Everton 2-2 Manchester United | The Final Word

Welcome to Toffee TV. It is the final word. Everton to Manchester United 2 yesterday. Hill Dickinson. The Topies left it very very late but grabbed a fully deserved point despite Mark Gold's nonsense what he was chatting about. Um Evan have ended up with like I said a fully deserved point. I don't believe it. >> Yeah. No, we deserved it. >> Bloody hell. >> Rody hell. >> We deserved No, we deserved it. We deserved the point at least, didn't we? It wasn't a game. >> Wasn't a game that we were like, you know, battered in or anything. And >> just one of those it was just one of those games. It was just it was just obviously with the goal going and the way he did added that >> little bit of excitement to it >> that I'm sure >> you know TV would have loved that yesterday, wouldn't he? with it only been two large games. Um, apparently it went down very well at the Emirates. Apparently >> it will have. >> Um, but uh, yeah, it was it was it was good. And obviously obviously for somewhere like Ill Dickinson, it's it's it's memories, isn't it? It's about it's about bu building memories. I sound like that woman off that I um it's it's it is about memories, isn't it? It's about like it's about remember when that happened. Remember when that happened? the things that you you um you we had a >> we million of them >> a million of them at at Gerson Park and it's about it's about them isn't it and that you know yesterday was another one of them where you go amazing amazing day >> what did you what did you make of the team then going into it cuz I I'll be honest I thought he'd start mland now angry I thought you know what he's like with his Premier League experience and I thought even though Merlin Ro being Everton's one of Everton's best performance certainly preseason and >> and all that. I didn't know whether he'd maybe start him in front of Mland Naz, which I actually think he will do at Tottenham the weekend and I thought the temptation to just start Jack Reish would have been too much. But fair enough, he he he went with a team. I think that would be the team. I thought that would be the team that was bought. >> I think when they sign on deadline day, you never, >> you know, I mean, I don't even know if mate Niles made it to Finch Farm on on Tuesday night. >> The interview was Yeah, he did. He did cuz he was he arrived on the plane. He went and had his first part of his medical. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> But his interview was the next day. >> Yeah. It was all So, it's like obviously the next day is you haven't trained, you've been up, done all that. Uh >> so >> I think he had a few days training the manager said. So yeah, don't know. Um, you know, I don't know what kind of preseason had. And we know Jack is Jack's, you know, he's had a couple of involvements for Man City, but not much. And he did sort of staff. He started pre-season training the week of the Community Shield, so he hasn't really done any buildup. So, um, I wasn't surprised. Not with Moyes as well, I didn't think. And also, you know, the team >> the team from B from Bournemouth getting the we've done well down there. So I didn't I didn't really expect much. Obviously obviously had to sort out within J and I thought that that was always going to be a straightforward top. I thought of Bernardon Johnson. >> So I I wasn't really surprised to be honest at all. >> Yeah. >> No, no, you know and I think I think Everton Everton started the game all right. I think it was a case you've got to feel against United. You're looking at them and okay, they were they were rubbish a whole but they were much better at home against last week. All be it they had to come from behind, but then once they got in front, they destroyed them. But >> we you have to make sure you're in the game right at the very start with them and don't give cuz Bruno Fernandez can just kill you with it. >> You know, he's horrible and every fan think wants to kill him metaphorically because of the way he is. But he's a fantastic footballer. So if you give him too much space, he can destroy you. But I thought Everton Everton got quite tight to them and didn't allow them to play. He obviously hit the bar quite early on with like a side but sort of volley done well to get the shot on target. But >> other than that, I thought this two and fro quite I think you said there about letting them play. >> I think if you if you let your mates play, they've got loads of good players. But >> I think if you've seen I mean obviously if you're a better side then >> but if you're if you if you if you're organized I think I think you know they're they're weird aren't they? They're chasing they're chasing something that they've lost and it's they're not doing it with any kind of wellthoughtout plan. >> I don't you know >> and not the same back four that started the 4-nil defeat at Brenford in 2022 and things like >> that's what I mean. It's like your front your front players are all sound but like you your not like moving the needle on the on the on the back line are they? So, it's about staying organized and Moyes is Moyes is one of the best managers in the league for that. No matter what, no matter what anyone says, he he is he, you know, he probably does more homework on the opposition team and setting up about how to stop them than he probably does on on on us. So, um I wasn't like at all worried going into this game at all. I mean, obviously the week we've just come off wasn't even a sort of >> it wasn't even a thought in many ways. It was just like let's just see what happens. But that they just don't have that they don't have that thing anymore United of like where you where you really fear them. They've lost that fear factor. >> We had it for so long with them. >> Years and years and years. We just don't feel like that anymore. And you know they're just they're just um >> they're just pretenders now, aren't they? They're just I don't know. They're a collection of they've got a some really like you said some really good players but they started the game without had a striker for a start. I mean he played Fernandez and the false nine didn't he and left ses go on the bench and know he's coming back to fitness but I think Rashford being in the team I think he for me he was their pick. He was the most dangerous player all day for them picking the ball up. And a bit of that is he obviously used Merlin roles. Someone in our comments on the one of the live shows said Merlin gets the zooies in the opening 25 minutes, doesn't he? Like a puppy. He's all over the place. He's like a Labrador. >> He is. He is. He's just I love like I find it I find I find it quite like in the bottom like I can't have a go with him. I just I just He looks like one of those kids. Remember kids used to turn up when you were training and go can have a game and he bring their own ball. He looks a bit like that. Like he hasn't got a clue out of it there. He's very like as an athlete he's brilliant. >> He just hasn't got a clue how to play right back. And it's but it's just a positional sense, isn't it? Where where to stand. He's like anyone learning the position, but I think Rashford worked that out pretty quickly. and and then Brennan Johnson even though thought he was all right in the game and he got better in the defensive department as it went on the first 15 or 20 minutes he just sort of didn't realize Luke he probably looked at Luke Shaw and thought he won't run a lot but Luke Shaw did a few times in the first 20 minutes got in behind and one of them >> must have been a sign for Gregs down the corner maybe >> but one of the he just left it and