Everything Is the AI Bet: You Won’t Believe How Much Vanishes If It All Breaks
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The current economic landscape is increasingly defined by an overwhelming concentration on artificial intelligence, creating a scenario where virtually every sector of the global economy is tethered to its success. Major memory chip manufacturers alone have driven a significant portion of recent stock market returns, illustrating how deeply utilities, real estate, and construction industries are now forced to align with AI valuations. This intense focus acts as a financial "hoover," sucking up capital, attention, and energy to the point where traditional diversification strategies lose their effectiveness; if the AI trade falters, these non-AI companies will likely fall in lockstep rather than serving as protective buffers. Consequently, the wealth generated by recent tech booms has dispersed into the broader economy through luxury goods and services, meaning that a potential crash would disproportionately impact middle-class households who now hold their primary net worth in stocks instead of real estate.
The scale of potential financial damage is staggering, with experts estimating that a market correction could erase between $20 trillion and $33 trillion in value, a figure far exceeding the destruction caused by the dot-com bubble. This massive loss would trigger a severe contraction in consumer spending as household wealth becomes the primary driver of economic activity, while AI infrastructure spending currently accounts for roughly 90% of recent US economic growth. The risks are compounded by hidden financial exposures, such as big tech companies burying approximately $3 trillion in off-balance-sheet commitments like leases and chip purchases within their footnotes, alongside opaque lending practices in the private credit market that mirror the dangers of the 2008 crisis. Historical precedents, including the British railway mania and the dot-com era, demonstrate how transformative technologies can lead to massive overinvestment where investors suffer significant losses despite the underlying technology's long-term viability, as seen when Amazon stock fell 90% during its crash before taking a decade to recover.
Ultimately, the central lesson is the critical distinction between believing in the reality of useful technology and making sound investment timing decisions; being right about a company's future does not protect against buying at inflated prices or assuming all tech stocks move together. Investors are urged to avoid emotional trading driven by momentum and instead practice true diversification by holding uncorrelated, stable assets such as European value stocks or utilities that can provide security if the AI boom falters. Rather than exiting the market entirely, the advice is to rebalance portfolios into a more protective posture that prioritizes long-term retirement security over exciting dinner party stories, ensuring that wealth preservation remains the primary goal in an economy where everything seems to be an "AI bet."
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This video is all about how much damage
will it do if AI breaks? And the answer
is
a lot. So, strap in.
>> Back in May, Micron and SK Hynix, two
memory chip companies, produced 17% of
the entire global stock market's return
for the month. Not 17% of the chip
sector, 17% of everything. Every listed
company in every country added together.
That's from a report by Acadian Asset
Management. The global market they're
measuring is the MSCI All Country World
Index.
>> That's a banger stat, though. I feel
like we didn't give that enough
attention.
>> No, it it's wild that
when you start looking at the world
market,
everything is the AI bet.
>> Mhm.
>> Th- This is the the background part of
this. Everything is the AI bet. The very
thing that he's going to walk people
through is there's no escape.
And given that there's no escape, what
on earth do you do?
>> Thousands of stocks across dozens of
countries, and Micron and SK Hynix are
about 1% of it. So, for every dollar the
global market rose in May, about 17
cents of it came from just those two
stocks. This raises the awkward
question. If two chip stocks that most
people on the street have never heard
of, it's not like it's Apple and Google,
can haul the entire planet's equity
markets upwards, what happens to your
portfolio on the way back down? So,
today we're going to look at how exposed
ordinary investors are to the AI trade,
why the usual places to hide may not be
working anymore, and roughly how much
money would disappear if the whole thing
fell apart. Now, let me clarify
something up front, as we're going to
spend a while looking at what happens if
this all goes wrong. There's no
consensus that it is going to all go
wrong. Plenty of smart people think that
we're standing at the start of an
enormous boom, that AI is a real
technology that's going to reshape the
economy and eventually more than justify
the money being poured into it. And they
might well be right. In fact, you have
to assume that most of the people
involved believe exactly that because
it's the only thing that explains what
they're doing.
>> Okay, he's wrong about that. It is not
the only thing that explains what
they're doing. I think that they do
believe that they're right, there's no
doubt, but if you ask them why they
believe that they're right. And I'm not
talking about the the top of the top of
the top guys that, you know, are
managing billions of dollars. These are
guys with huge teams that do an insane
amount of research, have a stated
philosophy and principle into why they
invest. And so they'll be able to
they'll be able to explain like why are
we accepting a much higher cap Cape
ratio,
why we're accepting price earnings
ratios that are very different. They'll
they'll have a reason for it. But the
average investor, I assure you, is doing
everything based on emotion. Remember,
the human brain is not optimized for
logic, the human brain is optimized for
feeling. You cannot get yourself to make
a decision. This is literal. I don't
mean this figuratively or as an
exaggeration. You literally cannot make
a decision if the the emotion centers of
your brain have been sufficiently
damaged. People need the emotion to push
them forward. Now, the vast majority of
humanity on the vast majority of the
decisions they make are not using logic
in any part of the chain except at the
end if ever.
Where they're making their decisions is
it it's vibes, it feels right. And when
you understand what is happening in the
market right now, the entire world is
making one bet on AI. You almost can't
get out of it because AI is sucking in
all of the money. Once people understand
money isn't um it's not like it you
can't make more, we make more all the
time. But there is a finite amount of
money at any one time slashing around
the system. So when something is an an
absolute hoover for that capital, it
affects everything else. It affects what
companies are making money. It affects
who can raise money. It affects who can
get loans. It affects attention and
excitement. All of these things end up
impacting what companies survive and
which companies fail. So they are just
sucking up all this money. And so even
if you're trying to get into something
ancillary, everything right now is
cascading some way off of that. You
You're spending money on squishies.
You're spending money on squishies
because there's money floating around
the system based on all the people
making money off AI. That's almost
literally true. That one's a little
tongue in cheek, but yo, we're very very
close to that. So you get all of this
being sucked up. It creates all of this
cultural attention. Creates all of this
energy. There's this narrative around
AI. People are reasoning emotionally.
They get caught up in the emotion. And
so they start doing things that they're
not doing because they have a a first
principle set of logic that they built
up and they've got a really tight
explainable investment hypothesis. It's
just uh it can only go up. So that that
is the very thing that scares the life
out of me. And he's going to cover this
more, so I'll wait till we get to that
part to talk about, you know, the
historical loop that repeats here.
But there's a historical loop. And it
requires that people not be being
logical. It requires that they are
acting emotionally.
>> This is why investors are putting money
in at these valuations. It's why the
tech CEOs are committing hundreds of
billions of dollars to data centers. No
one spends like this unless they're
convinced that the payoff is going to be
huge.
