“Harder Than A 9-5 Job!” Stable Ronaldo on Making $400,000/Month & Losing Everything

Failure is the biggest way to become successful in life. I think you have to lose everything to gain everything. >> Today I'm building a oneofone GT3 RS. People are like streaming isn't harder than a 9 to5. When I was playing video games having fun, it wasn't overnight. I spent 4 years making no money. Like I'm talking like zero money to then finally achieving money. It's all luck at the end of the day to an extent, but it's also the grind. Like you're not going to get lucky sitting in your bedroom doing nothing. So when did you first start making real money then? Right after I won that tournament, it was quickly where I was making like a million in a year. Like it was like off the bat. >> Are you crazy? >> How do you come up with all these ideas? Every second that you're not trying to one up yourself, there's someone out there in the world that's doing that. >> So what would you say is the best and worst investment you've ever made? >> Uh my cat. >> Huh? >> He made me millions of dollars. He made me millions of dollars. I'm serious. How? >> Wait, buddy. No, he's just he's he's just nervous. >> So, why did FaZe kick out a bunch of members? >> Ronaldo, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour. Really appreciate it. What car did you pull up here in? >> An Uber. >> An Uber. See, we were expecting you to pull up in some like crazy super car. >> That was the first thing you told me. >> Yeah. I thought you were going to be driving the Porsche. for if you if if I came in the Porsche, you would have heard it. I'm talking about I have the loudest Porsche. Sure. >> You modified it? Yeah. What did you do to it? >> So, I put like a $20,000 exhaust onto it. It's like uh my friend, he works at R1 and he put like this crazy exhaust, but it's like the loudest one in California. I'll take the full credit for that. I don't care. >> Do you not get pulled over? >> No, it's a it's registered in New Jersey. I flew in from New Jersey every time I get pulled over. No, I came for the weekend. >> Are you nervous saying that like here on being posted online? Yeah, >> there's no way to prove it. I came here for the weekend. Why do you like cars? Um, it's my form of therapy. I think other people like have different forms of therapy and uh personally like when I started getting into cars, I just I fell in love with it. I fell in love with like the culture and then like driving is just fun to me. Like some people I I don't know. What do you like? What do you like to do? Pickle ball. Yeah. See, I could never do pickle ball. Like pickle ball is athletic. I'd run out of breath. So >> I get the appeal with cars. That used to be my therapy. Yeah, I used to have a Lotus Elise and then upgraded to a Lotus Exe. This is years ago, but I used to take it down Sunset through the Malibu Canyons. >> That's where I go. >> Yeah, >> he's being humble. He has a Ford GT as well. >> Yeah, this was years ago. >> Oh my god. Wait, now talk to me. What other cars do you have? >> Uh 2010 Tesla Roadster. So, it's like the OG Tesla Roadster and then a Lotus Avora GTC. >> Oh my god. >> Oh, so he makes money money. >> No. No. So he justifies it cuz he tries to buy the cars that will go up in value. He's like >> that's what everyone says. >> Finance max. Well, how much did you pay for the 4GT? >> I paid 306 for >> What did you buy? What year? >> Uh that was 2021. >> Now it's probably worth about 425 430 give or take. So I I made 50%. >> How many own drive it? Cuz I drive my That's the thing. >> Well, he was even hesitant to drive it to get his marriage license signed. Like he was like, "Do I do it, Jack? It's down on the Vegas strip. Like I'm I'm concerned about that. >> See, I buy cars to drive them, though. That's the thing. Like I've had My first car was like a Tesla Model X. That was like when I was like 17. That was my first car. >> And then I had an Audi RSQ8 and then I drove the [ __ ] out of that. Almost broke it. And then I bought a Porsche and then a BMW. And then the Porsche GC3 RS and then a Mercedes. So I heard on a podcast that you say you like to spend 10% or less of your income on cars. >> Oh, okay. >> Where did that come up? Um, so I've always known like the rule of thumb is if like if you make like $1,000, you shouldn't spend more than like $100. You know what I'm saying? $10,000, you shouldn't spend $1,000. Like you could always spend more, it doesn't matter. But the way I view it is like if I make like $50,000 in a month, like I shouldn't be spending more than like 5 to10,000 a month on a car, whether that be like financing, leasing, but that comes with like cuz you also have gas, you also have insurance, you also have all that. So I kind of added it all together in like one. That's kind of how I am. car or is that just fun expenses in general? >> Um, it's kind of a mixture. The thing is I I cut a lot of my expenses. Like I like when I was like I would say relevant to like the last year and a half like when my stuff started to really like elevate like my career. Um, when I started making like hundreds of thousands a month, it was more or less like I stopped buying a lot of but I used to buy like a lot like I used to spend like $30 $40,000 a month on like clothes. >> Are you serious? Yeah. >> How How do you spend $40,000 a month? >> You buy You have an AX. He's just It's I I know. >> But you have to pay the bill >> and you have to wear the clothes like >> But the thing is I stopped like I sort this shirt I bought like 2 years ago. >> Yeah. But walk us back though. What would you spend $40,000 a month on? >> I mean food, clothes, uh gifts. I'm I'm a gift giver. I like buying for other people. >> Yeah. But I mean I buy food. I buy clothes occasionally on >> You'd be surprised. You you you go into Cardier and my girlfriend wants matching ring. I'm like, "Okay, let's get matching rings. It's $10,000 for both rings. So, it's like I don't do that no more. >> Yeah. But at the time, what was the logic behind it? Were you just not worried about money or was it just you knew you're going to make more soon? >> Um, honestly, that's a good question. I feel like I was never worried about money. Not just because I had money. I just always knew that I could figure out a way to get money. And that goes back to like when I was younger, like when I was like 15, like I was figuring out ways to make money. Like I just I said it, you know? >> So, you >> I regret that. I regret spending that much money. like I don't I don't do anywhere close to that no more. >> You knew you were going to be successful at a young age. >> Yeah. >> And how did you have that confidence if you had no evidence for the confidence? >> Um well, when I was in school, I was like, "Okay, I can't do anything in life. I I'm not smart enough." I had a 2.1 GPA in high school. Um I had about 500, no exaggeration, I think it was like 400 or I don't know, it was like in the hundreds of missing assignments for because I graduated COVID year, >> but I was still in school. And like I don't know, but I knew I wasn't going to go to school. I was like, "It's impossible. I couldn't get into college. There's no way." My mom didn't think I was going to get to college, but she didn't care. Um, but I knew I was going to be successful in something because like I used to flip like Supreme and like sneakers and like all this and I would have like $300 and I turn into like 5,000 in like two weeks. >> So, you're like making money. >> Yeah. I used to do that [ __ ] when I was like 15. Like I was flipping shoes for like Yeezys and all that. Like I was figuring out ways to get like a bundle of Yeezys. How do you learn how to do that? >> Boredom. >> So that was your evidence that you could be successful later in life. >> I just knew I could figure out a way to make money. That's that's how my mom was too. Like she like I just knew I could make money somehow. And I got lucky though with the internet. I'll be honest. >> So do you think that you need to be smart to be a good streamer? >> No. >> But doesn't it doesn't it involve like building a business? Like to build a business to make money to be entrepreneurial you I feel like you have to be some sort of intelligent. >> I would say there's different levels of intelligence. There's books smart, there's like street smart, there's like you know you could be business smart like and the and I think business smart is different from like books smart because it's like anyone can like like there's different like you I'm sure you might be able to figure out math equations better than me or something like that and then I might figure out something different. You know what I'm saying? Like I think school though it's like I didn't learn a single thing that helped me now at all. >> I felt the exact same way. I think I had worse grades than you too in school. Dude, I I I I genuinely, no exaggeration, I don't remember a single thing from school. >> So, you think some streamers then are kind of dumb? >> I think most streamers are kind of dumb, but there's different dumbs. Like, it's the same thing. It's like there's streamers that are probably dumber than me that make more money or figure out ways to make better content. Like, there's there's levels to a lot of things, but I definitely think I'm not like I don't take myself for an idiot, but like when it comes to like books and like you know, like school stuff like and all that. Yeah. I'm not I couldn't tell you. I think some people are a little too smart for their own good and they tend to overthink things which then leads them to have like analysis paralysis and they don't even move. They don't have action because they're thinking about all the negative potential consequences of going out and trying something. >> Well, that's that's that's like a big thing. It's like a lot I feel like a lot of people, not just streamers and including myself, um like they're scared to fail. And I feel like that's like one of the most things that I found success in is like when I failed a lot of times it's where I found my peaks. Like when I first started streaming, I streamed for like 3 years and I had like two viewers. I was playing video games like when I was 16 when I when I was flipping clothes and all that and I didn't find success in it, but I kept doing it. And then I finally found a win where I was a competitive gamer for Fortnite and I won a tournament and that's how I made like my first bundle of money. And then that's when I started having viewership. Co came in, I had viewership, then I lost it all and that's where I failed again. Like I it's like a crazy story. It's it goes in detail. But like when I failed again, I like people were telling me like, "Oh, like I peaked or whatever." Like cuz you know how the internet is once you peak, some people just forget about you. That's it. But when I failed again, I was like, "Okay, I want to I had the drive to keep going again." That's how I I'm peaking now, you know? So it's like, >> how did you get so good at video games? >> I've always been good at video games. >> How? >> Because a lot of people like play video games and I'll argue they're wasting their time. Like they could be doing anything else productive. So why did you do video games? get good at it and make like hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm really honest. >> Hundreds of thousands, >> right? It was man from video games. From video games. I get it. >> Yeah. From video games. 200 grand. Um, so when I first started playing video games, I started playing like Call of Duty and like I was blowing people out of the like at my age like everyone was just going on now. >> Um, no, but I was really like really like advanced for my age. Like everyone always says like, "Oh, I could have gone pro and COD." Like all the all kids say that. Like they're like, "Oh, I'm so good at Call of Duty or whatever." But like I was really good. I was better at games than other people. Like even to this day, you know, like FaZe Adapt, I don't know if y'all know who that is. He was a Call of Duty pro basically with Quick Scope and I beat him still to this day, right? I'm better than him at video games and I'll always be better than him. >> So it's just a natural talent. >> Natural talent. Yeah. >> But you think most people that play video games are probably just burning time basically? >> Yeah. It's hard to say cuz I have like friends in real life and I watch them play video games and I'm like, "Oh, okay." Like you look like you have no clue what the you're doing. You know what I'm saying? So it's like certain people I think don't have it and they want it but they can't get it. But >> I don't know like competitive is a whole different story. Like playing casually and competitive is like crazy difference. Like when you were saying like the 200,000 when I won >> Yeah. like >> explain that by the way for people that So I won a tournament um back in 2019 I want to say 2019 in December um it was called FNCS it's like Fortnite basically has this competitive series that they do Fortnite competitive series I think it's what it's called FNCS and every single like three months they host like a big tournament where millions of people can try to qualify to win hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions um they're actually doing one this weekend for like2 million dollars. I don't play anymore, but um and I was it was like one of the first FNCS's and I was really good and I had a team with me and there was like millions of people who tried to qualify and only I think it was [ __ ] I think it was like 20 teams of four. So the the format was like four people in one group and there was 20 teams or something like that or or 25 teams like 100 players total and we ended up qualifying for it. So like top 100 out of like millions and then when when it's the top 100 it's obviously the best of the best and then we won that tournament and that was like two it was like $200,000 split for four people and that was your first real grasp at like attention online because you were streaming beforehand but after this event and winning the event obviously people are going to be wondering like who are these people that won the event and then maybe your viewership started to go up a little bit. >> Oh yeah like that was my boost and everything that was like before co too. So like it it kind of like it was like a butterfly effect. Like once I won that the internet like found out who I was, I started averaging like 100 viewers. >> How much do you make when you average 100 viewers on Twitch? >> So it's funny. I was making like It depends. It It's all based on hours. So like if you stream like a 100 hours with 100 viewers, you could probably make around like three to $4,000 a month, $5,000 a month, which is amazing. >> So 100 hours in a month. >> Yeah. So that's that's like a What's that wage then? And that's like what 30 30 bucks an hour, 40 bucks an hour. So you should just do that like 8 hours every single day like a normal job and you can be making 70 80k. >> It's crazy because it was so funny. I got offered by Facebook when I was averaging 100 viewers. It was like right when I started becoming a thing. They offered me like 17k a month at like 17 or 18, however old I was. And it was like I don't know how much that is a year. Someone do the math. >> 200 something grand. >> Booksmart. Yeah. uh $200 something thousand dollar a year like 17 and this is before I knew I could I was going to make money but uh I remember I was talking to my mom I I declined it and I wasn't even making 17k a month at that time I was just like there's just better opportunities but yeah it was crazy cuz I would have I never I would have never been here >> so they wanted you to go to exclusive on Facebook >> they wanted to take me to Facebook for 17k a month and I was like no I wasn't even making like 1/4 of that but I was just like I don't know I had a feeling that I could do something So, when did you first start making real money then? >> What's real money? >> Like like to the point of, you know, probably like 100k like I mean 100k a year. 100k a year. But I'm also going to sound completely like detached real money from cuz that's 100k a year still is like insane. But I'm just saying in terms of in terms of like in terms of streaming changed I'm just saying you see clips of people saying, "Oh yeah, making like 200k a month or 100k a month." When were when did you start making like a couple hundred grand a year? When did when did it really take off? I would honestly say right after I won that tournament when I started to get exposure, I started to stream way more and streaming is like quick. So it's like people come in and they leave. They might never come again. So it's like but co happened as soon as that happened. As soon as I won and that's where like everyone was on the internet, that's where everyone was on Twitch. Um I honestly started seeing hundreds of thousands almost instantly after I won that. It was like very quick because it was like I had months where I was making 30,000 right after that. Then it was like 40,000 then it'd be like 30,000 and then it'd be like 60,000 and then you get to quarter 3, quarter four of the year and it's like 70,000 a month, 80,000 a month and I remember Christmas it was like 110 and then this is before sponsors like >> it was it was quickly where I was making like a million in a year like it was like off the bat almost and that's where I was like I feel like it was like a blessing in disguise. Well, was not taking that Facebook deal because it was like almost instantly after. >> But I imagine going from someone that wasn't earning that much when you, you know, you were in your teens and whatnot. >> I had really good grasps of money and I think that has to do with my family like my mom cuz I I've seen my mom like work multiple jobs for me and try to put up like food on the table, etc. So like I never was the type to like spend like when I first got when I got my first check, the $50,000 that I won from the 200, I offered it to her. I actually wrote her a letter and tried giving it to her. She declined it. Um, and then I upgraded my computer so I could play better and stream better. Um, but I did buy Off-White Jordan ones. That was my first >> How much did those cost? >> Those were like 3,000 at the time, but I still have them. Those were like my trophy. That was the only stupid thing I bought when I first made money. But everything else I kept. Like I remember seeing in my bank. I'd look at my bank and I'd be like, "Yo, this has $47,000." And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm like 17." I'm like, "Oh man." >> And what about taxes? So, you thinking about taxes, filing, how you >> At first, I wasn't cuz I was like $40,000. I was like I was like, I'm going to try to skip taxes low key. I did I did pay my I pay my taxes. I pay my taxes, everything. I paid more than what I owe just cuz I love the government. So, I made the $50,000 and when I made the $50,000, I would look at it, but I would never spend it. 