Essex Junction City Council - 9/9/2026

All right, I'm going to call the meeting of the Essex Junction City Council to order for whatever night it is, September 9th. Uh, any agenda, additions, or changes? Regina? >> None from me. >> Council. >> No, ma'am. >> Okay, we will move on to be public to be heard. Any public to be heard? If you want to come up to the mic and just tell us your name. >> Yep. >> Um, my name is Gail Bounty. Um, I'm coming to um get some clarification and ask a few questions um regarding a fence that I have put up on my property. Um, I live at one Mansfield Avenue, uh, in Essex Junction and, um, I, [snorts] you know, installed a fence according to the fencing regulations and received a letter [snorts] that, um, implied that there were some other regulations that I didn't follow that weren't in the fencing section. Um, so this has resulted in, you [snorts] know, some loss of $7,000 for my fence if I have to take it down. Um, and I've been you know, trying to work out some things, hoping to be able to move it. I guess there were some other issues with visibility. Um, and I've been to council meeting. I've been talking to um Christopher Ewan and um some comments were brought up and I would like to [snorts] get a few things um just questions regarding the whole situation kind of clarified. Um, one of them is, you know, they suggested that uh landscaping be installed in instead of the fence. Um, and I have a few concerns about that. Um, partly because I have no money for landscaping. Uh, I also do all my own gardening. I am not able to maintain gardens. I'm older now and I'm cutting back my gardening. So, you know, any kind of landscaping would probably require some maintenance. Um but also too um with the visibility concern that um they're saying is regarding my fence if I put landscaping up which I'm told there's no regulations regarding that how high they can be how where you can place them um if it would create the same visibility concern um ultimately if down the road I'm able to do landscaping um would there be ramifications for that if people are complaining that there's still the same visibility issue, you know, is that is that the solution? Um, you know, my my hope was to move the fence a reasonable amount into my property line to take care of that visibility issue. It's because there's like sort of a weird angle to the lot which makes the fence kind of appear like in your view as you look down the street. Um, so you know, I'm I was thinking that there could be some reasonable compromise. I mean, [snorts] you know, with the regulations as they are, in order to have my fence, a privacy fence, which is a six foot high solid fence, I would have to move it 20 feet into my property line. Um, and you know, in order, [cough] you know, in order to do that, I would be cutting off 80 feet by 20 feet of my yard. So, I would lose the ability to have the usage of 80 ft by 20 ft of my sideyard. Um, you know, it would also create a blank space where I would almost probably have to put a fence on the outside of that to keep people out of coming into it. Um, and there was some uh comments made that the fence is a vast expanse and there are some concerns for safety. People feel uncomfortable walking past that large space. And there was another comment about neighborliness. Putting a fence up is like they want the appearance of neighborliness to have yards feel open. I I kind of feel like and I can understand a rationale behind that. Um, but having such a busy expanse of my yard, you know, I'm I'm in a very odd situation being on that corner, incredibly busy. >> I have, you know, my front yard is public. My sideyard is horribly public with all the traffic that goes past it. My backyard is public with a dentist office parking lot. and my sideyard gets traveled through by every child going to ADL as they cut through my yard to go, you know, to school. So, I have all of this visibility and I'm, you know, hoping to have just that one side be private. And I wanted to compromise and move it so that we don't have the visibility concern without devaluing my property by moving it 20 feet into my my yard. Um, so I don't want to interrupt you, Gail, but I'm gonna let um I don't know if you want to speak to this this issue, Regina. Um, but this is really this is an issue at the staff level at this point. Um, so I'll let Regina speak to that. >> Um, [clears throat] yeah. So, um, I don't have the answers to your to your question. Um, Chris Huan is the one who has the answer to your question. He's here, but he's here for another agenda item tonight. the council does not have any role in this in this process. >> Um I believe you have appealed the >> I'm going to appeal. Yes, I have to submit by the 15th. So I'm hoping to get some >> answers there, but I I Okay. >> Yeah, that is the method um to move forward on this. >> No help from council on any path forward, anything suggestions, things they can do. They don't really