Everton 1-0 Ipswich Town | The Final Word

[screaming] Welcome to Toffee TV. It is the final word. Uh, this is going to be a little bit clunky cuz cuz it's me and James and there's no one else here. So, I'm doing the cameras and he's doing the graphics. So, it's going to be >> Yeah, we got a lot of jobs today. >> We got We got not just talking to the camera. We've actually got we've got we've got we're doing jobs at the same time. So, um, Everton unbeaten. >> Yeah, >> obviously. >> Living the dream. >> We're living the dream. We are We're We're unbeaten. >> The, um, we're in all the cup competitions. We've got, you know, we're we're invinc with the invincibles. >> Yeah. >> Goes on, bro. I mean, what are your thoughts on on that? I think if you sort of if you go back to what the end of the transfer window was like and sort of what the general vibe in this room in the comments for that 24-hour stream was everyone was very down talking about like you know we haven't got a squad we're not going to be able to really compete and you know it's going to be another struggle another maj if if you would have said to us you know we'd be unbeaten we' still be in the cups which is you know being in the cups we spoke about this loads on the channel before saying you know Everton notoriously haven't really taken this trophy seriously and you know get knocked out fairly early and so the fact we're still in that and we're unbeating in the Premier League and as much as you know some of the performance haven't been great I think last season when some of the performances went great we were losing the games or we were drawing them but at least now we're winning them or getting draws out of them so me I'm really happy with how the season >> no I'm listen don't get I'm sitting here at the start of a 3-we break you know couple of weekends free well one of them's free the other one's not free um and everything's sort of rosy in the garden. when you go back to um when you go back to transfer deadline day >> and you think of you know I know the season we'd already kicked off into the season but when you look back on that day and when you look back at that window and you you just think about like the doom and gloom you know it's it's a credit I think to everybody uh in the playing staff and the coaching staff and the manager Yeah, >> that we've got to, you know, we've got to essentially the end of the month. >> Yeah. I I know I know it's not fully the end of but we've got to the we've got to where we are a few games later without any real drama and you know okay we've had a couple of couple of injuries and but we I think the biggest I think the biggest service you can sort of say to to where we are right now and I know it's still early on the season and I know we've only played five games and plus couple of cup games but what I would say is all of the noise about the beacons has sort of gone away. The noise about like, you know, the the the anger and everything is is is gone away and and this and that. There's time for that to come back. There'll be a right time for that. There's, you know, we're we'll go a match and we're all we're all just behind the team and and all that sort of drama that it's important sometimes that you do protest and it's important that you make your voice heard. But I think for the most part, the fact that we're we're doing all right is is is keeping that away. And I think that we do want that away. We we want we want the owners to be invested in us. And if they're not, then we want us to we want them to sell. But also, if they are trying to sell, >> it's good that we are winning games and and as a fan base, we are um we're not making the wrong noises that might scare anyway anyone away. So from that point of view it's it's it's it's been a good few weeks. >> Yeah. Well, there was them comments when different people I know some people didn't like them, some people did, but he was talking about how you know when when when everything happened with the deadline day and you know Ballan and whatever whatever that like he seen though people really turn starting to like turn towards the team saying we're going to be in a relegation fight you know these players aren't good enough and stuff and he spoke saying like you know we we we're all still going to fight here. still going to give it all and we all still, you know, love playing forever and, >> you know, they're motivated by the fact that they're a small squad. And I think they sort of shown they've show sort of shown that that you shouldn't really be worried that the players that we do have are good enough to sort of still fight in the Premier League and still combat it. And you know, now other players, you know, we'll get on to it probably in a bit, but you know, the last game you seen Alare step up and get the goal. this game you're seeing Tyler Dib come on and have a really good game and sort of change like sway opinions on him and it's all these like sort of players who on the outside they're all now getting their opportunity properly. They've got to, haven't they? At the end of the day, they've got to. But I mean, just talking about the team, um, obviously he made uh he left Jack Leish in the team from the cup game and he and then and but obviously Brennan Johnson stayed in the scene with with from obviously the last Premier League game, George um moving to the bench. I mean, there are talk there is there is talk that he was ill. Yeah. Right. So, I'll I'll I will caveat it. Um if you if you you know after the game I was well before the game I wasn't particularly too happy and if you watch the match match vlog you'll have seen that and if you watched at the end the game I wasn't particularly happy. If he was ill then fair enough. >> Yeah >> then fair enough I sort of understand it. Um but what were your initial thoughts when you saw that team? Yeah. Well, so when we when we've been talking about I've been saying, you know, I thought Gish would start now cuz I think, you know, Moyes comments about him saying, you know, about like he's probably better with like a ball at his feet and stuff like that and actually playing games better and them training. So, I thought he would eventually like make it after the walls game though. He didn't have the best game, you know, he started his first game and that was his time. But I definitely was surprised by George because he's sort of in like Evans attack has been like >> the shining bit of it at the minute. you know, he's like really kicked on this year and caused him issues and even when he came on against Wolves the game before his first touch like sat down the Wolves defender. So I thought, >> you know, he's leveled up and I thought it was too soon for Tyler Diblin. >> Yeah. >> Because you know, he had a good performance and then I think what Mo is doing now is right, you know, giving him >> little bits of time here and there now as the season goes on and, you know, eventually probably will get starts. And then Brennan Johnson's weird because I don't know he's he's been a bit quiet I think since