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By the way, you shouldn't have money in your bank, >> but I would always like seeing it. >> And then when like I started seeing like $50,000 come in, like $100,000 come in, etc., I would just I I literally never spent money. the the only thing I bought as soon as I made I think it was $300,000 which took me like four months, 5 months, I uh I bought the house that my mom was living in, I paid it off and now I just let her have it. So basically, but that house right now is from $300,000 now it's worth like half a million. So yeah, when I'm ready to kick her out. Now when I was doing research for this, I've seen a lot of these videos like the rise and fall and then the rise back up again. What's it like having those videos made? >> Oh, I mean, >> do you watch them? >> I if you know my story, like this could be like a 30-minute just talk of just my story. I a lot of people I feel like respect me a little bit more than like a lot of people only because I was like really high up. Like I peaked like crazy during co like everyone knew me on Fortnite. Everyone knew me on Twitch in a sense. Like they just knew who I was and I was seeing numbers that I never seen before. Like people were talking about me like, "Yo, this guy's the new XQC, the new biggest streamer, whatever it is, because I was averaging like 30,000 viewers out of nowhere." Then it'd be like 60,000. There'd be like 70,000, which is insane on Twitch. That's like top 00001. That's like top five on Twitch basically at the time. And then it just slowly started to decline over time when COVID went away, when Fortnite became less big. And I also lost like hope in playing the game. Like I got bored, I got depressed, etc. I had a lot of happen to me in life and that's kind of where it like flatlined. And there's a website if you go, it's called Twitch Tracker. You could literally see it if you want. And if you type my name in, you could see the line go up and then down like crazy and then it went back up again cuz I was like, I got to get up. You know what I'm saying? >> But then how are you okay making, you know, like I'm guessing when you're averaging 60,000 viewers, like you could be making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. Yes. >> And then you see that decline and then you see your revenue numbers. I went from making around I could probably if I had a laptop I could literally pull it up and show you. Um I went from making I would say an average of like 60 to like 120,000 a month just on Twitch for like a good year and a half and then right as it started decline it went from like 60 to 40 grand a month then 20 grand a month then 10 grand a month and then two like I had a month where I made two grand a month like I >> How were you okay seeing those numbers? I wasn't >> I wasn't I was I was spending around I I I lived in LA at the time alone. Um and obviously my numbers go down friends stop hitting you up certain people like friends I thought I had like you know aren't my real friends family like different type of thing past relationships you know what I'm saying um there was a lot that happened but I lived alone and I had my my rent my rent was like 5,000 a month at the time. [ __ ] Taria by the way in Burbank. That place is $5,000 a month and I lived in a little square. It was the worst [ __ ] ever. I love living there lowkey, but it was not worth it. Um, but I was paying like $5,000 a month and then my expenses like when I I would go shopping, I I'd get depressed shopping. People do that or like buy food or whatever. I was spending more than I was making a month. So, I was noticing a decline in my bank like really quick. And at the time, I don't want to sound like out of touch, but like at the time I had likeund60 grand, 200 grand in my bank, but I was losing like 10 to 20 grand a month. So, you see it just running out. >> So, I was really I was running out, which is, by the way, I know that's a lot of money. That's that's that's a lot of money. It's my fault I lost the money. I whatever, right? However, this gets cut up and they're like, "Oh, be grateful." Um, but no, I would see money I would see money start to go down and I'm like I'm I have text with my mom where I was like I'm I was like I don't know what to do. And then I literally just stopped spending money at all and I lived off like 160 grand. I barely moved anything for like 4 months. And then I was like I got to stream again. I got to do this again. And I found love in streaming though. It was really fun. I I truly like it sounds corny cliche but like genuinely like I never did it for money. Like I genuinely liked streaming. That was the craziest part because I always wanted to be an online entertainer. So when I had the opportunity for it, I was like, "Oh, this is amazing. This is everything I ever wanted." That's why I I really don't look about how much money I make now. I know how much money I make now. But like I don't I it doesn't phase me no more. Like I you'll have people will go crazy if like you make 100 grand a month and the next month you make 90. Oh, I failed. You know what I'm saying? Cuz it's like how did I not reach the same level? I don't care about this. >> How do you make sure you're not overspending? >> Uh I don't buy I don't buy a lot of stuff. >> So your default just don't spend it. Oh, I don't I don't buy a lot. >> How much do you think you personally spend per month? >> Oh, I know how much I spend. I have my Amex I like >> How much do you spend? >> Last month I spent 10,000 on my AX, which is a lot. Yes, it's a lot. >> That's actually not that bad. I was I was talking about for like business expenses, too. >> So, yeah, not with business expenses, but like I don't really count this cuz it's like right off. You know what I'm saying? But like, so my employees, I have someone who who gets paid around like 5,000. I have my YouTube editor who takes I think it's like 30% of my YouTube because he does the thumbnails. He does the editing, he does the posting, he finds the whatever it is. >> Um, I have my Tik Tok person who takes around like I think it's like 40% of my TikTok cuz I just let him have it cuz it makes good money and then I pay him on top of that. >> But business expenses, not including the percent, I only spend like 10k a month on like employees, too. So, it's like if I have 10k a month employees, 10k a month, that's $20,000. >> That's light compared to how much you're making. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, I would say so. And it's but it's also like tax related. You know what I'm saying? It's like it is. It's >> It's going to help you make more money. >> I mean, we spend more than that on business expenses for the iced coffee hour per month. Way more. Oh my gosh. Each episode when we like break down the cost to produce, it's way higher. And had you told me this like 5 years ago, I'd be like, "Dude, don't let's not do it." >> The thing is there's certain days or there's certain months where like investing into content too. Like I I I use that on my AX, but like most of that money, the 10,000 a month is from my content. Like I really don't buy clothes at all. Like I don't or I don't buy jewelry. I don't buy none of that stuff. Um, but the $10,000 like for instance, like a good example is I just did this Elden Ring thing. I don't know if you guys know Elden Ring is. I played it last month and I spent around like 30 to 40,000. No, I think it was 30,000 on building the set where I did only a white room where I couldn't leave the room. It was just white where I couldn't leave the room until I beat Elden Ring. And and I put $30,000 into that, which is People be like, "Oh, you're investing $30,000 into content. That's kind of crazy." But the return was like $80 to $90,000. So I tripled for what I put in. So, it's like it it pays off for like what you do. >> How do you come up with all these ideas? >> I gotta say I I feel like streaming is one of the hardest things when it comes to >> Thank you. No, it's harder than a 9 to5. Thank you. >> I used to go live once a week years ago and it was tough to be live for an audience and constantly have to be on and that was for like an hour and a half. >> I like this. I like this. anyone can the argument is by the way you can make this into a funny clip however you want cuz I'm serious about this too people are like streaming isn't harder than a 9 to5 there's different ways by the way I'm telling you I'm he might be giggling I'm >> I'm telling you it is hard and I give credit to people cuz I want to see people do it people are like oh I could become a streamer so do it so become a streamer okay so I'm going to make the argument that streaming is harder than a 9 toive five because if you're not at the top of your game every single minute, >> your entire career falls off >> every second. >> A 9 to5 you could technically skirt by doing the bare minimum. If you did that on streaming, no one would watch. >> The only argument people have when they say 9 to5 is harder or easier. Yeah, they say streaming is easier than 9 to5. The only argument is like, oh, I see what you do on stream. I could do that, too. But how did I get to this point? How did I get to this point? >> I recommend anybody do that. When they say like, "Oh, YouTube videos are so easy." Absolutely do it. 100% I recommend doing it. >> So easy. Do it. It's free. You could I could you could literally start a stream right now. >> Here's where the argument turns though is when they say a 9 to5 is hard relative to how much you make. And so when you look at like the hour to hour >> uh payment that you get. It's like well yeah I would do that if I was making millions of dollars a year. >> For sure. But also the people that say they would do it if they got paid millions they don't understand. Like there's always comparisons. They're like oh do you not understand a 9 to5? you're not you're not making as much money and like how can you be sad as a millionaire is the argument always or whatever it's like that but it's like when you're in the position you understand the position more similar to a 9 to5 it's like if I was working a 9 to5 I would understand the position more so people who say people who work 9 to5s or whatever which by the way >> that has never streamed >> yeah that's what I'm saying there's no shame in working sorry for the saying the slur a job um there you know what I'm saying like is that is that a slur I don't know >> we don't say that word here >> no but for seriously anyone who works a job. There's like I it I would understand their position if I worked their job. The same way they have no input on my position because they've never worked my job to my level. It's the same thing. It's like if if I if they want me if people want me to respect a 9 to5, which I do, they have to respect what I do. That's the thing is they they don't they see entertainers as like puppets or it's like it's easy, etc. It's like it's not it's not easy. Like to get to your guys' position, how you built your podcast, it wasn't overnight. You know what I'm saying? Same thing with me. When I was playing video games, having fun, it wasn't overnight. I spent four years making no money. Like, I'm talking like zero money to then finally achieving money. But like most people, they'll be like, "Oh, year one, I don't make money. Oh, should I quit? Year two, I don't make money. Oh, I'm done." >> You know what I'm saying? It's the It's the meme of the guy with the diamond pickaxe in the mine. You know what I'm saying? He's right. He's right there. It's like, >> so, how do you come up with ideas? Because the difficulty with streaming that I've noticed is you have to keep like one uping yourself. And if you if you elevate the problem and you stay there, then people get bored. >> The problem is there's people doing it right now as I speak that are trying to oneup me right now. Whether they're small, whether they're big, they want there the saying is there's not like a saying, but it's like uh I guess like a good way like an example of this is like when you look at YouTubers back in the day, they're inspiring like kids, right? Like Roman Atwood, he's inspire a great example is literally Kaisenat right now. So he just Kaisa just had Roman Atwood. But Roman Atwood made vlogs for entertainment, right? He didn't realize he was entertaining Kaisen and that's what he was talking about. And now look where Kaisat is. Someone who was chasing that. Like right now there's someone who probably watches me who wants to be better than me. You know what I'm saying? Like not they don't want to be better than me in a way like oh I want to be better than Ron. But they're like they want to be a YouTuber. They want to be a streamer. And realistically there's probably going to be someone that's more successful than me who watches me or who knows who I am. So, it's like every second that you're not trying to one up yourself, there's someone out there in the world that's doing that. So, how do you come up with ideas, dude? I mean, it's really just reformatting like other people's ideas. I wouldn't I'm not going to sit here and say I'm super creative, but like I I do think that's how the internet is now. I feel like everyone has done a lot of things and it's just reformatting it in your own ways. And I think that's the whole point of entertainment is like people are like, "Oh, you steal content or you copy content." Like when I did Elden Ring, people were like, "Oh, um, XQC has done this. Kaisenat has done this or whatever. You just stole their idea because it did good." I was like, in a way, I was like, "Yeah, it does good on the internet." Like, I got inspired, right? People don't like to use that word inspired because they don't believe in that. You know what I'm saying? They think it's just I copy. I copy copy copy. But then I was like, "Okay, I I had this idea with one of my business people who when I was saying like my employees who helps me with ideas. Um, he basically plans my whole month, but we had an idea where that we wanted to stream in a white room where I literally didn't read my chat. I didn't have my phone for five days. I didn't know what time it was. And literally it was going to be nothing. Like I'm talking like it literally would have just been like a surveillance cam of just nothing for 5 days. Just me sitting in the room. And then I thought about I was like, why don't I play Elden Ring in the White Room and I can't leave it until I be Elen Ring. And and I look on like YouTube, I look on places and no one's ever done that. So, it was like my own spin-off and I think that's where I found success in that, you know, like nobody nobody has done it. But like creating ideas, I feel like it I don't know. It's like how did you guys create a podcast? Like there was podcast before, you know what I'm saying? It's like you you have to create your own spin off it. Like whether it be like talking about finances or talking about like things that people don't get to see, you know? It's like questions like that. But I I don't know. I wouldn't say I'm the most creative, but I'm definitely creative in a sense that like anything gets put in front of me, like I can turn it into something, you know? So, I don't know if that answers your question. >> Yeah. I'm also curious. We we spoke about, you know, expenses and then how you're reinvesting back into things. We spoke about cars. Another thing is watches cuz we did see that you wore a uh in your engagement photo, you're wearing an AP Royal Oak skeleton. >> I'm not actually engaged. You >> Well, I Yeah, I don't see it. >> It was a promise ring. I forgot to wear it. I'm not going to lie. I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see a ring there. I'm curious. Is it real? Yes. >> I have all the receipts. So, that watch I believe is around like 120 130. Um, it's a 38 mm, I believe. I could be wrong. I I think it's 38 or 39. I forget. Um, but I have all the boxes. I have all the papers. >> How did you get it? >> I actually got it certificated or whatever from AP cuz I went there. Where'd you buy it? >> Uh, through a friend. His name is Zoms. He sells watches to like streamers. He sells watches like XQC. He sells watches to all these people. He's very legit. He gets all of his watches from the places and he gives good deals. But yeah, it was 120,000 130,000. But I don't really wear it that much cuz I'm scared to wear it. But I have insurance on it. So if anyone wants to come rob me, go ahead. Take it off my I have insurance. >> Why buy that one? Are you big watch? >> Um I always wanted an AP. Okay. And then I always wanted the obviously the open work like the skeleton look and I love rose golds. I think it's good with my skin. And I remember one day I actually have a picture I think I tweeted before where one of my friends let me wear his and I was like but I told myself uh whenever I buy my first watch or not my first watch but I told myself whenever I buy my first AP I want it to be that one and I want it to be like during a special event and that was I bought that watch after last year actually funny enough literally today basically like 30 it was like in October around but we we streamed you know FaZe Clan we we streamed 30 days straight 24/7 last September, which would be right now. And then after that, I found so much success in that, I was like, you know what, bro? I'm just going to buy my dream watch. >> So, how much money do you spend on watches? >> Um, right now I have the Batgirl Rolex 2025. That was a gift from Los Polo. Shout out to Los Polos. I beat him in a 1v one on Fortnite for it. >> I gave him 99 kill leads where he had 90. He had to kill me once. I had to come 100 times. I beat him. >> Um, so he gave me that. Uh, Steve will do it gave me the Rolex Starbucks. um the green dial one. Um I had I don't even remember. I have a Rolex. I forget which one that Clicks bought me. Um it's just