Shaw just ran into the space behind and he could see everyone looking there was three of our players in the line Shaw was on his own He got a bollock in front from Tarovski after that one. But >> you can't allow good players like Rashford to to draw players to you and then have runners like cuz sure has got a lovely left foot to be fair. If he gets in behind it's going to cause problems and that was evident and it's been evident in the first couple of games for he's done a lot of good things going the other way and his athleticism gets him out of trouble but a few times he needs someone to help him out. >> Do you think that's where we are missing a number six though? where a number six would >> react to that and get over because we are in an era of like >> you know what we're I mean what what we're talking about with like with Ro is a player who who wants to go forward >> that's more of his that's more suits him >> and and obviously Widman don't want to come back either. >> No. So I just wonder whether that's where we're missing out on a number six where who can get over and cover >> rather than it being the wide organiz. Yeah. And rather than it being the wide man who come who has to come back all the time >> and and also so that your full back because that wouldn't have happened last season with Jacob Bryan >> cuz Jacob Bryan's never going to >> he's never going to leave that position and it very rarely happens with Michenko. Michenko is not going to be caught like that. But obviously what you don't get is you don't get the you don't get the flip side of that. You don't get the the the quality in the final. Okay, you know, don't get me wrong, Ro put a great ball in and >> we should have scored from it and Michalinko had a couple of couple of couple but the they don't it doesn't match up, does it? It doesn't really match up. So I just wonder whether that's where a number six would would would cover us a you know get over get side to side cuz obviously the last one we really obviously when we played like that was when we had Gareth Barry and >> James McCarthy and we ne they never they never got caught out in covering those positions. >> No, that would have been the plan around Norard, wouldn't it? That's a whole thing what Norard will hopefully bring when he's fit to organize that and go over and make sure that doesn't happen. But I think you need you do need your winger though to be switched on. And that's where in Jai playing on that side was really good that he would get back and Mesa's commented on it hasn't he you know how deep he is for City already. But you know Brennan Johnson had to sort of come alive because the first couple of runs sure just left him and then he did start tracking them in fact then he ended up getting a booking didn't he on one because >> he'd run and tried to cut cun and and went down but >> but I thought listen we we had the tier you just touched on then Barry had that he should have hit the target. It was a great ball and just mistimed it slightly and it added it straight rather than down which may have given Everton the lead. >> He's edited down. >> Jared Brandweight had a good opportunity in the box the ball drop and he he test the keeper but he should really do better with it. It goes too straight. Could have nicked off someone but it went too straight. We had other moments where we got in behind. Tyreek got in a couple of times and the cross was weak with the left foot, but I thought we showed enough to be a threat and they were worried about that. And obviously on the the flip side to that, they were sort of doing similar. They were getting into good areas, but we were managing to get blocks in. >> Um, and so it meant the game was was sort of fairly >> even without being tons of chances really. But we didn't allow him to counter attack either, did we? We we we without without playing too deep either. >> We didn't really I mean >> I thought J J was brilliant. You know, I thought he was superb and >> um full of confidence and >> put a couple of great tackles in in the first half when we were stretched, didn't he? >> Yeah. So, I think obviously having that confidence of him as well and >> Yeah. I mean, I say we got away with a couple of like from Rashford pullbacks and stuff at the bar and people were getting blocks in and stuff. Um but for the most part I thought we just didn't for them. >> We just didn't have much of a attacking presence of our own. We weren't, you know, there was there was a few shots, but they were all really weak, really poor shots. And >> I think one of the things for me, if we're going to go back to front bar, I mean, we we were knocking balls and he was having to compete with me when Martinez was my size, then he'd have been better going on me. But if you're going to go make him compete with Meguire, which he did, >> there was lots of times he stopped Magguire getting a cleaner, then the ball dropped and no one was picking the second ball up. And it's like, if that's what we're playing, you're gonna have to get bodies around them. It's it's we should be having someone running beyond them in case he gets a flick and someone coming short. And I think normally Kane and Zbury all does that brilliantly, >> but I just don't think he ever really got into the game. >> No, he had a real off day, didn't he? >> Yeah. >> Um >> his birthday as well. >> Maybe just that extra year >> maybe. Or he just think about his cake. Don't know, do you? >> You don't. >> Well, maybe he'd worked either. He he justified the calories. >> The way I look at things. Do you know what I I'm sure he done a lot of running. He just wasn't his normal sh. No, but that's what you do. If you're making your striker compete for long balls, you've got to make sure you're picking a bit something. Just don't think first half especially. We just didn't do that well enough cuz I think Barry's linking up much better than he was. I'd like to have seen us I'd like to seen us have got Brennan Johnson ice you know up against Luke Shaw but we just didn't do I didn't do just one cross field and >> it just it never got beyond it sort of Bren Bren Johnson went up for a header I think ended up going for a header but I just thought try and get it into the space behind we just never we never did that either. So, it's really he's a player who wants that ball, I think. And that's something we're going to have to learn about Brenon Johnson when he plays is >> you play it into the space. You don't necessarily give it to his feet and he's not that kind of player. >> No, no, he's not a he's not like a a tricky player is he's quite sort of give it and go type to play and we saw that obviously second half. I think you're right. I think a ball inside sure for him to come around the back might have set United a little bit more, but >> we we just couldn't really get that. I mean the referee John Brooks was absolutely woeful like really bad you know and I think Tyreek had had skinned Dallots a couple of times in the opening 10 minutes should have been bookings both of the fouls he didn't he didn't give anything then Harrison Armstrong got involved with Bruno Fernandez who obviously went down as we've been punched and was rolling around and and Armstrong picked the booking up and how much do you think that affected his game after that? No, it did. And you're absolutely right about that. Like if he gets booked when he pulls the shirt, which he should have been, then >> he can't go near. >> Can't go near, George. And I think Harrison just showed a little bit of inexperience there >> um by just getting involved with the wrong kind of player. >> Yeah. >> And the manag the referee >> had seen him go in