he joined and I don't know I was surprised that he start cuz I just thought it was just assert that George would be starting on the right and I don't know if this about him being it was right or not. >> Yeah. >> But >> yeah and you know we spoke about him um potentially being like the backup striker and for that reason you wouldn't really expect him to be starting on the right anymore because he just gives that a different option. I don't know. I I was surprised and I felt sort of sorry for George that he never got the start. >> Yeah. I think George has been >> our best player this season like in in attacking. I think he gives us something no one else play no other player officers which is a player who's quick with the ball. He can all be players can all be quick off the ball but a player who's quick with the ball. Um not to finish the article by any means but a player who's quick. So I was surprised by that. I was I was obviously Harrison Armstrong come back into the team as well because the manager I think he feels like he gives us something a little bit different a little bit devilment. Um, and it was actually Harrison Armstrong who created the first opportunity for Brennon Johnson >> uh down at the the North Stand and that was what was that about about five, six, seven minutes into the game and >> these are the go the these are the opportunity. I mean it's a great it's like that ball we've seen we saw this in preseason Marrison >> that sort of like >> it's a straight ball but he doesn't play he's like almost facing another way when he plays it and it was a brilliant ball. was a nice little move and >> the touch was lovely as well. >> Everything all he had to do is hit the target. Well, and and he he goes with too much accuracy and and drags it wide and you're thinking Barry in a great start for us and a great start for Brennan Johnson to get himself, you know, get that first Premier League goal. We've obviously seen him score in the Caribel Cup, but just getting that especially after last week missing the opportunity at Spurs, it was a it, you know, for me I I thought it was a really poor miss. Yeah, I think I think you're right. I think you know when he came on against Preston and he got that goal and assist, it was like it uplifted the fans a bit. You know, everyone was talking about how like how good he was and >> you know having a go Crystal Palace fans who have you know they spoke very openly saying and same with Forest and Spurs that you know he is a confidence player and once like the fans are behind him he sort of reaches new levels and that's how he's done so well before and so I think you're right. I think first five minutes if he gets that goal I don't know it lifts the stadium it lifts him and then it sort of can he carry it on can he kick on with it now and like continue to sort of progress and I I think you're right I think the touch he done was like was like a perfect touch it was like a a lovely little move and the fact he just put it wide was so frustrating and especially you know one of his strengths is his finishing and you know the the Spurs game missing that one and missing this it's sort of adding up but >> yeah it's just it is disappointing Not really. >> No, I mean it's it would have settled. I mean, it it didn't it didn't mean too much cuz we we it didn't take us that long to score the goal cuz we'd started brightly and moving it around well and and >> you know, I think every everyone was disappointed from that. And the best thing you can do when you have that kind of disappointment is is get a goal. It didn't take us that long to get to get us a goal. Um ball falls to ball falls to Taki who who smashes one towards the goal and there we see Tel Barry adjust his body. >> Yeah, >> I think that's all you can say. That's give him the benefit of the doubt. Just his body. See, you know, catch it on the chest and it goes into the corner and >> give us that lead and it's a again he hasn't scored in the Premier League since the first game of the season. So, it's it was good for him that they're the ones you need. They're the ones that we don't you know you take your you take buy your ticket to certainly and it hits and goes in and that's exactly what we needed. >> Yeah. I think I think this season you know I was quite critical about it last season. I think similarly like Betto I think the situation that they were in just made it really frustrating for people like watching it and >> you know seeing him coming off the 70s and Betto coming on or vice versa. It was like it I don't know they were coming on and need them were really like impacting the game. So people were getting annoyed and myself included. But I think this season now that he's got sort of the certainty that he's like the number one striker now I think his game has leveled up a bit and you know he obviously started the season off well scoring four goals or whatever in the first two or three >> and then it has quieted down but I think just his overall players improved like way more than what it was last season. you know, things like his touch, you know, how he use his body, like his strength, stuff and the runs he's making and the fact that he is getting into the right positions. I think if you go on like stats websites, he's the he's the >> he's got the highest expected goals in the league, which >> I know he he hasn't he hasn't scored them. He's only scored two goals, but the fact he's getting in the positions and the fact, >> you know, he is getting a high XG is, you know, the Brenford spoke about Beto saying about, >> you know, it's not necessarily about the quality, but it's the situations they're getting themselves into and he keeps getting himself in enough situations, then eventually he will start scoring. So, I think that's the biggest company you can give to Barry is that his whole his whole game, not just scoring, has leveled up and given him these opportunities. Let's have a look at the goal. You've got the stills there and obviously you can see balls about to drop to Taki. >> Yeah. Drops through and volleys it as a volley. I mean it's a good if from T be fair and it does look like it's going into that corner to be fair. The goalkeeper's got a good view of it though. >> Um which is another thing for the goalie. H it does look like it's going in but but it it is quite close to the goalkeeper. So just coming up to Barry now and obviously just that touch >> sort of shifts his body. >> Yeah, you can see him leaning back, can't you? >> Like he's chesting it towards the other corner. >> Like if he was trying to get out the way would have got out the way, but he's not. He's he's moving his body. Um >> it's not a deflection. It's not like caught his hip. It's like he he's made the movement towards the ball to put it to the other corner and it gets to this one. >> Goes past the keeper. It's goal. There you go. One nil. And everyone, first thing I did is I did look straight at the lines when So me and the the fell I was sitting next to, we both stood up and it was like cuz it >> I don't know. It