have any role, okay, over land development code um implementation very clearly within state statute. That that is definitely not their role. It is the development ruby board's role. >> So that's the pathway. >> But appreciate you you coming tonight and and thank you. >> Thank you for listening. Absolutely. >> That doesn't mean there may not be empathy. >> It's just there's boundaries we have to keep. >> That doesn't save my $7,000. >> Thank you. Thank you, Gen. >> That's true. Have a good night. Uh, any other public in the room? Joe, >> hi Joe High Court. Uh, in uh I know we're going to be discussing the stop sign. >> Yep. But in doing so, there's another issue that I just wanted to ask a question about, and that's um we've got a neighbor back there that um their property is is a total eyesore. If any of you have gone to go see where that stop sign is proposed, you can't help but seeing it. It's right on the corner of Clemens Drive and West Street. I've got some pictures of it. Um it's not as if they don't cut the grass every week or every month [clears throat] or every year. Uh there it's a very large yard front and side. It hasn't been touched in I'd say over five years. It's just been let go. And I was just kind of wondering if there's any municipal codes about letting property go like that. So, we just talked about Chris who's online. Um, I think that's where you would want to have that conversation. Um, you can definitely correct me, Regina, if I'm wrong, but um, I would reach out to Chris and >> Yeah, if you want to call or send Chris, you an email in the community development office. They can um, touch base with you on that. >> Community development office. >> Yeah, which is right here. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. And also I did take some pictures um for that proposed stop sign all three ways. >> Okay. >> Do should I share do you is anyone interested in sharing them or just put them >> we get into So we've got the public hearing next. >> Okay. [clears throat] Um, I mean, you can I I think the concern is I don't know how we're going to be able to see those because we can't really we can't really connect your device to our >> I wasn't sure. So, that's why I'm ask >> um >> unless somebody else >> What are they gonna >> Yeah, I mean I don't need to see them, but if is anybody >> I've driven that way a couple of times. >> I think some of the counselors have also gone and like >> Okay. Yeah, I've gone down there a couple of times in the last >> I didn't know if everyone had gotten a chance to go down there and see where this proposed sign is and how close it is to the dead end. >> I mean, I've been I've been down there, but uh you know, but I'd have to take a look at your pictures. Maybe do you have you have them? >> I have them on my phone. It's just that I didn't know, you know, if you wanted them on the screen. I didn't know how to go about that. >> If you take the agenda um one of the extra agenda Oh, you got it. So, at the very top of the right corner, you see an email address adminsjunction.org. or >> Yeah. >> Can you send those photos to that email address? >> Sure. >> Then I can share them with the council from >> and that that gives us time. Like one of the points that Amber was making is that we'll discuss this when we get to that part of the agenda. So if you do that, that'll give us time to get text. >> Wish me luck because I'm not very tech. >> Sorry. >> It's it's just an email. [laughter] >> All right, Marcus. >> Yep. Um thanks. I wanted to just take a second and say thanks to um Regina and Jess because I did send a note um uh asking questions about the uh economic development fund and the u in relation especially because of the fact that it struck me when I was reading the agenda concerning um the 30,000 that we assigned for general fund le earlier this here. Um, but I appreciate the fact that Regina got back to me with uh the reference to the [clears throat] capital improvement tax, which is kind of starting point uh for most residents and thinking about uh what that that economic development tax was about um and how some of these monies got to that fund. Um, in looking at it, what I wanted to just bring up is looking at our capital this capital improvement tax which was approved back in uh 2024. Yeah, 2024. Um, a lot of the reasoning, justification, the usage of that particular fund along with our own lot fund seems like a huge overlap. And I'm just uh if nothing else, I just wanted to point that out because maybe there is a discussion to be had in the future about really defining it with more clarity. Um because I think that with such significant overlap, you can potentially use either fund for capital projects within the community. So that was it. But thanks Regina and Jess for sending me that information. I really do appreciate it. >> Thanks Marcus. All right. Anybody else online? I'm not seeing any hands. So, we will open the public hearing for the proposed