don't do any damn thing with it. You spend it on what? You flash the money. Having kids flash money so they can get killed. You spend it on music that talks about killing your own and destroying your own. We're not spending on what we need. And in the black businesses that do get brought up and raised up, they get destroyed by other black people. That's what comes back to the [ __ ] and the [ __ ] conversation. >> Who right now agrees with you? Like when you're talking about you said you don't agree with Tatum. Some of the things you guys are probably on the same page with you and Tatum. >> Mhm. >> Uh what do you think about what Stephen A is doing? Some of the things he's talking about. >> Stephen A. Here's the thing. Stephen A is >> trouble all the time by the way. >> He does. Stephen is great in terms of what he represents. Each of these guys are great in what they represent. But is it relatable to the average person? I live in Detroit. I could take the money I got from the military, my VA home loan and so on, right? And moved out to the widest area, got a nice home a house in the suburbs. I didn't. Came back to my community. I came back to my city. When I left Fort Bragg and I drove up, I drove all the way up to Detroit by myself. Long drive. Coming back home and seeing how the city is and how my people are, I thought it'd be different. No, it's still the same if not worse. Where are these people like Stephen A? Where are the people like Brandon Tatum and so on? Where are the people What's the other guy Xavier? He's with PragerU. All these black Where are they? These are people who are completely isolated from the actual issues. They talk about all the high-level stuff. But the low-level stuff with the crime, the culture, they're not willing to have an aggressive conversation in the way that I'm trying to have a conversation. I think that we No, I know that having this conversation on being aggressive and combating this culture that is destructive to our future, to our survival is necessary. There's no soft conversation. >> So So you're saying if they're real, live with the people that are going through the problem. >> Mhm. >> So you're you ever planning on making millions? >> I would hope, yes. >> Okay. So, when you do are you going to stay where you at When you do, are you going to stay where you at or would you move out? >> stay where I'm at. >> You stay where you are. >> Yes. I encourage every every black man anyone that has anything buy your own in your own area and stay in your own area. Why am I going to run to the suburbs? Why? I get it, crime. I get it. I don't want [ __ ] stealing from me either. Shoot them dead. If you're in your own >> Shoot them dead? >> Yeah, 1,000% someone comes and takes yours and takes in your community. This is the problem that we don't want to have a conversation. This is an aggressive conversation we've got to have. Are we going to allow people in our community to steal and take from us? No, we shouldn't. Why do we have so many thieves in our community? Cuz we give them a pass to steal. We encourage them to do so. We don't put the hammer down and say enough is enough. Cuz like I said, at the end of the day the businesses that lose the most are black businesses. When we talk about what happened with the Rick Chaleur case the black kid that um stole or was accused of stealing from the store. He had to deal with black people stealing from the store all the time. I can go to stores in Detroit right now and show you how people act and and treat the owners of the store. Arab, Asian, even black. I've seen black people who work with the Arab gas stations or liquor stores and they get treated like [ __ ] >> Mhm. >> Oh, you black, you working, you a [ __ ] you back there working with them. What you mean working with them? Working a job, [ __ ] Is that a problem? Having something? Cuz when we have it our own prices have to be high and we steal from it. And we go in and think you got to give it to me cuz you you black, too. Why we can't I can't get it for free? I've heard this growing up. I've watched this as a kid that this is the mentality. This isn't something I'm making up cuz I live in these areas. The people we're talking about, the people on the right they don't live in these areas. They're completely isolated from it. And this is why they're not willing winning. They're not relatable. Now am I the most relatable person in the world? Of course not. I have my flaws. I'm not perfect. >> Mhm. >> But what I represent is somebody who in these areas, that sees the problem, knows the problem, can point it out, and can speak to these people. I love when I go around Detroit and people recognize me. I love your content, man. Black, white, doesn't matter. >> Mhm. >> I'm always downtown Detroit every weekend. I love to walk around. It's what I love to do. I go anywhere I want, cuz I don't have any fear in this. People love to say black people, especially Detroit, you you fearful about going out in Detroit. Oh, you probably hiding somewhere. You probably living in the suburb. I don't. I live in Detroit, downtown to be exact. And I go to the same place I grew up. And I wave to the people who know me. And I can walk from the house I sat back and was born and raised in to any gas station, any store in that area. Ain't nobody going to say anything to me other than a hey, hello, how's your mom doing? If they haven't seen me in 2 years, how's your granddad doing? He passed away about 2 years ago. That's how I'm represented, and I will continue to be represented in that way. I don't have any fear in what I'm