Ep 874 : Amelia Davis / Jim Marshall's Photos of the final Beatles concert

Amelia Davis, my friend and uh owner of the Jim Marshall Archives has returned. How are you? >> I'm good. Thank you, Dean. It's so much fun to talk with you and see you. >> Oh, man. I'm going to be uh up your way in a couple weeks if you want to go. The the Saratoga Mountain Winery >> in Saratoga. Send me the email. >> I will. I will. >> Yeah. What do we got behind it? Have you rotated the photos behind it at all? >> No, they've stayed the same. [laughter] >> Before Before we get into it, I I've got a pitch for you and I thought about it this morning walking. I would love to do like a collab with you and just do a Dan the Green photo book. >> I think it needs to be done. First of all, the Peter Frampton uh photo at Dand Green is one of the most iconic Jim Marshall photos and >> absolutely >> and and I am obsessed with Dan Green and so many people in the Bay Area are also, but I think the world needs to understand, you know, you had Woodstock and you had, you know, these festivals, a couple of them like that Almond Brothers, uh Grateful Dead one that happened a couple years later. But then Bill really kind of pioneers this stadium style festivals, >> right? You know, it's true. And a lot of people um younger generation know nothing about it. It's kind of been lost in history, I think. Um and a lot of amazing acts and and Bill, you know, he was such a visionary, too. um and brought a lot to the the music scene here in San Francisco and Oakland, you know, the Bay Area. Um which was just amazing. Yeah. >> Well, also I interviewed Dennis Lens that did all the scrims for this the concerts and uh yesterday I had Corey Glo Glover on from Living Color and we were talking about you know the Stones and Living Color on the Steel Wheels tour, but that's later on. But the 70s day in the greens into the early 80s are insane. And I know Jim has some great photos from that. >> He sure does. And a lot of it hasn't been seen. >> So that's great. You know, a lot of acts that nobody knew Jim photographed. So I mean he's got some great um >> Oh god. >> Dolly Parton. Did he shoot that one? No, he doesn't have Dolly Parton, but you know, he's got um just tons of stuff. I can't I'm blanking in my head right now, but um you know, Leon Russell, he's got Leon Russell, some great shots of him like on top of the piano [laughter] and the crowd is there and and of course Peter Frampton. I mean, that was just amazing. Well, what's really crazy too is if you think about these Bills back then like Leon Russell like you know the uh the um the Bills the headliners at the time when you look at the headliners you're like wait Leon Russell was headlining 60,000 people. >> I know >> you know that kind of stuff is wild and I would love to see what eras and shows he shot. How many Day Greens did he shoot? I >> think like three or four, but they were major major ones. So, you know, you got a lot of the great the the Winter Brothers, you know, I mean, just like some great stuff. >> Yeah. Edgar Winner headlined Day on the Green. When you think about that right now, you go, Edgar Winner, like it's just crazy to think. Did he do Zeppelin? >> Not on Day on the Green. He did Zeppelin in LA, >> right? >> But not Day on the Green. >> Wow. I' I'd love to know which ones he shot and look through the photos and uh I mean, >> you should come up here next time. When you're up here, we'll, you know, go through the photos together. >> Yeah, I got to do that. I got to do that. I'll be there. I won't this time. I won't. But when I'm there for a weekend, I'm I'm all over that because I think this would be an incredible book just visually the stage, the uh the the size of these shows and and >> stage too, which is what Jim, sorry to interrupt, which is what Jim is so good at is, you know, not only the performance shots, but behind the scenes, too, right? um which she's got tons of which is so great to see because you normally don't get that viewpoint, you know. >> Yeah. And and I've seen so many backstage photos where they got the chalkboard with the times. It's just so like early festival life and and it really brings me up to today's subject because, you know, outdoor concerts were, you know, few and far between. I mean, they would have fairgrounds and all that, but it wasn't like every, you know, month like Dan Green became, but you think about some of the famous ones, which is Beatles Shay Stadium, >> of course, and then, you know, you've got the Beatles Candlestick, and that's the this new book is the Beatles Live at Candlestick, which was their last show, unless you count the uh rooftop concert, which that's a different animal, but this was the last show. And you think about the Beatles, their first gig in America is the Cow Palace 1964. Their last gig is Candlestick 1966. That's when I'm born. And it's two years these guys