Good Ideas Spread & Grow - A Conversation with Savitri D. | Local Peace Economy Gathering 9.2.2026
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The video begins as a heartfelt tribute to the late poet Wendell Berry, who is remembered for his fierce clarity and ability to observe societal violence without being consumed by it. His life serves as a model of how to grieve for suffering while refusing to be owned by the forces causing that pain, acting instead as a "tuning fork" that keeps people awake to reality. Following this introduction, the focus shifts to Savitri D., the director of the Church of Stop Shopping, a radical performance community that blends art, activism, and spirit. For over twenty-five years, her group has staged direct actions and spectacles across the globe to resist consumerism, militarism, and extractive industries, all while fostering deep community resilience through song and collective action.
Savitri explains that their work is rooted in the belief that everyone is a creative being, even if society tries to categorize creativity only as a career path. She emphasizes reclaiming culture by integrating artistic expression into everyday life, from deciding how to make coffee to organizing one's space, arguing that survival itself is an act of creativity. The community practices democracy through singing, which naturally teaches members to attune to one another, find shared rhythms, and speak with a unified voice. This approach allows them to occupy public spaces and challenge capitalist suppression while maintaining a joyful, inclusive environment where diverse individuals can express their unique characters within a cohesive whole.
A significant portion of the conversation addresses the delicate balance between care work and oppositional activism in a world facing constant disasters and economic instability. Savitri highlights the danger of allowing the "war economy" to force everyone into service roles like disaster relief, which can drain resources needed for resistance. She advocates for maintaining a clear distinction between providing aid and engaging in direct action against oppressive systems, noting that while care is essential, it must not replace the work of pushing back on governments and corporations that fail the people. The dialogue underscores the importance of having structured pathways to handle conflict within communities, suggesting the concept of "conflict fairies" who are trained to mediate disputes so that groups do not fracture under anxiety and fear.
The gathering concludes with a renewed commitment to building a future based on a culture of peace rather than continuing the broken systems of the present. Savitri's message is that true leadership involves weaving together the skills of an artist, the heart of a caregiver, and the courage of an activist to create new realities in contested spaces. As the event wraps up with another poem by Wendell Berry, the participants are encouraged to carry forward these lessons of truth and resilience, reminding everyone that they can remain free from despair even when facing global challenges. The final call to action invites attendees to engage with their local communities to stop massive war budgets and to continue the work of educating, inspiring, and activating others toward a more just world.
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culture.
Thank you, Marie. Perfect timing. We
always start out with a piece of
culture, but today I'd like to do this
as a tribute to the amazing poet Wendel
Berry, who left this earth earlier this
week.
I feel this loss physically. He's been a
tuning fork for many and a beacon of
truth
and unrelenting in his attempts to wake
us up or keep us awake to life.
He was a dear friend. I've known him for
decades and you know in this work we do
and and one of the things I always say
is you know don't pay attention to the
violence and war and distraction because
it's stealing your life away. Well, I
want to say he taught me that and he can
be like as fierce and clearsighted as
anyone and describe what we are doing
and how are we wasting our lives. He can
do that without ever getting caught by
what's causing it. Everything he did was
serving you. Everything he did was
serving life. Everything he did was to
be a tuning fork for how do we move into
care for the earth? How do we move into
care for life? It doesn't mean he didn't
point out what was happening, but it
wasn't owning him. He was just
observing. Like we say at good pink, we
shine a light on it and then we shine a
light forward. He was my teacher because
he was never caught by it.
Isn't that it didn't grieve him what it
caused or who suffered uh the earth, the
people, all of it. He could grieve for
the suffering, but he didn't get caught
by those causing it. And so I just want
to bring him in as the teacher of that
part that I try to pass on because he
was always redirecting us into where do
we serve life? How to be in relationship
with life. And a few years ago, he wrote
this poem that I want to share.
The loved ones,
the loved ones we call the dead, depart
from us and for a while are absent
and then as if called back by our love,
they come near us again. They enter our
dreams.
We feel they have been near us when we
might not have thought of them. They are
simply here simply waiting while we are
distracted among our obligations.