saying, cuz I know I'm right. >> What political aspirations do you have? >> Given the controversy, and especially with me being very critical of the Israeli lobby and and Jewish power, I I would say that as much as I would love to run for office, I think there would be a lot holding me back, given those things. However, if I could run, I probably run for mayor of Detroit. The highest I would go is governor, if privileged, if I was ever approached by anyone, if I could ever see the presidency, I would love to. Senator, House of Rep, I would love to. But, I would stay at the local level as much as I can, governor, mayor, nothing more. >> Yeah, I respect it, because you know, there's a part of it where Andre, it's kind of like you're saying these guys who left. Let's just say you said Stephen A, Xavier, and who were you talking about? Brandon Tatum, right? That you love. But, by the way, when I had a What was that guy's name that uh uh we were trying to set up a debate or conversation to sit down, and it didn't work out, and the guy >> Dr. Umar Johnson. >> Yes, I I it it was Do you have thoughts on him? >> Terrible. Terrible thoughts. Him is another one, Tariq Nasheed. He is kind of the the same mindset as Dr. Umar, but he Dr. Umar is more Pan-African. Tariq Nasheed is, you know, foundational black American. >> Umar wants you to marry an African-American. That's kind of He He wants to say marry your own. Don't marry a white girl, and that's kind of his position. >> Yeah. >> What do you disagree with Umar? >> Uh the Pan-African Pan-Africanism. I'm not a Pan-African. I don't really care about Africa. Africa is wonderful in their own right. Right? If I was white, I don't really care about Europe. If I was Asian, I wouldn't really care about Asia. I care about America. We've been in this country for 400 years. There is nothing else that exists beyond that. Now, I can go to Africa, like I said. I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb. I could blend in for a little bit. We're going to look the same, but you're going to know I'm different. And there's going to be a just a different demand and energy that comes from me as an American. America's the home of the best and the brightest, the exceptional. There's nothing like us outside of this. And that's what That's what should exist here. Now, I'm all for, you know, yeah, marry your own. I'm not into race mixing. I'm not someone who's like, oh, you know, you should go marry a white woman. No, no. I'm for marrying your own. As far as I go, I say mix. I think mixed mixed women are black, in my opinion, majority. But with Dr. Umar, he's more of I want to focus on Africa. We should return to Africa. And do what? And get what? And gain what? And then build what? When you've got everything you need and everything you could ever have here in this country and make more of it times 10. >> Well, his Believe it or not, his argument uh could be saying, well, you said earlier in the podcast that uh you're glad your ancestors left Africa to come to America, right? Okay. He's saying, I want to go back and fix where my ancestors came from. >> Mhm. >> You're now saying you are not happy with what Tatum, Stephen A, and Xavier are doing cuz they left where they were from to a safer suburbs community. >> I see the correlation you're making. I see. >> So so then isn't there a contradiction there? >> Mhm. No. >> Tell me why. >> No. The big thing is that like I said, culturally, socially, completely separate from Africa. Completely isolated from that. Two different home worlds. Now if he wants to go back, fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do. But here, we as Americans have something completely different separate from Africa. The destiny and the purpose of Africans is in their hands and they should do everything they can to center themselves around that and push for that. The destiny of black Americans, Americans in general, is completely separate and we have to push in our own direction. So that's what I'm talking about. If he wants to go to Africa, he wants to do that, fine. But as an American, I think it's important for you to stay in this country. >> maybe, you know, the argument is Andre, maybe your grandkids are going to be glad that you make your money and you move to, I don't know, Nashville, Tennessee. You move to a different area to be safer for them. Why are you staying in Detroit? You're saying you want to make an impact and change the city you came from. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So mayor, I'd actually like to see you run for mayor. I'd like to see how the market would react if you ran. >> It'd be chaotic. >> Well, I'd like to see what would happen [laughter] if you ran because cuz I think the you know, what I do like is I like to see every one of these conversations being out there and seeing how the market would would react to it for a young guy like you. By the way, did you hear about Westmore? We just had him on the podcast I think 3 weeks ago, 4 weeks ago. He made a What is the idea the thing he wants to do with banning Glocks? Did you see this? Mayor Westmore signed a bill 334 into law which prohibits the future sale, manufacture, and future and purchase of handguns including most Glock and Glock style models that can be easily and quickly converted into fully automatic machine guns. What do you think about Westmore's idea? >> So why you going to ban the gun? I'm not going to ban the tool. I'm I'm ban the [ __ ] using it. What I mean by that is you have to go against go against after the people who are committing these crimes. Why