was a weird celebration, wasn't it? Because it was like a bit iffy. And I looked at the linesman and no one really everyone was looking around. No one really knew where to like I don't know give into it. But yeah. No, I looked at the lines when I seen the lines pointed flag down as in like it's a goal. Um, so I had no I had no like once because I thought if this if there's any chance this is offside the line there's no way the line couldn't have seen it. Yeah >> cuz it was the way the way obviously how far the ball had traveled. So I just think >> we need you need something like that in a game like that and then obviously going one but what followed then just really disappointed me. I I just thought we were >> Yeah. >> I thought we were um we were really sloppy. Like that's the best description of it. Like I don't think I switch played amazing. I thought, don't get me wrong, I thought I thought I switch did all right. I thought the way he played, he played like a proper 4-33 and within Shishko playing dropping into like the pocket. Um, >> yeah, >> I thought that he was no one really knew how to who to pick up and I thought that was causing us trouble. But the thing that was causing us the most trouble was we couldn't pass the ball five yards to each other. And it was it was so incredibly frustrating. You're one n up against a newly promoted team. You've got better players and your your you you know your best play your best players Greishes KDH G >> none of them can like none of them can string three passes together to get us up the pitch. and it it just led to a a real frustrating um 25 minutes where you you know they grew in confidence and I think that's the worst thing you can that's the worst thing you can offer an opposition team especially one that >> uh has come up who were a little bit actually are a little bit they were a little bit fearless to be fair no one's like I know they went to United a few weeks ago and they got a bit of a n there but obviously they've done well since going to Palace last week getting the win and I think that's the worst thing we would have done. >> Yeah, it it just it was weird because as you said, we had the Bren John chant and not long after we scored the goal and it was like I think you're right. I think that there was a lot of like nice play being done by Everton and it just sort of went off the cliff right away and it was dead sloppy and you know they just kept making the same mistakes which was even more frustrating. And I thought for the most part the midfield three, you know, in the match preview me and B spoke with them. We were talking about how good we thought the midfield was. But I thought any of them three you could have taken off. I thought they were all really sloppy and you know miles off what they have been usually >> and likewise with the wingers I don't really think they were like too inventive and Jack wasn't really Jack Greish even for the whole game I thought and >> yeah it just it was really frustrating and I thought you know in that first half um it switch did have a few chances too >> and um yeah it it was a bit I don't know just you think a promoter team you know it's the last one before the international break and you know we've done so [snorts] well before >> that you know Everton would have had a bit more about it but >> yeah it just felt really I don't know >> do you think that that fed into like the anxiety around the ground of like which most of it coming to the second half but you think like because it was coming up to that coming up to a break and you so close to having a really good start to the season and hopefully pick you're going to go and get another win think that led to that frustration of like we should be beating these like but no one's got a god-given right to beat anyone I totally understand that. But it's like we should be beating these and >> we're making it so hard on ourselves to to you know to we're given these opportunities and it's just it didn't need to happen and that was the mad thing. >> Yeah. I think we if you combine it as well with like the full week of the Wolves game >> but Wolves it was the exact same situation. It's like it's like the toothless dogs of approaching is that like we keep doing everything like it but that the final bit we can never just get it right >> and I think having the Wolves game in this one back to back where it is too you know as much as as done well it's like two inferior teams where we should sort of be in control on the front foot >> the fact we weren't really in control in either of them and you know we were dead sloppy and whatever it it sort of >> and as I said they grew in confidence and they had a couple of big moments they I think it was well the first one they had was the corner where Pigford has gone he's gone out of his goal and I don't like that when goalie's chased the ball he's gone out for the and he's gone to punch it and it's come led fell straight to there lad who's smashed it back in and to be fair Pford's made a brilliant save and pushed it w another corner but I don't know why Pigford thought he needed to >> we had a defender there who could have dealt with it but he sort of added to the chaos of it um that was the first one and the second one just before Halime is a ball that's come in. Ti's left it thinking it's just going to drift out aimlessly and Maitlin Niles and Brennan Johnson have completely switched off. >> Yeah. >> Leaving Davis who's we've seen him score goals from that angle against Manchester United a couple weeks ago. He's had a good start to the seasoning. He was involved in all three goals last week for Palace. >> Um has drifted into the back post and now he hasn't hit the target. Don't get me, don't get me wrong, he might even if he had, he might not have beat Pigford, but how he drifted in and and managed to get that shot off and he put it wide like even he looked surprised that he was allowed that and that was just that just those giving up chances like that just so uncharacteristic. >> Yeah, I think I think you're right. I think >> it was just sort of the thing of the whole day really. It's just >> just that like sloppiness and just not really looking focused. Yeah, I think it was we've seen it in the early part of the season when Ro was playing there and you could sort of put it down to, you know, not being familiar with position, but I think the fact now that like with with a few more games into the season and mistakes, you can't really just be giving them away because, you know, if it was a better team than like switch, you know, Evan Ced and then whole performance that follows it and yeah, it just it sort of fills the whole day. You know, I'm sure we're going to more with the second half, but it's just that sloppiness that just followed us around. We did have an opportunity ourselves to double the lead. It was a really good ball in by Maitlin now showing um showing his his obviously attacking ability going forward. But to be honest, Barry's on completely on his own in the box. Mile puts it right on his head. >> And