amendments to the municipal code. Chapter 8, an ordinance relating to motor vehicle regulations enforcement for Park Street Striping and Pine Court stop sign. So, uh we got Chris here. We also have a memo. Um it's titled 6A in your packet, but um we don't have separate slides for the public hearing. So um we can just talk through that memo. Um and as discussed at the last meeting, this uh ordinance change is largely being done to implement the uh restriping of Park Street for the bike lanes as the council um um voted to do on April 29th, 2026. So there are proposed amendments in chapter 8 um to accomplish three things uh for that. Um it also includes adding a stop sign on Pine Court and West Street. Um so last meeting we had more questions about the intent and purpose of that stop sign. It is not related to the bike lanes on Park Street project. Uh we have just been responsive to an ask an concern about safety without a stop sign there. The engineer, city engineer took a look at that. You've got that whole analysis in your packet. Um and essentially this uh is adding a stop sign much like there are stop signs on the rest of the entryways to West Street all along the way. Um, I am going to leave it at that. Chris, do you want to add anything? >> No, I think you covered it uh pretty well. There there's a there is a diagram. I mean, there's a map uh in the memo. Um, it it shows the location of the proposed stop sign um uh in relation to uh all the the other nearby intersections and the end of the road. So, um take a look at that if you haven't already. Thank you guys. All right, we'll [clears throat] open it up to public comment. Joe, were you able to get those over? >> I hope so. >> Regina is checking. Anybody online with comments? [snorts] See any hands online? >> Did you get them? >> I don't see If I gave you my phone and showed you the pictures, would you be able to do it? >> What are we Can I ask a question? >> Yeah, of course. >> What are they depicting that we wouldn't have seen when we drove by? This is for anyone who hasn't seen where where the proposed stop sign wants to go from all three angles of the tea, westbound, eastbound, and northbound to show that there's no obstructions and that the dead end is right there. Yeah, there are just a handful of houses at that at that end essentially from the left off of Pine Court. There were eight maybe maybe six eight wasn't wasn't he >> I guess I'm way >> I think I think what would have helped also is a map is a map just showing that small neighborhood of Pine Court Cle and and the very end of West Street just to show how very few homes there are past the dead end sign Pine Court's like a giant culde-sac so only half of Pine goes that way, the other half goes to Clones Drive to get out at West Street Extension. So, there's very, very few homes that would even very few vehicles that would even be crossing that tea. [snorts] >> Yeah, I think if you look in Google, you can see >> Yeah, that's what I was kind of put up on the screen. But >> yeah, >> I just want everybody to know that like I know the bottom line for everyone is safety and that's also my bottom line. >> But living there for as long as I have and raising three children that are now, you know, graduated college and gone. If safety and there's been no new buildings back there, if safety was an issue, you definitely would have heard from some of the neighbors like myself and if they, you know, since before now, but there's been no no new development back there. No new buildings. So I I just don't see it. I don't see it. Just to say it only costs $30, you know, what kind of precedent does that send to other people saying, "Oh, $30. We should put ourselves some gear." >> Appreciate that, Joe. >> Thank you. >> Um, all right. Last call. We will we have our discussion co topic is the first topic in the we close the public hearing and then we get to talk about it. So I'm going to just double check that there's nobody else in the public that has any comments before I entertain [clears throat] >> the public hearing. I am not seeing any hands on line. So I will >> make a motion to close the public hearing. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> all right I it is so closed. So we will move on to the discussion of this amendment proposed amendment questions. >> I will say that I did I've driven that a couple of times. It struck me as odd. Uh and I I did send you some pictures is really there isn't a lot of limited sight distance I feel like. Uh, but I'm curious if their request is from a chance encounter of people that come off of Clement Drive and just make the right turn on to West Street without stopping. >> Well, reading the memo, my understanding is that basically, you know, there were >> sight >> distances four different ways and out of those four, >> one is not >> right. Yeah. And that's the Exactly. And if that's the only reason that we're given for adding a stop sign, I I kind of agree that