Video summary
The FACE Consortium Business Guide version 3.1 serves as a strategic marketing tool designed to articulate the value proposition of the Future Airborne Capability Environment (FACE) approach for both government executives and industry leaders. Developed by the FACE Business Working Group, this guide aims to break vendor lock-in in aviation software systems by promoting portability, reuse, and interoperability through open standards. The presentation clarifies that while Modular Open Systems Approach (MOSA) is a mandatory requirement with five broad principles, FACE acts as a specific, actionable framework within that larger ecosystem. It provides the technical practices and business processes necessary to fulfill MOSA requirements effectively, thereby reducing sustainment costs which often account for over 90% of total program expenses.
The guide addresses several common misconceptions regarding the FACE approach, such as the false belief that all software must be fully conformant or that it guarantees airworthiness qualification; instead, conformance is a spectrum with milestones leading to full status without requiring unlimited data rights. For industry participants, adopting FACE offers significant benefits including access to a public registry for advertising compliant products, facilitating rapid technology insertion, and aligning with customer roadmaps. By building software modularly from the start, organizations may incur higher initial costs but avoid the exorbitant rework expenses associated with poor quality or non-modular designs later in the lifecycle, ultimately enhancing productivity and profit margins through third-party vetting of their engineering processes.
For government entities, FACE provides substantial value by helping Program Executive Offices meet legal mandates found in National Defense Authorization Acts that require open architecture to prevent vendor lock-in across platforms like Apache helicopters and unmanned systems. The approach enables the acquisition of enterprise-wide capabilities rather than isolated solutions for specific aircraft types, fostering a competitive marketplace where smaller software suppliers can participate alongside major original equipment manufacturers. Although immediate metrics on risk reduction are not yet available due to the long-term nature of modular investments, early adoption allows agencies to reap benefits in sustainment and obsolescence management later in the program lifecycle, ensuring that warfighters receive innovative capabilities faster while maintaining rigorous safety standards through established airworthiness guides rather than relying solely on FACE for certification.
The webinar concluded with a Q&A session highlighting that FACE conformance partially supports MOSA compliance within its specific computing environment but does not automatically certify all external software as fully modular. The Consortium is open to international participation from five countries, including the United Kingdom and Canada, though it remains primarily US-focused while collaborating on cross-border case studies. Distinct from frameworks like CMMI which focus heavily on process modeling, FACE integrates over 60 different open standards to define wire protocols and message flows across system segments. The presenters confirmed that recordings and slide decks would be made available shortly for registered attendees, reinforcing the guide's role as a critical resource for navigating modern defense acquisition strategies in an era of evolving threats and strict regulatory requirements.
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good morning afternoon evening everyone
depending upon where you are in the
world and welcome to this latest in uh
the series of open group technical uh
webinars today we're looking at the face
business guide version
3.1 before we get started today however
I'll just take you for a couple of
issues in terms of how you use the WebEx
platform if you're not used to it uh we
have a couple of means uh whereby you
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other and the presenters today the first
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today we will deal with those questions
at the end of the webinar so please uh
bear with us but after the presentation
we'll have time for Q&A and we'll cover
the questions that come in come in
during the Q&A Channel okay so uh it's
just leaves me to hand over to the
presenters today I'd like to introduce
you to uh Jason York Jason is uh the
face bwg chair and he's senior associate
of strategic Ventures Consulting Group
and also Alex Redi who is the face bwg
Vice chair principal software engineer
for Sierra Nevada Corporation so
gentlemen if I'd ask you please come on
video and uh go ahead with the
presentation thank you very
much great welcome everyone thanks for
joining and John can you make me the
presenter so I can advance the slide
please actually you are already
Alex okay my bad I clicked the wrong
button sorry guys so uh well uh my name
is Alex Ray and it's my honor and
privilege to be the bwg that stands for
business working group Vice chair that
means um Jason and I serve the
