Everton 2-0 Crystal Palace | The Final Word

Welcome to Topy TV. It is the final word. Everton to Crystal Palace nil. I can say something I've not been able to say for 5 years. Everton won the first game of the season and they scored a goal. I mean, you have to score a goal to win the game, but it happened. It happened on Saturday. We've won. We're joint top of the league. It might not happen again for the rest of the season, but right now we're joint top. >> It's a double though, isn't it? We didn't lose. >> Didn't lose. Won the game. Scored a goal because all we were doing was losing all things. Yeah. All things are good. But no, we done well joined obviously by here cuz you can see and pet of course. But um >> a good result Pedro at first game of the season. Clean sheet. >> Yeah. >> Can't really ask for much more than that. >> No. >> Okay. >> That's what you do for that. That's what he did on his player racing. went >> it was a regulation. >> Yeah. >> European champions. I'll have you know >> when you expect to lose to Crystal Palace. >> Meta must help hate playing against us. >> They just scored against us. >> We've got one one team that >> who think we're who are we're their bogey team. >> Absolutely. >> It's our job to beat them and we do that. So, um, if we hadn't beaten them, then >> it would be unusual. >> It would be they'd be held to pay. >> On that basis, we're losing next Saturday then. >> No, probably. >> Only as good as your last game then. >> That's a preview. This is a preview. >> Listen, it just turn up against Palace and get the win. But that's >> it's there. There's just some things there's just some things in the world that are just that are just Crystal Palace and Crystal Palace fans know that >> and Evertonians don't know that as such but Palace fans do. So the Palace fans are so fair play. Um >> yeah I mean this first game of the season and just got good to get a win cuz it feel it's been so long. >> So long. >> It has been March. >> So long since we last won one. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> This is crazy. It's just crazy. >> It was and important as well. important to get off to a good start and >> um >> calm >> calm the noise a little bit. >> Yeah. >> I mean, David Mo, he's done an 11 minute press conference. I >> know. I couldn't believe it. >> 11 minutes. >> Only four minutes, isn't it? >> He normally just walters in and walters out. He's having a good laugh at the end about Andy Burnham >> saying beer should be free and all kinds. So, >> uh you know, he's enjoying himself. >> All the beverages will be enjoying himself. Nothing to me. He's enjoying himself. So, fair play. Yeah, I mean going into it obviously we we've done the live Friday saying an opportunity tricky game but an opportunity nevertheless at home to start >> with a win and and really you know try to build a bit of momentum if you get that good start as we've seen last season you tend to hang around the top half rather than the bottom half and and that's essentially what we did at >> Absolutely. And when we talk about it, I when my match weekend started when the team comes out when David, you know, listen to what I told him and play like he listened to you indeed. >> And Ped >> and Ped and played the the right team. >> And all all was cool. >> All was good. >> And I rocked up at at the wall at half 2 >> just to test the entry as you complain about it every year. >> And I was in me seat at quart to three. >> It was good. I rocked up at 20 to three and had to stand in a big queue. But that's >> Wow. So I came 2 minutes too early then. Um but yes, >> I was still in I was still in well, >> you know, bit of rustiness there, isn't there >> and uh new boys and youngsters and stuff. Um but once we got over that first 20 odd minutes or something, I don't think there was much doubt, was there? I don't chances I think it was about 9648 when I thought we probably won't throw this away now. >> Oh, sorry. Once we got into into the the last 10 minutes, I'm thinking, you know, most teams would just play this out. But last year, >> I'm still I'm Yeah, Man City still fresh in my mind, John. And and Crystal Palace at Cles Park when we they didn't even they couldn't be bothered playing and we still couldn't beat them. So, all fresh. >> Mozy call that out as one of the highlights of the season. We beat Man United away and drew it home to City. >> Like I said, I'm not talking about David. I'm talking about me. I mean, obviously when you see the team get that was the team that obviously we thought, but >> that was we were enthused by him going with Tyreek George. Some people were thinking he'll just play Brennan Johnson cuz he's older and he's played pre more Premier League games. So, >> no, I think if you I think there's been pragmatic and then there's been stupid. But it's not not knowing David Moyes. He'd rather he'd rather play someone who's young who's played all preseason and play someone who hasn't played in season. So >> he's keen on >> he's not stupid. He knows he knows players have got to be ready. >> Yeah. >> And when you look at the four we've got and J's always going to start >> and then it's a case of which one. I think I just thought I think most people thought Tyler Diblin last week it was an opportunity for him to just >> show what he was capable of. But it was always going to be to be George. the way the way things have just been set up for him and buying him and stuff. So, >> but I did always think Brendon Johnson was going to be the first >> first sub out of them to be fair >> cuz I did think he'd want that experience in the in in the latter stages of the game. >> Yeah. >> Um but yeah, it was how I thought it would be. Don't think you needed to be a genius. Certainly after knowing that Nor was going to be out in G. It was nice to see G on the bench, but didn't again Moyes I don't think he was going to rush him back for the first game of the season. >> Don't think there's any point in that again. So, um >> yeah, I think for the most part the team picks itself. I don't think you >> you just can't get like you know people might I I was surprised Arsne wasn't on the bench but then maybe I should. >> He's had enough has he? >> Well yeah as he said okay fair enough. I mean that makes a bit more sense because David Moyes has been using him >> a bit more in preseason and there has been a message that came out with it you know and Angus can sort of said it in them interviews last week that he is he is considering like I wasn't using any more than Armson