like a Datejust, I believe. Um and then I also have a Cardier I get gifted a lot of watches. I have a Cardier skeleton. Um it's the black Santos, the black one. Um that was gifted to me by Jason, my friend in Faze Clan. Um and then I bought my mom an AP. It's a white I forget what it was. It's like 36 mm. It's like a white face. I I don't know what it is, but it was like 30 something thousand I bought that >> and then I bought my watch. So, >> that's a solid collection. You need a PC though. >> I know. I' I've recently started to get into them cuz I saw someone wear and I was like I didn't really understand them. I thought they were like I was like looking at them. I'm like >> I'm like brother, >> they look pretty plain. >> Yeah, I was going to say they look plain but I I I like it. It's like a piece. It's like a status piece. like you pull it. It's like, okay. >> If someone paid you $100,000 for one year to only wear an Apple Watch 24/7, would you? >> Yes. >> What about $500,000 for one year to only ever drive a Toyota Prius? >> Can I drive my car for fun on the weekend? >> No. Just You can only drive a Toyota Prius for $500,000 a year. Would you do it? >> Yes, I would do it. >> Why not? A car is a car. A car gets you from point A to point B. Cuz you love cars. I do love cars, but I also >> would do for would you do it for 100 grand? >> No. >> There we go. >> No, I I I I honestly think like that's actually a good point. Like funny enough, like joking around with that, but like going into a point like when I bought my car, I people are like, "Oh, you bought a car to be flash. You bought a car to be stupid." I bought it cuz it's like unironically like that's my life. Like I love driving cars to the point where if I have to spend a stupid amount amount of money on a car, it's not stupid to me cuz like that's what makes me happy. That's what gives me a drive. Like when I was talking about like my fall off or whatever and then I started to come back, my goal was always to buy a Porsche 911. Um, and then on my 21st birthday, I bought a GT3 and I was like, I bought it and I was like, this is the stupidest ever. But it drove me, play on words, >> it drove me to like make more money and be and work harder cuz I was like, okay, I have this car now. I have to upkeep the car. You know what I'm saying? Like I have to work. I have to keep going. And that that kind of that's what drives me in life is cars. I swear. >> It's interesting. A lot of people are motivated by like spending all their money down and then they got to make it back. Yeah. I mean to me it's stupid as but like it's not materialistic stuff for me. Like it really isn't. It's it's unironically it's like how I have a drive in life. Like I swear like if you told me I'm an idiot for buying a car, I wouldn't believe you cuz it it makes me want to work harder. It makes me enjoy life. Like I drive my car every single weekend to Irvine, California or like Laguna Beach or Newport just to like that's how I enjoy my life, you know. Now, in terms of streaming, how much is authentic versus like manufactured for the clip? And one of the hardest parts about eating healthy is actually having good food ready when you need it. 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So, you know, this this doesn't come easily and you get free premium meals for life. Again, that is cookity.com/ic free with the link down below in the description. Thank you so much, Cookity, for sponsoring this podcast. >> So, that's a good question. Um, I'm the same person off cam on cam. I promise you. >> And you can ask a lot of different people that. Um there's some points where it's kind of dangerous. And I think it's it goes back to like high school. I was always kind of like autistic basically. Like I would run around and just Sorry if that offends any. I would run around and just do stupid or like just be annoying or whatever it might be. And it it's still here to this day. Like for instance, like we got swatted once at the house and there's no cameras by the way. We all go outside, there's no cameras. And one of my friends was reaching in his like pocket for his like ID to show the cop. And I was like screaming like there's no cameras. I was like he's screaming. He I was like he's reaching for a gun. He's reaching for a >> You said that? >> Yeah. Off camera. Cuz that's just who I am. Like I just I joke. >> What if he got like you know >> he's not going to get it was a joke. But like the cops the cops are cool. >> Like I the thing is I feel like a lot of people nowadays like streamers >> like try to form clips. Like they really do. And like I made a saying once it was a joke. I said I am the clip. Like that was like the joke. I I really don't like intentionally farm clips. Like it just naturally happens. Like I've never paid a clipper. I don't know if you know that. People pay clippers for TikTok. I've never done that. Like stuff naturally happens. And I think that's why people also enjoy me. It's cuz I don't fake who I am. I also think it's very easy to see who is fake and who's not when you watch streamers. Like I'm I'm sure you guys have watched entertainers and like, "Okay, he's putting on an act for like kids or he's putting on an act for people, whatever it might be." And then you probably watch people who are like you're fans of I'm sure because you're like they're authentic. Like I I think it all goes to that. Like if you're authentic off camera on camera is going to be the same. >> Are you are you autistic? >> I think so. A little bit. I have ADHD. I don't know if that's a counter. >> You know what? We all kind of think we have a little bit of autism. I think >> I think it's just a product of like, you know, scrolling on your phone all the time. How could you not? You know, >> I think we're all autistic. Honestly, I think I think autism and ADHD I don't even believe doctors are real, bro. Like I think I lowkey think like the doctors made it so we have to like uh diversify autism and ADHD. What if we all have it? You know what I'm saying? Like >> then no one has it. >> You could have Down syndrome. >> I I really could. Yeah. I think if anything that he probably does. >> I've looked up the symptoms for autism and I'm like I hit a lot of these things, right? What do you call them? >> No, I do too. I think we all >> I get obsessed on these like little niche topics and for me it just happened to be YouTube and finance and like reef aquarium. That's definitely the most brilliant people in the world are all tested like they are like they they're just creative and that's where I think I have a little bit of something cuz it's like >> you're the most brilliant person. >> I'm up there. I'm getting there close. >> But you have to have an obsession but then treat it so seriously that's all you think about. Oh, you have that level of >> that's how you become successful. It's like it doesn't happen because you believe in it. Like you have to sit there and believe in it like >> Yeah. >> I don't know. So if you are the clip then what are the top three Ronaldo clips of all time? >> Um the pay phone one that happened when I was actually right before I won FNCS even. Um I was singing Payphone and somehow this clip generated billions of still to this day and people love it. >> You probably so I had to look it up. I've never heard of it and I and I found the video and it was like tens of millions. >> Oh no. his videos taken down like on the original one on YouTube had like 40 to 50 but it got taken down for copyright. >> I saw it I didn't think it was anything special. >> It wasn't it wasn't anything special. That's why I still don't understand why that's what I'm trying to tell you is I didn't farm it. It just happened and it's like >> but why do people like it? >> I don't know. They say like they they they think your joy is infectious. Like it just seems like you're so happy in it. >> I still don't know. But Adam Lavine I want to still meet him. That's like still my goal to meet Adam. >> Can you not do that? I feel like was just with Adam Lavine. >> Yeah, I saw that. I'm about to ask see if I can get >> Dude, I feel like that would be a really easy one for you to do. >> I just want a picture of him. That's it. >> You should do like an a real authentic cover of it where you rent out a studio space. You got like dramatic cameras like zooming in. You're like really getting into it with the mind. Every time I sing that song, it it goes people see it. People it goes viral like >> Is there any chance you could sing it? >> [ __ ] no. [ __ ] >> Please just no no no. >> So that's >> what Okay. What if I paid you 500 bucks to sing it, >> bro? Keep your money, bro. >> Like, actually, what if I >> You went to Cliff. >> I'm out of pay. >> Like, actually sing this, bro. 20 seconds. >> I couldn't do it. I need I need energy. And >> how much would you need to sing the song? >> I'm just seeing if this is a price is worth cars, right? >> The 4 GT. >> Yeah, you could put 50 miles on your Ford GT. I'll sing it. >> Yeah. See, look at you. 50 miles in in what length of time though? >> A lot. It's all good, bro. >> I'm curious. That's That's the first clip. Clip number one. What about two and three? >> I'm sure you're thinking of one. Uh it's when I got slapped by Bradley Martin. I don't know if you've seen that clip. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Uh that wasn't planned at all. Um I was talking to Bradley Martin. This is the first time I saw him in real life, but my man my management at the time, he wasn't my manager, but like he was like helping with him. >> He put me in contact with Bradley Martin. Bradley Martin knew who I was. And he'll tell you this, like it was no ill intent. He actually, the clip is he played pay phone right on the speakers in the gym. So I was like, "Oh, he's me." I was like, "He knows who I am." Blah, blah, blah. We're with each other. Keep in mind, I don't know who Bradley Martin is. I'm not in the gym, right? I didn't know who he was. I've heard of him, but whatever. I took his hat off cuz I was like, "Oh, it's a joke." Like we're going joke for joke, right? I didn't think much of it. That's like friends with each other, right? He slapped the [ __ ] out of me. And then obviously there's two sides of the internet. One, why the did you slap him? That was so overreaction. The other one is don't touch a man's hat. And then it's like whatever. I don't really give a happened, but um that clip went everywhere uh viral and that actually helped me a lot in my career. >> You know, it's funny. I saw that clip on Twitter when it happened. I had no idea that was you. So that was my first introduction. >> People don't know the full story. Like I had no like people thought I was just like annoying little kid like just being a jerk. Like that's kind of where like people were like, "Oh, streamers are just annoying little pieces of whatever." I had no ill intent. Like I I'm a genuine person off camera. I care for people. Like I'm not like an like I'm not going to go run around screaming in public like too much or like I I know my well no I know my place but I know my place. It's like I know when to do things and when not to. Like I have good social awareness, social cues with that type of stuff which I feel like a lot of streamers don't nowadays cuz they see clips of me or they see clips of other people and they're like, "Oh, they do it. Why can't I?" But it's like it's all social cues. You know what I'm saying? Like I know when to do it and when not to. And people are going to say like, "Oh, no you don't. Like it's clear you don't. I do. I know what I'm doing." And that's why I think I'm at where I'm at is because I knew what I was doing. >> That slap looked like it hurt though. >> It did. >> Yeah. >> But it's a 6 foot five dude. Dude, his hand is like massive. What's he he's like 63 64. I'm 5'7. He's 200 >> 60 lb. I'm 140 lb. >> Yeah. >> He has muscle. I don't >> Yeah, it hurt. >> And what about the third clip? >> I don't know. What do you think? What have you seen? >> I don't know. This is This is up to you. I mean, I've dude I don't know. We basically last year we streamed 30 days like right now. We went to a college and when we went into the college, we started going up to dorms like we went to girls dorms, guys dorms, but we knocked on this girl's dorm and she let us in and I guess someone called the college while we were streaming. It was like eight of us streaming in there and they were like, "Oh, they're harassing women, blah, blah, blah." Which we weren't. They were just doing it so the cops would come. >> So the cops started to come up to the dorm and they started to like arrest all the Faze guys. like not arrest them, put them in cuffs, like detain them. >> And then I slammed the door of the girl's dorm. Like I was in the room with them and I hid in her bathroom >> and like she was with it. She didn't care. She thought it was hilarious. But then like the cop ended up coming in and finding me in the bathroom and I went like this or you have to look at it. It >> I don't find it that funny, but it it went everywhere. It was like a stupid clip. >> So I'm curious when you're streaming. I know it's a big thing to like dox people and to share their location, call the cops and say that there's like a boom threat basically. How often does this happen to you and how do you >> every day? >> It happened yesterday. >> Yeah. >> So what what is the experience on your end? Cuz I know getting swatted is like you know it's kind >> of >> Well, it's like the internet. It's like there's two sides. You have the culture side of the internet which is like you know a different side of the internet like rap people like you know like it's just like kids like kids with like hype beast you know hype beast it's like it's like that side and then you have like the the nice side the pleasant side and then obviously the mixture like I have like more of like the culture I feel like so it's like kids that like are go to like it's like the hypebeast era and you know there's a lot of weirdos so when they call the cops I mean they say oh I have a they I someone whatever it might be right they come to the house but They know cuz they they know who we are. So it's like they don't really care but they have to clear the house. It's just scary cuz it's like you never know. There might be a new cop on the job that day who's like this. I'm scared for my life and me. But I don't like to think that way. And it's like how many times do you think you've been swatted? >> Over 50. Easily. >> 50. >> Easily. Especially when I used to live in New Jersey. But it's so funny. I I'll pull up right now. It's so funny. >> Do they get in trouble for swatting? >> Yeah. Some of them Some of them I have like like look at this. I have like eight cops numbers. just cop cop cop because they would call me. How do you know which cop is who? It just shows on your phone. I just pick it up. >> I gave every single cop my number. I was like, if you ever hear that like I someone at this address or something like that, just call this number and I'll tell you. >> That's the perfect cover up though, don't you think? >> What? >> That like now you could go and do that and they'll just be like, "Ah, yeah, it's another >> No, they do it all the That's the thing is people who swat us I was making a joke. >> If you were to actually go out and commit a crime, it's like it's the perfect, you know, >> oh yeah, >> exactly. Someone calls you be like, "No, it's just another prank call. Maybe I should kill someone. >> Yeah, just don't look under the Don't look under the tree. >> There's nothing there. No, you're kidding. >> No, but I mean they come, they still have to clear it. It's like their job. They still have to clear, but they'll be less of like a hassle. Like the first time it happened when we lived in LA, they came to the house, put us all in cuffs aggressively, and just ran through the house. Then the second time they were like, they all came, but there was like it was like slow. It It's cool though, you know? It's like I'm not scared of it no more. But I do have weirdos that follow me. I do have weirdos that wait for me outside the house, which I'm not scared of though. like they wait for you outside the house. And what's what's your interaction with them? Like >> I just ignore them, but like there's weirdos like right now even I don't even think people know this, but there's like a weirdo who keeps coming at like 2:00 a.m. basically like four dudes and they say they're looking for me. I'm not scared of them because I don't wear my jewelry out. So if you want to come rob me or beat me up, go ahead. I I don't know. I have private security uh who runs around always and protects me. So it's up to you. But uh yeah. No, there's there's weirdos. There's weirdos. Scary. Trust me. I don't like living in LA. >> What's the closest call you've ever came to some sort of, you know, crime or attack? >> I don't even know if it had to do with with with streaming or just in life. >> Let's do both. >> Uh, in life, I was on uh Hollywood Boulevard in my BMW when I had at the time and I don't know why this guy got really mad. I I I think I cut him barely, but it was like nothing crazy. It really wasn't. >> Yeah. >> And he started following me through Hollywood Boulevard like fast, like on me. And it was his girlfriend. And you know me, I'm a I'm I'm Italian. And I was I look out the window. I go like this to the guy and his girlfriend was driving and then she speeds up on me and I see it in my rearview mirror. I'm with my girlfriend and my friends. He's reaching in his bag for like a gun and I I'm pretty sure he had a and they were really on me. I'm I'm a better driver than you. So I I allegedly um on Hollywood Boulevard, you know, like when the crosswalk happens, there's like people that walk or whatever. As people were walking, I went around them and the guy had to stop because there's people walking. But it was like really scary. >> That's why you don't honk in LA. >> Oh yeah. >> And you just because you never going to be like >> there's weirdos. One day it's just like their days going bad and they snap. >> No. Yeah. You got to be careful. And even with like when I was doing with streaming, it's kind of like the similar. It's like people just see my car, whether it be kids, whether it be older people, and they're like, "Oh, I'm going to follow him." They don't think of me as a real human. They think of me as like an entertainer. So they're like, I'm going to