when you look at it, like when you look at it from close up, it's you know Barry's in the box, but when they pull the camera back, Barry's got no one around him. And I don't know whether he gets caught in two minds. don't know whether he fully understands where he is, >> but he obviously tries to cut it back. >> Yeah. >> And his positioning doesn't really allow him to cut it back because if he if he cuts it back, it goes exactly where he's where it's where it ends up, which is out. >> I mean, so I don't know whether he could have if he'd stayed still and just gone back across goal. >> But he had so much time. He probably could have even hook it down on his chest maybe. But again, it's another for him. It's another big opportunity. We saw the one um couple of weeks ago that he put over >> um that he that he put the header that he put over against Man was against Manchester United in the first half from a similar position, but he's put it over and you're thinking someone someone with that aerial ability should be doing a little bit better on that. >> Yeah. Yeah. cuz obviously when he signed for Evan that was like one of the big things is that like in the air he's unbelievable and stuff and that's what's frustrating you know talking about him before that like the xG sort of done it. It's like, >> you know, he he'll miss chances like that where he has loads of times, but then he'll get ones like the goal, the first goal he scored where like >> it comes on in off him or, you know, you've seen it like last season was Newcastle he scored falling over and stuff. It's like it's them moments and >> I think you've just right now, you know, you've just got to sort of take it where at least he's getting in the right positions and at least, you know, hopefully, you know, he'll turn that round and he will get a bit more confidence and start converting them. And I think you you see sort of the second goal and how amazing he does for that one >> and you hope that you know these chances where he is getting these eders he'll eventually start finishing like he does with the the second goal. >> But yeah it is frustrating but hopefully just sort of something he grows out of. >> Yeah it's just it's just getting better isn't he's just got to he's just got to get just got to be a little bit better. We got into halftime. There was a bit of bit of a sigh of relief because as I said that Davis effort was just on Halime and you know that was one of them where you know come on what you know the whole crowd is like what are you doing and people are looking around and pointing fingers. >> We got in at time there was a relief that it was that it was that it was 1 nil. We hadn't played particularly well even though we'd had good chance even though even though it was just I just thought the way they played I I like the way they played with like a proper 433 but it felt like every time they needed to defend they got the men back and back but when they attacked they attacked in like almost like that front three as that prong went together and I I did enjoy you know obviously they haven't got the quality but we got in at half time and thinking Right. Get in. Get in there. Make the adjustments. Sort out whatever the issues are. You know, everyone needs to kick up the ass because it's been that kind of hard. Stupid >> stupid passes, things not coming off, >> which it happens. That happens. It's football. So, and and and it does happen of like if it's one or two, it becomes three or four and then five or six. It was one of those halfs. We've come out second half and almost instantly we've allowed in the Cisco more space to run and I think he ends up it they end up in our box and he gets a shot off and I think Pigford's got to make a good save down to his right to keep it one nil and you're just like oh my god what did did did nothing stick nothing that got told at our time stick >> yeah I know in Cisco as well you know he's sort of shown ever before what what he's like capable of and you know me he was the player me and B sort of pinpoint in the preview you you know he's still only 22 which is mental cuz it seems like he's been around for ages but yeah it's just because of how like big sort of Evans team is and whatever with like the center offs and you know how many goals you see like with like deflection and stuff going for everything he was like my main worry that like he would get on the edge of the boxing and you know going off at Tar Bran to whatever and it's just >> there was the the occasion with like Bran giving the ball away and like coming in it's like he was a threat throughout the whole game and you know you combine it with like Fatimu who was on the left who eventually get sent off and stuff like that. >> Them two together it was just it was unnerving and for them to get it right away into the second half I said I thought you know maybe the tempo would go a bit down. It was >> was worrying. >> No it was but we all felt like those worries had had been had subsided when Everton got a corner. Um >> great ball in >> Yeah. from Jbury Hall and Barry just rises and it's an absolutely fantastic header. We'll have a look. We can see the still there. Obviously, everyone's everyone's seen it so many times, but it's a great ball in Barry's just pulled off, got into the space and he's headed it right into the corner. >> See, even if you look in this photo, look how much just spaces between like the keeper. >> Yeah. Like Ben Johnson isn't blocking anything for him to see it right now. >> Well, >> it goes it goes right in. The goalie the goalie couldn't have done anything about that. It's so everyone's everyone's everyone's celebrated. We've had the full celebration and I'm looking at the screen at the goal and at the honest it was like the last literally the last thing they showed on this on on it was Bren Johnson standing in front of the goalkeeper and I was like, "Oh no." >> Yeah. like literally before the referee even made a sign and I was like, "Oh no." >> Yeah. >> And then the referee just went like that and I thought he's going to disallow this and there was I think everyone was a little bit beused why why it would be disallowed. Um but I just thought straight away he's going to disallow this. obviously goes over, he uh looks at it and then the you know the mic comes out and but when you when you look at it when when you when you when you got stills or not this is just common sense isn't it and I think this is the difference between football players football fans people in football and referees is that to a referee I mean don't get me wrong this rule isn't black and white but to a referee And certainly following on from what happened last week at the at the Manchester derby. >> There is no gray area in this >> this week is that he's standing in front of the goalkeeper that they there was I mean they're saying that he touched the goalie but it's more like the goalie touches him >> and because of that the goal should be disallowed where football people look at it and say well remove Bren Johnson from that. >> Yeah. >> And