At last it comes to us they live now in
the permanent world. We are the absent
ones.
And I'll have one more but I'm going to
save it to the end because I'm really
excited to introduce you to Savry Ed.
So,
a dear comrade, an always yes. She's the
co-founder of the Stop Shop Inquir with
Reverend Billy who's on a train to his
nephew's uh wedding today.
Since 2001, Savatry has staged direct
actions, intervention, and spectacles in
contested space all over the world and
collaborated with communities to create
paths of resistance and resilience.
Most recently, she's been deeply
involved in the issues of immigration,
extinction, and fossil fuel extraction.
She has lectured and led workshops on
the topic of creative resistance at
universities and festivals all over the
world and has led direct action
trainings for thousands of people.
The Church of Stop Shopping is the
recipient of the Obie Award, the Albert
Award in the Arts, and the Edwin Booth
Award in Theater, the Acuran Award, and
the 2026 Arts and Religion Award from
the Academy of the American Academy of
Religion. So
to me, Savatry is the architect of the
ark. She is culture. She is community
not by accident. She was born into a a
community uh that her parents founded
and so literally community where
community was the core and she's a
dancer. Um people think she's you know a
choir leader but she's like a super
accomplished dancer with the um from the
M Cummingham dance company which I like
bow to that um anyone could do that. Um,
so
there's just so many many memories I
have with how the church of Stop
Shopping Choir has been part of cook
pink. One of my favorites and what we
need them back for now is coming to
Congress in 2005 as we were trying to
stop the War Powers Act uh bill and we
had shopping carts and we sang through
the halls of Congress and what they are
is always joyful and community. The
depth of community is rich and what we
you know when we say good pink educate
inspire and activate this is what they
do. Um, another favorite memory is we
went, we were doing a direct action with
Satry and it was media and Ray and I and
um, we went into a bank and tried to
show them how indecent they were by
taking shirts off and they called the
cops and Savatry was out of there in a
minute totally sneaking behind the cops
and never arrested. I was like, "Oh man,
these New Yorkers know how to do this.
They're like, they can do it and they're
gone." Um, so she was definitely a
teacher for me like do it and go.
[gasps]
um she eluded their grasp and I was
again impressed.
Another favorite was, you know, one of
the things she is is also, you know,
she's the artistic creator. So,
everybody dressing up as bees when they
were talking about the destruction of
the chemicals in the global bee
population.
So delightful that could Pinkly try to
dress up in costumes, but we can never
quite match Salvatore's genius. So,
Salvatry, welcome to our local peace
economy gathering. Um, I'd love to start
with you just telling us about your
cultural expression um as the stop
shopping choir and how you care for
community as you serve a larger
community.
Thank you so much, Jody. Um, thank you,
Marie, and and thank you for bringing
Wendelberry into the room and the that
voice of Appalachia who's meant so much
to so many people. Um, he is missed
already and really just a great person.
So, thank you. And and also for that
introduction. And I'm always a little
embarrassed during introductions because
I'm like, wait, is that is she talking
about me? Um, [laughter]
and when I ran from the cops at our
action, which I always train people,
don't run from the cops. Never run from
the NYPD. Um, it's cuz I didn't have a
babysitter. I realized at the last
minute that
[laughter]
Anyway, just so you know, don't run from
the cops, people. Um,
so yeah, I'm the director of the Church
of Stop Shopping and um, we're we call
ourselves a radical performance
community. It's about anywhere from 50
to 100 sort of active members here in
New York City. Um, and we we work at the
intersection of of spirit and activism
and
art. And I, you know, that's an old
practice. I think people have been
working at that intersection for
thousands of years. We didn't invent
that intersection by any means. Um, and
I think if I could say it in it sort of
broadest terms, we we have been
resisting consumerism and militarism for
like 25 years. And and that encompasses
everything from gentrification
of our neighborhoods, which is really
the the seed of the work here. um all
the way to, you know, wars, extractive
wars, um oppressive regimes, and you
know, bad bad foreign policy. Let's say
broadly.