not be tough on crime being tough on the gun? I'm going to ban hammers cuz people using hammers now to beat people. No, I'm going to go after the people doing it. Be aggressive in combatting this and he's from Maryland. I mean I mean look at the area look at that entire area over there. It's not the best. We know who's committing the crime. We know who's doing it. Why not go after those people? Why do we have to try to go around the problem? People like Wes Moore and and especially the white liberals always want to talk around the question the conversation. They always want to sit back and try to make excuses for the problem but not get to the root of the problem. I think this is an American thing. I think this is something that's become something we've kind of ingrained in ourselves over like the last 50 years. We would rather talk around the issue than deal with it. And that's something that I think historically has never been us as a people. >> Yeah. You know, to us uh going into 2028 I was encouraging him to think about if he wants to win to be you know, changing some of the positions that's not working. What what what policies on the Democratic Party do you agree with? Any of it? >> I'm not a political party person. Democratic Party Republican Party >> But you said as a family you guys have been Republicans. >> We vote Republican by default but it's it's more of what's in my interest not so of I'm voting because I like these. Why do you vote Republican? It's a close I'm a nationalist. I'm a populist. >> So that's one. What else? >> I believe that immigration is a big problem. I think mass migration is detrimental to this country. The Republican Party is the only one that's really defending it to a degree. Of course not entirely. When it comes to being tough on crime you mainly see that from the Republicans. But the problem is that both parties sit back and say that they want they want to solve the problem. They never do because the game is to keep these issues floating around. They have have to run on. Say like, you know, listen we did a half-ass job for the last 4 years. You vote for me again, we might do somewhat of another half-ass job. And that's the cycle that keeps going. >> Why get into politics? >> Get into politics because there's a necessary change in this country, whether it be beyond Republican, Democrat, culturally, racially, socially, economically. It's necessary for this generation currently. >> Mhm. >> I don't care about the political parties. These are tools for us to use. Political parties change every century. Political affiliations change every election cycle. What the problems that exist and persist, that is either going to go current if we don't come up for solution. >> I'm going to I'm going to give you a name, so I want you to give me one-word answers. The one word that comes to mind. Jay-Z. [ __ ] Barack Obama. >> Hero. >> Really? >> Yeah. Symbol of of of excellence for black people. >> George Floyd. >> [ __ ] >> MLK. >> House [ __ ] That's too much. >> Okay. Drake. >> [laughter] >> Um Jewish. >> Jewish? Jewish? >> Well, he is black and Jewish, right? >> [laughter] >> Byron Donalds. >> Clown. >> You think so? >> 1,000%. Another example of what I'm talking about. I like James Fishback. I think James Fishback is an example of that change in politics. Byron represents the establishment. >> Have you heard some of the stuff Fishback has said? >> I have him >> on the podcast. I follow James Fishback. >> He said he said to uh By the way, I had him on and we talked about it, some ideas. I was like, "Okay, great. These are some good ideas he's got." >> Mhm. >> And then I saw him in a video >> About the black dude? >> About the black dude saying, "I hope you if I you get lynched" or something like that. >> What was the context of that? >> Because the guy approached him >> Uh-huh. >> and said, "There is accusations of you with an underage girl, 16 years old." Um >> [snorts] >> you want pull up pull it up. Uh that's it right there. Go ahead, Rob. >> Why are you not answering the question, bro? >> I'm happy to answer the question, dude. >> Did you smash? Was it missionary? Back shots? What was it? >> Listen, I don't want you ever I don't want you ever speaking about women in our state like that ever again. >> I mean, I DON'T WANT YOU EVER SMASHING GIRLS, teenage girls, in our state ever again. So, promise me never smash a minor again. >> Why haven't I been arrested? >> I don't know. >> Why haven't I been arrested? >> I don't know. >> You should be lynched. >> WHY HASN'T TRUMP BEEN >> YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED. >> WHY HAVEN'T YOU BEEN ARRESTED? >> I SHOULD BE LYNCHED. >> YES. >> HONESTLY, that's kind of That's kind of funny, I'm not going to lie. That's wild as hell, but it's funny. I've seen the clip. Wild [ __ ] to say to somebody right here. It's It's wild, dude. You got to think about it. The things that I want you to think about this. 10 years ago, a lot of stuff we're talking about today >> Yeah. >> be black people, be the Jewish community, you couldn't say. >> Right. >> Today, you can say whatever the hell you want. And it's kind of funny, like, damn, dude just said that? >> Who Who Who helped that? >> Who helped that? >> What? >> Who would have pioneered >> 10 years that helped you be able to be able to say stuff like this? >> I would say what he represents beyond that. >> No, no, no. What other individual >> What other other individuals >> helped, you know, pioneer the ability to speak like this? >> The frustration with the censorship in this country, especially on