GLP-1 Drugs Are Killing People — Here Is What Nobody Is Telling You | Mind Pump 2934

GLP peptides, GLP1s. Never has a medical intervention been as powerful for helping people lose weight as now. But here's the problem. They're also potentially killing people. I'm not being extreme here. Uh there are some bad things that are happening and we're looking down the road and you guys GLPs are not the panacea that you think. We're going to talk about that today. GLPs, the good, the bad, and the ugly. >> Oh my god. Did somebody die recently? >> No, but I I just circle I just thought I'd open with that to get everybody's attention. >> That was a little extreme. Got >> us all paying attention now. >> Uh so yeah, I mean like like I said like uh when it comes to uh medical interventions for obesity, there's never been anything even close uh to as powerful as as GLPs. So GLPS are you know simaglutide trespide you know brand names ompic wiggoi and then you know reatride which is still not FDA approved but it's kind of you know on the horizon uh nothing comes close I mean in the past they had you know fenfen uh and other weight loss type drugs were stimulant based um and they had some effects lots of negative side effects but they were not nearly as effective as these you know people in the studies will go on a GLP and lose you 10 15% of the body weight like consistently like across the board. Some people even more. So they're super super powerful. But uh like anything that has that much of an effect on something that so many people >> Yeah. >> seem to struggle with what that what comes along with that is potential abuse. and uh people are ignoring uh or at least they're not addressing some of the potential negative effects that can come from uh GLP use. And that's what I think we need to talk about because I don't know about you guys, but >> yeah, >> I'm starting to see more people in my friend groups, in my circles that are using GLPs that I'm like, why are you using this? That's the biggest issue I have right now is really just, you know, there's there's people taking them that I just don't feel like it's appropriate for them to take it. And I don't feel like like that message is really being promoted much. It's it seems like it's >> there's no caution. >> There's no caution. And um you know, your average person, if you talk to them about it, they think that it's just, you know, they're just going to lose some weight, some body fat, and you know, why not just add that in to my training and and diet? >> Yeah. No, 100%. And you know what? what uh there was this recent meme that I saw. It's really going viral and it was uh Hollywood actresses. There was a lot of them. There was like a whole list. It was like 10 of them on how they used to look and how they look now. And and none of them were like uh super overweight before. They were all within healthy body weight, you know, body fat percentage, but now and the speculation is on JLPs and now they look emaciated. Uh they look um like they're not doing so well. And the speculation is that they're using GLPS uh to really restrict uh their food intake. Um so this is kind of becoming a conversation now. I I do want to say I think used properly they can be very valuable tools. >> Well, it's super interesting when you think about this has been around for 20 something years. >> GLP. Yeah, they have. >> And so uh it's so wild how there's something that is that is literally that old and been been used uh for that long. how crazy popular and how much it can dominate the conversation now uh on all fitness pages and now it's reaching like and I and I've been saying this for a while now. It sounds like you're starting to notice it too in my circle of friends and family that uh we just they don't they never talked about fitness or anything like that before >> and so but yet now they're talking about GLP1s which is >> crazy because it just shows you how fast it is spreading yet it's been around for so long and it's really just been recently marketed to everybody and you know it's been a it's been a a diabetic um strategy for a very long time with clients that are, you know, and morbidly obese. Like they've used tools like this. And for that reason, I think it's an a very incredible powerful tool. And you know what's happening though right now is I it's not even uh close. Way more people who I think shouldn't use it are using it the other way around. >> Yep. >> So I I I find myself rarely ever having to suggest it to somebody because they've already heard about it or taken it. um more often than not questioning somebody like you only really need to shred down you say 10 or 15 pounds like why would you use something like this or somebody and and what I worries me the most that I that we get callers like this and that I've seen a lot of is somebody who's fallen out of shape say they've lost or they've gained 20 or 30 pounds of body fat and but they haven't been working out for the last year or two years or three years and they want to start off by taking this GLP1 because they had some friend who lost 40 lbs of fat and they and and so they think of this as like and so it's a terrible strategy especially for somebody in that case who >> cuz if you if you've built a lot of muscle prior to using it you have some you have a buffer >> uh you can afford to lose 10 or 15 pounds of muscle but most people the average American cannot afford to lose 10 to 15 pounds of muscle Most of them are under muscled >> even if they're obese. >> Right. So that's the part that makes this really kind of scary are >> very alarming. Yeah. >> Yeah. Where where do we end up? I I it really does feel like we're just trading one problem for another. >> Yeah. No, great way to put it. I think let's talk first about who they're for. We also have a sale. Buy any one of our top 10 maps programs. Get any other one of the top 10 programs for free. It's a buy one get one free happening right now. Go to mapsboggo.com. Here comes the show. All right, real quick. If you love us like we love you, why not show it by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at mypumpstore.com. I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mypumpstore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Um because for the right reasons, these are um medical miracles. this as close as you can get with uh with a pharmaceutical, right? Um is that they very effective for the right kind of people. Who are the right kind of people? Well, diabetics, that's what it was originally uh prescribed for, but also for people who struggle with severe obesity and who have for a long time. These are people who have uh you know, they've tried losing it, they've gained it back. Um it's uh they have a relationship with food that's very difficult to get around. um that has caused a lot of issues obese with their obesity and related issues like blood pressure and diabetes and so on. And so these are people have a substantial amount of weight to lose who've tried and just have struggled. Um and this can make the difference make the difference. It really can and it can help them. It can help set them up long term if done properly as well. Um so let that's those are the people that this is kind of for. Now here's who they're not for. Here's who GLPs are not for. They're not for people who are lo looking to lose, you know, 10 15 pounds. Uh they are not for people um who are trying to use these uh as a way to gain more control or to fuel or feed a dysfunctional eating pattern. And and and there's people that are doing this. There are people that I know who have struggled with eating disorders uh in the direction of anorexia who love GLPs because it allows them to restrict for longer periods of time and allows them to continue to move in that direction. >> Wow. We've had live callers. >> Yeah. >> Had live callers like this that are by no means overweight really. I mean, they literally I mean, this this is the example that I'm talking about that, you know, they they they might want to lose five or 10 pounds like and and they're wanting to use a tool like that and it's because they're they are used to undereating and now they've created this drug that helps somebody who likes to undereat like that. >> This is my speculation on the people in Hollywood that were suddenly noticing all these actresses uh went from, you know, like thin anyway to emaciated. my speculation cuz I don't know. So, I'm 100% speculating, but here's what I think. Uh, first off, being in the limelight, like being an actress puts a lot of pressure on your appearance, obviously. Okay, so eating disorders in certain fields, uh, are much higher like fashion model, >> uh, you know, being in media, uh, you know, being like a dancer where you're getting ridiculed for how you look. Um, those there's always a higher rate of of eating disorders. So, I think that these actresses are using GLPs as a way to fuel that sense of control that they get over restricting themselves. So, they were already restricting themselves, but you've got those natural hunger signals that you got to kind of battle. Now, they can eliminate it completely and like, "Oh my god, I can eat 500 calories a day." >> Yeah. >> And uh it's not an issue. That's my speculation. I think that's what's happening. I think they're taking their issue and they're adding fuel to it and saying, "Yes, I can now really restrict." Yeah. >> Uh and without having to fight these, you know, hunger pangs. >> Yeah. So, um, here's the other thing, uh, that we got to keep in mind, uh, of it's not for people who are going to get this on the gray market. And I'm going to say this straight up. The peop most of the people, if not all the people, in fact, I'm trying to think right now. >> I think all the people that I know who are not what I would consider a candidate for GLPs who are using GLPs got it on the gray market. >> Yeah. >> They did not go through uh the way that you're supposed to, which is through a doctor. They're not going through compound pharmacy that's FDA regulated. They're buying their stuff uh under the category of research chemical. >> Um in fact, when we have callers call in and they're telling us that they started using GLP and you know they want to lose 15 pounds. It's almost always what I ask them. Where'd you get it? >> And you can see them be like uh you know I got >> Oh, I mean anybody who's already talking about Red True Tide is for sure doing that. >> Yeah. Cuz it's not FDA approved. >> Yeah. But and that's actually what I hear most of people that are already on. So, you're you're already using something that has has has not even been approved by the FDA yet, and you're getting it through research chemicals, which I mean, I remember when we had Phil on the show, I forgot what he said, what percentage of those were were off, but I know their team tested and it's like >> the amount is is a lot. It's enough to be like you were literally rolling the dice on are you getting what you you say you're getting. It's called gray market because it's sold uh legally as a research chemical, but it's really a black market for human consumption. In fact, it says it on their websites and bottles, not for human consumption, so they cover themselves. Um, and you're playing a a really risky game. >> Yeah. >> First off, maybe there is a a GLP in there, but the dosing is off. I've actually read about cases where people thought they were taking the right dose, >> but the bottle was overdosed uh because there was no quality control and then of course underdosed or some random weird thing in there or contaminated uh with bacteria which can cause uh lots of uh issues. The other people this is not for are people who are already frail. So, if you're you're if you're overweight, but you're also weak and you know you're weak, like you know you have weakness, you know you have mobility issues, uh I would not take something that dramatically lowers my appetite. >> It's going to exacerbate all those. >> It's going to exac here's what the data shows. These are all the studies. They have studies on this. So, this is not just off of experience. You know, 30% of the weight you're going to lose is going to come from muscle. 