Everton Season Preview 26/27

Welcome to Toffee TV. This is the season preview. The Premier League season is upon us again. The stress-free nights are seem to be gone. The worry about Premier League points is back, Pat. Um How are you feeling going We can cover the other bits and but I What are you sort of feeling with, you know, just a couple of days to go before it begins? >> Um I don't know. >> [laughter] >> I think because I think because the window's still open, it's it's not It's It's a weird one, isn't it? It still feels like there's work to be done. And there is lots of work to be done and and This is what This is when they're planning to do it. >> [laughter] >> So, um the squad's not complete. But, yeah. I mean Not not too bad. I mean, I think it helps that I think it It shouldn't be anything to worry about, but I think I think because the the three teams that have come up look weak. >> [snorts] >> Say that now, but they do look They look look like like a weak three. I think that will That sort of just alleviates that little fear in the back of your head. And And I think I think Yeah, it's just about building on 32 games we played last season. >> Like the other six off. >> Um Yeah, yeah, and and just build bit bit trying to look at the positive side of things and think if it goes the other way, then you know, we've got a chance of Europe. >> What What do you make of the overall squad depth? I know I'm acutely aware there's a big bear in hole at right back that needs filling very quickly. But, in general, when you look at the squad, where Where do the where are you with it? Are you >> Are we weaker or stronger? Where are we? >> I think we're stronger. But we're but but we're still as weak in some positions and we're a year older. I worry about the defensive, I'm honest. I think Moyes has got this idea that it's that it's almost like strong, but I don't I don't or it's one of the stronger parts of his team. I I personally don't see that. I think we've got no right back as as Patterson we recall. I think that'll change, but we need two right backs. That's That's one of those things It's all hilarious. It's like we haven't got a right back, but we need two right backs because you need depth in the Premier League and I I don't I don't necessarily agree with this idea of uh you know Koulibaly and plays in there. No matter how good they are because I feel like I feel I feel like if if you take a player from from another position and you're weakening in that position then. So, you need rather than saying, "Well, we we we can have eight center midfielders and two of them can play right back." Why not have six center midfielders and two right backs? So I think from that point of view center back I think at left back I think the gap between the two of them is I think this backup left back has so much better attributes than the starting left back, but I also don't think Asnew is ready to play games like every week cuz he's still very raw. So, it's an odd one and I think the center backs I've no idea the Michael Keane thing. I just don't get at all now. I think that's that's that's done and I think I think J wants to play center center back, but he has to play games and I think Tarky's got to the top and is on the way down now. So, it could all change and then obviously you've got I'll keep him Branthwaite fit and everything. And I think that'll be But that's what worries me is that I do think Branthwaite will be not I think he'll be you We're We're lucky I think >> He'll be managed. >> Apart from the cup games, I don't think we play a midweek game till December. >> Right, so. >> So, so I think from that point of view, I think I don't think it's too bad. I think he can play week to week. But if they do think Look at him one week and go, "Well, mhm we haven't got a like-for-like." >> So, I'd have liked to have Shelby take over Brian. >> It should be, but it's not. >> Because of the pace, though. >> Yeah, but it should be, but it's not. He's not a like-for-like. He's not good on the ball. >> no, I know what you mean. I mean, if it's never Branthwaite, it has to be J. >> But then then And then But it's it's the balance, isn't it? It's It's >> For me, I think we should have gone and got a left-sided center back, a young left-sided center back that that can learn the role while not being in the team, and is someone you can bring in. Cuz otherwise, you're always going to fit that in. And actually I I don't really like J on the left-hand side. And And then as I said, you're losing that player who's got the ability on the ball. I just think they've I think we need one more. And I don't like this. I think it's classic Moyes to be like, "Well, we've got four. And And I trust two of them. And And I'll trust three of them, but I trust Michael Keane. And I trust Tarky." Like that's to me I I don't like that way of thinking. I think we should have got to gone and got another one. So, I think defensively, I think I think we haven't looked as weak in a while, I think, defensively. But But he'll obviously set us up >> Mhm. >> in a way that Well, he did try that last season. And certainly I think like set pieces, we were terrible. >> Yeah. >> You know, how many goals we conceded off set pieces was was abysmal. And I know I know things will have changed behind the scenes. We've got a new coach. We've got different programs and things. But I think it's easier to teach like younger players those things rather than, you know, old dogs. Yeah, I mean listen and the Yerry having four center backs and Michael Keane's number four, you go, okay. Injuries happen as we saw last he was fourth choice last season he played 28 games or something 