Giant Crystal Caves & Alien Contact | Leela Hutchison Reveals the Chihuahuan Desert Mysteries

Can the giant crystals be attracting, transmitting, or even communicating with nonhuman intelligence? And so much more. It was 128° F in that cave. We were 1,000 ft below the surface. It was 100% humidity and there was no light. When I came out of there, I really didn't know what happened to me. I just know that what I saw was completely extraordinary. in hydro. They they took those fluid inclusions and studied them and they found microbes that had never been found on the planet before. I am so excited about my guest today. Leela Hutcherson is a graduate gemologist, author, and researcher who became the first woman to enter Mexico's extraordinary giant selonite crystal caves as part of an early exploration team. So for more than 20 years, Leela has investigated the mysteries surrounding these enormous crystals and the Chihuahuan Desert, including reports of high strangeness, UFO crash retrievals, and unusual phenomena near White Sands Missile Range. And along the way, Leela began recovering her own memories of childhood contact experiences in the region. Her book, What a Read: Contact in the Chihuahuan Desert, brings all these threads together. Can the giant crystals be attracting, transmitting, or even communicating with nonhuman intelligence? And so much more. Welcome to Dare to Dream, where we explore the extraordinary intersections of creativity, consciousness, purpose, and the lives that inspire us to see ourselves differently. And with that, I bring the amazing Leela Hutchinson onto the Dear to Dream Show. Welcome. We're doing this. We're finally here together. >> Hi. Thank you so much for inviting me to be on your podcast today. I really feel this is an honor to to speak to you and and the people who are interested in all of these subjects that you've brought forth in the last 20 years. Um it's an exciting time. I don't know how close we are to complete disclosure. Probably never. I don't know. But I know that we're all contributing pieces to it with our own contact, our own research, field research experiences. And it's just what a time. What a time >> it is. It's an incredible time. And I said to you before we started, this is like Indiana Jones. It's like no joke. Boy, are you brave [laughter] and and courageous and all of that. And I just want to say to folks, I met you at contact in the desert in May. So just a few months ago. Um because our mutual friend Steven Basset, I came to say hi to him at the table. we were at a award event together and he said, "You've got to meet this woman." And Steve doesn't say that to me, but also when I connected with you so briefly, I felt your energy and I got like whoever this is, I need to know her. And now, [laughter] [clears throat] boy, was I right. So, let's get into it because >> yes, >> this is phenomenal stuff. Okay, Leela, regarding the mysteries surrounding these enormous crystals that take forever to grow and the Chihuahuan Desert, what caused you in the beginning to even be interested in investigating them? >> Wow. Well, and one thing we didn't mention, and I didn't have those books with me, is I wrote my memoirs in 2016, Deb. It was called Journey into the Giant Selonite Crystal Caves of Mexico. And that really encountered and encompassed my spiritual awakening and some of the challenges I had leading up to being in those crystal caves 25 years ago in January of 2001. >> So because I had been an athlete, I had been a rock climber and lived in Arizona and I had um I'd hiked the Grand Canyon in and out in one day. I've done that several times at Mount Whitney. Um just I don't know, just ran a lot. Um I didn't do marathons, but I did uh short distances like that, six miles, whatever. But I think all of that physicality and living in the Southwest my life, my whole life, being born and raised in El Paso in the ET hot zone, really gave me the opportunity to meet and to work with the person who's now deceased, who was the head of the expedition, invited me to come into um this first group of explorers right after the crystal caves were found uh April of 2000. We were there in 9 months. We had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. So to talk to you about the activation that happened to me spiritually, okay, it was 128 degrees Fahrenheit in that cave. We were 1,000 ft below the surface. It was 100% humidity and there was no light. This was a lead, zinc, and silver mine that had been operating for and still is operating for over 200 years. So, we didn't understand I didn't understand that you could die and become unconscious from the heat because there's no way to cool the organs down when it's a super hot sauna like that. So, the way I feel about it is that my blood crystals, I just felt like they boiled. Like it [clears throat] changed me >> because it was so extraordinarily hot. I went into two caves. The cave of dreams, that's a smaller cave. We were in there for about 42 minutes. And it was my job to go into this punched hole in bedrock that was looked like Swiss cheese to see all these crystals like a crystal waterfall. go down into the chasm, crawl up on the other side with just a minor's helm >> and a light and see how far the furthest reaches of the cave. There's no there's no place to walk. You you know, you have to climb over these crystals that were extremely warm, but because they're gypson, that's the family name for selonite, it absorbs heat, so it's not like it's it uh like quartz crystal that can burn you. So, I was able to do it. Now, when I came out of that cave and then went into the cave of giants, and this has all been on Nat Geo in 2008, 2010 with a team of NASA explorers that went in there, but that was seven to eight years after we had already been in there. So, they were in like low tech suits. We had nothing. We were shorts and tennis shoes and a towel over my face with my eyeballs burning. >> [sighs and gasps] >> So, the reason I'm giving you all of this kind of this structure to uplift this story with you is because