for that tackle. And you know, you see this with refs, don't you? Like the tackle's brilliant, but it's also that thing from the ref of >> I don't know if you're strictly allowed to do that sort of thing. Even though it's like a perfect tackle like nowadays, it's like >> they look down on those kind of tackles and then he I think he might have barged into he >> and then it's like >> and and yeah, he you're messing with the wrong person. You've got to >> you've got you've got to know when to go. know it's the 90 minutes and you're going to have lots of scrapes with this fell just >> and I think that he's he's he's allowed himself >> to get thrown >> to get caught up by it caught up in the cuz he's obviously you know he wants to do well he's he's had a had a weird week >> yeah he has >> um >> so it was yeah just learn from that just learn from but he did well after that but he just didn't couldn't >> can't have that still same intensity cuz if you miss time one you're done >> you're gone yeah especially with this I mean he got the the loudest cheer in the uh in the teams getting >> sort of you know >> the teams getting announced >> even with sort I mean I'm amazed the name is right when it was announced but but everybody they give it sort of you know the loudest cheer but you're right what once you're sort of walking the tight rope cuz you've been you picked up a booking like that it took a little bit away from his game cuz he did do a couple of really good tackles but you're like after it thinking >> good job you got the ball there mate cuz this fell will just get you off no matter what. But um I thought he did well overall and and obviously >> well I mean what have you made it to James Garner because he never preseason was injured the first couple of days of preseason. Didn't play in any games. >> Came back as a sub against Palace. Played at Preston >> last week and now this week doesn't quite look up to speed yet. No. >> But what what did you sort of make of him? Certainly first half second half we were better. >> He was all right. >> Yeah. But there's a couple of uncaracteristic moments. I think there was one where he basically just give it to them to attack and and he they nearly scored from it. Um >> but you can tell he's not it's not he's not he's not sharp. >> He's not Jimmy Gardner at the moment. >> He's not he's not sharp and obviously as he's that preseason is massive isn't it? And the manager again, it's the man, it's the manager looking at it, isn't it? And looking at it and going, "Well, then it's Armong and Aiden Hackne." And there's not many games in the Premier League between them when you're going up against >> clever players who've got all the tricks and the book and >> um just quality. >> You know, you've got to you've got and you know, you want Garner in there just to h just for that experience more than anything. Um but he had hackne on the bench and when it was time to when it was time to take Ghana off he he didn't um it's one of them isn't it it's you know listen you mentioned it before the norad like situation you know hopefully it sorts itself out over the international break gives us a couple of more weeks >> um >> but again it's just how thin that squad is isn't it? It's like, >> you know, it's even crazy, isn't it? >> Even like mate Niles >> getting established at right back means Ro can go into midfield and help as well. So, it's we are a little bit >> but he's he's inexperienced >> and he's also he wants to chase the ball. >> Yeah. And he's he's not like you can understand why, you know, Moyes is looking at that way. He's got like three experienced midfielders and three younger midfielders. And if he has to, you know, pick two or then play or pick, you know, and then there's >> there's a spare one. >> He's got to, but again, this comes down to subs, isn't it? It's about managing subs. It's about making sure that you give players experience. You can't you got he's going to have to he's going to have to. And it's it is funny. I've we talked about this a lot last season. It's like the amount of times players get injured, it forces Moyes into making decisions and then the players come on and surprise you >> and they do well. And it's like, well, that wouldn't have happened unless >> you you you'd been forced into that. And I think >> that's the that's the thing with Mo. like he he he a lot not not all the time but >> he can't get out of his own way at times but then he'll stumble across something and it and it'll end up working for him and >> you know Terry George wouldn't have been wouldn't be an Evan player if Jackish was >> was when got injured and now they're probably going to be on either side of the pitch >> and you know >> you know it's it's it's it's you know it matters and it but that's that's football opportunities will open up and but the players have got to be ready for to take them. >> He got it obvious. I mean the referee as well Harry Magguire was down for five and a half minutes I think someone said >> and he played 3 minutes >> minutes >> which was I mean not nothing not against me it was a heading you had to but why how come you play 3 minutes >> that's nuts and something like that so basic isn't it >> time keeping >> it's just it's basic isn't it it's crazy um came out for the second half you know nil nil at hal time and it was quite there was nothing thinking we can win this >> they hadn't really done that much we hadn't done that much So it was game on but done the worst thing you can do and come out and we're in a minute. >> Yeah. >> You know we're conceded and Micheleno's allowed Brian and Bumo was all left foot to just run across on a diagonal and just bend it beyond Pigford and >> you know he went past George lovely quick feet but Michenko's allowed him to get it for him on the outside. Yeah, >> and you know we're one nil down. It was a lovely fitness to be >> I think Garner as well not being 100% fit. >> He if he was fit I think he cuts across across >> but not having that fitness and the fitness is in the head as well isn't it? But >> you're thinking there we go. Last thing >> as always said in dressing rooms forever would be >> keep it tight for the first five or 10 minutes and you're one n down after a minute into the second half. But I think I think what they did was they they managed to just sort of stem the flow. We didn't let them dictate from there and and let the game go away from us. We just sat back in and tried to get ourselves back into the game. But you are looking thinking we've just cuz the time just seemed to eb away for a bit where our flatness >> nothing happened. Our flatness >> rubbed off on United. >> Yeah. the pair of them just went >> the flatness of of us, of the team, of the fans, everything just was like, yeah, >> they man United was like, "Yeah, we're all right here. We'll just >> we'll just play this out." >> They had one moment where Rashford went on a brilliant run and gets into the box and >> knocks it back and Kung is about to make it 2-0 and James Sarakovski produces an unbelievable challenge cuz if he gets it >> wrong, you know, and into either way, it's either a penalty or Kung just knocks it in before he can think. It would have been game over. Then it's 2-0 I think. But it's an incredible tackle from T. >> No. Was it brilliant? Wasn't it? >> I think that signaled the end of Roll's day, didn't it? >> No, it really it really did, didn't it? It really >> He just got He was left, wasn't he? >> It really did. He showed him >> back of his boots, didn't he? By No, it was it was a brilliant cuz it was a weird sort of the way it sort of fell and then come back to him and >> Yeah, it's like he had to be 