30%. >> So, you know, do the math. If you lose 10 lbs, 3 lbs comes from muscle. You lose 30 lbs, 9 lbs comes from muscle. So you're you're going to lose a significant percentage of your weight is going to come from muscle. Now, I do want to be clear, GLPs don't have a muscle loss mechanism. So the GLPs are not telling your body to lose muscle. There's not a direct way that it's saying lose muscle. What happens when you dramatically reduce your food intake, which is what happens on a GLP because it really does control or take away your appetite, it is that your body, one of the ways it tries to adapt with this reduced caloric intake is by reducing its metabolic output and muscle is very metabolically active. So, it's just an adaptation uh that happens, which by the way, if you were not on a GLP-1 and you suddenly drop your calories significantly, this would happen to you as well. You just lose a bunch of muscle. So, if you're already frail and you're not going to do anything to combat that and you're going to GLP, yeah, you're going to lose weight, but you're going to get a lot weaker than you already are. >> Yeah. It's just h it's so frustrating because like even a lot of good friends that I have that are in decent shape and are getting on GLP1s, they're using it, it's literally a crash diet. They're not like putting any of these um parameters around it. the training wise, you know, making sure you're getting adequate protein and uh you know, essential nutrients uh for one. So, you know, you're you're just putting yourself down in a category that's very unhealthy and then the rebound to that is is substantial. And so, it's I just don't feel like, you know, that's being promoted enough, that's being talked about enough, that's communicated enough. Yes, it's a powerful uh new way to to approach, you know, uh extreme uh weight and obesity. However, I just for your average person that if we're if the issue is discipline, if the issue is like controlling yourself from having cravings and um you know, there's a way to work on that uh that's going to last and be more sustainable than depending on a substance. Now, obviously, uh, somebody who only tunes in to clips or occasionally to the show might seem or feel like, uh, our opinions changing or we're swinging left or right on this, but >> no, >> they're still they still are amazing for the right people. >> Yep. Yep. Uh, I mean, I' I've seen some really cool cases of people that have just struggled their whole life uh with with weight gain and have used it uh judiciously and actually strength trained and hit their protein intake and uh worked on their behaviors and it's just been life-changing. Mhm. >> So, there is absolutely um a a a percentage of the population that I think this can be amazing for. Um but it does seem like there's a lot of the wrong people that are are also using >> you're seeing what you're seeing right now. Uh there's a couple things and Justin hit the nail on the head with how people are using as a crash diet. So, they're going from eating their diet to now eating a lot less of the same diet and changing nothing else. So, by the way, I'm going to say this very clearly, okay? >> If you just dramatically cut your calories, forget GLPS. If you're listening to this, this is a fact and people hate this fact because in the past it was so hard to do that they actually thought that this that there was no truth in this. You actually have people who say uh calories don't matter, calories in versus calories out is wrong. You hear people argue that all the time and it is an oversimplification for sure. But to say it doesn't matter is complete. That's false. If you take what you're eating now, dramatically cut it, and you can somehow do that consistently, you're going to lose weight. Okay? You will lose weight. One of the things that's also going to happen is your body is going to reduce muscle mass to try to meet the new lower energy intake. And this is one of the reasons why it's so difficult for people is because they do this, they white knuckle it, metabolism slows down along with it, then they bounce back up and each cycle adds more body fat and they result in less muscle and it becomes a more difficult thing. Uh, but here's the other thing too that is getting reported. Um, you're getting young women who are should not be taking GLPS are simply using them to help them restrict who are getting uh reports from their doctors that they're now in osteopenia. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Muscle loss. You push that, you push frailty, you also lose bone mass. So, we're not just talking about like, oh, I can't move my body as well. It's like your bones start to deteriorate. And one thing we don't talk about, we hear all about the obesity epidemic. We hear that all the time. And that's a very clear, obvious one. You can look outside. If you've been along alive longer than 30 years, you could tell you see like, oh my god, people are getting bigger and bigger. So, obesity is very clear. Frailty is not as easy to see. It's not as it's not as clear. If you look at the data on frailty, it's wild. A college-aged male today has the grip strength of a 65-year-old in 1986. You can you should look this data up. It's pretty wild. We're getting weak. And so, and we don't talk about this frailty issue uh enough, but it's a real issue. And so what we're doing, you know, you mentioned this earlier, Adam, is we're potentially solving a overweight problem. Now, we're going to contribute more to a frailty issue. So, in my opinion, if we don't do this right, we're going to end up with better here, worse over here. Uh, still poor health, still lots of uh different issues. Now, there is a right way to use these. There definitely is a right way. Um, and part of that is number one, being the right person for it. So, you got to ask yourself, am I really the right person? And be honest about that. Go through a doctor. Okay, don't do this. Don't go on the internet and find research chemicals and try to figure this out yourself. Uh that's uh playing a dangerous game. So, be the right person. But number two, you know, if you just cut your calories and do nothing else, 30% of the weight or more that you lose is going to come from muscle. You need to have a strategy to prevent that from happening. You have to. >> You have to. >> You absolutely have to or you're going to put yourself in a bad position uh with e with just a slower metabolism to begin with. And also let losing muscle feels like crap >> and it reduces your your health and vitality. So you need to lift weights. >> You have to lift weights. If you don't lift weights and you're on a GLP, guaranteed you're going to lose a lot of muscle. Guaranteed because you just cut your your food intake. Number two, you got to get enough protein. And I don't mean the minimum. I mean more than the minimum. Do both those things while on a GLP and you will not you will protect muscle. In fact, I've seen people not lose a single pound of muscle through going on a GLP, starting strength training. So, they weren't doing it before, but they started strength training, hitting protein targets, and all that happened to them is they got leaner and they actually kept uh muscle on their body, which is a great And then here's the last thing. Work on the behaviors that will last beyond the GLP. Okay? So, if I were to ask somebody on a GLP, um, hey, ideally speaking, would you want to stay on this for the rest of your life or come off of it? I 100% of people are going to say, "What? I want to come off." Ideally speaking, in a perfect world, I wish I could use it, get to my goal, come off, and I'm going to do great. It's that's not going to work unless you develop the right behaviors and habits while on the GLP and then take yourself off slowly. Otherwise, the only thing that's working is the dramatically reduced appetite from the GLP. Once that comes back, you go right back to where you were before. And we're already seeing this. were seeing people come off come back on because uh they weren't working on the right things while they were on that could last beyond the JLP. >> So I'm going to add to that um and it might come off a little controversial but I stand by it that I also think that the right way is you have to have a coach >> 100%. I think you I I don't think >> you it's already difficult enough to >> learn about macros and understand the proper balance for you and the discipline and consistency around doing that to know proper training and strength that those are that is already a complex formula for the average person. Then you throw in a a drug that is designed to throw off your body's natural hunger signals. So those signals that would help you with, hey, it's time to feed. I lifted some weights. Is like you're taking something like that. Cuz what we've seen too is even people that are strength training and eating some protein, >> they have a tough time eating enough. >> They have a tough time eating enough and there's and what we're watching in young people is bone density issues. And it's not it's it's simply because it is still too extreme of a cut. And just because you lift weights does not mean you're going to prevent that muscle loss and bone loss. And so, you know, if you're going to invest in this and take something like this, then I also think that you should absolutely have a professional take you through that process to keep an eye on that to be another pair of eyes that says, "Yeah, hey, this is too low." >> Yeah. I honestly I I look at it so similarly to a therapist. I mean, this is about as close as you get to like this is behavior. So, uh, if I'm going to really get into this, I'm going to look at this as a way, an opportunity for me to kind of step outside of a behavior I don't really have that great of control over. Now, I'm going to get this, you know, temporary control over it. I need to work my way through that. A coach is going to guide you through that process. >> I'm I'm going to paint for somebody listening right now. I'm going to give you, and of course, it's different from person to person, but generally speaking, I'm going to give you the perfect way to do this, the perfect scenario that not only is going to get you the best possible results, pure fat loss without muscle loss, maybe even a little muscle gain, and I'll explain that in just a second, but also will set you up in the most likely way to be able to come off at some point and never have to really go on again. Okay? And also will save you money. I know it sounds like it's too good to be true, but let me just paint uh paint the picture for you. So, you're the right person. You're listening like, "Okay, I'm the right person on a GLP. I want to do this the right way. I want to lose body fat and I want to lose a bunch of muscle. I don't want to become more frail. I want a road map to be able to come off at some point slowly and to not to really reduce the risks of me gaining the weight back and having to go through this all over again. I want to do it once and that's it. I don't want to have to do this five times. I don't want to do the yo-yo thing that I've always done, except this time it's a yo-yo with a GLP. I want to do this right way. Here's what it would look like. This is what it would look like for you. Okay, you're like, "Okay, I got 80 pounds to lose or 60 pounds to lose. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to hire a good coach and I'm not going to get on a GLP yet." And for the first two months, all I'm going to do is try and get stronger. And what the coach is going to do is do what's called a reverse diet and also help you hit protein targets. They're also going to do good exercise programming. So, appropriate programming for your body with strength training will get you stronger consistently over the next 60 days, especially for if you're just getting started. If you're just getting started, you can expect to see very consistent, pretty dramatic strength gains over the next 60 days. Now, what this is doing is setting you up for the next phase. Now, you're with your coach and you're working with coach. You've done the 60 days of the reverse diet, 60 days of hitting protein strength training. Now, you start the GLP. Now, what the coach is going to do is going to walk you through that process. They're going to walk you through that process a so you don't have to use too much of the GLP because the coach a good coach is going to say, "Hey, that's too strong. You're eating way too little, right? >> They're going to it's going to hurt you. So, let's let's back off on the dose a little bit." But they're also going to coach you through this process of, "Wow, when I was anxious before, that's when I ate. Wow, when I was depressed before, that's when I ate." So, they're going to go they're going to help modify those behaviors, which by the way, this is the right time to do it. When that hunger signal is low uh and you're not so driven to eat uh through uh different behaviors like let's say boredom, anxiety, depression, those neural networks, those connections can start to weaken so long as you don't strengthen them like you used to. In other words, when I was depressed, I would always eat. So, I'm creating this really strong behavior with depression. I'm I'm solidifying it. But now that I'm on GOP, I don't need to eat when I'm depressed, but I'm still depressed. That's still going to happen. You're still going to get anxious. You're still going to get sad. let me replace that with other behaviors so I can create a new neural pattern. So now you're with your coach and you're going through the GLP process and the goal with the coach is they're watching you, they're coaching you and they're minimizing any muscle loss and maximizing fat loss. Then when you get to a point where you're like, "Whoa, I think this is about as far as I want to go. Like I'm doing great." Then what the coach is going to do is take you through the backoff process. The backoff process ideally typically looks like a scaling down over time of the dose. And the coach through that process is going to reverse diet you again. They're going to reverse diet you again to build up your metabolism and set you up with a metabolic rate that's higher. So when you're off the GLP, you have more room to live your life. You don't have to eat so little to