GENZ BADDIE INTERVIEW

And on today's episode of the public square, Jenzi says Kenya may have changed generations but not its politics. to some pointy president. So the fact that Kenyans ignored that and still believed oh this guy can be good. Oh better but we even heard Kenyans saying better the devil we know better as if we know. >> She also believes that we can't keep on pointing fingers without checking ourselves. >> Let's not ignore the political history. don't elect that person and still elected him >> on who actually knows how to communicate with Kenyans better. She made her choice. I'm waiting for come presidential debate >> and on let's just say the trust isn't there. >> One thing that didn't sit right with me when it comes to >> it's him telling us that I need 3 weeks >> to decide my political stand with everything that's going on in this country. You don't even need a minute to think about your political stand. You don't need you just need a split secondu. You understand? That did didn't sit right with me at all. Hello and welcome to the public square. My name is Miss Betty and our guest today is a teacher. But besides that, she is a civic educator. She's a political activist. She's a social media personality and she represents all the bodies. This is the one and only Jenz. >> Thank you so much. Betty, thank you for having me. Yes. >> Very important. >> The first time I came across your your name, I was like bad. Serious. First of all, how did you decide to call yourself Jenz? So it was on this day mand >> and I remember I went for the first I didn't go for the first mandate 18 I went for the next one. So before the next one Tuesday like that Tuesday before Tuesdays I had never ever recorded a video of me speaking and posted it >> really. >> Yeah lip sync dancing on social media. >> So that day of YouTube it was such a funny video. I was like no no no Tuesday I think I'll send you the video [laughter] after that video it trended. So there was this one page I think the Kenyan vigilante shows how she >> was like bad. >> What do you mean? >> Your name did not exist before 2024. >> No, before social media platforms. >> Really? >> Yep. >> Wow. So that's how you got the name Jenz. >> Yes. because now it feels like you represent the bodies when it comes to the political industry aspect. How do you feel about it? Does it come with some pressure? Oh, definitely definitely because Kenyans being Kenyans a lot of Kenyans are balls. [laughter] The pressure is there definitely but I also realized h responsibility comes with the name again. Yeah. Because the platform that came with the name >> Yeah. >> responsibility is also there. The pressure. >> So when did you become interested in politics? >> I way before you see in 2022 I voted my first time 2022 and I remember at that time I was not big on social media. So the only people you would have those conversations with are my friends. So I remember this one elections and I remember one of my friends then was supporting support because those are two different two different personalities and we argued and argued and I think that's when my passion for politics. [laughter] So then and there at that point I was actively teaching crowds badies my know you were in school I was an active teacher. Okay. >> In primary or high school. Okay. Oh, high school. Yeah. >> Ah. Oh, really? >> Yes. I'm a mathematics and chemistry teacher. Matics. Wow. Yes, ma'am. Okay. This knowledge didn't come from No. >> Thanks. your spirit b even more like we need to be this passionate about our country. >> This was now the 24th one. >> Yeah. 18 19 20th >> or the 20th one. Ah okay. And you've never looked back from then onwards? >> Nope. >> So do you want to say that you gained traction during that mand time and now your stars shine? >> Yeah. I was like, "Oh, Kenyans want to listen to my voice." >> Yeah. >> So, I think I started now doing the updates. Yeah. Yeah. >> And just like that >> sometimes when you look at the system especially the political system I question so many things a lot >> one day is a nobody the next day she has a name she's trending all over the next day she's supporting a presidential aspirant and she's out to the public by the way because I don't know why everyone serious And I I also tried so much you know with the politics in the country politics intimidation abductions I tried so much not to do local politics I tried in fact I think I have only done two videos about the governor in auru >> I I refrain up until today I don't like it because >> my family is there my mother is there my brothers are there >> on the entire country >> but again politics of intimidations and so I [clears throat] really refrain. So I guess politics [laughter] let me ask you now why did you finally decide to rally behind Sona? Because finally after you know all these things happened why did you finally rally behind him? Did he call you? Did he decide I see your vocal and I need people like you behind me? >> So, one thing I want Kenyans to really really do when it comes to leadership and our political leaders especially is judge their consistency how consistent have they been in leadership. And that's why I I've told you before we started there's some names