Consortium in uh you know looking at all
the business related uh objectives that
the Consortium has and trying to help
guide the Consortium uh to uh improve in
those regards so a little bit about me
is I'm a principal engineer at snc uh
but before then I got my bachelor's
Master's and PhD in computer science I
did my dissertation on the F18 hit and
the acrobatic Maneuvers that they do so
it's kind of a Aviation software kind of
blend there and um and then after that I
moved into Academia where I was a
professor at CMU Central Michigan
University uh where I formed the max lab
Michigan aviation center for simulations
where we basically worked on AI and try
and imitate all the cool things that you
guys already do in the military because
we admire you guys so much I do anyway
and I was just imitation is the largest
form of flattery it said and literally
we're just trying to build models that
imitate all the Maneuvers and pilotage
that you guys already do on a daily
basis um so uh that's a little bit about
me I'm really looking forward some good
good discussions today thanks again for
joining good morning I'm H Jason York uh
I support peo
Aviation um I I I won't read through my
you know my bio um just just to quickly
uh you know recap by early uh career and
education I was a software developer I
know that scares some people uh because
I I moved into the business side you
know quite a few years ago um I like I
said I support peo Aviation we do a good
bit of uh Outreach tracking uh mosa and
open system architecture guide
and help our project offices and our um
uh product offices you know address that
guidance and and a big piece of that is
the uh the face technical standard and
we're going to talk to you about that
today all right uh the business working
group uh Alex and I recently put forward
and had the face steering committee
approve a char Char so here is our
latest Charter uh you'll notice it's
kind of broken into three pieces develop
and communicate acquisition guidance
Define policy and roles and
responsibilities of the face conformance
program and then as everybody has a
charter to do inside the face Consortium
Pro promote the adoption of the face
approach here's some activities that we
do we as Alex mentioned uh we work with
other working groups and standing
committees as a key business state
stakeholder uh we convene our source our
uh configuration control board and
participate in others as necessary and
then we oversee our subcommittees and
and I'll present those next chart
please here are our subcommittees and uh
as you as you probably uh noticed we had
our bwg Charter in three pieces these
map directly to our subcommittees that
we have uh at the top is alphabetically
is acquisition guidance um the three
products uh the documents that they
produce is the business guide that we're
going to talk about today the face
contract guide and we'll give a quick
advertisement uh in the near future
probably four or six weeks out uh
somewhere in that time frame we're going
to do a webinar on the face contract
guide version 3.1 and then we are
working on the program manager getting
started guide and that that intent is to
address the three acquisition support
gaps and the IP considerations that
that's you know kind kind of lacking um
you know right now obviously the
business guide is a very valuable
resource the contract guide is a
resource but we feel like there's three
additional areas helping them uh
formulate their acquisition strategy
help them defend open architecture
requirements during execution and then
obviously very important and the the
majority of the cost help and offer some
guidance in sustainment area um the next
uh subcommittee is conformance policy
this is a very active uh subcommittee we
we just recently reformed that if you
notice they've got quite a lot of
responsibilities uh we have um um roles
in the uh conformance program and we
really focus on the roles and resp
responsibilities and kind of operation
the twg you know they really handle the
technical aspects and we handle a lot
more of the agreements and the uh and
the roles and making sure that we've got
those clearly defined and then our
Outreach subcommittee has been um an an
established subcommittee for many many
years in the working group and they are
developing a face marketing plan uh I
know we just completed a review for that
and uh that that will be an internal
document to really promote the face
Consortium members as ambassadors to do
Outreach and uh get get information
about the face approach out there next
chart So today we're going to focus and
we're going to talk about the face
business guide version 3.1 the subtitle
is provides guidance and value
proposition and business case for the
face approach in a nutshell this is a
marketing tool this is a marketing tool
intended for executives both on the
government side and Industry side to
share information about the face
approach and why it is valuable not not
only the industry but but the government
uh this is freely Avail available uh
through the open group uh publication
site there's a link at the bottom and
the topics that we're going to cover
today and Alex is doing the heavy