it it may be unnecessary. >> Like having driven it, I struck. >> Yeah. I don't want to make a like I I don't drive, so I certainly don't want to form opinions about traffic. >> I I found it that the site lines at the other end of Pine Court and Clemens Drive were more inhibiting than the sight lines at Pine Court and Western. >> Can I ask a question? >> Yes. Go ahead. This came to us with a from a safety concern from a resident down there. >> That's that's what that's what I was asking. >> Is that >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Chris Chris is here. Sorry. >> So, I I received the uh the uh complaints originally. Um there was a an incident where um uh a driver going uh eastbound on West Street um encountered somebody coming out from Pine Corpse uh that did not stop until they had to sand their brakes. Um and that was actually caught on security camera um footage uh and that person that submitted uh the uh the video. Um it was reviewed by the city engineer. Um and this yeah this was uh the recommendation. Um, I will note West Street, uh, a long time ago, like quite a few years ago, did not have a center line in this part, which, um, psychologically makes it seem like it's kind of equal. Back then, felt like it was more equal weight to Pineport. Um, now West Street has a center line all the way to the end. Um to me psychologically uh driving on on a street like that that that's uh that does feel like it's a the the more major streets and Pine Court is the uh uh the the street that's um that enters it and um feels like has a lower priority but um without uh without a stop sign there like all the other uh intersections with West Streets um that that's not the um regulatory standard. >> All right. So, I guess the engineer says it could use it. We've got one person saying they don't want it. We've got one person saying there's a safety issue. You investigated it, found that it could benefit from a stop sign. All the other intersections that are like it on the strip have a stop sign. The cost isn't prohibitive. I guess I don't see what the harm would be uh to do it. Not only that it's just $30, but it sounds like there's enough reasons to >> Yeah. This isn't the biggest issue we're going to be dealing with ever, but a lot of work's been put into it. Sounds like it can benefit from [laughter] it. [clears throat] Engineer says there's guidance enough for it, but I guess I don't see the issue. >> Yeah, and I was going to say thanks for the clarification because my understanding was it came from a safety concern. Uh and so uh from a driving perspective uh I would love to be able to say hey there is a stop sign and a stop bar there that like I can I can get behind it. I think it just it did strike me as a little bit odd that the the sidelines were referenced in having driven it a few times. Uh just try and understand that uh when you come to the end of Pine Court to turn on to West Street, there are essentially six or eight houses on that dead end piece of it. But having the request come to us, uh I feel like it's it's a pretty easy actionable item. >> I mean, I compare it to my neighborhood with Brooks and Villa, >> right? you know, it's the same basic count for houses. It's the same kind of intersection. There's a little bit of blindness one direction, not a lot. [snorts] Population around it's pretty similar. And there's a stop sign. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's kind of like um >> Brian, any questions? >> Yeah. I [clears throat] just want to what's persuasive for me here was the uh the the the engineers uh note that uh the I'm trying to get the terms right. So Chris, please correct me. The um the the uniform traffic devices standard says that there should be one at all of these intersections and that this one doesn't have one because of oversight or history um is um yeah, it was persuasive for me. >> No, that is just a slight um uh correction to that. The MDTCD um does does not say uh every intersection there has to have one. Um and we we haven't you know reanalyze the ones that exist uh but the MUTDC does talk about site distances and this one is you know marginal um what I do list is um uh my the the planning r for it outside of uh what's the mut calls for um it's just from a perspective of uh kind of standardization and predictability >> yeah I wasn't aware that there was a safety concern. If there to me even one safety complaint enough reason to stop something. >> Uh no, we're not we don't have any public comment right now, but thanks for asking, Joe. >> Okay. >> Um we had the public comment in the in the other section. >> Got some more information. >> Yep. Um, my I guess my thought is that I generally don't [snorts] have a reason to disagree with an engineer who's got an engineering background and says the stop sign goes there. While I hear I hear the the comments and stuff, I I do think um it makes sense in this case to follow what the engineer suggestion is and