more and that this year so I was a little bit I was thinking I hope he has had a knock and he's just not made the 20 just number whatever 21 >> we only had one I mean we only had one goalie on the bench that I I mean, what a what a risky what a day. Well, I mean, Crystal Palace started and had an opportunity after a couple of minutes, you know, Taki stretching for a ball instead of just letting it go and running behind and brand done well to get tight, etc. otherwise you'd score you know and then they had the next chance which is a >> one for in Kettier and we've got we've sort of got the stills and it sort of highlighted >> um Merlin Ro like I think Ro has done quite well at right back but but he's not natural there and you have to grow into it and it sort of highlights they've got Adam Walton on the ball here and Mateta sort of getting himself he's got away from Branwait and Tarikovski but Ro has got no sort of idea where Ketier is he sees him but then doesn't sort of go with him. He should be another yard over >> and having Ketier in his view cuz Walton has got the quality which he does. If we just take it on we can see all Adam Walton's got to do drop that ball into that pocket of space behind. Now roll for me the minute that leaves Walton's foot he's just got to go with enettia let offside the lines and he'll deal with that but he doesn't he stands his ground and Ketia goes and then he tries to stretch for a ball but very much like Taki did in the first opportunity and it's a wonderful pass from W and it's dropped over his head and Ketty is in on goal and at this stage cuz I'm sort of right behind this >> you're thinking we could be in big trouble here and Ketty He gets it down. It's and Jordan Pigford goes on and makes an absolutely fantastic save. Gets his left hand out. Obviously, it's the post and a bit fortuitous as well. It doesn't roll to Meta. It rolls past them. >> Um, but I mean, Ped, what a what an incredible save by pick for. >> Yeah, you know, amazing, wasn't it? Amazing save. not nothing that you don't expect them to do, but at the same time when a def when a striker's >> got that much time to sort of pick a spot, but Jordan stayed big and um made the save and yeah, you're right just fell the right place for us to get to get rid. So we we we rode that look a little bit there and as you mentioned there, Mil was like a like a puppy dog playing right back. He was it was just everywhere, wasn't he? >> And it just he just needed to calm down. That's the difference, isn't it, of >> not being a defender, never mind a right back. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Being being you can see what you see from that graphic. He was looking >> at the pass >> rather than checking around because he's that's what midfielders are sort of taught to do. If you go back to the first one, just go back to the first clip, the first thing for us there, James, the very first one. If you look at is it that one? Darkovski is looking at Ro instead of looking where Mateta is because he's worried about where Ro's positioning is instead of going, I'm going with Mateta. >> I'm gonna try and block him off cuz Brande was sort of in no man's land for the whole of that movie. He'd wandered up and then left a big gap behind him. So listen, we know that role isn't isn't the right B. That isn't the defense that have been playing together. something else. They're all probably trying to look out for each other a little bit. But I mean, that's just further demonstration, John, that how important Jordan Pigford has been forever. >> Totally. I mean, whenever we watch other games and the new hairstyle as well, M. >> Whenever we're miss watching games on the telly and the opposition score, I can guarantee what she's going to say. Jordan has saved that. Jordan say not against us generally and he does he does stuff >> which he doesn't wholly get credit for but I think everyone picked up Moyes he started it didn't in his postmatch >> oh sh >> saying a bit of a worldy that you know say as a save but it just lifts the defense doesn't it you know he's there >> well that I mean Roy Keane has say he's just doing his job isn't he and he and what Neville the great Neville Southwell had always said about every shave he makes it that's what I'm there for that's me job But it it was a brilliant save and then tremendous. >> We almost equalized equalized. We almost sort of took the lead ourselves straight from it. We had a good little move and it was showing you when you've got a fullback who's got legs and can get in behind. There's a lovely little slide drill to Merlin roll running down the back and he cuts it back to it. >> It reminded me of Enai's chance right at the end of Palace down there in that he hits it straight to Henderson either side of him. He scores but he it sort of gets under his feet a little bit and he gets a shot away and Henderson makes a save >> and then at the other end we almost go behind again because of the you know they're in behind again and obviously when they cut the ball back Mateta as it's rolled squaring you see him with the whole goal you just it's one yeah David Coleman shouting one was like I mean he missed one last year didn't he missed four last year you know one light >> one one at Gil at Gil one He's improved cuz he hit the post. >> He hit the post that last year he rolled it well. >> But I mean P and that's both of you, you know, obviously your end, but as that got knocked square to him, you've got a great view of that, haven't you? Just expecting them to to knock it in, aren't you? >> Yeah, he cut the he cutters open, didn't he? And >> yeah, you just expect him to tap it in, but then you check who it is and sometimes >> cuz he is he is he is he is >> he's currently arguing to be a free agent. He's lost the fight, hasn't he? >> Has he has it come out today? >> Yeah, they've lost that. >> They're having a little bit of a a rocky time, Palis. But I thought after that I thought the crowd responded brilliantly when obviously cuz we all thought, oh, okay, we've had a couple of let offs and then what happened was I thought Armstrong and Hackne then started really getting on top and nicking things. Jbury all had a very patchy opening 40 minutes. He did. He was a little bit I felt he was a little bit sluggish and when we the one thing he's normally really good at is when we break in the transition his pass gets it and played and >> there was one where he over hit one he under hit one on the break but then >> he sort of got his act together went on a