the so- on social media. >> Yeah. >> I'm 25. I grew up playing Call of Duty. You can say whatever you want. During the the recession era >> Interesting. >> You say whatever the hell you want on >> See, I don't come from that era, right? So, on game gamers, they they talk in the Does any Does anything Anybody get banned if >> You sur- You get banned now, yeah. You do But back in the day, you didn't. You didn't get banned. This was something that a lot of us who grew up with that era. If you're especially if you're like a younger millennial, you say like you're early to mid-30s, you understand this as well. We grew up in this time, the internet, you could say whatever you want. It was free. You didn't have to worry about censorship. >> How old were you at that time? >> At the time we're playing Call of Duty, like Modern Warfare 2, I was like 9 years old. >> Oh, so you [laughter] were able to say anything. >> You could say whatever you want. It was a fun time. And the thing is that if you got offended, all right, play it out in the match. If you win the match, you get to say whatever you want even more. And it was a cycle of that. The internet was before 2016, before Trump, honestly. Before Trump, you could say whatever you want. Then Trump came in and that's when the censorship started cracking down more. >> Mhm. >> Then they start banning people off of YouTube. And that was the days of the alt-right. I was I've always been on the right for much of my life. I floated around that sector a long time. Nick Fuentes, watched him when he first started. Richard Spencer, when he was popular at the time. It was a fun time to sit back and talk about these things. Cuz no one if you got offended, all right, then prove me wrong. You know, say something back. >> Have you and Nick collaborated? >> No, I have not collaborated. >> You've never collaborated with >> criticisms of Nick, but you know, it'd be great to talk to Nick. Nick's a great dude. I agree with 90% of what he said. >> What's the 10 you don't? >> Right now, the 10 I don't believe that voting Democrat is going to change anything in terms of Republican Party. All that does I'll say this. I see where he's going with it. If you vote Democrat, get them in the power, they're going to punish the Republicans. Not just the party, but those who vote as well. I actually did say this, and it's funny, Nick was saying this concurring at the time, if Trump had lost the election, it would be good for the Republicans and for the right long-term. Because going into the 2030s, we would have had this energy and this fervor, this fanaticism of not just taking power, but maintaining it. What have we got now? We've got a half-assed job. Much of the things that Trump had ran on originally, from the original MAGA movement, is no longer there. It's been abandoned completely. What I was supporting at 15, 16 years old when he was coming out the escalator, that nationalism, that populism, that's gone. Now it's the establishment. The Republican Party's taken over. The The Never Trumpers who were against him when he lost, and even in the first term are now supporters of him. >> Such as who? >> Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro, uh Matt Levin >> if you think about Mark Levin, you mean? Yeah, Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro was not a supporter in '16, neither was Beck. >> Mhm. >> Neither were a lot of people. >> No, no. >> But every time a Republican won, he was supporter of the Republican. >> Ted Cruz. >> in '16, who did who did he want in '16? Shapiro wanted who in '16, Rob? Was it Cruz? >> Cruz. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Remember, even Marco Rubio. >> No one liked Marco Rubio. Now we love him? >> Ted Cruz, no one liked Ted Cruz. >> So, who do you like for '28? >> For '28? >> Yeah. >> Really nobody. There's nobody on the ticket right now that's good. Not even Vance. I don't even think Vance >> to sit that one out in '28? >> Unfortunately, like we've always done. See, you know, we mentioned about the voting. We have a tendency to write our own names in the ballot. Like grand This is something that comes from granddad. And my mother does the same thing. We don't like a candidate, we just write our names in. >> [laughter] >> That's what we've always done. >> But of course, I voted for Trump. I support him because, like I said, the closest thing to my interest to vote for something like that. I'm not going to vote for a Democrat cuz it's further from my interest. What Trump represents is that nationalism, is that populism. >> Mhm. >> And changing this country. >> Mhm. >> Is he perfect? >> No. >> Is he perfect now? Hell no. But I'm always going to vote for what is beneficial to me. I mean, it's a very selfish view, but I mean, why not? Of course, I'm going to have that that perspective at the end of the day. >> What is that? >> If somebody black came in, was a Democrat, and was saying the things that I'm saying now, I'd vote for him because it's the closest thing to my interest. Parties don't matter at the end of the day. They really don't. >> Uh yes, but the the Democratic Party, the stuff that they're standing for today, how much have you yourself, since you've been in this space with your grandfather for a while, how much have you seen them changing, the Democrats? Cuz your grandpa only passed away 2 years ago. >> Yeah. >> So, he saw Trump. >> He did? >> What did he think about Trump? >> Trump What he thought about Trump was the same thing I'm saying now. However, Trump was not enough. He is the beginning of something different. Just like I