Video summary
Amanda Brock opens her presentation by sharing personal anecdotes and historical milestones to illustrate the evolution of technology and society over the past fifty years. She begins with a story about Eddie Izzard's performance at the Edinburgh Festival, noting the coincidence that he read a line from *Great Expectations* exactly 150 years after Charles Dickens was born in the same room, highlighting how anniversaries and numbers often resonate deeply within the open source community. This theme of time is further explored through a timeline starting in 1969, which marks the moon landing, the Stonewall riots, and crucially, the first RFC that laid the groundwork for the modern internet. Brock contrasts the massive mainframe computers of the late sixties with the home computers of the eighties and the transformative arrival of smartphones and apps in 2008, emphasizing how true connectivity has fundamentally changed our daily lives and work environments.
The core of her argument shifts to the definition of open source, moving beyond legalistic concepts like licenses and warranties to focus on collaboration as its true essence. Brock recounts her early career at Dixons working on FreeServe, a groundbreaking project that allowed users to stop paying monthly subscription fees for internet access, and later discusses her time at Canonical where she helped establish OpenStack. She addresses the contentious issue of software patents, explaining how large corporations have built up "armories" of patents to enforce monopolies, often leading to costly litigation that stifles innovation. To counter this, she champions the Open Invention Network (OIN), a cross-licensing initiative where companies agree not to sue each other regarding patents used in open source projects, citing Microsoft's recent commitment to join OIN as a significant step toward fostering a more cooperative ecosystem.
Looking toward the future, Brock envisions a world dominated by artificial intelligence, autonomous vehicles, and robotics, where software underpins almost every aspect of life from banking to healthcare. However, she warns that as these technologies become more integrated into critical infrastructure, the associated risks and liabilities will grow exponentially. She introduces Trustable, a project aimed at managing this liability by focusing on engineering processes rather than static code snapshots, arguing that good practices should be measurable and auditable to make insurance accessible for smaller companies. Ultimately, she concludes that open source is not just a technical movement but a cultural one that is "eating the world," and she expresses hope that through continued collaboration and responsible development, society can navigate the complexities of this autonomous future while ensuring inclusivity and safety for everyone.
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so i've done something i never do
you have to bear with me a bit to see
how this works out i've got a load of
slides
i never really have many slides and the
slides are a bit different because most
of them
are off of my phone and their personal
pictures that i've taken in the last few
years
um i'm going to try and get through
these and have a hell of a lot of slides
in half an hour and then leave a good 10
minutes for us all to talk
and you're gonna have to bear with me
because it's kind of a story that i want
to share with you and some of it is
actually very personal about my
my time in open source so everybody
wants to rule the world
i assume this audience is old enough to
know what i'm talking about
1986 1985 actually the first concert i
ever went to first proper concert
tears for fears at the glasgow apollo
balcony actually jumped up and down with
us
it closed shortly afterwards so you
probably didn't expect me to start with
eddie izzard when i'm talking about
uh software and it's a very bad picture
it was taken last sunday morning at 11
o'clock at the edinburgh festival
and it was brilliant eddie was
doing a performance of great
expectations
and he was doing that because he's just
done the audiobook of great expectations
which is 20 odd hours long
and his older brother mark has abridged
it to one hour 20.