tour. >> I know. I know. Nonstop. They were I mean, they were faking burnt out, man. And that and I think it really shows in the photos in this book too because again true to Jim Marshall, he was the only professional photographer allowed in the locker room because it was at Candlestick Park which is so there was no green room. It was literally the locker room. Um and they just they tried to dress it up by putting white tablecloths on foldout tables and you know a local Simpsons catering from North Beach catered it. Um, so they tried to make it look really good, but the photos Jim got, they are just they're bored, they're tired, you know, they're uh and they're not drinking alcohol like normal, you know, every everyday rock stars are. They're drinking tea and they're smoking like crazy and they're doodling on the tablecloth and they're just, you can meet meat and grates, but they're tired. And uh you know, Jim didn't know. Jim always said he had no idea that this was going to be their last live concert really. Um and so when they he just took the pictures and when they left that was it. It was over. Boom. Boom. They're gone. No more Beatles. >> It's it's really wild too because, you know, their major complaint was back then they couldn't hear theirelves because they did not have state-of-the-art sound systems like they did now. They just had those steel, you know, horns and then they just turned the amps up on 10 and they played, but they couldn't hear theirel, you know, >> they couldn't. And I mean, it was just the stadium equipment. They're in the middle of the field on a stage surrounded by a gate, right? So, it's weird. And it's San Francisco, so it's cold and foggy and you can't hear anything. And it was it was a disaster. It was not a great concert. Um, you know, and that's what everybody says. Even Jim, he was like, it was like being in a Hard Day is Night movie. It was crazy. >> Yeah. And I think they played 36 minutes. >> Yep. And then they left. They came in on in an armored car. >> Yeah. >> And had to park it right at the field because the groundkeeper was like, "You are not going to be ruining my grass." So, you cannot drive that armored car over the grass. So they had to take all of their equipment and walk it to the stage and then when they left they got in the armored car and it took off to the airport. >> Yeah, that's what's crazy. They go armored car. So it's like the one that they pick up the money at Banks in and they go straight to SFO and fly home. And >> it is uh unbelievable what this this show, you know, like the photos. First of all, like you said, the stage is a cage. It's really weird. Now, here's one of the things I was really tripping on was you got SFO, SFPD there and stuff. Um, but you know, at any time those people could have easily just gone towards the stage and completely took over the whole thing. >> Yep. And there was one [clears throat] lone guy who jumped down and the police were chasing him, but it was just it was silly. it was nothing threatening. So yeah, I mean just one guy, but you know that's San Francisco. I think [laughter] >> another another um thing that I think that this book is so amazing about is it captured Candlestick. It is gone now. And you know I saw the uh Stones. So at the time there was only two concerts ever really at Candlestick. It was Beatles and then Stones on the Tattoo U. >> And then later they had the Monsters of Rock with Van Halen and Metallica and Dawan and Kingdom Come. >> But at the time it it's just those two bands and you're thinking this is wild, you know, like the Beatles played in ' 66 80 the Stones play there >> and Candlestick is um it was iconic for being freezing cold on the on the bay there. The wind blew in weird. The Giants played there. No one ever went to go see games. It was too cold. The Giants sucked. >> So, it's really >> towards the end it was kind of dilapitated and it was falling apart. I mean, chunks of concrete would fall down and people were like scared to even go there. >> Yeah. I'll tell you a crazy story. I was there the day they imploded the Geneva Towers. >> Oh god. >> The projects. So, I was watching the Giants. I believe I went with Tim from the Mother Hips. I can't remember, but we're watching the game and then they go, "They're going to implode the Geneva Tower." So, we went up to the rim and we watched it and we're like, "This is crazy." During a Giants game and then the smoke and asbestous and [ __ ] cancer [ __ ] blew right into the stadium. So, you know, I've shaved some ears off the back end [laughter] here. >> Of course. Oh my god. I know Candlestick Park. What memories? >> Oh, I got a picture. I I rode up there on my Harley-Davidson the day that they were going to tear down Candlestick. So, I rode all the way up there. I've got photos and part of it was gone and the orange seats were in the parking lot and people were stealing the