Ep152 | "The Big Gamble" | Dragnet | LIVE

Hello and welcome to Dragonet Live from otrold.com. I'm your host Austin VOC. Thank you for being here. Happy Monday. Uh hope everyone had a great weekend and the mothers in the chat had a great Mother's Day and everyone else enjoyed uh some downtime and some good weather hopefully. Sorry I'm a little late. Uh quick shout out to Life with Rosco, Alfredo, Mary, Sam, Film, Lamarbuff, Paul. I think I got everyone currently in chat. Um, if [clears throat] you've not jumped into chat, today is a great day to do so. It's a fun group of people. Um, and tell us where you're tuning in from if if you're new here. Today's episode is episode 152. The title is The Big Gamble. It originally aired May 8th, 1952. It's about a professional gam gambling ring that set up operations in Los Angeles, um, a couple days after today's episode aired. Um the tragedy of Oll directed by Orson Wells um was awarded the Grand Prix from the festival international do film du film do film I don't know it's from the can film festival I think it's can you don't say the s part but correct me I'm sure I'll be corrected in chat which is good though helps keep me straight Um, also something interesting that happened this month, this a couple days after or 10 days after today's episode aired, Professor Willard Libby said England's prehistoric monument of Stonehenge dates back to 1848 BC. So that's the first time someone had attempted to or someone had dated Stonehenge. Sweet. All right, so with that, I will share my screen and we'll get today's show started. Enjoy the show. >> The story you're about to hear is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. >> Fatima cigarettes. Best of all, Kingsize Cigarettes brings you drag net on both radio and television. [music] You're a detective [music] sergeant. You're assigned a vice detail. 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[music] For the next 30 minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from [music] official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet [music] is the story of your police force in action. >> It was Monday, February 9th. It was foggy in Los Angeles. We're working the day watch out of Vice Detail. My partner's Bill Lockwood. The boss is Lieutenant Bingham. My name's Friday. It was 4:20 p.m. when I got to the second floor of the old central jail building. Vice detail. >> Hi, Joe. >> Hi, Bill. You show up yet? >> Yeah, waiting in the next room. >> Oh, fine. Did you talk to him yet? >> No, I just came in a couple of minutes ago. Figured I'd wait for you. >> Well, does he see him sober? Look like he's off the ledge. >> Yeah, he looks pretty good. Shaved, cleaned up a little. >> Dave, how are you? >> Oh, hi, Freddy. Thought I'd drop by and see you. Remember you were talking to me last week about that thing. >> You hear anything, Dave? >> Yeah, I think I might have something for you. I think it's what you're looking for. Tried to get you on the phone last night. You weren't in. >> Well, you should have left a message. >> Well, I didn't want to do that. You know how it is. Guess I shouldn't even be coming up here like this. >> You got some kind of a permanent address, Dave. Phone number someplace we can contact you. >> No, I'm still floating around a little. >> Mhm. Now, about this thing we were talking about. What'd you hear? >> I picked up a little chatter. I think it's what you want. So, you fell your coffee? I haven't had mine. What do you say? >> Okay. How about the place down at the corner? >> Fine with me. >> All right. You want to check us out, Bill? Tell them we'll be back in about 10 minutes. >> Yeah, fine. >> Thank you. >> All right, Dave. We walk this way. >> Okay. You're looking pretty good, Freddy. world treating you okay? >> Well, I can't complain, I guess. Go ahead. >> Thank you. >> Guess we better wait for your partner, huh? What's his name? >> Lockwood. >> Oh, yeah, sure. >> Skipper's got something for us when we get back, Joe. >> All right. >> You're looking pretty good yourself, Lockwood. Yeah, real good. >> You seem to be in pretty fair shape. That pocket full of chain sounds healthy. >> That's not too good. Still got a few dimes to rattle. Hasn't been coming too fast lately, though. >> You still setting pins down there at that bowling alley? >> Yeah. Uh-huh. A lot of help hanging around though. They really got a hustle for it. >> That's so. >> Oh, yeah. A lot of the alley's changing over to those automatic machines, you know. >> Mhm. >> Quite a few guys out. Lousy machines can set pins better than a man can. >> Hi, Matthews. How are you? >> Hi, Joe. Hi, Bill. What do you say, Jack? Not too much. >> Hey, who's that guy? >> He works out of the office. Why? >> Nothing. I thought I'd seen him around. Yeah. >> No, down this way, Dave. Just a couple of doors. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. >> By the way, did you hear anything about Tony? You know, if he's in town? >> No. I've been working on it. Dirty Tony. He's not going to show. >> Go ahead, Dave. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Now, why don't you two grab the back table? I'll order up. >> All right. Fine. >> Black with sugar, huh? >> All right. Cream and sugar for you, Joe. >> All right. Fine. Bring a couple of those jelly donuts, could you? >> Okay. >> All right. What's the story, Dave? What are you here? >> I heard about it last night right after I left the alley. You told me to keep my ears open, you know. >> Yeah. >> Said you figured there might be something on that new bunch hanging around a bar down from the alleys. You figure they might tie in with a new bunch of high rollers in town. >> Yeah. What'd you pick up? >> I think you figured right from what I heard anyway. >> Mhm. >> Here you go. Have a donut, Dave? >> Oh, yeah. Thanks. You make a fine waiter, Lockwood. >> Thanks. We don't get a lead pretty soon. I may have to take it up. >> Dave was just telling me that he figures he might have something for us. He picked it up at the spot down from the alleys last night. >> Well, like I say, after I was through at the alleys, I stopped by the place and had a couple of beers. Can't afford anything else. A few nickels they pay me. Lucky to get enough to eat the way things are going. >> Yeah, it's pretty rough. I know. Well, what's the pitch you got, Dave? >> Well, I was sitting there having a beer and a couple of those new faces were sitting next to me. So, I put my ear out and tried to pick up some of the talk. >> Yeah, >> I couldn't get all of it, but I did get enough to make out there's going to be a big game tonight. From what I could get, there's going to be a lot of scratch floating around. >> You hear what it's going to be, Dave? >> I had to play it carefully. You know, could be too nosy. >> Yeah, sure. >> I uh sat and had another beer, and one of these new monks heard the other guy call him Mike. I think he asked the bartender for change to make a phone call. He got the change, went over the wall phone. I got up and drifted over that way and made out like I was watching the shuffle board. I caught some of the talk. >> Now, what was that? >> Well, he was talking about some big game tonight. I heard him say to the guy on the other end not to show up before 11:30 >> to get an address. >> Yeah. Mhm. He said he'd be back of an empty store building down on Gibbons Avenue. >> You get the number? >> Mhm. 9122. >> What was that again? 9122. Is that right? Yeah. >> Gibbons, huh? Yeah. >> I'm pretty sure as soon as I got out of the place, I wrote it down. Wait a minute. I got Let's see. Yeah. 9122 Gibbons. Yeah, that's it. >> Now, this fell that made the phone call, did you say his name was Mike? Is that right? >> Yeah, that's what I heard his partner call him. He's kind of a a short guy, like 35, 36, on the fat side, black hair. >> Mhm. Mike Filmer. >> You know him? >> Yeah, we've had an eye on him. Thought he might figure in. >> Not about the size of a Dave. That all you heard? >> Yeah, that's about it, Freddy. Soon as he finished the phone call, him and his partner left. I finished my beer and left, too. I had to. Couldn't afford another one. Real tough these days. >> Yeah. Oh, thanks a lot, Dave. Really appreciate it. >> Well, don't mention it. You've always done all right by me. Donut sure tasted great. Still hungry. Way I feel I could take on a 3-in steak. >> I'm sorry things aren't better for you, Dave. How about a tent spot? Will that help you in? >> Yeah, it sure will, Freddy. Thanks a lot, huh? Really can use it. >> Well, glad to help you. You're always helping out. >> You sure make it nice. I mean, you make it nice and easy on a guy. >> What do you mean? >> Well, it's always there first. I never have to come right out and ask. >> What's that? Good though. You always get the pitch, don't you? >> Almost a month before, we had begun receiving [music] complaints about a newly established gambling ring, which had set up operations in the city. After the first few complaints, we succeeded in identifying some of the men involved in the ring [music] and also some of the places they frequented. The nature of most of the complaints against them was such [music] that we knew we were dealing with a wellorganized criminal element. Even if a player happened to win at one of the games, after he left the location, he was beaten and robbed. Despite the fact that we had some of [music] the suspects identified, we still lacked sufficient evidence to prosecute them successfully. The various victims either [music] would not or could not identify the suspects. We knew the gang was running three or four games a week, each one of them at a different [music] location, each one of them at a different time. In the trade, that's known as a floating game. After we left our informant Dave Carter, we headed back to the office and briefed Lieutenant Bingham. That afternoon, we checked the address on Gibbons Avenue and found it to be a vacant store building with a florent sign in [music] the window. There was an entrance in front and one in the rear, windows along both sides of the building and a plasterboard partition dividing the inside of the store [music] into two parts. The place was deserted. At 10:00 that night, Bill Lockwood and I staked out in our car down the street from the store. Sergeant Fred Taylor and Jack Matthews were staked out in their car from another point [music] of observation. We were in constant touch with each other by 3-way radio. 