want to mention James Fishback, you know, criticize what he said, fine. But what he represents is something good. Thomas Massie, what he represents is something good. Even on the left, I'll give you this, Mondaire in New York, he's a socialist, he's a communist. He represents something for the left that eventually you're going to have this clash of two ideas. And from that clash of two two ideas, you're going to have something new that comes and forms from that. I say this all the time, people like, I want things to get better in this country. Unfortunately, I want things to get worse because in order for things to get better, you have to get things have to get even more worse. They have and they have to. >> what do you have to lose today? What is the most valuable thing you can lose today? How much wealth have you amassed? How much uh uh if if [ __ ] would have hit the fan today, what would you lose? >> My family. That's the one thing that is valuable to me. >> Aside from that, but don't set aside your family and blood. >> Mhm. >> Aside from that, what else have you built that you would be okay with losing today? >> Nothing. >> So, do you see that perspective for the youth when they say, uh I'm okay with everything being lost, but they don't have a lot to lose right now. >> Mhm. >> They would be okay with everything being lost >> Mhm. >> versus those maybe that have built something saying, "Wait a minute, the last 20 years I've been building." I understand. So, I remember when I was your age, 25, not even 25. Let's just say I'm 16 years old, 18 years old. You know what I had to lose at that age? It was nothing. What I have to lose at 25 years old? At 25 years old, I was $49,000 in debt. America didn't do There was nothing in my life at that time. I had barely started working financial services. I became a broker at 25 years old. And started making money probably at 26 years old. So, if [ __ ] were to hit the fan and everything fell, how does it impact me? In no way. So, so to me when I when I go around and talk to young because I want to know what you're thinking. So, if you if you if you think about the guys that I've had on the podcast, I brought Nick on. I want to know what he thinks. I want to know what that age is thinking about. I want to know what you think. We brought another guy, Rob. What was his name? Thomas Russo? And then there was another young black man, sharp. I think his name is King Randall. Do you know who he is or >> I know Thomas Russo. I've hung around a lot of people within this movement. >> Rob, can you type in King Randall? King Randall is I think what he calls himself out of Atlanta. >> Oh, wow. >> Have you heard of him or not? >> to hear about him more now. >> Successful guy. Go to his Instagram account, Rob. Um Yeah, because because what is important him right here. Founder of the X Boy X for Boys. He's helping shape the mindset of young men. He does a great job. Very eloquent, very well-spoken. We have to listen to people your age to see what is upsetting you, what is frustrating you, what is getting under your skin, and [clears throat] to see where the credibility lies. Uh how much credibility is there with the issue? How much there isn't? How much of it is a current issue? How much of it is a long-term issue? Um and you'll see a pattern. You'll see This is why I asked you the question. I said, "By the way, what do you think about Hasan Piker?" >> Not a great guy, honestly. Not a great guy. I can understand his perspective cuz I've hung around a lot of people on the right and the left, and I understand. But he's not He calls himself a socialist. He's not a socialist. If he was a socialist, he'd be living in a completely different way. He advocates for mass migration. Any actual socialist is not going to advocate for mass migration. Do you support him? He's not a really genuine person. So, but I see what he represents in terms of the economic frustration from people on the left. This is why I mentioned Mondami. There is an economic frustration in this country. And left, they have a lot of control. >> Left and right, by the way. Left and right, everywhere, yeah. >> Thing is that the right is not provided a viable alternative economically. I'm talking of the younger generation. >> So, what would be your viable idea? >> Well, I would say this. One, companies and businesses should be loyal to the country. I don't think that we should have a multinational corporations that are only loyal to the profit. And of course, the entire focus of business is to profit at the end of the day. But we got to have some loyalty to our country. We got to have people who are loyal to our nation's growth. >> Mhm. >> He talks about housing, affordable housing. Well, you know, you can't just sit back and make houses cheap all you want. Can't do that. Got to increase the wages in this country for workers. Stop bringing in millions of people and giving them the jobs. We should be employing Americans to work hard and work and have these professions. So, really, a lot of this stuff, it's a hard conversation with a lot of stuff that we think that oh, we have to be nice. We have to give people this money. We have to do No, we don't have to give people money. We have to give them more opportunity. We don't have to give anyone anything. No one's owed anything. No one has to be given anything in this world other than a blanket when you're born and a coffin when you're dead. While you're living in between, >> Mhm. >> opportunity is given. >> [snorts] >> Okay. So, I asked you Byron Donalds a one word turned into a few thousand words. It's because of Byron Donalds. All right, let's go [laughter] to the next one. Kevin Hart. >> Funny. >> Funny. Okay, good. Will Smith. >> Gay. >> Gay. All right. Stephen A. Smith. >> Good. >> Oprah. >> [ __ ] >> It's a new word. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> That's That's my term for house house negro uh, negro for the females. Diddy? >> Oil. >> What was that? >> Oil. Oil. [laughter] You're so funny. You are funny. I got it. Charleston White. >> Grifter. >> Okay. Jada Pinkett. >> of him at all. Not a fan of him at all. >> Why is that? We've had him on. >> Charleston White. I can tell you just looking at how he is. Comes from the [ __ ] background. But this is a common example of [ __ ] that do wrong, get caught. Cuz he was involved in a murder a few years ago. Got caught, did wrong. >> He was involved in a murder a few years ago? >> Back in 1991, yeah. He went to jail, did time. >> talk about that with him, Rob, or no? >> I don't believe so. >> He never wants to talk about it. It's funny. So, a [ __ ] himself Often a [ __ ] will get caught, do wrong, gets tired of doing wrong, cuz he's getting caught. >> Mhm. >> Decides, I want to do right now. Gets tired of doing right. Reverts back to doing what [ __ ] always do, wrong again. That's the cycle of them. So, not And he's still involved in the crime. He's a a joke, a charlatan, a grifter. He's doing it for the money, the attention, the clicks. He's not doing it cuz he's actually serious about anything. Now, when he talks about black people, the music industry, right on the money. I agree. But most of his rhetoric is just for the attention. We don't have This is the problem, like I said, we don't have any leaders, we don't have serious people. Am I perfect? Obviously, no, I'm not perfect. But we really don't have any leaders in our community. The The one you mentioned, Black Guy 26, that's a leader right there. That's a great guy. Charleston White, no, not at all. >> Who? The The Randal? >> Yes, Randal. That's a leader right there. That's a great person right there. That's the people we need in our community. There's another guy, a black dude, older gentleman, I think it's, uh, um, Dr., um, Dr. Prison? It's something, I can't think what his name is, but he goes around to to parents' households and straightens out the kids. I can't think of The prison doctor. Yeah, I think that's what it what it is. Nice guy. I like him. Great dude, but Charleston White is a clown, an attention [ __ ] in my opinion. >> Yeah, so 21 years old, Charleston White did not personally shoot the victim, according to the accounts he has publicly given. However, he was involved in a robbery >> which led to a murder. >> at 14 that resulted in a man's death, and he was adjudicated convicted in the juvenile system for murder because of his participation in the crime. >> Got it. >> You've never spoken to him before. >> No. >> Okay. All right. You got a lot of people to talk to. >> I do. >> You got a lot of people >> open for Here's something, you know what's funny? You invited me on. Fantastic. Love it. Talk Fight Underbelly invited me on. Fantastic. >> Mhm. >> Lot of, I would say, predominantly white or of other descent, whatever, will invite me on. Black people won't have me on. Cuz it's going to be an honest conversation about where we're going. >> They'll have you on after this. >> I'm hoping that they will, and I want more of that, cuz really I love I love that I can be able to talk to anybody. But, the people I really need to talk to, a black, the people I really, really need to talk to are in the community. And instead of having a conversation they ignore it. >> I don't think any of the guys would I don't I don't think Tate and would avoid having you on. I don't think Steven >> what's You know what's funny? We had a back and forth on Twitter. And I need to find the thread. But, I I've always I troll him and I like to ratio him on Twitter. He's like, "If you had any money or influence, I'd sue you for defamation." I said, "Fuck it. Go ahead. I don't care." Cuz I said that you're a Jewish puppet. I said, "You're a puppet of of Israel. You went to Israel and got spat on." Dude, like and you cheered about it. You thought it was like funny. Then come on, kick rocks, man. >> He went to Israel? >> He went to Israel. Went to the wall, did and they spit on him. He's like, "Well, we only got spit on he did an interview with Bibi Netanyahu. We only got spit on once." It's [laughter] like, "Dude, what? What do you mean you only got spit on once?" And he said it like he was proud. Like, you know, "We over there." >> you know talking like that you won't get him to talk to you. >> I know. >> So, that's a problem because if you have aspirations to want to run as well, >> Mhm. >> you have to also find a way to get in front of these guys to communicate in a different way because there's two challenges here. One of them is is celebrating ratio versus celebrating change. >> Mhm. >> If you want to celebrate change, do you think this approach gets you in front of those guys? >> these are changing these people. When I When I attack >> But, hear me out for a second. We're very well communicated. So, go back and think about your grandpa cuz you said you went further right than your grandpa. >> I did. >> Right? Okay. But, I truly believe you want to make change. >> Of course. >> I truly believe you're sincere. I don't think you're playing games. I think you're coming from a right place. So, to me, you know, sometimes also I wonder how serious people like you are to cause change versus actually be