orange seats. >> I know. And they auctioned them off and people bought them online and it was I know it was crazy. And then they never rebuilt anything. still completely desolate. I mean, just nothing. Well, there's an amazing documentary um called Hunter Point, and it's the number one breast cancer area, I believe, in America because the Navy ships would come in there and they would scrape the paint off the ships and let it go right in the water and it got into the soil and all of the, you know, those projects up there and everything are loaded with uh toxic lead water and these people, these female women got, you know, tons of cancer. >> Well, it was predominantly African-American who lived there. So, I did a whole book on breast cancer um because my mother had breast cancer and so I did and it came out in 2000 and I have a lot of women that I interviewed and photographed from Hunter Bay View Hunter Point and it really just horrible and a lot of artist studios were there too. Um, so everybody was affected by it and they supposedly cleaned it up, the city, but you can't clean that [ __ ] up. I mean, it just seeps into the soil. Yeah. >> And it's just horrible. I know. >> Yeah. And yet we don't learn anything. Glyophate is everywhere. Our soil is completely destroyed. It's uh it's a it's a wild time. Definitely. You know, >> I know. >> Now, the cow palace is another star in this book. Now, I want to uh see if I can show this book here. I got it like uh There we go. [laughter] It's hard to see, but you got one there. >> I do. Let me put it up. >> Yeah. Yeah, there it is. It's beautiful. These photos are fantastic. And look at that. Now, the Beatles start their career in what I think is one of the most iconic venues in America as far as underrated. The story needs to be told. I'm dying to play this place, do comedy there. The Cow Palace. Now, in 1964, the Beatles come to America and they start there. The Cow Palace in the last two years has had this amazing resurgence. Yes. >> That because of these uh DJs from Europe and this guy had a vision of like they all love to be inside this place because it doesn't have uh you know luxury boxes and all that high ceilings and so it is killing again man. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, originally it was what it was, the Cow Palace and they had livestock there and so it you can imagine what it how huge it is, but yeah, they started doing concerts there and you know the Rolling Stones actually played there in ' 65, 1965 and Jim has photos photos of that and it's, you know, there they don't have their edgy look yet. They have, you know, haircuts and Mick is wearing an Oxford white shirt and uh, you know, it's half full because the, you know, the the Stones weren't the Stones yet really. People didn't in America didn't know who they were. So, you have this one shot that Jim took behind Charlie Watts at the of the drum kit and the whole upper part is empty. Completely empty. It's amazing. Yeah. >> Yeah. That put, you know, I um I did a podcast in there with the uh people that run it and you go into the dressing room and they have this classic photo of the Beatles in this little box room. There was no dressing rooms there. It's a literally a box >> and there's this black and white photo of them in there, you know. >> I know. It's funny. It's funny. But I think, you know, it was important for me to show that aspect in the book too of Jim because people ask, well, you know, why in ' 64, why did Jim not photograph them at the Cow Palace? He did it in ' 65, but not 64. Because Jim was on the East Coast. Jim moved to New York from ' 62 to the end of ' 64. So, he wasn't there to photograph that. Otherwise, he would have, but he was photographing music. He was doing, you know, the folk festivals and he had photographed Bob Dylan rolling the tire down Greenwich Village, you know, John Bayz, just all these iconic jazz. He did a lot of jazz. Then, you know, Theonius Monk in his teeny apartment in New York City with his grand piano in the kitchen. I mean, just some great great shots. But um I really wanted to bring that story in to show Jim was a working breathing professional photographer. And at that point he had already made a huge name for himself. He had already photographed a ton of album covers. So of course the Beatles knew who Jim was, you know, and of course they wanted him to photograph them because he was the guy at that point. >> How does he get um asked to do Candlestick? Does he actually become personal friends with the Beatles and stay in touch with them? >> He stayed in touch with Paul McCartney, right? >> Um, but yeah, he wasn't. He never was close close friends with them. He Tom Donahghue was the one that really put the whole thing together and he was the one that really said, you know, we want Jim because Jim is the guy and we're going to get the best photos if we have Jim photograph