10:30 11:00 p.m. 11:30 >> 1K 87 to 1K. Come in. >> 1K80 to 1K7. Go ahead. >> Joe, did you notice the lights come on in the back of the store a minute ago? >> Yeah. Two men, they went in the back way, parked their car just down the street from us here. Did you see anything else? Car just pulled up down the street from us. Two men getting out heading for the store. Joe, just a minute. >> Yeah, they're going that way. >> Yeah, I see. >> They're going around the back, Joe. Uh-huh. Looks like it's going to pay off. Let's sit on it a while. KMA367. We waited. 11:45. A blue pickup truck pulled up and stopped a short way from the front entrance to the store. We saw two men get out and go around to the back of the truck and unload half a dozen large boxes which they carried around to the rear entrance of the place. One of the men came back, got in the cab of the truck and sat there. Midnight 12:15 a.m. Over a period of half an hour, we watched 18 persons arrive from different directions and enter the store from the rear. 12:30 1:00 a.m. There were no new arrivals. We waited. >> 1K87 to 1K, come in. >> 1K80 to 1K7. Go ahead. Not much activity down here, Joe. Looks like it pretty well set. What do you think? >> Yeah, I think we might as well hit it. Same way we laid it out, huh, Fred? We'll wait until Matthews picks up the lookout. The man sitting in the truck, >> right, Joe? Jack, you want to go ahead and drive and go wait? >> He's on his way, Joe. >> Okay. As soon as he picks him up, we meet in front of the place. Bill and I will take the front. You cover the back. You got that? >> Okay, Joe. Oh, hold on a minute, will you? >> Yeah, Jack got him. Bringing him back to the car. >> Okay, let's go. KMA367. You got the car, Kings, Bill? >> Yeah, let's go. >> All right. >> You figure that's the best way Joe 2 is going in the front. >> Well, it's probably where the rush is going to be. When Fred goes through the back, they're sure to start for the front. >> Okay, Joe. >> Yeah. And Jack's got the lookard in our car. He'll wait for us. >> All right. Now, what do you think about this, Fred? You go around and hit the back door. Soon as they hear you inside, they'll probably start for the front. We'll take care of them there. >> That's a good idea. Give me a half a minute to get back there. All right. Watch yourself. >> All right, Jim. Let's go. >> They're still going. No worries to us. Yeah, let's hold it right here. >> Please offic right there. >> Come on, Bill. Let's hit it. >> Yeah. COME ON. BACK THERE. GET BACK. Police officers. Come on. Back against the wall. GO OUT THE WINDOW. BRETT. BRAD. I said get back against the wall. Ellie. All right. I'll cover him. You get back. See what happened to Brett. Right. >> All right, mister. With the rest of them there. Back against the wall. >> All right. I'm going. What's the beef about anyway? Just >> turn around. Face the wall. Put your hands against the wall. >> What's the pitch anyway? Treating us like a bunch of thieves. You're just having a little fun. No harm done. >> Joe. Yeah. Did you find Fred? What happened? >> He's been shot. Hurt bad. Matthews is in with him now. I'll call the ambulance. Get some help. >> All right. >> All right. You two in with the others. Back against the wall. >> What's your beef? Sure. Big noise about nothing. We're here to play a little cards. Friendly game. Just a dollar limit. Nobody ever gets hurt. We're all friends. >> Is that why you carry guns? [music] >> 1:20 a.m. The ambulance arrived and Sergeant [music] Fred Taylor was taken immediately to Georgia Street Receiving Hospital in a critical condition. He'd been shot twice through the upper portion of the chest. He'd been unconscious from the time of the shooting. Who the asalent was, we had no idea. The crime lab arrived at the scene and began their preliminary investigation. Meantime, homicide officers had arrived and all units in the area were assisting in the investigation, [music] making a house-to-house canvas and checking all backyards, alleys, and unoccupied buildings for possible suspects in hiding. Out of the total number of men present in the store at the time of the shooting, Bill and I had been able to detain nine of them. The remainder had either scrambled outside windows or the rear door and then apparently made their way over back fences. The nine we did get were taken downtown for interrogation. All of them had been searched, but no weapons had been found. [music] Bill Lockwood and I remained at the scene assisting the homicide officers. 2:05 a.m. An additional four men who had been present at the gambling game that night were picked up in the area, transported downtown, and held along with the other nine at homicide detail. 