follow him and whatever. Throw at his car. Like I've I've went to car meets where kids throw at the car and then they get like attacked by my fans though. But like I've never really encountered something scary. >> Mhm. >> I've had like friends encounter stuff re really recently and that's kind of where I'm on edge recently. But like I'm very like aware of my surroundings and etc. >> So if streaming is harder than a 9 to5 and someone wants to put them themselves through that that pain and discomfort, >> you could never. I'm curious, is there still opportunity to to grow on Twitch today? And what do you think is is the main thing? If someone wants to grow on Twitch, they should be doing. Uh, if you want to grow on Twitch, I honestly think you should. It's clips. It really is clips. And it sucks. I feel like the game is really up right now. It's probably the hardest. I mean, I wouldn't say it's the hardest ever is because there isn't there is never the hardest time ever, right? Like on YouTube, it's the same [ __ ] It's like, oh, it's so hard to become a YouTuber. It's always going to be the same hard, right? pause. But it's going to be like it's it's always going to be hard to become a streamer. It's always going to be hard to become a YouTuber. There's never a right time. But like right now, it's just hard in a way where it's like, bro, like >> if you start your stream on Twitch like, and you're not known, it's like, why would I watch you type of thing? Like there's so many creators that are big now and like people hop on the bandwagon of like, oh, if you don't have a a certain amount of viewers, why would I watch you? It's like, you shouldn't even be spending a bunch of your time streaming on Twitch. Instead, you should be trying to find a way to >> If I started fresh right now, I would stream on Twitch like 4 hours prior or like 3 hours, maybe even two, and not farm clips, but be myself. Whatever whatever I want to do, whatever type of content, even if you have zero viewers, you have to fake it till you make it. Like pretend that you have an audience watching you and still create the content that you want to create. Clip it, put it on TikTok, and then keep streaming every day because when people start seeing your clips, even if you have five people see your clip, one of them might be like, "Oh, like this guy's kind of funny. I'm going to go on Twitch to see if he's live." And if you're live when he's reacting to it, right, that guy might become a loyal viewer. You know what I'm saying? Like that guy might be like, "Oh, this guy's funny." And then you keep doing it. It's like compounding, you know? It's like >> you just got to The biggest problem is people don't do it. You just got to do it. So, if you could buy stock in three streamers right now, who would you invest in? >> Three streamers right now. You know what's crazy? I'm very good at this. Like, very very good at this. >> Like, who have you picked out in the past? >> Um, see, I People are going to be like, "Cap in the comments." Bro, when I was watching Aiden Ross, I have text messages with him, DMs when he was averaging was still This is great viewership, by the way. Like 3,000 to 5,000 to 10,000, which is, by the way, some people are like, "Oh, yeah, he already made it." He did. He already did. But I knew he was I text him. I was like, "Yo, you're going to get to this level where you're averaging like 50 to 100,000." We used to have talks about it. He'll even say it himself. Like I used to text him about it and he he became one of the biggest at the time. And then same thing with uh my friend Jason. Shout out to Jason. Um he he was averaging like 1 to 2,000 viewers, peaking around like four. And I told him, I was like, "Bro, you're going to be like really big one day." And I don't just say it just to say like when I say it like I only say it to a select few. Not that my word means anything, but like I was like, "Yo, you're going to do this, you're gonna do that." Sure enough, he's like that to right now. Um, someone I know named Blackboy Max. Um, he used to be in Face Clan. He actually just left. Um, he was averaging around the same like a thousand or 2,000. I told him, "You're going to be the biggest one day like for this reasons, etc." And sure enough, he is. Like people know him for those reasons. And I I don't know. I just feel like I have a good eye for talent. And I think that's why I even believe in myself is cuz I know I can get to a certain level. But what qualities do you see in them that makes them stand out? >> Um, just like hunger to be honest with you, you could tell when someone wants it and when someone doesn't. It's very, maybe not to everyone, but to me, like I could tell when someone is about it, when they want to become a streamer, cuz it's like you could say you want to become a streamer if I don't see you live every single day during the certain amount that I did. I'm like, "Okay, well, he doesn't want to become a streamer. He's never he's not going to make it." And it's not an ego and it's not me being a dick. It's just me telling the truth. And I feel like that's what a lot of people are scared of is like being told the truth. So it's like when people like like I've had fans come up to me like I want to become a streamer. I'm like no you don't. I was like why why would you be coming up to me saying you want you you'd be streaming. You know what I'm saying? Like you would be doing what you want to do. It's like it's the same I did when I wanted to become a YouTuber. I didn't sit there wishing every day I want to become a YouTuber. I tried to act on it. You know it's like it's all luck at the end of the day to an extent but it's also the grind. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't get lucky not doing anything. Like you're not going to get lucky sitting in your bedroom doing nothing. Right. So, if you're buying stock in three streamers right now, who would you invest in? >> Um, if I had three streamers that I would invest in, it's actually I've got one that maybe people are like, he already made it, but like I I'll get into that. Um, I think this dude named Faxity. He's a Fortnite streamer right now. He used to average around like 500 to a,000 viewers. And funny enough, I told him, we used to have dinners, and this is like when he's like, "Dude, I don't know what to do, blah blah blah." I told him, I was like, "Bro, one day you're going to average this many viewers if you just stick to it." And he he stuck to it. He'll he'll fully admit it. It's funny. I actually could pull up a clip. He he mentioned it yesterday. He streamed um where he like thanked me for believing in me literally yesterday. It's it's so random. I just thought about that. Um but I think this dude named Faxity, he's a Fortnite streamer. He used to average like 500 views. He averages like 5 to 10,000 now. Um but I think if he did IRL content and he expanded a little bit on top of his Fortnite content, he could be literally as big as me. Not in an ego way, just like to the point where he can do whatever he wants on stream. I I truly think he's funny. um this dude named Yousef. Um he's a streamer. He like IRLs a lot. He averages around like 2,000 viewers. I think once Yousef gets that click where people are like, "Oh, what the is he doing?" type of thing. Like he just has that one moment, I think his career is going to skyrocket cuz he has the drive and he has the work ethic and I think he's going to get the credit he deserves soon. Um and then one that already made it, but I know a lot of people are like for maybe not forgot about him, but like don't take him as seriously when it comes to content. I think Sketch I think Sketch can get to a new peak. Um I think that kid is hilarious. And I know people are gonna be like, "Oh, but Sketch is already huge or whatever." Yeah, he's he's huge, but he also doesn't stream as much. He doesn't post on YouTube as much and he's not consistent with his content. He's more or less like a household name, but he doesn't really make much content anymore. He'll even say that himself. It's like I think if he took it seriously and he really wanted to, he could become way bigger than he is right now. And I I think Yeah. Shout out Sketch. Sketch. He should get back on on live. Yeah, we look forward to it. >> Like he streams and he does YouTube, but he doesn't do it as consistently as he should. And it could be because he's already made a ton of money or he's like comfortable with where he's at. But like I I truly think he could reach a new level. Why don't you go and invest or help the smaller streamers and like maybe work out a split and say, "Hey, I'll help you get to like 10,000 viewers and we could split, you know, come up with like a revenue share and we'll grow together." Kind of like what FaZe is doing. >> Say it again. >> Kind of what like FaZe's whole thing. Let's bring you up with us. >> I'll I'll break that down too. Um, I kind of do it in a way where Jesus I don't really expect much in return. And it's kind of because there's different levels of business models, right? Like I could invest in someone by giving them money. I can invest in someone by helping my helping their viewership by bringing my viewership to them. Maybe tell them to go over and then maybe in return I want you to collab with me or maybe in return I want you to give me money. The way I do it is when I truly believe in someone, a great example is the guy Faxity. >> He used to average 500 viewers. I would host him all the time with like eight to 20,000 viewers and I just I I just host him because I loved him. I thought he was hilarious. My viewers thought he was hilarious. And this isn't an ego. He admitted this. I pull up the clip yesterday. He was like, "Shout out to Ron for hosting me so many times. He always believed in me. Like it helped me a lot. Like I always love him." It's like that that I I find is better than money. Like I wouldn't I don't want money in return. I want to just see my brain like realize that like okay like I helped someone who actually is grateful for being helped and isn't a dick about it. Did I make him? No. But like did I help him? Yeah. It's something he admitted and that and I find that way more of a better return than money. And also in the long run it's like and if you want to think in a business way if I help Fax City and he does become extremely big he's going to want to do with me too. So it's like his viewers are going to want to talk to me. his viewers want to come to me. So, it's like we we trade off each other in a special way. You know what I'm saying? Like it's obviously all transitional at the end of the day. That's how the internet is. But like the way I invest into people is like friendships. Like I I I value my friendships with a lot of people and I'd like to consider Faxi like one of my good friends. >> Who's the most famous person in your phone? >> Okay. The most famous person in my phone. There's different levels of fame. There's like a Kaiat fame. There's like a Bronny James fame. Like what do we what do we think it cuz I have like in my phone top three just like overall probably Bronny I would assume he's the most famous cuz LeBron like everyone in the world knows who Bronny James is most famous. >> I don't think Graham knew who Bronny James was. I just >> LeBron son if I told you LeBron's son. Okay then I would say LeBron son. >> Okay. >> Um I have Kais. I'd say Kaiad is pretty famous. >> When did FaZe Clan come into the mix of all this? Um, I've been a fan of FaZe since I was 13, like 12 maybe. I used to cry when I got into their lobbies on Xbox 360. So, I've been a FaZe fan forever. Um, but FaZe Clan got in the mix of streaming because when I started to stream more, I I I was in an organization called NRG. And then when I left, FaZe wanted to pick me up, which was my dream. And I joined FaZe Clan around 2022, 2023. But that was when FaZe was kind of dead. Like my career was kind of not that big. And then uh Banks had an idea to have me and he basically wanted to rebuild FaZe like how it used to be like having like the FaZe Adapt, FaZe Rain, Faze Banks, Faze Apex, like Faze Tikica, like all these guys. He wanted to rebuild it basically for like a new generation. So he chose me to be a part of that which I'm forever grateful for. That made my career borderline like doing FaZe again. And he chose Jason the Wii, which was my friend that I mentioned. Blackboy, Max, Silky, and then [ __ ] Lacy. Blackboy, Max, Lacy, St. Bernardo, Silky, Jason. Yeah. And Jason. Um, and he basically wanted to do a house in LA. Um, and then we ended up just doing it. We ended up just coming together and FaZe backed us up. They paid for the house. They paid for our content. And sure enough, when you put five creators who love each other and who are friends with each other in a house, I mean, it turned out to be successful. So, >> what's the vetting process like on that? >> What do you mean? >> Like the vetting like making sure that we're going to be like good in writing then everything is aligned. >> The fun part about Faze Glenn is there is none. >> I mean, there's like there's like lines of like what we want to do and what we want to accomplish, >> but when we went to the house, we just said it like, you know, we were like, let's just try to make this work. Did we was there a stupid amount of money being spent a month? Yeah. But I mean it was more or less like it's the it's the risk and the reward like as a business you're not going to see the green forever like and for a long time like it was in the red obviously but it was like another risk. We had a new investor for Faze Glenn. The guy put a lot of money in and then we invested into the house and we said it and then we just started owning the internet. >> So how does the business of FaZe work now? Like who owns FaZe? How many shareholders are there? Are you a shareholder in FaZe? How are distributions made? How do you pay FaZe? How do they pay you? >> Yeah, so we own percentages of FaZe all individually, all of us. Um, obviously we don't own a crazy crazy amount because we're not the ones who put up millions of dollars a month to do the house, millions of dollars for employees, for content, whatever. But I know Games Square owns a percent. Those were the original investors. And then Matt Kish, the owner of DraftKings, owns a majority, which by the way, Matt Kish is might be the greatest all dick ride. And I don't care that he's a billionaire, Simon, just cuz that he's by the greatest human that I've met who it I'm talking like he's a he's a billionaire. He's a real life billionaire. And he'll come to the house, hang out with us, talk to us. He'll if I call him right now, he'll pick up the phone. I swear to God, he'll pick up the phone. I've called him at like 2 a.m. for just business advice. He is a genuine dude and I think he's probably one of the greatest CEOs for us. Like I it was he really wants to take care of us and he's really good with his um >> so if he owns 51% and then >> I don't know what percent he owns because we also own percent like that's what I was trying to say like whatever online is wrong but I know that I own a percent like more than a percent all the phase guys own more than a percent which I have the shares I think they're valued at I don't know maybe like half a million 600,000 but I mean it's someone has to buy it you know what I'm saying so >> and so you split then some revenue with the the overall business in exchange for having >> the way the business model works from what my understanding is because obviously this is only our year >> two we're not even on year two we're about to actually no yeah I would say we're we just hit year two of the remodel so we're still figuring it out >> but basically the plan is it's like you know when we create IPs if wants to invest in that FaZe basically just put us on like helped us get more recognition and now the way the brand makes money is if we bring sponsorships if we bring IPs if we products, they would help take a percent from that. But it's not like some where it's like, oh, you have to give us 50% of your No, it's like, okay, if you want to drop a product, right? Um, I'll help you. I'll put up X amount of money for you, but in return, you just have to give me 30%. Which is completely fair, right? He's kickstarting it, and he's willing to take that risk, and he's verbidly told me, he's like, "Oh, yeah, if it fails, it fails." You know what I'm saying? Like, >> and you're not really allowed to do work like that with other people. >> I mean, who's going to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into me, millions of dollars, and take the risk and might lose it. You know what I'm saying? So, it's like, so it is fair if if he wants 40%, if he wants 50%, it depends. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I do a uh like a like a thing I want to do is I want to do something to do with cars, like just drag races or or laps, like like courses. If I have to ask for millions of dollars, he'll find me people to invest millions of dollars into me, and he'll take that risk, but in return, he would be like, "Okay, yeah, I want 40%." And I'm like, "Yeah, that's fair. That's completely fair cuz I'm not going to put a million dollars. I'm being honest. I'm not >> I I don't want to take that risk cuz I don't have the liquid to do that. So it's like >> yeah but that's kind of how the business model is and it it does work and it will work you know. Um do I think phase as a whole is a profitable business? I don't think any organization in gaming is like a profitable thing because they spend too much money. But I do think the way to become profitable is stuff like that. Like if I made a prime, right, that company's worth a billion dollars and Matt Kish owns whatever half a if you make half a billion dollars. If they sell for a billion dollars, it's like, okay, we're profitable. So it's like, >> so it seems like kind of what it is is he frontloaded a lot of the money for you guys to be able to have the capital and access to grow on on streaming. And then >> I could be very wrong, but I'm I'm pretty sure. And then because of that, you guys just have a close rel tightly knit relationship with him where if you guys want to do something, he's the first guy you guys go to and then he kind of he's able to get his hands and you know, if you guys want to he also truly believes in it and and that's why he's very >> No, it seems cool. It seems like it's like more of a handshake thing, but if it works out, it works out. It's cool. >> He's just he's he's very smart. He's not dumb and I I think he just is a he's like the greatest person, right? He really takes risks for us and it feels like family and >> obviously there's always going to be opinions on the internet cuz people are like phase this phase that whatever you obviously see all the negative like negativity of that type of stuff but it's like I don't know I feel like right now FaZe is FaZe is in its best spot right now in my opinion it's the most fun I've had most fun I've people said they've watched so why did FaZe kick out a bunch of members and when I was working in real estate it often felt like half my day wasn't selling It was just keeping track of everything. Emails, leads, meetings. It was like I was running three jobs at the same time. Here's the truth. If you're running a business today in 2025, you need a lot more than just a CRM. You need AI that could focus on taking the busy work off your table so that you could focus on closing the bigger deals. And that's exactly where today's sponsor, Pipe Drive, comes in. 