great run and >> lost it for Barry and Barry's done that thing of when strikers hadn't the first game but one of them you want to make sure take a touch and I want to get it all perfect so I can strike it >> just hit should be sideb it takes >> I suppose >> people just look at them don't they and you know you're still hearing people and and yeah right likely so people are still not chewing on them are and >> no >> giving them giving them you know saying we shouldn't have hided them at the club um 50% right >> but it's it yeah I think you know he he he just needs to smash that one first time and >> then no one can really have a go. I think it's the same with a few players. It's like players just love taking a touch. >> They just love taking a touch. When >> you watch so many good players in the Premier League and it's just bang bang bang bang and get you up the pitch so quickly or a shot comes early and the keeper's like sort of ju what makes us look. >> We do. We we part of that. We're playing across when you do it and we go back and it's like just those quick first time passes >> get you in, don't they? We we just we don't do it quick enough. >> No. >> Like it's it's more like get it right than >> than like you know take his chances. And I think >> that's does that come from the manager's own safety or >> I think it's the patterns of play. They're trying to move the opposition about not that one. That one is a striker who >> needs to get his confidence up. Just hit it. Doesn't matter. And he needs someone to say to doesn't matter if you sky that or it makes no difference. Get your shot so he comes across. It's a goal. If you the defender's three or four feet away from you, then maybe you can take a touch and guide it. But they were quite close. Just hit it. Comes across. Just block it back where it's come from. If he saves it, it blocks. When when we're breaking and we're trying to move the ball, we're trying to move the opposition, which is the right thing to do. We can only move the opposition if everything's quick. If everything's slow, >> they just get on that. They don't get your foot on top of the ball going, "What shall I do?" >> That's what they've done. Second half when sort of like the last 20 minutes, we just sat behind the ball and they just moved it so slow. They were never getting behind us >> cuz it was side to side. But we've got to >> we've got to be better with that. But I did think we I thought we looked a little bit hacky. I thought Hackne was brilliant. But then Jbury all had another run. Had a shot which got blocked and then obviously straight from that shot. it comes out and >> was >> Daniel Munos who who was doing his best to uh ask people directions to the Titanic and then Finch Farm as he walked off the pitch later on to stay here and sign >> Harrison Armson takes the ball off and brilliant. We've got it. We've got the the shutter stills as we go through it. So Harrison Armstrong nicks the ball off Moon there and look at we've got the gap there for Dbury Hall. Can he feed it in? plays it in and Kanan Turno Barry making the run as well. And because we've nicked it, we caught him high up the pitch. >> He did. You're in. You're in with a great chance. Now, this is what he's trying to do on that left foot. Just shift it into that space and go across Henderson, which is to the far corner. Still a skill that is a difficult one. And he gets the first touch absolutely right enough to open him. I think it's Richards. Just doesn't get close enough to him. And then obviously arrows it past Dean Henderson into that far corner. And in the next one, I think you can see. Is the next one there, James? No, there is another one, but it's fine. You can't find it. But it's just to see how far away from it Henderson actually is. >> It's sort of past them like it's nowhere. >> Got up a pace really, didn't he? >> It was just too quick. The shot was perfect. >> No time for him. >> I mean, Johnny's proven. He's not the same player cuz I think he's actually I love Tim Kale. >> He's far more superior to Tim Kale technically. Kale was unbelievable for us. But one thing Tim Kale had was he come up when you needed him. He was the one who occasions and I feel like K either in the game necessary or overall. >> It's just, you know, >> and he enjoys himself so much, doesn't he? >> Well, he's he's one thing he's done is he's bought right into the football club. He's come in, he's obviously had this year at Chelsea. They won >> trophies and got medals. He's bit >> he can enjoy himself. >> Yeah. and he's come in and you seen him with the back kissing the badge and all and I know players do that. I know players do that, but I mean P2 million quid. I mean probably we probably haven't spent 25 million quid as well as we've spent it with him in recent years. I don't think I know we still got a way to go but he's had a great year. >> That's what we want players to come straight into your team, don't you? And do that's what he's done. There's >> when people bemoone buying players who are older, you get it at times, but when they come in and they just do the job for you, you can't you can't bemoone that, can you? You can't you can't talk about resell values and all that nonsense. You're talking about a player who's coming to the team and affects the team every single week and is a major driving force of the team while other players aren't. people I don't know whether people forget or not but like back end of last season the amount of goals he scored >> that were hugely important for us or you know um >> and he's he's done what we all what we >> what we actually criticize so many players for not doing which is >> he has bought into the club straight away and the amount of players that don't do it and you are just like you what are you doing you are idiots to yourselves like I I remember I remember being at the ground last year and I think him and him and um Barry had done a signing or something in the shop and I I >> I can't even remember what I'd been doing but I've been doing something in the ground filming something in the ground >> and I went in the shop and I was talking to me mate and he's still milling about and me mate said to me he's just bought like 100 tops or something and >> and like or whatever it was and he's getting loads of them printed and stuff like that >> which is a pain in the ass cuz he's changed his number now. So, he's going to have to get them another new lot. >> Um, but I just he he bought him from the club from day one and I just >> it just it it