2:20 a.m. Bill and I were called downtown to assist in [music] the questioning. We got nowhere with the first three suspects. Was the same with the fourth. You expect us to believe that, Mike? Well, it's the truth. I don't know anything about it. >> Now, look, Mike, let's put it on the table. Huh? We listen to your line of chatter down at the store when we made the pinch. We heard it all. Now, let's get out of fact. >> I told you everything I know. No different than the other guys you picked up. I heard there was going to be a game tonight, so I came down. >> Who'd you come down with? How'd you get there? >> I drove. Came by myself. >> Where'd you park your car? >> About two blocks away. Little alley there by a gas station. >> You're a liar, Mr. And you know it. >> Well, it's a truth, so help me. If I knew there was going to be trouble, I wouldn't even have showed up. I play a few cards. Sure. I don't go in for heavy stuff, though. I haven't got anything to do with a game. >> You're a liar. >> You can't say that. Now you show me where I've lied. You tell me. >> We were staked out in that place tonight, Mike. It was a little past 11:45. You drove up in a blue pickup truck. Another man was with you. You were driving. >> Oh, no. You got it wrong. >> No, we haven't got it wrong. You parked that truck about 10 yards down the street from the front of the store. You got out first. The other man followed you. You unloaded six large cartons from the truck. Some of the equipment we found in the store. You took it around back and in through the rear door, didn't you? >> You got it wrong. It wasn't me. It couldn't have been me. >> Come off it, Mike. The man you were with, we've got him down the hall. The other officers have talked to him. He gave him the straight story. >> I didn't come with any other guy. Now, will you listen to me? I knew some of them there. I'll admit that. I came by myself. >> You listen to me, mister. You get this through your head. Get it once and for all. This isn't a gambling beef anymore. Somebody's been shot. He's been hurt bad. >> Well, that's not my fault. I didn't shoot him. I don't know anything about it. >> You know more than you're telling. You lied about coming there in that truck we saw you. Something else. The truck's been checked out. It's registered in your name. Now, you come up with an answer for that one fast. >> Well, I don't get it. Maybe my truck is down there. If it is, I don't know how it got there. >> You're in a jam, Mike. This isn't any misdemeanor rap. I think the sooner you realize that, the better it's going to be for you. >> You don't have to tell me it's serious. I know that. Now, what do you want from me? >> You know what we want. You know the answers, and we want them. You're part of that gambling setup. We know that. We know who was there tonight. Everybody. We want the names of every one of them. Now, either you got the answer to that shooting or somebody in that crowd has. We're going to get the answer. Mike, don't make any mistake about it. We're going to get it. >> Now, what do I have to say to convince you? You're talking to the wrong guy. >> Not according to the man they got down the hall. The one in the pickup truck with you. He gave us the whole story. You hired him to help you tonight. You were going to pay him 20 bucks. He helped you haul the equipment to the store and he was supposed to be the lookout at the front door. It ties in all the way. How about it? >> All right. Now, you've been calling people liars, huh? Well, he's the liar. The whole lousy story is nothing but a lie. >> All right. Keep quiet. Friday talking. Oh, yes. You're all right. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Now, you listen, Mike. Here's a piece of advice. You make up your mind. >> How do you mean make up my mind? I'm trying to cooperate. You don't believe me. I'm trying to help you out every way I can. I'm only too glad to give you a hand. I know you got a tough job. He got my >> Don't you worry about us, mister. From here in, start worrying about yourself. You're going to do a lot of it. >> I don't know what you're talking about. >> That policeman, he just died. >> [music] >> You are listening to Dragnet. Authentic stories of your police force in action. >> To show our confidence in Fatima, we make this money back guarantee. Buy a pack of Fatimas. Enjoy Fatima quality, extra mildness, and superbly blended tobacos. If you're not convinced Fatima is better than the king-size cigarette you're now smoking, just return the pack and the unsmoked Fatimas by August 1st, 1952 for your money back, plus postage. Fatima, box 37, New York 1. 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Unfortunately, he [music] never regained consciousness. 