what's the goalkeeper going to do? The goalkeeper is taller than him anyway, so he can see the ball. >> Yeah, >> he can he can see the ball go in. He can't save it. He can't He hasn't been rugby tackled out the way. Hasn't been pushed out the way. >> There's not a chance on earth anyone saves that ball. It's such a good header. >> Yeah. >> And we've been denied a good goal. Uh Barry's been denied a good goal. >> And a game that has been very very nervy up to that point. >> Yeah. is made not only extra nervy but there's a there's a the frustration now has has gone a different way. [clears throat] >> Yeah. I think it so just before that it was like everyone under loads of pressure and then obviously we scored the goal and it felt like it came out of nowhere and that like everything sort of was diffused right away >> you know just because of how good the ed was it just it was it was a nice atmosphere and then I I didn't see it at the time when I was watching it like the keeper being in front of it and the VR course seemed like it came out of nowhere but as you said once it was like sort in front of the keeper you knew that especially like the Man United stuff and all that that you know the keeper I mean the refere you, you know, too scared to make a mistake. So, they were going to disallow it anyway. But >> I think you're right. I think you look at where the ball goes and where the keeper stood and he's like reaches the spot anyway. It's not like he makes a move forward and it's not like Bren Johnson affects the keeper at all. >> No. >> And it just it just seems so backwards and I feel like it's one of them if it is subjective. You look at as you said, if Bren Johnson's not there, how's the the match affecting and it doesn't change anything about what happens to the keeper. And I thought what was most notable was when the the goal initially went to V I was none of their players seemed to like go up to the ref and be like can you check this or whatever or the keeper never said anything about it. So I think that's a huge tell that if the keeper doesn't feel like it was a a file or that he you know he was offside or whatever then then >> I just don't I just don't understand it. And it just seems like every week there's like a new sort of thing where until it's like Man United or someone will really properly be addressed or whatever. No, there's no common sense applied. Like literally no common sense. Like the mad thing is if that goes in on Wednesday, that's a goal. >> There's no V and everybody's happy. And no one I don't think ever comes out afterwards and queries that. >> They look at it from the point of view of >> would the goalkeeper have saved it and he wouldn't have saved it. And I think that's that's the only question you need to ask yourself is would he have saved it? Yeah. >> Um >> and it it was a it was it was poor. It was poor. You said before that we were we were under a little bit of pressure. We we we were we couldn't get ourselves going. Jack Jackish I I was like you've got to take him off because he >> just didn't want to run at all. >> He didn't want to run, did he? Like like I know it wasn't it wasn't a case of like he started the game and and I you know I told me starting 11 and I said start him. But obviously it's all down to fitness isn't it's all down to how fit you are. But he's it's a it's an hour into the game and he's getting to he's he's he's playing left back. I know that's what there was occasions where like we were countering or whatever and it was be like >> he's shouting at Michelenko to make the run while he's like slowly walking back and it was like >> I understand why I don't know it's it's a one the lead and David Moyes might be inclined to keep him on just because doesn't lose the ball keeps the ball up and you know everyone can get up then >> but I felt like at that moment where he's shouting at Michelango of all people to get forward and he's staying back and it's it's like he doesn't want to run at all anymore when you have got you know a tidy George on the bench who similarly can you know cause a bit chaos and you know has got that piece. It just felt I don't know it felt a bit backward >> and the mad thing is he left him on for another 20 minutes. >> Yeah. >> Like I thought as just I know we're going to subs a bit more but all the subs could have been on way earlier. weird that no one was playing particularly well. >> No one was playing well and but he sent out the subs quite early >> because he was obviously frustrated >> and honestly after 50 50 minutes after 55 minutes we should have made >> like at least two subs. I should have brought two wide men on because Brennan Johnson and and um and Greish were not doing enough for me um for one reason or another. And it was it was actually Brennan Johnson who went off first and actually it was probably just after our best bit of play of the second half. It started with Greed. I think he put it into into Jewsby Hall and then Jewsby Hall put a ball across and Bren Johnson slid in there and and and has put it off target and then Penny Johnson straight off and he obviously brought >> really frustrated didn't he? Yeah, he brought Tyler Diblin on at that stage and um I mean before we get on to Tyler Dibbon cuz but three minute literally sorry a minute after Tyler Dibbon comes on they get a player sent off um fat through for what was clearly when you watch it again it's it's a terrible bit of stimulation you know it's an awful dive he does that thing where he tries to he hooks the he hooks the player's leg and then does the the like the the jump. >> Yeah. >> And luckily the I mean you can say what you want with the referee, but at least the referee's caught it. I mean, right in front of him, he hadn't have done something about it. >> Yeah. >> Uh and they've gone down to 10 men. And again, it's that relief. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Of Well, at least if we're not two nil up, at least they're down to 10 men because I honestly did I know this might sound negative, but I >> I just thought these are going to score at some point. and I and and can we react if they do score? Um so that that that was just pure stupidity, wasn't it? From him from him >> felt like the pressure was really mounting up, you know, the stadium was feeling nervous and like >> you know the fact that the goal got disallowed and stuff. It was like people getting on each other's like backs and stuff and I I was thinking the same. I was like I was I was worried that this and I was saying you know swap the wingers and a midfielder at least should be coming off for Hackne or whatever. And then the fat we would to do that I don't know it sort of like burst their bubble a bit and everyone everyone just felt a bit more at ease and then I thought you know having to kick on then you know we would sort of take control of the game and apply a bit more pressure obviously didn't really happen but I think you're right I think it was so silly from Fatu just purely the fact of >> they were they were sort of in control there