put the stop sign in. So, any other comments from council? I I will allow your your comment. >> I I was wondering why the the person who initially asked for the stop sign, you know, didn't show up or isn't calling in. But now after hearing what had happened, uh there was a motorist on West Street traveling east and the person on Pine Court didn't stop. Well, they obviously broke the law because anyone traveling straight has a rightway and anyone turning has to yield to anyone traveling straight. It's common anyways. So, it just seemed like after this one instance happened, boom, here comes a stop sign. But I'm not, you know, if if it's your decision to put it there, uh I think it might cause problems, but you know, >> appreciate that. >> Yeah, at least I know now why it why it happened. But some somebody did yield the rightway. That's that's where the complaints. >> Thanks. Uh is there any other public comment before I entertain the motion? Not seeing any. So >> I move that the city council adopt the amendments to chapter 8 of the municipal code as presented. [clears throat] >> No Raj can have it. >> A [snorts] okay. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. That passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you, Joe. >> Thank you. >> All right. Discussion and consideration of rebranding update of new city signs. questions. >> Got [snorts] Ashley here. >> Hey, Ashley. >> Good evening, everyone. Um, all right. So, uh, I have a memo in your packet that basically, um, discusses this ask. Uh, we originally, um, went out for a small estimate to just to see what even the signs could possibly cost when we decided to start looking at our rebranding project and what signs and banners would cost. And so that was back in 2022 whenever we um got that estimate. And based off of that, we budgeted for 14,375. Obviously, as we all know, things have increased um over these past four years. Um and so uh that when we got our quotes back, those signs and banners have increased in cost as well. Um in the packet, I did include that we have not um completely used all the money that we set aside for rebranding project. Um, we have about $2,350 remaining. Um, I was I had budgeted that to do some uh professional imagery of the city, some photography uh for um promotional material, but um knowing that that uh is there that we could also use with this sign, I wanted to include that in this memo. We did have two sign companies um in Willist, both of them that quote gave us quotes. Uh those quotes are included in here. I did make a note um in here that I did think the banner cost for one of them was wrong um because it was a wrong size than what we have for banners. He had quoted me a uh five foot banner um when we only need a three-ft tall banner. Um, so I did go back to him and asked if he could revise that quote, and he did, uh, which did bring the cost down, uh, to $2,900, which is very comparable to the other quoted uh, amount. So we would be looking at um the need between the two quotes of either the uh original 6,805 for the first one or the second one would be 7,400 um would be the new number on that with that updated quote. Um so in this I'm asking for an additional $10,000 uh from the economic development fund which we do have the funds for to cover that. Um, anything else? I think that is it. Um, I'd be happy to answer any questions that you guys have. >> Any questions? >> I have, uh, just a couple. Is this specificity to the number of banners that are included with the quote? Uh and then when we started rebranding, uh the dollar figures included the original a replacement of the original five entry signs into the city. Uh I'm wondering if this is still just for those five or if we've given any thought to changing the municipal complex sign out front as well while we're at it. >> [snorts] >> So this is for 50 uh banners which was what we originally quoted or we originally budgeted for at the very beginning. So this quote again is for 50 banners. >> Okay. So that number >> um and um this just includes the five entrance signs. Um it does not include the municipality signage. Um that was something that was not originally included in this amount. And so if that's something that you guys would like to look at, that would be an additional cost. Go ahead. >> As a photographer in the group, not that I was going to take pictures, um, it sure would be nice to have some fresh content for the price. Um, I think we've demonstrated a need for that. Um, things are changing pretty quickly. We're going to have new look, new banners, new new things. I think it'd be nice to So, my understanding that that's been taken out and used that money is being used to help offset the overage. >> That is correct. Yes, that would be that 2350 would be added into that amount which brought us up to that 16725. Um if we you know obviously we're looking now at a $6 to $7,000 um ask for what what is being quoted right now. um the $10,000 