5:45 a.m. While the investigation went on at the scene of the murder, Bill Lockwood and I continued our interrogation of the suspect, Mike [music] Filmer. Another hour of questioning, and he still refused to tell us anything. We finally confronted him with the man we'd seen him arrive with at the location of the gambling game earlier that morning. Another 10 minutes of questioning, and he finally broke down. >> Why didn't you tell us that to begin with? >> Believe me, I wanted to. I was scared. I was scared to death. I never had anything like this happen to me before. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to say. >> All right. This is a complete list of everybody you saw there last night. Everybody was in that game. >> Well, yeah, I think it covers it. Let me see it. >> All right, here you are. >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, just about everybody. These are the only addresses you got. Just these three here. Yeah, that's it. Now, I'm not lying. Now, believe me, those are the only ones I know of. >> All right. So, you had a hand in the game. You brought in the equipment. You were working for the house. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Then who's the boss, Mike? Who's running the game? >> What about it? Who's running it? Look, I I've told you everybody that was there. Everybody. He wasn't there that night. He couldn't have had anything to do with it. >> Mike, we didn't ask you that. We asked you who the boss is. What's his name? >> Now, how about if we want his name? >> But I told you he wasn't there last night. If he wasn't there, he couldn't have had anything to do with it. Look, he's a nice guy. He doesn't want trouble any more than I do. He couldn't tell you. >> Let us figure that out, will you? Now, who's the boss, Mike? >> Does it have to be? Is that important? >> We wouldn't be asking you. Who is he? >> George Deleno. Now, that's all I know about him. His name. How does he spell his last name? What's he look like? Well, I guess it's D E L A N O. I never saw him. Write it down, though. I've only known him about a month, maybe 5 weeks. What's his description? Well, he's taller than I am. About 5' 10, 11, maybe. Dark hair, a little bit on the heavy side. Like me, I guess. Man about 4550. >> Where does he live? Where do we find him? >> I don't know where he lives. Some hotel downtown. I think the only times I ever met him was at a bar. >> Which bar? Where about? >> South end of town. Down in Vermont. I don't know the address, but I can point it out to you. It's a couple doors down from a big bowling alley. Right across from a theater, woman's dress shop next door. Yeah, that's right. That's a place. The only place I've ever seen him. He always calls me at home and tells me where to meet him. >> You mean to say you've been working for this Deleno and you don't even know where he lives? >> Well, I don't know what else to tell you. I'm squaring with you. I really don't know. >> Right. Talk to him, man. >> Yeah, Sam. I'll be right back now. >> What do you got, Sam? >> Charlie Hart and I just got back from a place down on Gibbons Avenue. The store? >> Yeah. >> Thought you'd like to know. We found a gun in the back of the place hidden under a lumber pile. >> All right. Did you check it out? >> Yeah, I ran it through a gun rack at this register. What's the name? George Deleno. 7:38 a.m. With the new lead on the alleged boss of [music] the gambling ring, George Deleno, we interrupted our questioning of the suspect, Mike Filmer. We took him down the hall back to the [music] homicide squad room to be held for further interrogation. We checked Deleno through RNI, but we had no [music] record on him. Then along with Sergeant Sam Flowers and Charlie Hart of homicide, we drove out to the address of George Deleno as listed in the gun registration files. It was a small cottage in the Wilshire area. The woman who answered the door identified herself as Mrs. [music] George Deleno, the suspect's wife. She called her husband to the door. We identified ourselves, briefed him on the reason for our visit, and told him we wanted to talk to him downtown. He appeared cooperative, more than willing to come along. He got dressed. We drove him back to the city hall and took him to the interrogation room. He was well-dressed and in his own way well-mannered. After being told of the situation, he admitted freely that he'd been operating games at different locations throughout the city for the past month and a half. He told us that he'd employed Mike Filmer to assist him in his operations, and he also admitted ownership of the gun found near the murder scene. The gun had since [music] been checked by Russ Camp and Ballistics and found to be the murder weapon. >> Well, yes, it's my gun, but I'd like to explain a little bit about it. >> What's that, Delino? >> Well, number one, I admit I'm a gambler. That's my racket. I'm new to Los Angeles. I admit I've been working a few games, but I'm no murderer. I wouldn't have any part of it. >> You said you were going to explain about the gun. Now, what about it? >> Now, look, I'd like to fill you in on everything, officers. I got nothing to hide from you. I'll tell you everything. Well, >> when I first came to this town, as I say, it's been about 5 6 weeks. I made a few