Um
I think uh my partner and I talk,
Reverend Billy, talk a lot about um
where the where the meaning actually
comes from for us or like what holds our
meaning. Um, and I and I think
community, which Jod mentioned, um,
we we wouldn't exist without community.
We are essentially a social project. We
are essentially a gathering of people
um, who state our beliefs and our values
out loud to each other um, and then
integrate that into our bodies in
action. And and um, we do that over and
over and over again. That is our
practice. Um and we do it by singing
largely and and and the communication
begins with singing and ends with
singing. Um and singing I have to say
another ancient technology you know that
really precedes language most people
think. Um, singing is is this amazing
tool and I'm sure you've all sung in
your life, but in in a political sense,
in a strategic sense, um, in an activist
sense, singing is this this great tool
for practicing democracy because you do
all these things together sort of
automatically. You tune to each other.
You you find a note to together. You
practice rhythm together. you say the
same words out loud together a lot of
the time. Um there's all these practices
within the practice of singing that
teach you
a kind of democratic practice. Um so
that's like a really fast and broad kind
of story of what we do. Uh we're based
in New York. We're we're all ages,
races, um nationalities,
economic backgrounds. We really um that
is part of our work is is is plurality,
diversity. It's it's something we take
very seriously um as a as a gesture of
our meaning, but also as a source of
resilience. Um
and yeah, we've worked on a a very broad
range of topics. Everything from
mountaintop removal to um you know,
Starbucks in our neighborhood to
honeybees and glyphosates.
Um but I have to say at the at the
um we we rise each morning. I rise I'll
speak only for myself here but I rise
each morning you know with the
possibility of peace and I that is what
I carry through my day. Today can be a
day where I work for peace and um in
that sense I really am so grateful
always and just have to say it. Thank
you so much, Jod, and everyone here
who's a part of Code Pink. But Jod and
Media have long been our our teachers,
our allies, our our sisters in the in
the work of peace because that is just
at the heart of everything that we do as
well.
>> Thank you so much. We love being our
comrades. Um we're looking forward to
playing more together. So, you know what
you do so beautifully. I mean, you've
talked about what that ex external
expression looks like, but can you talk
a little bit about the weaving of your
community? Like, you really the love,
the connection, and I love what you said
about attuning together, you know, what
that is. That's a that's a powerful way
to share how community can come together
and in that in tunement.
um what have what are other ways that
you've seen over these 25 years um that
community has transformed that you've
deepened your understanding of what
community needs? Is there anything you
could share as as folks are building
their communities locally? Um what are
the lessons you've learned um over the
25 years? Because you literally are the
weaver holder. you you really I know are
learning a lot. I I watch you you're
constantly if you're watching them
together
is everywhere pulling everyone together
conducting choreographing. Um so there's
so many pieces you hold that I know are
or pieces that weave it together. Um
anything that you've learned that you
want to share?
>> Yeah. Um,
you know,
it's tricky because uh so much of what
what uh strengthens community feels so
natural, like eating together, um
helping each other, you know, like when
your friend has to move, helping them
move, like all those lubricating things
that we do as groups and have done. um
just the the work of care. I'd say to
start with like uh taking that seriously
and actually taking it on in a in a um
in a dedicated [clears throat]
and intentional way like you know as my
mother used to tell me if you can help.
If someone asks you for help and you can
help help you know and um it sounds so
simple sort of like love thy neighbor
sounds simple you know but it's that
little hinge in there if you can help.
Well what does that mean? you have to do
the work of asking yourself, can I help?
And what does that mean to you
personally? And what does it mean in
terms of resources and materials? But
anyway, I'd say uh
another thing to think about in
community and and something that doesn't
get talked about a lot um and is
especially important in in communities
where people are different from each
other, which is to me in a kind of ideal
situation um is transparency. you know,
it's like really being explicit, being
um being [clears throat]
clear with each other, stating things
out loud, not assuming that people
understand the code of your community.