I've mentioned and I've told me I don't trust that one because how consistent has he been? Has he sat down with the oppressor? Has he dined with the oppressor? Then it's a no. You understand? I think of all the people who are who want that presidential seat. He's the only person who has been consistent to stand with and for the people because even when was alive his boss he would must go. Even when he was drafting the 10point agenda, he must go. You understand? So, he stood for the people when we needed him. And I remember the first time I met him. You stood with us when the whole regime was against us. So we will stand with you because it was just a lot of things happening but yeah he stood with us. >> So I decided as a young person and as a who was on the streets that day that I will stand with him >> consistently. So, and I remember the first time I said go and I remember he told him to his face. So he didn't he didn't reach out to me. >> Yeah. But we went to the office. >> That's that's it. >> So you see when someone hears when you you know when you try you champion behind him is because you believe in him. But also there's the question of what is this person going to do? are we is just championing uh because he seemed to want to be the side of the people but what is he going to do so when he probably becomes president what is that one first thing tangible he will do reduce government expenditure >> [laughter] >> because he has said it a lot of times and I remember that question and what is the first thing he will do and how much will it cost and he was like why do Kenyans have this mentality that anything a leader does for you needs to cost money >> because the first thing I'll do >> is reduce government expenditure the way they flaunt to the 300,000 that will stop. So that's the first thing my president will do. >> How easy or how hard is that? Because you see also h we've seen leaders when they try to cut budgets or they try not to case and casea from meu she has been you know back and forth with his MPs her MPs rather in because now they claim Is it hard to actually cut that expenditure and everyone is going to agree with you? >> Because again, it's not just the president that makes those decisions. question you who is the keeper of this country >> it's the president >> definitely so I start from the bottom but at times we can start FROM THE TOP YOU UNDERSTAND if we get an upright man I believe it will trickle down because again I always use this example corrupt because if the man at the top is corrupt. Who am I? >> You understand? So I feel like >> Yeah. I believe it's promises. Sometimes we, you know, we the most we can do a manifesto is a promise. Yeah. And R made promises and told people I will do this, I will do that. And they actually believed him. And when you listen to this another politician, I believe she's a woman rep and she really believed in what was at the time. They would actually go around telling people that my president is going to deliver and they really believed in him. I cannot believe I was also lied to. You know, that's what she's saying right now. Do you think you could get to a point where you' say Sona also lied to us? Again as I said judge the leader on his consistency leadership you understand and this is why I'm saying don't ignore the political background the political history rather of a politician you understand some minister scandals to some appointed deputy president scandals. So the fact that Kenyans ignored that and still believed oh this guy can be good. Oh better we even had Kenyans saying better the devil we know better the we know. So they elected him knowing he's a knowing he's a devil. You understand? Let's not Kenyans. Wow wow wow. >> It doesn't end wrong. It starts wrong. >> That's the point. Let's not ignore the political history. Don't elect that person. Scandles and still the people of still elected him. I don't understand how we explained that. That's what he said. So the moment someone brings money whether they corrupt or they stole that money to bring to them. >> But can I tell you something? There's hope. And I'll tell you what did they do? They were given money. They were given shiny things. They were given shoes. They were given mattresses. Gas. We can go on and on. Tanks, pipes, pesa, and they still voted with their heads. So I believe there's hope because either way You understand bad governance and I believe right now every Kenyan bad governance You've studied all these politicians. Among all those influential politicians, who can you not stand because of what they stand for? >> William R. >> Okay. [laughter] [clears throat] But then let me tell you, I've come to realize you see with these politicians and their names, their names are not just for them. >> Yeah. >> When I say William R, I mean him and every other William RS. Yeah. >> Everyone who has ever done whatever he has done, everyone who has looted public funds is a William. Everyone who has killed people for his own personal gain is a William R. Anyone who has lied to the people of Kenya is a William R. So if the shoe fits, wear it. >> I am a millennial >> and I have interacted >> millennial body. [laughter] I am a millennial but I like to interact