it winds me up how many players sort of are so hesitant to buy into the football club and it's like we'll keep you at arms reach and it's like he's gone >> is that experience as well though from >> I don't know if it is experience cuz you play for Leicester and Chelsea. No, no, but what I mean by that is you play for Chelsea with the most sort of plastic club going and and and and you you think well I don't even know what there is to buy in at Chelsea. Whereas I think if you buy into Evan that's the first thing I'd say to any player who signed for like if I was like >> advising is like just >> buy into it. Don't be fake about it and you'll get it. We got it when we met him like sticking around wanting to talk to us for 20 minutes >> want to hear the stories going what is it like >> what is the atmosphere how are you feeling of the new ground he wanted to know all that and I just think when you get those relationships and it's real you can understand how fans are and there's so many of them who are just the stupidest people for not wanting to go it's almost like oh I've been told this and I've been told that I've been told oh don't engage >> live in Manchester or Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't even mind the fact that he lives he he probably lives in Manchester. I >> No, I don't mean that. >> No, no, but it's not stay away from fans sort of >> um I I just don't understand this idea of like when people sign and it's like, well, I play for the club, but I don't want anything to do with you. I feel like when when you do when you do engage with the fan base and when you do buy into and you do do the X a little bit where the where the club go, we are there's a mobile phone just say some nice things and they do do it. I I think you get the rewards for it because people will love you for it. And it's it's when they go the other way and they're like, "Oh, I don't really want to do this." Stand off. >> Yeah. And I >> Well, you become easy then. If it's not working, it's all right if you if you're like that and delivering every week people go, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah." But >> if you don't see this is like I think this is >> for like Dominic Calbert Lu and things like that. He he never bought into it. Not saying he didn't like really enjoy playing for Everton, but he wasn't able to like >> don't make a connection. He'll get that connection and he's not the there's been t I'm just using him because he was someone who did deliver at times though bought into the football and everyone and look at him now he's like dying to get back and when players just put themselves why wouldn't you though you play for you signed a four year 5year contract and you want it to go well why wouldn't you throw everything into it why wouldn't you be the the >> because if if you if it does go really well and you do get a I moved to City or whatever, fans will just go, I'm devastated they've left, but they're not going to sit there and go, >> don't like him, don't like him. >> Whereas players have left and they >> people don't like them. Yeah. >> Don't like them cuz they've by or they've done this or they've done that or they can >> they just not bother about you just know when people are being fake. That's the other side of it. and he's he's been absolutely brilliant and it is all that buying and he does deliver and that makes him even more likable cuz he is the one who gets you out of it >> and he'll get a bit of leeway as well. >> The one thing I would say when you said experience as well is the experience of understanding >> when fans are just annoyed by the entire thing >> and might point fingers and might and it's that thing of >> it's in the moment stuff. It's understanding. I think I think you know the other goal scorer may have learned a little bit of that >> over the summer of like >> there's a time when people might get on me back but you know what this means everything to them. So >> don't just take you know put your head down go and inflame it and >> but he even said didn't he usually always think one of the only ones who said at the end of the season it's unforgivable what's happened we were in Europe and we've blew it's on us so you know people can be moan unhappy but we've we've we've followed it up other people kind of said they couldn't understand it or hid away and he fronted a lot on us we should have you know we understand the fans fuming because we should have put it >> and there's no value is there in >> well it's the chief exec saying how gutted the players are >> when only one of them actually said it >> well sure >> and then it has to be >> not fake i.e. Don't go out and say, "Oh, it was on us." Cuz we'll know, won't we? >> It's always the players who don't who don't do their part. Don't do their job. >> It's the players who go, "It was on us. They're always the ones who actually did do their job." >> Absolutely. You know, >> his emotional bank with the fan base is full up. >> I mean, even like Saturday, even Saturday, he was like talking around and just before he had that flurry, I was like >> I was like, "Oh my god, he's all over. He's like miles off it." >> I said, but and I literally said this to I was like, "He's miles off it." But he's one of those players that'll make something happen. And then 2 minutes later going and you said he was smiling was like he was miles off it. I told you that bounce but you can do that when people have got standards. You can do that when there's a player you watch every week and you go I expect more out of them and they expect more. >> I knew he he'll deliver something. That's the difference. >> Sometimes our fan base gets too cozy with garbage players and that's that always annoys me as you well know. >> And um >> and I've seen it again on Saturday. What? What? Okay. What are you clapping? >> You were doing well. >> What is clapping? >> You were doing well. >> Um, no, I don't care. What are you clapping? >> Um, >> it's history now. He's being >> No, I know. I just don't get it. I'll never get it. A guy who clay asked on transfer deadline day cuz we never got sold and people are clapping them. I'll never understand it. But that's that's just me and my my my issues. Um but but like we you know we do at times allow poor players to just festered at our football club. I know you've got one. >> Um we've had loads. >> No, but that's the thing where it's like when you've got really good players, I think you can go a good game today, but you'll but it's half the thing of like you'll pop up