this. So, it was really Tom Donahghue behind the whole thing and he he had a company called Tempo Productions. So, they put it on. Um, and in the book, we talk a lot about it. Joel Selvin wrote a great piece in the book and does a lot of the history and it's really great. Does a deep dive into it. Um, you know, and a lot of people, one of the things I wanted to do with this book is show almost every photograph because people basically saw maybe five to 10 of the photographs from that that Jim would let out into the world and there's so many more, you know, and it's only 17 proof sheets. That's it. >> Wow. So, we included the proof sheets in the book, too, which I wanted to do because it gives you another sense of Jim's train of thought when he was photographing. It was like kind of a journal, but also people don't know what a proof sheet is these days with digital photography. They have no clue. So, you know, it was important to show this is what these guys they were shooting on film and they had proof sheets and then they looked through their proof sheets and they used a grease pencil and circled the one that they thought was their best shot. But, you know, Jim Marshall, you got 36 frames on a roll. They're all iconic, every one of them. [laughter] >> Now, you were with Jim a long time before he passed, obviously. And, uh, if you guys have not seen the documentary, I cannot recommend it enough. Now, over those years, of course, you know, Jim and you talk all all the time, every day, but did he ever tell you like what that concert was like? I mean, he was shooting it, so he's not really even That's the thing. You're shooting and you're in another world, but does he really have any stories on that? Like, oh god, these guys were done, you know? >> Well, yes. I mean, he did what he did say is is what he told everybody that it was just crazy. It w was not a success, you know, because of everything we described. It was just the stadium lights. They were in this little cage. Nobody could hear them. They couldn't even hear themselves sing. Um, you know, they came on, they came off. It was just a disaster. Um, but again, he said Jim did not know that this was going to be their last live concert. You know, some people say they knew, some people said they didn't know. You know, there's all these different stories, but Jim himself always said, "I had no idea that that was their last gonna be their last live concert." But, um, you know, he really it was great. I mean, he was in there and he shot live stuff and behind the scenes, which he I think he felt really comfortable doing that. And what's great about Jim is he captures kind of everything. So, it's not just like the people, but he'll zoom in closely to what they're doodling, you know, and most photographers don't think they don't think of doing that. They just capture the subject and that's it. But Jim would go all around and do all these different kinds of, you know, photographs of little little pieces that he thought were interesting. And so, it really tells a story is that that's what his photos do. And I think that's why he was a photojournalist. He never never wanted to be called a music photographer. He was a you know photojournalist. He was documenting um things that were happening with his camera and that's really how you know he took his photos like telling a story a true from start to finish. >> Now when you put this together were you ever able to talk to Ringo or Paul? Like I would love to see Paul look at this thing >> and just and just go like, "Oh yeah, this right here or that, you know?" >> Me too. No, they're really really hard to get a hold of unless you've got, you know, some kind of in. So if Jim were still alive, probably, but Jim isn't alive. So, you know, we sent them books. Hopefully, we'll hear back. But I did. Julian Lennon did uh see the book online and he DM'd me and he's like, "Hey, is there any way I could get a copy of that?" And I was like, "Of course." So we sent him a book and it was wonderful. He goes, "There's so many photos of my dad that I've never seen." >> Wow. >> And it was he goes, "Thank you. This is a beautiful book." You know, so that was really nice to hear. interesting thing about um him is uh like you know have you heard uh Claypool uh Lennon Delirium? >> No. >> Sean Lennon's band >> I've heard of it but I haven't Yeah, I haven't heard it. >> I tell you, you know, like I saw Julian Lennon on that first tour they put he played the Warfield. Uh my mom and I went and uh it's really wild to see how artistic and incredible Sean Linen has become. I mean, this guy is just a juggernaut in art rock, man. And it's and it's and it's not like it feels so authentic and what he's doing with Les Clayole to me is it's just unbelievable, man. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, they come from a creative family. >> Yeah. But, you know, there's only a handful of people that have ever really knocked me out. you know, Jacob Dylan, Sean Lennon, uh there's there's some out there that have done it and you're like, "Wow, Jeff Buckley, you know, but uh man, they are that that band is uh it is it to me it could just be easily right in the Beatles 60s era of the psychedelia, you know." >> Wow. Right. That's cool. Well, it's funny, too, because when you think of the Beatles when they were playing Candlestick Park, >> just over in the hate Ashberry, you know, the whole counterculture was starting to just explode. Yeah. And you got the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane and all those guys are are just forming and really starting to explore psychedelic you know rock which is such a interesting juosition with the Beatles [laughter] you know this teeny bopper band playing these songs and then you've got this psychedelic counterculture thing happening at the Fillmore and Winterland and you know I mean Winterland yeah Wonderland was there so you have you know all of this stuff and again It's Bill Graham, right? Yeah. >> Bill Graham, >> visionary. >> I um I wonder if they're, you know, I I've met people over the years that saw that Beatles Candlestick show, you know, and it's a lot like Woodstock. A lot of people say they were there, but they weren't there, you know. I wonder what amount of successful uh bands from the hate era like say the dead, say Santana, say Jefferson Airplane, uh you know, Country Fish, all these people. I wonder who them went to that show because with me when I was young, I'm at Dan the Greens and then I go, I want to play music. I wonder how many famous or they weren't famous then but became famous later because of that show. >> That's an interesting I don't know. That's a really interesting thought. I know. >> Yeah. Like did any of the dead go to that? Did Bob Weir or anybody see that Beatles show? You know, because they're in they live there and everybody knows it's going on. It was huge, >> right? I mean, that's interesting. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, the other musician that was there was Joan Bayz, right? So, she she went there with her sisters. So, Jim's got some great shots of her meeting the Beatles. Um, and she's like huge at that time, too. But she's looking at the Beatles like they're these, you know, amazing gods. And she's just as popular, right? >> Oh, yeah. And she looks dynamite in the photo. She's smiling like, "Oh my god, I can't believe I'm seeing the Beatles." >> I know. It's great. Really, when you think about it, nobody saw the Beatles in a in a grand scheme of Earth, right? >> You know, there's like two years. Sure, a shitload of shows, but really minimal people when you look at the grand scheme saw the Beatles. >> Yeah, it's true. I know. I know. Well, and that's why this book, you know, I think is important, too, because you can look at the photos and it makes you feel like you're there. And that's, you know, again with Jim's photography, I never feel like I'm a voyer looking in. I feel like I'm right there with Jim seeing what he's seeing through his camera lens. And so, you know, the book really gives you that feeling of being there and what it was like the whole, you know, in the locker rooms during the boring meet and greets and drinking tea and, you know, smoking tons of cigarettes. Um, and then going out onto the stage and looking like a zoo animal. I mean, you know, surrounded by this chain link link fence. >> That fence would have done [ __ ] if the people just got up there. That thing was just like It was just like this. It looked like a little uh like thing you keep your dogs in in the backyard, you know? >> It does. It does. It's so funny. I know. Another thing I like looking at with the photos is I just uh I've got a a book here called uh what is it called? It's like the Beatles gear. It uh it has all their equipment. It's called Beatles something. It's over there. I see it. Uh Beatles gear. That's what it's called. >> And it has all their gear ever. So I love looking at this candlestick. you're seeing the amps and the drums and the guitars, you know, and you're like, "Oh, there's their stuff right there." You know, it's wild. >> It's cool. It's really cool. I know. And Jim, and we tried to um identify as many people as we could in the book, too, because >> when there are captions of these photos, nobody tells you who these people are. >> So, you know, we set out to really try and identify as many people as we could. >> Here's a funny photo in here. It's Joan Bayz hugs Beatles roadie Mel Evans. And when you look at him, he does not look like the roadies that I know in the 70s. He's dressed all sweet and kickass and he looks like he uh could easily been the keyboard player in the Beatles, you know. Um it's funny to see that. Then there's some great photos of the Ronettes open. Now, I never knew there