something changed for me. When I came out of those caves that day on January 23rd, 2001, I was extremely dehydrated. We all were. And I had a horrible headache. The heat was just extreme. And we were in there all day exploring. We got in the pickup truck and left Nika and headed for Delissius and the the headache was raging and I I just prayed and I prayed to my the angels and I'd had a dream before I'd ever even went in there. We were going to be safe with a white owl. In fact, I told our mutual friend George Norory about that. He was really fascinated about the white owl. So, I fell asleep for like five minutes on a bumpy road with my elbow on the truck, the pickup truck door like this. And I tell you, in five minutes, that headache was completely gone. All right? And that wasn't just a headache. That was dehydration. Major dehydration. When I came out of there, I really didn't know what happened to me. I just know that what I saw was completely extraordinary. And now looking back, I'm just one out of a handful of eight billion people have had the extreme opportunity to go in there into this mine into these crystal caves and take photos and images and come out and show them to the world. It's unbelievable even to me. And I've never I think about this every day of my life. Every day. So after I got out of there, I said, "What are these? Why are they here? Why am I involved in that? What is it that I need to bring forth?" I was already had moved to Northern California and I became a hands-on uh body worker in 1997. So even now, 30 years later, I have over 8,500 hours of hands-on healing with people. That's how many sessions I've done. And I knew that in my spiritual path that I needed to understand what these were. And so I began to show these rare images. I have the earliest original images that have ever come out of those caves. I control those. I own them. And I didn't really understand the geology. In fact, nobody did. They didn't understand how these massive crystals were formed. They had an idea, but they didn't know for sure that it would take uh the width of a of a human hair for it to grow, this crystal matrix to grow uh in 100 years. So, the width of a human hair, it takes, it's the slowest growth crystal of all the minerals on the planet to grow. So you can imagine if they're six feet to seven feet wide and 40 feet tall, you know, not almost a million years to grow to that width. So as I came out, I I couldn't really even talk about it. I didn't know how to talk about it. Didn't know it was selonite. So I went to school and I didn't want to become a geologist even though I lived at the in El Paso, the College of Mines before it turned into University of Texas at El Paso. But I did decide to go to Gemological Institute of America in Carl'sbad and I fell in love with it. My uncle was a diamond jeweler. So when I was a little girl in Phoenix, he used to work at Paul Johnson Jewelers. He would bring out flutes of diamonds. I'm like four years old at the kitchen table with my aunt Peg and I was hooked. So I knew that authenticating gemstones would be my path and a lot of things that led me to that and that gave me the credentials to be able to present this all over. So if you've seen my bio of the crystal giants.com it's I've done a lot of speaking and it's mostly in the scientific world. What happened was I was afraid to really come out about some of these other things, this paranormal stuff, these mysteries, um because of what happened to me and how I got criticized for not having any kind of credentials to speak about these, right? And who am I to go on these crystal caves? So once I got that, I started to do this field research. I have a pickup truck and I being from the desert anyway, I was I was going back and forth through uh a lot of this area, the Chihuahuan Desert and I started to put this together about what in the world, what is this? Why is it attracting what it does? Um and we can get into that. But what as I was doing this book last year, I know that I started to have um I knew a little bit about my contact experience when I was a little girl, but it as I started to write this book, it started to really get activated and the memories started to come back. So that really last year was a big year for me because I thought, no, I have to put in here the contact experience because I think it's all part of the path. It was all about living in El Paso. I think this is part of intersecting my destiny that I actually created this opportunity for myself uh 20 plus years ago and that my job was to be a frequency holder and to anchor anchor this light and frequency through these crystals and bring it and share it with everyone. >> Absolutely. I agree a thousand%. And I love that you even started talking about disclosure and if it will happen because this is right in line all of these high strangeness things that are now coming out. Certainly people like you and me in our field there. There's so much we still don't know which I love about this field. There's no one and done. I do want to share with you, Leela, that um it's amazing you mentioned the white owl because I do shamanic work and some of what I do is around animal spirit medicine. So, I know the medicine of animals and when you say you had a dream prior to this. So, the owl is the medicine of walking between worlds and it portends the future. And on our own time, I'll send you I'll email you more of the medicine of the owl. >> I would love that. >> That'll put that together for you. So unbelievable because I know you go through this and your book all this important equipment and clothing you're supposed to have. You you guys go in without any of it. And they even you even say in the book should never be more than 10 minutes or you can die. And here you're doing over 40. This is unthinkable. So, you've got this extreme heat. You've got the scale of the crystals. Was there anything that happened inside of the cave that you still cannot explain? >> Yes. Yes. A few things. First of all, an ultra low frequency uh is the best way I could research