in a minute and he'll do something because you expect the same with J. Yeah, you know, people be very very critical of Jai and then it's like, well, yeah, but he's still also brilliant. >> But look at that. Still is also brilliant. >> We got So went in at our time, one n I mean, we should have had the Well, hang on. Sorry, let me rephrase it. We It was a penalty. It was a penalty. It was 100%. The thing that annoyed me was the referee was right by it and didn't give it. And I know it would have been ruled out cuz he was offside something, but it was a penalty. >> Why didn't he inactive? What did that mean? It came up on the screen inactive and I was like who's inactive? What's inactive? >> That was to someone by him and that was the first I don't know I don't know because obviously >> the fact that I'd offside me it was a penalty penalty and the referee got it wrong. He was stood right by it, but got in one nil at the break and then came out and I thought what we did really well too few times over the years we're all we've seen this this play many of times where Everton come out and they're not at it early on in the start of the half and you can let that imposition go. But I actually thought we were I thought we we suffocated them in the first sort of 20 minutes of the second half. They were trying to play out twice and we took the ball off them. That's right. >> We were on top of them. You know, we'd had a we'd had a shot. We had the cross that fizz right the way across and they were like sort of you could see they were sort of under a little bit of the kosh and then we go and get the second goal which is brilliant tim and we've won a free kick on the wing game just going to put it up now and one thing that is brilliant is while they're still reorganizing Peyton Hackne just looks up and plays that little >> well he actually looks up and says and do you want this there's the arrows there please >> so he plays it down the line got Barry in the middle there and J's going to go one v one Barry's just got to make that run into that pocket between the penalty spot and the sixyd box and it can't really put it in. This is why I liking Jai on this side because it is someone going on the outside he can put a ball in >> cuz if he's on the other side he has to turn back or if we've got maybe dibling on this side you have to check back onto the left foot but it's an old fashion just get that cross in and Jai there he is can he put it into it. It's a fantastic ball in Barry rises heads it hits the defender as well. Goes beyond Henderson and into the net and absolutely sort of you know you can see him there. >> He got well over the defender. He's above there and this is a player who you know score goals >> like this >> for Villa by putting crosses in and last year Everton just didn't get anywhere near the >> last year saying >> well well you know we don't think he's great and he's not doing the other things >> do that help the lai do the things that he might be all right at then cuz he's in your team so it was a wonderful m where I sit is the view you can see it it's the bend on the ball and seeing him rise and it was an Everton center forward goal James must have had a decent view of that as well. >> Yeah, he's above me in that thing. So, it was a great ball. He's got up well, you know, and it's ended up in the back of the net and >> and for a center forward to get off the mark day one seemed quite happy. >> Yeah, it was ball, wasn't it? I I mistakenly said thought it was me and Ro who played the ball to my first >> uh but obviously Hackne very quick and uh you don't see it you don't see it in do that very often though just just pushing it and and getting ac um great ball in and he's beaten and he's left the >> left England's number three or whatever it is um flatfooted and and and he's put in the back of the net although there was talk that it might have been an own goal and taken off him but >> no one yeah it does hit the lad is going on target, you know, >> but listen, it's the when you play up front, you're the striker, you you want to get day one, you want to be off the mark, all you can do and it'll help him and and you know, people want I know people still want other I want another striker to come in as well, but >> that you know to seeing Ji do that great ball in great and you know to be 2 up then that early in the second half and then you know we had opportunities to really put the game to bed you know and J himself a lovely little move Barry does well finds him And either side of the keeper it's 3-0. >> You know Tyrie George has one where he throws the left foot at it and it think it went towards the mer went for a throw in. He had a very good game. He had a very good game. Ty George. There was still there's still bits he needs to do. Me and P were talking on the live at dinner time. He sometimes he sent Munoz the chippy about eight times but didn't cross it. He wouldn't he wouldn't have put the cross in for the goal. That's the difference. He either tried to take him and then come back. >> Yeah, but remember the Sunderland game the last Well, how could we ever bleed and forget it? But that one when he went on the outside, but I think that's that that's where he has to get to is that >> when there's an opportunity to cross it or when there's an opp when there isn't an opportunity, that's when you come back. >> That's what he's got to learn. He looks up, no one's there checking. But there was a move in the opening sort of five or six minutes. I think it I think it was just after Mateta where we got him in and he went in the box and tried to play it across with his left foot but the keeper gathered it and they done that first time >> quite close by line. >> Yeah, but he's got to keep he has got to keep doing it. If he mixes it up, but one time he's on the outside and crosses it, then the next time he goes on the outside and checks back, he's going to make the fullback have a even harder time cuz you're not going to know which way. got to do that cuz if it's in their playbook that they always come inside then it's a lot easier >> easy to easy to >> lot easier to defend >> I thought I thought in that period I thought Hackne and Armstrong >> were brilliant I think Hayden Hackne the thing that early I gave a man of the match over Harrison just by width of a paper >> simply because it was his Premier League debut and what I thought what I really liked about him was the amount of times he's available for a pass he's always on >> he And then the odd time when we needed