maintain your weight loss. And that's what that perfect uh scenario looks like. And that's the most guaranteed way to get you those results. And here's why it saves money. Don't do it that way. And what ends up happening is you have to stay on a GLP for a long time to the tune of three to 4 hund bucks a month and it's probably going to be on and off for as long as you want to try to keep the weight off without doing those things which can last a lifetime. So that's the perfect way to do it. Um and we've se had a lot of success people uh with people doing it that way. Do it the just take the GLP and see what happens. >> You're gonna have a tough time. You're gonna have a really tough time with that. Yeah. So, >> dude, I have to uh say I don't think I've ever It's like 13 years walking in the studio. >> I've ever been so impressed with the shoe game. >> Oh. >> By everybody talking about me? >> I mean, I'm starting with you. >> Oh, okay. >> But I mean I mean you even got Doug over there rocking his golden goosees. You got you in the Stan Smith. You got Dylan over in the Stan Smith. You got Justin over there in the Panda SBS. >> I mean this names. This is like the most elevated shoe game I've ever seen in the studio. So, >> fake, but you know, >> the knockoff panda. >> Yeah, they're barefoot version. >> They are like that, right? They're the wide the wide toe box ones. That's what they modeled them after. >> They modeled them after. That's why I like them though, cuz I was like fashionable. >> Cuz they look like that for sure. >> So, I got to tell you what happened. >> Yeah. Yeah. You got him hella fast, dude. We >> He got in his head, dude. Like, no. Let's just be honest. Oh, Adam dropped a little bit of Look, how long have you known me? You guys know me for a long time. Okay. Shaming me to do something just doesn't work. I don't care. >> No, I don't think I shamed you at all. >> Well, you did make fun of me a lot. >> It was more of making fun. >> Was I I don't I don't feel like the Here's what I probably would have done and then you were like, "Oh, >> yeah. You said I had girl shoes, bro." >> I mean, I don't feel like I attacked you. I feel like you I would never said anything, but you brought it. You were like, "Hey, dude. What do you think of my shoes?" >> You're like, "Perfect." No, I didn't go like that. I went honest. >> Yeah, those are girls. Let me give you the >> Let me give you the honest. >> No, let me tell you what happened. What worked. You said something that actually uh convinced me. >> You want to know what it was? >> What? >> You said something that it hit me. I was like, he's right. >> When you need uh any kind of health advice or supplement advice, you turn to me >> and I give you advice and you take it. You're like, "Dude, I take your advice. You never take mine." >> And I sat there and I'm like, "What a jerk." He's like, "Not you, but me. He's right. I've never asked you what kind of shoes I should wear. >> I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I'm glad that resonated. >> So, I went home and I ordered the one shoe you mentioned. >> But it's so it is so true because think about that like uh obviously I know a little bit about supplements and nutrition and exercise science, right? Uh at least enough to sit on this show for a little bit. Um but I I respect that you're better at it. >> You know what I'm saying? So I I could sit and try and figure out myself or this or I can like that's the beauty I think of you know we talk all about this stuff with uh having community and friends. That's part of it >> is being vulnerable enough to go hey >> my boy is smarter than I am in this. >> I can act like I know more. I can but it's like why when I have like one of my best friends who I can like shoot a text over and be like yo tell me this. Right. >> Speed dial. >> Yeah. >> So like Yeah. So that's >> I was like all right. Which one did he mention? I had to remember >> up your fashion game homie. Yeah. I I saw Dylan came in. You see Dylan's Dylan's got them on right now. >> He's wearing the same pair as you got on. Yeah. >> They're pretty comfortable, too. >> And they're Hey, what? They're not expensive, right? >> No. >> Yes. You don't always have to go crazy over that. By the way, the most expensive shoes in this room right now are not mine, >> Doug. No. >> Yes, they are. >> Really, Doug? >> Yes. How expensive are they? >> Doug's shoes are definitely >> They were a gift to me. >> Oh, god. Look at this guy's defer. >> They run, you know, $500. Yes. >> $500 >> for those sneakers right there. >> Why? >> Yes, dude. >> What are they? >> Golden Goose. >> But what is that? >> It's a Italian brand. >> Yeah. >> Oh, they look like I thought they were Converse. >> I know. The star throws people off. >> Oh my gosh. $500. >> They were Christmas gift. >> Do they walk for you? Like what's >> They do actually. >> You know, it's so I I had to call him out. He always like I always I always get all the [ __ ] over here. Like I take all the materialistic Adam [ __ ] all the time on me like that. that I have to be and like quietly my boy over here is has likes all that stuff and always keeps his mouth shut when I'm getting railed over here. I'm just like so I'm I'm going to put him on blast today like that and he's wearing the most expensive shoes in the world. >> No, that's great. No, so I'm going to I'm going to be asking more questions, dude, about stuff like that. >> They look good. Did you get compliments yet? >> No, just now. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they look like they just got broke out of the box. >> They did. I wore them yesterday for the first time. >> Yeah. Yeah. And they're comfortable, right? And I what I love about it, why I think it's such a great style is you can dress them up and dress them down. Like obviously you're in comfortable sweats right now, but you've may never noticed cuz you probably don't care pay attention to these things, but I wear those with my suit all the time. >> Oh, yeah. I do think I receive. >> Yeah, I'll wear I'll wear those with a suit. That looks great with a black suit right there. >> All right. Yeah. Thank you. All right. I'm going to read you guys. I looked up some information on acetalahhide. So acetalahhide uh is this compound that your body produces when it metabolizes alcohol. >> And um acetalahhide is why you tend to feel like crap when you drink alcohol. So it's and your body does a good job of getting rid of acetalahhide by the way. So uh when you drink alcohol some people do a better job than others. This is why some people can have more than others and feel okay. >> And this is just alcohol. This isn't like any other fermented >> anything fermented. Well, this is well fermented that has alcohol in it like fermented fruit or something. Yeah. >> So, this is also why we get reports from our audience that uses zibotics. Why it's life-changing for some people others is I'm assum I've always assumed based off >> it's got to be worse for some people, >> right? Like some people just metabolize it better or worse than others. I've always assumed that you and I are probably people that don't metabolize it very well because I'm ultra sensitive to a drink or two will make me feel terrible. I mean, I enjoy a nice little buzz or a glass of wine or someone to do that because I always >> felt terrible. >> Same. So, here's what it does. This is what acid acetalahhide does. It can impair protein function, damage cellular structures, trigger immune responses, Jesus, >> cause DNA mutations. The accumulation of it uh causes nausea, nausea, headache, flushing, teacardia, sweating. That sounds like a hangover. That's That's how I would feel. >> Yeah. Not Not a good time. >> Yep. It's a carcinogen. Causes tissue toxicity. So, the reason why ziotics works so well, which by the way, somebody stopped me the other day and said, "I didn't believe you when you talked about on the show and we tried it and it worked so well. We thought it can't possibly be this." We did it again. Like, man, this stuff >> what it does uh is it's a it's a probiotic that's been um it's been genetically modified. So it actually went in and changed the bacteria in ziotic. So when you drink it, what this bacteria does is it breaks down acetalahhide. So it actually helps your body clear of acetalahhide. Now other, you know, drink supplements or whatever, take this when you drink or before. What they're trying to do is like reduce inflammation, you know, they're trying to maybe hydrate you. Not bad, >> but none of them target acetalahhide effectively. >> I don't know. Like I we all have a a friend in the space that's an influencer and she gave me her like product she promotes and I was like >> oh I know what you're talking about. >> I was out of Ziotic and so I like use it and it was not even close like it just didn't have that like like effect the next day where you're just you wake up and it's like I didn't even feel like other than being tired. Yeah. >> Like you wouldn't even know the difference. >> I know. >> Oh yeah. I've I've tried all the because I know that I'm so I've tried all the hangover pill and like all the other stuff that's out there. >> It's just like Advil at the end of the day. >> And even though it has some some positive properties that are helpful, there it's nowhere near the same thing. >> But yeah, it's it's a it's a pre-alcohol drink is what Ziotics is marketing. >> They say that so they they tell you that's the protocol is to drink it before you drink. Although I will admit that there's been times where I forgot and then I'm like two drinks in, I haven't I still feel the effects. >> It'll help with the accumulation afterwards. >> Yeah. So, like I I know that they that's the the protocol and ideal is you take it first before you have a drink and I but there's been times where it's like I didn't think I was going to really and then or I just grab and like then I get to it like two drinks later >> and it still makes a huge difference. >> All right, I'm going to change subject. I got to tell you guys a story, dude. That's just just Bro, it was it was simultaneously shocking, creepy. Uh maybe a little flattering. Maybe I'm not going to I'm not going to lie. >> What? >> But but also creepy. >> It's a crazy mix. also creepy. So >> creepy and flattering, >> bro. Listen to this story. I can't believe people do this or do I don't know. Anyway, we go to the pool. So me, Jessica, and the kids are at the pool and we're hanging out. >> This at the gym one, right? >> Yeah. And I'm not going to say too much. I've already I don't want to mention she's like, "You tell people the gym we go to." I'm not going to say anymore, but we went and we're at the pool. We're all hanging out and uh we went in the hot tub. So Jessica and I are in the hot tub and then I leave to go play with the kids or whatever. And there's other people in the hot tub. So, there's this woman in there and she looks at my wife. She goes, "Hey, this is going to like this is crazy. I know it sounds wild, but I got to tell you this." So, Jessica's like, "Okay, what's going on?" So, me and my husband play this game where we look at people around us. >> Oh, boy. >> And we pick out who we would sleep with. So, now Jessica's like, "Get me out of here." Like, she's like, "What is going on here?" >> And she says, >> "I know where this is going." >> First of all, that's the opening conversation. I don't know where people get the the the the gull. Anyway, so they say that to she says that to Jessica. She goes, "And you know, I I saw your husband and my husband saw him." And then she prefaces, "My husband's straight, by the way. He's straight." So already I'm like, "Uh oh." And he said, "And he and he and she goes, I I said, "Is that the guy that you were telling me about?" And my husband goes, "Yeah." And she goes, "So yeah, it's your husband." And you know, he's a really handsome guy. And Jessica's like, "Yeah, thanks. He's a really handsome guy." Then I get in I get in the jacuzzi. She gives me the look and I'm like, "Uh, let's get out of here." Yeah, dude. So we get out. And by the way, to make it worse, the woman had her kids in the jacuzzi with her at the same time. >> Oh my god. >> Old enough to understand and hear the conversation. >> Oh my god. Really? >> Yeah, dude. >> Oh, that's really weird. >> Yeah, bro. >> Yeah. Yeah. What is happening? What is wrong with people? >> That's already weird. Even more weird to disclose that right in front of your kids, >> dude. My husband picked you out and was like, he'd be good with you. >> You know what's crazy about that? It must have worked at some point for her to do it again. >> Well, you know what it is? It's a uh it's an odd It's a It's a playing the odds thing. You say it to 10 people like you guys and two people will say yes. >> That's just it. It's just it's a numbers game, right? I mean, what is the statistics on on couples that >> Well, it's always a wife, too, cuz that's like the introduction. >> A dude can't do that. Oh, absolutely not. >> If it was a guy talking about wife like that, that would have been a fight. >> That's happened to us before, too. But yeah, it was always the wife that would >> always. Is there ever a time when it's not? Uh, that would be that's not a good that's not a winning strategy. So, if you're a swinger and you send the husband in, you're terrible strategy. Yeah. Yeah. That that they that can't possibly >> I'm privy to the whole pineapple thing, too. So, don't try. >> What is that? >> I don't know. They >> Dude, they It's just like a signal. It's like, "Hey, I'm a swinger. Here's >> Don't you guys remember when I so mad I didn't do it to you guys?" I went, In fact, I think I had uh I don't know who was working for us that time. Uh that I had got all the lofah. Lofas on your car and your door all mean different different colored lofah stand for different things. Like are you just swinging or do you cross uh uh husband and husband? >> Lofah was a thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Look up look up uh um look up lofah lofah codes in swingers. >> Yeah. >> I I told you guys and I was going to prank you guys by putting them on your cars. And so uh he's trying to >> There you go. Right there. Right there. Read all the colors. Read what all the colors mean. >> Let's see what Let me pull it. >> I've never seen a lof. Okay. Yeah. I just trying to make it bigger so I can read it. >> You Hey, actually, now that I'm telling you this, okay, listen, now that I'm telling you this, you will see it. I never seen it before until I And then actually, cuz you know why it just it doesn't you wouldn't think to look for a car. >> So funny when I was searching here, you know what ad popped up? >> What? >> Michael Kors. >> Stop. >> Stop. Still trying to get you. >> Stop. That's >> all right. All right. Here, here are the here are the lofas. All right. White is for noviceses and beginners. Purple voyer and people who like to watch. >> Pink soft swap. People who like to do it with others in the room. >> Yellow mild level midlevel swap for those who want to have fun but are still nervous. Black full swap, those who say, "What the hell? Let it go down." And then teal is for the bisexuals. So there you go. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Isn't that crazy, >> bro? If I see that on a car now. >> Oh, you will. Cuz I I didn't know about it. I don't even remember who told me about it or how I first heard about it. >> And then I'm like, "What?" I looked it up, confirmed it just like Doug did. And then I swear it wasn't even that much longer after that. I caught like a lofah on like a car and I was like, >> "So you were going to prank us by putting it on?" >> Yeah. So I was going to put it on. >> What color were you going to use? >> Teal. >> Yeah. We stayed at an Airbnb. Put you guys down. pineapple decorations everywhere and I was just like, why are they so obsessed with pineapples? >> Upside down ones apparently. >> Yeah, upside down ones. Yeah, it just was everywhere and I'm like, oh. >> That's also the code for swinger, right? Is that what it is? Pineapple. >> Yeah, upside down pineapple, right? Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that weird? >> Pineapple. What's the history of? >> Yeah. See, look at the car. So, show that car cuz this is how you'll see it when you see on the cars. >> Oh, yeah. You had it. We'll >> go back. Okay. You had it on the Oh, I see right here. >> Yeah. You'll see like someone will tie it up on the thing like that or it'll be around the antenna or something like that. You'll see it just like that. >> Dude, >> isn't that crazy? >> We got to come up with a code for like powerlifter, crossfitter, strength trainer. >> We can't use coupons are taken. >> Dude, remember that you guys remember that house that we rented uh years ago? We were I remember we were creating a program in LA. >> It was like 9 years. It was in LA, wasn't it? >> San Frernando Valley. >> It was in San Frernando Valley. >> Oh, yeah. >> And I think we're trying to save money. >> Still had like traces of weed and stuff on the counter >> and we left. Remember we left. >> Yeah, dude. They were filming something obviously there >> and we took off. They >> had big cables that were in the walls and everything. >> Super creepy. >> Yeah. >> A lot of locked doors there. We were like, "What's behind here?" >> Yeah. No, I mean I do. >> I am out of here. Did you see Adam? I wonder if you saw Did you see the new income brackets? The federal >> I did. >> Did you go Did you go through them? >> Yeah, I did. I did. >> So, >> it's wild. >> So, these are the new >> It's like wild. What? It's like I mean to be considered like uh just >> upper class now is like the 200s and and it gets wild. >> So so this is income. So you can have wealth and income. So there's two categories. Wealth includes like if you own property. This is income. Okay. So this a federal income brackets. And again this is different from place to place. Obviously we live in Silicon Valley. It's going to be like quadruple all of this. But here's what it is. Poverty. poverty is making uh less than $15,900 a year. This is for family of four. So, family of four poverty near poverty is between uh 16,000 and 31,000. Lower income is above that to 55,000. Lower middle class is above that to 83,000. Middle class is above that to 125,000. Upper middle class is above that to 167. And upper income is above $168,000 a year for a family of four. >> Oh, this 2250. I thought it was that was >> so this is these are the new income brackets for um which you know what's wild about this middle class now for family of four in the whole US is around six figures which that changed quite a bit. >> They used to be upper class six figures was like I remember that was growing up that was like oh my gosh that was the goal. Oh yeah. Could you make six figures? >> Yeah. Now, where we live in the Bay Area, it's got to be way different. >> Oh, yeah. Like you said, so I've also seen a stat on that like the the uh just to own a home in the Bay Area, they they just to own a home in the Bay Area, they say that you need to have a combined uh income of 250 or 260 >> in the Bay Area. That still seems low. >> Well, that's just to afford a home. That is like any home, a town home, like anything. Yeah. That's like to be able to afford a home that's in the Bay Area. I I saw Oh, did you just pull it up? >> Yeah. So >> 296. Wow. >> Bay Area lower middle class is around 100,000 >> for a household. >> For a household. >> Yeah. Yeah. So if you're you're supporting a family of four, >> middle class is 98 to 296 >> with cities like San Jose and San Francisco recording median household incomes around 140 to 148. So that's the median, which is crazy. What's the top 1% >> right there? Top 5% of earners, top 5% of earners is 500k. annually. Top 1% earners, is that still Bay Area or just total? >> Uh, this is Bay Area. >> Bay Area. Top 1% earners are generally 800 to a million plus annually. >> Yeah. >> And then true wealth in the Bay Area, heavily tied to real estate net worth. The top 3% of Californians have net worth exceeding 8.7 million. >> A lot of people in the Bay Area, if you don't live here, it sounds wild, but a lot of people in the Bay Area have a net worth in the millions, but it's not because they're wealthy. It's because they bought a home >> 10 or more years ago, >> 30 years ago. Yeah, >> like my parents my parents bought their home a long time ago and let me tell you, my parents are not wealthy, okay, at all. >> Uh, not even close. Uh, but their home is worth $2 million. So that's now >> Well, that's this is the this is the greatest uh or not the greatest, but this is one of the greatest challenges that um the uh young people growing coming up right now have in in an area like this is that it's it's gone so far. I mean, listen, your your starter home now in the Bay Area is a million dollars. >> Uh 25% down on that is a4 million. The amount of money you have to make >> to save that >> to pay off your student loans, to pay for your rent, to pay for your car, to also save enough to do a quarter mill is insane. I mean that that you're talking about years and years and years and years of consistently living well below your means to in order to do that or finding a way to make more income or partnering up or marrying somebody who has an equal size of an income or more. >> Moved to Fresno, Bakersfield, you know, Bay Area might not be for you. I don't understand. Oh, that's what my but my my so my my best friend uh him and I when I got my place when I was 21, we lived together for five five years all the way through when he finishes his schooling, got a good good job making six figures in the Bay Area um as a PTA and then uh he when he was settling down with his girl who's who's married to now and been have two kids, he and she is a nurse in the Bay Area, so making good money, but both of them were like, "If we want to build a family and stuff like that with these like it's going to take us forever >> Yeah. >> to grow here." And so, and they both had a profession that you could go to the Central Valley >> and make relatively similar income. He they took a little bit of a pay cut, but not as much to what the housing was. They were able to go buy a really nice, you know, 3600 square foot, >> four, five bedroom, >> 2.5 million. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Over there for >> There's There's pockets of California. Yeah. like that in the central valley, but it's again it's less desirable. So, I get it. But I I too I know some people that actually like commute from Los Banos to get into, you know, work here in the Bay Area and then they like commute like hours every day home. But, um, you know, that's one way they can at least like start building something. >> My buddy's a uh he's a doctor and we were talking about this. She's like, "Man, if my daughter goes to school and goes to medical school and does residency and graduates, she'll be making uh, you know, a couple hundred grand a year after all that schooling, after uh medical school, after residency with a huge amount of debt." He's like, "She won't be able to live here." >> Yeah. >> Well, my my nephew right now who I spent the last weekend with, um, he's he's going to medical school. He wants to be a doctor. Um, and he wants to be the uh the radiologist. Uh, the the one who's oversees the technicians. I don't know the the >> I think it's a radiologist. >> He's got to go through medical school, everything just like like a normal doctor, but you know, you're talking like >> eight years of schooling. And yes, they come out the gates. I I think they start starting wages like 300k or something like that a year, which sounds >> Yeah. >> like so much when you're a kid who's who's gone from nothing to that is is a lot and it is a lot of money. But if you've got, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollar in school >> in debt >> in school debt. Um, and then you also have to rent in the Bay Area to start off, right? And you're not finding a a a modest condo or studio in the Bay Area, you're spending 2500 a month, >> plus a car. >> You even have people in tech. You got people in tech, and tech is very can be very high paying, but you got people in tech who are like four or five people in one house >> and they're all making money. I know. Now, here's what's interesting and you and I have text conversations back and forth a little bit when we talk about economics and future and all stuff like that and real estate stuff like and >> um I I have a theory because a lot of people are like predicting this crash that's coming and I think we're already we're already in a mild recession. We've been in one for the last two or two three years now uh of like a pullback on real estate and stuff like that. So, I already think we we've been in this. I don't think we're going to see a crash. I think we're in amidst changing times. I think that the future is not everybody owns a home. It's becomes it's a luxury and there here's some of the signals beside that like it we just assume that that everybody gets to do that. Like we've just that's part of >> it was part of the American dream, >> right? And and we we since the '7s we've been moving away from that and we've dramatically and what what >> policies have taken that dream >> and then also look at look at the behaviors of the younger generation with uh owning stuff >> Uber >> everything's rented >> rent like do I was telling Sal this I don't know if you guys know this you guys know that there's companies that rent purses I I was hanging out with someone >> and luxury watches >> and she she and it's it's totally understandable. >> Of course they do. Yeah. Think about think about how smart this is. I think she pay I want to say it's like $ 250 a month. 