and the pressure was all on Evan >> we were making like when you know you can look at it both ways there the stats don't necessarily back up that they they were like doing anything impressive or anything like that. But obviously when you're in a stadium >> Yeah. >> And you know there's a general feeling around of anxiety cuz people just want to get the game one. >> We know we're playing poorly. There's some kind games you can't snap out of playing poorly. We know we know we're playing poorly >> and all we want to do is just do the basic things but we couldn't do the basic. That's what I'm saying about like Gish. the manager's looking at and he's going, "Well, every time he gets the ball, he we slow it down and we make something happen." And I get that, but then there's the other side of of like, "Well, if you put George on, George can leg these." >> But I suppose it does come down to that thing of, well, if George is if George isn't fit and he's only got 10 minutes in in him, then you've got to be careful what you do. And the manager didn't look to be too worried about it, which I mean that's just classic David Boys when it comes to making subs. But he brought Tyler Dibblin on and if there was a bright spot again from this game, it was Tyler Dibb and I thought I thought he was so positive from the start. He carried on from where he left off on on Wednesday night and had his best performance in an Everton shirt in the Premier League by far. He was, you know, he was getting on the ball. He was slowing it down. He was speeding it up. His footwork was really, really good. He looked to go one way and go the other. He's so deceiving in the way he plays. He's got that little bit of quickness in him when he needs to, >> you know, at the shot the keeper saved. Um, set up a couple as well. But I think the most important thing was he gets he gets fans excited. fans fans were like we talked about we talked about in Jai and we talked about why people go to football and if you if you're going to be like an average team at least that be an average team with a with a couple of players who get you on the edgy sheet now we know Gish is one of them and we know he's not fit at the moment >> and we know probably George is a different kind of version of that but now with the emergence of Dib I think we're all starting to feel even though it's only small sample size we're all starting feel there's a player there, there's a player who can start games, come off the bench and as long as that lab believes in himself and believe and understands what the manager wants from him, then we've got we've got a real player there. >> Yeah, I think that sort of cameo and I think the the Wolves game as well, he had he had a few moments, but I think the cameo when he came on for me, he was besides maybe at Tarowki, he's probably Evan's best player of the whole game. >> I thought that the few chances he did have, he looked a lot more like clinical. Yeah. Yeah, you going for the shots, beating his man. And it was sort of it was weird towards the end of it because he had beat that the fullback so many times. I was confident that when he get he beat him again and like make a chance for himself and you know he made the keeper have a make a amazing save which I gutted for him that never went in because I think he did deserve a goal. And I think what for me it's it's definitely changed now is that you know me and Baz speaking in the match preview saying you know he hasn't really had the reputation of he can come on and change a game for evidence since he joins us. >> Yeah. >> And when he has came on he's always you know it's things like body language but like how he how he plays the game you know passing and not really like having his head up and not making the runs. But I think this game when he came on, you know, he's shown that, you know, if we are if it is the 70th or 80th minute and you know, you need someone to come on make a few chances or even just take the shots themselves, >> he can be the one to step up to do it now. I think that's so different to what we've been used to with Tyler Dibling and why he probably hasn't had the chances that >> he probably should have >> and so it's only positive for me now that he can and you know David Murray saying stuff like something along smiling talking about him now and stuff like you know he's he's firmly in his mind too. So hopefully this is like the next level now where he can kick on and we can see why we paid that 40 million for him. >> Yeah, absolutely. And his uh stock has gone up so much this week. Um because we have had two home games and people have got to see him in the flesh and I think >> that's what gets Evertonians excited is having a player like that. You know, we we we appreciate working like players, and we know we're not going to be blessed with lots and lots of players who are who are amazing, but you've got that. I mean, look look how much people loved enjoy. Look, you know, people people idolized them, adored them. Kids got his name on the back of the shirt because of those reasons. That's all we want. We just want players. And you know, he got he had three shots and as you mentioned, one the goalie makes a great save. Maybe it's a side net with another one. I I just thought he was so positive, but everything he did led to something. And I think that was the other thing that's really important is like everything he did was and he should have had like he he got dragged down. the lad holder of a shirt and he got dragged down and it's like it should have been a foul to us in a really in a really good area and yet the referee's completely missed it and they've gone up the other end of the pitch and nearly created something from would have been an absolute travesty that um but I did love that positivity and of him doing that and obviously George come on towards the end and uh he give us something a little bit different as well and there's there's so many even even in like a not a great game There's so many there are positives to to call upon. But I I you know I go back to what >> if George is fit I'm disappointed that him and George didn't come on at the same time to have a like to change things up. But but but if he but if he wasn't fit if he was ill because you can never never know how players react. You know when players are injured what they can and can't do. When players are ill it's different. You don't know how how their body is going to react. So if he if he got 10 minutes because he was ill and fair enough I can't you know if that's if that's what it is that's what it is. Um but I think what sometimes you need the momentum changed in a game now obviously if a goal goes in or a player gets sent off. Now of course he comes on when they're down to 10 men but they just brought a couple of like big lads on up front and just start to kick the goalkeeper kicking the ball out of their hands. You won't have seen much of that in your lifetime. That used to just be what everybody did. That was the number one way of scoring goals. But they just started going long. And