Um not assuming that people understand
how decisions are made or how leadership
works. Um and of course, we've learned
this in difficult ways and also
miraculous ways, right? Sometimes you
learn this because there's a conflict
and you realize that something
um just could have been stated so early
on like and and it would have avoided
that whole conflict. Um but also I just
think it puts people on more level
footing. Um
again these old ideas like working on
something together, having something
outside of yourself that you engage
with, right? when we um like a friend
group is maybe a little bit different. A
a socializing friend group is a little
bit different than a working community
because um it doesn't always have that
uh thing out outside of the self to work
on to carry together. And I think there
are so many practices for that and they
seem sort of dumb in a way, but like
even just if you don't already have that
thing, if an activist group is trying to
form and like form an affinity group or
whatever you call it, a a community
group, um to do some of those theater
games that that teach you to work
together, to do a simple thing like
volunteer for a day together doing
something um you know, help someone
carry their wood pile from that side of
the house to the other side of the
house, it almost doesn't matter. But in
the in the cohesion of effort, um
there's so much to learn and there's so
much to gain really from that. Um,
and then I guess another thing is just
like I think it's important to have
pathways for conflict now more than ever
to to have clear pathways for conflict
to acknowledge the inevitability of
conflict and then have uh forms in place
to hold conflict. And if that's like a
couple of people who are on duty to be,
you know, conflict fairies or whatever
you want to call those things. I think
conflict is very difficult right now. I
think it we used to assume conflict more
and we've our culture has gone through
changes where conflict has become very
difficult for people to deal with. So I
think it's just
um and you know we could talk about all
the reasons why and there's many but um
again to explicitly share with people
like if you have a problem if you have a
problem with someone like here's what to
do that teaching form and it it feels
pedantic sometimes with adults like gosh
don't you just we all we all know this
we know what to do if there's a problem
but we don't [laughter]
we really don't. And there's so much
fear and anxiety in groups that um it's
just important to say it out loud. You
know, look, go to Marie and say, "Marie,
I I can't deal with this by myself. I
need your help. Marie, can you help me?
I need to deal with this conflict." And
Marie and I are going to find a way or
there's a person you could talk to. Um I
think it's important.
>> Wow. Conflict fairies. Um, we're gonna
add that pink [laughter]
tomorrow.
>> Um, well, do you find I mean that's
interesting that you say about conflict
right now because we're finding it too.
And I think it's when
you know you're not getting any
resolution to what you're having to
carry, all the grief you're having to
carry. And we um, you know, we hurt the
ones we love. What is it? you always
hurt the one you love or it's just like
where you're you let it out where it's
comfortable because you don't know how
to hold it all
>> and we're all holding too much anxiety
and fear and um I we're just working on
our you know the 25th anniversary of the
um
war on terror that's this you know this
coming week next week
>> and you know you think back and it was
the argument right was to keep American
America is safe.
>> Yeah.
>> And 25 years later, we live in a country
where everyone lives out of anxiety
>> and they paid for it. That's the really
sad thing is we all paid for it with our
tax dollar. We all work really really
hard
>> to pay for that.
>> So um that's uh you know that's that's
hard to witness. So you're right
conflict fairies I love. Thank you
>> um and for really witnessing this time
because I think all of us in our
communities are witnessing it and and
looking for you know how do we serve it
because it isn't and we by the way we
all we do these every other week because
we all forget all the time everything
[laughter]
>> we renew
>> I feel you the tuning fork of like what
um so the other piece so the comm we say
You know, here we are. We live in a war
economy. It is
creating a tsunami of hell ahead of us.
>> And how we survive is having uh the ark,
which is community and culture. The
things that have been stolen away from
us really literally ripped away because
when they rip it away, then they can own
us and do whatever they want with us.
The other piece that you have really
well and I I don't want to leave it
behind because it's I think the hardest
one for everyone is the culture piece.
You're an artist
>> and you're an artist in many forms and I
think
>> two things I I think you do really well
is both the culture piece and the
leadership piece and the value of
leadership and understanding the
responsibilities in it and and you know
how that helps be a a trim tab to moving
forward. Um, so anything in there that
you want to share, but you know, if you
could tell everybody like you're you're
a trained artist of of, you know, pretty
intense a pretty intense degree if
somebody's an artist, like what you got
to do as a dancer, but then you've come
in and you've just brought yourself as
an artist through costumes, through
choreography, through the art of
culture. So, how do you how do you see
the culture, the need for culture as
part of the holding together of the
whole?