29 games so because of injuries and because of the right back. Now you'd like to think Jake will just be considered as a center back but that's what the lad wants so therefore if they did the right back first, you're absolutely right about Seamus Coleman. You know, couple of people took issue with me saying Mason Holgate's done well at right back the other day. I think Mason Holgate has done well at right back but Mason Holgate isn't a right back. He's a midfield player so every time we take him from midfield and put him at right back, we're weakening his position because he wants to play in midfield cuz that's what he is so you need a specialist one I've said. I'd have I'd have got Hector Bellerin out of Barca, 8 and 1/2 million quid, 20 years old, loads of potential, can play right back, left back, can play he he was a he was a winger, he's good on the ball. You know, good physique and then still try to get me number one or me number two target and then you I've got to, you know, and if it was having to be linked with Santiago Arias for agency. He's 30 so and he's excellent and he's a warrior and all of that stuff and he'd be he'd really improve Everton, there's no question about that. But then if you had another one then there could be games where if he's lacking a little bit, you can go right with you're sitting on a bench with this one and this lad's playing and that's how you develop it. I'd like to see that, I don't think they will but that's that's how I'd like to see it. >> that with Asmir. [clears throat] Didn't he? So so what's the Do you know what I mean? >> Yeah, yeah. >> If you were to say we're bringing this young lad in and he might get he might play in some games and he might but he's going to be back up and we're going to build him up for the he's going to be the long term replacement but we're probably also making money on him. >> Yeah. >> Then then that makes sense and I don't for me I don't understand why that isn't like why they haven't done that anyway, why if there's an opportunity like we saw with Asnew last season, why they haven't just taken that opportunity and gone, "Well, you know what? We're going to go." And then if they did bring a 30-year-old right back in on a two two like on a two-year-one. Like they've done with Nou Camp type, everyone would just go, "That makes sense." >> that. >> That makes total sense. And they haven't, they've just like but then that's that stage you're in the direction that maybe they're going for the middle ground and they're looking for someone who's young and has got a longer longer shelf life. >> got the if they got Doig? >> Yeah. >> And they're still in the fight cuz he's not gone nowhere. You've still got a chance. If they got him he's 24. And there's obviously the pair he's the number one that they want. He's almost like the perfect profile. So he's a you look at him and go, "Well, you get [clears throat] him and he's your right back for a few years, but you still should have another one." >> Yeah. >> 100%. >> Cuz if he gets injured you're back to square one or if he's tired or he's coming into a new league or whatever. But you've also got to have competition, this is the thing. And for me with that Hector Force Patterson if Everton got three or four million for Nathan Patterson, he's a he's a bloody playing the World Cup the Premier League defender, he's 24. If you could get three or four million for him if they should be able to. You know only paying essentially like four and a half million for Hector Force who's 20 and coming into a show. Yeah, I don't I don't understand why we haven't sort of pursued that one. Um and especially if you know, if they did end up with a a Castagne or someone like that who's 30. Do you know what I mean? And you'd have a young one a 28-year-old and a 30-year-old to play there. So it was in midfield sense obviously that's probably where Everton are the strongest. They're still on strings here and Sim E de Boone and we'll see how that's going late into the window I imagine because he's Yeah, I believe he isn't that far away from fitness anyway, so I don't see all the teams who'll probably come back for him. Carlos Alcaraz is is one who I don't know whether he'll end up staying or he won't stay, in, central mid with the addition of Norgaard and Hayden Hackney obviously is is quite a That looks quite strong on paper, doesn't it? >> In numbers, yeah. >> Mhm. >> Do you mean numbers? >> Mhm. >> Um Yeah, I I think yeah, Tim said it all summer really. I think he should he should move on. >> Uh yeah, there's an opportunity, isn't it, to change it round a little bit with Norgaard sitting in front of the back four. Um And then you've got Hackney who can do the same job, but can also play higher. Same with James Garner. And we've got loads of options. I'm just going back to like Meite and Rowe. Where does Meite and Rowe fit in and where does Hassen and Armstrong fit in? But I think what they'll all do is push each other and and it'll promote good competition. >> Yeah. >> I think Jewison All is, you know, your number one certainty in there. >> Yeah. >> And I think I mean I On paper it looks like it'll be James Garner, Norgaard, and and Jewison All, but I do think that Hassen and Armstrong will push them. And I think, you know, over the course of the season Hayden Hackney will push them as well. So, um Yeah, I think Carlos Alcaraz, yeah, I don't he just doesn't look like he's I don't I don't know I think maybe he's a victim of like not quite understanding what his role is in the team as well. >> Yeah. >> Um >> I think Jewison All did so well off the striker that that sort of took Alcaraz's up and he was injured a bit quite a