>> False. They spend like that because
there's that that is the major reason. I
don't I don't want to take that away
from him. But uh the reality is that
people get caught up in the momentum
where you'll have a fund, look at
Michael Burry, dissolved his fund. Now,
why did he dissolve it? Why not just
tell the people that um he's got the
capital from that he's investing on
behalf of? Why not just tell them, "Hey
guys, bear with me. Uh I have a
different thesis in this. You'll see
it'll play out over time." What ends up
happening is people like that get fired,
people take their money away, they uh
get their reputations hurt, and so um
when you see somebody like Michael Burry
say, "I no longer understand what the
market is valuing," which is a
paraphrase, but is very close to a
quote, and then dissolve the fund and
get out, it's because they understand
how people will get sucked into
investing in things that don't match
their strategy because the people that
are investing money with them, many of
whom are just reasoning by emotion, are
pressuring them, are going to hold them
accountable to missing out on the
dollars in the short term, totally
getting rid of their risk profile. Like,
by way of full disclosure about what I'm
doing, I'm de-risking right now. I'm not
like, "Yo, this is going to last
forever." It might. No one should do
something just because I'm doing it, but
my response is very similar to a Michael
Burry, where it's like, "I can't follow
the logic that people are following." I
see the sweep of emotion, but I can't
follow the logic. So, please don't think
that even like the investing class that
really know what they're doing aren't
under a lot of emotional pressure to
capture the gains that everybody else is
capturing.
>> The optimists, to be really clear,
aren't a fringe. They are the majority.
>> True.
>> And their optimism is the reason all of
this exists in the first place.
>> True.
>> So, I'm not here to tell you the crash
is coming. Nobody knows that, and anyone
who says that they do is guessing.
>> Facts. Facts. Facts. Remember, no e-
even a Ray Dalio, who's spent an ungodly
amount of money building out all the
like war games of how this could go, has
all the history in the universe fed into
AI, plus it's like a thousand
researchers. I mean, it's it's really a
lot. Even he at the end of the day
admits, "I think I'm right, but how do I
know I'm right?" His entire method of
investing is predicated on I cannot see
the future clearly.
>> In fact, later on we'll look at some of
the confident but wrong predictions from
the past. What this video is about is
trying to estimate the downside risk. If
the bulls are right, everything works
out fine and we'll all look back and
wonder what all the fuss was about. But,
if the bears are right, even if some of
this turns out to be a bubble, it's
worth looking at the estimates of how
much is actually at stake. Particularly
>> Spoiler alert. The number is scary.
We'll get there, but holy
Jesus.
>> When the party's still on. So,
diversification, it's the one thing in
finance everybody agrees is a good idea.
Investors treat the word like a magical
incantation, one which can protect them
from market crashes, inflation, and poor
decision-making. You spread your money
across lots of different things so that
when one of them blows up, the others
keep your return steady. It's the
closest the industry has to a free
lunch.
>> Okay, so on that I will remind myself
and everybody else that actually isn't
uh true in reality. It certainly is that
people use that like an incantation, but
Warren Buffett summed it up the best and
he said, um diversification is insurance
against ignorance. So, basically, the
only reason you diversify is because
you're too dumb to place concentrated
bets and that is true. So, every time
you hear me talk about you've got to
diversify against the um economic forces
that are at play, what I am tacitly
admitting is I'm too dumb, too
undereducated, uh I lack uh
too much I I lack information on where
this is all likely to go and therefore
I'm not willing to place like these
really concentrated bets. But somebody
like Warren Buffett is willing to place
a small number of concentrated bets. I
forget what the number is but I'm almost
certain it's less than 20. It might be
less than 10. Warren Buffett has made
the vast vast vast vast vast majority of
his wealth off of a very small handful
of trades and that is true for most
people. It's you're going to get a bunch
of like minor blips, wins, losses, you
know, across the board but it's going to
be one or two gigantic things that end
up covering everything else. And so um
I think diversification is wise for even
I mean hedge funds it's in the name but
I think diversification is wise because
so few people are ever going to have
enough money to see even small enough
fraction of where this could go to place
concentrated bets. And so if you're not
in that elite class with all the
researchers trading on AI
through fiber optic cable that's as
close to the trading desk as possible so
that your trades get ahead of everybody
else's. Like if you don't understand how
Jane Street could front run you and do
some of the crazy they do like
you should diversify.
So that becomes it it it is out of
ignorance. Embrace your ignorance,
diversify across economic forces.
That's way to play the game. But the big
guys they're trying to concentrate their
bets.
>> And for most of history it has worked. A
couple of years ago the big worry
amongst those who worry for a living was
sector concentration in the S&P 500. The
worry that seven companies the
magnificent seven had grown so large
that the index everyone thought of as
the American stock market was really
just seven tech stocks in a trench coat.
>> We should really be looking at
antitrust. I haven't looked at this
closely.
Maybe there's nothing to do, but God, I
doubt it. There's got to be something,
man. Letting companies get that big is
very risky at a lot of levels.
>> The concern has since grown. It's no
longer seven stocks that we have to
worry about, but a whole sector, and a
sector which famously doesn't stay in
its lane.
AI started out looking like a handful of
tech giants, and it's worked its way
into nearly everything. And I don't just
mean the companies pretending to use it.
The obvious ones are the chip makers,
but it's also the utilities as data
centers need huge amounts of power. So,
a company whose job it is to keep the
lights on in Ohio is now partially an AI
stock, or at least its valuation is tied
to the idea that data centers will soon
become huge customers. It's real estate,
too, because someone has to own the
warehouses full of servers. And it's
construction, as there's a huge boom in
data center construction across the
United States. The AI trade now employs
electricians, and lots of them.
Then, there's the money that the boom
has already made. A few weeks ago,
SpaceX went public, turning around 4,400
of its employees into millionaires
overnight, including 400 of them who are
now worth more than a hundred million
dollars each. The people whose job it is
to sell things to the rich noticed this
immediately. Estate agents in California
and Texas reported a wave of inquiries
about new homes. Private jet firms
report extra business from those who
wanted to celebrate the IPO with a trip
somewhere.
>> This is the most terrifying part of the
K-shaped economy is right now for some
people the economy is absolutely on
fire. And the fact that you have this
sort of deranging effect of this is the
best thing ever. Like, oh my god, I've
never seen anything like this.
Uh and then other people being like, yo,
uh I can't make ends meet. This sucks. I
can't afford a house. Like, what the
is going on? Um it's rough. But,
the way that money flows is important to
map out because when you have these big
events, you're actually getting money to
start um dispersing back through the
economy. Now, it's going to stay largely
in areas where um you're servicing only
one class of people. So, if your service
like, if your job or your neighborhood
is servicing the middle class and the
middle class is struggling, then this
isn't going to help you at all. But, if
you're in an industry that services the
wealthy, now this is another boom
period. The catch is that boom period
starts making its way through the
economy through the stock markets. So,
you'll get companies that don't seem
like they're taking a win from AI, but
in reality, that win, while it seems
divorced on paper from AI, is actually
just the money that people are making in
AI working through the system. So, if
the AI dries up, that money dries up,
those companies go down as well in
lockstep with AI instead of normally
being decoupled.