connections and I started running these games. For the first couple of weeks, everything went fine. No beefs. Everything was fine. All I had to do was dodge you fellas. Then the trouble started in. >> How do you mean? >> You mind if I have a smoke? A little upset. >> All right. Go ahead. You care for one? >> No, nothing. I want to fill you in from the start. I want to clear this whole thing up. >> Yeah, that's what you said. >> Yeah. Well, as I told you, first few weeks, everything was fine. Then one night when the game was just about ready to break, a couple of punks came in, held us up, they cleaned everybody in the place, made a big haul. >> When was this? Where did it happen? >> Down on the east side. Punks took us for everything. You know how it is. I couldn't make a report to you. I just had to take it. Cover the lodes myself. >> Yeah. Now, how about that gun? I'm coming to it. This thing happens and I figure that's the end of it. But no, a couple nights later, they hit again. And I still can't squawk. Have to stand the losses. Another couple nights, they knock us over again. Couldn't do a thing about it. Losing. >> All right. We've heard all that. That's your racket. You can expect it. All we want to know is about that gun. Now, what's your story? >> I told you I was coming to it. After the third time they reached us, I hired a guard, somebody to stand watch outside in case of another stick up. The only thing I could do. >> Yeah. Well, so I hired some guy to stand guard on the games loan my gun in case there was any trouble. >> And you told him to use it in case there was trouble. >> Yeah, that's right. >> How about a raid from the police? You tell him to use it for that? >> No, no. Well, matter of fact, I made a point of telling him about that. All he was supposed to use the gun for was just to fire it up in the air. Maybe scare those punks off and warn the guys inside at the same time. >> We'll talk about that later. Delena, we want to know who had the gun last night. >> Well, the guard did. I told you I loaned him the gun. >> Who was a guard? What's his name? Where do we find him? >> His name's Jake. A friend of mine got him for me. See, Jake Gleason, I said Gleon. Where's he live? >> Couldn't tell you that. I don't know. I always contacted him at a bar in South Vermont. Place I go quite a bit. Be a little too early to catch him there now. >> What do you know about this Gleon? What's he look like? Well, I don't know. I haven't seen him much. I guess you'd say he's about 32, 33. Kind of light brown hair, tall ex-con. I think either he told me or somebody told me he did time. >> You knew he was an ex-con and you gave him your gun. >> Well, yeah, but I didn't tell him to shoot anybody. I made a point of telling him that. Dumb jerk. Especially shooting a cop. All he was supposed to do is fire up in the air if those punks came around, scare him away to help me. That's the only time he was supposed to use the gun I told him. >> How much of a story do I know? Can you prove it? >> Sure, I can prove it. You can ask Mike. Mike Filmer tell you the same thing. You can ask Gleon himself. A dumb jerk. Mike said he wasn't too sharp. A little punchy. Wasn't quite right in the head. >> What's that? >> H I said he was a little punchy. He wasn't quite right in the head. Gleon, >> you mean you met him in a bar? You didn't know anything about his background. You knew he was an ex-con. You had an ID he wasn't too sharp. Maybe he wasn't all there. Is that right? >> Yeah, that's about it. >> And you put this man in a spot where you knew he'd be in trouble. Then you gave him a gun. Is that right? >> How about it, Delino? >> What are you looking at me for? I told the dumb jerk what to do. I didn't tell him to shoot anybody. Punch trunk boozer. >> Yeah, it's truth. I didn't have a thing to do with it. I hired the guy. That's all. It's not my fault. What are you looking at? I wasn't even there. I didn't even know about it. I didn't kill that cop, didn't you? 9:23 a.m. We continued questioning George Deleno. He told us that he'd [music] instructed Jake Gleason, the ex-convict, to stand guard at the rear of the store where the gambling games were held. He insisted that his instructions to Gleason were that if he had to fire the gun at all, it was to fire it in the air and then only as a warning signal in case of [music] robbery attempt. Delena was detained by homicide officers pending further investigation. We checked the [music] name and description of Jake Gleason through A and I and found his record and mugsh shot. We showed the mug to Deleno and he identified it. Gleason's record showed him to be on active parole. 10:30 a.m. We contacted [music] the parole office. They gave us his address and Bill and I checked it out. at the Second Raid Hotel on South Flower Street. The manager told us Gleon had left the hotel about 7:45 that morning and that he was not expected back until after 6:00 that night. He also told us there was a chance we might locate him in one of the bars around the neighborhood. 