it. Uh and that's in my first book as well. Like it's a hum. It was like this deep like Gaia's like Schuman resonance. It was I could hear this low hum and I thought it was the machinery and the equipment in the in the Penolus mine because they use this massive you like these guns that punch holes in bedrock. And I just thought maybe it was the hum of the uh that kind of machinery or they had um oh why am I missing why am I thinking about this? these uh shafts uh air shafts uh that were 2,000 ft above us to pull out this extraordinary heat. So, a few things that make this one of the most uh unique places is that uh sometime in geological history there was a pinch of magma that got caught between two tectonic plates, right? And so it it had it be created a like a a Bunson burner underneath the aquafer. So this is this was all fascinating why they had to take the water out of the mine in order to even get access to the silver is because millions of years ago we had something called the great American Seaway. It's called the Sea of Teeth. And the Sea of Teeth was this massive aquafer that went through northern Mexico to to New Mexico, part of Texas and part of Arizona. It was fascinating. So where did the water go? Because we you know it's a dryer desert. Well, the aquafer sinks and so it's underneath and this Bunson burner of heat created uh this moisture. So it was a hydrothermal exchange of minerals in the fractures in the bedrock from earthquakes. God knows pull shift. Yeah, we don't know. So extraordinarily uh to mention is that one of the pylons, one of the largest ones had fallen from the matrix down and it was like as big as a felled redwood tree. Deb, if >> you can imagine that, right? Wow. And what was in there besides the sound I'm telling you about in these extraordinary uh circumstances that formulated these crystals was eight years later when I met Dr. Penelopey Boston. She was the director of astrobiology at NASA and Moffet Field in um Northern California. They extracted in hydros. You know what those are inside crystals? Like the bubbles of water that sometimes that you might find. It's it's a rare find, but they're, you know, it's common enough. It's frequent enough. Well, in the selonite, which is made of water and salts, it crystallized this in hydro, they they took those fluid inclusions and studied them and they found microbes that had never been found on the planet before. they were alien microbes. She told me they were alien. I've got a picture of it on her screen of their um mag magnesium oxide. And they have these microbes are like extreaphiles that have the ability to live for 60,000 years without any food. All right? Living on the metals and the and the minerals inside the salelonite crystals. So when I went in there into these caves, I felt like something was watching me. So I want to talk about we talk about contact with non-human intelligence. It's being like a body, a head, you know, a arms, two arms and legs maybe. And what I want to really bring to your audience and bring to their attention is maybe NHIS are in the form of intelligent microbes down to that that have the ability to have to exist. They're called extreophiles and NASA's all about that. They look for them on Mars and they have a database like the Mars rover and they input these particular extrema files in that database. And so when they were checking those microbes against that database, there was nothing nothing in the database that NASA had that match these microbes that were in these caves. >> That is so exciting. That is so amazing. >> Isn't that something? Because I really felt not only did the white owl come to our hotel the night before and said, "Come, come." She was telling me we're going to be safe because truly we weren't informed. Like, hey, guess what? If you fall down, there's there's nowhere to run, nor hide it. There will not be any EMTs coming with a a gurnie to come in there and get you and take you out. And the other thing, and they've lied about this, too. It's almost like it's the Mandela effect. Dr. Boston told me they were ancient. No, they were alien microbes that they found and then later it changed to ancient microbes. Yeah. See how they changed that? They also said that no one was in there that hacked out a couple of crystals. Well, I have one of the images where the rope is still hanging from where the two miners that went in there that were trying to hack out those crystals to sell them on the black market. So, you know, you know, museum quality specimens of selonite can go for pretty good money. And the they went in there with a plastic bag, Deb, of their own carbon dioxide breath, thinking that that would, you know, they could take a breath of that if it got too hot. Well, the one guy fell and went unconscious because of the heat. As I told you, you can't wick it. So your brain starts to heat up and and the only you just shut down. Your whole body just shuts down. The other guy panicked. He left, went to get help, and when he came back, that guy was cooked to death, >> right? Like par boiled because I know because I felt that energy in my eyes. Well, it was like this hot sauna was just steaming our eyeballs. It was just so we didn't have any idea what we're really getting ourselves into. So that's why the white elf really showed me you're going to be fine and your whole group's going to be fine. >> Lucky. Lucky and meant to be. I agree. It sounds like you had a soul contract coming into this life and it's fascinating. So you're you physically witnessed underground these mysteries and these giant crystals and plus there's a desert above it. So, let's talk a little bit about this desert of high strangeness. Why does the Chihuahuan desert appear to be such a concentrated zone of anomalous activity? >> Wow. I don't know. I I mean, I've thought a lot about it and so my hypothesis here is are that the solomite crystals are transmitters and receivers of data. Okay? because there's too many documented crash retrievalss like Mexico's Roswell that uh Noi uh Noi Torres and uh Ruben Urati