>> Apparently, the single most popular
purchase after an event like this is a
luxury watch because as one watch dealer
explained it, the share certificate sits
in a brokerage account where nobody can
see it, but the watch goes on your
wrist.
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Now, let's get back to the show. Welcome
to Humaning 101. If people don't have a
way to flex and to show other people
what they're doing, um they they stop
caring about the thing. So, people have
to find some way to show other people.
It is an utterly fascinating glimpse
into ourselves.
>> Which is a nice way of describing the
urge to let strangers know how well
everything's been going for you. The
point is that the wealth doesn't stay
with the AI workers. It disperses out
into the whole economy, to estate
agents, watch dealers, pilots, interior
designers, the people who installed a
wine cellar, and the people who stock
it. All of them now care about the AI
trade, whether they put it this way or
not. Your florist may have a position in
Nvidia. She just doesn't call it that.
SpaceX, of course, was just the opening
act. Anthropic is expected to go public
in October at a valuation of between $1
trillion and $2 trillion.
>> That is going to be a big milestone.
We're going to see what actually happens
because you've got Anthropic and OpenAI
that both want to go public, and I think
that
>> [snorts]
>> I think that we're going to have a
liquidity problem. And this is where,
again, going back to capital flows, what
is that capital flow going to look like?
Because if the stock like um if SpaceX
drops enough, that money basically gets
trapped in the stock market because
we've destroyed that value and until the
numbers come back up, people are
unlikely to liquidate at those losses
and be able to go back into the next
one. And if they got margin called and
literally got wiped out, then that money
just isn't there for them to go into the
next big thing. And so, there's only so
many times that you can rally the cash
to the next big thing. If we see that
they get there,
you know, I mean, they're anywhere
approaching $2 trillion at Anthropic
with their IPO and it happens in the
near future,
that's a sign that there's still really
strong belief, people are still really
into this. If we get all the way through
uh Anthropic and OpenAI, that would be a
huge signal. But I have a feeling that
we're going to see a little bit of
softening, but we'll see.
>> And OpenAI's in this Q2. Employees don't
all have to wait for the IPO, either.
According to the FT, OpenAI recently
completed a near $7 billion tender
offer, buying back shares from
employees. So, the watches, the jet
charters, and the new homes near the
office don't have to wait for the bell
to ring at Nasdaq. The money is already
spilling out into the economy as we
speak, one $7 billion buyback at a time.
>> That's incredible.
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worried about AI investment and bought
small-cap US stocks instead. Well,
you're doing quite well. The Russell
2000 had its best first half since 1991,
up around 22%.
>> God.
>> You might take that as a sign that small
ordinary American businesses are
booming. In reality, 16 of the 50 best
performers in the index are
semiconductor and chip equipment firms.
>> Wow.
>> Companies like MaxLinear and Aeroflex
systems are up 250 and 380%
respectively this year. You didn't dodge
the AI boom, you bought the companies
that sell it cables and testing gear. Or
maybe you're a sensible value investor.
You don't touch overpriced growth
stocks. You bought the Russell 1000
value index, and right now you feel
pretty clever because value is up about
20% this year, while the growth index
has actually fallen. Value investing, it
seems, is back. The reason your value
fund did so well this year is that until
recently, it was packed with high-flying
semiconductor stocks.
>> All right, this is why you always want
to get below the headline. If you just
look at and say, "Oh, these are going
up." and you don't understand the
mechanism behind the scenes what just
happened, he's going to walk through the
the timing of these sales is absolutely
crazy. Um but whenever something
happens, whether good, bad, you want to
figure out why did this thing happen
because that is going to be far more
informative than the headline.
>> Until recently, it was packed with
high-flying semiconductor stocks.
Micron, AMD, Western Digital, which had
been on an enormous tear. Then, in late
June, the index providers did their
annual rebalance. They moved those chip
stocks out of the value index and into
the growth index, and moved Amazon,
Apple, and Microsoft the other way into
value. And the timing was, by complete
accident, absolutely perfect. The chips
got sold right at the top of their run,
just before they rolled over, and the
value index picked up the big tech names
right as they were touching their lows.
Nobody made any big decisions here. A
calendar reminder did it.
A value fund manager quoted in the Wall
Street Journal could only stand back and
admire how it had worked. It was like
the index got so lucky, he said. It
caught that blow-off top in momentum and
then sold it right before they rolled
over, which I imagine is a slightly
painful thing to say out loud if your
actual job is picking value stocks and a
mechanical rebalance just did a better
job than you.
>> Listen, getting the timing right is next
to impossible. You can have the right
thesis, you can be
doing your
hedge fund running magical mojo, but the
reality is that
even if you understand the way people
are thinking, where this is all going to
go, you get the technologies,
you understand the story behind the
founders, you understand their balance
sheet, all of that, you're actually
playing a game of psychology
with the investors, and that psychology
is being driven by emotion. And so,
getting the timing right becomes the
hard part. So, listen, I'm sure the
calendar gets it wrong all the time, and
so you've got to take the good with the
bad, uh but it is wild. And nobody
should ever When when you do something
right, and this drives my wife crazy.
So, I have made us a
in this market,
please give me no credit, as I tell my
wife, uh I've made us a ton of money
investing. Absolute ton of money,
ridiculous. And she'll be like, "Oh my
god, like you're so good at this." I'm
like, "Stop. Immediately stop. Th- This
is a question of, first of all, the
market is insane right now, and um just
get out of your own way is the right
answer. And then there are going to be
times that the market is way way way
down and I'm going to look like a
buffoon. And so if you celebrate me too
hard now, I've got to take the lumps
when it really goes down. And the
reality is this is just a time game. Be
be in the market, diversified across
economic forces. I'm way too ignorant.
Do not clap for me. So
everybody should come to the market with
a massive amount of humility because we
might be up now, but
ooh buddy, nothing lasts forever. And
again, this doesn't mean that there's a
inevitable crash coming, but it does
mean nothing is an only up phenomenon.
Even if by the way, this is all just
None of this is real. You're just
keeping pace with a declining dollar.
Don't forget there's always that behind
the scenes robbing you of your investing
genius.
>> So as a value investor, you did well
twice over. You made money on the chips
and sold them at the top. The only small
catch is where it left you. Your
sensible value portfolio is now stuffed
with Amazon, Apple, and Microsoft, three
of the biggest tech companies on Earth
and quite possibly the exact stocks you
bought a value fund to avoid owning. You
escaped the AI trade and landed in what
was effectively the AI trade wearing a
false mustache. So if you're stuck in
this trade, whether you want to be in it
or not, the obvious question to ask is
how much money are we talking about? If
the AI bubble deflates, how much wealth
is likely to be wiped out?
>> All right, if you're standing, now's the
time to sit.