to be fair, we did we did deal with most of it. They did get a couple of opportunities which we we we dealt with. But they just started going long and it was a different way. But towards the end, >> you didn't wouldn't have realized they had 10 men because again, it's that nervousness of just not getting that second goal. And we did have big chances and it's the and that nervousness comes because you don't score from those big chances. Harrison Armstrong does the big one for me where it's him and Juj running through >> and I don't know if he just like sees his name in like the lights or whatever but JB's just right there. He can just lay it off >> and he takes the shot and it's just it's a poor it's very very poor. >> It's poor isn't it? I mean Harrison again he he was sloppy at times but then again was done really well at times. That's fair enough. He's a young he's a young lad and out of the three midfielders I thought he was probably the best out of the three. I thought Ghana and JB Hall were were quite poor all day, but that is one where you Yeah. If you care bottom corner, then you can go, "Wow, but >> you miss it. >> If you miss it, >> he's right there." >> And we've seen him miss other chances this season. Juby Hall is in a brilliant position. He's, you know, you slip him in and he'll score from there. Even if he's having a bad game or not, I expect Juby Hall to score from there. And you've made it 2-0 and you've completely put them to bed because don't forget, seven minutes go up as well and everyone's like, "Oh, fuck." you know, cuz it is it's that builtup anxiety that you've mentioned numerous times. I appreciate that. >> That builtup anxiet anxiety of [laughter] >> if we win this game three weeks, great position. This is a game we should be winning. >> We haven't played well, but we can walk away and say we've won the game and everyone's happy. And everyone knows that in their head. Everyone knows that. Yeah. And it's just get the game won. Seven minutes. All it takes is a dodgy set piece. Ball flicks off someone's head, ball back, whatever it is, that's all it takes to score a goal. >> But luckily enough, we got through it and the defense, let's be honest, the defense this season, you know, the clean sheets have been brilliant. And in James Takoski, it's he I think he's rated actually the best defender in the entire Premier League at the moment. So, let's just have a look at his numbers. So obviously you got an assist in the game. Nice. >> Fair play. >> 80% >> 88% >> 88%. Sorry to my eyes. >> You want me to read? >> Go on, you read them. >> 88% passing, seven clearances, three header clearances, four interceptions, five recoveries. He won four out of four. So 100% of his grounds, won five out of six of his aerial drills, only losing one. And obviously his heat map's there. So I think um you know a lot of people had to go with him sort of at the start of the season. I think he was a bit iffy you know like the Palace game that like first half an hour you know he's he's a bit sloppy but I think since then in all all of the games really he sort of really built on built on it and >> there's the few things people having a go at. He's definitely >> he does have his moments and I think he had a moment I think he had a moment in this game. Um which yeah I mean Brandweight early on was dodgy on the ball givea and I think there was there was I think there was definitely one and you could even look at taki maybe for I mean don't get me wrong I don't think it was his fault but >> the one where Davis nearly scores should you know should he just deal with it you know but then again it's the trust of your defenders you you expect your defenders to be maring behind you you can't you can't let you've got to have trust in your defenders but this is What this is what we know about him is that he's a him next to Jared are like it's like silk and silk and steel, isn't it? It's like you know what you're getting from Taki and as long as he's fit um and I know people were desperate desperate for Jake. Oh, it's got to be Jake. Taki's finished. But that time will come. >> Yeah. >> Now, will it come quick enough for Jake O'Brien? I don't know. But this Taki gives you this is what he gives you. This is what why you know he's in my start 11 every single week because he is just an absolute solid defender. He's you know people moaned when he when when he was given the captaincy. Of course he was going to give be given the captaincy because he is a he is a leader. He leads by example. Yeah. And you've got to get the most I in my opinion you've got to get the most out of those players while you whilst you can. There'll be a moment where Taki starts dropping. I don't believe that moment is yet. I think it will obviously come, but I don't think that that moment. And I think every week he illustrates because Jake could come in and Jake could have the odd mistake in him. But I think the thing about Tark is is that he's got that experience of how he deals with those mistakes and doesn't let it worry him. And you know, again, yeah, >> he's not someone that is always happy to have the ball at his feet when he's under pressure. And I thought they pressed us really well because I actually thought that was one of the things we were bad at is we couldn't get out of their press. We we we struggled to break down their press. We kept on going into like the corners with the defenders and then not switching the ball. But Tak's had a good season so far. But he has had the odd mistake, but I think he's had a good season so far. Yeah, I think a big part of it as well is the fact that he paired up with Branley. I think, you know, a lot of last season it was Michael Keane and, you know, I think that I don't know they're very similar in like the the ways that they are and like the speed they play at that I don't think it was good for either of them playing with each other. And so now I think that he's got Branweight back who I think they complement each other quite nicely. >> You know, you've seen them sort of step back up again. And um obviously Brantley very different you know bit more with his feet and bit quicker and stuff but Tarowski >> sort of as you said like the steel of the defense and >> yeah I think as much as you know people want Jacob Bryan to come in if Tarowi continues playing like this then Jacob Bryan's not going to get that opportunity just because of how good he's still playing and he's just got to sort of take his moments where he can but these two defenders you know when they're together there's a lot I'm a lot more confident Yeah, just as a whole. >> Yeah. I mean, and with Jordan behind, I mean, Jordan, some of his kicking this season's been absolutely a bit I think he had another one in this game, didn't he? >> Where he's kicking his 32 and there was one in the first half where I think it went he kicked it right down the middle and somehow it did get to Barry, but it was like a bouncing bomb and it's like [snorts] his kicking has been for whatever reason >> his kicking has been poor this season. >> Um, he's