wrote about uh it was a crash in I think in the fall of 1974 that happened there. That's the one that's well documented and it brings up the issues of the microbes because it's a long story, but what happened when um the United States came in and tried to snatch that craft, which they did, they found 24 Mexican military men dead at the site. Okay. And there was no wounds. So something something took him out. So, I've got some, you know, there's some dark heaviness with that, too, with the um um let's see, Ryan Wood's uh father that were alien microbes. All right. And viruses. That's all connected to Roswell. Well, I have theories about that connected to uh UFO crash, especially that one, the Roswell crash, the Mexico's Roswell crash in Chihuahuan Desert. So, there's something that's creating, is it a beeping? There's something that's getting these UAPs to come in for a closer look. >> So, what is it? Is it the water? Is it crystal? Or is it the zone of silence that's full of magnetite? It's a strewn field of meteorites and magnetite that's on top of that. Remember I told you it was an aquifer. And then the aquifer went down and sunk down. And in this desert there is a huge amount of magnetite which is which can draw in meteorites. In fact, this was a place where the um uh not the Aztecs, the the Taywa, the Anastasia people would come to and I wrote about that um because they saw comets and they saw which are like meteorites that were falling south of where the PBLO were in New Mexico. And so they would they would walk all the way down to central Chihuahua to in this area and they would meet and apparently there's even some consideration that the Aztecs also came up or the Maya came up that they met because they could see this happening and they didn't know what was pulling it in. >> And then so you have the Yende meteorite which is over two tons of meteor that fell there. Um, and they don't know why it fell, but it's it's got to be the the magnets. It's got to be the magnetite that's pulling that in. Also, the um um the Athena rocket from Green River, Utah. These were launched into they were they were they were launching these rockets so that they would be attenuated and navigate uh navigate into White Sands Missile Range. It overshot it and fell into this zone of silence. >> This is an anomalous area that can't hold any communication signals. >> And there's been witnesses that said there's been tall whites that have walked around that people have encountered [clears throat] these unusual people um if they appeared lost in this area. So, and there's a lot written about that. So that's just [clears throat] some of the things I think are bringing in NHIUAPS in for a closer look. But there's other anomalies like the giants of Copper Canyon. >> Okay, that [laughter] I mean lions and giants and bears. Oh my, that whole section in the book was mindblowing to me on so many levels. So many levels. I mean, first of all, when you describe the behavior of the giants that they raped women and ate children, it was a little bit for me synonymous with the Anunnaki and what I know about them. So, it made me wonder uh and also, you know, this the way they had to keep going and how they had to be tricked in order to expire. And then even uh they you know they drank this poisonous drink which was very smart on the point part of the Indians very smart to trick them because they sound like they were awful these giants. And even the idea that when a child was born that they put these wood boards between their skull in order to create these elongated skulls that who knows was fashionable or they thought it made them look fiercer in war and all those things. So talk about the giants. >> Wow. Wow. Yeah. So you said about it. It's the chilicote uh berry that uh poisoned these guys with their tesuino which was it was like a corn beer and the giants love to drink this. Now there's effiges of u masks that the Tatahumaro Indians have in their collection that have red hair and red beards. What does that remind you of? So we have to go back and look at is this a >> was this a experiment? Okay, were these just like the same thing with the yeti. Were they another genetic experiment that was dropped down, >> okay, on this earth? Because these guys came up from Baja, all right, and they and we already know in Catalina they found all those giants bones. So they were coming over either from the bearing straight down the Pacific. All right. So you've got the Baja. They were probably coming up into um the Sea of Cortez. They disembarked there and they started to walk towards the mountains, Copper Canyon. So the first place was a cemetery in Onaves, which is probably um it's a little bit out of the Challen Desert. It is in western Sonora, the state of Sonora. Now check this out. You talked about the boards. No, no, no. They are, and you can find this, anybody that wants to do the research on it, these were elongated heads. They found, I think, maybe 12 to 20 adult uh adults, males and females that had these um alien heads. Okay. So, there's a picture, I think, in the uh in my book that you might have looked at. So very very strange. Now in the 1900s there were several reports that's when national or I should say Smithsonian was going down and maybe funding some of these guys. uh Carl Lumultz and um a couple of other ones, I can't think of their names right off hand, that went into Mexico and they went into some of these caves and found these giants bones that were um um inside these ancient baskets. They were like this. And when they brought them out, their clothing had like I don't know 2600 little uh triangles on their clothing. So, a lot of really strange stuff. Copper Can has several places where there were ancient mining tunnels just like Africa when they found those 80,000 year old tools on the east side of Africa. is, you know, really kind of validating the whole Anunnaki coming, you know, that whole theory about them coming for the gold. So, I think the most extraordinary one that's more recent is um Lloyd Pie in the Starchild. Did you I