>> Well, isn't that interesting? I mean,
[sighs]
um, number one, I just I want to
one of the things that gets ripped away
from us also is our understanding of our
own creativity.
um to begin with right at the very
beginning when we're children and we
want to draw and we want to be artists
and we um we choose paths in life this
is one of the ways I feel you know the
reclamation of culture has to start very
very young to understand that we are all
of us are walking around creative being
creative constantly um you know deciding
how to have coffee is a creative act
which cup I mean we start our days with
so much creat creativity each one of us
and and we don't call it that and it
gets put into categories and and uh
commercial forms from a very young age
right the goal of being an artist is is
marked as a career in in western and
capitalist cultures for children even
you know when this is just something
that as humans with these incredible
tools these human hands you know and our
senses and our awareness. Um, we are all
artists, you know, constantly. We're
making meals, we're deciding to get
dressed, we're organizing rooms, we're
making creative decisions all day. So, I
want to say that um, you know, I I'm not
this is not like a platitude to say that
we are all artists. You know, art art
art has to be reclaimed into into the
fabric of everyday life and everyday
moments by all of us and and understood
that way. You know, when you know when
indigenous people are making baskets to
put water in, you know, that's art just
as much as you know when we have
different tools today to do that. So
take it seriously and call it what it
is. you know we are creative beings and
and what we do is creative living
surviving is creativity. Um that said
you know yes I was trained in in formal
ways and I I came into activism as an
artist. I was I mean I was always an
activist. I I always was you know I was
one of those kids who just couldn't I
just couldn't take it. I couldn't
understand why things were the way they
were and it made me angry and upset from
the time I was very young. But um a as a
as an adult when I moved to New York to
be a performer and I just had this
feeling like where what is going on
here? This is wild. The stage and the
and the theatrical space has nothing to
do with the outside space. We're not
reflecting. We're not responding. We're
not in conversation with the actual
world we live in. Um and and I really it
was a hard break for me away from the
the so-called commercial arts or or the
careerism of art of art making. I just
couldn't I couldn't engage with it. So,
you know, when you talk about pivoting
in the, you know, in the peace economy,
pivoting away from things, I I really
took a hard pivot out of the arts and
into activism. And I took
[clears throat] my toolkit with me. And
I do think of it as a toolkit. I think
of of the work of my hands and the and
my choreographic or musical mind. Those
are those are tools, you know, just like
any other tools. one one can acquire
them and use them um for any purpose,
right? Um and I've just chosen in a in a
pretty
yeah pretty thorough way uh to to use
them for activives. And I also want to
say like if you make that choice, it's a
pretty black and white choice a lot of
times. Like I as soon as I was doing
that,
the doors closed in a lot of ways in the
commercial arts. a lot of my values made
it impossible to live and work in inside
of the art systems.
>> Well, I think that's why we call that's
the difference of labeling a culture
instead of art in the sense of
>> um art the co-option of art as the
dance, you know, like those forms. You
chose the culture part which we call the
peace economy part the the the part that
goes with community that builds
community builds relationship like
you're recognizing the disconnect of the
art from the culture. Yeah. where
culture itself, all the ways we express
it and with our creativity which is
taken away from us by the war economy.
Um that's that's like the the connective
tissue. Um because like you said, we're
all cultural creators. Um but some of us
need leadership, some of us need
support, some of us need, you know, a
conductor or a choreographer. Like all
of those things are valuable, but they
don't need to be a career. They can just
be a skill that is brought in just like
somebody who can make the
>> the costumes, you know, so the costumes
or, you know, it's just like they're all
things we come in with as skills. And
you
seem to have the skill of knowing how to
weave out of people and into the
community the the the
expression of themselves. You know, it's
just like, you know, if I if I watch you
with the choir, you're pulling
everyone's character into the
choreography of it. And it's it's a
delight in the sense of there's so many
different characters. Nobody's you're
not you're not asking everyone to be the
same. They're expressing themselves in
the unison. Um, and that's that I think
is the cultural piece of like how do we
be and express and have this stance of,
you know, the way you um you're
educating, you know, I I at Code Pink we
say educate, inspire, activate. You
educate, inspire, and activate, you
know, and uh you're audacious, and
you're um and yet your sense of care of
each other is so deeply felt in your
performance, you know, because that is
also what it is. It's the moment where
you show up, flip into, and then
literally spellbound an audience, you
know, and not only spellbound them, but
then have them engage.