10:45, [music] we started making the rounds of the bars in the immediate vicinity. The third place we stopped at was practically deserted. The jukebox at the back of the place was turned up to full volume. There was a smell of disinfectant, whiskey, and stale perfume. There was one customer drinking at the far end of the bar. It was Gleon. [music] >> Stand up. Releasing police officers. All right. >> Shake him down, Bill. >> Clean, Joe. [music] >> All right. Hands him back of you. >> Yeah. You want to kill that juke box, Bill? >> Yeah. >> All right. You know why we want you? >> Yeah, I know. Knew there wasn't any sense running. I knew you'd be around. All right, let's go. Could you do me a favor? I mean, wait a minute. Just a minute. >> Yeah. It's like to tell you I didn't mean it. I guess it's my own fault. I shot him. I shouldn't have had the gun. Shouldn't have taken the job. I shot him. I didn't mean it. >> All right, come on. >> There ought to be a way, don't you think? I mean, there really ought to be a way. >> What's that? >> I didn't mean it. No reason to kill him. I didn't even know him. I just keep thinking there's only a way if I could take it back again, you know? >> Yeah, we know. >> I mean, if I could go back and change it, make it all different. I mean, right from the beginning, I wouldn't even look at a gun. I'd change everything. You bet I would. I wouldn't even look at a gun if only had the chance. You know, second chance. There ought to be a way. Second chance. >> You started with a gun, Jake. >> Yeah. >> You never had a first one. [music] >> The story you have just heard was true. The names were changed to protect the innocent. >> On May 22nd, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 88, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. In a moment, the results of that trial. And now, here is our star, Jack Webb. >> Thank you, George Faman. Friends, Fatima gives you more for your money because no other king-size cigarette can match Fatima quality. Because Fatima's length filters and cools the smoke for your protection, gives you those extra puffs. 21% longer than standard cigarette size. I'm convinced that you'll agree with me once you try them. Get a pack of Fatimas next time you buy cigarettes. Fatima, an extra mild and soothing smoke. Best of all, king-size cigarette. >> [music] >> Jacob Allen Gleason was tried and convicted of murder in the first degree and was sentenced to a life term in the state penitentiary. George Deleno, Mike Filmer, and all other principles were found guilty of violating the municipal code 43.01 gambling and received sentences as prescribed by law. George Delano and Mike Filmer were sentenced to six-month terms in the county jail. Others received proportionate sentences. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. James Fox, director on the executive board of the Mystery Writers of America. >> Tonight, it is with a great deal of pleasure that I speaking for the entire membership of the Mystery Writers of America in all fields, present the Edgar Alen Poe Award for the second consecutive year for the finest radio presentation in its class, Dragnet. To you, Jack Webb, and your fine group of technicians responsible for the overall production of Dragnet, we present this statueette of one of the immortals in the field of mystery, Edgar Alan Poe. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Fox, and thanks also the membership of the Mystery Writers of America. >> And standing by to receive his award, also for the second consecutive year as the outstanding radio writer in his field, and for the consistent job he does on Dragnet, Jim Moser. Here's your statueette. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Fox. Ladies and gentlemen, it's seldom indeed when the writer of any radio show receives his just and due acclaim. It's with the greatest of pleasure that we accept the Edgar Allen Pole Awards as it is primarily a writer's award. All of us who have had a hand in bringing Gagnet into your homes each week are proud of our writer Jim Moser. For as anyone in radio will readily go on record by saying and knowing that you're only as good as the script you read. So, it's with deep gratitude that we receive the MWA award which best illustrates and confirms the high opinion which we all hold of our writer Jim Moser. Thank you, Jack. And I'd like to express my special appreciation to our technical advisers from the Los Angeles Police Department, without whom none of this would be possible. [music] You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice comes from the office of chief of police, WH Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. >> [music] >> Technical advisers, Captain Jack Dano, Sergeant Marty Wyn, Sergeant Vance Bracher. Heard tonight were Martin Milner, Eddie Firestone, Whit Connor. Script by Jim Moser. Music by Walter Schuman. Hal Gibney [music] speaking. Fatima Cigarettes. Best of all, Kingsize [music] Cigarettes is brought you dragnet, transcribed from Los Angeles. Now it's Counter Spy on