don't know if you read that part where that girl in 1935 was visiting her family in um Delissius and decided to go into a cave and found the bones of an Indian woman covering >> an infant. Okay. So Melanie Young um became the inheritor of that uh research because she was a neonatal nurse and she gave a talk at one of the UFO conferences in Prescidio, Texas, I think it was. And I documented all of that because what she said in there and what the final final conclusive evidence was two years later was two different stories. All right. She completely denied that this was an alien hybrid baby that this woman had had from the 1500s. So that's very strange stuff. Let's talk about the Tara Hamara. They are the fastest, longest endurance running people in the world. >> I think in your book you mention that they can run. Forget about a marathon. All the things we know here, triathlons. I think you mentioned for a week or for a month they can keep running without food, without water, without hydration, without shoes. This is incredible. >> They have um they can run a deer down to the point of exhaustion. So they can run. This is how they evaded the Spanish concistadors on on the copper canyon where most of them have been um you know uh conquered and brought into the Catholic uh religion and also they used these people to be slaves to to mine the silver and the Tara Hamara evaded them because they had so many of these trails that were crisscrossed all over Copper Canyon. And I ran some of those trails, not a a long way, but many of them come to a dead end. And now I I I didn't understand why would they have that, but I think this was left over from when they were hunted down by uh the Spanish concisadors and were trying to be rounded up to be married and brought into the Catholic religion and then also to work these mines. So they can their their legs are as big as tree trunks. I I kid you not. and they use um rubber tires, automobile tires, and they glue them to some leather and then put straps around their ankles and they kick a palota out of uh that's I think a Mexican word for ball that's made out of ironwood. It's very heavy. And this is what they kick down the trails as they as they do these endurance runs. It's amazing. I've seen them um in their own uh villages having competition with each other, but they've also been brought into Los Angeles crest. Um it was the the marathons, ultramarathons that they were doing. These guys would just stop and smoke a cigarette and then keep running. So, they're amazing people. We brought them into Sedona many years ago for a fundraiser for me and to bring an awareness for their tribes uh or I should say their villages. But that's extraordinary just to have those guys that are associated with Nika. So the Tara people have their language is called the Raamari language and that um Nika is a Raaramari word that means place of shade or rest. So when the Spanish would come up to El Camino Rial, they would stop and the Indians as well and stop and water their horses at the base of the Nika Mountain and they saw these rivlets of silver in there. That was in 1791. So they started digging and now here we are over two 200 years later. This is the most u prolific silver mine in the country of Mexico. So there you got largest crystals, more silver than anywhere else in the country of Mexico. You've got giants in Copper Canyon. You have the the the deepest can one of the deepest canyons in the world, Copper Canyon. You've got um I said the giants, right? So >> alien microbes. Don't forget the alien microbes that were >> giant crystals. That's right. Uh you've got you've also have uh the zone of silence which is just this massive stone field of meteorites and uh magnetite. Uh you have UFO crash retrievalss. There's several on that border of Texas. And then of course you've got to add add Roswell into it because Roswell is inside the Chihuahuan Desert. It's 200,000 square miles of desert high desert. There's so much going on. Jesse Waters, let's We could talk about uh Jake Barber, what they saw. There's There's very strange things going on in that that desert. Woohoo. My brave woman, I tell you. We're going to take a very quick break here, but when we come back, one of the subjects I want to bring up is witchcraft with Leela. So, folks, what a crazy conversation. And it is so beautiful. It is so on point for where we are right now. And if you have ever wondered about yourself galactically as a star seed, what your roots are out in the cosmos, I have a free gift for you. You can visit debashinger.com/starsseed for your complimentary star seed report. You can discover new insights about your cosmic origins, your soul gifts, your multi-dimensional blueprint. And all the links will be in the show notes. And for anybody who's listening, if this conversation is expanding your understanding of crystals, of contact, of hidden mysteries on the planet, please subscribe to the Dareto Dream podcast right now. Like this episode and share it with somebody who is ready to question what may be communicating with us from beneath the earth and the skies. Subscribe, like, and comment. And now, let's return to Leela's extraordinary story because her investigation of the desert eventually awakened memories from her own childhood. So Leela, I want to cover a little bit. You bring up Kuranderas, which in my field has always been such a positive connotation about the healers, the men and women, the medicine men and women who heal. But when we talk about bruha, I really understand the meaning of that and I know very well that there's some dark energies and dark practices as well. So talk about that because you had some face-toface persontoperson experiences with some witchcraft while you were in Mexico. I'd love to share stories. >> Yeah. It's it's also part of the reason why I stayed under the radar on the scientific side for so long. In my own private workshops and retreats, I would share this. But what I've been researching is the planetary crystal grid. And so I had gone down to San Miguel Yende and um I met