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People are like, "Okay, Apex, Rain, Tiko, Temper, Faze Blaze, whatever, right? >> You can kick them out of phase, but they're still phase, right?" Like when we I think I think when they did the kick out type of stuff, it was more or less it's like, "Okay, you're just not involved in our content no more." Like cuz they don't want to be, truthfully. And if they do want to be like I I don't know but like from what I'm understanding because I'm not the one who kicked them. I wasn't even in phase when they kicked them. I was but like I wasn't the guy in charge. It was more or less there were so many people in phase that you guys probably don't even know. And then there was the random people that were in FaZe that you guys have no clue. Like if I named some people you probably wouldn't even know. You know what I'm saying? So it's like >> those people got kicked because it's like what is FaZe Clan now? FaZe Clan used to be what you just said, a phase blaze, a phase rain, a phase adapt, a phase temper. Like those were household names that people knew and it was such a tight group and everyone's like I want to join FaZe. But if you have like a hundred people who some make content, some don't, some want to grind, some don't. Some don't even care to be on YouTube, don't care to be on streams, whatever. It's like what is what is this about now? Is this >> why don't they want to be on like I don't get it to have such a big opportunity to then I'm not going to say names, but there's been people in Faze who are guaranteed half a million dollars a year and then half a million dollars on top of that with sponsors and they didn't stream. They didn't they didn't want to work. >> Why do you think they're not wanting to work? When you put something in someone's face, it's very easy to take and not like give back. You know what I'm saying? Like it's very easy for someone to to say like if I if if I offered you a job, right, and I was like, "Okay, I'm going to give you a million dollars a year." Your in instinct is probably like, "Oh, what the I'm getting a million dollars a year." You sign the contract, whatever it is. I'm like, "Okay, you have to do YouTube videos. You have to do you have to do a couple YouTube videos a month, right? There's no this is not a real situation, but like a couple a couple YouTube videos a month. You might be like, "Okay, I'm going to do the couple YouTube videos a month and that's it. I'm not going to go above and beyond, etc." And that's kind of what it was. It's like they would do the bare minimum if that. And then they'd get lazy cuz they're like, "Okay, I'm guaranteed a check." You know what I'm saying? I sign a contract. So, it's like it it's very easy for people to see numbers and just get motivated by numbers and not discipline. You know, like this goes with viewership, this goes with revenue, this goes with followers. Like I'm sure you've seen tons of artists who make a quick amount of money and they get comfortable and they're like, "Okay, you know, I can chill." And that's how they lose it. It's the same It's the same concept, you know? It's the entertainment industry. So, it's like, >> yeah, >> it's all the same concept. >> It's so frustrating to me. I've seen so many people in that exact same position where they start doing really well, they start making a ton of money and they get so comfortable and then they just slack off, spend the money and they're like, "Oh, two years later this Yeah. And I I'm honestly I've got a good analogy for it, too. Actually, before I even say I'm a victim to it, it's bro, look at co look at all these Tik Tockers who were making money. Thought they were rich. Thought that they were crazy influencers and they're scrambling now cuz it's all going away. They got comfortable. You know what I'm saying? the internet changes, the world changes, etc. But again, I I am a victim to it. And I think that's how I originally like fell off is because I got so comfortable. I I'd go live and I'd be like, "Okay, I'm going to get 20,000 viewers today. I'm going to make $20,000 today. I'm cool. I'm I'm okay." Then I don't go live the next day cuz I'm like, "Oh, I'll just go live a day after and I'll have this amount of viewers. I'll make this amount of money." Then it would drop down a couple of thousand viewers. I'd be like, "It's whatever, bro. I'll average 15,000 viewers tomorrow. I'll make $10,000 tomorrow." it went down again and then it would slowly go down and then that's when I started getting in my own head. I'm like, if I don't have this amount of viewership or if I don't make this amount of money, I don't enjoy it anymore. And that's where I realized I lost my passion and that's where I had to take a step back, realize what I had, be grateful for it, and come back and actually make content that I believe in and enjoy. So, and I think that's why I thrive right now is because like even coming here, like when I DM'd you guys, it's like because I'm like I enjoy talking about stuff like this. I enjoy this cuz I think a lot of people need it. >> How does it feel though if you're not streaming, you're like technically leaving money on the table. >> So yeah, I think about that a lot. Um, for instance, like if I don't stream today, realistically, I'm just being honest, transparent. I would probably miss out on like if I streamed 8 hours today, I'd probably miss out on like8 to $15,000 just off streaming. But it's like at the same time, I don't stream for money. And I know people might be like, "Cap," but I I really don't. I I I I like taking breaks. I like And I wouldn't even consider it a break if I don't stream today. I did this. You know what I'm saying? I did something productive. As long as you're doing something productive in your off time, you're not leaving money behind. You know what I'm saying? Like you're you're not even leaving opportunity behind. How does that How do you have that mentality? For me, that was very difficult because from 2019 through 2023, really, I wouldn't take a day off. I refused because every day I took off, I know I'm leaving like >> I'm I'm paying X amount not to work today and I'm like I'd rather just work. >> Well, it's the wrong mindset in my head because it's like there's unlimited money in the world. There's always going to be money on the table. It's just about how you want to go get it. You know what I'm saying? Like there's there's ways you might you might figure out a way how to make more money than you've ever seen tomorrow and you might not realize it and be like, why the am I doing a podcast? But then you still do the podcast. You know what I'm like there there's an there's chance of that. And I think it's just when you say like how do you not get scared or how do you not have that mentality? I think it's more or less in my head. I it also has to do with my beliefs in the world. Like I believe truly like it's so cliche, but it's it's really how I believe. It's how I it's how I operate. It's like I believe I'm a good person that good opportunity will happen and I feel like I'm always going to have fortune in my life. So it's like I don't worry about taking days off if I don't make amount of money or etc. You have an abundance mentality. I very much have a scarcity where every day I'm like, "All right, this is it." Algorithms changing tomorrow. >> But the thing is I I have that mentality with streaming because I don't think about it money-wise, but I think about it like, "Okay, I could fall off tomorrow. Oh, I could lose viewership tomorrow. If I started going from 20,000 viewers to 10,000 viewers, it's like, okay, you split your revenue, you split your relevancy." So, it's like comes and goes. And it's like, again, analogy is like the Tik Tocker. when these Tik Tokers are getting five million views a video and then all of a sudden they start getting half a million views. It's like oh what the do I do type of thing. So it's like it's the same thing with YouTube. If you upload this video and it's a one out of 10, you guys would be like yeah this is amazing. Whatever. And if this video is a 10 out of 10, you're going to be like okay like and then you might like think about should we have more streamers on? Should we do this? And it's like that it you you just got to work. You just got to do it. You know what I'm saying? It goes back to what we said originally. It's like you just got to just not care and just do that how you want to do it. So, if you think you should work every single day, do it. Seriously, do it. But I I I do think taking breaks is good for you. If it's not like a break, like even when I go like when I was mentioning how I drive my car, it's not real break. I might not stream. I might not post. I might not even do a podcast. It's not a real break because it's helping me mentally when I'm taking this break. It's like I'm so I'm clearing my head so I can work better. I'm clearing my head so I can think of ideas. is I'm clearing my head so I can just figure out what I want to do next. You know, if you work every single day, you have no opportunity to think really. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> At a certain point, I feel like you get a higher ROI just from thinking than you do from doing. Whereas like in the beginning I think you should do a whole lot more doing maybe like 80% doing 20% thinking and then it kind of shifts over time to like more thinking more kind of like honestly I get a high ROI from like going on a little vacation or like a weekend trip just to let my body like calm down and then I'll come up with an idea on that trip and then I'll execute on it and it'll be a game changer. I like to do this thing called toilet thoughts. When I get on the toilet I think better. How long do you usually spend on it? >> Sometimes I'll sit on the toilet just for an hour and I'm like I'm really starting to but I start thinking of ideas. Same thing with driving. Sometimes I'll drive, >> no music. I'll literally just drive and I'll be like, >> "Okay, I want to do this. I want to do that." It starts, it's like how it's a form of therapy. But like a great example of people like what what you were just saying like return of uh investment >> investment. Yes. ROI >> ROI >> when you take breaks is like look at someone like Logan Paul a great example or Jake Paul a great example. These guys uploaded every single day for two years, three years. Every single day 5 million views a video, 10 million views a video every day. these guys are probably making like what $50,000 a video, $70,000 a video, millions of dollars on merch, >> but then they randomly start taking breaks, but now look, look how brilliant they are. It's like they figured out ways when they took breaks to become bigger, become better things. Another great example, more relevant to like I guess MySpace is like Kaisenat. Kaisenat used to stream every single day. I'm sure every single day he's making 20 to$30 $50,000 off streaming, off sponsors, whatever, more money. But like when he's streaming every day, he's like, "Okay, I'm I'm I'm making like 50 to $100,000 a day. Okay, I could go buy my a dream car tomorrow. I could go buy a dream watch tomorrow." But like when he takes these breaks, look what he's doing right now. Like, you know what I'm saying? He creates these bigger ideas and these crazier ideas because he took a break. He wouldn't be able to do what he's doing right now if he didn't take a break. He wouldn't have thought of it. He wouldn't have. >> And he knows that. And it's like anyone knows that. It's like you become brilliant when you take more breaks because you could think of better ideas. How do you balance streaming working with having a relationship? Now, um it's it's kind of interesting because the way my relationship works is, and I think a lot of people should follow this formula, um is really building a foundation off the bat. And it sounds very normal. Everyone says that, but it's like really solidifying a boundary and foundation. Like when I met my girlfriend, first and foremost, I told her, I was like, "You cannot have a social media presence. I just don't want it." And I'm like, "If that's controlling, I get it." Like I actually I'm very understanding. Like I'm like, "Okay, I get it." Like why is my boyfriend not wanting me to be public or whatever, but I'm like and she really respects it and that's why I love her is like because I I just don't when I'm online, I'm online. When I'm offline, I want to have an offline life. Like I want to enjoy my life. So it's like when I when I met my girlfriend, I was like, "Yeah, I just I really don't want you public on like Tik Tok, social media, streaming, whatever it might be." like she could go live tomorrow, probably average like thousands of viewers and make hundreds of thousand dollars off my name, but she respects me enough to not do that. You know what I'm saying? So, it's like I told her, I I just I I don't want you online. Um, when I work, I want to be able to work. Like, I don't want to be able to be like bombarded or like clinginess or like pettiness over small things. Like, I like to keep my private life private. And it sucks too cuz then there's weirdos on the internet like, "Oh, what does she look like? What is she hiding if she's not public?" And that's why like I'll show her face like I posted her before just so I could get rid of the stalkers and all that, but like I Yeah, she doesn't come on camera. She doesn't she doesn't do anything. I like to keep it private. So, a lot of people would be wondering if you're young, you're making a bunch of money, you have a bunch of freedom, you're so successful. Like why would you settle down into some sort of a relationship when you could optimize on building the business, making more money, grinding when you have this like kind of golden egg right in front of you. You could just keep harvesting. cuz I think a lot of people have two this is a great question cuz there's there's ways to balance this and I feel like that's a problem with life is people don't find balance like I think if I didn't have a girlfriend I wouldn't be successful in other ways I wouldn't when I'm off stream I I was I used I used to end stream and just be super stressed just super like not I I wouldn't be relaxed and when I'm with her I feel more relaxed or I feel better but like I also don't let it affect my business side and a lot of people do and they'll say it doesn't but then it does a little bit like I truly I I tell her I'm like, "Yo, like like I' we've had arguments. It's a relationship." You know what I'm saying? You're going to have arguments. You're going to have ups and downs. But like I would tell her I'm like, "I can't let this affect my dayto-day." I was like, "I can't let this affect my job. If so, like we have to be done type of thing." And it's like it's not like ultimatums, but it's like I try to find a balance of having a relationship and having work. And I think I do a pretty good job at it. >> Yeah. You set your frame is kind of where it's at. But but what I'm curious is a lot of guys in your position, if you're young, you're living in the >> you what? >> They're whipped. Well, I don't know what that technically means. >> You know what that means? Yeah, of course. You You haven't heard the term? >> I don't know what that technically means. >> It's like basically like your girlfriend will control you. >> No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. >> I thought that's what you're saying. >> No, Jack is Jack is trying to say is that you would, you know, >> go out to like cars, >> cars, >> bars, clubs, those sorts of things, and just like go try to find a girl. You could like, yeah, play the field. could flex all the stuff you have going on, your cars, your watches, your money, stuff, your influence and stuff like that, and just have like 50 girlfriends at once, you know what I mean? Like, why is that such a common thing out here for people with your demographic and yet you don't do it? >> Well, it's the same. It goes back to what I think I think it was what you said. It was like when you make so much money, like, are you good with your money or whatever? Right. It's like these guys who get so many followers, they're quickly to just like want to flaunt it. Like when I don't even know if we have it on camera when I was telling you like on I was like, "Yeah, I don't really like to show like numbers and all that cuz it's like I just don't care." And I think it's just how I grew up. Like when I was in high school, I didn't kiss a girl until I was like 18. I didn't you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't lose my virginity to my first girlfriend. Like I wasn't putting my dick in random. Like I wasn't like flexing when I won money. Like I wouldn't go up to like people would flex their clothes. People would flex their money. Like I just don't. It may seem like I do sometimes, but I really don't. And I think like all these other influencers have this and they're like I want to be someone who I'm not. There's people who buy cars, right? Buy cars. They don't actually buy them, but they say they buy them. >> What are they doing? Leasing or renting? >> Both. They do lo I leasing could make a good financial sense though if they're writing it off. Sometimes I'm I'm in favor of leasing. >> They do it to I agree. No, you can lease a car for however. That's not my