>> Well, let's start with the economist
Dean Baker who runs a website called the
AI bubble monitor, which sounds like a
relaxing website to check over your
morning coffee right next to the weather
report. Baker's arithmetic goes like
this. The total US stock market is worth
around 80%
if price to earnings ratios simply
drifted back to their long-run average,
not a crash, just a return to normal
valuations. That would erase something
like $40 of stock market wealth, which
he notes averages out to nearly $300,000
per US household. Now, we need to be
careful with the per household figure
like that as it's an average and
averages can be sneaky. Stock ownership
in America is wildly lopsided. The
richest 10% of households own something
like 90% of the shares. So, if Elon Musk
lost, say, $200 billion from SpaceX and
your neighbor lost 4,000, the average
loss is a very impressive number that
describes almost nobody. The typical
household would lose far less for the
simple reason that the typical household
doesn't have $300,000 in stocks to lose
in the first place. So, let's get some
other opinions. Gita Gopinath, the
former chief economist at the IMF,
reckons a dot-com style correction today
would destroy about $20 trillion of
American
>> Okay. So, so far we've had 40 trillion.
Now, we've got 20 trillion, okay? Seems
much more reasonable, but we're going to
get a comp here in a minute.
>> wealth plus another $15 trillion in
wealth held by foreigners.
>> [snorts]
>> That American 20 trillion is roughly 70%
of US GDP. Consultants at Oliver Wyman
ran their own version and landed near
$33
of value wiped out. Again, more than the
entire US economy produces in a year.
And then, for a number that puts those
estimates in perspective. When the
actual dot-com bubble burst, it
destroyed about $6 trillion of equity
value. So,
>> You'll notice nobody's offering you a
number anywhere near that.
So, the dot-com bubble, the thing that
when you start trying to map out and
benchmark different things that could
happen inside of the stock market,
you're going to look at
what happened in the railways in like
whatever the 1860s or something.
You're going to look at obviously the
1929 crash. You're going to look at
the what happened in the 60s and 70s.
You're going to look at the dot-com
bubble and
it's so much smaller than what people
are predicting now. Now, these are just
predictions. Nobody knows that that's
actually what's going to happen. But,
yo, when you've got all your predictions
that are like so much bigger than that,
now you're in trouble.
>> The mainstream estimates for this one
run somewhere between five and six times
the size of the crash many of us still
reach for as a cautionary tale. So,
three different methods that all land in
the tens of trillions of dollars. We can
at least agree on the order of magnitude
of the potential hole.
Now, you might reasonably say, "So what?
It's paper wealth anyhow. If your
retirement account falls by a hundred
thousand
>> He just blinked.
We got it. We got it, Chad.
>> than you did yesterday.
That is true, but it matters anyway. And
it matters more now than it used to.
According to Goldman Sachs and the
Federal Reserve, stocks overtook real
estate as the single biggest component
of American household wealth this year.
>> I'm not going to lie. I like that
something is overtaking the home. I
think that one of the danger zones that
we've run into with people not being
able to afford homes is everybody thinks
that my house has to go up in value.
This is going to be the thing that I
leave with my kids.
And when we over index on houses being
the thing that people put their money
into,
we run into this problem. They turn into
a voting block and they don't want to
see the the value of their house stay
flat. They really don't want to see it
go down. They want an only up phenomenon
and they will vote for anybody that's
going to promise that. And that's where
we choke out housing. So, I get it. I
don't expect that to be a popular
opinion. But man-o-man, that in and of
itself is not necessarily bad. Um it it
is
a high risk that
people can get into the stock market
thinking short-term. That I think is
problematic. But the mere fact that this
has overtaken the housing market
is
it's complicated because right now the
housing market is terrible. So, this is
not a sign of anything good. It's not
like we started producing the houses
that we need to drive the cost down.
But
it will, I think, help break the
mentality that a house must always go up
in price.
>> To your point, I have an anecdotal
example. One of my old neighbors, he was
the Airbnb king. He had five, six, seven
properties, whatever like that. He hit
me up. He was like, "Drew, you know you
and your family like real estate invest.
Like I have a property I'm trying to get
rid of. Like, you know, do you want to
get in?" I was like, "Yeah, maybe. It
depends, you know, it's a trust. I got
to figure out what's going on." And then
I was like, "Where's the property?" He
was like, "Houston." And I just like
laughed. I was like, "Oh, the historic
flat market that doesn't price up." He
did a fix and flip and got stuck with it
now. And it was just funny like, "Oh,
you just
expect like because you've seen it in
Miami and Phoenix all these explosions."
He's like, "Oh, Houston is going to
grow." And it's been 2% up, but that's
because they're building so much. So, it
it hurts, quote-unquote, the housing
investor, but at the onset the community
there is able to afford houses. So, it's
that push and pull.
>> We have to, as a culture, make that
trade-off. Have to.
>> For the first time since the Second
World War,
for most of modern history, the average
family's net worth was mostly their
house. So, a stock market crash was
mainly a rich person's problem. That is
no longer the case. The stock market is
now where the median household's wealth
actually lives, which means a crash
today reaches into the middle of the
country in a way that it didn't in 2000.
That's then where the wealth effect
comes in. When people log into their
brokerage accounts and see a big number,
they feel rich and they spend more. The
nicer car, the kitchen, the holiday. The
research rule of thumb is that for every
hundred dollars of paper stock wealth,
people spend about three real dollars in
the actual economy. It may not sound
like much until you multiply it by tens
of trillions of dollars. And the whole
thing runs in reverse, too, just as
reliably. If 30-odd trillion dollars of
household wealth were to evaporate,
people would drastically slash their
spending. The new kitchen gets canceled,
the contractor loses his job, the car
salesman has a dreadful quarter, the
dealership lays someone off. The damage
cascades out from the stock market into
the real economy without a single bank
having to fail. It just requires people
to feel a bit poorer.
>> All right. Now, here's the bad news.
You've already started seeing reports
coming out of places like Walmart that
people are spending less now. And I
think if you track that back, what's
going on is people have really just
tried to power through the post-COVID uh
problems that we've been seeing, the you
know, call it 30% rise in the cost of
everything without wages keeping pace.
And instead of immediately reversing
course and people starting to be austere
in their own lives, people just took on
debt. Uh people spent savings. But of
course, that was eventually going to run
out. What we're seeing is that's running
out now. And so while you've got people
on the top of the cave doing great,
still spending money, they're they're
the only people left spending money,
um you're seeing middle class and people
in the working class are all pulling
back and pulling back pretty hard. So
we've hit some sort of hard wall with
the amount of savings or the ability to
bring on debt that people had. And so
that's before the bubble burst. So you
want to be in a position where
let's say that, you know, we're coming
up towards the everybody's questioning
the bubble but it's 2019 where people
have started saving money,
uh that's going to be the time where
something like this would be easier.
It's not going to be easy, but it'd be
easier to absorb some of it so that it
could play out a little bit more like
the 2000 dot com burst,
uh which hurt, obviously, anybody that
needed their money in the short term,
hurt uh people that were retirees, but
it didn't have that kind of massive
shock wave through the economy that this
would potentially have.
Um so that is important to keep in mind
as well.
>> The problem for anyone who thinks
they're safely on the sidelines is that
AI is now propping up whole chunks of
the non-AI economy. Harvard's Jason
Furman calculated that AI-related
infrastructure spending accounted for
something like 90% of America's economic
growth in the first half of last year.