100% on. It was great feat from Rashford just a little double and then to just roll it back. It was it was unbelievable but brilliant from T. Jackish was brought on first his second Everton debut. How did you think he done? Cuz I thought he done all he looked rusty. You could tell but I still think he's just got that natural class that when the ball goes to him, you can see there sort of got to go up a level here cuz this he's just such a good football and he throw I think he dragged all of our players up. We got like a I think the crowd got reinvigorated when Jack came on and so did the play. I thought he got >> I mean I mean again it's been a it's it's been a weird week for him hasn't it? >> Again I think the club have made a mess of the signing in many in more ways than donut boxes. >> But like >> oh the donut box was a joke. I just it's just again people just don't understand. But I like couldn't we have not announced have announced him before and Jai went >> and just like >> just give everyone a little bit of a li a little bit of a lift. It got lost in the late armor of everyone's head was going cuz of B obviously this is when people some looked it like it was off before it was actually off. >> It's like I didn't just he'd been there since 10:00 in the morning. What was he waiting >> 8:00 10 8 he was doing his medical. >> What was he waiting for? What was he waiting for? I I don't like I don't like >> trust me mate. We were sat here doing a bloody live stream going it'll be announced in a minute after about 6:00. I >> have no idea. I was on a sun lounger. Uh >> but you're thinking you get that one out first. >> Yeah, get that one out first. All your jokey jokes about donuts. >> Um >> still just I can't It's not about reading the room. It's about having basic understanding of what the pro like charging. I went to a dead fancy place the other day and the donuts were still not at 650. Um >> it was Yeah. And he's so like he's at like sort of it's been quite and what the thing about Jack's got the potential now to be an Everton player for like three or four years, >> you know, and it's it's you know he's took the number 10 shirt. It's like >> but I thought so it it was important that it was important that we um you know >> he came on and and he done I mean without being like he didn't do anything amazing but he just put them on the back foot and he was one really early on and all he did was he just helped it on and I think it was Michenko went into the space into the box >> and it was just like little things like that >> teams are just terrified he's just that player isn't he so >> talented we said we've said it loads of times haven't we about people like Jack Leish it's like every week you watch football as we watch are footballers and there's a lot of like there's a lot of like um well I don't know what the right word is but there's a lot said about some players about having amazing games and oh they were brilliant and they done this and done that >> you boss plays does this and it's like >> it's not true no >> they're just hardworking bogstandard footballers but now and again >> a talent turns up canels us Rodriguez, >> Jack Greish and their ability even in their in the last bits of their career and their talent is so unbelievable. Their touch is so unbelievable. The way they carry themselves on the pitch, >> the way they just know what that's every decision is the right decision, >> you know, and he he he's got so much to offer. Don't get me wrong, it's it's it's one of them with with with bringing them in. Obviously the the the the wages and everything. I can understand why people are like but when you've got very little to like get you excited. >> You do you do need that. You do need those players, don't you? Go to match to be entertained. You don't go to match to really because it looks good on a spreadsheet or a financial, do you? you go to game because you want to see lads do things that you couldn't do or you know uh people who get you on the edge of your seat. People loved Jai and J's output wasn't very good really but they loved him cuz he was he could do things that a lot of other players can't do. Jack Reish does it on a different level but Jack Reel has been right to the very top Champions League Premier Leagues being in play for England and where in semiinals you know European Championship being at the very top he was unbelievable for Aston it's that intelligence level of of like making >> the decisions right nearly all of the time >> and we just saw again we saw a small glimpse of that and >> it's easy to forget that when you haven't got them and and you can sit here and question it and and go, do we really need him? But where do we well we obviously need him now cuz we never got in J cuz we lost in J. But that that that ability and I know it got said last year, but someone like Tyler Dibble who's not involved >> hopefully, you know, he's he's looking at everything he does in training every day. And it's the way he carries himself as well. The way he just like, you know, you've won all those trophies, you know how good you are. You don't need to like there's no one can no one can say any there's no self-doubt there because he's such an intelligent, >> brilliant footballer and all we can do is get everything we can out of him. That's all we can do. He enjoys it. And we said about a couple weeks ago about players buying into the football club we call this ball team and it just makes such a difference like you can >> you can hang you can be at the club and you can be like in the club >> but you never really never really put yourself across as one of I know not everyone's like that and a lot of people are like introvert and they don't >> they sort of just want to stay under the radar and play the game but I do think when you as a footballer you you put yourself in that position where you're like, I'm going to carry this team and I'm going to I'm going to be part of this team and I've got I'm not phased about all that stuff that goes on or or or you know putting out their videos and it's actually other people. I mean you know Harland yesterday and we saw Harland's our fellow wearing kit the other day on a video and that's clearly Jackish's shirt. You know what I mean? It's like it's all this is why they wanted a Jack Leish because it pulls all those other things in and that's what that's what the top talent brings you like and we're not at we're we're at a stage as a club >> where we can either have them very young and we're bringing them through and that's sad because you sort of >> you just thinking them off you >> think how long are we going to keep Jabbrand away for um and or you have them at the other end and I think sometimes it's actually more comforting to have them at the other end cuz you just think They're never going anywhere after here. So, it's that comfort factor. Well, you know, don't you? It's that comfort factor of we're going to get that last little bit out of them. >> But, and that's great. Now, and again, I think it's we also have to cherish the players we've got that you think they are going to end up going somewhere else. You shouldn't be We've said for years on this, you should never fear that. You should never Someone was always going to come and take Jai. >> Yeah. >> You know, someone was That's why we said sell them a month ago, but someone was always going to come and take Jai. someone's going to come and take Jared I'm sorry to break it to you but someone's going to come and take Jared Brand because if cuz >> players want to play in the Champions League so >> but ju just to have someone as talented as him and you know >> seeing all his posts