problem. It's when you fake it and you say that you own it for real and then you try to flex this fake lifestyle or like if I rented a car for the weekend. >> How many people do that? >> How common is it? It's like percentage would you say? >> I would say 85% to 90% of people don't own what they say they have. And I know that from meeting people and I know that from hearing things from people from people and seeing to keep in mind I I have the check that I paid from Wells Fargo $400,000 for my GT3 RS cuz I bought it cash cuz I wanted that car cuz I wanted it. That's interesting because you're like around the YouTube and streamer like community a lot. We are sure we're around the YouTube community a lot, not very much the streamer, but most of the people we're now spending time with, especially on the podcast, are like entrepreneurs, like business people that own things. Like for example, if we have Papa John on here, we don't need to validate that he actually owns his cars. But Papa John, >> these are because when I walk in the room, you could tell when I'm sure you could tell when someone's legit and when someone's not. It's it's a it's again, it's a human trait. It's like me personally, like if someone walked in here and you had 10 people and you told me each one of these guys are a millionaire and they all whatever, they all had jewelry or whatever, I could tell you which one is probably the real millionaire. >> So, how did you meet your girlfriend? >> Uh, I DM'd her and I know people are going to say, "Oh, okay. You DM'd her. Um, she I DM'd her to play video games and this was off camera. >> How did you see her though? >> It was a random Tik Tok with 20 views and I was literally depressed and I wanted to play Valerant at the time and she was playing Valerant and I was like, "Okay, let's play Valerant together." At first it was like nothing. Still was nothing for like a couple times but then we just started to talk more and she was single, I was single and I just had fun having conversation with her, you know? I enjoyed just being around her. So, it was more or less like I talked to her, we played video games, and we eventually met because we're both in California, and the rest was kind of history. But I know a lot of people are like, "Okay, well, she she responded to you because you have a check mark. She responded to you because you have followers. She responded to you because you have money." There's very in my head, and I there's always going to be comments no matter anything on this mic right now, and there's going to be someone out there like, "Oh, yeah, he's brainwashed. Oh, yeah, he's falling for it." No matter what I say, I could say the most perfect articulated sentence. it's not going to matter. So that's why I don't even care to give a reason. But like I know she's not a bad person. There's obviously trials and tests that you mentally she knows. It's not like I'm being a dick. It's like I've told her I'm like, "Yeah." Like, you know, there's ways to tell if someone's a nice person, a good person, and she also has money. Her family has money. Also, there's nothing wrong. I feel like you can contend with this with saying that if you do have status, money, influence, stuff like that, that that will generally just be attractive to a girl because I feel like girls kind of they seek out some sort sense of like a provider, some guy that can like make them feel safe and comfortable. And so if you have those qualifications, it's not only that you have the money and the influence and the power, but it's also that like you have >> and then you have all these people that are like, you have the character traits that would let you achieve those things. Those character traits are passion. Exactly. And that's why like I'm telling you like >> no matter what we say, by the way, there's going to be comments that are like, "All right, this guy's brainwashed." Of course. So that's why it's like it goes back to also what you just said like having these character character characteristics >> of like being charismatic and like passionate about something. It's like a lot of these guys don't. So when they see someone like me, if I DM a girl and I have followers, they're they're quick to be like annoyed by it. be like, "Oh, yeah, she's only [ __ ] with you cuz you have followers, whatever." It's like, >> truthfully, I had a girlfriend before I had followers, before I had anything, and look where that got me. I didn't I didn't date her. So, it's like I think that statement's wrong, and I I don't know. I think people are just dumb. >> So, how long do you think you're going to date her before you guys try to take it to a to a different level? You gave her a promise ring. >> What's the logic behind the promise ring? >> Um, she probably would She taught me more things than I've, by the way, like ever experienced like in life about certain things, traveling, certain places. she's taken me like just like being there and she's shown me that like no matter what when like I get annoyed when I get angry like you know it's human traits like when I get worked up or stressed or whatever she's not quick to jump the like oh you're being annoying you're being an like like how some girls would be like pettiness or like childish etc like she's understanding and but I just I just love this girl so it's like I was like you know what it's my one year anniversary with her I was like it's like we made a year you know years old why a promise ring over like a nice necklace. >> I think it's just like earrings. I think it's just like >> tradition. You know, when someone gets a promise ring, they're like they think it's cute. They're like, "Oh, >> it's like another level of like here's my friendship." >> Yeah. >> And so if you end up marrying this girl, are you getting a prenup? >> 100%. 1,000%. And she knows that. She wants a prenup herself. >> How early did you bring up the prenup conversation? >> She's as quick as possible. She knows that. She wants a prenup. She said the same thing. She's like, "I want to make sure my assets are safe." That's what she said. And I was like, "Yeah, that's respectable." >> It comes from a wealthy family, I take it. >> Uh, I would say to a degree, but like even in general, she she wants to go to law school or something like that. And she was saying like she wants to just protect herself. Even if she has money, she doesn't have money. But like when I brought up the conversation, she wasn't like, "Oh, so you don't trust me like with money?" Like, "Bro, if that was a red flag." >> Well, that if that's the case, I wouldn't have dated her. That's my point is like I've I've there's like those trials that you go through where you figure out if this girl like a girl's legit. It's the same thing with guys. if a guy's legit, you know? So, it's like, yeah, I mean, the prenup was off the bat. She knows that though. And like even like like we we talked about it like even like recently like, oh, like about like money, etc. And I'm like, yeah, I'm always going to protect myself. And she knows this is like I've said this since the beginning. It's like, I'm always going to protect my business and I'm always going to put my business above us. And I said, it's rude. I'll be honest with you, it is rude, but I'm always going to put my business ahead of you. It's just how it is. And it's like, if you want to date someone like that, you can. If not, if not, >> do you think that would ever change? Like, let's say you have kids one day. >> 100%. It could always change. Emotions can change, hormones can change, like people can change, whatever. >> But I'm not going to change. >> I think at this stage in your life, it's probably the smart thing to do until you like actually settle down. >> That's what I'm saying. Like, if changes, then moves like stuff moves accordingly. You know what I'm saying? Like stuff will move accordingly to stuff that changes. And it's like I'm not a dumbass. I've seen what happened with my mom and my my father at the time. um they're divorced, but like I've seen like how it operates. I've seen in real life like how families tear apart or like relationships break and it's like >> I'm not a and I'm not going to like if does change, god forbid, it's like I'm going to move accordingly and I I know how to move. I'm not going to like I said, I'm not going to be whipped. I'm not going to be like, oh, please come back, please stay type of, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm never this is the mentality, I guess. >> Yeah. >> I don't have that answer. Do you know when you guys are going to move in together or when that might happen? >> Not anytime soon. Um cuz I told her I was like, I'm not going to lie, like rents paid right now by Face Clan. Shout out Face Clan. >> Content's being paid for. It's like why would I ever take that for granted, I guess, and like try to move out or try to spread myself and >> that's just how it is. >> Yeah. You know, >> now on on the topic of money, I'm curious, where does your money coming from? >> What do you mean? >> Like what what income sources do you have? >> Okay. Um, so right now I have Twi I guess in order. Um, Twitch is probably my biggest check I would say monthtomonth because that's what that's what I'm most consistent in. Um, >> are you comfortable saying numbers or do you want >> Yeah, I can say numbers. Um, for an average month right now, if I stream around 140 hours, I'm pretty much around 150 to $200,000. Um, if I exceed that with like for instance like the month of the Elden Ring Marathon, I streamed about 100, no, I streamed about 210 hours. Um, and that was with the investment I did, the 30,000 that I put in. Um, and then that whole month, 210 hours. It was with daily streaming and then the Elden Ring thing. Uh, I made I think 210 hours. I think I made $230,000 on the month of Twitch that month. And then alongside I've had sponsorships. I won't say what sponsorship, but you could figure it out. But uh I've had a I'll have sponsorships. That's another source of income is sponsorships. Sponsorships is like one of the biggest things um there's monthtomonth sponsorships that are like a 10 to 20 30 grand or I get paid 30 grand a month um for like 6 months if I do like a deliverables or whatever. And then there's sponsorships that are like one off. Like for instance um if I do like a Battlefield like I play Battlefield I'm not going to say how much it was but cuz I can't but um I did Battlefield and that's like a big check. like that ranges from anywhere from 200,000 to $400,000 just for like those deliverables in a month. And yeah, I've had months where I've made over half a million to almost a million dollar. Actually, I don't know if I had a million. >> You haven't cracked the million mark yet? >> No, I'm I don't know. Have I? I probably have. I think I think I have. There was a point where I had a gambling deal. I did it for two months. I got paid 100K a week for two months. >> And what happened after the two months? >> Uh it just went downhill. They got rid of it off Twitch. But I also have to realize that gambling is just >> so with the gambling deal. I'm curious, do they they fund your account as well to gamble that money, right? >> Well, so there's two different gambling thing and and that's why people think it's not legit. There's people who get fill balances where they get paid, let's say like $100,000 and they can only keep 20% of what they win. I got paid $100,000 a week, but if I lost $80,000, I made only 20,000 only. I made $20,000 that week. >> Do they tell you how much you have to be gambling? >> So that was a big thing. I finessed the system. They didn't tell me. So that's why they got mad slots. That's what I was doing. I was doing $1 spins. I ended up making sure I cashed every single week $85,000 minimum. >> They got mad. >> Did you find that viewership declined doing $1 spins versus Togei who's doing like a,000 to like $5,000? >> Oh, for sure. It's more entertaining, but it's like, >> you know, there there's different there's different worlds, you know, like look at Trainrex. Train gets paid over probably like, no exaggeration, like $30 million a month. But people are like, "Oh, he gets paid $30 a month." He's not actually cashing in $30 $30 million a month. He he can, but the thing is he gamles it and that's why he gets paid $30 million a month cuz the guy who runs stake knows, okay, if Trainrex gamles $30 million this month and he loses it all, I won cuz it's back in my pocket. But if he if he doesn't gamble, I'm going to be on edge and be like, why would I do this again and again and again? Train is he's very smart with his money. I've talked to him a lot. Um but yeah, he could have been getting paid like with affiliate money. That's guaranteed. >> Speaking with a lot of these guys, they're so smart. Like when you actually talk to them, it's so strategic and they're not dumb. Like speaking to Togei, even like just hearing his dedication and passion and like what he's into and like everything is thought out and I'm seeing on the outside just looking in, I'm like, "Oh, dude, this is a a train wreck." But it's not. And I think a lot goes on behind the scenes that you just have no idea. Yeah. I mean, I can't speak for Togei as much cuz I don't know him, but like Train Wreck's probably one of the most wealthiest people I know who who's shown me his wealth. Like, he's wealthy. Um, yeah, he's very smart with how he does everything and he's very smart with how he makes money. And the internet can think these guys are fake. Again, this goes back to what I said. No, at the end of the day, as long as they know they're not fake and I know I'm not fake, like faking my lifestyle or whatever, like, bro, it's re it's a real world. I think it's just unfathomable to people like that that this a concept. Like when I mentioned he was getting paid $30 million a month, you're like like I've seen it. I've seen it because I've I've seen people get paid $4 million a week just off gambling. I've seen these. I've literally vividly in person have seen numbers being transferred because it's it's it's how it is. >> You don't have to name anybody, but what's the biggest amount that you've seen? >> Oh, I mean I mean based on this conversation, it's pretty easy to understand. and I'm not going to say his name, but there was a point where someone clicked on their balance on a website like in their vault. Um, and it was like I think it was like 11 million $12 million just sitting there and I was like, can you take that out right now? And he took it right out. He just took it out. That's what I'm saying. I'm like I'm like okay. >> And what does it mean when it's like in a vault? That's just like >> that's just like if you don't want to play with it, if you just want to keep it on the site, it's like a bank for the I see. >> But like he he took it out. But what about like the biggest deals that you've seen in terms of like amount per week or per day? >> Oh, brother. I I've known I know people who got paid millions a week like just to gamble. Like I mean it's it's a real world cuz in the return it's like all these people look at us. We're talking about it right now. It that's marketing. You know what I'm saying? They're paying for they're putting their money for each buck. It's like we're talking about it right now. There's probably someone in this video who's going to be like, "Oh, I'm going to go I'm going to go gamble real quick." Cuz they talked about Like these guys telling you it's it's all marketing and it's it's genius. Is it a lot of money? Yeah. But it's the gambling world is like money's always coming in. Money's always going around. It's like why would Coca-Cola spend millions of dollars every year on advertising if everyone knows what Coca-Cola is? It's to stay relevant. You know what I'm saying? So it's like the same concept. >> What do you think the future is for those sort of streams? Like the gambling streams? Do you think they're going to continue cracking down on it or >> it's never going to go anywhere? What are you going to do? How you going to get rid of gambling? It's a it's a it's a world thing. It's like a big thing in the world. You know what I'm saying? >> Probably age probably age verification where you have to like submit your ID and be 18 or 21 to like watch these streams. That would that would crush the industry. >> But there's a reason they don't do it is because it's a profitable business and they're taking percent. These sites are giving platforms money to be on their site. Like >> telling you it's all it takes is one regulator because they they've been starting to do that with the uh the hub websites where they like require that you give ID. I wouldn't know, but Jack has been telling me about this. >> You mean hub websites? >> Bro, Jack, you haven't heard the hub. The hub sites. >> I haven't heard of that. I mean, sometimes the fact that the fact that you even have like some sort of nickname for it just goes to show, bro. You're in the trenches. You're >> Jack's playing. >> No wonder you like left mid podcast to walk over there. >> Yeah, it was like a couple minutes. >> I mean, that's not bad. Yeah, it's fast. Yeah. Yeah. >> I just got to check my phone real quick. They posted a new video. >> No, but yeah, it's like it it it's an industry, bro. It's never going to I don't think it'll ever go away. Even if they do the age verification. >> So, if you're you're making what 400,000 or so a month >> in good months? Yeah. >> So, like 300 to 400 grand. >> Yeah. >> In in months. I'm curious, who do you think has the deepest pockets then of all the streamers >> of like of like >> like Aiden Ross or XQC or Train? Those are probably the people I think. >> Uh Train Rex. I've known, he's told me some things and I've I've seen it. >> He's deepest pockets. >> Easy. >> Easily. >> But what about Aiden? Doesn't he own a percentage of like kick and stake? >> Yeah, Aiden has great money. Great great money. And I know that too cuz I've I've been to his house before. We've talked um etc. But XQC is poor as [ __ ] by the way. That guy's poor. Like dirt poor. I'm talking like he doesn't even have a No, he's he's poor, bro. Why is he poor? No, >> I just I don't with that guy, bro. No, I'm just kidding. It's like an inside. Of course. Of course. That's a clip. >> He's the clip. All right. So, where do you invest? >> Me? Um, so right now I have houses. I do a little bit of real estate where I bought houses. I've never done like section 8 and Airbnbs, but like I I'll just buy houses just to maintain for the market. Um, I just actually >> Where do you buy houses? >> I do New Jersey. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Cuz that's where I'm originally from. >> Okay. Property tax here is high though. >> Yeah. But it's just it's also more comfort because I know like I can go there and watch over. I'm about to start getting into people watching over property so I can invest more like a financial company, all that type of stuff. Um, but I do that. I don't do crypto. Um, I don't really do assets like watches I guess like what you were saying like back to cars. It's like if you don't drive it, same thing with watches. I guess that's an asset. >> It is. >> But it's like they go up and down. Like look at the COVID market like that went up then it went down. So it's like but most of my money either goes into real estate and then like obviously into like just stocks like I have my management that just puts stocks doing like index funds. >> Yeah, of course. >> Okay, cool. >> But I mean most of my money I'm not going to lie, is it's just like invested into real estate to be honest. I just like >> Are you getting a good return on real because with the prices the way they are now if unless you're buying it outright but even if you look at the return buying it outright it's not like >> it's not great anymore. It's more comfort for me. >> It's just like a security. >> A great example was like Faze Rug. Like what he's taught me and he's said this to >> Oh, dude. Yeah. He's >> Have you guys had him on here? >> No. I would love to get Faze Rug. >> Yeah, we tried. >> Oh my god. >> He I met him and I was like and cuz he knew what we were doing and I was like, "Dude, you should come on." He was like He's like, "I'm super super down." >> Yeah. He wanted us to go down to San Diego and we're like, "Yes, when?" And he's like, "I don't know. This kind of very busy." >> Yeah. But um he's taught me he's like I'm not going to say how many properties he has but every time he gets a check he buys a house outright >> completely just like a single family home. >> I I I don't know what type but he'll buy he does like multi a lot of multif family buy it out so he owns it even if it's a lot of money he'll buy it out so he owns it. I'm pretty sure Rug, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what he told me. And he has a lot of properties and like I just I get so inspired by that because every time he gets a check, he's not blowing it on stupid. It's either his content like sure he'll buy like some stuff, but like everyone does that you have a life, you know, you only live once. But he's very smart. He'll just buy stuff that he'll know is a return eventually. So like when he decides to be done with YouTube, he's sitting on X amount of money with real estate that's been going up and then also that he can rent out. But it's like for you'll be forever safe. You know, >> he's very smart when it comes to that. But I think he's buying a lot in California. I could be in California. I actually don't know. It might be San Diego down there, though. Like that might be better some. >> So, aside from Mr. Beast, who do you think is going to be the second YouTube billionaire >> or content creator? >> Oh, okay. Yeah, easily. >> Jake Paul, too. >> I think Logan Paul will be there before. Logan Paul's he's he's a he's just a mastermind with content. He when I've met him too, he's very good at like just he's very good at life and people think he's a dumbass. He's very good. >> So, what would you say is the best and worst investment you've ever made? >> The best investment I ever made? Um, myself $8,000 computer you bought? >> Yeah. Um, actually, I got a funny investment. Uh, my cat. And you're going to think it's a joke. I bought that cat for I bought a cat. I named him Burger. I bought him for $100. I'm not kid. This is a true story. You can go on TikTok. I bought him for $100. Um, he's made me flipped him for$400. >> He made me millions of dollars. No, he made me millions of dollars. I'm serious. >> How um I I went so viral because of him. I'm not kidding. Like when I was playing Fortnite every day, like when I was coming back, I was playing and I bought this cat and you can literally look it up on TikTok. Burger. Like it'll come up. It's like Burger the cat. We're talking like celebrities found him. Like Madison Beer started talking about him. Like all these people started talking about him and these clips would generate, no exaggeration, every time I posted them, it would be like 5 million views, 8 million views, 10 million views, 10 million views. >> Why? >> I don't know. What do you mean you don't know? >> There's something up with Burger. >> He's just a It's a funny cat. It's a funny name. And like the he would do on stream like, bro, it's like one of those cats $100. It's like they were going to probably the cat. I don't know. They were going to do something with the cat. They weren't going to keep him there, so I bought him. And this was jumping on me on stream like jumping onto the cameras doing stupid and people just find it hilarious and it turned into like a character that went viral all over Tik Tok and people started coming into my streams more. They started watching me then they would wait for my cat and then they find me funny and then they'd stay for me. So I'm not kidding. That was probably the greatest investment I've ever made. >> So people should be adopting more cats. Go to the shelter, check out the cats. Go to the like the shelters and take them from those. They don't. So ser I'm telling you that I'm not kidding. Like it sounds like a joke. That was my greatest investment. I swear to God. >> And what's your worst investment? >> My worst investment I would say such a answer, but I would say just clothes and jewelry. It's like besides watches like I would say like buying like diamonds and or buying like Balenciaga or like like that. It doesn't matter. And it's such a it's it's hard because a lot of kids will do it and I'm a victim to it. It's not about like propaganda like people like like streamers wearing it or like YouTubers wearing it or like athletes or celebrities like, "Oh, this cool. You should rock it." Or if I walk around with a thousand t-shirt, everyone's like, "Oh, that guy's got a $1,000 t-shirt. He's cool." I I kind of grew out of it a lot recently because I'm like, "What the am I doing?" You know what I'm saying? Like I'll I usually like if I buy expensive like clothes, it'll be like unbranded or you won't be able to tell. Like for instance, a great example is like there's these Balenciaga jeans, but you wouldn't be able to tell they're Balenciaga. They were like 1,500, but I could wear them 10 times in a week and no one would know I'm rewearing them. And it's like that to me is a better investment like >> a logo on my chest, etc. This was a gift. So I mean it's like >> Do you know what this is? >> Probably Goodfellow. >> No, Tom Ford. >> Is it? That's what I'm saying. If I wore Good and that was a gift, too. >> No, but it probably but you could wear that 10 times this week and no one's going to be like >> that. To me is a good investment though. like a better investment than like like bro I'm not kidding on my streams every day I wear a black t-shirt I wear a good fellow t-shirt I bought 20 from Target for $20 >> and I wear it every single day. >> So they say past a certain point in income life quality doesn't really increase. What line would you draw on the income scale? >> Like where would you say life doesn't get better? >> Define better though cuz everyone finds something better. Like for instance like I need if I made a million dollars a month I'd find my life better right now cuz I could buy cars that would make me happier. It's not about materialism. a Koigseac. >> I could buy a Koac cash, >> but like like I would say there's obviously diminishing returns where it starts to slow down, you know, but like where would you say really that line is to be drawn where it goes from like you know way way way better until like okay sure like you know I can get these luxury items that don't really >> I would say I don't know if this is going to answer your question maybe I'm misunderstanding but I would say life gets better when you realize you can pay your lifestyle meaning like it depends your lifestyle like if your lifestyle style is I want to live in a nice house and have two kids that are going to college and be able to buy a car for them, etc. Like that's like a lifestyle most people want to live. If you can make a certain amount of money, like for instance, like for me, I think if I even how much money I have, even my lifestyle right now, if I was guaranteed like $300,000 a year, I could live the life that I want. Is that what I want? No. Because I obviously I want stupid like cars. I want a stupid house. You know what I'm saying? Like that's what everyone wants in their life. But it's like I could probably comfortably like go on vacation with like what what would you say like $250 $300,000 a year. Like you could Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. Nicely. That's what I'm saying. Nicely. Like you could go on vacation multiple times a year. You could actually It depends though cuz if we're in California, you lose half of that. So I don't know. But I mean it's like >> to me >> I I guess if you want to ask that question just so I can get it back in my head. So it's like what? So like what would I be comfortable with making a month or a year? >> No. like beyond a certain point is that >> people say beyond a certain point money stops being you know super super super enticing because like if you're making obviously the quality of your life is going to be dramatically better if you're making 60 grand per year than if you're making 10 grand a year and then like you know 100 grand a year is still like way better than 50 grand a year 150 is still I feel like a decent amount >> I feel like you're always going to chase that though that's why >> sure but like past a certain point like there comes a time like you know the difference between 100 grand a month and 300 grand a month isn't really going to be like the exciting thing I feel like. >> You think so? >> I don't know. I've never made, you know. >> Well, but that's what I'm saying. But that's what you drive to. No. So, that kind of answers your own question. It's like I don't know how much money you make a year, but like wouldn't you want to double that? Wouldn't your life change? And then if you had doubled that, wouldn't you double that again? Wouldn't your life change even more? It's like when some people are like, I wish I could make 100K a month. Okay, what happens when you make 100K a month? Are you going to wish I want to make 200K a month? Like, I don't know if your life necessarily changes. And I don't know if this is even a good answer for your question, but it's like I don't I don't really know. I feel like life doesn't change. It's such a stupid answer, but like I feel like life doesn't change depending on how much money you have. I truly don't. I think if I made I mean obviously like if you're like very low class, yes. But I think like once you reach a threshold of like you're making like middle class, like high-end middle class, it's like which I don't know how much that is right now. I'm out of touch. >> Probably about 250 I believe is like the high-end middle class. If you're making 250 a year, I don't think you're going to see a big difference making 500,000. I agree. But I think you're going to be able to enjoy life more. >> There we go. That's kind of what I'm getting. >> I'm saying I think you'll be able to like have more fun, buy more stupid. So, in a sense, that could make your life better. But if I made a million dollars a year and I make $3 million the next year, yeah, I'm going to be hyped and I'm going to definitely have more life in me. Just truthfully. >> So, you're talking a lot about manifesting in other podcasts that I've seen. What are you manifesting now? >> It's crazy. I cuz going to what you said, I've manifested every small thing in my life. >> Yeah. No, I agree with you. I've been very much the same way. >> Like, yeah. I wanted to be a streamer. I figured out a way. I wanted to buy a car. Even when I wasn't making money, I figured out a way. I wanted to buy the upgrade of the car. I figured out a way. I wanted to come back. I wanted to join Faze Clan at 12. I'm in FaZe Clan. You know what I'm saying? I figured out ways. Um, I think manifestation is a real thing and I think it's one of the biggest things in the world because the world runs off like energy. And I think if you put out good energy, you get good energy back. And I feel like if you're a good person, good things happen to you. And it doesn't have to be instant. It doesn't have to be in a year. It could be when you're almost on your deathbed. You might live another day because you're a good person. That's just how the world works in my head. What are things I'm manifesting now, though? I'm really just manifesting just more success. Honestly, like I just want to be able to stay in the entertainment business and provide content and provide even motivation like like this to people who want to be in a position like me or want to exceed the position of me. Like people should want to exceed who I am if they're fans of me. Like they they I I want to inspire people to do that. And honestly, that's like my biggest manifestation is like I just want like good energy around me and I want to put out good more good energy and hopefully I could stay in the space without overworking myself, you know? Like I don't want to I basically just don't want to fall off again. Like I I I don't care how much money I make. I just want to be in the business. Like I just I love it. I love the entertainment. >> You should do more of that. Like more uh inspirational stuff. I know sometimes it could like borderline kind of cheesy, but like I think you have a gift when you really say this that you're just going to inspire like one person who's going to go and take that action. >> If you have people and you inspire 100 of those people, it's like >> realistically out of 100 if you inspire 100,000 people better now. Like if you inspire 100,000 people, let's be real, one of those people are going to be extremely successful. So it's like that's the whole thing is like the mindset I think people forget is like if I can inspire one person that one day might exceed my limit, which they probably will, that's like a that's that's a that's like a goal of life. You know what I'm saying? It's just like it's a gift of life. It's like being able to inspire people. And I think people take for granted or they don't comprehend that this is like again what you said, it's cheesy, but it's like they don't comprehend that this is one life. You know what I'm saying? So like when I die, it's like what can I actually leave behind? If I can inspire someone or have someone be big and huge, it's like that's a success in life and to me. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know. That's so if you want to say the one thing that you think can actually inspire the most amount of people. If you're just speaking directly to them, there's going to be a lot of listen listeners here that are like on a long car drive, maybe they're at the gym, maybe they're just like chilling on their couch. They need to hear this one thing. What would it be? If you can't give 100% and you can only give 10% right of your energy, but you give that 10% of your energy, you gave 100%. Think about it. You understand the quote? You understand it? >> Whose quote is that? My quote. Oh, no. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But serious though, if you can't give 100% in something in life and you can only give like a 10% and you give that 10%, you gave 100%. Then you're giving 100% of what you have still. That's what I'm saying. Even if it's 10%, you're giving. But that's the problem is most people won't give an effort. That's the thing. And I think failure is the biggest way to become successful in life. I think you have to fail. I think you have to make mistakes. I think you have to lose everything to gain everything. You know, that's how I'm here. I lost everything at one point. And I understood it. I appreciated it. And I realized what I had and that I made sure I don't lose it again, you know? >> I couldn't agree more. And I also think it's important to have a good relationship with failure. failure like okay it's an opportunity not fail it's like what do you do you just going to quit >> yeah that's how I've always viewed it like if if there's some sort of failure I try to look at that like what is this trying to teach me to improve in the future and like how is this going to make >> the world better >> it's the only way and it really is because it's like the people who see failure and they just quit it's Okay. I mean, that's your aspect on life. It's like you're not going to become rich. You're not going to become wealthy saying seeing a failure and being like, you know what I'm saying? Like these guys who are billionaires are like, are they good people deep down? I don't know. >> They probably failed way more than ever. They probably failed. >> You got to watch that video, the Jubilee video, the capitalist versus what was it like socialist. Holy. >> No, but that's what I'm saying. People are just like >> you if you seriously watch this video, it's like an hour and a half. It is one of the best videos that I've seen on YouTube. Patrick Bet David, if you're familiar with him. >> I've heard of that guy. I think >> he sits down and he talks about business, money, mindset, and you see the stark difference between the people on the other side, the victim mentality, the woe is me, I can't do it. >> Three jobs after getting divorced and my dad took all the money and she was losing money and she was still putting table food on the table. She was still figuring out ways. I'm telling you, it's a it's a mindset. It's like these people >> are victimizing themselves. It's the truth. And the problem is the people who get upset about that that are watching this video, they're the proof in the pudding. You know what I'm saying? Like those are the people that I'm talking about. It's like they don't want to change their mindset cuz they want to give up on life. And that's why it's so stupid to say, but that's why you're always going to be like in this like matrix. It's