to give it the al Peter K up the pitch, he did it. He didn't ask, but bounced and he just smashed it like we reset. And I just don't think Ed didn't do that enough. I think sometimes we're trying to play out when we don't need to. And he was he was capable of just putting his foot through it. But the amount of times he got it, knocked it, turned, played it, wanted it back again. He's always playing in little pockets. I thought he was brilliant. But >> he's not shy either, is he? >> Good players aren't. Good players. Get in. >> He's a kid. M >> and he's obviously getting a load of verbal because they all get it all the time and he's pushing people away and >> if there was a rumble he'd turn up wouldn't he? I think you've got Harrison Armson 19 years of age, you know, he's a lad who has there's obviously over the summer been lots of talk because obviously Norard's arrived and we've got Hackne, we've already got James G, we got Jbury Hall, Iraun's there, Charalia. So there's a lot of competition for places in there and it's like what is the best thing for Harrison >> and he's he's a little bit fortunate that the injuries are happening right now >> but I mean P 19 what a what a performance. I thought in first half I thought he was a little bit a little bit you know in and out trying to find the right way. Spatial awareness was uh not >> well we were a little yeah we were a little bit open in midfield but I thought once they got hold of it in the second half I thought we were outnumbered they both had a really good game. >> Well this is the thing with sorry I go back to but that's the thing with Palace because and we found this last year because they're the only ones who play that box midfield the way they play it >> it's not what you're used to playing. So therefore that's why there was a lot of pockets. Someone like Norard the experience and where he sits would have helped and I think once we got to grips with that >> I thought we had no issues with it after that and and him in particular he's everywhere isn't he? No, the it's brilliant to see just you know I think he made his debut two years ago >> so had the lot alone couple of loans >> and I think now this is where he has to >> you know >> again I go back to like play >> he's a player who's he's got a lot more about him than just one feature. So, you know, >> that's why he'll, you know, I imagine will be moved on if he's fit >> because he's a little bit and >> I think him and Hackne have got more more to the game. Same with James Garner. >> Yeah, >> they've got more to the game whereas the others I think you can Charlie Alcaras, you can put them in pockets, can't you? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I think these can do a lot more. >> And that's that's going to become the challenge now, isn't it? Because that debate about finding alone isn't going to we talked about it saying no he's got to stay and develop here but when they're all fit >> only if he's going to play that's what I was about to say when they're all fit you got to find minutes for him on you >> well I think we were having this conversation walking home after the match on Saturday it's like you've got even if you even if you push him and Karas to one side for now cuz we don't know whether they're going to be here long term >> Evan have got six center midfield players for three positions >> you know provide me get a right back >> you know and rolls back in >> and any three permit any permutation of three of them I think is is is still good option you play three >> you know don't forget James Gam was our player of the season last season >> he come off the bench for 20 minutes Christian Norard's very good and is the actual only designated six we've got Merlin rolls legs isn't he >> and with the way he wears his shorts almost you know high shorts like the 80s people his legs look even longer you know what I and he's everywhere. So, you have got players who you could mix that midfield around really. That's what we should be. >> I just don't think there's room for onedimensional players in there. I just don't think there I just, you know, >> just don't think it's the case. I think you need >> you need and and they'll get opportunities cuz as we said the other day, this is the big test now, isn't it? Moisian went to make subs >> and I thought on Saturday again he dragged his feet just a little little bit cuz they they brought subs on and you could see the energy. >> The freshness >> the freshness just just allowed him to get on the ball a little. He did drag his feet a little bit. He's going to have to stop that. >> He's going to have to start trusting. >> Got to be brave. >> He's going to have to start trusting players to go right. You come on. And uh he's got no problem doing that with >> take Barry off did he? You know he did but he but he has no issue doing that. and the wide players, you'll do that all day, but it's got to be, >> you know, you're seeing other teams now changing the center backs and all kinds. This is the modern game now. >> This is the modern game. If you've got if you've got to, you know, >> you you could look at Saturday and go towards the end and go, well, why not take off and put O'Brien on for the last 10 minutes? >> Do you know what I mean? Like that's the way the game is now. You need you need that freshening up of the side when other other teams are starting to change things around. Don't get me wrong, San L coming on for Meta is not doesn't exactly >> but that's how you keep a bigger group happy, isn't it? Or happier. Yeah, they're not going to be happy if they're not starting, but they know get minutes. >> It's all part of a you're part of a squad. >> Yeah, >> being part of the squad's great, but you do have to feel like you contribute as well. But before we just let's just have a look at Namson numbers just while we're here. Um there we go. Passing accuracy 89% line breaking passes. Love that one. >> Seven assists one. He had two tackles, 11 ball recoveries, 16 defensive contributions. He won four of his jewels and his rating was eight out of 10. And he the most distance covered and the most number of defensive contributions. And this was something that David Moyes actually checked in the press conference said, "I was a little bit worried about people's legs, but no worry about Harrison." And I think it was either Jewsbury all or Hayden Hackne that it was like Armstrong. I think it was said he's got legs for he can just run and run and run and run and run and that's fantastic attribute to have when