after it was such a special club this and this that and the other you can't help but >> and I was actually delighted that he took the number 10 shirt as well you know it's like >> again be I'm I am the main man I will carry this football club >> you know I I want to be I want to do, you know, everything. And and it's just look at this car. I suppose not not too dissimilar to mine. Um it's it's yeah, from the club point of view, people at the club be fuming. They be like, "We could have put them on every kit reveal and every this and every that, >> you know what I mean? They'll be they'll be they'll be like hurrying like, you know, getting them to do a million pictures now." But that's to rebrand everything with Jack on it. and be honest. Um, but yet he come on and I thought >> is he in the front page of the prospectus? >> He should be want to buy a football club that has Jack Gish part of it. So we don't have to get our hands dirty. Um, you know, obviously we went up a little bit. I thought we went up a level there. But then again, I think the thing that really took us up a level was probably the worst substitutes in history. Decision, not who we brought on. Hang on. They all had two socks on. Yeah, I'm not the decision. I'm not the person he brought it on. No, sorry. Yes, the decision. Not the person he brought on because James Garner had been walking around >> stretching his leg and not looking happy at all and rolling his ankle and moving his and he was looking a bit concerned. Then he hit a wayward pass and then he was doing it again and you're thinking he needs to go off here >> and he make a sub and it's Hayden Hackne which is absolutely the right thing to do. And it wasn't James Shanner. He come on and you're like, >> what are you doing? >> M roll out and James Ger to right back. >> Yeah. And >> you're like, he's not going to last. >> He's not going to last. And then we've got one sub left and >> he lasted about a minute. >> Yeah. >> And then obviously that man come on easily mate Laz. But it was Hayden Hackne I was talking about who really got his foot on the ball and started driving everything forward. And >> we saw with the equalizer, he gets it, goes beyond a couple of United plays, plays it in, gets it back. um just picks the ball back up and lays it into tie and he smashes in an absolutely wonderful equalizer. >> Yeah. Uh I think he got his rewards, didn't he, for like you know I know he came off Martis, >> but you've got to like you've got to >> but he didn't stand still. He >> saying you've got to >> he brought put some much needed energy into midfield. >> Um >> and he wants to play forward. >> Yeah. >> Which is important. >> Yeah. wants to go he wants to go through the line between the lines and and get his forward and you could see that first pass he was trying to get it into Barry I think and it's you know come back to him when he found a man unmarked and >> George has done the rest and having had to swap sides as well I thought that was >> cuz I think that was the that was definitely the right decision to leave him on the pitch would have been very easy to just go no you're on the left and he's on the left we're going to swap you over >> but to leave him on and just swap him wings I thought that made complete complete sense and Um, finish was unbelievable. Unbelievable. >> I mean, and again, you talked before about you say memories or moments, moments. I mean, to hit it like that, to see the South Stand React the way it did, the power of the shot. I thought my my seat I thought to the side net first and then you look, don't you, and you see the ball rolling behind, he's off running off and you're just like, oh my god, the Delarium to celebrate. You know, a key goal is fantastic, isn't it? And it was a brilliant goal. And the noise was unbelievable. The noise really was. And you're thinking, we can win this now. Come on. You know, we've got the momentum. But I was a little bit disappointed. We sort of sat in. I think the manager said the same thing. He said, >> "We equalized." And I thought, "We'll win this." And then the player sort of >> Mhm. >> sat back as if like we'll we'll protect what we've got. I know you have to be careful. United can kill you. Like they they brought Seshko on >> and he can kill you with a couple of >> That's a mentality. We spoke the last time this happened was like the Mury side derby >> and we spoke about it in that we got 1-1 >> and I know that was early in the second half but the mentality was just don't know we've got to draw out we're playing Liverpool playing Man United we've got to draw it's all good. It's like that mentality's got to change. You've got to like live dangerously at times if you want to win games of football. I know it's dead nice to City and go we're unbeating this season but you know when I remember when Moyes came >> lost at Bournemouth I beat you that I >> remember when Moyes came in and Moyes came in and remember when we went to Brenford and we were losing one nil and obviously I think Jacob Bryan I don't think I know Jacob Bryan got the equaliz at the end but I remember that night going I it wouldn't have mattered if we'd lost their game to watch us >> we were trying >> go and try and try and get something and >> um it was was what we all want to See, and and yeah, we just completely stopped. >> Well, he's not happy to manage it either, so it wasn't an instruction from him. >> It just plays >> an instruction from him, but but also it's also his job to make sure it doesn't happen. >> And it's happened too many. It happened. It's happened too many times. >> Not just the this set of plays, it's happened too much in every play. It's like, >> you know, you've got to if you want to do things. >> Is that belief, do you think? Is it belief? Must be belief, must it? must be like, yeah, it must be, mustn't it? You've you've done the thing. >> You've got yourself back into the game and it's like >> don't lose this now. >> You know, would Arsenal fans be happy yesterday if they got just got declassizing and then, >> you know, and that's that's the point, isn't it? Like City a couple years ago against Bournemouth have done the same thing. >> It's like >> now you go and win. Now you go now you got momentum. >> You keep doing what you do. But we we've done this far too far far too many times. >> Um we did it against City last year even though we went 3-1 up there, you know, once they got that second goal, then it was like, oh, you better batten down the arches. And I know we did miss a few chances. It's not exactly accurate, but it but it is that thing of like, oo god, tightening your ass cheeks here. You know what I mean? It's like they weren't particularly very good >> and we've just allowed them >> the we've what we've done is we've allowed >> the ball to be in areas that their best players can affect. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what we saw you know the second you know United like I said they brought Sesh go on and >> they go down that left hand side. Ty >> doesn't go with the runner. Fernandez holds it up laser into the space and Luke Shaw mate Len can't quite get across >> but the the two center backs in the middle with one man mark one of them has got it and maybe Tarovski goes over his head just pick the striker up see that goes back to what we talking about before about the subs though do you think maybe at that point >> when it is 1-1 you have to look at George scored the goal >> do you have to start looking at that and go with five minutes to Oh, we know he's got the goal, but maybe it makes sense to take him off now. >> Do you know what I mean? We've got another shot. >> Dibling. >> Well, it's Dibbling, isn't it? I mean, why I mean, why not? I mean, >> well, it would have been Dibbling or Braden Grime and it ain't got >> No, I mean, well, why not say to Dibbling? Well, >> just get on there and the number one thing you don't do. >> I tell you one thing about Dibbling doesn't get the ball away. >> So, I'm not saying I'm not saying no anyway, was there? There was no shot to make anyway. Show us. >> Well, it depends if you ever women. There was >> Okay. >> Crystal Palace made four sub. Oh, yeah. >> Did no one picked it up. >> They have now. There's an investigation. They'll probably give more goals to Palace. >> Yeah, I'd imagine. So, but the cross comes in. Cesco heads it. I think Jordan needs to do better. >> No, it does. It does. >> And it's a it's a weak hand and it rolls over the line and >> it was in like almost slow motion seen the ball land on him. He had it pick got a hand and I'm thinking where is it? And then he's running away celebrating. you're like, how's that going? And it felt very much >> a kick in the bollocks after the week we that that we'd equalize late on and then just go and concede immediately. And I must admit at that stage you're just thinking >> we lost this game cuz it wasn't like we were hanging on. >> Um but fair listen credit to the the players 88 minute goal you can see they didn't they hung in there. I know United had a couple of counter detection. We had a couple of moments where I think Hackne bent one over. >> Yeah. >> But he all had a shot that was weak. >> Yeah. >> Um but you know it's we're still plugging away. We're still plugging away and we get a ball you know forward and they they're trying to defend it and it comes out and mate Len runs onto it and >> it's an absolutely unbelievable strike and again my position I'm side on so it leaves his foot. kind of go past everyone and see the keeper looking and I still expected it to hit the south like go past the goal and >> the minute it caught the net it was just ab and the first thing you you look at the lines when you know it's can you give any >> well that was the thing both goals were like there's nothing to do about any of these >> no and it was and obviously the place the noise the bloody roof came off I think it >> I think what was so good about it was because >> because of the way it felt it was like it it wasn't like it bounced around the box or gone in off a corner or anything. It was like so unexpected like and obviously >> the play the player scored me on the pitch for 15 minutes you know for him but on his debut that's >> we don't normally get that do we show up forever and I've seen as a gay >> it pigeons >> with that shot with that shot you know and other players um >> yeah he wasn't alone at >> so it wasn't like it was so unexpected for that moment >> um >> the technique sensational but as I said before. That's probably it's probably not it's probably an illust an illustration goalie probably don't need to go up for corners cuz if Pigford had been up for it >> couldn't even have gone up for it >> United would have sensed that if they just kept the ball they would have >> um >> but no unbelievable just again it's just >> it's just a huge it's just a big moment isn't it >> and a lot of people had left not lot >> why do you all Why? I just can't explain understand any of you. Why do you get off? >> How far away would you have been? >> I'd be I'd be devastated. I never leave no matter what the score is, but I'd be devastated if I was walking down ever. >> I' been walking down like Regent Road and that RAW, you'd just be like, >> I'm missing it. >> I just I'll never understand it. I'll never get it. I can sometimes I can go if it's a night game and it's like 10 5 10 and there might be I don't know but it was a Sunday afternoon. It was an hour earlier than a normal kickoff. >> A bit mad but everyone who stayed have got that moment that it was just incredible. It was incred and his face you see in his face he was >> absolutely couldn't he couldn't have written it any better could he? And then I I still did think >> this I'm thinking he's got to blow because I think when he hit it it was more than 95 minutes. I think it was just over when he hit it. So I was thinking on it >> cuz they made the sub. So I'm thinking surely when they knock it back he's going to not and I'm thinking oh no he's not going to let them just carry on as it cuz he you could have seen it drop to Fernandez and it you know cuz in his own ed to get a story like but listen we didn't he had this whistle in his mouth virtually straight away >> and it was a it was a fantastic point in the end because we were behind twice >> you know late on >> and it was a bad week and there's a lot of >> I mean what what was funny about yesterday was there was no there was no real anger was there. Everyone's just knackered. What would you Well, that we haven't really each other about it, have we? About what went on. >> Yeah. >> But when you look at when you look at it, are you annoyed? >> You'd be annoyed cuz cuz we've seen this so many times before and this should have been the new era and it hasn't quite played out like that. Are you annoyed be? Because I I'm annoyed because I feel like we ain't that far away and that's what I'm really annoyed with. I look at some of that team and I go, that's not a bad side. That and if you add a bit more quality, that's a like a good side. >> And so that's what And I'm annoyed we left it so late again cuz we've seen it so many times. But where are you with it all now? Cuz it's just >> last week was I've got to admit >> it was hard going last week. It was hard. I just couldn't wait for the game because it was just I was so fed up about everything. No, it's >> talking about it. It's um fans are fans are you know fans are tired are they? I mean I seen there was a lot of outside noise saying you know they you thought that >> the atmosphere was going to be like you know horrible and then there was other people who were like oh we'll use this to our advantage. I thought a lot of the game it was flat and there was a real like apathy >> because people are fed up of like >> people are just fed up of the whole thing of like we went through all that and like you said we no one asked for anything like mad >> what they asked for was a club that could just compete >> for Europe and we didn't get that far off last season and we've messed it up but I I I found the whole thing was like it's dead hard to point fingers at like like I've seen a lot of people point fingers at different people. It is hard. I mean I I do I I don't I can't put me finger on what the strategy was. I don't know whether that's because they were waiting for a sale or there was money pulled or whatever. But I I I think there's blame to I think there is a little bit of blame to be shared around. >> Absolutely. I think I I said it and I had no problem saying the time and why on earth didn't you sell in giant a month ago? >> Yeah. >> Why didn't you say say just say put it out to the clubs and go if you want him now he's 60 million quid. If you want him deadline day week he's 90 million quid >> because he was always going. This is what we were trying to tell. This is what we was trying to get across. >> He was always going and Greish was always coming. That was always going to be the case. it was going to be. So I don't understand why they didn't just go >> just just go right who wants him and and let's get it going now because if you want him last week as I said so I couldn't understand that that would have opened the door the money would have been in the bank and then we could have gone right who do we want cuz when you start going oh we