lifting here he he is going to cover the
bulk of these topics you know the face
approach and and most of principles the
common misconceptions and then he's
going to cover the value to Industry and
then I'll jump back in and cover the
value to the
government next
slide perfect so I'll cover this so
um the we're going to talk a little bit
about the face approach I'm going to
highlight the two key goals that the
face approach contains and then we'll
get into some more details in later
slides so historically embeded Aviation
software systems have been developed
procured and implemented with platform
specific designs and that results in
typy coupled systems with unique
enclosed interfaces that inhibit
crossplatform reuse and adversely affect
interoperability between those systems
AKA what we describe as vendor lock and
it's a huge problem that costs the
government a lot of money and they want
a solution to that they want to to avoid
that they want to have a competitive
marketplace where not just the original
equipment manufacturer can support the
enduring flea and so face is not
necessarily the one and only answer to
that but it is a very solid approach uh
to towards breaking vendor lock um the
face approach has two specific goals
increase the affordability of
capabilities and improve time to field
um to the war fighter so specifically uh
in order to achieve those two goals it's
not just technical there are also
business objectives so the phase
approach is defined as an approach that
promotes software portability and reuse
that is comprised of business processes
technical practices and open software
standards um and the uh all three of
those ingredients are kind of are are
absolutely needed uh in order to create
an environment where you are eliminating
or at least reducing that vendor lock
problem so uh with that said uh we'll
get into mosa uh so want to uh so first
I'll Define what mosa and face means uh
for those of you who may not know so
face is future Airborne capability
environment it is a framework
essentially for Aviation software mosa
is much larger so view mosa as this big
circle face would be a nugget within the
larger Circle mosa is modular open
systems approach um it was uh in it's be
it's it's it's a requirement it's a
program requirement Jason will talk
about more that more of the more about
that later uh but there are five
principles to Mosa that you should know
um they are Ena establishing an enabling
environment employing modular design uh
designating key interfaces using Open
Standards and then finally having some
sort of conformant
certification um and the face approach
uh has all five of those we have a
conformance program we utilize many
different Open Standards I I can't even
you see it says 60 I I've read through
the document I can't even count so I
guess there's at least 60 uh o other
Open Standards reference within the face
standard um we designate K interfaces
through the system segments uh we employ
modular design uh which is talked a
little bit about in the air worthiness
guide and we establish an air enabling
environment which is the CE part of face
Computing
environment uh so really what this slide
is here to show you is that mosa is it's
not optional it's a requirement mosa is
this huge uh thing it has these five
principles these five principles aren't
necessarily super specific and
actionable uh to you as the government
or to you as the industry integrator but
face is face has specific requirements
that you can execute on it's a smaller
fulfillment of the larger m of
principle all right uh so next slide uh
we just want to uh talk about some
common misconceptions uh because I'm
sure you've heard of face before but uh
may not know exact ly what face uh well
we just want to eliminate some common
misconceptions so I'm going to go into
three in detail there are six here but
uh I think we'll just talk about three
in a little bit DET a little bit higher
detail so uh the first is that all
platform software has to be face
conformant uh that's not true the face
conformance program is actually kind of
like a spectrum where at the very end
you can claim face conformance but uh
there are um you know there are stages
that you achieve there are little
Milestones that you achieve until you
have that full face conformance so no
not all platform software has to be face
conformant uh second is requires that
the face approach requires unlimited
data rights um this is not true um if
you were to look at the uh the way that
uh the conformance program works is one
of the Milestones is the CTS the
conformance test suite and that does not
require a specific data right strategy
um instead it allows you as the uh
developer
or the vendor the integrator or whatever
it is the widget that you're developing
um you can maintain rights and tweak and
dial in the level of data rights that
you're going to share with the
government and the tools that we already
have in the Computing environment in
face uh will allow you to do that uh the
next misconception is that it only
applies to Future systems um that's no
that's uh part of the breaking V
breaking vendor lock is uh applicable to
more than just future systems um the