NBC. >> [music] >> You've been listening to the otrold network. Find more classic radio at otrold.com. [music] All right, a fun episode today. [clears throat] Fun chat as well. It looks like based on the responses, I guess I've never mentioned this before. Uh, but some of my earlier absences on streams were to make like ultrasound appointments and things. So maybe I was keeping that under wraps at the time. But yeah, we are expecting our fourth child, probably our final. But we're excited that it's going to balance us out of two wonderful girls and then we'll have two uh two boys, wonderful boys. Um, it's been fun, but we are Yeah, we're we haven't settled on a name yet. And normally I'm like the I'm the type of person that likes to have it planned ahead of time because then when you know my wife's pregnant I I'm saying like how's the baby? Like how are you doing? How's the baby? Instead I like to say like how is you know whoever's in there? Let's just talk about him. But we haven't got to that point yet. So anyway, I'm taking some uh taking any any advice or any uh suggestions on names into consideration. Paul, I have an uncle named Paul, but again, that's a it's short with the last name like Voc. It's just so one syllable. It's just so quick. But then there's also Tom Cruz. You know, it's one syllable, one syllable. And I know he chose that as his stage name. I forget what his real name is. See Tom crew. So you can definitely make it work with uh with two one syllable names. Yeah, man. How do you even say this? Look at this. Tom So his name Tom Cruz is actually Thomas Cruz. I don't even know how it's mapur map the fourth. Someone explain this to me. Someone type it out phonetically. But uh anyway, so he shortened it. It's worked out well for him. Um but anyway, that's that's the news from my end. we got. So that's sometime in um I've kind of frontloaded a lot of vacation and I've been like more spotty on streams in terms of hitting like every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday of a week. So like I said, today is going to be the only stream for this week, but then next week we'll be here Monday, Wednesday, Friday, the week after that should be like Monday, Wednesday, and then I got a conflict that Friday. But um after that I should be back. I don't have anything like scheduled and where I know I'm going to be out except for at some point in the next couple months we're expecting a baby and then and then for that little period of time right after it's really hard to have anything scheduled because you have I have no idea you know what what the needs are going to be. But my promise to you is if I can make it work, I'll be here because I enjoy these. I enjoy I enjoy the community and I want to keep I want to keep the momentum. What I don't want to do is feel like when I went when I went to um Finland was gone for 10 days. That was that was a long break and then we missed a few of you for those first few streams while I think everyone's, you know, lives got busy or the the schedule kind of fell out of place. So, I I want to reduce that as much as possible. So, my promise to you is even though I might be a little spotty for the next little bit, these are still important to me. I want to make them as frequent as possible. And my goal is always Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 9:00 a.m. So, with that, thank you all for the the congratulations. And um Addy, again, thank you for the gifting of the channel memberships. Someone says Map Brother. Oh, Addy says Map Other. I don't know. Like, so here, let me highlight this one on screen so people maybe watching the replay can educate us. How do you say Tom Cruz's last name? Thomas Cruz, my brother. I don't know. I don't even know where that's from. So, someone educate me please in the comments. [laughter] I love Oh man, this one made me laugh. I love the sarcasm throughout everything. Sounds like your wife's a teeny bit selfish when you're trying to have a live stream schedule. I mean, come on, right? Just kidding. She tunes in sometimes. Honey, we love you. It's dripping with sarcasm. I should probably leave before I get in any more trouble. But thank you all for tuning in. Have a great Monday. Have a great week. And I hope to see you back next Monday when we're streaming again. And uh we got three streams that week plus a members choice live stream that's open to everybody. We just choose the channel members get to choose what it is. Uh Life with Rosco suggested we listen to the episode of Escape that features Peggy Weber and Jack Webb. That's the first time they work together. Um Peggy shared that information with me on the on the interview or on the discussion we had together. So if you haven't seen that, go check that out. It's on the channel. Look for behind the mic or just search Peggy Weber OTR Gold. You will find it. Anyway, that's all for me for now. Have a good week and until I see you, uh, be good. And I don't know how to end it. I just try to end it so many times. Adios. See you. [music] >> [music]