>> That's insane. That is insane. As a
nation, we just cannot allow that kind
of concentration. Like it's crazy.
Uh what exactly we do about it is a way
bigger question that is certainly
outside of what we're going to talk
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But this is where getting into something
like the Hamiltonian economics that
Bessen is trying to drag us into,
um, is a must. You've got to start
returning other industries that make
physical things that aren't beholden to
AI. Have to.
>> More conservative estimates put it at
around a quarter. Either way, an
enormous share of recent economic growth
is simply just data center construction.
So, think about who depends on that
spending continuing.
>> Think about what happens if America
turns against data centers, which we're
already seeing in massive numbers. Every
time I utter the word data center, I
feel,
uh, that Ryan is going to bend his neck
around an object to to stare at me. It
it is, uh, already become, yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> It's already becoming like a thing that
you can't talk about. So, um, the fact
that so much of the jobs and economic
growth is all hinging on a thing that
Americans are rapidly turning against,
ooh, buddy.
>> It isn't just Nvidia shareholders, it's
the electricians we talked about at the
top of the video, it's the construction
crews pouring the concrete, it's the
firms that make the air conditioning
units that stop the servers from cooking
themselves. It's the people running the
cables, manufacturing the transformers,
and driving the trucks, even the
astronauts installing them in outer
space. If [snorts] AI capital spending
slows, all of those people see their
income slow with it. And not one of them
needs to have ever bought a single share
of anything.
The Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz puts
the grim vision plainly. A crash like
this would land at the same moment AI
starts displacing workers. So, a lot of
households could get hit twice at once.
Their savings falling while their jobs
get less secure.
>> Okay, so this is a complicated issue.
There's no doubt that AI is going to
um
cause some people to lose otherwise
secure jobs. However, right now, this
may not hold forever, but right now it's
following the same pattern that every
major technological revolution has
followed before it, which is ultimately
it ends up creating more jobs than it
destroys. But that doesn't help the
people who aren't going to be able to
adapt to the new world. It aggressively
helps young people
uh because young people will be just the
this is the job market. These are the
things that we do. Just like when the
internet came along and social media
came along and suddenly content creator
was a thing and that created I can't
even imagine how many more jobs for
editors, cinematographers than existed
ever before in human history. I mean, it
had to be a staggering number. There
will be new jobs that are created that
we can't really anticipate right now. Um
so, it'll be a shift away from people
that are say north of 35 down to people
that are just coming out of high school
and college that'll be far more adapted
to the new technology.
Um so, take it for what it's worth.
Also, I think more people are going to
be able to start their own companies and
do things that weren't previously
possible. So, it isn't It's not like,
oh, this is a done deal. Eventually,
we're going to hit a point AI is going
to come in and it's going to wipe
everybody out, especially if we hit a
pause button and we don't get to super
intelligence. Super intelligence is
where AI is better than us at
everything. At that point, forget it. AI
is not a tool anymore. It's just going
to do everything and all you can do is
hope for a world of abundance.
Um
but yeah, that one I will say don't
don't necessarily take the doom and
gloom. It's something called Jevons
paradox, where the cheaper something
becomes,
uh the more of it people use. Um so,
yes, coal replaced a lot of old jobs,
but it created a lot more new jobs
because people wanted to use the coal
for more and more things.
>> He put it, the breaking of any bubble is
really bad in the short term for the
macro economy, which from a Nobel
economist is practically a scream. Now,
if your mind is going to 2008 at this
point, you might be worrying a bit too
much. The big banks are in much better
shape than they were back then. They
hold far more capital. They've got real
liquidity buffers and they get stress
tested every year. There's no reason to
expect a repeat of Lehman Brothers. But,
the reason it isn't a banking story is
that we made the banks safer. And when
you make one part of the financial
system safer, the risky lending doesn't
necessarily stop. It just moves
somewhere else with fewer rules. A few
weeks ago, the Wall Street
>> way, that's an important lesson about
markets. You can try to clamp down on a
lot of this stuff, but if there is a
desire for it, people are going to find
a way to it, especially when you start
talking about financial instruments. Uh
so, yeah, this is all getting into the
private credit stuff. He He never ends
up talking about Blue Owl. He's going to
get a bit into private credit in a
second. Um but that that is a whole
universe unto itself. And understanding
how money moves into private credit,
understanding how the respiratory system
of the global economy is the euro
dollar. You have to understand all of
that stuff, how that money system works,
to understand why risks might be hiding
in places that nobody's able to model
out properly, but it doesn't mean the
risks aren't there.
>> published an analysis with the wonderful
title, "Why Big Tech's AI Spending Is $3
Trillion Higher Than It Seems." They
reported that every quarter the big tech
companies proudly report their capital
spending on AI. The data centers, the
chips, all of it. That reported figure
across the whole group is about $600
billion over the last year. Here's the
problem, though. The journal went
through the footnotes of these
companies' filings and found roughly $3
trillion of additional AI commitments
that don't appear on the balance sheet
at all. Five times the capex everyone's
been staring at. These are things like
long-term leases on data centers and
locked-in purchase commitments for
chips, computing power, and energy.
Money that the companies are absolutely
on the hook to spend, tucked away in the
footnotes rather than sitting on the
balance sheet where you might think you
would find it.
>> Yeah, so I covered this in one of my um
reactions before. The reality is that
these guys are disclosing everything
that they need to disclose, but the
problem is they put them in these really
boring um you know, papers.
Uh they're in the footnotes, people
aren't looking at that stuff because
again, people are not reasoning their
way to these positions uh purely
intellectually. They're getting here by
uh emotional means, but um this is why
in this debate about what is the
depreciation cycle for the assets, it
really becomes a very meaningful
question that has to be answered. Um I
won't go through the whole thing, but um
you had Nvidia putting out basically
insurance against their chips going down
in value over time, which is basically
an insurance play against their claims
that you get 5 to 6 years versus the 2
to 3 that people like Michael Burry are
saying, uh they're mis-clocking these in
their um reports. Because of that,
there's a lot more losses than people
are being honest about. Uh and
the interesting thing about what Nvidia
put out was that they can show that in
the first 6 years that chips are still
holding their value. The part of the
reason for that though is that there's
more demand for AI currently um than we
have the build-out for, but once we have
all of the build-out that's already been
green-lit but hasn't come online yet,
what's that going to do to that value?
Is it then just going to really plummet?
So, they were willing to back 25% but
that was it, only 25%. So, it's like I
think there are a lot of question marks
there that are going to have profound
impacts. So, um the story obviously is
going to be far more complicated than
people are going to be able to give you.
If you lose sight of that, I think it
gets easier to get caught up in the
emotion, so beware.
>> Alphabet alone has over $800 billion of
this type of purchase commitment.