next common misconception is that it
guarantees or it prevents airworthiness
qualification face is not really doing
anything there it's very limited in what
it does for you in airworthiness and if
you want more details about that please
check out the airworthiness guide uh
they have a new version actually that
we're uh releasing the Consortium is
releasing here pretty shortly but the
summary of the current guide is this uh
uh do 178 has requirements that you're a
ation platform do certain things like
you have to have a defined architecture
um you have to do like worse case
execution time analysis face is not
doing any of those things for you what
face will do is you can site face as a
rigorous architecture that you've
applied in your Aviation platform it's
not going to you know satisfy all the
other things that d178 requires of you
for airworthiness so um that's a common
misconception be aware of that so their
their air worthiness is a huge topic and
face is not preventing or guaranteeing
that you get qualified um uh next bullet
point is that it ensures or inhibits
performance um we've done our best to uh
use uh best practices in code
development and software development in
face but it's ultimately up to you it's
up to me as the integrator to uh
actually execute on those engineering
best practices and follow them through
face isn't going to compel you to any
performance metric uh and then finally
that it's cost and schedule prohibitive
and that's more of a government bullet
point I guess it's both government
industry but um the the counterargument
here is if you if you build a software
modularly uh it it may take you more
time at the beginning but it'll save you
more time by the time by the end because
if you build it cheaply and quality is
low then the rework costs will be
extremely high and everyone knows in
software especially Aviation software
want something certified the rework
costs are incredibly high so it's better
to do it right the first time therefore
it's not necessarily cost and schedule
prohibitive uh because we're not seeing
the costs that we're saving at the End
by um employing a modular approach in
the beginning
so all right and then my final slide
here is the Val I'm going to discuss
here the face approach and its value to
Industry um so there are three kind of
categories that the business guide
divides this into uh so the first is
customer requirements uh where we're
reinforcing what we said before where
face is fulfilling uh mosa requirements
it's it's you know fulfilling the five
requirements of mosa um it supports the
government's goal to achieve mosa
principles that's that's law now and
facilitates Rapid technology insertion
and aligns with customer products and
road maps uh the second is regarding
revenue and market share so we have
something uh called the face
registry where when you become fully
face conformant you can add yourself to
this public face registry and advertise
your product that it's a fully face
conformant uh uoc or unit unit of
conformance that's the way we denote our
uh units of software in face um and that
is a potential new market for you as as
an industry as as someone in Industry so
that is a way to grow your business um
and then finally productivity and profit
um you're increasing your value you're
increasing your value to your your
stakeholders primarily the government uh
by fulfilling their mosa requirements
number one uh and then number two uh by
making it if you go through the full
conformance program and uh get added to
the registry you're making it incredibly
obvious to other people who might
integrate your software as a vendor that
you are you've gone through the process
uh and uh you've been vetted by a third
party so um yeah those are the three
values to Industry um I'm going to hand
it over to Jason now who's going to talk
in more detail about the value to
government thank you Alex and that that
was a terrific rundown on on some some
pretty heavy topics so excellent job uh
want to talk a little bit about the
value to the government and this uh this
first one here policies and mandates I
could probably drop anchor and talk
about this for for two hours uh but I
I'll keep it at a very high level so the
the government is
um it has to follow title 10an that that
is acquisition um you know guidance
that's that's part of law uh for the
armed services so when you hear us talk
about the National Defense authorization
acts you know EV every year Congress
passes you know these acts and it has
certain aspects of it and last several
years there's been you know a good bit
um of guidance and and mosa 15 pretty
much it said uh mosa is coming and the
ndaa for 17 it made it for major weapon
systems and then the ndaa for 21 it it's
kind of groundbreaking uh it extended it
to modular systems and modular system
interfaces so and also had requirements
for program Executive offices and
program managers
that program managers have to specify
the government desired modularity either
in their acquisition strategy or
referenced and their acquisition
strategy so we are seeing this shift um
you know with with
mosa um one of the things that mosa is
so important and the a in mosa is