a lot with Jenz's because I personally feel I am very young at heart. Yeah. So I like your ideologies as Jenz's. Yeah. But also I because I resonate with the older generation as well. I have also interacted with them. So I like to hear where do they stand you know and the older generation you can still tell there's some aspects of tribalism. But when it comes to Gen Z's, they really do not care who is the president. They really don't care. Where you stand as a Gen Z, do you feel the older generation understands your ideology as Gen Z's as a whole? >> I don't think they do because they disregard it a lot. >> A lot. Okay. We need we need to deconstruct it completely. They disregard us a lot. A lot. The stone that the builders rejected, that stone will become the cornerstone. You wait and see. For the first time was breached by young people. So today because politics is a dirty game. That's what I believe. If today was to join R's government and support R would you still rally behind him? >> No. No because because then he he goes against everything I know he stands for >> explain himself on why he is doing that >> aana he won't explain himself to me I can never never ever standing for the people by the people how do you stand for the people when you're with the person who oppresses the people >> so you according to you still stand by the fact that Larry Mado was extremely to the extremist >> his childhood friends because it's such a sensitive topic. The power of the oppressor solely depends on the consent of the oppressed. You understand? And I honestly believe presence is submission. >> But he was not sub he was not in the presence of the president. >> He was he was in the presence of the president and smiled at the president. He was like, >> "So let me ask youresident something to do with health, something like that." And I and I remember I took out my camera and recorded a video if you met him. The president here resign. >> Are you sure? >> You would do that. >> I would. Why wouldn't I though? That's what I stand. That's what I truly believe in. So for instance, let's say you you had a daughter of his is is doing a wedding and you guys were friends back in the days. I will not come. >> Definitely with definitely why you why you giving him consent again. Malaysia >> let's talk about some of the trending things that are you know happening right now in the country let's talk about the proposed amendment bill yeah internet you know that is something that has just come up the other day in short as per how you use your internet >> I saw you You you you spoke about it Koko but I know people might not really know the kind of impact this is going to have on us >> long term especially as users of the internet. Take us through that. >> So in [clears throat] simple terms 1500 I think. Okay. Anyways, >> so what it will do one internet will be very expensive very expensive 50 a few hours, five internet. It will be expensive. And one thing I want Kenyans to know, Kenya is ranked among the country that consumes information from the internet. So is it a bid by the government to try and make sure Kenyans don't get information because again it's not I don't it's such a bad thing. You guys were there last weekend? I was not there. Oh, you were not there. [laughter] Really? From the main roads to the roads are good. You just diverted good roads. Yeah, the good roads. >> They had to use the PA roots. So what was the most shocking thing >> um that you would say you know was experienced in Homer County that's something we probably didn't even know before. I think the fact that it's not as developed as we would think because their governor is in bed with the government. You know, you would think now that you probably because a lot of people from that region have the mentality that when you have the presidency, your area is developed because you have the presidency. But again, the other day I asked them then what was the purpose of devolution? What did devolution come to do? Because the evolution came so that resources can be brought closer to home. You might not have access to the president Betty, but you can have access to your MCA. You might not have access to the president, but you can have access to your MP. That was the purpose of devolution to bring resources closer to home. You understand? So, a lot of people from that m Kenya is really developed because they have they've they've had presidency for this amount of time. But again, the other day I looked at the county allocations and I was surprised. Home has always received a lot of funds and more funds than some counties in the Mount Kenya region. And so I wonder where is that money going to? And this is where another point of civic education comes in where I'll tell Kenyans especially our young people because a lot of young people are politically ignorant or rather were politically ignorant. At least if I ask I know three years ago if I asked her the same question she wouldn't have known you know so I want Kenyans to know every position in that paper it's it's as important as the presidency it's very important but at the same time you understand because all these things add up to where you live, your local leaders are as important as the