just so if you heard if you heard what he said and your initial thought process in response was like easy for you to say if if you're thinking right now easy for you to say, I think he's speaking exactly directly to you. >> Yeah. Cuz I've been in the position. That's what I'm saying. It's like I'm I'm I I haven't been in a position to work a 9 to5. I understand it gets hard and I understand it's harder and I'll never understand that position because I've never done that. I've never had a family where I'm working and I'm trying to put food on the table, whatever. I'm grateful for my life and it is easy for me to say in that sense. But I also you can't the people who live that life, they can't say it's easy for me if they've never lived my life. How did I get to this point? How did I you know what I'm saying? Like I don't know to to wrap that part up, it's like you you have to you have to fail. You have to fail and you cannot let it affect you. As soon as you let it affect you, it's like, "All right, you're not you're gone." It's like, >> then it's a real failure. >> Yeah. You're done. You're done. It's your mindset on life. If I had the mindset when I wasn't doing as good viewership wise, it's like what? I wouldn't have been here. You know what I'm saying? So, it's like you just >> I hope this video gets a 10 out of 10. No, I'm just kidding. So, you guys learn. All right. So, we have a tier list for you. This is a fun little thing we're going to do at the end. Let us know what you thought. Let us know what you think about each streamer and drag them into whatever category you think they >> think about them in what way >> just in any the first >> I got to explain I would say think about them in the first way that comes to mind. >> Okay. >> Um I'll be honest with you I think one of these people I don't know. >> Um Okay. So first is Aiden Ross. I think Aiden Ross will never get the respect that he deserves. Um I think it's more or less for his controversies that he's had. I think people don't really respect him a lot of what he's done and how he's built Twitch. I would dick ride all whatever. I think he's S tier. I think he's a genius when it comes to stuff. Do I think he's as passionate as he is now? The truth is no. And Aiden, if you're watching, I hope you become passionate. You see my texts all the time. I've tried telling him. I think he could be at a whole new level if he a whole new level if he was more passionate. Do I think his work ethic is good right now? Yeah. But he's genuinely he's a smart person. He's people think he's a dumbass. He's a smart smart person. Um, agent. Agent I would say like I don't say if I put him at B tier. Am I a dick? No. But I think agent is at the top of B tier. Like no. But the thing is I I don't actually I'm going to put Agent at A tier only because um he streams so consistently. He doesn't care about numbers and he creates actual content. like he's a genius when it comes to content. He's very passionate about what he does and I think he he he's always going to find success in his own ways and he's been doing this for like 8 years too. He he's he's really smart and he deserves everything that he's got. Fuzie >> Fuzie, bro, um please don't find me in the random streets and beat me up. I'm going to have to put you at D tier. The only reason I wouldn't put you at F tier is because you were very successful when it came to content early on to YouTube and then you found success in streaming and then you just went off the rails. Like he went off the rails like I feel like he he didn't really >> I don't know, bro. He some something was going on mentally. Um >> yeah, sorry. >> He's got great clips though. Like the one of Faith in the Pool Everything he does is just viral. >> He's hilarious. And actually, I'd put him at Ctier. He's hilarious, but I couldn't put him anywhere above Ctier because it's like he's so all over the place. He takes breaks for months, sometimes years, and then goes on these rants, etc. Um, Jack Dhy, this is going to surprise a lot of people. Uh, Jack Dhy is the cringiest kid ever. He's a annoying cringe kid, but it's also funny enough, no one will believe this. It's all an image. I don't think the kid is actually like that. He's a genius when it comes to making money. I know how he makes money. He signs these Only Fans girls. He does real estate. He may he may flex. He may be cringe. He may be stupid. But at the end of the day, like this kid is doing all this for market value. Like people are talking about him. We know who he is because he's annoying cringe kid and he's smart. So he I would put him at Ctier also, but I'd put him above Fuzie because Jack Pride knows how to make really good money. >> Hassan, I don't really watch Hassan. Um I know that it's obviously political. Um so I I can't really take notes on that because I don't watch him. Um, but I know Hassan is like, "Should I just put a new What should I do for people I don't want? >> Just don't just skip it." >> Okay. Um, but he's smart. Hassan's smart. He knows he knows how to do Jason. Um, I've had faith in Jason probably prime since I met him. The day I met him, I known him when he had like 500 viewers. I genuinely think he is an S tier streamer. And I'm not even just saying that because he's my friend. I just know he's an S tier streamer because I know he's always going to be figuring out some ways to make content and he's always going to figure out a way to be successful. And I think that's a trait that not a lot of people have is finding ways to always be successful and always make content. Oh, Johnny Somali. >> I'm not going to lie, I've never watched Johnny Somali, but I'm pretty sure he's in jail right now. >> He is. >> Um, he ruined IRL streaming to an extent. I think he he he he tried going above and beyond and he's the he's actually the exact thing that people think I am now. Like I'm an annoying IRL streamer, but I'm not. Like I know my boundaries. He didn't. He didn't know his boundaries. So what? Like Btier? S tier. F. Um Kaisenat. They're going to call me dick riding, but Kaiat is 100,000% S tier. And I only think that because this man figured out ways to shift. The biggest thing is why I also put Aiden here also. And I know the controversy is like Aiden Ross, Kaisenat. Bro, they both they're both good in their own ways. Like Aiden Ross figured out a way to bring the culture onto Twitch. Kaisen figured out a way to also bring the culture on Twitch. And like it's it's so brilliant how Kai does his people don't want to give him credit. I understand it. It's just how the internet is. Um, but he's very smart and he makes great content and he figures out ways to be at the top of the level. He's he's the top of the top. You know what I'm saying? And I also think he's going to be bigger than streaming. I don't I don't I you can quote me now. I guarantee you he will not be streaming probably in two years if that. Maybe even a year. I think he's going to do way bigger things off camera, whether it be YouTube, whether it be uh movies, etc. I think it's going to be another form of like how a Logan Paul was, how it's like they're not he's not a YouTuber no more. He's a whatever. I think Kai's not going to be a streamer as much. And if he is going to be a streamer, I think he's going to stream rarely. I think he's going to host like bigger events. Um, Lacy fat. Is there a fat one? >> Um, no. Lacy. Lacy I would also put at an A tier. And not just because he's my friend. I don't know if people are going to be like, "Oh, A tier. That's too high." Maybe he's at the top of B. But I would say he's only a tier only because he's he is the same way as Agent. He streams almost every day. And he also figures out a way to make organic content whether it be collabing with people which is hard to do. A lot of people can't collab with people but he also just makes he makes content for everybody and his clips he he does a lot of stupid and I think he's I think he's brilliant. Um people won't give him credit but I think he's brilliant and it's obviously funny cuz I'm putting my friends at the top. But I think that because I'm around them the most so I know how they are. Who who the [ __ ] is >> I don't know entourage a what >> a band? >> I don't know. He's got a whole entourage. Um the roadies. Lwig, I would say Lewig is also a very I would say he's highest on a only because um Lewig is mainstream, but I I feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture. People might think I'm crazy. I I feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture of like where if he went to it's a stupid example and he doesn't need this by the way, but like if he went to a Travis Scott concert, I don't think anyone's going to crowd Lewig because it's like a different audience. You know what I'm saying? And he doesn't need that. He is brilliant. He's crazy big on YouTube. He's he he has a whole different audience that I can I don't even have. I would never have that audience. And he he's at the top of A tier. And but see the thing is I put Jason at S tier. So I don't know. But the thing is I put Jason at S tier cuz I'm daytoday with him and it's like I know his plans. I don't know Lewig's plans but I would consider Lewig borderline S tier. Um he was the first person to break the record on Twitch for the subathon for how many subs you had. He creates new ideas every day. He's he's brilliant. Uh Mizkiff, I'm not really a fan of Msk. I think he's cool. Um he does content every single day, too. I think even if I don't know, I just I I don't watch his content, so I can't give too much on it, but I know he's not a Ctier. He's not on the same level as Jack Dhy and Fuzie, but uh I would put him at B only because it's like I don't watch him, but what I've seen is is like it's like more of like older Twitch stuff. You know what I'm saying? more like stuff. I don't know. I I just feel like there's not much advancing from that stuff if that makes s like I don't know. Maybe I'm sounds stupid. >> Sure. >> Um Neon, I would put him at a also >> because he just he even though people hate him, even though people think he's cringe, he always figures out a way to collab with some of the biggest names and like he'll figure out ways. He'll put his money where his mouth is. Doesn't matter if he pays Clippers, etc. He he he's successful and he's he's he's at a point. So, you can't hate on someone who's successful. Like, you you can't. He finds ways for everything. Um, Ninja, you ninja. Oh, that probably would have been one of my viral clips, too. One I should have mentioned that. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> me and him had beef. I don't know if you know about that. >> Yeah, we we did our research. >> It might have been the craziest. >> Yeah, >> I saw it. >> Um, Ninja, I'm not going to lie. I looked up to you uh for a long time. Um, and then obviously our drama happened and made me really sad. But I have to give you credit where credit is due. I would say, see, like if we're going off right now, I would have to put you at an A. I would put you at an S, but it's like >> he's not doing what he should be doing right now. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he didn't advance to the level he should have with how much popularity he had, but he made Fortnite as big as he borderline made me if you think about it, cuz he made Fortnite, which Fortnite made me. >> Yeah. So, I will put him at an A tier because he's still one of the goats and you have to give credit, but I wouldn't put him at S cuz right now I'm thinking about current state of the internet and I feel like he doesn't do as much right now. Um, >> Pokemon I can't I don't really watch her. Um, do I respect her? Yes. Um, but I don't watch her, but I also don't see her stream that much. And I feel like she doesn't do anything crazy. And I saw she dropped a cookie bag for $40 or something like that. I don't know if yall saw that. Um, but I think she's a genius and I think she's smart with how she does. She's a business person. At the end of the day, I'd put her at B tier only because I don't watch her and I don't know her. You know, it's crazy. She's probably going to see this and somehow get mad and probably never talk to me. >> Um, speed. Speed is easily up there on S. And I'd put him there not just because he's the biggest, but he figured out ways where anything he does is just like it's it's brilliant and it's like he he he changed how the culture is of streaming. He made IRL streaming like way different where like for me I would be able to go outside and go to In-N-Out and people would love it. Speed he goes to like all these places with crazy planned segments and it turned IRL streaming into like what it is today. I feel like and I feel like a lot of people want to be like a speed when they think about I want to be an IRL streamer. I want to be a streamer. It's like a speed, you know. So, I speed is definitely the goat. Um, Tim the Tapman, again, I'd put him at B only because I don't watch him. And again, he's a gamer. He's very consistent. He's been doing it for like 8, 10 years, 12 years, whatever. And he's been successful all 12 years. So, actually, I'd put him above. Yeah, I'd put him an A. I'd put Tim the But then I have to put Yeah, I'd put Tim the Tatman an A because he he's just always been consistent and he's always went live no matter what. Uh, Togei. Toi. How do you say his name? Toi. Togei. See, I don't really know Togei. I don't watch him, but he's hilarious. Um, he's a rich dude. >> I'm going to put him at B though only because I don't watch him. But I've met him in person one time and it was like 50 seconds and he was hilarious and super nice. >> Really, I really respect him a lot and he's he's dope. He's a really good person. >> Vitali, he's in jail right now. No, >> in Philippines or something like that. Vitali, I'm gonna put you at D above Johnny Somali because you actually you bro Vitali hate him or not early YouTube. >> Oh, he changed the game. The Miami Zombie >> game. He he had some of the best >> gold the gold digger pranks. >> He was the He was just goated, etc. He's a good dude though. I'm sure deep down he's just up in the head. I put him at D. Um Oh my god, Josh. >> Imagine if he had a content house with him, Johnny, Somali, and Fuzzy. Imagine Jack Dhy and Jack Dhy. Imagine that content house. That right there. I think they should do it. >> And Sam Hyde. I think that would be the >> And Josh Block >> and Josh Block. That would be the >> the most genius content. >> They would be making so much money. >> Especially if they all gambling. The whole [ __ ] would die so quickly. >> Dude, with Jitty on just doing like predator exposing videos, bring them to the house. That >> that's that's good. >> Um Josh Block, he's F only because this kid obviously has problems and they take advantage of him. He Someone's got to save this kid. I'm not I don't know what to talk about about this guy cuz I don't watch him, but like anything I've seen of him, it's something's >> something's up about him. Um XQC uh poor probably. Yeah. Very poor. That's what I've heard. >> Yeah. Doesn't really have much money. Fakes. He fakes everything. He view bbots to every Yeah. Everything that he does is just viewboted. It's It's fake. It's poor. Just >> uh XQC though. XQC, you're to go, bro. You're up there the same level. No one will ever be able to discredit you from a Kai to a speed to an Aiden. Doesn't matter if you have 10,000 viewers. Doesn't matter if you have 100,000 viewers. You are the most successful streamer in ways that people might not ever see. He's, if you go to his Twitch tracker where it shows how many days he's live, he's almost live every single day over the past 6 years. And we're talking not 2 hours, we're talking 10 to 24 hours a day for 6 years. I'm I'm so serious. >> I'm He's the only person in the world, I'm pretty sure. Right. >> Yeah. >> He's the only person in the world who's ever done this. How do you think that's really unhealthy? >> 100%. He he he's openly admitted it's unhealthy and you obviously see the real side of him because he's live so much. That's all his whole life is documented and but he's just so brilliant and he set the foundation for Twitch and people don't even realize it. Like the people who who like I'm just being honest, bro. It's like even before an Aiden Ross and a Kai and a Speed and a me, it doesn't matter. It's like XQC was the one doing these IRL streams when they weren't popular. XQC was the one who was playing games when they weren't popular, making content that people didn't see. Like he's he's a genius. Um, do I think he's up to par with everyone now? No. And I'd say that to him just because it's like he knows that though. It's like he doesn't care to keep up with how popularity is now. I think he just streams just to stream. But he he's a genius. He's >> one of the smartest streamers ever. >> And we might ever see. >> I don't know. >> Cool. >> Is that the whole list? >> Yeah, besides the song. I >> Where did you put yourself? >> I put myself at an A. I'm not an S. I don't think I'm ever going to be an S. Um, >> I don't think I'll be an S. only because it's like you have to do so much different to become that level. And personally, I love where I'm at. I'm not comfortable, but it's like I'm happy with it, you know? >> So, you think Johnny Somali is ranked higher than Joshua Block? >> Yeah, put Joshua Bach up to put him put him up a little bit. >> All right, we'll put him in B. >> Yeah, right. >> That's it. Um, >> dude, seriously, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour. That was a blast. Really fun to talk to a streamer. We want to get into talking to more streamers. So hopefully this kind of opens up the gates for that. >> Yeah, dude. Really? Like this is one of the more enjoyable ones cuz I feel like we could just, you know, shoot. >> Do me a favor. When you cut up the clips, whoever's doing it, please don't make me look too bad. >> Okay. Yeah, but I know we can get Go get whatever you need, but >> we'll do our best. >> We'll put your info down below in the description. And yeah, really appreciate this. Big thank you to White Glove Estates. Again, their info is also down below for allowing us to use this. They are a lifesaver. So, if you want to check him out, highly recommend it, especially if you're in Los Angeles. Shout out you guys for watching. Thank you so much. Shout out Spencer. He's listening to the audio. Thank you, Spencer. Until next time. See you. Thanks.