approach we want to follow an approach
to realize an open architecture
specifically an open systems
architecture because that is kind of the
the center kind of the key piece to
promote competition to prevent vendor
lock and then help programs meet their
objectives so for for the government
mosa is so important and and the face
approach the face technical standard the
ud udl standard um if you notice the
definition of face approach it says
software standards plural we H we have
two of them sometimes udl kind of get
short chain but but that's that's also a
standard that that we use uh open free
freely available so as you see the
policies and mandates that we have to
follow face really helps us on the on
the software side you know for sure and
it really extends Beyond Aviation um
I've I've told people over the years we
probably need to to figure out a way to
drop the F because it's not future it's
here it's now and it's not restricted
just to Aviation uh we've seen it in
many domains ground ground vehicles um
the oil industry oil refinery automotive
industry you name it it's a it's a good
uh software reference architecture with
a very robust uh
ecosystem so this is a a true asset that
the government uses we put face
requirements um you know on in
solicitations on uh you know contracts
that that we're you know seeking those
products the uoc's from industry um we
have
limited time and we have limited money
that's why
affordability is is so key for us so if
you condition the input and you have uh
modular components and you have open
interfaces we get the benefit on the
backside in sustainment which you know
some Studies have shown is over 90% of
the cost you know in in programs so
we're we're trying to get out in front
of it uh early in the acquisition
process where we can reap the benefits
on the
backside the threats that our war
Fighters are facing they're they're
evolving uh on a daily basis so we have
to speed our time to to field and this
you know reusability and the
infrastructure that we're putting in
place you know with the face approach
and and the peace Parts align with what
the government you know needs to do it
um we we want to have new and Innovative
capabilities and this goes hand inand
with preventing vendor lock and really
empowering uh the software marketplace
where smaller uh software suppliers can
participate and and we um we we make
this effort and and try to do that not
only through the face approach but on
the government side and and a lot of the
uh policy guidance and law that's came
out because we want Enterprise
Solutions we don't want to buy you know
a capability for Apache and a capability
you know for uas and uh for
Flora um and integrate those in
independently we want to buy one
capability that we can reuse across the
Enterprise and is the aduring fleet like
Apache and Blackhawk and and shinook you
know um we have obsolescence issues we
have that uh Strate rically developed
you know capability that we can achieve
strategic reuse on to really help in
obsolescence and drive down the cost so
this has tremendous value uh to to the
government and and we really uh embrace
the face approach and because it it's so
well aligned to Mosa and the law that we
have to
follow next
slide okay uh
that that was uh you know a pretty high
level pretty quick overview uh thank
y'all for attending and I think we'll
open it up uh for questions
now thank you Jason and thank you Alex
um yeah we've had a few questions come
in um so we'll just start at the top
here um does face compliance infer mosa
compliance who wants to take that
one so it it's it's really conformance
so um that that's when when we refer to
you know face we talk about face
conformance and the you know the title
10 language that principle number five
certify conformance so it's really
conformance instead of uh
compliance uh the the answer is
partially so obviously the government um
has a broader scope as as Alex mentioned
you know mo mosa is is much larger but
in the soft domain face really helps um
the government achieve those five
principles uh in in in that scope so
um hopefully that that addressed the
question thank you Jason yeah if I could
add something here and thanks thanks for
the question Larry so uh uh So within if
here's here's what I recommend uh you go
take a look at so there's something
called the face segment diagram where
outlines all the different phase
segments like operating system Transport
Services platform specific uh platform
component um even within that diagram
describing all of the face ecosystem it
still shows that there are things that
will exist in software that's outside of
that face ecosystem so uh highlighting
what Jason said face is a wonderful tool
that is guiding your organization
towards mosa compliance
and it within it itself as a Computing
environment does fulfill all fosa
requirements but just because your face
conform it may not necessarily mean that
all your software is you know complying
with the five principles of mosa so I
don't know if that makes sense if that
helps but there are things that exist
that outside your face Computing
environment that you know that also have
to be looked at thanks for the question