national leaders. >> So let's hold our local leaders accountable. >> So when I for the record um the budget I saw 2025 2026 financial year for Homa County was 9.6 million rather. So I wonder is the problem the national government, the county government or both? Because she also came up to defend that the reason it's not developed is because of this and this and this and this. So is the problem the national government or is it the county government itself? >> H >> in this case in this regime as we stand right now depends in some cases both national government and county government in some cases national government alone. National government is a problem across the country. So if it's a problem in one county, it's a problem in other counties. Why am I saying this? Because >> when the president was campaigning, there's something the president promised functions functions that the national government, one of one among the devolved functions health. But when the president was campaigning, he said that level one to level four hospitals will be free of charge. Remember the president is a national figure and falls under the national government. But it's also important to note that level one to level four hospitals are devolved functions. They fall under the county government. So a Kenyan would ask who should I blame? And you understand that's where the confusion comes in because the president promised it not the governor. >> Yeah. >> You understand? BUT AGAIN IT FALLS under the governor. >> It depends. But in Home and the state of roads you know PA roots most of them are not for the national government national highways Nairobi highway that's for the national government Nairobi Kisumu highway national government but from function again >> for please hold your local leaders accountable to 2026 has been getting more MONEY THAN MURANGA BUT MURANGA is more developed than Homa. Why? >> The question I actually asked myself when I saw the governor you know share those sentiments that they have not been getting you know better treatment. My question was um uh Gladis Wanga they all joined broad-based so I believe right now they are in government and then again we saw some good things were done in Kalao with a very short period of time so how come home hasn't received the same treatment that could have been done inalao that was my question so I thought it's not even a matter of time it's probably I don't know >> but again when the opposition apparently when the apparent opposition Okay. >> But also the people of should know that money that's given forism is also money that should be developing their county. It's also important for Kenyans to know that. >> Let's talk about Goonism. We've normalized political violence and we've also seen the blame game has been on both ends. The government says h for instance gashagua has been blamed for violence. Yeah. And then also gi comes and says m has been planning goons to attack me. Yeah. So there's a lot of blame game and to me it feels like Kenyans are lost in the middle. They don't know who is actually doing this. You guys are part of a political campaign like whatever happened in you guys are defending yourself. There's also people who are there because they announced that they don't want you guys to come on ground uh the next day. So we have normalized this political violence. Do you think it's going to work or it's going to turn us to be even worse as a country? >> I like the fact that you've used the word we because I want us to change this narrative. A lot of people ism. We really really blame politicians. I'm not saying they're not to blame and I'm not taking the blame from them. But again, as I always say, You understand? And so it falls down to Kenyans again. You are still an adult of sin mind will still falls under your your your jurisdiction. You can still say I will eat this money and I won't harm that person or just stand on your ground and say I don't even want that money. Why would I hurt a fellow Kenyan? >> You understand these politicians we see them once in in a month in 6 months if if we are lucky. Why would you beat up someone you see daily because of a politician? I don't understand. >> I like telling Kenyans at the end of the day the responsibility is on us. If we question our leaders, we also need to question as individuals because it goes down to us at the end of the day. I remember I had a conversation with just the other day not being responsible. just anywhere and we have seen videos of people just throwing trash everywhere. So even as Kenyans we have a responsibility. I agree with you >> definitely. >> Do you think tribalism is going to end with Jenz's and also Gashaga has been has been called a tribal politician. Do you agree that he is tribal? His politics are tribal. >> I think he's from an age where politics were like that. Mhm. >> He's from an age where Kenyan politics worked from those lines, tribal lines. >> And so what I don't understand really is why him >> because every politician his age works in politics that way. >> Every politician his age. We've seen the president himself go to his area and speak challenging. We've never heard him titled tribal. You understand? the other day and almost all of them were