Analysts have started calling it an AI
spending iceberg. The enormous part
above the water turns out to be the
small part. None of this is technically
hidden and none of it is illegal. It's
all disclosed if you happen to be the
sort of person who reads footnotes. But,
it means that the true scale of what
these companies have promised to spend
is far bigger than the headline numbers
suggest and every dollar of it rests on
the assumption that the AI revenues will
eventually turn up to pay for it. The
market has started to notice. The cost
of insuring big techs debt against
default has hit record highs recently.
And when the companies at the center of
all this start to strain, the pressure
travels to wherever the lending
happened, which brings us to private
credit. Over the past few years, private
credit funds, lightly regulated outfits
that lend directly to companies outside
the traditional banking system, have
poured money into the AI and software
world. This is now something like a two
to three trillion-dollar market and it
has started to creak. The Financial
Times reported this month that troubled
loans at the 20 largest listed private
credit funds have climbed to their
highest level since 2017.
Fitch says private credit defaults hit a
record in July. One large fund reported
that 7% of its entire loan book was in
trouble. The co-head of one of the big
lenders told investors more or less that
the denial phase is over. Now, we have
to be fair, many people think that this
is overblown, too, pointing out that the
default rates we're talking about are
still low in absolute terms.
>> It's true, but one of the most important
things that people can be looking at in
the AI game is is the rate of growth
slowing. So, like if you look at China,
China is still growing, but their rate
of growth is declining. And so when you
start looking at the housing crisis
there and you see that it's having an
impact on the overall growth rate,
you've got things trending in the wrong
direction. It doesn't always mean that
something breaks instantly and oh, we
only have a problem down the road. It's
like no, no, no, this is telling you the
direction of travel. The fact that the
the private credit industry is
um on unsteady footing, let's say.
Nobody knows how big the problem is,
nobody knows if it's going to keep
getting worse, but you have people that
are now saying, "I want my money back.
You promised me I could get my money
back, and now you're denying to give me
my money back." Now, in a bank, we call
that a bank run, and that is
catastrophic. It will often end the
bank. The bank goes out of business. And
what's happening is in the private
credit funds, they're just saying, "No.
Hey, I know we told you we would give
you your money back, but we're not going
to." And because of the light
regulations, they're able to get away
with this. So, this is where it's like,
"Yes, what you're saying is true." Uh
that if investors can get their money
back, those investors on that
investment, meaning if they get some
portion of it back, those investors on
that investment will probably simply
limp away from the deal, but it's an
indication that we're running out of
places to get good debt, and we have
started reaching into places where it's
too high risk of debt. And if you
remember 2008, that was the exact
problem. So, we've taken the banks are
the ones doing the um loans that are too
risky, and now we've just moved it to
private credit, but it certainly feels
like the same phenomenon.
>> And if the lenders recover most of their
money, the actual losses are still
small. So, there's no catastrophe today.
The worry, however, isn't the current
number, it's the direction the numbers
moving in, and the fact that private
credit is deliberately hard to see into.
In a lightly regulated, opaque corner of
finance, nobody quite knows who's
holding the risky loans until something
goes wrong and everyone finds out at the
same time. We ran this exact experiment
in 2008 with a different set of
acronyms, and it didn't go especially
well. We're now re-running the
experiment, presumably to confirm that
the result replicates. Now, whenever you
point any of this stuff out, someone
always turns up in the comments within
about 90 seconds to say that none of
this matters because AI is a real
technology that's going to change the
world, and they may well be right. There
might be huge productivity gains in the
pipeline. Businesses, just to be clear,
already find AI really useful. But,
here's the uncomfortable thing. A
technology being real and useful and
world-changing still does absolutely
nothing to protect you if you initially
overpaid for the stock. Good businesses
and good investments are totally
different things.
>> Preach. Preach. Everybody has to like
burn that into your soul.
Uh you can have a great business with a
terrible stock price that you bought in
at. It goes down. Uh it ends up
re-getting to that number, but not till
20 years later. Or you ended up getting
liquidated on the way down. And so,
yeah, it ends up being great for
somebody else who buys low and sells
high. But, the reality is because people
invest emotionally, the vast majority of
people buy high and sell low. Or they
just get liquidated. So, yeah, separate
the two things.
>> The Bank for International Settlements
put out a report recently comparing the
current AI build-out to the British
railway mania of the 1840s. And they
weren't being flattering. Trains were
obviously a real and transformative
technology. They changed the world, how
people traveled, how goods moved, where
people lived. Investors in the 1840s who
understood how important this technology
was got extremely excited and did
exactly what investors always do, which
is to take a good idea and overdo it.
Hundreds of new railway lines were
proposed, and the money involved was
staggering. By 1850, cumulative
investment in railways had reached close
to half of Britain's entire GDP. The
snag was that in all the excitement,
companies started laying down expensive
railway track to tiny villages that
turned out to contain almost no
passengers. Amazing engineering, but
nobody on the platform, which as a
business model has some well-documented
weaknesses. By 1850, railway shares had
lost about 2/3 of their value. The
tracks remained in place, the trains
ran, the technology went on to power a
century of British industrial dominance,
but the people who paid for it were
wiped out. The railways changed the
world, the railway investors changed
their spending habits. This pattern is
what the BIS is worried about. According
to their research, relative to where
each boom started, the AI build-out has
already grown faster than the railway
mania, faster than the electrification
boom of the 1920s, and faster than the
dot-com bubble. On their chart, it's the
steepest line of the lot. Those earlier
manias tended to break around year five,
and then drag their economies into a
recession. We're currently at year
three, so there's plenty of time left to
go.
For a more recent example, we can look
at the dot-com bubble. The internet,
once again, was real. No one's claiming
that it turned out to be a fad. And at
the time, telecom companies were so
certain that the future would need
infinite bandwidth that they borrowed
huge sums of money and laid tens of
millions of miles of fiber optic cable
across the country. So much of it sat
unused for years afterwards that the
industry gave it a name, dark fiber.
They built the road system for the
modern internet roughly a decade before
there was enough traffic to justify it.
>> That That's the question about what's
happening now. So, do we need all the
data centers? Nobody's saying we don't
need data centers. Well,
people are debating whether we should
want data centers, but if if you're
going to have AI, you're going to have
to have the data centers,
um, and that isn't the question. The
question is in the race for AI
supremacy, these companies trying to
beat each other, everybody trying to get
their dollars in,
um, because people can just see like
whoever wins this race, like, oh my god,
this is going to be insanely lucrative.
And so they're all pouring their money
in. Now, just like in the streaming
wars, what we end up seeing is these
guys clash and collide. We as the user,
we end up getting a lot out of it, but
at the end of the day, they're not all
going to survive. It is a terrible
business model for them to be burning
that much cash for that long. Only so
many people are going to be able to
survive that. Now, you have that going
on in AI, you have this historical
pattern that repeats, but on top of
that, you're in a position now where AI
is so integrated into the entire
economy, even globally, that you're in
this position where if it goes down,
it's not just like a bunch of investors
find out that they're not as smart as
they thought they were. You're in a
position where you drag the entire
economy into a recession or depression.