So, um,
>> it's so much about about um public
space. For me, it's so much
>> about doing things in public and and not
in a in these kind of contested spaces
where well, it's it's not always
contested. More and more public space is
always contested, but um finding places
that are charged with the dynamic
tension between capitalism and culture,
right, in in in your definition of
culture, right? finding these spaces
where the culture is trying to express
itself but is being suppressed,
oppressed, repressed by capitalist
forces in all those forms. Whether
that's too many ads, too much marketing,
too much pressure to shop or just
straight up police or the threat of
police or uh first amendment
suppression. So finding
a a a charged public space and doing
something w in it with other people and
the and the the flexing of those muscles
together and the and the courage that
ensues, the feeling of courage with a
group of people. Um and the respect that
it grows in you for them, right? and
them for you and that you learn to see
each other in this other way outside of
the categorical ways that we are trained
to see each other. Class, uh, race, um,
age, all those things. And so you see
the person, the being there who who
you're walking and moving through life
with, you know, and and um I think so
much of what we do and and how we learn
to see and respect each other comes from
being in these um in in these public
spaces in acts of resistance. Um you
know, and it's I'm not trying to suggest
that we're always under the baton and
getting beat up. I mean, and sometimes
we're actually just singing in Time
Square. Like, it's not that it's
dangerous. I'm not saying, but it
sometimes feels dangerous, [laughter]
you know, and there's a difference. But,
>> um, that is so beautiful. That is so
beautiful. Um, so maybe you could tell
us what you're doing now. I mean, the
other thing I I do know is you I've also
watched you serve the community, you
know, like literally
your work isn't about
your work is has been just the community
is really hurting. How do we serve it?
like
>> yeah,
>> I've been in your space where it's like
you're collecting food to literally feed
people and um so you know I I I watch
you morph to need which I think is so
beautiful. So could you tell us what
you're doing now? Because the other
thing is you work like you were at Joe's
Pub and you like you you occupy these
spaces, the public space, but then you
also occupy space where people can come
and practice and participate and really
go to church, [laughter]
>> go to the church or stop dropping. Um I
mean the care question is a really and
need is a really um it's something we as
activists have to really grapple with I
think right. um [sighs]
a situation where that hit home very
hard here in New York was um you know in
in the waning days of Occupy Wall Street
which I'm sure most of you um and you
probably had Occupies in your own
communities of some sort um so now
almost 15 years ago
uh so Occupy Wall Street was just
massive and it's just this global
like
um conflration of energies building on a
lot of work in in in other countries
really but and it didn't necessarily
start here. I'm just saying it really
came to a a a sort of it caught on fire
here in a certain way. So, um, we were
hit by a tremendous storm, Hurricane
Sandy or Supertorm Sandy as it's
sometimes called, and a lot of the
people who were working on the
occupation at Wall Street turned pivoted
and went right out to the beach and
started doing relief work. And I
remember it as a profound moment of like
first of all, we didn't talk about it
enough. we didn't have enough
conversation about we did it very
automatically like we're doing this
because it has to be done right um but
after it happened we didn't unpack it
enough and and I have thought about it a
lot since because it was a very critical
moment in activism in New York City that
highlights a couple of things one is um
that care is is not the same as and
relief work mutual aid these things are
basic critical we do them because we're
human. We do them because we care. Um
they're not the same as uh oppositional
acts of resistance, right? Um service is
not this is not always activism, right?