bit of last season as well. >> he's Yeah, I mean it's a weird he even just like even like Norgaard James Garner, Jewison All is also just like a little sort of even that doesn't look it I don't know it doesn't feel it doesn't feel exactly right, are they? You feel like the one the one who should be in between should be I don't know, bit of a maybe different different skill sets James Garner, but I don't I don't know how it's going to work out, whether he's going to keep like sort of a double pivot again or or is he going to trust Noble to just play >> Just do it. >> on his own. So, it's it's going to be interesting. >> And that's if Noble plays every game, of course. >> Yeah. But, I get the feeling he will. Just because I think like it's Would you not say though that with them six they're all probably going to be players the manager trusts, which is a bit >> I think now Yeah, I think now they do. I think >> I think Harrison Ashby has been a >> Yeah. >> I think I think he does trust trust them. >> Mhm. >> Um And he's um you know, with Maelan as Maelan role as well. >> Mhm. >> So, there's plenty in there. Um It'll just be down to his insistence of the makeup is and how he changes it round. I think by saying Hayden Hackney is not quite ready, I think we all sort of envisage that anyway. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Um but it's up and all that. >> Well, we got players now. We should What What it does is he puts the pressure on Moyes to say, "Well, after an hour then you better start making changes. >> Yeah. >> You better start changing things up. You better be the first to make a sub rather than let it drag on and drag on and drag on. And that that's something we've we've moaned about. We moaned about last season, sorry. And it got us into the situation we were in with the with the seven games to go with >> Mhm. >> players looking looking out on their feet. And he's got to start making those calls. And I think that's where managers now are uh are making their money. It's something you know, we saw one move to the other club is is They got very, very good at changing 16. It's a 16 player game now. >> Yeah. >> Isn't it? >> That's what it is. >> Every week it's 16 in the squad. >> You've got to have the bottle. Like you've got to be prepared to say And you've got to know when to as well cuz I I think Moyes last season got in his own head for when players came on. The first five minutes he was like the first five minutes they're going to be all over the place. And sometimes they were. >> Mhm. >> But, you've got to just let play You've got to know when to bring them on and when is the right time to bring them on so that that first five minutes isn't like a huge moment in the game and he's got That's where Moyes has got to earn his money this year is is is is bringing them on and when he brings them on and that's not just in the center of park, that's obviously in the wider areas as well. >> Well, I was just moving on to that with the season ahead is like the wider areas obviously at the moment we've got An J Deblanc, on the other side we've got Patrick Church. >> Mhm. >> You're looking at short and Brennan Johnson of course who who is I mean everything coming out of the club is a replacement for Dwight McNeil so he's not a wide he's not being seen as a winger so to speak. >> So there's obviously the Jack Grealish issue as in Everton's plan is to still bring him back. >> But obviously there's a thing hanging over An J Eleven and An J as well you know City have just sold Savino so those stories have started again now with An J. Two things on it. One, would you be happy with Grealish replacing An J? And two, are are you if Grealish does come back or he doesn't are you happy with the options in the wider areas? >> Well I'll answer the second question first. As it stands then >> As it Well as it stands right now >> if the window shut would you be happy with them options? >> I I think yeah I think I'm I think I probably would you know I think I think there's I think with Brennan Johnson and An J I think you've got It's not loads of experience let's not forget him An J is going to be third he's third season in the Premier League and I think it'll be Brennan Johnson's like fourth season in the Premier League. So they're not like they're not there's not loads of experience but but there's enough experience. And I think I've seen seen enough of George and now we're starting to see a little bit of Deblanc. And I'd also throw Ashley into the mix there of someone who could play maybe a little bit higher up in games um if you needed them. But but And then it comes to again it all comes back to the what we just said there about Moise. If Greelish does come in and you've suddenly got five, let's say. >> Mhm. >> It's more to do with Moise. It's more to do with if exactly the signs for Evan Jack you would expect to play every single game. >> Mhm. >> And then it's all do you take him off after 70 minutes? >> Mhm. >> Is it the same with Elman Jai? Or are you going to do exactly the same? Do you trust your wide men or do you or are you going to flog them? And that's where it comes down to Moise again. So it it doesn't really matter like we've had these discussions for all week. It's like it doesn't really matter. It's all comes down to Moise can say as much as he wants about it having a squad. >> Mhm. >> But if he doesn't use the squad he's got then it's it's null and void. Um I can I can see someone coming in for Elman Jai in the next two weeks. I think City, Manchester United >> And possibly >> Yeah. And possibly Arsenal, yeah. And it'll be it'll be just be interesting to see what Everton's position is on it