was an opening act at that show. >> Yep. and the circle too, which was another >> act. But and and oddly enough, well, not oddly, interestingly enough, Ronnie was not Ronnie Spectre was not allowed to go to be there because he was jealous of the Beatles. So, he forbade Ronnie from going and playing. So, I think her cousin came and stepped in for her. >> Whoa, that's nuts. >> Yep. What a >> Isn't that crazy? >> There's one There's one photo in here called fans watch the Beatles Inner Candlestick and the dude looks like Brian Wilson. >> I know. >> It's nuts. >> I [laughter] know. >> I know. >> I tell you, you know, I feel blessed to have grown up in the Bay Area and to been to these venues and the history. Uh, I think more than anywhere in the United States, San Francisco has one of the most incredible music history uh, of anywhere. I don't care what you say, New York or whatever. it to me it's really just that 60s thing and then you get into the you know the 80s of all this stuff of like from Huey Lewis to you know just to dead Kennedy's to to Metallica. It's just insane all the music out of there over the years. >> Yeah. Yeah. I know. It's great. I mean Yeah. And this the book what I love too is it's really kind of a love letter to San Francisco, >> right? >> The Beatles and Jim Marshall. >> Yeah. >> And the the publisher is Chronicle Books, which is a San Francisco publisher. And they literally are their headquarters is a block away from the Giant Stadium today. So, it's just it's just so San Francisco, all of it, you know, and encompasses the history. And it's it's a great book. It's a great book. >> Now, how many books have you done? I I had the Grateful Dead one. We talked about that, which is mindboggling. This There's a bunch of books, but how many are there now? >> Well, we I've since Jim has passed away in 2010, I've done eight books. >> Wow. >> So, a lot. And you know, because Jim, we've talked about this, is was a hard guy to deal with when he was alive. and he had, you know, he would only show certain things and, uh, publishers didn't want to deal with him because he was so erratic. Um, and so it's almost like since Jim passed away and he trusted me with his children, the roadblock is not there anymore, >> right? And so he's got so many historic photos of many different things that I really want to share it with people, especially the younger generation because they just they eat up. They're like sponges. They don't know this history and nobody's telling them about it. And so I think a photography book is the best way to get this out there and show people what it is, you know? Oh, and we're going to have a show at SFO, San Francisco International Airport, starting August 1st on the Beatles and Jim's protest photos. >> So, it's called uh two sides to a coin and it's about because it's simultaneously you've got the Beatles performing, but you've got all of these anti-war protests. Um, tons of stuff going on. So, it's really interesting to see the two different sides. So that's going to be up almost for a year. So if anybody is is going to be flying through SFO, it's between terminal 2 and three. You need to go see it. It's it's going to be amazing. Amazing. >> That SFO is just beautiful now, man. They got they got, you know, human food in there. You know, they do the uh silent airport. No speakers. And [clears throat] and me being a traveler every weekend, you immediately notice stuff like that and it's just zen. You're in there like, "Oh god, it's nice in here." And last time I was there, they had a full photo exhibit of something else and I was like, "This is incredible." And there's no like It's just peaceful, man. You know? >> Yeah. Well, that I mean it is a real museum, so they rotate their shows and they just have some amazing shows that they put together. So, this one's going to be great. I really And they're wrapping the columns. There's four big concrete columns, floor to ceiling. They're going to wrap all four with photographs. It's going to be amazing. >> Wow. >> So, you know, everybody needs to go for sure. >> Other than our day in the green book, what's coming up? [laughter] Well, I can tell you now. Monterey pop. >> Oh, man. That photo behind you is Monterey Pop. Jim Morrison. Is that called? Is that San Francisco? >> Jim. No, that was the Northern California Folk Rock Festival. >> Gotcha. >> You know that is that's John Lennon at Candlestick. >> Wow. >> Smoking cigarette there. But uh yeah, Monterey Pop >> the best. >> Next year is the 60th anniversary. So, uh, yeah, Chronicle Books did a Monterey Pop book in ' 92 and Joel 7 wrote the text, but I mean that, you know, publishing has just come such a long way since '92. They cropped the photos. The reproductions are not great and it kind of there's no rhyme or reason to where they place the photos. So, we're like, we need to do a proper coffee table book of Monterey Pop