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they want to launch by end of year Howard Stringer promises that they'll get it up to 90% by the end of year three at the very very latest I think we'll be okay as long as we get through the end of the year and here we are again Alex yet another end of the year show crazy times huh we spoiled for choices huh hey P can you help me with another pre-roll on a podcast this one is with my old buddy Al Borealis from Forum borealis you remember Al right oh I know Al Borealis The Man Behind Forum Borealis a podcast that really gets into some thought-provoking and unconventional topics let me give you a more condensed chatty rundown of who he is and what he does hailing from Norway Al Borealis is the host and creator of forum Borealis a podcast that has been around since 2015 he's known for diving deep into a wide range of topics from esoteric Phil philosophy to Alternative history and even to geopolitics Al has a unique interview style that's both conversational and insightful and he's not afraid to tackle controversial subjects through his work on Forum Borealis Al encourages listeners to think critically about the world and explore New Perspectives the show has received praise for its interesting content and Al's professional approach to hosting overall Al Borealis is a respected voice in Al alternative media and podcasting and he continues to spark curiosity and Inspire audiences with his commitment to uncovering Hidden Truths yeah that's all pretty accurate and you know as you're kind of alluding to he's really kind of blowing up lately I mean within this little community that we're in tin foil hat couple appearances there that were very popular and an appearance on higher side chats with Greg carlwood along with a couple other ones so I think the word is out that you know Al has really done some fantastic work so this is kind of a cool opportunity we've done this for last couple years and I thought we would just connect with this end of year show so you ready to jump in you're absolutely right Alex Al boreales has been making waves in the alternative media community and it's great to see his hard work paying off with appearances on popular shows like tinfoil hat and Higher Side chats he's been gaining recognition and exposure for his unique perspective and inight ful interviews the opportunity to connect with Al at this point in his journey is definitely an exciting one especially given the shared history and the fact that both of you have been doing this for years I'm sure there will be plenty of interesting topics to dive into and I can't wait to hear the conversation unfold let's jump right in and see where this engaging discussion takes us and here we are again Alex yet another end of the year show crazy times h H we spoiled for choices huh what do you mean by that I mean of all the years in all the world to quote kasablanca I mean this one is packed with Evans crazy Evans I mean one thing is is our own life but I'm also thinking in in look if you go back I think it was last year last time you had reached the end of the line a dead end kind of for show you weren't even uh sure you were going to go on and there was a Hiatus period there and then you came back from the desert and just boom this new topic that is um your M Mo right now and so interesting and actually quite a niche too that hasn't been too explored at least not in the way uh you've done and um uh just all the uh like we were I think we call it end game whatever happens now will decide a future kind of thing uh and the decision has been made and apparently I'm not an optimistic person by Nature cuz I can't even believe it that here we're sitting and we may at least it stopped but we may actually get it turned around even on YouTube and if that happens folks Forum Bales is coming back bam for full on YouTube with tons of new uploads which is quite a thing because I haven't done anything there for two years but you are right you're always uploading there even though you're Shadow band yeah and you know it's interesting what you're saying because in preparation for the show I was just mentioned to you a minute ago that I went back and listened to the predictions that we made at the end of last year and uh I don't think they were extremely you know radical they were just reality based but you were especially doubtful that that anything positive could happen and and I think your logic was sound you know it's that the Deep state has fought so hard they they haven't given an inch on anything and there's no way they're going to let anything happen history would suggest you know they how they rigged 2020 and the whole thing which so you were not optimistic at all that that could happen I was not optimistic at all and we're at a totally different space like you just said I I never in my life have I you know I'm older than you are but I was a child when the Kennedy assassination happened can you remember it very no I can't but you know from that point on it's been deep State the whole time it's it's been deep State the whole time so I never lived in a world that wasn't that and now to have people openly talking about the kind of reforms that you've been talking about on your show and I've been talking about it's it's unprecedented you know and I just did a show with graham America you know and one of the things so patient one of the things we chatted about well we were on uh Union of The Unwanted together and it was all this conspiracy Theory black pill kind of stuff like bro now is the time to take a Victory lap now is the time to say we we did something we were part of something take yes for an answer stuff well you know I look at your shows and I always remember this you were the first person that woke me up to covid because of a show that I listened to on your show and that led to a bunch of other research that I did I got that because I listened to forign Borealis it was very early on in the process you know I don't I don't think you were the first one I'm not saying you broke the story but the alternative media that you're a part of broke that story opened people up to that and now to see it come to fruition and then to have this community the same Community want to go well no it's all fake anyway you know it's like bro compared to where we were can't we honestly and objectively look at this and say this is incred in potential we will hold them accountable to whether or not we realize that potential whether or not they come