challenging. We didn't see people label the president tribal. So I think he's just practicing the politics he is used to because in his age and his political history even politics. [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> Is he tribal? Definitely. >> Is he alone? Not at all. Not at all. So will tribalism end with Jenz? >> Before you answer me about the Jenz, he's very influential. You know that, right? He is quite influential. So do you think those tribal politics are going to affect how we make our decisions because he's literally >> talking to you know to on a national level he was the deputy president. So he's known countrywide. Do you think that influence that he has can affect people to just get into still tribalism >> people his age? >> Okay. >> Because again the beginning of the end is genesis. It might not end with us but it is the beginning of the end. One thing I believe the general will squash it completely. I believe that generation it tribalism but the gen is we are at the beginning of it because I know a few who are not tribal. I also know a few who are tribal. You understand? So it's the beginning of the end with politics is strategic. Betty in politics timing is everything. When you say something, how you say it, where you say it is very very strategic politically. So I think one thing that makes very influential is the timing. appraising. People are so tired and mad at the president. It was so timely for him. That's what makes him so influential. Again, the Kenyan voter is an emotional voter. Most Kenyan voters are not logical voters. We vote with our emotions. We are like, you understand? So, he also wrote on the emotions of Kenyans. It worked for him. Good for him. But I'll tell you this, if today he goes back to R, that's when you'll know influence is not influence. >> Yeah. >> I sort of believe politicians are not always for the people. A percentage of let's say in to a between if you're given a if you're given a percentage of politicians that you think are for the people and not for the system, what percentage would you say we have in Kenya? 10 15%. >> Yeah. The ones that are for the people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz I believe I politicians Franci said that the young people should protect the country of course referring to Sona. What do you have to say for to him? >> I just want to ask him what's the work of a leader? We always say that the man is the leader or the head of the family. I'm conversant. >> The Bible says that the work of a man is to protect. >> Yeah. >> So the work of a leader is to >> to lead >> and to protect. again the new crop of leaders the difference generation generations of leaders you know but there's someone who said we will only get a new generation of leaders when we get a new generation of voters >> and do I feel like we've gotten the new generation of voters definitely so It's time for the new generation of leaders. >> Yeah. Let me ask because also of course at once he says that he also has some backing points that he wants to back his statement with. Uh for example you know they say is young so in terms of experience bad and then also they say you know in terms of you know the deals that you supposed to make when it comes to uh the government running. I remember when he was asked what he's going to do the people who are capable of doing those things. Yeah. So there's that aspect of networks age and the experience and just having these connections with these people because these people have also built these connections over decades. So do you think he really stands a chance to these people who've been running this for over the time? >> I think he does. Again, a new generation of leaders with a new generation of voters. When they talk about experience, Stephan always says this. What experience do you need to know that killing someone's child is a is a bad thing? What experience do you need to know that looting public funds is bad? You understand? Some of these things are common human decency. You don't need any experience, Betty, to know that paying someone to beat up someone is wrong. You don't need experience to know morals. common sense. What network do you need to know a professional? I'm a teacher of mathematics and chemistry. You don't need a network to know me. You need my papers. You just tell me you deserve this job. You understand? And I think something that my presidential candidate really wants to bring back to this country meritocracy. What is meritocracy? Meito is giving someone a responsibility on merit. If you've realized with Kenyan politics, especially with this regime, loyalty, you've been loyal to me. You really really campaigned for me. Even if you're not learned to quai ministry, you understand that's how you end up with someone who has done hospitality as a cabinet secretary of roads. Do you want to tell me we didn't have an engineer who could be a cabinet secretary of roads? That's an example I've given cabinet secretary hospitality. But you get messology and sanitation. You understand? Some things are as common sense. class again. Common sense >> age. Let's go back to the constitution. How old should the president be? Is he old enough to be president? more