250 bucks a month or something like that is her monthly fee or whatever. >> But she gets up to a5 or $7,000 purse budget every single week. I think they'll send her a different one. She she I want and so and then and as as a a female who likes those purses, how often do you wear one when you go out to a dinner or a party or things? So it's probably only once a week maybe you want a different purse. This is like some monthly subscription and then >> it's and then she can trade out rotates out and so she's always got a new fashionable >> if they lose it then they end up the full amount. >> It's insured. I'm sure you have Yeah, I'm sure there's an insurance policy in it and stuff like that and you probably have a smart >> It's a It's a changing economy. Part of the reason for that >> they do it for uh Rolex watches for 250 a night. You can rent a you know a $20,000 Rolex watch that you can wear like >> so so here so what happened was it was part of the American dream. part of the American dream was you buy a house, you pay it off. Uh and and what happened was so many people tied up their wealth and retirement in that uh that it continued to drive the prices up. And the policy was to never allow housing prices to drop because as a politician now that you have so many people whose wealth and stability is in their homes >> that if we allow that to correct, >> it's going to be really bad. So what they keep doing is promoting more policies and ways to continue to pump, you know, pump up the housing market, >> drives out opportunity. >> The result of which is exactly, Adam, what you're saying is that the future is not owning. >> The future is you rent everything. Yeah. >> You don't own anything. >> And I think that was in the World Economic Forum. I think they said >> eerily similar message. >> Uh um and we're we're we're just moving in that direction. And we always want to pull back to like these things that has happened in the past. And so, oh, this is going to happen because that happened before. And it's such a fallacy. That's not how it works. Um, in fact, the things that, uh, impact our economy are things that we never predict. COVID, >> when you think about the the the the ramifications of CO economically, uh, legislation wise, like, and like no, no e economist could have predicted that yet. That had the largest impact on a huge ranch and everything. So this idea of like oh this is you know the the the you know typical trend in the stock market and the housing market is this and therefore it's going to do this. It's like that's such a fallacy to believe that. It's like cuz there's other factors that always play a role. And one of the biggest factors I think right now in what does the housing and the the economy look like in the future is that we're moving away from this caring to own stuff like that. We're borrowing and renting and Ubering and Airbnbing. We don't like it's just moving in that direction. Now that I me saying that doesn't mean there's not value in being somebody who owns those things. >> I think if you I think if you can accumulate enough wealth and savings and invest in those things, I think that you positions you very well. >> But I absolutely think that a vast majority of people in the future will not care to own any of that stuff. >> I think so. And uh along those lines, there was a a large general social survey as reported in the social leap in 2018 and they were looking at uh what things impact people's happiness the most. Here's one of the shocking um findings. Well, it's not shocking for I think for us, but I think for a lot of people they were shocked. Poor Americans, so people who qualify as poor in the income bracket, who attend church regularly are happier than wealthy Americans who never go. >> So 36% of poor Americans who go to church regularly are hap very happy. Not just happy, but very happy. 26% of of wealthy Americans who never go are very happy. So good kind of a good way to kind of uh you know segue into the conversation because we're talking about money >> and I know if you really boil down like why do you want money? Why do you want more money? >> Would you get it down to like the the fundamental thing people say well besides the basics it's like needs but then what >> yeah it makes me happy and it's like the data shows it's not a great way to be happy especially in comparison to other things like community and church. >> It's a it's a tool for trading time. >> Yeah. That's all it really is. It's a tool for trading time. >> It you give up time you to go work and earn it, then turn around and spend it on things that either take up your time or give you time back. >> That's all it is. >> Or give you autonomy. >> And when you when you when you you constantly are working to buy materialistic things that don't buy back time, >> it's like that's an that's an endless chase. Mhm. >> And so and and you'll eventually figure out that like oh wow that's not as and you'll it's not as valuable as I thought or you'll get trapped in the rat race of more more more. >> Totally >> right. It's just like oh I it's not it's because that car is not big enough or more expensive so I needed this or that house isn't so that that thing and so you just keep going in that direction. But I mean the most valuable thing that you can do is to to buy back your time and to place it in the things that do add true >> value. Along those lines, there's a research uh a p uh a some research that was just published on the and it was a massive demographic model analyzing 236 countries since 1950. And they're talking about global fertility or how little kids people are having. Um and so here's what they found. A 60,000year first. So this has had happened in modern human history, not during world wars, not during global pandemics, not ever. that global fertility has fallen below the replacement rate. >> Uh widespread collapse. Out of 236 countries, 219 are actively in negative fertility trends. Does it matter if the country is rich, poor, whatever? The birth rates are crashing everywhere. Uh the only reason global population is growing right now is called population momentum. That older generations are still alive. Uh in roughly 30 years, the global population will peak and then plunge. And here's the crazy part. policies are doing nothing. So far, no government intervention. Tax credits, extended leave, whatever, has successfully reversed this trend. So, this is an aging world. >> So, people are living longer, but we're not having new Yeah. babies. >> The only possible solution to because this is a calamity. Like, if this goes this goes continues this way, which it's going to, >> you said 30 years. >> 30 years we're going to see a huge >> I So, okay. And then you you have to ask yourself where do you sit on the the biohacking longevity side? Because part of why we haven't seen this big fall off is to the exact point you made that we're living longer. Do you believe with science and technology that we're going to prolong that even more? >> I do. I do. But the the but what about the fact that we're going to have more old people than than young people? More people who aren't working >> Yeah. than there are people who are working which is a economic disaster. The only positive solution I can see are and it's going to sound funny but >> yeah hold on hold on hold on hold on though to challenge to push back and challenge that too. >> Uh how how many decades now are we in a row of people extending the age that they're working the age of the average person work retirement age has increased over the last few decades and it's continually increased. So, >> can you average age of retirement uh today versus 30 years ago? I'd like to see what that is. >> Yeah. And so, it sounds so crazy, but if we're living to 100, 110, 120, it's not so weird that we work till 70 or 80 now. >> And I mean, all of us have said that like I could totally do this till 70 or 80. Like, I wouldn't be mad at that. And so, maybe that's >> with maybe that's also going to shift and change. It's not we're not going to remain the same retirement age while also >> So, it's only gone up about three years. So 65 today versus 20 30 years ago 62. So it is kind of going up. But here's the problem. Like uh you're gonna have a lot of people retiring with wealth. They did a good job. So they're just going to work. We need people to to work. We need people to innovate to make things to support and build society. But that's why I said robots. I was going to say or then you also have that factor >> because if you if you dramatically increase the productivity of one worker by you know hundfold because of AI and robots then that could definitely solve >> then you know order 66 you know what are we going to do about that? >> Wait wait wait what's that again? >> So we get promoted this idea that like robots are going to do all these things in your house. They're going to take over this that >> but you know maybe backgineered in there is a switch. I I still have a hard time. I know I know that we're we have this ongoing debate about the robot and dishes and stuff like that. >> And and maybe this is just my my monkey brain. I can't see it or whatever. Like, but I just have a hard time picturing this robot walking around my house all day like >> like doing [ __ ] like and doing it efficiently enough to where I don't have to do it. Like um you know, I already I already get frustrated with my wife the way she loads the dishwasher. like what how my I'm I'm assuming my AI is going to do it or my my robot AI. >> You've been to some of those tech conferences, right? Like uh I've been to and so you see videos and it's all like that's the thing I'm kind of in in your camp because it's a lot of it is so overhyped cuz like when I see them actually move in person, >> it is weak. It is very still just very like not smooth and and >> Well, you guys don't think they're going to solve that though. I mean, of course, it'll get better. >> Yeah. But how long will that Okay, uh again, and I know you're not a big cooker in the kitchen. I know you are, so you will probably appreciate this a little bit more, Doug, but like when I'm in the kitchen and I'm preparing dinner, I'm literally doing so many things. I'm like cleaning over here, I'm grilling over there, I'm like, and so I just can't imagine this thing being in there and doing all those things so efficiently, seamlessly at the same time. And again, maybe it's my monkey brain just can't fathom. I could see it breaking up all four of those jobs that I'm doing at once and it taking eight hours in my kitchen that I'm going to have this thing. >> Can you look up uh so Roombas having like chips in them and like cameras that spy on us? >> Yeah, dude. >> Because if that happens in a freaking Roomba, this is why I bring that up. Like you're going to have a fully mobile >> bro. You know that's what's going on, right? robot. That's >> the one. They're already in homes and they're being controled by or being controlled by people in the Philippines. Somebody is literally I know already walking around. >> They're doing the movements for them like in >> Yeah, it's silly to me. >> It's uh there are no spy chips >> according to this anyway. >> [ __ ] Yeah. >> Well, I mean you Google the spy chips and what they have proven Justin and I have seen it is that >> they they you and this is what they how they you know quote unquote just is is there they track they track the the housing square footage and all the area surface area and so it's definitely picking up data. It's not like >> it's not down but I mean look the way these things move. >> Yeah. But I think they'll figure it out, dude. I think they'll figure it out. They're going to keep getting better. But they better get better, you guys. With population collapse, we need them. We're going to need robots. People need to have more kids. Nobody's doing it. >> Yeah. >> So, we're going to need robot >> characters. That So, to me, that's the the optimistic. That's why when you say like a 30-year horizon on this, like I don't I don't like crazy to think >> how different with Moore's law, 30 years is going to be like none of us in here, we can't even fathom. Like, we can't. So like to to worry about things like population collapse and I know that those become talking points and stuff that it's just like oh you know what how many things we're going to innovate change and be different. >> You know what this reminds me of that's really wild is one of the greatest lies that people were sold. There was a book in 197 called population bomb. Maybe you could find it Doug for me. And it was this scientist who made the case that we're going to run out of food. We're going to run out of oil. >> We're done. And his prediction was like I don't remember what year it was. It was 1968 was a book. And I guess I think by 1990 we were supposed to be like starving, right? But what he doesn't calculate for what he never calculated for was that uh that we get better at producing things and we get better at uh at getting resources. We have more oil available to us now because of technology than we did in 1970. Even though we're using way more of it, we have more available today. >> That's isn't that wild? We make more food and produce more food and feed more people today by far than we did back in 1968. >> So it was such a lie. And a lot of people still believe this lie like we can't have more people. >> We keep having more people that's not good for the you know the earth as if the earth is this like this being or whatever. But that's not true. Actually more people >> is better. It's better. you got more innovation >> and and we're and efficiency on how we're like we went through this period of time too where and I know there's the the the climate change people that are screaming on the other side like what we're doing damage-wise today versus what we were in the 70s and 80s like we're continuing to improve on the the carbon footprint side and we're doing