for next year. And so, that's what we're doing. and Joel Selvin wrote the text. We're reusing his text. We added some people. Um Yorma Kalin from Jefferson Airplane talks about what it was like. And then Matthew Baton, who's a Leica user, really great photographer, wrote about um how Jim influenced him as a photographer today. looking back at Jim's photos that he took. Um Jim really influenced a lot of young photographers that are now kind of at the top of their game. But uh that's going to be a beautiful book. So definitely everybody needs to get that. >> Did Jim take that Hendrickx photo from there with the guitar on fire? >> Yep. That was Jim's. >> Come on, man. That's like >> I mean >> that's so iconic. Just the whole thing too of like the who making Hendrickx go on before them and he's like all right you're gonna pay the price now >> and >> exactly and the Grateful Dead got sandwiched between the two. >> So you [laughter] you know you've got >> Jim not the who. >> Yeah >> who like is probably one of the first times they're performing in the United States. So nobody knew they were just like oh my god who are these guys destroying smashing all of their equipment. After that, the smoke is starting to clear and here comes the Grateful Dead. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> They were like, "How do you compete with that?" They played and then you get Jimmyi Hendris who then lights his guitar on fire. It's just crazy. Crazy. Yeah. But again, you know, that was one of the first rock concerts that was devoted to rock and roll and it's just amazing. I mean, you even get Otis Reading, you know, who came out like a freaking freight train. >> Janice >> Janice Joplin, Jefferson Airplane. I mean, you know, Country Joe and the Fish. I You just You have so many iconic San Francisco bands that were playing there um at the Monterey Fairgrounds, which is still there today. >> I think there's a photo of Brian Wilson there back Brian Jones backstage there. Brian Jones was there by himself, not as >> Yeah. Not as the Stones, but as himself. >> Yeah. And he hung out and Dennis Hopper was there. You know, Jim >> has such a great shot of Dennis Hopper. And that's where Dennis Hopper saw Jim >> running around with all his five leas on him and that he based his character on Jim for Apocalypse Now. And that's from the concert seeing Jim there. >> Wow man. I did a film with Dennis Hopper and it's the highlight of my life, you know? It's just like to sit down and talk apocalypse now with him is just so [ __ ] mind-boggling, you know? And his photos are fantastic. >> Yeah, he he was an incredible photographer, too, and a big art collector. >> Oh, god. He had so many warh halls, man. He had like [ __ ] a garage of warh halls. They're like, "There's 75 of those [ __ ] you know, different different ones that Oh [ __ ] these are worth a fortune now." You know? >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh god. >> I will tell you this before I get out of here. I uh last time I was in San Francisco, I went to um Paul McCartney's photo exhibit. Did you go? >> I did. It was really interesting. I thought it was interesting. Yeah. I mean, he he even says, "I'm not gonna say I'm a professional photographer, but he I mean, he had an eye. You could see some of the stuff that that really early stuff of John Lennon in natural light. So, the only light source is is the light. I mean, it was great. Some of it I really enjoyed it. I thought it was good. >> Oh god, some of those like Holiday Inn photos of them at the pool and [ __ ] That's nuts. >> I know. I know. It's really crazy. And they all had actually cameras. All of them when they were at Candlestick Park, you can see all of their cameras. They all took photos. And there's that one when they're coming off the airplane um in that series where Paul McCartney has his camera and he's shooting directly at Jim. I would give anything to see if Paul McCartney has that film >> still or if he lost it. Who knows? But that would be amazing. What was crazy that those photos were just stashed in some [ __ ] attic, you know? >> Yep. >> 60 years. >> I know. And Ringo has some really good photos, too, that he would take like inside the limos looking out at the fans. >> Oh, that was crazy. [clears throat] >> Yeah, >> they're just running towards them. You're like, "Wow, look at this." >> I know. >> It was funny. I was hoping more people saw that um saw that uh photo uh show because I was doing bits about it, you know, but people are like, "Huh?" >> Oh, no. >> It's all good. >> Yeah, it's it's good. It's traveling. So, you know, hopefully more people see it. It started in San Francisco, so now they're traveling it. >> But >> where do they get the book? Amazon. >> You get the book anywhere you buy your books. So indep I always like to plug independent book sellers because Amazon is a behemoth and you know we I love to