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In this discussion, Douglas Murray expresses a profound sense of depression regarding the current state of the United Kingdom, contrasting it sharply with his observations following the inauguration in Washington D.C. He notes that while there are opportunities for economic and educational reform in America to address its own problems, Britain appears stuck in a cycle where no one believes life will improve. This sentiment is echoed by Murray's friends upon their return from abroad; despite having recently left what he describes as a war zone with an upbeat demeanor, the cultural gravity of the UK quickly dampened his spirits within 24 hours to match the prevailing equilibrium of despair among its citizens. Murray argues that this national malaise stems from a fatal combination of weak economics and a deteriorating culture. He cites specific economic failures such as stagnant wages, unaffordable housing, and a lack of growth, which he believes are exacerbated by bureaucratic inertia at an institutional level. A prime example provided is the decades-long debate over expanding Heathrow Airport's third runway versus funding new infrastructure in Pakistan to connect with family members there. Murray highlights this hypocrisy among certain Labour MPs as indicative of a society that cannot make pragmatic decisions or move forward, noting that such paralysis prevents healthy countries from simply building necessary projects and instead leads to endless, unproductive arguments. The conversation further explores the erosion of British cultural identity and resilience, which Murray attributes to a suppression of natural instincts like masculinity and rebelliousness rather than their absence. He criticizes institutions for engaging in what he calls "stupid thinking," pointing specifically to the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust's alleged shift away from celebrating William Shakespeare toward promoting Bengali poets who were not born in Stratford-upon-Avon. Murray contrasts this with America, where a spirit of rebelliousness persists and has even been weaponized effectively against cultural suppression movements through figures like Donald Trump, whereas he suggests that the British public has yet to find an equivalent "hammer" to strike back at these trends. Ultimately, Murray concludes that while there is some shared discontent in Britain over issues ranging from police harassment for social media posts to perceived institutional bias, this collective grievance often manifests as a passive acceptance of decline rather than active resistance. He observes that people bond over their mutual suffering and the feeling that things are "a little bit crap," but rarely do they unite to make them better. The loss of the traditional British "stiff upper lip" has not resulted in strength, he argues, but rather in a society where individuals feel powerless against both bureaucratic inefficiency and cultural shifts, leaving many wondering how such a historically resilient nation could find itself so deenergized and unable to chart a path forward.
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How are you feeling about the UK at the
moment? Well, I don't know when you will
ask back, but my experience of going
back to the UK now is that everyone is
supremely depressed and doesn't think
life will get better. Yeah. It's kind of
like a Gary's economics monologue uh
just being played on repeat, but like
that sentiment of you're broke and your
children are going to be broke and no
one's going to get a house and you're
going to die destitute and Yeah.
Everyone's going to be poorer than than
this generation and all that sort of
thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's I I was very
depressed when I got went back to the UK
last because I think I just come fresh
from the inauguration in DC and I mean
which was bracing for lots of reasons
but uh I just noticed that all you know
there are lots of opportunities for
things to be writed in America and put
in a more sane direction again we'll see
if that happens but I think there's a
great opportunity this whole set of
great opportunities in America economic
and much more for the country
educational reform a lot of problems
that that America needs to address that
have now the opportunity to be
addressed. Whereas Britain, like most of
Western Europe, it just stumbles on, you
know. Uh it's very depressing. And I
noticed I've noticed that my friends are
all wildly depressed. Rather surprised
at how upbeat I was, you know. I mean,
they beat it out of me having just
having just come from a war zone, a war
zone. I mean, but but you know, within
24 hours of being in the UK, I was
suitably depressed at the equilibrium
that was expected of cortisol level and
come into line with everyone else.
Yeah. You'd said, "I've seen a lot of um
plenty wars up close, but it's the UK
that I'm most concerned about."
Well, yeah, actually, I am. I am. It may
be a sort of dramatic overstatement but
um yeah I
mean what gives you hope in any country
whether it's a peace or a war is whether
whether the people in the country want
to fight for the country metaphorically
or literally. Mhm. And um in the last uh
few years, I think since I last saw you,
yeah, I've seen spent a lot of time in
Ukraine and uh more so in Israel and the
Middle East and uh seen people literally
fighting for their survival and for
their country and that's always but
particularly in those cases a very
remarkable thing to see. Um when you
then see a
deenergized innovated society
where everyone's split and no one knows
how to go forward is yeah it's very uh
it's very concerning. Um I I and I just
see that for the time being rolling on
in the UK as I say the stop has been put
to it of a kind in the US. But how much
is bottom up and how much is top down do
you think? How much of this is sort of
structural bureaucratic because of the
leadership because of things that need
to be changed in an institutional level
and how much of this is as you mentioned
the the sort of culture of the people
that they're sort of reing in their own
uh I guess binding together over their
own sort of shared discontent. Well,
having having few economic opportunities
causes everything else to go wrong. I
mean, I'm I'm completely persuaded by my
economist friends who say, you know, the
one job of politics is to keep the
economy good, and if if you don't do
that, everything else can go wrong as
well. I think that's true, but I just
it's a combination of the economics of
the the the market not working, um
growth not happening, wages being
stagnant, unaffordability of
housing, and then plus the just wild
innovation of all the cultural crap.