so eddie did 55 minutes of great
expectations from this abridged version
reading and then 25 minutes where he
just performed
and it was absolutely amazing and it was
an incredible performance but it was
also really touching
because eddie was fixated by numbers
so he was born 150 years to the day that
dickens was born
and we were sitting in a room called the
music room in the assembly halls in
glasgow on george
edinburgh edinburgh festival on george
street um
150 years to the day earlier was the
last time that dickens had read
in that room from one of his books so
clearly eddie had sort of blackmailed
the festival people to put this on at
the last minute we got tickets a couple
of days before which is how it happened
and some of what i'm going to talk about
is about anniversaries and numbers
which is why this really brought things
to mind
he also read a line that pip said and
i also never speak with notes but i've
got a couple of quotes which i don't do
either
and i'll get them wrong so pip says
tomorrow was staring me in the face
with a stronger gaze than i and i kind
of think that's where we are as a
society now
and it really stuck with me it really
resonated it tied into the things i've
been thinking about for the last
weeks and months with trustable and
other projects i'm working on
and there was one other thing so this
community
really sucks we suck at including people
from all sorts of diverse backgrounds
and it'd be really nice if things change
nobody's got a magic wand but i'm sure
we're at a point where we're moving into
a future where it will
but it was lovely being in that room and
seeing a man get on stage dressed as he
was
without the very conservative audience
in edinburgh that he was
presenting to batting an eyelid so it
really meant a lot in a lot of different
ways
now who else was in this room in january
and who can spot my obvious mistake
yeah i would imagine a few of you were
despite having been told people wouldn't
be
it's a really up and open source looking
around this room i'm guessing you will
be
so the deliberate mistake is the
spelling of john there shouldn't be an h
in it
uh this is the closing keynote at fosdem
everybody know what foster is so that's
how i
started my year and i start almost every
year for stem with 8000 software
developers
you can usually spot me because i stick
out like a sore thumb
this room was absolutely rammed
full of people there was standing room
only what you can't see is behind where
i took this photograph from there were
lines of people and it was kind of
amazing because
mad dog was doing the closing keynote
and in particular he was talking about
anniversaries
so he started with a photograph of his
godson who's brazilian
there was no particular reason that he
did it but he did it to share the love
so i'm going to introduce you today to
ronan who's really pleased to be in my
deck
ronan is my nephew he's seven he lives
in scotland in a place called perth
and he does a much better deck than i do
who knew kids do powerpoint at seven in
school
so uh roland's gonna actually feature as
we go through my deck
a little bit um but what john
was talking about what mad dog was
talking about with anniversaries
and in particular the number 50
because this year it's 50 years since he
became a unix developer
and he was talking about a lot of other
anniversaries including the fact that uh
linux version 1.0 was 25 they always
sign osi definition of 21.
and this gentleman this is probably the
worst photograph i have of myself so
you're really honored that i'm sharing
it with you
this gentleman on the left i'm guessing
everybody in the room knows linus
tervales
linus is 50 in december as is not in
december but this year
um jim zemlin who runs the linux
foundation
and as am i unfortunately or perhaps
unsurprisingly i didn't make mad dogs
lists of things that are important in
open source and 50 this year
really sadly no women did so if we go
back 50 years
what was happening in 69 so in march we
had the
the bedding the loving in amsterdam john
and yoko
that led on through june to one of the
things that um
mad dog referenced the stonewall riots
then the summer of love and woodstock
and of course
the moon landing now if anybody hasn't
seen this exhibition in london at the
the science museum it's absolutely
fantastic
of course that's apollo 10 not 11. but
they do they have a whole
uh a bunch of stuff around apollo 11
that's brilliant too
so 50 years ago all of this was going on
but other stuff was going on and this is
my
co-director open uk and fran stewart's
uh stuart mcintosh's screen that i took
a picture of
does anybody know what that is
so it's from 1969 as i'm sure you can
spot all over the place and it actually
starts in april i focused on august
because it's one of my birthdays
and it's a discussion on rfc which
effectively
started the the internet um
everything that's discussed in this chat
later went on to become what we know
today is the internet
so effectively it's 50 years old as well
of course pre-69 a lot had gone on to
get us to that stage
and in the 60s we had these massive
computers now i'm sure somebody in this
room is going to tell me what this is
because i'm not good on this front
but the the way mad dog described these
massive mainframe computers back in
brussels
was that computers were physically huge
and logically small
memory measured in kilobytes disk
measured megabytes and programs around
one at a time
not something that would work very well
in our world today
we move on to the 70s things start to
get smaller the 80s