this bruha who was visiting a woman who was a pretty well-known artist. He was living in SMA. She was an older woman. She did enostic painting with a lot of wax and red like for blood. Thought that was interesting. A lot of her paintings had this blood theme to it. And this uh this lady was a friend of hers and she was from Chihuahua. So being naive and overly passionate about this extraordinary find because there's a connection with a scalientes. There's uh we're talking about water, right? Water and crystals and we're talking about lay lines. And so I was in SMA kind of doing some investigative research around it. So, I walked into my uh my hostess. I walked into her home and this woman was sitting there. She was all in black and she was at the counter, the kitchen counter, and I came in and I said, she said she was from Chihuahua. And I told her, I said, "Oh my gosh." I said, "Do you know about the crystals?" And she said she was hateful. She says, "Of course I know about them. My father is a kuranduro." I'm like, "Shut up. And I didn't know what to think of that. I was really shocked. And then um later that day, she actually um she put some kind of an energetic spell on me. Um I don't even want to put it I don't even want to do what was there that because I don't think we need to do that. But uh I went down for three days. My luggage was lost. I had no clothes for 5 days. I was only there a week. And um I went down really hard and was incapacitated. And there's no doubt that she did that. So that taught me something about when there's a lot of light, there's a great light brings moths to the flame, right? The dark comes out. So, I've had a lot of challenges over the years because, you know, we're talking about the light. Selonide is one of the purest forms of of pure light that there are um of all the mineral kingdom. Uh quartz crystals hold programs. Selonite doesn't. It just flows this white light. That's why it's super angelic and super protective uh to have. And most of the people who are really interested in my work all have selonite. All of them. It's all over their homes and and you know that you can create a grid around your house [snorts] in your in your and have like a force field works. It really works. So that was just one of them. Um there was an also uh I thought was fascinating in my research is that Poncho Vio consulted with the Tatum all the time. So see this lady's h father was part that kuranduro from Chihuahua and they would consult with them and literally just like the weles they would uh their ancestors they could pull they could pull crystal right out of the ether and claim it was their ancestor. But they gave Ponchovilla these little tokens to hold for protection that were made out of selonite. They were like carved fetishes to uh to help him with the revolution. I thought that was really fascinating. >> It is fascinating. >> They were working with it. They were working with the witch's energy, both white and dark. you know, when I was um starting my programs, working with some of the most phenomenal Peruvian shamans around the world, and I did it for many years to get my training. But my second teacher, uh, Dr. Alberto Vodo tells a story when he was very young and he was being sent to the Amazon specifically to do this bio research to find out about plants and bring them back possibly for medicine. Of course, his whole life got changed and he's become this very famous shaman bridging the east and the west and um bringing the information. And when he was a young buck, he met with in that region somebody who they claimed was so powerful and could literally alter your body life or death. And so he's listening to this young, impressionable, little too innocent. And he says, "I'll bet you [clears throat] $100," which was a lot of money for him at that time, that you can't do that. You can't do anything to me. I choose. I'm a metaphysician. whatever I decide is I'm that powerful. And they said, "Really? We'll take that $100." And on this day, you'll see what happens. Well, the day comes and goes, nothing happens. So the next day, Dr. Alberto goes out to dinner with his friends and he's laughing about it and he says, "Ah, they thought that they could do something to me. I mean, really, who are these people are in the jungles and and saying they have the kind of powers they do?" and he leaves the meal to go home and he gets stricken and he's so sick he's quite sure he's dying and [clears throat] the phone rings and he picks it up and it is these coranderos these medicine men and women who are in the jungle and they say oh Alberto we never got around to it yesterday but we just did how are you doing and he says oh my god oh my god oh my god whatever he did tell him to stop please tell him to stop it right now and I'll pay him to stop it. And that's what happened. They took this terrible curse off of him and um that they could actually go into the matrix of his body and change what was happening. Then they put him back together again because he had good work to do. So I know this is true what you're saying and I've heard other stories from other great healers about what bruhas can do and you don't want to mess with dark energy ever. >> You don't want to play with it. No. Absolutely. >> I kept thinking about you too and I was wondering about the woman, the hostess. Did she know what happened? Did she know the interaction? Did she know the outcome? And was she there for you at all? I mean, why didn't she intercept and say, "Hey, you know, that's that's a friend or a colleague. Take this off. Take this onus off of her." Now, >> um that's a really I'm going to share something I've never ever said spoken about. Um this woman's uh I came with her daughter and she was jealous and resentful that her daughter invited me to come with her and it was convenient for her to move me out of the way so she could have all the oneonone with her daughter. It's the only motivation. But there was something deeper. It was like, who is this white girl that comes to, you know, is talking about these crystal