considering how late it is. But then it's like well we've got how far down the line are we with Greelish? Is it just a case of picking up a phone and just getting it done? Is it Is that where we are or is it Is it more complicated cuz the last thing and maybe it might be a case of if there is an inquiry about Elman Jai and they're they're willing to take it but then can they get Greelish done first and then and then get Yeah, I still think that's got something to I still think because I think I still think when Elman Jai is saying he wants to stay in the Premier League sort of makes me think that he knows that maybe there's something coming. Um So it'll be that will be interesting. I still think yeah, I still think that that that's >> that's as far as you ask for a replacement though. >> I don't know. I mean I was prepared to sell him and Jay and I sort of still am, but the money has to be. >> Yeah, but was for the money was that not with the replacements in mind? >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The money has to be the money has to be over in a place where Everton can get some quality in. Um I don't know who you'd I think I think if it's Grealish and with all the other players we've got, then I think I think you'd have four wingers in there. Do you really need five? That's the question, isn't it? Do you really need five? >> But but it look even if Demarai Demarai's nothing if that doesn't even go anywhere cuz no one's going to pay what Everton wants, which is which is fine. A lot of people will be delighted with that. That's fine. And Everton's plan is still to get Jack Grealish. We're we're going to have five anyway, aren't we? So that's what I'm saying is Brennan, you know, Brennan's going to be and Johnson maybe off the right or off the off the striker or maybe as the striker at times or it's you know what I mean? It isn't it isn't interesting. You know, it all comes down to people will say and rightly so, well, you can have 30 men squad but the manager is only interested in 15 or 14 cuz he doesn't want to use them. What's the point? And then obviously up front there's loads of debate about the striker, loads still. Personally I think Keinan Keinan Davies had a good preseason. I think he's looked a lot sharper. The the shoulder thing's obviously out the way now and that's good. And he's looked brighter. Batshuayi has not had as good a preseason. And there's still lots of rumors swirling about him going again. Um so where I mean where are you with that? What is it Is would you have to look around and see what you can get? Obviously Everton have been linked with Richarlison again and being linked with Gabriel Jesus as well. Um me personally out of those two it's Richarlison. But they've been and loaned the lots names bounced around every single day as well cuz obviously he's still in heaven obviously have a long standard interest so you're better off someone coming for better and and everyone wanted to sell him. Who what would you do with Charlesson or that be is that too sensitive I I think better will go and we'll get the lot. Yeah it feels like I just feel like there's that's what it looks like I just feel like there's something there's something there it's just like Yeah better hasn't had a great preseason and and it's sort of similar to last year but I think that body is looks a lot more looks looks more capable he looks like he's had a year of the Premier League and and better doesn't look like he's any better like I know we walked in first day and everyone was like looking at him oh my god but he's like I haven't seen any like any of that being used in the game in the game so I've just got a feeling like someone like Forrester is just going to come in and for better and and I think that will open the doors to the lad cuz I think Moises like he's got his heart set on him. I think it's like a shiny ring in a window and he's just like walking past it all the time looking and I think eventually he's going to he's going to go but what about Richarlison cuz obviously got 12 goals and three assists last season for 11 goals and four assists sorry in the Premier League in 32 games so he he was fit most of and scored the goals and got and obviously he's making a big play to try and get back to Everton. >> people would rather have Richarlison let's be honest. >> I think he would and Richarlison would obviously love to come here. And I don't I don't know if I'd have any issue I don't think I'd have an issue with him coming back I think I'd just be like Yeah let's see what happens cuz obviously he can play in the wide areas as well and he can play as the second striker as well. And I think again that takes pressure off uh Gibbs-White and puts pressure on other players as well. So, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I don't know what I'd be willing to He's in the last year of his contract. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> So, I don't know what what the fact >> it can't be anything big. >> Unless they've got an add-on a year or whatever. I can't imagine it's going to be anything big. And the way they spend their money although they still haven't bought us a center forward. >> Well, Mangala is coming in as me. >> Yeah. >> It's what he showed. That's what the owner will push him. And his manager did say he can't make his mind up if he wants to go or stay. So, that's not helpful, is it? You know. >> No, I don't I don't Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens, but I do think I do think again it'll come down to movement in the last few days and Forest have just sold the stake and have the need to cover it three >> Coventry. >> So, I'd be it will be interesting to see what But, I do think I do think there'll be like there will be something that happens, but >> Do you think he'll be the last? >> I think Mouge wants the last. >> Mhm. >> Let's be honest, he wants a big >> big unit to knock people about today. >> Yeah, he wants >> the bully. >> Yeah, wants someone up front so he can who can be a battering ram. >> Mhm. >> Um But again, it's it'll Yeah, and again someone who The only issue with I had The only issue I had is like he's not he's not better than Body. And he hasn't got any experience. So, it's to me it's My argument last year was we needed someone with Body who could help him in the moments where he was struggling and be that experienced player who knew his way around the Premier League and that's what That is more of what Johnson >> Mhm. >> than it is >> You mean Delap? >> Liam Delap. Liam Delap's had two seasons in the Premier League and one of one of his with Ipswich and one he barely played last season. So, I don't see him as that I don't see him as a player who who would be helping Body out. I think Body would be helping him out. So, he got more goals than him. >> Mhm. >> So, yeah, that's a that's a weird one that. But, I do I do think there'll still be some movement. I just can't see Moyes wanting Bet so to be the backup striker when he knows Barry's still going to have Well, he's going to have games where he's >> Of course he is, yeah. >> It's a It is a [clears throat] It's a tough one, isn't it? Cuz stuff you see there's not easy wins with Premier League strikers. >> No. >> When you look at them, there's no one where you can go, "Well, we get him. We know he's getting, you know, 12, 15 goals, or whatever." You know, if you had Dominic Calvert- quickly If you had Dominic Calvert-Lewin still there, you'd go, "Well, he can We know Dominic will get goals, and he can play, and he'll And therefore, Barry will be sound learning off him, or you know, whoever else you got a striker like him, but he's not Calvert-Lewin, but a striker like Calvert-Lewin, that kind of player. But, there's none of them who you can go and look at and be a about, you know, Richarlison. Everyone else is a little bit of a sort of guy >> bullet think. >> Yeah, and I think what would be interesting is if you did get Richarlison, you could play a proper flat three midfield, and a proper front three. And I can you can imagine having Richarlison on the left, Barry in the middle, and say Brennan Johnson on the right, then you've got a proper front three then. You know, >> They're not playing. They're playing in >> No, I'm not saying it like Not saying like that's the makeup of the team, but you have a three rather than wingers. Then you've got forwards playing in a front three, and you have three >> three forwards. >> And suddenly you're Suddenly you've given yourself a completely different look. >> I don't think they'd even have that with with Richarlison straight in the middle and Tariq George, cuz I think Tariq George is more of a forward. I think he wants He's His instinct is to get out of the yard and shoot, isn't he? >> Yeah. >> Whereas Ellis to dribble, think Dibling is to dribble. >> But, I think that gives us What that does to to us though, it does change us from having You know, the >> 4-2-3-1, or whatever. >> Going from that to something that looks a little bit more attacking where does it own you could just rather than saying oh we're just going to change body for better like we did last season. Now you could change the front front three around and be like if you needed to go after the game or you fancy yourself up against someone and you thought I've got loads of energy in midfield and I might be a game that God sits out and it might suddenly become like Harrison Armstrong Neil and Rollin usually Hall or whatever it is. Suddenly you've got three midfielders and it's their job is just to get it forward and then you've got these front three. And and I think that that doesn't just change the personnel. It just change that changes the profile of you playing and I think that's something that we've been missing for 25 years. It is is a different and let's be honest Richarlison when he did play for us before it's why Dom got the goals he got. It's because he had a strike partner with him who played off him and Richarlison scored his own goals. So so maybe something like that would really help where does I think if you do if you go and get the laugh if it was the laugh you're getting you're getting like a big rigid you're getting a big rigid team again where is it with Richarlison you you you can change it up a bit. So well come on then overall it it's dead hard to do this because the window's open still and it looked different but what what sitting here today you thought to ever where do you where do you see maybe whatever could do this season? Could they get in the fight again like they were last season with the European place? It's tougher obviously because you've got Spurs and two teams who weren't in it are going to be Spurs and Chelsea and they're definitely going to be back in it. And Newcastle weren't in it so it doesn't really matter they weren't in the European fight and they're still not going to be in a European fight so it's like and I I do think I do think uh Sunderland being in there means they're not going to have a good the season. And you can probably say the same for Bournemouth as well. How they how they spin the plates and how they manage it once we get to like September. So that will be interesting to see. Then you could sort of say well Chelsea and Tottenham might replace them, but doesn't always work like that. In fact it it hasn't worked like that for