of a quick fire. >> Okay. >> What's the biggest thing you think Sona gets wrong? >> Thinking that he's senator. [clears throat] [laughter] >> I like that. Sifuna versus R. In one sentence, who do you think communicates better? I'm waiting for presidential debate. Who would win a election campaign? >> Azi election campaign. >> Yeah, >> I think Babuifa versus Colono. Who has better political instincts? [laughter] political instincts. [laughter] >> Mati, who would you trust more with the country? >> Sifuna versus Gashagua. Who understands the Kenyan political game better >> game? Uhhuh. I would give it to Gashagua because again it's sad. It is honestly sad that how that that that's how our politics work, but that's how they work. >> Yeah. >> So, I have seen people say that, you know, there's some people have said Colono should be deputized by Sona, would you go for that? If that was the case, would you still be behind Stifa? >> Ah, definitely 100% definitely. But again, >> okay, I don't want to throw shade >> because I know I know if stays on course >> Yeah. >> If Colono stays on course, I I know I believe and I know Sona will stay on course. So if Colono stays on course, I believe we will work with him. So I don't want to throw any shade. >> I definitely still rally behind Sona. >> Yeah. M >> well let's talk about he was he has been a people's favorite for a while and then for finance billi he has joined Janna he has joined the opposition officially do you trust him >> not an inch >> why >> not an inch and he he has dined with the oppressor severally. You sit and blame. >> But the second thing maybe one thing that didn't sit right with me when it comes to >> it's him telling us that I need 3 weeks >> to decide my political stand with everything that's going on in this country. You don't even need a minute to think about your political stand. You don't need you just need a split secondu you understand that did didn't sit right with me at all. I also didn't understand his [snorts] pressure yesterday. Was he launching his presidential bid because if he is that's another big big big red flag. It's another very big red flag. >> He said he sat with all these presidential potential aspirants. sat down with him hints here and there also that party >> maybe he has had a renew of mind he has changed his mind maybe has decided to now stick to this >> trust he he's he's working for his people and again that's one thing I really really love about the Mont Kenya region people is that we really really hold our leaders accountable. nationally hated not a good person but I'll tell you in his constituency he will be reelected because he has worked for those people you understand the same I'll applaud him for that I'll give him that he has worked for the people of kiharu but national politics and everything he has done nationally including not voting and abstaining to vote when it's it's mostly needed because I'll tell you this you can't sweat it debate reject do this but when it comes and that's why I always say because that's when it matters matter what will matter is next year 10th of August that's when it will matter will I show up that day because if I don't you understand so I honestly don't understand tactic of rejecting debating, doing whatever, but when it comes to the most crucial step, which is voting, he's nowhere to be found. >> MP has joined the DCP. He was booed when he was trying to announce that during a rally. Do not ignore the political history. Let's not ignore. Let Kenyans not ignore. >> So you say people are not allowed to have change of mind. >> Finance bill. That's how you end up. Kenyans are not serious voters to a point where we end up with class four levers as members of parliament. We end up with people who don't even have degrees as members of parliament because there you need someone who can sit down, look at the document and read hundreds of thousands of people. You can't be ignorant. You can't have someone home home. Let's not forget. >> Yeah. You're in the same political camp with Babu and Sona and you see there's this narrative that has been going around that the more becomes popular the mo doesn't sit well with Babuino. Is that something that you have seen as you guys interact cannot stand to see getting more popular than him? where Mimi have sat down with Babu and this if there's anything Babu always says is that in the political field >> the only thing that makes people jealous and makes people not want to work together is something called conflicting interests >> those two don't have conflicting interest why would there be any jealousy >> jealousy jealous They don't have interest. >> Yeah, >> is overrated. Do you agree or disagree? And why? [laughter] [clears throat] That's overrated. Like maybe overrated. No, he's not overrated. >> Why? >> Because everything we say about him is true. >> Yeah. He has stood for the people. He has stood by the people. >> He's a cons he's been a consistent leader. You know, it's not many leaders or many politicians. You'll see them. stand up standing up for but it's not many politicians you'll see them question their bosses >> not not many of them you understand and I also believe that >> leadership and true sty loyalty