caves when my, you know, we all know about these. We've known about them forever, right? The Tara, they know about these crystal caves. And it only really came out in 2000, right? When the miners from the Panolas mine out of Mexico City, that this massive mining company, yeah, brought it to the world. So, I don't think they were very happy about that. I think they wanted to keep that secret and sacred >> and it was now exposed to the world. And when I first came out with these images, people are going, "Who are you? You're a liar. You've used Photoshop. Remember that program Photoshop?" Um, they, you know, nobody believed the size of these. It I mean, it was just astonishing. And I think so I think there was a lot of negative energy towards you know I think being um naive and talking about these like oh look at this you know like this pretty bling. I'm just you know I'm just talking about how naive and young I was in this whole thing. I hadn't matured. I didn't have my butt kicked like I have now after all these years. Oh my god. No. So, thank you for that. Thank you for that piece. That makes a lot of sense. And um yeah, my heart really went out to that younger version of you. >> So, we've got the deserts military history. We we've got UFO reports. We've got underground crystals that form this extraordinary external mystery. But your research also awaken a much more intimate mystery, your own experiences. >> Yeah. tell us about what your first childhood contact memory is that returned to you. >> I will tell you also I want to say something to all your listeners. There's a lot of people who've been contacted a lot of great compassion and empathy. We've we've we've seen them. A lot of people are still have a lot of PTSD, but I will say there is positive contact and there's negative contact. There's both. When I was a child um in the 50s, the hybridization program that was going on with the grays was was fullon um living next to Fort Bliss uh military base and then White Sands Missile Range. you know, project paperclipip, they brought verer von braonn wervon braonn to work on the V2 missile and rockets in white sands missile range. So that was fullon going on in the early late 40s early 50s. We know now that there was a uh an agreement made with a prior administration and I don't believe it was Eisenhower. I think it was Truman >> that they would uh exchange um for exotic material biological tissue. Let's just put it that way with humans. I don't think that I don't know how to say this. I think like a lot of contact uh contactees I think the people that are have been contacted and you've had your memory wiped you don't believe it really happened to you that's part of it's like a denial like uh you know you don't really know what happened but here's the story I'm four to five years old I'm living in El Paso down in Lakeside down by the by the uh it's a kind of a new subdivision in the 50s and my sister and I share the same room. She was five and a half years older than me. But just like um um all kind [clears throat] one of Ste uh Stephen Spielberg's movies um it's where you look out and it looks like a full moon out there but it's it's light and then it's the anti-gravitational craft or whatever because everything started moving you know like wind coming in the trees and the illumination or the shadows of the of the trees were coming into uh my window and I got up from my bed and I walked walked over to the window sill and there were um all I can remember are two grays, one taller, one shorter that were looking at me and I was looking at them. >> That's what I have. And that memory was wiped. I don't remember everything. But here's something interesting. My sister died in 2018 of um of breast cancer and her daughter and I are very close and all my life she never mentioned it to me but she told her daughter that yeah they used to come and get her all the time. She never told me this. >> Oh my gosh. >> Now big >> it was big and I'll tell you how I knew later. So do you remember the series taken by Steven Spielberg? It's 10 episodes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, for some reason, I'm finishing up this 20 years of research last year and I'm watching Taken and Dakota Fanning, if you remember that, I hate to be a spoiler of that, but I'm going to do it. Um, on that ranch house uh porch, all these people came to see her because they knew it was truth. And she uh deactivated those implants and all those people. Do you remember that? And everybody started bleeding out of their nose. >> Mhm. >> Well, oh my god, I started to remember I had the worst nose bleeds. I had blood clots at four years old. That that I mean they were long, like eight inches long, these blood clots that would come out of my nose and I had massive migraines. And um these are two indicators of uh alien implants. I really believe it. Now later they were taken. I know it was taken out but if it if if they located it, it was here. It's in the pineal right here. But those nose bleeds and migraines as a little girl is absolutely insane. So I really got triggered last year. And that's when it started to flood back to me about, oh my god, I didn't just make this up. It it really happened. Something happened. I did have an encounter. I had a contact. You and your sister, that is incredible. And do you feel like these because that's a very tender age, four years old. Yeah. >> Do you think these contact experiences influence your invitation or your path to enter these caves to do the work you've done? Write the book you've written. >> Um yeah, I kind of I have this I have this philosophy that I actually created this life before I I came. You know, I created the reality that this was I was going to be born to this family. I was going to live in this certain place that um I believe like many of us uh we are the we are the star seeds the indigos especially this age if you're born in the 50s early 60s and before the 50s these were indigo children star seeds that had their six strand activated the color of indigo and that we were here to be frequency holders all right for these younger rainbow children, crystal children to really take it and and develop it further. But we were on the front line. We were the ones that had the hardest assignment and that was to awaken up everyone around us to some degree. So there was a lot of punishment for that. So I think I think when I was a child that I already knew I was here to bring a lot of light that and and and shed that light and give an example, a geological example of mother earth and that these crystals have been used to transmit more than just what I'm talking about. But I think they've been here for a very long time. And I think they've monitored humanity in their Earth seedings for several of those. I think we're in our what, our fifth our fifth seating, maybe extinct, as Bruce Lipton would say. >> We're going into our sixth extinction. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's something that I brought with me and I was to do. >> Yeah, I think so, too. And if humanity, Leela, learned that these crystals really contain and transmit intelligence, how would that change our relationship with Earth? How would that change our relationship with the cosmos? I think I think what it would do was it would help us to open our minds to understand that we have been um I I hate to say, you know, lied to, but we have a we have a forbidden history. We have an ancient history that we don't even know about Tartaria, you know, or the mud floods. We don't we just people I think it opens us up to start questioning and start to research and say the mysteries here on Earth are they've been here forever. these big huge epochs of time that would indicate visitations um experiments uh earth seedings of uh humanity that have come and gone. Um, there's a lot here that can open us up and understand that this life is not our only life. That I truly believe we're multi-dimensional and it's concurrently happening in many dimensions. It's not just this one little human body here. It's our consciousness and the whole the whole game is to evolve that consciousness. So people are brought like placeholders. I've been a placeholder like frequency like you are. You're bringing light and information and awareness to the people so that you understand that this is a unity play. This is about us coming back into unity and know that we are all one. That's so beautiful. Thank you for saying that. That really means a lot to me and that feels very hopeful. You are incredible, my dear. Contact in the Chihuahuan Desert by Leela Hutchinson and tell us how can we find you? What have you got going on? Where can people find your book? >> Okay, I'd love to. Um, so my website is um the crystalgiants.com. I'm also on social media um somewhat with Instagram and a little bit on Facebook. Um what's coming up for me is this walking in two worlds. I think my next um uh my next presentation will be the Texas Jewelers Association in October. So I will be speaking on the scientific side. It won't be any of this weaving that we do because they don't know about any of that. That's not what I'm there for. After that, uh there's a collaboration. And do you know Vivian Chaveet? Of course. >> Very well. Yes. She was a client for many years. >> Oh, that's wonderful. She and I are going to collaborate. I'm um I'm going to do a workshop in a retreat out in White Sands and working on um the planetary crystal grid. So, she and I are going to do that. She we got together last month or two months ago, July, and decided that we're going to do something out there with a just a few people. um and start working on the land with the lay lines and grid lines. And this is going to connect to Trinity, Debbie. It's going to be it's about the atomic energy that was the bomb that was unleashed and about mitigating that radiation through conscious intention. That's what I want to do. >> So, I'm going to see her in Sedona. Um and we're going to mention this and see who's going to be interested. People can reach me at leastahoo.com. It's plural, both gems and leela. Leela's gems. And um if they're interested, they could put New Mexico on there. Um we haven't formulated it yet. We're just seeing about the interest in it right now. So that's coming up in uh um 2027 and some other things as well. And um that's about it right now for now. And I hope there's lots more and I hope there's many platforms I'm going to see you on my dear and Leela here at the end. This is Dare to Dream. What do you next? Dare to dream future dreams and goals. Wow. I think um wow that's huge. [laughter] What do I dare to dream about? Um I'm going to write my third book and it's going to be more of the galactic connection to the Solonite Crystals. I think that's coming. That'll be the third in my trilogy, so to speak. Um, again, I think something as important as these giant selonite crystals that are connected to consciousness and the planetary grid. Uh, we need more people working on that. We need on Gaia's behalf, we're part of her, she's part of us, right? >> And it's also really the message is about unity. So that is my hope and my dream that we come together and realize how powerful we are together. All right? In the unity of one that we can make a big difference and we we will we're going to shift. I know we're going to shift into a different reality if if we have more of a consensus and we agree that hey this is what it's about. We're waking up and remembering our true origins and our true connection to source. Thank you so much. Again, you can find her at the crystalgiants.com and her book is available, highly recommended. Next week on the Dare to Dream Show, my guest is Lisa Wetszel, who is a channel for the Accashic Records and Light Language. You do not want to miss that conversation. And if today's episode expanded your understanding of crystals, contact hidden mysteries of our planet, go ahead right now, take a moment and subscribe to Dare to Dream. Like this episode, and share it with somebody. We thank you so much for joining us today. And remember also, we need you. Dare to dream.