we're starting to see home computers the
zx spectrums are put away
for those of you who are around you
might recognize that okay i took it in
2015 not 1985
but uh we started to really look forward
in the 80s to what the future was going
to bring
and to look at lots of technological
advancements that maybe we're living
with today
in my case i got obsessed with pac-man
and i was told by the the male teacher
at school who taught me to code that i
should avoid computers for the rest of
my life
um by the 90s i was learning to word
process in one of these
and then the naughties and the naughties
for me was really when things started to
change
so as laura said i've been a lawyer for
25 years
and my legal career really started in
the late 90s when i
moved in-house with a company called
dixons who you probably all know on the
high street
and i moved into dixon's to work on free
serve i was part of a team
of 12 that was a management team that
set up pre-serve
you've probably worked out i like free
stuff and the thing with free serve was
you stopped having to pay a monthly
subscription to go online
it was pretty groundbreaking it's time
and it was ipo'd it was
the first and biggest ipo in the dot-com
bubble in europe
for between 1.3 and 1.5 billion and uh
sold later for 1.6 billion
and for me what was important about that
was i saw a lot of stuff i was very
privileged as a
you know sort of not really
a fully signed up geek but somebody
working on the periphery
i got to see a lot of stuff that i
thought you could never imagine
i went to paris on a business trip we
went to the marie and they showed as a
fridge
and in 2000 this fridge could connect
and stock manage your content of your
fridge
connect to the supermarkets order from
the supermarket
it could provide you recipes for the
food it could make sure that it was all
fully nutritious and balanced for you
and it could deal with your payments
except the problem was that you could
put it in people's houses and the
internet existed but it was crap
it just didn't do anything fast enough
so what really has changed for me around
the internet is the fact that we have
true connectivity now and that's a
critical factor where we've got to with
technology and where we're going
uh this is my phone somebody in the room
can probably
correct me i think it's from 2003. i
know it was before i left dixon's
the first phone i ever had was in 1996.
94. i was a trainee solicitor in london
and they asked if anyone would like to
go to cornwall on a friday
so i put my hand up they were going to
send me to cornwall and pay for it
and what i was going to do was to attach
something called an anton pillar order
to a spanish trawler
and you had to go and hammer it on um so
i went because i got a weekend in
cornwall by the time i got to cornwall
somebody met me because apparently it
was terribly dangerous
and i was met back up the policeman to
do it with me but i had a mobile phone
it was about this big
and it was the only time anybody had
ever let me use one
almost 10 years later i had one of these
i sometimes switch this on because i've
still got the charger just to look up a
number
because they're all still on there
um this obviously is not from 2008 if
you look at what the apps are but it's
the front screen of my iphone
um i probably got hung for admit and
i've got one
i live by the app if anything happens to
my phone my life just
is destroyed i cannot cope without the
ability to
do my banking probably give me too much
data
and i play pokemon um everything that i
do is on this phone
now when that was invented in 2008 i
worked at canonical
and jane silber our ceo went out to buy
one
and we were fascinated none of us had
seen anything like it
and that was without apps there was
nothing to do on it it wasn't really
much more than a phone with internet
now can anybody name these three
i don't know what to call them so you
can identify the people and the dummies
separately
um these three icons mascots can anybody
identify those
jelly bean ice cream sandwich honeycomb
so this is not 2008 the photo
but the first release of android was
this is at mountain view and the
the sort of campus at google um
and of course in 2008 i joined canonical
and i
this is something i've talked many times
about but when i joined i thought i knew
what open source meant
and i could write you a lawyer's
definition of it and i could put
warranties and things in contracts about
it but i had no clue
and i had no clue for a very long time
and i'm still in a constant learning
curve about it
um i think canonical is a seminal
company because
when we look now at cloud i'm told and
i'd need to go and check somehow the
starts that the highest
instances of um
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an os on any cloud provider across all
cloud providers is still ubuntu
and some of the technology in ubuntu at
that time and
still today is really groundbreaking the
involvement i had with canonical took me
into
openstack in 2012 i was part of what was
called the drafting committee the legal
committee that set open stack up
and we looked at things like ip and
anti-trust and competition policies to
allow all these big companies to come
together and work together
and i i think that's an interesting
story maybe
but what's more interesting is that one
of the things that's really really
changed is cloud
so if you add up these phones
the internet and cloud
what you get is the ability for a
seven-year-old child to walk into a shop
in the center of london
pick up a device he's never seen before