missed out on this play we missed out on this play missed and we could have had that fell and we could have had the right back that we wanted and do we only went for 25 and it's like what >> why did so from that point of view I do think we certain people are located here made a mess of it. >> The owners, when did the owners decide that they just couldn't be asked anymore? Because that again is like why didn't he just say >> from the start? Because there's more like obviously when you look back at the summer now, you understand more about why Moyes had a coin. I understand now why they just painted the FN out on the female toilets and made the men's toilets cuz they'd obviously decided that no, we're not going to put any money into we're not putting any money into it. Why were these decisions made? Like, not why were he made full stop, but why were why was he made at like really bad times? Like people can go, "Oh, Balagan didn't get on the plane, blah blah blah." I was like, "Why the were we buying a center forward on the last day? Why did we allow the other center forward, whether you like him or don't like him, to leave the club? We never got Kenny Teti, who's the third choice right back at Fulham, because they didn't want to sell him. >> It's some of the decision- making is absolutely mental. mental like it should and some people are going to have to have a good look at themselves and they'll pull all the excuses out and it will be dead easy to just go to the owners the owners but I don't buy that I don't buy it's just the owners I think if things have been done in the right order then it might be slightly different of course if people are pulling money away from you but if you if you when did they know that when did they know they had to make a sale and if it was early on and J should have just been gone >> simple as that and then Maybe then the Harrison Armstrong situation doesn't happen. As bad as it was, and I know it was the owner's time to sell them, but may maybe that was them going, "What are you doing? We told you you need a sale and we're just going to make that sale. We're going to take that out your hand." So >> for me, I I didn't ever feel like there was ever going to be this big angry demonstration. >> You know, people decide if people wanted to buy stuff in the ground, that was up to them. I was never again >> from day one, I've never really bought I've never bought food in. I've only bought like coffee and that. Yeah, >> and that's my own personal feeling and I'm not not going to push that on other people and I'm not going to to people go and get a pint or whatever. >> Although I think my brother-in-law really did want a pint yesterday and he just wasn't going to get one cuz he knew. >> Um I'm not going to but that's up to people's own personal feelings though. People loads of people go doesn't make a difference and that's fine. I can't argue with them on that. It might make a difference whatsoever. I think that's a personal thing. But I never felt like it was going to be angry unless we got like spanked. And I never expected us to get spanked because I think we are a half decent team. And that like you said, that's the annoyance of the situation is that >> it's >> it's more it's more just like if we had another four or five players that were on the level of, you know, two or three in the team. >> Like I had no problem with selling Burnham. I had no problem selling Patterson. that but when you're when you're selling better and you haven't got your center forward sorted out do you know what I mean if you want it's to me it's c comes down to timing and I think now the owners should be graceful enough to just say this is not what we want and I said to you before on the live like two things can be true at the same time they come into the club >> they've sorted us out >> and and when you think of like where we see the other people who were involved now trip 7 and >> text >> it these these we might look back at this in like two or three years and go well I'm honestly that was really good that they bought us and now we're on to the he did didn't he without I mean if you want to look for little positives they had they needed to buy Shinowat got them and moved the needle with them but it was everywhere >> it might be a case of these have come in used all their n financial obviously the financial heavy every week cuz they've got they're billionaires and they've got all these different companies and they've used all that to get the right banks involved, the right people involved. >> Hopefully, if they get the situation with the concerts and everything sorted out, um Everton will start become a lot more profitable and >> then hopefully like I I don't think any of us are thinking like we want we need to be back at the top table. Um, I think that's a I think that's a thing. >> No, we'd all love to be, but I do think that's a thing that's been taken out of >> football clubs like you've got you've got to build. But what all I want is I want >> owners that care >> enough to like actually be asked to turn up cuz I don't think unless you come into this city, >> how can you get a feel for our club and the way it is? >> I want them to make as much money available as possible, our own money. But if we do need a little bit of bank rolling at times, I'm talking two or 300 million. I'm talking guaranteeing >> money until a sale go through, which they were unprepared to do. Hence why we didn't get Munoz. We didn't get a striker. We didn't have Balagan in a day earlier. Why they were trying to sell Harris Armson? Why they pulled money after with two weeks to go with the window? Like why are you pulling money with two weeks to go a window when you've told the recruitment team whether they done a good enough job or they didn't? you'd pot that money's gone. >> How are you supposed to work like that? You know what I mean? So, we need for me, we need an owner or an ownership group or a consortium, whoever who come in and put everything on the line and go, look, that's your summer transfer pot. Spend it how you how you will, but don't cry ass at the end of it. If you if you haven't got the right players, that's on you, not us. And I also think we need owners who come in >> and actually dictate a strategy. >> Absolutely. >> Because I think the strategy we've got now is it doesn't work. We we >> we we're going to have to we're like we're seeing a rocking at our place, aren't we? The club doesn't make enough money >> and we'll have to sell players. >> So why aren't we buying players >> to sell? Do you know what I mean? Like this is I've seen this yesterday about like get like we should have bought a young center back this summer. >> We should have bought a young center back and like we did with Jabbrand weight and said right we've got two older center backs in our squad. We're going to buy you we're going to put you on loan somewhere and then next year or the year after you're going to and then maybe we're going to have to sell Jared. We probably will won't maybe have to. He'll he'll go cuz he's amazing >> and that center back will go through the same way that Jared's gone and then you bring him in. I think we're sort of we're stuck between this thing like >> we let's be honest we should have bought a center back who's young anyway and Michael Keane should have been sold West Ham wanted to buy Michael Keane on deadline day for whatever three or four mill whatever it was 33 >> but I'm but also though maybe you should have bought two then because I'm talking about like strategy where we develop one and then eventually if they do get sold and that's that's going to that's going to have to be part of our >> it's going to have to be part of our long-term strategy of a club like us until something fundamentally changes in the rules of the game. By the rules of the game, not not owners or and maybe that's what plays a part in these own these their owners decision. It's like we can't we're boxed in. >> We are literally boxed in by these ru these rules are a joke and again I think Cara was talking about them yesterday going football clubs have got nowhere to turn. They can't you know Newcastles and Villas and and maybe us and we've got nowhere to go. We've got no We've got a big shiny stadium. We've got We can't do anything. We're all boxed in. The big six are taking the piss as always. >> So, even if like we said loads of times, even if you want to put loads of money in like you know, it's really impossible. It's really really impossible. I don't know why they've signed up to these rules. They're shocking. They're shocking. They're not any better. >> 40. You need to go need to >> They do instead of going, "Oh, well, one day we might be one of them." You're never going to be them. M >> you're never they've got the head start and they're running away from you. You're never going to beat them. So you need to pull them in line. It's a joke. It's It just doesn't make any sense why we keep on signing up for them or we don't want to rock the boat. Why rock the boat? Become a become a disruptor because otherwise these are going to leave you behind cuz these are they're going and getting their Champions League money which is a de facto super league now. >> Yeah. >> Like you look at like the Champions League when the draws on, no one's even asked. We play eight games or whatever the we play eight games and yeah we'll play a few big ones and we'll play on and we'll get a big pot of money and actually doesn't really get going nearly impossible not to get through in it for the Premier League spares shite and they got through to the quarters or something. No, I'm saying >> like so it's the rules are just don't allow you to do anything. Don't allow you to spend any money. >> It's just it's just it's just like it's just of it's just a joke. And when you see when you know you look at it sometime and we are it's like we're hampered by playing in the league we play in. It's like if we could move to another country and we would have the money but we'd we' we'd be fine but we wouldn't have the money. But >> it's just a joke. Like it's these rules that areo supposed to make it so no one goes well originally brought us in to make sure no one went bust >> that that got legged ages ago when you've got Hull spending the money they've got. >> Spent 200. >> Exactly. It's it's a nonsense. No one's going bust and yet you've still got them in place and all they do is just pull the ladder up and go, "No, we'll buy it. We want it. We want 15 million play. No, we'll buy 215 million players. Thank you very much." You know, and then everyone goes, "Oh, Man City." It's amazing how uh Oh, how the business they do. And it's like, yeah, cuz they steal everybody else's kids when they're 16. They go and take every So, that rule needs to be changed. They rob everyone else's 16 year old kids and Chelsea do the same. and then they fatten them up because they know they'll never be good enough and then they sell them when they're 20 and they get a fortune for them and you think that's a fair system. It's a joke. >> It is a joke. >> It's absolute joke and it just leaves loads of people going but what's the point? Because all and then the flip side of it is all the prices in the ground or for a ticket are through the roof and people are going why am I paying this money? >> I'm paying this money >> for the closed shop >> for a closed shop. We aren't going anywhere. And as a football club and for owners, they must sit there scratching their heads going, how do we deal with this without sort of saying to everyone, we're We've got nowhere to go. Like that that must be the hard Angus can hear whether you like and we don't. He must sit there going, how do I keep morale high? Number one, speak to Baz. But like, how do I keep No, how do I keep morale high? not only in the football club but in the fan base. How do I the number the most the biggest number one thing in football is hope. It's what keep everybody alive, isn't it? It's like every season. >> But when hope starts dripping out, people just go, "Why am I actually going the match?" >> And it's it's >> they need Marinakus. You need Marinakas to go this league. >> Him and his big undies need because he he whether you like him or not, he doesn't give it. Everybody else needs >> they all need to pull together and go pull together. This is it is bollocks though. >> Start cutting the legs off the the top teams. >> Say 200 million is the most you can spend in a window. >> Well, it should have been should have been a cap. >> It's spent 200 million and they just come up. So say that's the the limit >> and then Liverpool can't buy >> the limit. What they first said was for the change the limit was going to be a certain value of what the team at the bottom and slows no we can't have that even though it wouldn't have affected half of them and he said and and the rest just the the last rest just sat there >> and just went and you're like hang on this these over here have got charges against them this other one should have charges with them got off on it >> this one as a is buying players cuz I be on say tours >> like make it make sense. It doesn't make any sense. And everyone's answer to it will be well we just need to sort our stadiums out. So leadeds will pay a fortune or we get that back and it won't it'll just >> they won't go nowhere >> you know really knocking down ground. It it just they don't make any so and they've allowed themselves to be conned >> by these people at these clubs because instead of going instead of like you saying before instead of going no this is a joke and this stops us they've gone oh we we we want to be like you. So what'll happen is we'll find a way to be like you and then these rules will help us. It's like no you're never ever going to break the cycle. No, >> the circle of continues. Back on to yesterday's 2-2 draw. Ty George. Yeah, >> I give him man of the match. He got I think he got the man of the match overall. Let's have a look at his numbers from yesterday. There we go. One goal from an XC of 0.04. He had a 93% passing accuracy. Created three chances, which I think was the most in the game. Completed 80% of his dribbles, which is more than anyone else. Three ball recoveries. won seven out of 12 of his ground jewels and had a rating of 8.3. Um really really impressive display from Tyreek. I give him mana the match also although >> technically I give I give mate L at 81. >> Okay, >> but that's only because that's not cuz he's a sub. It doesn't really count but he was also a man of the match. I give him a 79 on analysis. >> M interesting. Interesting. and the overall match stats from the game. Excuse me. There you go. Everton two, Manchester United to 18 shots to the trophies, 14 to United, six on target for Everton. Just three on target for United. Everton's xG 1.01 uh to 0.69 at 45% possession to Manchester United's 55% possession. But there you go. Um, you know, decent points in the end, fully deserved. And we now go off to Tottenham Hotspur at the weekend, which will be a tough one. They haven't scored a goal yet. So, marvelous. >> Marvelous. But listen, let's go and do it. Let's go and do it. Make sure you do it. Yeah. Make sure you leave a like on the video. Put your comments underneath. We're carrying on. 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