been getting like doing that getting dead excited and just swiping at the ball. Yeah. >> Um, and he has to calm down with that. Um, but but listen, we dealt we dealt what they threw. I think he had a a late a late opportunity which we again we dealt with it. Um, it was nervous. It wasn't it wasn't great. But in that back four, what we've found is now that it is a proper back four, you know, I think Nile since he's come in has been really solid. Again, you could look at the moment when Davis scored, should he be more switched onto that, but also going forward, like we were saying before, the cross, which Barry should do better for in the first half. But I think he's made that position his own now. I can't see him not playing right back for the rest of the season cuz we finally got a unit. Michenko on the other side is, you know, solid >> for the most part. And I think he knows he has to be solid now because he knows he knows how we all know how important our back four is to us because we don't score a lot of goals. That's that's the frustration is we should be scoring more goals and we're not. So the defense is going to come under a lot of scrutiny. >> Yeah. I think you look at sort of mate now and the4 million pound or whatever they spend on him like an absolute bargain for like the the the levels of performance he's put in >> and you know both attacking and defensive wise and I think the same with Michelenko. Obviously, he has his criticisms and I think attacking wise, he's probably not as strong, but I think for the most part, he's been one of Everton's probably better players this season. You know, there's been a few games where he's probably man of the match as well for Everton. And I think, >> you know, we know attacking wise, he's going to have his sort of his issues and that, you know, when it comes to crossing or whatever, he's not, but I think >> he's doing everything defensively is sort of right and, you know, he's making the blocks, he's really he's putting the effort and stuff. So as as much as you know people talk about right back and you know the mail ro and stuff Micheleno doesn't have anyone sort of as a backup. So if he doesn't perform there's no one else really unless you're playing like a James G or someone out of position. So I feel like there's a lot of pressure sort of on his back and I think he's taken it well. I think for the most part he's having a good season. >> I think for the yeah I think for the most part he's having he is having a good season but I feel like he's someone who faces >> a lot of criticism. >> Well I think cuz he is and then he wants to take his space. I think you're absolutely right. I think the fact that there's no one to take his position makes almost his position even harder because if he has a bad game, he has to bounce back the following week and have a good game. Yeah. >> And there's no there's no hiding from that. You're playing every single game whereas other some other positions face criticism. And that's where it doesn't make it easier for anyone else. But it it's it keeps your levels up when you've got someone fighting with you for your position. And I think that's why Taki has responded well this season. I think cuz I think he knows he's seen like he's probably heard and seen >> the situation with Jacob O'Brien. He probably understands Jacob Bryan wants to start. He knows Jacob O'Brien's got like got like seven six or seven years on him. So he's got to be at his best and that can only that can only produce that competition is what we were always talking about. It's the same way that you know I think probably Hayden Hackne could have come on this in this game a little bit earlier. Now you've got four four wingers. >> Yeah, >> that might the manager might look at it and go, "Well, actually, now that we've got another winger, that means >> I can use um Johnson more as a >> striker >> striker. That means he doesn't start as many games oddly." But >> um >> it's the same with like when Norard's going to come back like James G. I don't think he had his best game for Everton. I think an old guard when he comes in because it is more of his position. You know, he's going to f give him that competition and then he can either play a bit further forward where he's probably better or he'll level have to level up his game together. >> And I think the next couple of weeks I know we've got play and Jame James Garner has been called up for England, but we've got we've got players there who can go through a little bit of a mini preseason offrey. There's there's apparently there's a friendly arranged um who goes in goal, I don't know. Um but there's call up. Yeah, there's a friend there's there Baz might get a game. Um there's there's Yeah, there's a there's a few weeks to get it sorted and and you know the real even like the real hard work starts then when when the Premier League returns and there's tougher games to face and teams have started to gel and all that kind of thing. So it's been a it's been a fantastic start. I think it really really has and hopefully we get >> Milan roll back from his injury. hopefully no guard is near there or thereabouts by the time by the time we come back as well another three weeks I mean you know that is a that's what this three weeks at least is good for is to >> patch up all anyone who's got an injury and get that squad back and then we've got have we got four games till the next international break >> and then it goes and then obviously we go into that that period where it's going to get very very hectic over over December and January and February so uh where Hopefully we'll be in two cup competitions. Who knows? Um but listen, we won 1 nil. >> Yeah, >> and that's all that matters. We got the win. We're still unbeaten. We're we're joint fifth in the league. Uh it's a really one of our best starts for a while. Obviously, I think like in recent times, Carlo CO year was better, I think, >> but then that was that had it circumstances. So, you can't ask for it. You could have asked for more. We could have beat Spurs last week because they're rubbish. Um but but we've got through it and and yeah, as bad as the game was, it's gone out me mind now. It's >> Yeah, we've drawn a line under it and it was it was three points. So >> there was a lot of games last season, wasn't there, where we play well, but then we'd still lose or draw and you know, we'd sit on the we talk about like have we lost that game or look back and be like that was a real opportunity. At least now even if we're playing badly, we're still getting the three points which is massive. Yeah, we can, you know, on the DVD at the end of the year, we can just skip through this one goals when we get our when when we're, you know, league champions DVD the end of the year. We just skip past this one. >> We just got that was one of those games that won us the league. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? Know what I'm saying? Right. Uh, we are carrying on over on Toffee TV Premiere. 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