things like that that are in the positive direction >> environmentally concerned I would say now uh you as a result which is a positive thing but it's like yeah look at that if we actually look at the actual data like it's >> well not to get too controversial but uh who was I talking to somebody I was talking to somebody it was like one of my younger cousins uh it might have been my niece actually and we're talking about like the earth and how the earth would be so much better if there were no humans on earth and I said who would enjoy the earth and she's like uh well you know but the earth would be better I said you know you have to number one as humans we have to put ourselves at the top which we are that doesn't mean we're not good stewards of our resources and we don't treat animals well and all that stuff. That doesn't mean that. But uh who cares if we all disappear and the earth is flourishing if there's no people? >> There's no people. >> It's such a weird way to look at it, >> which is wild. It's >> like that. They're like antihuman. They look as a virus. >> As a virus. It's a very twisted twisted >> mentality that is very nihilistic. Like you look at other people like, "Oh, you're bad." >> It's like I mean a lot. Okay. So, and I've I've been watching this new uh series. It's just like um um uh what's the Tiger King? But it's with lizards and it's with reptiles and it's wild, right? And and you know, and and a lot of these people are really wild people, like you know, very like criminals and you know, there's some some decorated colorful pasts. Uh, but a lot of it like they're more comfortable with animals and their whole thing is because they've been hurt, they've been damaged, they've had trauma, like and it's all like, you know, some childhood thing. But it's like, oh, but animals would never do that to me and like they're always friendly and Yeah. Yeah. until they like rip your face off. But, you know, right now like that's what they're that's their um framing and that's their perspective. >> Is that a common thing that um people that had like childhood trauma so that are drawn to animals? Is that like a Is that a common thing? >> I think so. >> In certain cases, yeah, I think so. Have you Have you >> I've seen Ive >> Have you guys ever heard this? This is >> I think Yeah. >> If you really break this down, it's really dark and twisted. >> Uh I know people I know a lot of people. In fact, I'm going to say this and people are going to resonate. It's going to resonate with a lot of people. >> They can handle a person getting killed in a movie, no problem. But if a dog Yeah. >> or an animal dies, oh my god, I can't watch that movie. >> Isn't that crazy where we >> That's why that John Wick thing resonated so much with people. >> They killed his dog. killed and then you just went like cray killed like thousands of people just murdering they're like cheering them you know wait a minute >> interesting yes people with childhood trauma are often drawn to animals this connection provides a deep sense of emotional safety and trust that human relationship might lack interesting that it makes sense I have examples >> I wonder if type of animal he owns are is there a way to predict trauma by >> that's why dogs are known as uh uh um what you call it security dog or what they They are, but but I think >> I'm sure their loyalty, their demeanor, all the anthropomorphizing of like like lizards are like cold and dark. >> So that's so I say soulless in my opinion. >> Everybody likes dogs. Everybody so many dogs are owned. But is there a particular type of animal that if they own these animals you there's an odds that they've had some bad trauma are much higher? Like is it spiders? Is it like lizards? Is it snakes? I'm guessing. I have no idea. >> Yeah, that'd be interesting. >> But I don't know if there's any >> Well, look at look at what he got. Would you how'd you Would you How' you Google it? >> Uh, yeah. Can you predict trauma by the type of animal someone has? >> How about this? Look, look, he got it. Dogs or people that are seeking social connection trauma. Yeah. But look at cats. Introversion and sensitivity. Trauma and stress. Birds, reptiles, and exotics unconventionally. Trauma and stress mechanism to manage daily. Okay. That's all. >> Yeah. So I so I'm going to guess I don't know if this data exists but I think when people own a lot of like reptiles and spiders and stuff I would imagine there's probably a higher >> push people away. >> I am totally guessing. I am totally I got no problem people own those things but just a guess. Just a total guess. >> What's the guess? >> The guess is that if you own like like tarantulas and and snakes you might have a higher chance of uh you had gone through some serious trauma. >> Oh I don't think I I don't believe that. I think it no different than an animal. I I think it's less like that. I think that stuff is probably connected to some probably a positive experience, right? Somebody who was comfortable playing with bugs when they were little or they had a parent that was into it and so they are I would think that's more related. >> I mean that's their parents would never let them have it and then they always longed for it which I don't know. You see >> maybe I'm saying this cuz I can't I never own one of those. Never have a mind seems so weird to me. >> I don't mind lizards. I like them but it's like not you know having them as a pet. It's just like what? I've known I've known people who that like those things that I know that aren't like that. But uh the the one that is interesting to me is that that that there is just a connection there that >> people that have had childhood trauma tend to also I think that's more interesting that if you've had childhood trauma, you also probably are probably more likely to >> and dogs are special. Let's be honest. Dogs are they're special animals. They really best animal. You know, you said uh lizard. Speaking of lizard skin, Justin's skin doesn't look like lizard skin. Wow, look at that. >> Hey, I'm not shedding. >> I got to ask you guys, what's your favorite? We all use Caldera Lab. What's your favorite skinincare uh one? Cuz they have >> they have the good. What's the other one called? >> The good, the great, the base layer. They have the hydro layer. >> You guys have favorite soap? >> The good the serum. >> The serums. >> Yeah. Because I I have my psoriasis and it's dry. Mhm. >> So, precalera, one of the natural things I used to do like is like coconut oil or some sort of an oil on it. >> And so, that natural serum on my dry skin just it it is so good. So, I was actually impressed that you guys didn't like totally blast me for having like crazy sunburn because over when I went to Laguna Secika and I came back and podcast, I was like still like that was like fresh like a day and I put the serum on and everything like over the weekend just as like a precautionary thing overnight. It had to have made a difference. It was bad. I was like super red, dude. I was like a tomato. >> No, your skin looks good. It does. So, I like this. I like the good and then I like uh the gray. Both of my favorites. My wife likes the hydro layer the best. >> Yeah. I mean, I like them all. I use them. I use them all, but the the good is what I use the most of. >> That's That's the best. >> Yeah. I think it's easy, too. 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In fact, it gives you 1.9 CEUs with or for your NASM certification. Find out more at mindpunfitnesscoaching.com. >> Our first caller is Kennedy from Missouri. >> What's up, Kennedy? >> How you doing, Kenny? >> What's happening? >> Ethan, how are you all doing? >> Good, man. >> Good, dude. How you doing, bro? >> Good. It's good to see y'all again. Um, it's been good. So, I've been running maps since the last time the performance since the last time we talked. Um, I bumped my calories to 206 to 2,800 a day rather than 1,600 that I was doing. Um, I've really been focusing on like progressive overload while I've been there and trying to increase weights every time I'm in doing a functional day. Um, then the mobility has been a huge huge benefit for me. I've always been somebody that's not flexible whatsoever. So, just like having something that forces me to go in there and stretch and like loosen up is a huge benefit. And I've seen drastic changes just in how I feel, I would say. >> Awesome. um how easy it is to move around or even do like squats are 10 times easier now that I can move better obviously. Um >> and then my leg situation, it's probably the best it's been since it happened. >> Good news, dude. >> Um I think there's a mental barrier that got broke of I can't do something when it's just like push yourself past it. Um cuz which just started I just started phase three so it was like box jumps and the ice skaters and stuff. Um and those are things that I would have never probably pushed myself to do if it wasn't in this program because it would have been I'd been worried about my leg and my ankle messing up. But I haven't had a single problem with it. Nothing at all. So um I haven't weighed since I we last talked. I mean, maybe once a couple weeks ago, uh, and it was still the same. Um, about 180. Um, so I haven't gained any weight. My strength went up every time I was in the gym. So, it's been great and I love the program. It's definitely hard, but >> Yeah. Good. So, just to recap, uh, Kennedy, uh, you had a huge injury years ago, uh, and you had issues with stability around that and then your calories are really low because you were worried about, you know, gaining weight essentially or getting really overweight. >> And what's happened is you're following a good program, which uh, you know, definitely plays a role in what you're feeling right now for sure. But the the bigger impact uh and again they're both very impactful but the bigger impact is the fact that you went from 1600 to 26 to 2,800 calories. This is what's making such a massive difference in your strength and mobility is that you eat you're eating another thousand calories. >> Uh and that's what's making such a big difference. Then the programming definitely makes a difference like I said but but the calories are the big thing. And so if you want to keep move and and what you're noticing is no weight gain on the scale, >> but you are leaner and in your email it says you feel leaner. >> I do feel like I can see more definition throughout my shoulders and biceps and stuff like that. >> So what's happened is you've built some muscle and you've lost some body fat. >> Yep. >> Mhm. Now, if you want to keep going down this path, and I'm going to define the path, more strength, more vitality, moving better, faster metabolism, hormones better. You want to keep moving down this path, then I can give you some more advice. >> Yeah, of course. >> Okay. I want you to bump your calories again. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I want you to get >> thinking this time. >> I want you to go up if you're if you're between 26 to 28, I want you to go up to 3 to 32. >> Oh, I was going to say 28 to three. >> Yeah. But I want you Yeah. 3,000 would be a nice target. >> Okay. >> After you're done with maps performance, you can run it again or you could do map symmetry. >> Okay. >> And you're going to keep seeing great results. >> Yeah. >> You're going to keep seeing great results doing that. Getting stronger every workout. Uh is it's not just good, it's exceptionally good. >> So, I mean, you're you're kicking ass, but there's more runway. >> Yeah. You're humming right now. I the 2600 calories is still too low. >> Now, it's way more than what you were at, but it's still too low because we're still we're doing this body comp thing when the main goal is let's get you strong, dude. Let's get your leg feeling super secure and stable. We can worry about getting down to 10%. After we accomplish that, which by the way is going to be a lot easier because you're going to have a roaring metabolism. >> Oh, yeah. >> Mhm. You know, you'll be able to cut, let me put it this way, you'll be able to cut down to 24 2500 calories and get down to 10% body fat. >> Okay. Yeah, that would be helpful. >> That'll be a deficit for you. >> Yeah, that would be awesome. >> Yeah. So, keep moving down this path and bump them up again, dude. 3,000 is the consistent target. >> After MAP's performance is done, Symmetry would be the next program to follow. And that's it, bro. You're doing great. >> Perfect. Thank you all and I appreciate it all. and meeting with y'all again. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'd like to hear how you are after this, too, cuz I think this is I can't wait to hear where you're at after going up to 3,3200 calories. You're just going to keep building muscle, dude, and keep leaning out. >> You've literally unlocked something. And um you know, I'd like to ask you this, and you kind of touched on this a little bit. Tell me a little bit about the kind of the fear that you overcame with bumping the calories and working out the way you are right now. Like, what does that feel like to you? Um, it gave me a confidence that I haven't had in a long time. Um, I think a big part of the reason I like told you all last time I fell out of love with the gym was like I it just I just would go in there and I feel like I had no direction. Like it was the same old like pushpull legs, same thing every day. And so like doing something like this, it made me realize like I am a lot more athletic than I guess I thought I was even after my whole incident. Um and that brought back a confidence that was like okay like push past it, >> figure it out, be careful doing it, but figure it out. It doesn't define who I am. It doesn't define what my body can do. and we can overcome it and make it 10 times better than it was, even though it's a crappy situation. >> Yeah, dude. I love Yeah, I love that you're leaning into the movement, especially with the mobility. Uh, and that's really just going to keep unlocking new potential for you, man. So, it's super exciting >> what it's going to feel like if it isn't already cuz you're you're about you're on phase three. So, what you're like 2 months in, maybe, right? 60 days. Okay. Yeah, >> it's only two months. Let me just remind you, bro, >> 60 days. >> Like, how long were you eating? How long were you eating 1,600 calories and doing push pull legs? >> From probably January to when I talked to y'all. >> Yeah. So, this has only been This has only been two months. >> Yeah. >> So, what it's going to feel like cuz you're going to feel this if you aren't already in the rest of your life, like you're lifting like you're you're you're you're taking the the blinds off like whoa. Like you're going to have more energy in the world. uh better mood, better libido, more confidence, and other things because uh it had such a profound and by the way, it's not just you. That'll have a profound impact on anybody. You take a man who's active and you force them to eat, 1600 calories a day, and all of your body systems are down and depressed. All of them. So, that's why you're getting stronger all the time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, bump them again. 3,000. >> Be consistent. After performance, follow Symmetry. >> You're going to be great, dude. By the way, at the end of symmetry is a bilateral 5x5 phase, which you'll probably be ready for by the end of performance and symmetry. >> And when you get there, dude, it's going to be you're going to be like, "Holy cow, >> all new gains waiting for you right there." Yeah, >> that's right. >> Okay, perfect. >> You killed it, dude. Great job. >> Yeah. Good job, man. >> Great job. >> Thank you all. I appreciate it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You got it, man. >> Proud of you, dude. >> Yeah. Reach back out in 60 days. Let us know what's happening. Send us an email. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> All right. Later, man. a huge success story, dude. >> Huge. So rad. >> Huge. Wait, I I you know, and by the way, he said something I just want to touch on. He said, uh, I feel more flexible and mobile. >> Mhm. >> And I never thought I was a flexible mobile guy. >> There's two reasons for that. >> One, he's 60 days into a program that focuses on mobility. >> Mhm. >> The other, and people don't realize this, is when you're underfed for a long period of time. >> Yeah. >> Uh, your body shuts things down. >> Restricts. >> It restricts movement. It restricts energy. It restricts lots of different things. And >> when you live to conserve >> when you live there for a while, it's like this is just how I am is what it feels like. And then, you know, you when I do this with clients, >> uh, they would be like, I I'm a new person >> is what they would say. That's what he's starting to realize is that he's he's becoming >> a new person. >> He's really unlocking new potential. >> I mean, here's a here's another one of these great stories. This is the thing that we constantly like, uh, increase calories by a,000 calories, not gaining weight on the scale. That's crazy. That doesn't matter. >> How does that uh how does that work? >> Come on, science guy. >> Can you gain 35 lbs of muscle to boost up that metabolism? How does that work? >> It's wild. You see it over and over and over again, though. >> That's right. >> Our next caller is Arisai from California. Colorado, sorry. >> Arisi, what's up, man? Hey, how's it going, guys? Good afternoon. How can we help you? >> Uh, first of all, I'm just really excited to be talking to you guys. I've been listening to the podcast for six, seven years, maybe. I even went back to catch up on all the episodes and I just love your show. I try to share it with every everybody that asked me for any type of fitness advice or anything like that. I always tell them like, listen to these guys. They know what they're talking about. >> Thanks, man. Appreciate that, brother. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. But basically, uh, so a little bit about me. I'm 27. I've been working out for a while. Uh, the last like 3 to 4 years, I started a job that's very physical. I'm a food service delivery driver. So, I drive a semi-truck, go to restaurants, deliver their stuff by hand with a dolly. Uh, I usually get 10 to 15,000 steps in a day, and I pick up 20 to 25,000 lbs worth of product every day. And so, uh, I had to cut back a lot on my workout volumes, but I kept running into lower back pain issues. Uh, especially this year, I've had, uh, twice that I've, uh, injured myself. Had to take some a few days off work and kind of let it heal. Uh, thankfully, there's no actual like uh, disc injuries or anything like that. It's just like a muscle pull or something like that. So my question to you guys was how can I strengthen my lower back as well as uh maybe I don't know if it might be >> support it. >> Yeah. >> While still going to work every day of the week and doing all that heavy lifting and stuff like that without overdoing it in the end. >> Eris, I'm gonna ask you a couple questions just get some clarity. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh is it the same kind of back injury each time? I think it is cuz both times, I don't know if it was the same side, but both times when I got hurt, my uh hip shifted to the side and I was like walking sideways for a few days before it like actually got better. >> Got it. And where do you feel the pain? >> Uh usually right around the very low back, like to the side, sometimes even down to like uh >> my hips kind of. >> Okay. Okay. And how did you hurt it? What were you doing? >> The first time it was just at work. I didn't I don't know exactly when I heard it. It started hurting and then kind of got worse and worse throughout the day until I couldn't work anymore. >> Okay, good. >> Uh the second time was with squats at the gym. >> Okay. >> It sounds like either QL or soaz, but it's probably QL. This is a quadratus lumboreum is the muscle. So, you can kind of look it up online >> and see what it is so you kind of know what the action is, but essentially it gives you lateral >> lateral stability >> stability. So when your body bends side to side >> and then the soaz uh is a hip flexor muscle that attaches to your leg but it goes through your body and attaches in the low the lower part of your spine. And so sometimes the hip flexor can get pulled because it's trying to stabilize and other muscles aren't doing what they're supposed to and when it does it hurts on the side of the lower back. So yeah, it sounds like it's one of those two things. Mhm. >> Um, a couple what you would want to do essentially is strengthen the supporting areas um and even strengthen those muscles uh themselves. So, you're probably like, "Okay, well, what does that look like?" Uh, programwise, >> I think a program that will generally address some of that is MAPS symmetry 15. >> Uh, and I I think that might be good considering your workload. >> And so, you're basically just doing a couple exercises a day. Um, and it's it's unilateral, which I think would address some of the issues that you might be dealing with. >> Yeah. I once I got hurt at the gym with squats, I switched to doing uh lunges and baleran split squats instead and didn't have an issue with it. >> Yeah. Good. >> So, >> I would like to get back to squatting at some point. >> Yes. But we need to we need to work on >> some of those stability issues before you start to train heavy, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Once we load it, then it kind of leaves you open. susceptible if there's uh any instability still. So we we got to address that. We got to get strong in that first. So you know really take your time with that. Um and then too like you know hip bridges and things like that. Really gradually introduce rotation which is something that might you know you got to be real careful with that. But that's something too that like windmill would be great you know additionally uh down the road to start working on. >> There's two. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to send you map symmetry 15. That's your workout, which by the way is you're going to love. You're going to love how you feel and you're going to build muscle, do all that stuff. >> Uh I'm also going to send you two videos of two exercises that you can practice uh pretty regularly, almost every day, maybe every other day. One video is as a windmill, and I think that's just a great mobility movement to do before you go to work. So like before you start your day, you do like five reps on each side, something like that. Maybe do it halfway through the day. Also do a couple. And then I'm going to send you something. Uh the title of that video is um hip flexor deactivating. Oh yeah. >> Crunches or hip flexor deactivators. >> And so what you could do with both of those is you could practice a little bit. Spend 10 minutes before you start work. Um and maybe or maybe at the end of work or in the middle of the day. Um and you don't have to do them every day, but every other day is perfectly fine. And then your workouts max 15. And I think that'll probably solve your issue. >> Okay. Yeah, it sounds good. I I already I already ran just the regular maps 15 and I really liked it. And it's funny how like you get all that progress and it feels like you're not doing anything. >> Yeah. No, 100% dude. Trips me out all the time. >> You'll like Symmetry 15. So Symmetry 15 is unilateral focus which is I think what you need. >> Yeah, for sure. Cuz I've been doing a lot of just regular squats, deadlifts for a long time. And I think I do need to >> go to you know for a while. >> Oh yeah. Nothing's wrong with what the squats and deadlifts and all that stuff. That's right. You'll >> get back to that. Just need to bolster it. >> Yeah. But you've been doing it for a long time. And then on top of it, you know, you're you're lifting boxes and moving things. You know, it says in your email 20 to 25 times a day. Uh you know, uh a day. >> Yeah. >> Uh or 20 times a day, 25 pounds a day essentially. >> And you know, that involves like twisting. One leg is forward. You got to put it somewhere. You're not doing like this perfect like squat, deadlift like straight ahead all the time. There's a little bit of movement. And I think that's where you're getting your issue. The the long >> Yeah, there's a lot of awkward lifting because, you know, you're just pulling stuff off of a pallet and it could be in the backside and you got to step over stuff and it's just a lot of that. >> The a long the long-term prescription sounds exactly what the guys just prescribed. And then you can go to MAPS 15, regular MAPS 15 after that. But as long as you just inject the symmetry and keep doing the the windmill and the deactivator, do those do those non-stop all the time before you work or after you work and then follow symmetry 15 and then after symmetry 15 you go to maps regular maps 15 and just toggle back and forth between those two. Those that'll that'll support you to build muscle, take care of everything. >> Okay. Yeah. Nice. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Thanks, man. Yeah. >> Yeah. I also wanted to shout you guys out cuz you guys uh because of you, I found Hule >> and I've really been using it a lot this last month cuz I had double jaw surgery four weeks ago. >> Oh, damn. >> So, I'm liquid right now and I haven't lost any weight. I'm still maintaining my weight. So, >> nice, dude. >> That's killer stuff. >> Yeah. Thanks, dude. >> Yeah, but it was really nice talking to you guys. Really big fan and appreciate everything you guys do. >> Thanks, brother. >> We appreciate the support. >> Thanks, man. >> Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's a common uh common issue. Yeah. Uh if my back ever gets hurt, it's QL. >> I know. Same. Yeah. >> I've been through that process a few times. >> And it sucks. >> It does. >> It suck. And I'll even do a basic super basic exercise that most fitness people laugh at, which is like dumbbell side bends, >> you know, which is actually not a bad strength. >> It's not, you know, it's not as dynamic as a windmill, but it's a basic, you know, >> well, that lateral stability is like crucial, dude. It's you, dude. Especially when you're lifting things. >> Y. >> Our next caller is Autumn from Ohio. >> Hi, Autumn. Hi, Autumn. >> Hello. >> Hi. >> How can we help you? >> So, I kind of wrote in my email kind of my question, but the biggest thing is I've not seen progress in my lower body strength in about like 2 years, I'd say. I recently got off of being pretty lean and I kind of expected to get stronger as a result of that, but I haven't seen progress in like especially like my squat or most of my lower body exercises. So, I didn't know what you guys think could be the problem. >> You follow a match program? >> I'm not I I do my own programming currently. >> Yeah. Problem one, >> it's one of two things. So, or I'll say one of three things. either you're really really strong and you're hitting uh you're getting to the point where adding strength is uh very difficult >> or you're not eating enough or properly or it's your workout programming uh uh is is the issue >> or a combination of all >> or a combination. So let's let's let's dive into those. So what lifts are you are you interested in in in building up your squat, I would assume. >> Yeah, the biggest one is my squat. >> And what does your squat look like? Give me some numbers here. So, the most I've ever done was 245 for six. >> Okay. You're really strong. >> Yeah. You're already really damn strong. >> Yeah. >> So, gaining more strength is going to be more difficult for you than if you were like squatting 100 pounds. >> Yeah. >> 240 245 for six is really strong. >> Yeah. You're like strong. >> Most people can't Most girls can't even PR that one time. So, to rep that six times is incredibly strong. >> Yeah. So, you're you're already in like the top 1% of strength. Uh, tell me about your nutrition. What does your diet look like? >> So, I I do eat mostly whole foods and I eat a lot. I'm very hungry. I have a fast metabolism, so I definitely eat enough. I recently was thinking about like doing a cut just because I have gained a good amount of body fat, but I haven't really started it. >> What's your calories at right now? >> So, I haven't tracked in a couple weeks, but usually I'm hitting close to like 2,800 to 3,000. >> Okay. So, it's probably not food. So, let's look at programming. >> Mhm. >> Explain your workout to me. What does it look like? >> So, right now I do do three lower body days and then I do one or two upper body days. And on the lower body days, I typically do one to two heavier days where I'll do like squat, Bulgarian split, squat, something like that, and the other one more like accessory focused. >> So, two days are heavier compound, one is accessory. >> How many total sets are you doing >> in each of those workouts? Count up all the sets. >> Yeah. Might be >> uh I'd say about like 12 to 15 >> each workout. >> Per workout. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. That's a lot. >> Your programming is a problem. >> Doing overdoing that. >> You're doing remarkably well considering the you're you're doing way too much volume. >> Yeah. You got to recover if you want to get stronger, which tells me you've got some good genetics on your hand uh on your side, too. >> So, how >> So, what would you recommend? Like how much how many sets per workout? Uh, so well let me let me let me >> we'll just give you a program. >> Yeah. Let me pause there for a second. How long you been listening to us? >> Uh, about two years now. >> All right. And and you really want to get strong. Sounds like this is what you you really want to do. >> Yeah. >> Why haven't you gotten one of our programs? >> I've wanted to. I I might get one for my birthday is what I was planning on, but I just haven't had the money to. >> I'll send I'm going to send you powerlift. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And you're going to hit some PRs. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Follow it the way it's laid out. >> Don't add >> Yeah. Don't add >> Don't add a bunch of stuff to it. Autumn. >> Don't switch out the upper body with the lower body either. >> Yeah. Just keep it do exactly the same. You're going to hit PRs in all your lifts. >> Yep. >> I wouldn't I wouldn't Don't diet yet either. Keep your calories where you're at. Yep. Wait till after the power lift. If if you want to do a cut, do it after a powerlift. That way we get the gains. >> So stay >> go ahead. >> Like uh cardio wise, would you recommend not really doing >> Are you doing anything? What are you doing right now? Right now I do sprints once a week and then I mostly just walk besides that. >> Walking is perfect. You do that. You're fine. You stay stay with that. >> Yeah, you can keep maintain that. So, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to give you powerlift >> and in 3 months you're going to come back on the show and I want to hear what happened. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. All right. >> Any any gains though just in strength from where you're at is incredible by the way cuz you're we are we are hitting you've been training I'm assuming for quite a while now. >> This will be a real test. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's programming matters. >> Now, the two two was it 245 or 26? >> 245 for six. >> Now, that was your all-time best. Are you able to do that now or what do you think you can do now? >> Um, most recently, like last week, I did 225 for eight with a belt. >> Oh, so you're close. Okay, cool. All right. Can't wait to see what happens in a few months. >> I know. Yeah. >> Cool. Yeah, I'm excited. Thank you guys. >> Yeah. And then maybe you can compete in powerlifting cuz you got some numbers. >> Yeah. >> Young lady. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. >> Yeah. You're doing great. >> All right. We'll see you in 90 days. >> Cool. Thank you guys. >> You got it. >> Bring it on. >> [ __ ] 45 sets a week. >> Just casually throwing that out there. >> 40 like 40 plus. >> I was I I scored it yesterday. It was 225 for eight. >> That's exactly my number size yesterday. >> I don't want to go too much. >> I was in I was taking it really easy. I was taking I was like I'm sore [ __ ] >> That's warm up. That's an insane amount of volume. Yeah, so that's why she's not getting stronger. I imagine she's probably obviously over a year she's been doing five I bet five years pretty consistent. >> Yeah. >> And so she's peaked >> um you know uh and the only thing that's going to get it is giving herself more recovery. >> And it kind of points to like what like the common thought would be to just like you know switch out upper body make more emphasis on legs and like add more. There's a point like that. No, there's a point where you get not just diminishing returns to go backwards. >> The fact that she's maintaining strength even without volume. >> Oh I know. pretty resilient. >> Well, it's also a testament to her feeding. >> She's she's taking care of feeding at least. >> What are your predictions on uh what she'll be doing by the end of >> I Dude, I No way, bro. Are you kidding me? No way. >> I think she her her best for >> one rep max, man. >> Her best ever was 245 for six. >> Yeah. >> I think she's going to do uh >> 265 >> two like close to 260 for six, I think, will be what she'll end with. >> Yeah. I don't know. That's That's a That is tough to take somebody like that. >> I know. To to squeeze more. >> The only reason why I'm saying that is she's that strong with doing 40 sets a week of legs. >> I know. >> So, in fact, if all she did, and I don't want to say this to her cuz I want her to follow our program. The best one. >> Just cut it in half. >> If I if I Hey, hey, take out one of those days and then cut the sets down by a third on the other ones, that alone would have had her bump >> her strength considerably. >> Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see. I mean, trying to squeeze more out of that is uh is going to be hard. I mean inc at this point in her lifting career, >> she's going to see no matter what >> 20 pound gain would be amazing. >> Yeah. In she's going to see incremental strength strength gains and then at at this also should be highlighted >> at this level at where she's at. Not only is it programming, diet, all things, but then also rest that week and sleep like like all the other stressors in your life like to see you know a a slightest bit of off of any of that could swing her, you know, >> 10 lbs. >> Yeah. 10 pounds north or south. >> Our next caller is Hunter from Utah. >> Yo, >> what's up, dude? >> How are you guys? Oh my gosh, this is not real. What the [ __ ] >> Watch your language, young man. >> Hey, I said I said [ __ ] >> Okay. All right. >> All right. Good. Say, dude. >> All right, dude. How can How can we help you, man? >> Awesome. Um, I'll read my question. So, first I wanted to shout out Jackie. She is amazing. >> She is awesome. Thanks. >> Um, okay. So, I said, "What's up, guys? I sent you a grad card. I don't know if you got it. I just graduated, but um I'm heading out on a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints uh to Pueblo, Mexico, uh next week, and I'm really passionate about fitness, and I don't want to lose the progress I built. Um, but the structure of a mission and mission life makes training really a challenge. So, here's my situation. I have 30 minutes to 45 minutes of exercise a day and I'll be on my feet and walking most of the day and I have no idea where uh whether I'll have access to a gym or any equipment. The one thing I know is that I'm bringing a jump rope for cardio and resistance bands. My question is what's the most effective way to build or at least maintain maintain muscle with just 30 minutes a day and a body weight only training as my baseline? I want a protocol that I can actually run with no matter where I'm assigned, but that I can also scale up if I do have happen to get gym access. What would you program? How do you think about structuring something like this uh with the with when the interface effect from all that daily walking is already in play? Thanks so much. Love what you guys do. >> Yeah, thanks. >> I would uh map Mass 15 with a suspension trainer. >> Yeah, you could throw that around a tree. Not the advanced plan, but the first one. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it sounds like you're probably mostly not going to have access regular access to a gym. >> No. >> Yeah, that's that's that's correct. I don't I I haven't heard anything about a gym. I would mostly just be in my apartment exercising. >> That's why 15 suspension would be so good because then if he does, he's got the freeway version. >> So, MAPS maps 15 is you're doing it like basically two lifts a day every day. >> Uh you can either do the suspension trainer version. Do you know what a suspension trainer is? >> Uh yeah. It's like the thing where you like connect and you like pull and stuff. Right. >> Now, if you have access to a barbell, like out of the blue, then you could do a barbell version and it's in the same program. >> Awesome. >> All right. Here's what I'm going to do because I think uh when we get off, I want you to email us your address. I'm going to send you Mass 15 and I'm going to send you a suspension trainer. >> Oh, wow. >> As a graduation as a graduation gift. >> Oh, thank you so much. >> You got it, dude. Go do good work, man. >> All right. Just to the same email that I I've been emailing before. Yes, like the >> Yep. Send your address. Thank you so much. >> And say, "Hey, the guy said they'd send me a suspension trainer, so you'll have it all taken care of, and you can pack it super easy. It doesn't take up much space at all." >> Okay, sweet. Thank you so much, guys. You're the best. >> You got it, man. >> Y good, dude. >> Yeah. Go help. Byebye. >> All right. >> I love how he said, "What the fuss?" >> "What the fuss?" >> I thought he said I dropped an F ball. Like, dude, watch your language. No, I said what the fuss. Like, okay, dude. Well, two years, dude. He's be out there for two years. And that's perfect. Adam, I was thinking um I was thinking other% >> they're a little longer workout in the Maybe he gets access to the gym here and there. Boom. Barbell, >> right? And >> yeah, both plans are >> and the suspension trainer is so great. Uh cuz I I like the way you can progress. I mean, >> you can make it hard. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The bands are going to be >> And he can throw that on a tree. Like you can do that outside, you can do that anywhere. And so Yeah. and it travels really easy. It's just one tool that you can bring. And so, I mean, any of those programs would work. I just I personally myself, I would run that protocol and then if I get lucky and I get near a gym, I'm going to I'm going to lift weights and follow it. Otherwise, I'm going to do suspension train. >> You'd be surprised what you can preserve and also gain uh you know, with suspension trainers. >> All right, I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. One of the keys to fat loss is protein. It's true. If you're not eating a high protein diet, you're not going to burn as much body fat as you can. So, today's episode, we're going to talk about the smartest ways to use protein for fat burn and to build muscle. You got to watch this. >> I wish I understood this earlier in my career. I think it was probably almost 10 years in when I started to just focus on this with clients. >> I knew it was important, but I don't know how important. >> Yeah. I also did I knew what was important and but I also