that isn't his
go on and start to tap and someone open
a program for him
and be able to code in the middle of a
retail environment
that is just unimaginable but that's
today that's what we're living in
um i'm not going to go through this in
any detail because i've got slightly
less time to talk than i was going to
and i actually think that this room
knows what software is
i also think you know what those are and
how you get from one to the other
and who this guy is so
for me software isn't just about
the code and the licenses and for
lawyers for a long long time what we
focused on
is things like the osi definition the
four freedoms
and what that means in terms of licenses
being approved as open source or not
i think it's about much much more and i
think today
what it's about is collaboration that's
gone from hobbyists people doing stuff
in their bedrooms
which were potentially world changing to
organizations showing huge respect for
that and committing massive amounts of
funding to ensure
that those brilliant developers get to
do that brilliant development all over
the world
and we've taught the world how to
collaborate
so i and all the other people i know
who've been doing this kind of stuff
around open source for a long time are
being asked constantly
by many many sectors if we can tell them
and explain to them and show them and
give them documents and help them to
develop
collaboration because they just don't
know how to do it and it's not easy for
big companies to do it
and i think that collaboration is
absolutely critical
to the future and where we're going
so i might not go into the detail on the
the coding side but i will go into a
little bit of detail on software
patterns because i can't resist
um this is a very old slide i've used
this for about a decade
and software patents are a difficult
topic
a patent is something that protects
innovation
and is designed to reward innovation
it's a monopoly when you've got it it's
not like any other ip right
intellectual property right it's a way
of stopping anybody else
using the same idea now i will happily
say that my personal view is that
software patents shouldn't exist
i personally did not study patents as a
lawyer
in any of the universities i ever
studied in because i thought they were
irrelevant to anything to do with what
we do
however they exist and oin the
organization i'm going to talk about is
absolutely agnostic
so i'm not representing their views
that monopoly right was given as a
reward and to encourage innovation
and what's happened is that it's got a
very different path
and today what we've seen is these large
companies that have spent decades
using the ability to register software
patents to build up armories
i first came across i've told you i'm
not a patent lawyer i first came across
uh patents not through a troll but
through a major organization who built
up one of those armories around 2000
and they approached a company that i was
involved with
and they had this big long screed of
paper
and it was that old-fashioned computer
paper that used to perforate and tear
not like you'd see today and they just
gave me this reams and rims of paper
with lists and lists of the patterns we
were infringing
and then they gave me a letter that told
us to cease and desist or pay this much
now that was a practicing entity that
was a company that actually
did stuff in the technology sector and
which was
charging other organizations a license
fee for using those patents
a troll is a different thing a troll's a
non-practicing entity so a company that
only owns the patents so that it can
enforce it
um this looks more like the troll my dad
had in his car in the 60s which i'm
rather attached to again another old
slide that anybody who's heard me speak
about patents and the last 10 years
or eight years has probably seen um i
think this is from 2011 or 2012.
so it's not surprising when you've got
companies that have built up these
armories
seeing disruption come
towards them that their response is to
use the tools and the weapons that
they've got
and what they've used as patents because
they're sitting there as something
that's a really
hard stop a patent litigation on average
in the us costs 200 million dollars
not many people can afford to do that
and not many people have
the insurance to cover that risk if you
were a lawyer like me and you'd be
looking at warranties and indemnities
around ip for the last decade you would
see increasingly
that people just won't take on liability
for patents if they can avoid it because
it is such a high risk
um i work for no shame about this i i
work for the open invention network and
i have since
i left canonical in 2013. prior to that
i took canonical in to the open
invention network
as a paying funder a board member and
associate board member
and we put several million into oin as
opposed to registering our own patents
and the registration process is slow
and it's expensive so we decided to
support the community instead
i believed very strongly in this so i
stayed involved afterwards and what
owing does
very very simply is
at zero cost and whether you hold
patents or not
anybody any company can sign up it's all
online we have no control over who signs
and who doesn't
everybody signs the same license as
non-negotiable no matter
what you know how big or small a company
you are you sign the same thing or you
don't sign
and it creates a cross-license where
each company says to the rest of that
group
i won't sue you i won't sue you in
relation to any patents that i have that