And so if we're already on unstable
financial footing, which I think there
is an extraordinarily strong case to
make, cuz again, don't be confused by
the K, some people on top doing well,
the overall economy is not in a great
place. So given that, if you're already
experiencing recession-esque economics,
and then you layer this on top of it,
now it's like, whoa, the size of the
blast radius could get extreme.
>> Most of them went bankrupt waiting for
the eventual revenues. When that bubble
burst, the S&P 500 fell by about half,
and the Nasdaq lost nearly 80%. But
here's the part that really matters for
anyone who thinks they can outsmart this
by simply buying the eventual winner.
Even if you picked correctly, even if
you identified the single best company
of the entire era, it could still ruin
your decade. Amazon is the obvious
example of a winner that you could have
picked. Amazon survived the crash and
became one of the most valuable
companies in human history, but its
stock still fell about 90% when the
bubble burst. If you bought at the peak
in 1999,
you were absolutely right about the
future of online commerce, and you then
would have had to wait until 2009
to get back to break even on your
investment. Being right cost you a
decade. Jeff Bezos' own letter to
shareholders about that year opened with
a single word, "Ouch." [clears throat]
It's worth noting that there are very
few people who would have bought just
Amazon, either. In the typical tech
investor's portfolio in 1999,
along with Amazon was a basket of stocks
like pets.com that all went to zero,
diluting their long-term returns
significantly.
>> All right, this is what we're talking
about. If you really want to win in the
stock market, you have to, one, bet
against the consensus and be right, and
two, it's going to need to be a
concentrated bet. Now, that is not my
advice. My advice is the exact opposite
of that, but nonetheless, if you had bet
on Amazon alone, then yes, when you
recovered, you would have been laughing
all the way to the bank. But if you put
all your money into the stock market and
in '99, and then it crashes and you were
spread out across a bunch of things,
well, now you're taking all your lumps
cuz some of those companies are just
going to cease to exist, and so Amazon,
over a long enough period of time, is
likely to pull you out of whatever hole
you were in because it became so
valuable, but the vast majority of
people, one, they just they can't
stomach waiting that 10 or 20 years in
some cases for those companies to come
back, and so they sell, and then they're
so scared that they don't double down on
the one that's showing signs that it's
going to come back out of this. And so
they end up doing what? They buy high,
they sell low. This is just how that
mechanism works.
>> For investors, the hard part isn't
believing in the technology. It's
picking which specific company is going
to win while you're standing inside the
bubble. If you cast your mind back to
the late '90s and you're convinced the
internet is the future and you're right
about that and you started looking for a
company that will own internet search,
the obvious choice at the time might
have been Infoseek or Lycos or Altavista
or Excite, the biggest, best-funded
search leaders that had become household
names. Every one of them is now a trivia
question. The company that eventually
won, Google, barely existed during the
bubble and only came to prominence in
the early 2000s after the bubble had
burst. It's very easy looking backwards
to assume today's winners were always
destined to win, but history is fairly
blunt on this topic. Being first to
build a transformative technology mostly
just makes you a very expensive rough
draft for whatever shows up later and
actually makes the money.
>> saying this, but
>> you take any of this as a signal to sell
everything you own to buy canned food
and guns, I want to give you the other
warning, too. As calling the top on tech
is a game people have been losing for
quite some time, too.
Back in April
>> This is a great point. So, had Raoul Pal
on the show recently and so I was laying
out, okay, here are the things that I'm
worried about and you know, I'm
rebalancing my portfolio and Raoul had a
stroke and he was like, "Listen, this is
the mistake that everybody ends up
making and they end up missing out on
all the wealth creation." And now while
he and I disagree on that, I think it is
a wise time to start rebalancing, not a
time to exit. That's certainly not my
strategy, but a time to go from a more
aggressive posture to something that's
more protective. I think it's wise, but
everybody should do what they think is
right. That certainly is not me giving
you financial advice. So
but understanding that if you exit out
of the system entirely, you could miss
years and years and years of gains. So
it it is a game where you have to be so
careful cuz you can lose sitting on the
sidelines because of inflation, and then
you can lose by being in the game
because you over index and get it wrong
or even just get the timing wrong.
>> 2022, The New York Times ran a piece
called The Tech Bubble That Never Burst.
It laid out a full decade of famous
investors sounding the alarm on tech and
being wrong over and over again. In
2011, the entrepreneur Steve Blank
announced we were in a second internet
bubble and that the signals are loud and
clear. In 2014, the VC investor Marc
Andreessen warned that high burn
startups would, and he wrote this in all
caps, vaporize. In 2015, Mark Cuban
declared that this bubble was worse than
the tech bubble of 2000. In 2016, the
veteran investor Jim Breyer saw blood in
the water, predicting that 90% of
unicorns would be repriced or die. And
in 2021, Jeremy Grantham, a legendary
investor who has correctly called some
of history's great bubbles, promised
that this one too would burst in due
time. The bit I love though is that The
New York Times published that article in
April 2022, which was more or less the
exact month that tech stocks began one
of their worst declines in a generation.
The Nasdaq fell by about a third that
year. So the definitive piece on doom
mongers always being wrong came out at
almost the precise moment the doom
mongers were briefly right. And that is
the whole problem in one story. The
bears are usually early, frequently
wrong, and then occasionally with no
warning, they're right. And by that
point most people have stopped
listening, which is exactly why this
video isn't a prediction, and why sell
everything is not the lesson.
>> Okay, so this is why I talk so endlessly
about building your thinking up from
first principles. So the reason to
listen or not listen to somebody is not
because you think they're right in that
moment. It's because they're giving you
an indicator of what their belief system
is, which then allows you to take a
broader spectrum look at what are the
conceivable ways to interpret what I'm
seeing before me. The vast majority of
what we interact with can't be really
determined to be fact or not fact,
either because it's asking you to see
into the future, in which case it will
become fact, but you're going to have to
make a decision before you get there, or
it's just this isn't really a thing
that's anything other than
interpretation because I'm betting on or
against
human psychology, which woo, is it is
still a thing inside of a deterministic
universe, but boy oh boy is emotion hard
to map. So what you want to be doing is
saying, "Okay, hold on a second. It's
useful to hear what they think, but what
I'm trying to do is figure out the base
assumptions that are driving their
thinking. That way have to get lost in
the cloud of their emotions. I can go
ask, "Are their base assumptions
actually true?" And so which of their
base assumptions can I connect to
actually ground reality? And that is why
I listen to bears, I listen to bulls.
I'm trying to figure out what they're
both thinking. I'm trying to find their
arguments, and then I'm trying to go,
"Okay, I believe this part of the bear
case, I believe this part of the bull
case, and so in the wash, how does that
all come out? What do I think the
direction of travel is?" So again, first
principles will come to your aid at all
times.