It's it like we can see that there's a a
brightish line between these two things
that we want to do. And um capitalism
will put us all in service because it's
not doing what it's you know our
governments are failing, our systems are
failing, our structures are failing,
they don't do what they're supposed to
do for the people, right? That work will
fall to us. It will and it will more and
more as as these disasters occur. And we
have to we have to be clear about um
aid care uh support and this bright line
between that and oppositional work
activism resistance um pushing back on
on the on the same government that's
letting us fall through all these
cracks. And um so while I really have uh
I mean I I will never stop running
upstairs with food after a supertorm.
Obviously we have to do that work. If we
can we do, right? We if we have
resources and we can share them, we
share them. If someone's hungry and I'm
eating and you know we do what we can,
right? Um,
and we we have to ask ourselves hard
questions in in in these hard times
moving forward like so we can't forget
about the other work, right? And the
thing is that care work will take
everything you have. So you have to um
we have to I have to find ways to to go
back to the activism, right? It's very
difficult to walk away from care to go
to a police line and and yet and I know
some of you have experienced this right
it it's something we have to talk about
so we have ways of doing it do we trade
off in the care do I say okay I've done
the care now and especially the fems
among us the women you know this work
falls to us a lot and and so we have to
be careful I [laughter] say you know as
as far as that balance as activists, you
know, and um and that is also cultural
work, you know, activism is is it's not
separate, you know. So um
>> oh that is so right where we are you
know because the code pink is like yes
we need to continue to shine a light on
stand in the way of um shine a light
forward and we need to be building the
future
>> and the future has to be built on a
culture of peace which is like the work
you're doing because if you aren't it
>> you can't build the future you're just
going to build the same thing and um and
it will be broken. So, it's being able
to do both and weave them together. And
thank you for articulating that because
So, I mean, I I want to just say again
what you said. Um, the war economy is
going to force all of us to do its work.
It's stealing our money. It's destroying
the earth. It's not doing what it's
meant to do. And it's making us
responsible for its work. Yeah.
>> And finding, we talk about that a lot,
finding the space where you can know
this isn't my responsibility, but what
do I need to show up for for this human?
And um you know, like and what does that
look like? Um because literally we can't
just keep taking it on because they will
keep throwing it on us.
>> And that distinction is super important.
And we are up against disaster after
disaster. I mean, I forgot to start this
with um that this last weekend the news
like the mainstream news reported that
25% of the United States is functionally
unemployed.
um that's a huge number
>> and if you go back to
um the crash and you know what was a bad
time it's like that number is not much
bigger but we're in denial about what we
live in and so another reason why we
must stop this 1.5 trillion um war bill
like with everything that we have
because
the it's a ripping like We're watching
the fabric rip open. It's a like fullon
fire.
>> Um it's a forest fire against the fabric
of our connectivity.
So I want to see if there's anybody that
has a question for Salvatri before we
break into our breakouts um segments. Uh
any questions? Even if it's just
gratitude for her leadership. Any hands
up? [laughter]
Uh,
thanks for the heart, Melissa. Macy.
Macy, by the way, uh, Salvatree has a
community that she's been growing in
Washington State that, you know, we say
when you start doing this, it's just
like, oh, it's never going to happen.
And then all of a sudden, it's like a
rocket ship and you can't keep up with
it and you're like, holy.
>> Yeah. People want they want they want
this. People want this.
need it and want it. [clears throat]
>> Yes. Like moths to a flame, which which
is good. I just wanted to let you know
that everything you said I had something
to say like in addition to or like in
response to and I so wish I was like
sitting at a coffee table with you.
Everything was like so inspiring and
spoton and I'm really grateful for you
being here.
I haven't seen somebody cover so many
different aspects [laughter]
>> before and and I'm really really happy
that it came tonight. So, thank you very
much.
>> Good luck.
>> Anyone else have a question or comment?
Freddy's quiet today. So, Melissa with a
heart. Um,
all right. So, um, if anybody wants to
unmute and say thank you to our guest
before I break you into, um, breakouts
for your, uh, conversations, but Satry,
thank you so much. Like, you dropped so
much wisdom. I can't wait to go back and
edit it some of it out into sharables.
Um, because, you know, you're living it.