Mhm. Um I I I think I think you can go
you can have weak economics but keep
strong culture, but if you've got weak
economics and weak culture, I was just
watching this morning, you know, there's
a there's a row that's been going on
because that's something I helped to
fuel. Um but um um there's a bunch of
layers who've been busily campaigning
against a third runway at Heathrow
airport, which is just like seriously
this has happened all my adult
life. Any healthy country doesn't debate
for 20 years uh a third runway at your
major airport. You just you just get it
done. Just build it.
Um, same thing with there's like
infrastructure like H like HS2 which has
one virtue in it which is that it can
the plan is to be able to get out of
Birmingham faster. And uh these but
these big infrastructure projects have
been like endlessly debated in the UK
for like 20 years. Yeah.
And um that's very depressing. But but
yes, a group of Labour MPs um uh all
with diverse constituencies or not uh
have been busily anti- uh runway at uh
Heathrow, but have been urging um the
funding of u an airport in Mapur um
because uh their constituents want to be
able to get um back and forth to see
family. Um where's Mapur? in Pakistan.
Um and um uh they're they're very
insistent that that that that
anti-building of runways in in England
but
very in Pakistan and those things are
just crazy and everyone in Britain can
see it and and you know and then people
criticized these pe these MPs for this
obvious ridiculous double standard of
saying you know if there isn't if the
Heathrow expands you know it will kill
the planet. They go, "But me poor,
great, good to go." And uh, everyone can
see that. And then people in Britain, a
couple of MPs called it out and then
were immediately called Islamophobic
racists by
these other MPs who, you know, that
that's just typical Britain. It's a
typical Britain and nobody knows how to
get out of it. It's it's the same thing
you know everyone now knows you know you
complain about anything in Britain
online or off and these weird
unicized police will tap on your door
with a and none of it's metaphorical you
know as constant kissing said the other
week about the thousands and thousands
of people who've had police come to
their door because of like saying
something critical of their school on
Facebook and this sort of it's just it's
just bizarre the weeks
situation that Britain has got into. We
weren't like that. Um, we don't have to
be. Yeah. The
uh culture of a stiff upper lip appears
to have been sort
of lost in its entirety. It hasn't been.
It hasn't been. It's just been wildly
suppressed like everything else like
masculinity, like natural, you know, the
the natural culture of the country. I
wrote the other week about this
ridiculous thing where the Shakespeare
Birthplace Trust inevitably is waging
war on Shakespeare, you know, and that
the new thing is like why are we doing
so much Shakespeare at the Shakespeare
Birthplace Trust and why aren't we
spending more time celebrating this
Bengali poet? Well, said Bengali poet
wasn't born in Stratford upon Haven, you
jerk.
probably if you go to his birthplace you
won't find all that much
Shakespeare and but you know it's just
filled all of the institutions all the
cultural institutions it's all filled
with stupid thinking like that you know
I think the slight difference is there's
a sense of rebelliousness in America
that we don't well there there is in
Britain as well there is everywhere it's
just that you can very effectively
squash it and you know for some years in
America They tried to squash that in
America and Americans used the biggest
hammer they could find to hit back
against it, which is Donald J. Trump.
Um, and the British public haven't yet
found a hammer. Very interesting. Yeah.
So, if you think about who Americans are
the progeny of, I'm aware that
immigration, recent immigration, uh,
waters this down a little bit, but
they're
the they're the descendants of people
who said 8week journey at sea, limited
chance of survival. Not really too sure
what I'm going to count me in. Yeah, I
know there there is an explanation of
that. Yes, but there's also, you know,
there's I'd like to think there are
plenty of belligerent buggers back home
as well. and uh and there's plenty of
brave people and plenty of people who
may not have left the islands but but
who still have similar instincts. You
know, it just seems like there's a at
least in the UK and not
among most of the friends that I spend
my time with, but that's because I, you
know, very carefully sort of selected my
group of friends to not be those people.
But when I hear the sort of commentary
that happens online, I do think,
huh, this shared reing in discontent in,
you know, if you were to ring one of
your friends and say in the UK, get that
in. Thank you, Douglas. Time for you to
do your first ad read. There we are.
Yeah. Newtonic. In fact, if I become
wildly ill from drinking this, it's bad
for you, isn't it? Uh, it would look
bad, but you can hold it together. I'm
sure you've taken worse across across
across your illustrious career. Thank
you. Very good. Okay. Come on. Come
here. There we go. Cheers. Chen Chen.
Ch. Chen chen.
It's delicious. Very. That's good. Yeah.
You you were paid to say that. Uh yeah.
This I I always remember I rang a friend
and uh I said, "Hey, like what are you
doing today? What you tell me about what
you've done today." Oh man, living the
dream. Took the bins out this morning.
It's been raining all day. You know that
classic British sort of sort of banter
though it is. But it feels to me like it
be careful sort of what you pretend to
be because you are what you pretend to
be in some ways and uh rarely that's
Kurt Vonagget rarely
you it's hard to reverse that like
people bond in the UK over this sense of
shared suffering over this sense that
that things are sort of a little bit
crap and not necessarily well you have
to make them better then yep I think so
all is I don't like whining although
we're doing a bit a bit at the moment a
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