you are also a really really good footballer to be able to do that distance as well. Um I think you know we did see Betto coming on for Barry. We saw Charlie Alcarez coming on. >> Um Brennan Johnson you know got a one out as well which was good for him. James Garner. It was great to see him back on the pitch, albeit the manager still still sort of ended up saying we had nobody else. Well, I mean, you you've got an under 21. I know they played the night before, but you there is other players in the club. If James Garner really was that bad, why did you bring him on them? You know what I mean? It was good to see him back. The one slight I've said a few times, the one slight little disappointment for me was Tyler Dibling. Didn't get on the pit. Yeah, >> Illeman and Jai was knackered. There was one below us where we won the ball below me where we won the ball back >> and he was knackered. He couldn't like he was walking with the ball that >> it was quite early in the second half he was saying give it to someone else. So he was managing his own fitness >> again. That's that's where he's got to he's got to like improve himself. >> Yeah. >> Cuz he can he's got someone not having a big enough squad. Well, >> what happens if you get more players? >> You know what I mean? What are you going to do with them? You know what I mean? >> He's already at the point where he has to Well, he's got to leave players off the bench, hasn't he? >> Well, he will. >> He's got, you know, we I just sometimes it's just he's >> I just think I just I think Tyler Dibling well enough preseason really well last week. He started last week and he can't and again people just scratch their heads and go >> just give him the last five minutes. you give us five minutes for for you know for you know let let um enjoy come off and get clapped off and you know got an assist done well >> I don't know how the the three substitute I don't know the windows when the last window was so someone might go yeah that's like a new part of the game you've got to that's another part of the game you're going to have to start managing now you can't just you've got to be like more >> you've got to be more organized in your thinking and think well What the What was the last sub? Was that the fifth sub when he brought fourth sub? Was >> that the fourth? We only made four. We only made four. >> So in that last sub, why not just bring >> Alarazz and Alcaraz and Dib it when >> he brought it should have been Alcarz and Diblings. Yeah, I was Kane. >> Exactly. I did and and we're not like kicking them or not, but like that's what >> when you're about managing a squad and making a making making players feel, >> you know, confident about it. So that maybe on Wednesday night at Dibblin starts or whatever. It's >> it's just those little touches, isn't it? >> And it makes a big difference. So you play if you're getting on it doesn't matter and the winning. So he's he's running on in a winning feeling and the team you know run around get it maybe attack maybe play a nice little ball in and the whistle goes the crowd the clap and you feel like you reach >> the thing though from last season that like >> the how many how many times were like there was was the the the team that won and then there was everybody else so everybody else was like you know was your Patterson and >> you know your goalie and one of your center backs and >> I feel like you're excluding them because they're actually like real members of the team. They're just like people that you've got hanging around. >> Good old Craig on the bench. And um >> you want to make those players feel part of like no, you're going to be part of this. And that's why I don't like that's why I've never subscribed to this thing. If I carry out I'm going on loan. It's more like no no back in the last season was definitely part of the team. It's up to him. Once you're part of the team, it's up to you then every single day to break into that team. You haven't got a godgiven right to walk into this side. >> My manager said that, didn't he? And there'll be always be there'll always be players in the squad who were on the way out and there's players who were on the way in. What you want to say to Tyler Diblin is you're one of the players on the way in. Don't worry about you. You I'm going to give you a chance and you've got to take it. Uh and you know and hopefully he will do >> and maybe that's where other players are start like that's where other players start considering their futures then don't they? That's why McNeel probably left. It's why Tim will probably leave. Maybe that's why Jacob Bryan maybe feels like he needs to leave. >> They can't visualize getting >> Yeah. because they can't see they can't see how they get into this team, >> especially if you're a center back. >> But I do think >> with a football club, it's really important that Tyler Dibland is especially now after having a few good games where you go, >> don't leave him on the bench for two >> because surely you've got to know that >> all that preseason. >> It's not tough love that's going to get this kid playing. It's putting an arm around this and that means giving him five minutes and he deserves five minutes cuz he was great last week. So like >> I'm with you. I'm with you. I think it's that's to me he's >> got to try and build them up. We want to build them up. He's got to earn it. Don't get me wrong. If he keeps coming on and it's not happening, then there's a different conversation. But >> he's shown preseason as a player there. We didn't really see it last season, >> but he's shown enough preseason. We want to build on it. Hopefully, listen, hopefully he plays and hopefully has a really good game. It' be great for him to get an assist or a goal at Preston and just announce himself as as an Everton player. Let's have a look at the match stats from the game. And I know they were behind, but they made all their subs before we made one. >> Yeah. No, I know. I know. It was a bit a bit Evan Palace. 