You know, it it the ring of truth uh,
coming out of you is so necessary for
everybody. we say, you know, we're we're
we work to be tuning forks
>> and you are a tuning fork, a very strong
tuning fork. So, thank you for
>> tuning us today. Um, thank you for all
you do and I hope to find you in the
streets uh climate week.
>> See you soon.
>> All right,
>> everyone. Appreciate you. Good luck out
there. Stay [laughter] safe.
>> Thank you.
>> You too. That was great. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
All right. So, now that you've heard all
of this, um when you go into your
breakout section sessions, um maybe
share with each other what is something
that you heard that you feel like you
can integrate into what you're doing. Um
what uh what is something that she said
or some reminder? I thought some of the
ideas about um the bringing of the
culture in and how that like I was
thinking even as she was talking about
the singing of uh and the conflict
fairies maybe the um the conflict fairy
is actually just singing together that
that attunement itself is is quite
magical and um I can't wait to we used
to do it all the time at good pink and
write songs and I think we need to start
doing that more.
>> So, um, so in your breakouts, looks like
there'll be two of them. Um,
share like what did you hear? Because
you know, like I was raising up some of
what I heard. Is there something that
struck you that you heard like, "Oh,
that is something I can take into my
community."
>> Yes. All of it. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Yay. We will we will definitely there's
some fabulous edits in there that um
will turn into teaching tools.
>> So is there anybody has any questions
for me before we
>> Yeah.
>> I'm going to split. All right. I missed
a um presentation and I
>> Okay.
>> And my head is too wound up.
>> Okay.
>> Too bad.
>> It's democracy.
She was quite well before everyone
leaves I I just want to finish us off
with another poem by Wendel Barry. So
John stay for that
um because you missed the part about
Wendell like not letting the world that
was you know so horrible get anyway get
into his mood. So the peace of wild
things
when despair for the world grows in me
and I wake in the night at the least
sound in fear of what my life and my
child's lives may be. I go and lie down
where the wood drake rests in his beauty
on the water and the great heron feeds.
I come into the peace of wild things who
do not tax their lives with forethought
of grief. I come into the presence of
still water. And I feel above me the day
blind stars waiting with their light.
For a time I rest in the grace of the
world and I am free.
>> Like Ralph Waldo.
So, as we celebrate the amazing life of
Wendelberry this week, I just want to
highlight that he did not let those the
war economy wararmongers criminals ever
affect his mood or his heart. It's a
good lesson. He lived a good life. He
didn't ever stop calling us out to the
battle angels of our nature and calling
us out for what we were allowing. but he
didn't let it um destroy his day. And so
I would say take the piece of wild
things and put it on your refrigerator
door to remember that tuning fork of
Welberry, a good one. And the fact that
you know as much truth as he was tell
and as much calling out of the stupidity
of our culture, he would say he never
got
ostracized. there was something so true
and actually so American about his voice
that they never shut it up. Um, so
there's some way that he was able to
walk that uh razor blade um and stay
above it and there and I think that's
when I call it the tuning fork when
someone is living from that and that
truth and not uh an ego that needs to be
right but one that in speaking their
truth uh gives others a light to follow.
I think he's a he's a teacher. So, thank
you all of you for what you do in the
world. And um uh Maria, I I turned Thank
you so much for holding this together
and getting everything out as we had to
flip. Oh, as we flipped because this
week we were going to have um books food
not bombs, but um we had to move it to
next two weeks from now. So, two weeks
from now we have the founder of Food Not
Bombs, which is going to be so much fun.
Um, there's another wise human being.
Uh, Keith is like wise as they come.
He's been doing this for 50 some odd
years. Um, he's inspired people across
the country. There's so many food m
bombs.
That's the message, you know, and that's
our message right now. So, Keith is
going to join us, share his wisdom of
community and food, and we look forward
to seeing you. Then uh please in between
there's lots to do to engage your
community in learning how devastating
this $ 1.5 trillion budget could be and
how we must stop it together. If you
need any stickers or any flyers or
anything to engage with um events close
to you, just reach out to Marie and
she'll make sure you get them.