thanks Alex um okay next question also
from Larry actually uh metrics are there
any metrics on program success and risk
reduction with face versus programs not
employing
face yeah Larry thank you for that
question um and and um glad uh you're
attended today I I know Larry supports
MDA missile defense agency so um you
know very excited to continue the
discussion you know with you on this you
specifically ask about metric
so we are looking at mosa metrics uh
which which is diff which is difficult
uh a lot of times you know metrics in
them in themselves are difficult but the
uh the large scope uh of mosa to
get metrics that are quantifiable
actionable and and beneficial so I'm I'm
try I'm trying to lead that effort in
our group at you know peo Aviation um
got some ideas um so so as far as
metrics
specifically uh for you
know face conformance software versus
not face you know um conformant software
I I will tell you and um obviously this
is a you know kind of a very short
webinar but you can have face software
running on the same partition uh running
on the same system as nonface software
and in actuality I'm I'm going to say
this and I I will I will make sure I'm
not talking about forward and backwards
uh compatibility but you can have
different software developed for
different additions of the face
technical standard running on the same
system so um and we're really we're
really focused on high value software
intended for reuse when we talk about
the face approach and not all software
kind of fits in that bucket you may have
you
platform specific that that you're only
going to use it for this system and and
this configuration well that's probably
not a good candidate to be um you know
face conformant you could you could do
that but we have on the te on the
technical side we have the ability to to
mix face conformant software and and
nonface software and I know I've kind of
skirted your metrics question but I I'll
be happy to engage with you uh in more
more details
later I'd like to add to that a little
bit and thanks for the question uh Larry
so uh there's a government
accountability office report 20 released
in 2023 called the weapon system annual
assessment it may have come from your
department it sounds like you work in
weapon systems and I uh a colleague and
I read that report and what I thought
was interesting about it was that it
cited three key challenges and I these
don't have to do with face I'm going to
broaden your question a little bit to
Mosa and then we'll come back and talk a
little bit about face but I want to read
to you literally word for word what it
said here so it says uh programs that
reported implementing uh Osa as a
modular open systems approach cited
challenges such as integrating systems
into a mosa that were not developed
using aosa okay so things outside of the
Computing environment that weren't
developed to be modular had to be
integrated in modular system finding
sufficient resources to devote to
planning for which systems should be
modular okay so it's an investment that
was not necessarily the expectation of
the people that were there right back to
Jason's Point um anytime we do something
modular any time we want to do something
right you want to build a house right
you got to you know it's an investment
you think about the design a little bit
more you're not just throwing up the
cheapest materials you can find you're
thinking about quality you're thinking
about the endurance of that home uh you
know know it takes longer it costs more
up front but it saves you more of the
long run in the repairs and then finally
the third bullet point from the
government accountability office was
obtaining sufficient documentation from
contractors to allow the work uh with
new vendors in the future which is kind
of the vendor lock problem um so here's
how I view that uh government
accountability uh office's report
so mosa is Law and we have to do it uh
face is not law but fa is satisfying the
five principles of mosa do we have any
specific metrics for face no because the
reason why is we're not going to see
metrics on the first program the first
program that you you know that you turn
that you that where you take your
existing uh software component and uh
make it face conformant is going to be
expensive it it's expensive to uh build
things in a modular way it's expensive
to conform with all the requirements of
face up front but but uh down the road
the idea is now you have a new iteration
you have a new version of you know the
Huey or whatever and that now
maintaining upgrading or taking that
capability and porting it is now cheaper
because it's within the Computing
environment that's been uh very well
thought out by this Consortium so um to
Circle back to your question we don't
have good metrics right now on success
and risk reduction with face because the
thing is you're not going to see it on a
on a number on platform number one we're
going to see the benefits over platform
2 3 4 five that's when we'll really see
the payoff and it's a long game here but
it's uh it's one worth doing it's it's
one that's really kind of law now with
mosa so I hope that answered your
question thanks Alex um we have another