16 shots to Evan, 11 to Crystal Palace, five on Tiger for us, four for them. Played the better xG. Well, Mateta on his own probably had a better xG. 1.12 and 1.96 and they had 58% of the possession. And a lot of that was in the last 25 minutes where we just decided to fully play on the counter attack. I mean to just when you look at it like that and and Everton we're managing the game and that's fine cuz you see top teams doing this as well. It's about managing it and it's a professional performance. Was the little bit of frustration that at 2-0 and they were wobbling big time. We didn't we didn't carry on going for it. Or are you all right with the >> Let's sort of see it. All right. >> Cuz my my worry is >> first game. >> If you give something cheaply away though, all of a sudden the momentum's gone away from you and you end up bing. I'm guessing you did because most of us probably did had the little well we're in the last 10 minutes now and there's going to be some added all that >> and you think they get a goal. >> Well, especially cuz the poor lad we have to say oh for them not as well he was badly >> day one doing his ACL wishing speedy recovery as well. terrible. >> But we'd have wobbled, weren't we? >> Oh god. Yeah. >> So no take no chances. >> Win two nil. We'll go home happy. >> But they did bring on last which really helped us. >> Well yeah was hardly an upgrade. >> You think Newcastle to think Newcastle just like >> 50 million. I remember being on Skylac on deadline day when that was happening and the bulls were about to sign it for them and I was just sitting there going again. It's like players new clothes. It's just like mental. >> It's the thing is like he had a good little run for Wolves, didn't he? He scored a few goals, but I remember when when you were in we beat remember we beat Wolves 4-0. That one of the only games we won. >> Watch them that night and he was some of his link up play was nice. He couldn't run. >> Yeah. >> He was like he'd lay it off and the move had broken down and been cleared before he got up to the edge of the box and you're like >> you'd be all right if you could run but you can't run. And in a league that is essentially built on being mobile, I mean Newcastle, I mean, you know, they ended up paying 70 million for Walter made and that didn't work either, did it? But they must be thinking, thank God they didn't pay 60 odd million for him because gez, >> you know, >> they haven't had a good buying record, have they? >> But I mean, listen, we go to, you know, we've got Preston this week. I asked Ped this at lunchtime. I mean there's saying a ped there's a world where Everton can make 10 changes on Wednesday and still have a decent side >> but it's that you see it's that every all of us every other well not every other but a lot of clubs would make those eight or nine changes though wouldn't he car and negotiate the game probably comfortably. Yeah, >> and maybe we could in a different multiverse, but we've been in a place where, >> you know, there's sound bites, aren't there, which is the manager sees them every day, right? And the postmatch when you've lost is I put a team out that should have won. >> Well, it didn't. >> So, put a team out that how many Okay, you're looking at that side just very briefly before we finish. >> How many who's who has to play for you? >> Oh, yeah. the team that start who has to play cuz that's an easier way of doing it. >> Barry. >> Barry has to play >> cuz I can't put Betto in. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Jordan Pigford >> or are you okay with Mark? >> I'm all right with Travis coming in. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um one of the two center backs who played at the weekend after >> shouldn't play. >> You wouldn't go Keen O'Brien. >> No. >> Nice. roll at right back. Tack O'Brien. >> See, the midfield is the midfield's a problem, isn't it? Because it a problem. >> No, what I mean is >> you play one game. >> No, I'm saying what I'm saying is there isn't much rope because he's not going to play James Garner. The only sort of way he can break midfield up is put al midweek game in the >> I know, but we haven't got a car. >> We haven't got a midweek game. >> We haven't got a midweek game. December in the Premier League. Um, no, but we haven't got a midweek game till December in the Premier League. Said it in me own voice. >> It does. Yeah. >> Uh, so that other one was >> Carabal Cup is So, do you know what? In the in the third round, you could I could see us making changes, but for tonight it went to I don't preseason. I think it'd be good for Alison Armstrong. It' be good for Hackne to play another Armstrong want to play cuz obviously he's playing first time. >> I think it'll be good. Okay. You might want to swap. You might >> What about Dibling then? >> Yeah, you might leave. You might leave J out. >> I'd leave out Johnson >> cuz he'll want to he'll want game time only. >> We'll play Johnson up front. >> Yeah. Put him in. >> Put him in at 10ish. KDA. >> He's starting to make changes now. John. >> Yeah. All of a sudden John's up to eight changes. >> Four or five changes maximum. And that includes the keeper, doesn't it? So >> I I see for me I wouldn't be dropping Jordan. Not dropping them. I wouldn't change the goalkeeping pers at home. Maybe at Hill Dickson, I might play Travis. I I would play Pigford there. I really would. I just think >> I think when you see the when you see the goalie >> isn't Jordan Pigford, you're sure to go more of a chance. >> It shouldn't, but you all Well, I do. I automatically think, "Oh, we're not that bothered about it then cuz Pford's not playing." And Pigford, don't forget the other thing is he had no preseason. >> He's literally played 45 minutes against >> Leot on the thing. So for me he would if he's tempted to play O'Brien and Keen I think he'd have to play Jordan. >> I think Jordan for me personally I'll play Jordan. If we get through and get a home tie then maybe Travis plays at home in the in the next round. But I for me personally I think Jordan would have to play. But I hope as fit and is considered even if he's just half an hour off the bench. But um yeah, there there's a horrible thing of like you want to try and give the squad some minutes but >> got to win. >> If it ends up with you, you're trying to do that and then >> then we watch them and we go, "God, we were crap." And you go, "Yeah, why were we crap? They lost both." >> Cuz we brought 10 players in who don't play together. So they're not going to look good, are they? You know, >> they're not a team. 10 players. Yeah. >> So it's a trick. It's a >> It's one of them, isn't it? You can sometimes be caught between the two. But listen, we won the first game. Brilliant. We're we're in the Champions League places. We're above Liverpool. Get get it all out quickly with joints. Get all of these things out while it while it all still trueisms. >> No, it was great to start. So hopefully we can uh we can build on it. There you go. 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