you might infringe
to the extent that they're used in open
source and read on this definition the
definition is a list that started as
linux
it's now over 2000 packages so 48 hours
ago
um please i'll google this later
microsoft made a commitment around this
um last october microsoft signed up to
oin
so if you go online it takes about 10
minutes and you sign up
you will have access to the microsoft
patents that read on the open source
definition at zero cost
the exfat patents which a lot of the
microsoft litigation has been around
were not covered by that definition and
the announcement 48 hours ago
is that it will be added this year that
anybody who signs up will now also have
a free license to the expat patents
if you go and read about it you'll see
that there's some of the most
controversial patents for open source
and a lot of the litigation's been
around them there are companies like
panasonic listed in articles
is having to spend huge amounts of money
three
five years ago to take those licenses
so on does a lot of great work and i'd
encourage everybody to sign up to it if
you haven't please feel free to ask me
any questions about it
but part of what for me
is really important there is its
collaboration
is open source meeting the world by
collaborating so going back to
where we've got to today 2019 this is
actually another great exhibition this
is in dundee at the v
a and it's the gaming exhibition which
is really fab
um my life at least and i think
everybody else's is a screen
we're looking at blockchain wondering if
it's going to be the next web
wishing we'd bought cryptocurrency
earlier before it went up in price
and most of us lived by the app
the app has become something useful that
we need every day
we need to have a device
at the same time we're at risk and we're
at risk of our data
and what we get to see online being
controlled by the big tech
companies we live in a world
where i think this is age 8 plus kids
are given boxes that teach them how to
code and it's nothing
strange it's nothing abnormal
so back to ronan in the apple store on
regent street
um i discovered how competitive my
nephew is when
he had just coded this little sphere
which is a little robot to go around an
obstacle course and a boy put his foot
in the way
and you can imagine that get out of the
way response which she was told not to
do
and to be polite so the next time you
get out of the way please
he did quite well i was proud of him so
that is
as it says a future and it's a future
that's now
i'm hoping that it's beginning to come
together that all of these things
have created a world that we live in
today and they all have software
underlying them the future who knows
what it's going to be
um we're going to find that we have
robots we have a.i
we're going to have medicine and bionic
people rebuilt
using electronics we're not going to
need to go to shops because a bot will
deliver
or a drone will drop something to us
within an hour or two
the vehicles will be driverless whether
they're private or they're public this
is great
so one of the jobs that's not listed for
me on this is i'm
the chair of an advisory group for the
united nations for
their um innovation labs and this is a
little bus
in helsinki that they're about to
actually release on the streets but
which is out
in this campus uh very environmentally
friendly and a much better way
to be transported than anything we've
been doing until now and of course we'll
do more and more research
using these things perhaps in the future
the women in the room won't be such a
minority and there won't be a need to
even mention it
so who knows where this future is going
to go very appropriate with all you
space guys in the room i didn't know you
were going to be here
um i believe
that there is no doubt today that it's
going to be open source
so software is eating the world and open
source is eating its lunch as they
they say in the us um the reality is
that the
adoption of open source in the last year
has just
gone through the roof i think it's
something i'm not good with numbers but
i think it's something like 76
of companies now admit to using open
source
and over 50 are saying that they're
going to set up some sort of governance
and open source office
um i did this deck before the microsoft
announcement
but this is my mate steve wally
keynoting last year
at linux foundation and quoting his ceo
asking to be judged by their actions of
today and when a company like microsoft
is doing that
open source is here so
briefly because this is where i get
technical again
trustable is um a project looking
at software and what it's looking at
is everything i've just talked to you
about where
all of this stuff is coming together to
create a new world
that we're all gonna live in the space
odyssey is here
so all of these devices that are sitting
in your homes
um i will admit that i have alexa we
don't get on very well but i have her
she doesn't like scottish people she
doesn't understand when i instruct her
to do things
so i fight with her a lot but i have
these kind of devices scattered around
my house
i'm sure many of you do too this is our
future and it
is just going to go further and further
who knows
whether children like ronan are going to
have jobs whether there's going to be
enough work left for them to do
with an autonomous future and the more
software that's out there
the more we have to trust it and the
more we don't know
where it's going so i always liken this
to a construction dispute of old
you get a bunch of builders working on