question for lar before we move on to to
final question are there any programs in
the missile or air defense domain using
face
so I I can give a little bit of insight
to that I know uh peo missiles in space
uh you know head headquartered At
Redstone Arsenal here in
Huntsville they have looked at it they
are they are interested in it they are
also interested in Sosa system open
systems approach which um you know
utilizes um face for the software piece
um I know uh Colonel Tate he is PM stair
I met with him about a year ago and uh
weal we talked about face and and Sosa
and he was interested in in getting
involved in that I haven't followed back
up with his office and and see how much
progress they they make there uh but in
in the discussions you know I had with
him and and folks in his office they
definitely see the value and they
understand this is a great uh reference
software uh software reference
architecture that that they can use and
it it is applicable to the to missile
defense thanks Jason let me just clarify
that that's the sensor open systems
architecture which is a different
consortial um but obviously it links in
a lot with face and you guys sort of
meet together as well um people from
both of those consortia um Alex I don't
know if you wanted to add anything to
that if not I'll move on to the next
question okay thank you I have nothing
to add to that one okay um Gerald was
put in a couple of questions here
whether you they're linked or not we you
can figure it out but um first one is is
face uh used outside of the US um and uh
he also adds how different from the
other software from the other Frameworks
like cmmi wherein software development
has been popular so how different I
guess is face from other
Frameworks I can I can oh sorry go for
it Jason oh Alex I was gonna say I can
kind of take the first part of that
question if you want to take the second
part of that
question so uh we we do know that the
face Consortium is open to International
um Li limited to five countries and we
have participation especially from the
UK um I have a little bit of insight
many years ago we had some science and
technology programs uh the US was
bringing uh the face reference
architecture uh different countries uh
were bringing other architectures we we
got together we did uh you know some
case studies we did some you know
demonstrations um there there was a lot
of you know cross talk um I haven't
followed up with them in recent years
but I do know there was interest uh you
know several years ago and
um we do we do have some International
participation in the
Consortium hi Gerald thanks for the
question uh I want to add to Jason's
thing just so we know uh just so you
have a little more context sorry uh so
beginning of
2023 I think it was elect it was like
voted in the end of 2022 but it became
effective at beginning of
2023 uh it's the Canada US
UK and Australia I think are all allowed
to be face members um so and we have had
participation at our face-to-face events
from in we've had International
participation I've met my Canadian
counterparts I've met people from the UK
um who are you know their their kind of
approach is called pyramid and they've
talked about face and uh so just to
reinforce a little bit about what Jason
was saying earlier I uh we we we don't
have super great visibility
internationally uh we are very us
focused um but uh we we definitely are
interacting with our International
counterparts um to answer the second
part of your question so you asked uh
how is face different from the other
Frameworks like cmmi wherein software
development has been made popular uh so
cmmi is capability maturity model
integration and it's basically a uh well
I I guess I'll just summarize it like
this cmmi is very much about modeling
like in Cameo uh of your process Bas is
we do have a modeling component so we
are very similar to cmmi in that way but
we're more than that so for example if
you were to look at the face segment
diagram uh we describe how messages are
flowing through the transport service
segment to different other segments how
we would interface through a sensor
through the iio services segment um so
we're doing more than and then we're
specifying on The Wire protocols
and um things more detailed things than
necessarily kind of like the large scale
models so I don't know if that answers
your question but that's kind of how
face is different we have models like
cmmi but we also use those 60 other
standards um so it's a lot broader in
that sense and uh yeah I hope that
answers your
question great thank you Alex just
clarification on that the so the
consultive membership is um limited to
the inl 5 person which is Australia
Canada in New Zealand UK and the US so
um okay thank you oh just New Zealand
yeah sorry new um last minute questions
come in here um oh it's actually a
comment from Alicia I believe the UK mud
is releasing a paper that shows the
relationship between the TS and pyramid
Bas Consortium has a number of member
organizations that develop products with
both pyramid and face requirement so
that's just uh further information there
okay um thank you Jason thank you Alex
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