per say but leadership is being able to even disagree with your side >> when truth demands it and Suna has done that. >> He has even stood against his side when the truth and when the people of Kenya wanted him to do so. >> Yeah. >> So do you think if before we go back to our quickfire do you think if the opposition all of them don't support Sona is he still going to get this? >> Why wouldn't they not support him? If they didn't if they at some point they were bought off and joined because politics is a game anything. If they were, we will just go on the ballot. Gashu, Mati, we want to, you know, we all opposition wants to come together so that they can kick out R. But what if they don't agree to the top candidates and they scatter? >> Do you think is still going to get it? and again that's why we'll put Kenyans to test and see if really let's go back to our politicians will eventually become exactly like the politicians they hate. Yes or no? >> No. >> Why? [sighs] >> Oh, yes and no. We are the beginning of the end.ribal. Yes. They will be like those politicians we hate. They would be like those politicians we hit. >> So do you agree that Kenyan politics right now is still tribal? The bigger percentage of >> the bigger definitely the bigger percentage. Definitely. Is is that uh is that something we're able to fight? >> Yeah. The beginning of the end again. So it's possible. I believe I I think the next two three elections I it won't be linesion the next two are easily manipulated politically. >> No not easily. They are manipulated but not easily. >> But their agenda is to manipulate. So eventually >> they are manipulated but easily it's not easy. >> Social media influencers should stay out of politics. I have seen people tell comedians politics. >> They shouldn't because again as I said bad governance In fact, I don't know if you remember to say it. [laughter] You understand? So they shouldn't but again they should also be very careful >> because when I influenc for a reason by by saying you are an influencer it means you influence a certain group of people to do things the same way you do them and influencing doesn't stop when it comes to politics you will also influence those people politically and that's why I'm saying presency submission to this extent there's a certain of group uh there's a certain group Larry influences the certain group Ben influences and I'll tell you this my presidential candidate always says this either one of them there are always three three types of people in a campaign one person who is pro you there's this second person who will never support you. And there's this that person who needs convincing. There's that person tell me more. You understand? And this person in the political aspect should stay. That's the point. 80,000 followers 8000 20,000 for hate. But they still need more convincing to be your follower follower. You understand? I will never ever be comfortable with that idea. Yeah. Oh, he's just a person besides influencing. He's just a person besides politics. Oh, she's just a girl. Says nothing like that. >> At this point, everything is political. Everything. >> There's nothing that's not political. Everything is political. So, influencers should be very careful. Again, know you are influencing a certain group of people. Oh, there's something he said that he has agreed >> about it's something I think the the is it what said or is it the president what he had said there's something that was passed that he agreed anyway he got quite a backlash on that one so would you support a politician and still hold them accountable for example Definitely something. Would you come out publicly? >> Definitely. And again, >> here to see that. >> And again, that's the good thing with these young leaders. >> You see, I'll tell you this. >> As young as I am, as naive as people probably think I am, these leaders still would want to know what I have to say. They still would want to see. You understand? And that's the difference because these older ones it's either way or the highway. >> What does Betty have to say about A B C and D? >> Yeah, >> I would hold him accountable definitely. >> Now my last question, forget Sifuna, forget all these other politicians. If you were given a chance to lead this country, what is that one thing that you're passionate so much about that you'd first work on the on it? >> Education because I'm a teacher. >> Okay. >> And the fact that I've seen it firsthand. >> The fact that I've seen your 100 bob capation. The fact that I've seen children not eat lunch in school. Education definitely e because I feel like it's the basis of every other thing in this country. Without education, we wouldn't have healthcare because we wouldn't have doctors. Without education, we wouldn't have good roads because we wouldn't have engineers. Without education, it's it's it's the root of everything. >> You understand? And I believe if we have good education, we will have good engineers. We will have good roads. If we have good education, we'll have good doctors, lots of them. So we'll have good medical care. You understand? Education. >> We have all those doctors, but they're not at work. >> That's the point. Again, >> we have all these students