support small businesses but if you have to get it on Amazon it's there. >> I don't use Amazon anymore. I boycott them. But uh yeah my my thing is if I don't get it in the neighborhood, you know, I got to I got to support the neighborhood. The hardware store. >> Okay, I need a plunger. I'm walking over to the hardware store, you know, oh, I need some uh measuring cups, whatever. I need some waters. I'm going to the place in my neighborhood because when your places in the neighborhood close, then you're a goddamn just robot in your house. >> Yep. Yep. I agree. Support support your local bookstore and buy the book. You will not regret it. It's a great price. Um, that's one of the things I love about Chronicle Books is they do these quality photo books and it's an affordable price for everybody. So, get it. You will not be sorry. >> Excellent. And then where's the documentary now? Uh, I think I saw it on Criterion Collection. >> It is. It's in a number of different places. It's called Show Me the Picture, the story of Jim Marshall. You can get it on I think iTunes has it so you can rent it or buy it on iTunes. Um I think Amazon might have it as well. And then our distributor is Utopia and so you can get it on their platform which is called altivod.com. Um so support them. They're, you know, a distributor. They're not a huge conglomerate. So um it's always great to go on to altvod.com as well. But um yeah, the documentary tells you everything about Jim Marshall that you want to know start to finish unfiltered because you know it was important. I think so many times when an archive uh is taken over by somebody they edit all the bad parts of that person and you cannot edit Jim Marshall. Jim Marshall was who he was. He lived the life he wanted to. He had no regrets and that was him. So yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, these rock and roll photographers lived it, man. They were out there. Mick Rock, Jim Marshall, uh, you know, um, >> Baron Wman, rest in peace. Oh my god, I miss Baron every day. >> Um, and and all these guys, they were they were doing the incredible work. uh you know just art that we can see and just you know they they'll stop me in the tracks every time I see them you know and people come in my house and they're like whoa and I love that response and I have different eras of different photographers and they're just so monumental to me. I got rid of all posters in the house. I go no posters anymore. It's got to be uh real photography and man, it makes the place come alive. >> It really does. And they're pieces of history, too, that you know, we don't want to forget. And Jim's got such amazing stuff with the Jazz Greats, too, that people don't realize. They just >> Nile stuff is nuts. >> Oh my god. The Miles Davis in the boxing ring. Come on. >> That's amazing. And when we looked at the proof sheet really closely, what's hysterical is he's literally squatting and leaning on. There's no stool under him. So, he starts sinking and sinking and sinking. And you can see he's getting more and more annoyed with Jim like get the frigin shot because there is no stool under me and falling down. It's great. >> That's great. >> All right. Thank you. Uh website real quick. Jim Marshall PhotographyLLC.com. We're also on Instagram. Please visit our Instagram, Jim Marshall Photo. Uh because I discover new gems that going through the archive. I mean, there's over a million images >> and going through them, we find stuff and I put it up on Instagram because it's it's such a great way to show people. So, definitely give us a follow and you'll see these things that have we unear all the time. Well, I'll see you soon and we will uh get into that Dan the Green archive and uh maybe we'll get get lucky and piece something together because I think it you know I've been wanting to do the Dan the Green documentary for 10 [ __ ] years. I was hoping that Kirk Hammet would jump on board with me because it was really really a gamecher for that band and um you know I think the story needs to be told and and seen because what it was it wasn't just scaffolding and speakers >> right >> it was a fullon Bill wanted it to be like a Broadway play >> so you weren't just sitting in some baseball park generic IC [ __ ] He wanted it to be beautiful and he had a vision and then the eclectic lineups is just fantastic, you know. >> Yeah, it really is. It's It's amazing. >> I talked to Bootsie Collins recently and they had the funk on the green, you know, uh Bill Graham did Funk on the Green with like Parliament Funkadelic and Oh my god, it's Those photos are insane. There's minimal, but wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. fun. >> All right. Thank you for doing the show. >> Thank you, Dean, as always. >> I love you. And uh keep rocking and we're still alive. [laughter] >> Absolutely. Let's keep going. >> Okay. I'll see you. >> Okay. >> Bye.