shock jock. >> Mhm. >> Like to say, "Hey, look at what I said and what it did." Cuz that's not going to get to the results. You know, like okay, so I get into the insurance space. I'm Armenian Assyrian from Iran. You know how many Middle Eastern CEOs there's in insurance space? None. >> Mhm. >> This is a you know, predominantly a white male that doesn't want others to get into it. The average agent when I started my own insurance company was a 57 58-year-old white male. >> Mhm. >> Okay? So, I get in. And I see things. I see Yeah, I don't agree with what they're doing. I don't agree with what they're doing. And then I realize, okay, there's two ways to go about it. At first, I went aggressive. >> Mhm. >> And I said, "Yeah, this is not cuz nobody wanted to talk." >> Right. >> Then I said, "If I really want to make a change, I got to change my approach." I changed my approach. You know how I got in front of >> Mhm. >> everybody? You know what ended up happening? We made change. You know who it positively impacted? The people that I wanted to see change take place in the business. Was I hated? Absolutely. Was I criticized? Absolutely. But I had to change my approach. So to me I see a lot of young talented guys that are coming up and and I ask myself, does Andre Johnson want to make change or does he want to go viral? Those are two different things. Because the way you talk and communicate, you're very talented and capable. Very, and you're only 25. I can only imagine what can happen with you at 35, 45. Truly positive change. Truly positive change. So uh uh something for you to think about. You know, do you want to sit down with a Tatum and talk to him? >> No. >> Or you don't. >> And I'll say this why. >> Would you want to sit down with a Stephen A. Smith and talk to him? >> No. >> Would you want to sit down with Cam Newton and talk to him? >> Oh, yeah, I'd like to sit. >> So tell me why the first two. >> [laughter] >> Because I think Cam exposes me to the audience of people I'm trying to get to. >> Okay. >> Andre Williams is not going to be able to change Brandon Tatum. Cuz I'm fighting an entirely different battle with that. >> But it's it's not a bad idea to get in front of his audience [clears throat] and make the argument. >> 1,000%. >> Wouldn't you want to do that? >> Here's what I want to do. >> Tell me. >> It comes to the and this is something I had to learn while doing this content for a year and a half. I can get the content to go viral by being aggressive. What I'm transitioning into and this is something I'm everyone's going to have to put me hold me accountable on this is going out there and being direct with the people on the ground. Like I said, when I go out and people come up to me, I love what you do. I love what you say. I love what you have to say. I mean, I might not like your delivery, but I love that you're saying something. So what that tells me is that now I really need to go out and talk to the actual people directly, not just the people who are watching and clicking and scrolling. This is why I'm saying that >> Yeah. >> I don't want to have a conversation with these people because there's nothing to change. I have more to change. >> be amazed. You would be amazed. >> Okay. >> I think you I'll take your word for it. You would be amazed. No, no, you would be amazed because if if So I got calls and I had a major heavyweight New York Times reported I can when I say major heavyweight, she's a Pulitzer Prize winner like a celebrated on the left type of a New York Times reporter. The types of person that maybe wouldn't like what I stand for and what you stand for, okay? She comes and she for a 30-minute meeting turns into 3 and 1/2 hours. What do you think about this person? What do you think about that person? I said, "Why don't you guys pay attention to what the 20-year-olds are saying?" >> [clears throat] >> Why why aren't you listening? Well, I don't think they're I said, "Do you Do you realize there are millions of people that agree with them?" And for you to discount them and not even entertain their ideas, you're you're making a big mistake cuz you have to hear what their frustration is and then from there say, "Okay, level of credibility on this issue, six. Level of credibility on this issue, nine and a half. Level of credibility on this issue, that's a complaint, three. This is a contradiction. This is actually a very good point, let's give it an eight." So, I think for you if you you you revealed one thing in this sit-down, you wouldn't mind being a mayor. You wouldn't mind being a governor. You wouldn't mind being a president one day if that opportunity comes along. You're 25. You're young. I can't wait to meet the 35-year-old Andre Johnson. I can't wait to meet Andre Williams. I can't wait to I thought about the wide receiver. I can't wait to talk to the 45-year-old Andre Williams to see what he's going to be doing. But I do think the the mindset of I don't care if I talk to him. I don't care about this. Get your message out there. Get your message out there and see where it lands. You never know. You never know. So, just some feedback for you. So, I actually really think I I want to see this guy and by the way, there's nothing wrong. You're you're going to be a better net positive to society the more money you make. I would like to see you make millions. You know why if you make millions what happens to you? If you make millions, wherever you live, the place wherever you live is going to be better anyways, because you're you're you're somebody. You said something to me before we even got started. You