um extra would cover those amounts um and we could look at possibly doing the professional imagery um if that's something that we wanted to if we wanted to do the full 10,000 like I when I got the amounts back which was today um I was like well we really could just do 8,000 instead of 10,000 so there is a little wiggle room I feel like now more in this budget than what I was seeing prior to that even with me asking for the 10,000 depending on which way we went with the signs. And really the signs are very comparable. It's just there's different looks. Um how the materials are very similar but one's made um a certain way and another one's made another way. Um so it's really just the look that we like the best. Um the signs are very close in cost. Um and now the banners are very close in cost too. So either one of these um sign companies I think are good quotes. We just need to decide which style that we like the best. >> I guess I'd say that three was probably a little low for the photography anyway. So if we did if you had extra, you could start it this fiscal year. Maybe we can put something in for the 28 budget out of the admin budget. Just add a hair. Um, but I think having some multi-season um, it's a small investment, but I think it'll go a long way. That kind of effort usually lasts three or four years publications. >> Anyway, >> yeah. No, I think it's also a great idea. That's why I originally put it in with that rebranding budget um, as something because I wanted to have that um, opportunity to put that in marketing and on our Facebook pages and on our website. Um, and so yes, I still feel like it's a need, but I am also trying to be fiscally responsible. >> Respect that. Thank you. >> Um, speaking of I I'm wondering if there's a reason we were so off in our budget for the signs. I see that's that seems to be mainly where the shortfall was [snorts] that we budgeted about just under 9,000 and work quoted 21,000. So I'm I'm wondering if there's a particular reason we were just [snorts] we were off on that um estimation. >> I you know at the time it was just trying to get a quote for what it could be. um the signs, we really didn't have any look or feel of what that sign would look like. Um and so they were very quoting us, you know, some some options and so we had a big range and so I picked in the middle to try to get that range. Um it wasn't something that we they could look at it and be like this is what this sign is going to cost at this point in time. They had given me quite a big range from anywhere from I think it was a$1,500 to I think $7,000. And so I kind of tried to pick a middle range in that when we were just trying to get estimates. Um we didn't have something where we had we were going towards them and saying this is exactly what we wanted. Um and then I what was not really big factored in here is labor. Um and so we didn't really know if we were going to be having to replace all the signs. We do know that we have to replace all the signs because they're deteriorating. They're made out of wood. Um and so they are deteriorating. at the time we did not know that they were totally deteriorating. Um, so there is quite a bit of labor that we didn't include in that original estimate as well. Um, and so that is a factor in this. I will say that I have not talked to Ricky to see what labor um, that they would be willing to do. Um, that was not a discussion that I was able to have with him. Um, so when I got quotes, it was for full labor. So them taking down the signs and putting up the signs. >> Okay. But you're saying there if I if we have a conversation with Ricky, there is a possibility that that number will go down a little bit more. >> Yeah, I wouldn't say that it would go down a whole lot. Um, but there is some wiggle room in there in the Ricky and them took down the signs for us. Then that means that whatever sign company we have, they're not having to take down the signs and dispose of them. Obviously, we're going to want the sign companies to put those signs in place um just because it's part of their work. Um, but I do say there could be some wiggle room in there for labor um, in the event that Ricky and them did some work. But again, I don't want to promise Ricky's going to do work or that they have time for it. >> Yeah, absolutely. I realize you're not volunteering him. [laughter] >> He's not here. He can. >> Yeah. And to be clear, I'm not. [laughter] >> I would keep the money in the budget. Yeah. >> Brian, any comments? Hey. Uh, I will open it up to public comments. [snorts] Any online? I'm not seeing any. Somebody want to >> Sure. Move the city council authorize the use of economic development fund in an amount not to exceed $10,000 for the rebranding sign project. >> Second. >> Okay. all. >> All right. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. That is unanimous. >> Thanks, Ashley. >> Thank you, Ashley. >> Thank you, guys. >> All right. So, our next three topics are in executive session. So, I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. >> So, [laughter] second, >> we should plan these things better. >> That's okay. >> All right. All in favor? >> I I >> All right. Council member comments and city manager report. Regina, >> um, uh, taxes are due on Tuesday the 15th, first installment of taxes. So, um, appreciate folks, uh, paying for that. Um, and, uh, we have changed all fees to the city due at 4:30 p.m. on the day that they are due. So, um, need to be in the office even if you pay with your credit card online by 4:30 on Tuesday the 15th. That's [snorts] it. All right. I will follow up and say as a friendly reminder, we are also doing a snack and school supply drive here at Tulanken on tax day as well. So, that will be 8 to 4:30, I think, is what I said. Um, so >> yes, >> that sounds right. No, Bessie was raising her hand. >> I have a comment. >> Okay. >> Um before I think before we meet next, the first Meet Me on Maine will take place on se on September >> Saturday, September 19th. >> Y >> um that's going to be one that I unfortunately have to miss, but um it's going to be a great time. So residents should stop by and check it out. >> Excellent. [clears throat] And if they miss that one, there'll be one on the 26th and on the 3rd >> and the and the Saturday thereafter. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Three Saturdays in a row. This is where you want to be, >> Brian. >> Yeah. Hey, I just want to give a shout out to to um to public works. My uh we had a plumber come over today um because there was a pipe that was leaking. The plumber determined it was on the city side. So, and public works came out um you know with within the hour to shut off my water. The plumbing was uh the plumber was saying that if it if it leaked if that pipe burst, there would be 15 feet of water in my basement. So, I'm pretty pleased and grateful. So, and a fine service for 25 bucks. >> Thanks. [laughter] >> Anybody else? >> I'll I'll just make note that the fire department has yet again had a major fire in the city uh this afternoon. So, tip a cap to them uh to minimize the damage that could have occurred and that did occur. Uh so thankful for those folks. >> All right, who wants to start with the first motion? >> It's page 23 in the packet. >> Page 23. >> Yeah, >> I can do that one if I want. >> I think I have it. >> Okay. Um, I move that the city council enter into executive session to discuss appointment of public officials pursuant to one VSA 313A3 to include the city manager and KBY Lamar Lamar. >> I get a second. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I >> second one is page 28. >> Oops. [snorts] I move that the city council enter to executive session to discuss a personnel evaluation pursuant to one VSSA 313A3 to include the city council and city manager. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I I third one and before we do the third one >> sorry Bethany just to double check on page 29. Did you read both motions? I I read the one on page 28 >> and then there's another one on page 29. >> Hold on. Sorry. >> I haven't read the ones on 29 yet. >> We haven't done the third. >> Yeah, >> there was only one motion for the uh personnel. >> Okay, gotcha. Sorry. >> We're on three now. >> But I am ready to do the the the last two. >> Before you do that, can I get recusals? >> 20. >> Yes. Yeah, I will be recusing myself from the uh the Yeah, >> this one. The third set. >> Okay, now >> third set. >> Now you can do it. >> Right. I move that the city council make the specific finding that premature disclosure of the contractual matters would place the city as at a substantial disadvantage. I move that the city council enter into executive session to discuss a contract pursuant to 1 VSA 313A1A to include the city council with the exception of Tim Miller due to a conflict of interest and the city manager. >> Need a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. I knew you were going to stay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That was quiet. >> That's okay. All right. Uh we may be back with action items. Um either way we have to come back to come out of exact to come >> kick the meeting close the meeting. So we will be back. I don't know when. Hopefully shortly. We are back in session. >> All right. Thank you. >> I make a motion to appoint Colby Lam Marsh to the police advisory police community advisory board for a three-year term ending on June 30th, 2029. >> I'll second it. >> All right. All in favor? >> I >> All right, that's unanimous. Thanks, Colby. >> It's unanimous. Tim applying as well. >> Uh, what >> I was wondering if we wanted to mention the fact that Tim Wilson wasn't in the meeting. >> Yeah, I just said I just said it was a unanimous list. Tim Miller >> for notes purposes. >> All right. And I will entertain a motion to adjourn. >> So moved. Second. >> All in favor? I I >> Thank you everyone. Have a good night. Early one.