your house so your office or whatever it
is
and something goes wrong what you will
find is it's nobody's fault
whether the roof has caved in and killed
somebody or the building just
isn't watertight everybody points the
finger at somebody else
and that's where we're going to end up
in software
the problem is the risks are the same
and the risks are growing day by day so
what we have is a world where
software potentially will cause death
it will cause personal injury it will
cause doubt administer property
loss of income loss of earnings the list
goes on but the classic legal
liabilities that all of us would look at
for
anything practical today will move to
the software space
now i've had the fortune or misfortune
to spend 25 years reviewing contracts
around that kind of stuff
and as the adoption increases
so does the liability
except these days you're looking at lots
of small companies with no resources
behind them
being asked to sign up to contracts with
liabilities
five ten million even if it's a couple
of million they don't have it
and you can't really easily buy
insurance around that
so this project was set up three years
ago by code think i know there's at
least one person in the room from code
thing
i don't know if there are others but i
would welcome you very much to talk more
about this when we get to questions in a
few minutes
this project was set up three years ago
as an engineering project
focusing on what makes software
engineering good
so one of the problems around liability
is if you try to capture software at a
moment in time
it is a moment in time and 10 minutes
later 10 hours later 10 days later
you're looking at a different piece of
software
so the best way to manage liability
would be not to look at software
but to look at the engineering processes
and to try and work out
what it is that makes engineering good
what is acceptable what state of the art
what's good practice
and if you look in the gitlab the
trustable git lab account you'll see a
lot of good work that's been done
pulling all of that together i got
involved end of last year beginning of
this year and brought
into the project some work had done in
the past thinking
around how you can then take that
engineering
and add to those good engineering
practices legal and compliance
and find a way to get everybody working
around those without creating formal
standards
so that we have something that's
measurable self-certifiable and
auditable
and the goal is to set that up in a way
that we can
demonstrate to insurance companies that
you're doing the right thing
and to make insurance more accessible
there's a complexity that is not for a
friday afternoon
which i think is my thought of genius
that's probably the only really smart
thought i've ever had
which is to get a captive sitting behind
all of this and a captive is a kind of
insurance company
so when you buy insurance the insurers
take your money but they don't
cover all the risk what they'll do is
they'll sell that on down a line of
reinsurers
underwriters and um that the risk is
underwritten by them
instead of doing that what you see in
many companies and a couple that i've
worked for
is that they own their own captive
insurer so they go out and they buy
insurance and it's fronted by an
insurance company and then sitting
behind it as their own money
so if they can manage the upfront risk
the risk at the back end
is manageable too so i have this mad
idea that we should ask the big tech
folks to put their money into a pool
captive across all of them
once we've got to a stage of being able
to demonstrate that the engineering is
good that our software is reasonable
so that they can help support every
other company that's working in the
software space
and i let it be able to buy insurance um
it's complicated it's probably a topic
that you
if you're interested in will want to
talk to me offline about or
come to something where we're talking
about nothing but that but at this stage
in a friday afternoon this is what the
structure looks like
and this is out of focus so um this is
off my tea the other day i started
drinking these yogi teas that give me
messages and i like the messages
the ties to the tea bag and it says
speak to make yourself happy don't speak
to impress others
would anybody like to speak
make yourself happy no yes
maybe okay it's like the friday so i do
have a couple more slides
i'm happy to have more of a group
discussion
um i'm probably really not meant to talk
about this
but we all know what's going on in
london at the moment and
i've come up from there this morning
margaret atwood i think from the
handmaid's tale i found it on facebook
so somebody's probably manipulating my
views
it's worrying but on tuesdays the
politician's first day back at the house
of commons and we are having a party in
the house of commons
launching an event series for open uk
and
i have one ticket if anybody in this
room would like to go we will take names
and pull them out of a hat you've got to
get yourself to london
there will be food there will be drinks
you will be in the building with the
politicians some of them might stop by
who knows
in theory we leave the building at 10
o'clock but somebody's got to run the
country
and that's it so thank you very much for
having me if
anybody wants to talk more about any of
this stuff i know it's been a bit of a
ramble and wide ranging
i can pretty much promise you that
that's a unique talk and not something
i'll be doing again because
everybody else is not on a friday
afternoon in yorkshire thinking about
beer
thank you
you