said your grandpa told you, "Wherever you go, um own a home, >> Mhm. >> maintain your area, meaning keep it clean, keep it safe, keep it all that." And the last thing you said was what? Uh stand out. No matter where you >> go. >> Well, you're standing out. You know, people are kind of seeing what you're doing. So, anyways, let me get to the last couple names here. I think at the space if we continue going this way, we're not wrapping this up today at all. >> [laughter] >> Okay. So, I did Charleston White. Cam Newton, one word. >> Simp. >> Simp? >> Yeah. >> You called Cam a simp? >> I didn't like his response to Charleston White talking about women. And I think this comes from a lot of black men. >> Uh-huh. >> These are queens. These black women are queens. If these heifers are the queens, what the [ __ ] does the witch look like? That's my real question. If they're the queens, [laughter] what the [ __ ] does the troll under the bridge look like? I'm just being honest. Because we have to examine it, because there's a there's black women have let themselves go. >> Yeah. >> Image quality. Black women, honestly, I love them. Wonderful. But there's so much that they have Huh? >> Your wife's black? >> So much that they have lost in themselves. How can you sit back and be proud to be a black woman? How can you call yourself a queen when your kingdom looks like a swamp? >> Mhm. >> The fake hair, the fake nails, the the lashes. Black women, not even have to go back to the '50s. I'm tired of the conservative talking point we have to go back to the '50s. You go back to the early '90s and 2000s, the '80s, if anything. Where are the Toni Braxtons? Where are the Lalah Hathaways? Where are the Whitney Houstons, the Janet Jacksons? We traded for Megan Thee Stallion and Sexy Red. We traded for the Cardi B's. We traded for all these other underground rappers who are trying to come up and they're portraying this image of I'm going to be a [ __ ] I'm going to be a loudmouth foul. That's what we traded for? That's how far we've come? We've come this far working so hard and and and struggling and building this level of resistance and being resilient. So we can sit back and play in the mud like pigs. We sat back and tried to walk and be upright. So we can roll around in That's where we are as a people and that's where black women are. So his response talking about black women and just you know, we see so much of mama's boys. I call them mama's boy. Cuz they love their mama. Black men I put that on my mama. Put [ __ ] on my mama. Put anything on God. I am a man of faith if anything. I'm not putting anything on my mother or my father. [ __ ] want to put anything on their father or their kids. I put that on my mama. I put that on my grandmama. Who speaks like that? No, if you're of worth and of value, your word and your deed means everything. I don't need to put anything on anyone other than God if anything. O.J. Simpson killer Lewis Hamilton good good good Really? >> No. >> You're [laughter] a bad Hamilton. Okay, I wouldn't have guessed that one. Neil deGrasse Tyson >> smart >> Okay. Thomas Sowell >> great >> Bill Clinton >> black >> Yeah, only [ __ ] will bring the hoes to work. That's the first black president. >> Was Bill Clinton? >> Only a [ __ ] will bring his [ __ ] to work. >> [laughter] >> That's what I always say. Obama was the second black president. >> Clinton was the first. >> Well, that's maybe he takes it as >> Did you see him play the saxophone? >> Yeah. >> That's a black man right there. >> That's on Arsenio Hall he did. [laughter] You're right. And it was actually pretty good by the way. >> pretty good, yeah. >> Respect. At least him his uh All right, final thoughts before we wrap up. What do you want to share with the audience? Final thoughts. >> One, it's fantastic to be here, being able to speak with you. I have learned a lot. What you said made me really think about where I'm going and where I need to go, more importantly. Um there's a lot that needs to be done in the black community. Like I said, I'm not perfect. But the goal is to inspire more black people to speak up. I always say this, there's three things I do with my content. One, piss off [ __ ] I'm always going to piss off [ __ ] I want them to be angry. I want them to be irritated that I'm saying something about the problem. Two, is to have a conversation with black people who may not like my delivery, who may be offended at what I'm saying, but they know that I'm right. They refuse to say it. But having a conversation, I would say 80% of the time, they end up agreeing or having a different perspective of me in the end. And finally, is speaking to the black people and Americans in general that know what the problem is, but are afraid to speak up. And are sitting back examining how we are and knowing that we can be better, inspiring them to do better and to speak on these issues openly and honestly. That's my goal and that's my purpose. >> Great. Where can people find you? >> Find me on Instagram at Andre Williams USA underscore currently. Find me on YouTube at Andre Williams US, Facebook at Andre Williams US, and on Instagram, excuse me, on X at Andre Williams. >> We're going to put all of that below for people to go find you. But it was great speaking you, learning more about you, buddy. >> Fantastic. >> Great having you on. Thank you for your time. >> Appreciate it. Hi, I'm Andre Williams, constantly critical of black culture, black fatigue, calling out the problems within our community across this country. If you want to reach out to me, you can reach me on Mnect.