who have graduated with degrees, but they're not working. >> That's that's on the >> I don't trust our education system because I personally do not. I feel like it does not fit who we are supposed to be as Africans. I feel like it needs to be abolished completely and we come up with something that works for us. I feel like we get bombarded by a lot of cramming and a lot of information that I do not even use to date. So, as a teacher, do you trust that education system? >> I did. I don't trust CBE. >> Oh, really? That's even worse. >> I don't trust CBE, but I trusted 844. >> Really? >> I thought CBE was better because I thought 844 is really a waste of people's >> I'll tell you this. This is why I'm saying I don't trust CB. I was I've been a teacher CB. CBC CBC one the government was not well prepared for it. It wasn't prepared for that transition. >> Yeah. [clears throat] chemistry but yeah at least for business high school you understand so how do we maintain the quality of education even when a teacher doesn't know what she's teaching. >> Yeah. So, but I feel like if it's well implemented [clears throat] >> Yeah. Right from the beginning. >> From the beginning. The the teachers the quality of education. >> Yeah, >> CBC would probably work. >> But right now I >> because I feel like the reason at least I thought CBC was a better system is because it was encouraging kids to do what they can do easily. Yeah, that is the only reason I I was championing for it. But as a teacher come you have such sentiments then it means we have a lot to go when it comes to our education system. >> The quality the quality of education why we would have a young child going to school at 5:00 a.m. with a very big bag on the back to do what in class one is a child on the road at 5:00 a.m. >> Why are Buddhas waking up at 3:00 a.m.? >> Why are they waking up at 3:00 a.m.? I I feel like the intention of the education system is just to bombard us with a lot of information. Don't ignore the history. History is good. >> History is good. I feel like people should also be encouraged to concentrate on what they love best. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was a lover of communication, languages, but maths and physics like what you would do that what you're good at that those were my worst subjects. >> [clears throat] >> I think my worst was history. >> Yeah. >> But not was heroes and yet they were sellouts. They were not heroes. I thinkitution. Yeah, we should learn it. history 24. Why would you guys do that? What do you guys mean? >> Luke's gospel >> chapter 1 to 24 again. Set books. Set books. We scrap off history as a subject. >> We rewrite our own history if we want to. Bombarding with information already history as it is. World War II. Why do we have to learn? What do you mean? >> We already had it. It's just >> Exactly. So that history that needs to be scrapped off. People like Nelson Mandela, people say he was a sellout. He wasn't really a hero like like he was portrayed. And that's because they were not on the same page. So history to come must go history. >> Yeah. Because would you get your point people like Rex? Of course they'll be called rebellion. Rebellious. Yeah. They were accused of the rebellion. Exactly. >> Yeah. So we need to take charge. Anyway, thank you. [laughter] >> Thank you. >> Thank you for having me >> for sharing your educating us on what you know and what you keep researching. Keep doing the lot's work. There are people who are probably, you know, every morning they swipe up to see what you you're telling them and updating them. You're a media personality in your own way and in your own platform as fresh as you are. So keep doing the Lord's work. >> Thank you so much. I don't got it. >> But then let me tell you this my last words. >> I feel like this is personal. It's a personal opinion. And I've said personal. It's personal to me. Yeah, it's personal. What? This is personal. This is not from Linda. It's not from It's me. I feel like, and I want you to correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like we should treat politics like any other career. >> You see, like the same way a doctor, you've served the nation, go and rest. You've served. I feel like we should treat politics the same way so that we don't have people. We need to have a retirement plan for politicians. >> I agree. >> Retirement plan that we need to have it. >> I agree. People should rest when it's it's their time. >> And I feel like we also need a maximum number of terms for a person maximum number of terms for the governor. There are two a person to say a person can't serve more than three terms. You understand? >> Because otherwise these politicians it will never be enough. Never be enough. We've had someone who has stolen. You get me? We need to treat politics like any other home. I agree. Thank you. >> All right, guys. That was Jenzi right here at the public square. Thank you for sharing your insightful comments. H we look forward to what you're going to do for this country as well. We will hold you accountable as well. >> Definitely. Please do. our sour. Thank you so much for watching the public square. My name is Miss Betty Kenji. Until next time, it's goodbye from us.