>> In fact, if you had bought at the highs
in 1999 or right before the credit
crunch or right before COVID and just
held on till now, you will have done
just fine. And the problem with selling
early or even selling in a timely manner
is that it's very difficult to time
rebuying. So, if nobody can time this,
the lesson is something much more boring
than that. Jason Zweig wrote a column in
The Wall Street Journal a little while
back making the case that if you
actually want to get some distance from
the AI trade, one place to look is
Europe. He was not especially flattering
about it. He called the continent, and
I'm quoting here, an open-air museum of
aging populations and arthritic
economies, which is a rough sentence to
read if you live in Europe and would
make for a fairly grim tourism campaign.
But, the unflattering
is sort of the whole point. European
stocks are cheap precisely because so
few people are excited about them. Tech
is only about 10% of the European index
versus nearly half of the S&P 500. And
value investors are looking there
exactly because the excitement and the
high prices that come with it simply
hasn't arrived. Instead of AI and Mars
colonization, the index is mostly banks,
industrial manufacturers, and health
care companies. The sort that generate
steady cash and pay you a dividend of
around 3% while you wait. And to be fair
to Europe, this isn't just buy the
boring stuff and hope for the best.
Zweig quotes a fund manager at Fidelity
who describes the 3% dividend as the
ballast you'd look for if the AI story
fails to meet expectations.
The idea being that if the S&P 500
falls, European stocks will probably
fall less simply because there's less
speculative price build-up to unwind. A
port in the storm, as he puts it.
>> I think that's a really interesting
point. So, for anybody that is looking
to
um
where am I going to go? How am I going
to deal with this? Realizing if I'm
right in what I said at the very
beginning, which is this is largely
about emotion, you've got this gigantic
gigantic hoover that's sucking in all
the capital, that's bringing a ton of
tension to it attention to it. It's um
getting people very excited. People are
buying into the narrative. If all of
that is right, then if you want to hedge
against it, you're not necessarily going
to exit it entirely because you never
know how much it could be years of
excitement that's still left, which
could translate into a ton of money.
But, if you want to have a hedge against
it, then you're looking for something
that's the opposite. What is the thing
that's a good business? Like it's really
solid, it's actually happening,
and it doesn't have the excitement
premium. It doesn't have all the
attention and the energy. Now, it's
going to require you to do more work,
but it also means that if you can find a
gem that's a real, true, solid business,
uh you're not going to have that premium
to unwind, as he said, when things if
things um get shaky, you're going to be
somewhere that's slightly more immune to
that phenomenon because it isn't already
put into its price.
>> Another manager who I spoke to argues
the ossified Europe stereotype is out of
date. That big European companies are
reforming and cutting costs faster than
she's seen in her entire career. So, the
case isn't that these are sad, dusty
companies, it's the low investor
expectations leave room for upside
surprises, which is roughly the opposite
of what you get when you buy the most
exciting stock in the world at 40 times
earnings. Now, I should be clear that
Zweig is not predicting a crash in his
column, either. He goes out of his way
to say the fears about US market
concentration are probably overblown,
that history doesn't show that a few
giant stocks lead to bad returns, and
that if you're already globally
diversified, you might not need to do
anything at all. His suggestion is
simply to add a little European exposure
at the margin, not to run for the hills,
which fits the whole spirit of this
video. The point was never to tell you
that the sky is falling. It's that if
you've somehow ended up with everything
you own riding on a single trade, it's
worth knowing that there are other rooms
in the building.
And that brings us back to the magic
word from the start of the video,
diversification.
People often think diversification means
owning 50 different technology stocks
that all go up together.
>> [laughter]
>> I still can't believe that's real.
>> Is that literally how he laughs?
>> You you were not trolled. That's a real
video. I had to look it up. I was like,
there's no way that guy is real. He's
real. Yeah, that was the whole guy at
the center of that massive scandal.
>> I thought it was Beavis and Butt-Head
for a second.
>> Oh [laughter] my god, it's crazy. Almost
worse in some ways.
>> That's just piling in in a bull market.
As Zweig puts it, if all of your assets
go up at the same time, they're also
likely to go down at the same time,
which is the thing you were trying to
avoid. Real diversification means
deliberately owning things that don't
all fall over on the same afternoon.
>> Uncorrelated.
>> Which in practice means holding some
assets you feel faintly embarrassed
about. While your neighbor is at the
barbecue talking about his SpaceX
allocation and his Nvidia call options,
you have to admit that a meaningful
chunk of your net worth is riding on the
dependable performance of a Swiss
pharmaceutical company and a Scottish
water utility. It's not a story that
gets you invited back. But, the boring
assets are the ones still standing when
the exciting ones aren't. And that's the
real lesson here because long-term
investing isn't supposed to be exciting.
When you look back through financial
history, the most thrilling trade of any
given era is very often the one that
goes on to ruin the people who piled
into it. In the early 1970s,
the Nifty Fifty were the 50 blue chip
American stocks that you could
supposedly buy and hold forever, right
up until they lost most of their value
in the 1973 to '74 crash. By the end of
the 1980s, the Japanese stock market was
widely regarded as the unstoppable
future of the global economy. Then it
spent the next three decades going
essentially nowhere. An investor who
bought Japan at the peak in 1989 waited
more than 30 years just to get back to
break even.
>> And let me be very clear. You were
waiting for 30 years for inflation to
catch up. You weren't uh it's not like,
"Oh my god, these stocks are now hot
again." It It is So much of the gains in
the stock market are actually an
illusion. It is simply the dollar losing
value.
Same with the yen.
>> And as we've already discussed, the
Nasdaq needed about 15 years to climb
back to where it stood in the year 2000.
None of these were stupid bets at the
time. They were the consensus. They were
the exciting, obvious, everybody already
knows it trade, which is precisely what
made them so dangerous. So, this is
where we land. You don't have to attend
every party. You don't have to put your
whole net worth into the hottest corner
of the market because it's what everyone
is talking about and someone on the
internet told you it only goes up. The
AI boom may well work out to be as good
as advertised. A lot of serious people
think it will, and they might be right.
But, this technology is real, and these
stocks are a good investment at these
prices are two completely different
statements. And a good chunk of
financial history is just people
confusing the first one for the second.
The point of investing for retirement
isn't to have interesting things to say
at dinner parties. It's to eventually
retire. If you found this video
interesting,
>> All right. My man, Patrick Boyle. You
guys, if you haven't subscribed to him,
do. You will love it. Uh he's absolutely
fantastic. He puts out a ton of great
content. Um yeah, this one is wild.
Listen, I get it. This is a huge moment.
I hope you guys are in the stock market
in a wise way, and that you've been able
to ride uh this run-up as well. I hope
now, while things are still going well,
you start thinking about whether or not
you want to do anything different. Um I
that is a decision everybody has to make
for themselves, but uh there's no doubt
for me, this is a moment to um take some
of my wins, rebalance portfolio. I'm
still in the market. I'm still exposed
to AI. I'm not running and hiding in the
hills, uh but I am shifting my posture a
bit. Um so, yeah. Hopefully, you guys
got value out of that. I know I'm
obsessed with looking at what's going on
with the AI market right now. All right,
everybody. Have a wonderful weekend.
We'll see you guys on Monday. Love you
bunches. Until next time, my friends. Be
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