the last few years. But obviously they've spent big to get back in there and it's going to be really who does drop out of there? And Man United obviously say to themselves, so it might be it's going to be a tough year I think. And I think because the three teams have come up are a little bit weaker, let's say, than the ones who come up last year. I think there's more points getting getting pushed to the top. So it's it's going to be it's going to be tough. Everton have got to aim to finish in the top half of the table. And then let's see how the permutations fall. >> Yeah, cuz you hope it's it's top two or eight again. >> Yeah. >> There's two cups that Everton should be going. >> Well that's that's the big thing, isn't it? >> They should be going. Carabao I know you look back at the winners and you go yeah, but it's the the team in the top two or three that win it anyway, but you've got to give yourself a go with it. Um >> But if there's more teams this season cuz I I I think Man United I think Man City going to struggle this season. I just don't not fancy their manager at all. And I think losing Rodri and the the I don't think the turn over of their squad is happening quick enough. But it's happening where players are going in replacing players in one go. That normally doesn't happen at City. I think so that will mean that when it comes to the crunch moments in the season, I think they're all going to be like we're going for it. The league or we're going to and we're going for our European stuff. And actually we're going to leave that this year. I think everyone's going to I think everyone's going to be like chasing Champions League and chasing the league. I still think maybe like, you know, Spurs are going to want to obviously go for something. >> Of course, yeah. >> But Spurs are not massively better. They're not like I'm not No one's looking at Spurs going, "Wow, God, they're They're both good players, but it doesn't mean that doesn't mean anything." >> Mhm. >> Um but I I I think Everton have got to take it very seriously, and obviously that starts with the first game. You know, away from home, it's going to be tough, and it'll show it'll show what where we are. Because I think the way people or the way, you know, people talk about David Moyes, you think if he does not take that game, I mean, he'll take it seriously, but No, Everton need to win. >> It happens straight away. Can't go on. Can't go on. Make wholesale changes and then get beat, otherwise he's being He will be under massive pressure. The other thing as well, just to finish, you know, the big variable is Newcastle. They've got new managers. So, you know, who knows what Liverpool They could be brilliant with Eddie Howe, or they could take them. >> Yeah, could >> take them slightly like it did with Bournemouth, and and there's there's all of that with with quite a few clubs. So, >> And so many clubs depend on Champions League football for their finances now, because that's where the market they're playing in. But there is a massive pressure to So, that's where And I think that's where like the cups have opened up a little bit is that yes, we always it always seems to be the same teams, but if you, you know, as Palace have shown, if you can you can creak that door open, suddenly So, they're all open up to you, you know, they're in the second [clears throat] year of Europe, and they'll think we, you know, that But they'll be the same. They'll be like, "Wow, that We win this." Champions League football. And that's So, they're like they're going to be eyeing that up party, and I think again, Premier League The A Premier League team who's playing in the Conference League should win it. >> Absolutely. >> And And whoever's in the UEFA Europa Gosh. Whoever's in the Europa >> should go far, shouldn't they? >> should go really far. Now, whereas we used to view that as being like, "Oh, that's the trophy for the Germans or the Spanish." Premier League teams now should be like, you know, last year it was two two semi-finalists, you know, they played each other, but it could have easily been those two in the final. If the draw would have ended up a little bit different. In the end in the end of, you know, >> You know, the other teams shouldn't be like Arsenal in the Champions League >> and moonwalk that trophy in the end. It was so easy. And I think that because of the changes, obviously because there's more teams in the Champions League now, the Europa League's been weakened. And again, that means Palace have an eye on that and, you know, group stages and how do they balance their squad? They've got a new manager. >> So, these are the kind of things >> And these are the things that Everton have got to take advantage of. They've got to take advantage of these things because once that door If that means if if it means winning a If it means don't not your eggs all your eggs in one basket, but when those cups come out, certainly the League Cup, and being going after it, and that opens the door to European football, you could be, you know, that's you're at the bottom end of the the escalator that's going to take you to the top. That's the way you've got to look at it. Conference League, Europa League, if that's the way you're going to break into the Champions League, then that's the that's what you've got to do. >> In some ways, that's the easier route, isn't it? But, we'll see. Big season ahead. Let us know what you think. It's obviously difficult to win those still. Open see other teams have got stuff to do. Everton have still got stuff to do. You can watch You can do this looking at the ahead of the season. 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