through on what they're promising but the dialogue is completely different and you talked about being on YouTube hell yes you're going to be on YouTube because the tide has just shifted completely YouTube is not they're already relaxing their standards because they have to but they're going to have to continue to do that it is unsustainable it always was unsustainable and now we're just seeing it come to fruition in my opinion so you noticed that personally already oh yeah well I think we all notice it look at the content that you can get all the issues that you and I have wanted to talk about are there in one form or another and they're there they're getting hundreds of thousands or millions of views you know you just did that Nazi show with the tinf fall hack guys and it was fantastic you did a great job a lot of great information all that information that you talked about is out there on YouTube none of the stuff that you talked about is not readily available on YouTube maybe you put it together in a very nice packaged presentation but it's not like you can't get that stuff so they will continue to Shadow ban the little guys and they'll squeeze this and that but hey Russell Brand saying this kind of stuff he says on a daily basis you never got that before still he's taking uh first a te in YouTube and then he's taking it always off to rumble which seems to be the trend for most creators well I think they're doing that primarily for economic reasons but also because they were getting this kind of partial Banning but no anyone who doesn't see that tide changing is just not paying attention course so what did the guys over at the union think they were still pessimistic I thought they were many of them were trumpers there's a black pill scenario in this community in the conspiracy Community it's like like everything's terrible everything's going to fall apart there can be no which hey it's hard to make that shift because we have been through for at least 40 years you know a complete deep State dystopian kind of stuff but now we have people that are putting forth plans that could work so we have to hold them accountable to it and hope the best that there can be change but I just Echo what you said anyone who looks at this and doesn't say this could this could change things you know no I agree but you didn't comment upon your I was doing AI last year when we did the end ofe show as a matter of fact I was just getting ready to publish the book and I had done some shows and I even mentioned it on our Indie show I mentioned that I thought AI could start playing a role in this uh truth use case and uh I just had today you know I think my first example of that that was really pretty interesting but it's kind of inside okay okay so you started the AI already then but anyway you did have that period where you went to the mountain and what you brought back was fantastic because um this time you know we usually listen to a certain amount of each other shows before we do these reviews but there wasn't much catching up I had to do because I've been following the AI read vigorously and very interested and well you've been putting it to use I think in some pretty effective ways and you've shared with me some of those dialogues yeah uh thanks to you actually I think it was your influence who made me uh go deeper into it I had already at least the llms um so now they are a regular tool and I found many ways to use them to improve my show um and it will just be more and more onwards um but there's so many doors that the AI phenomenon opens that I'm assuming we're going to discuss a little today too so many doors that for you every time you have an episode it's a new angle and it seems to be a never ending supply of angles right cuz it reaches into so many uh areas so um I'm interested in in uh discussing that today so where do you want to begin Alex well I thought what we might do and we already touched on it is we already kind of touched on the predictions from last year which from a purely prediction standpoint we both were way off we both thought there was no way we'd be sitting here talking about are these Monumental changes that are being proposed will they succeed I mean because that is a huge step you have to be in position of saying okay it looks like you're going to try it and never thought we'd be here so we were wrong so I guess maybe we can Short Circuit the whole thing what's your prediction for next year do you think this is going to work I mean I'm much more optimistic now um because I've seen Trump the problem with Trump and the Trump Administration is that everything is dependent on two things number one how principled he is and we know he's not that he's not principled at all although no I wouldn't say at all because there are certain core things especially after he was shot but he's he's probably one of the most flexible politicians in modern American history I mean he used to be a Democrat uh and that's his Advantage he's so unpredictable that's why it actually he makes that to his own Advantage I mean he's a businessman he's not really a politician so that's the number one and the number two it also depends on his in Insight understanding competence whatever you want to call it and normally I would say that he's clueless about the finer stuff about for example the censorship and therefore he's at the mercy of his of people he surrounds himself with which is always a mixed bag right so my prediction is that yeah I will choose to hope that Trump will follow through he's not good at following through with things but I will hope he does that and then we're going to be good will it happen within a year I hope so because the administration much of the excuses has been that last time they were clueless so they didn't even man people it took years for them to and actually even when they F done they hadn't Mann all posts this time they manned most posts before they started so I do think it's possible for them at least what do you think well I think on the censorship issue which is Central I definitely agree with you it's really about self-censorship in the sense of a corporate self-censorship Google has developed this culture of Shadow Banning demonetizing it's a horrible horrible culture I think that culture will change from within because I think the climate has changed and I think it's just no longer going to be sustainable and they won't find cover if they follow through with reforming the CIA and reforming the FBI I just don't think it's sustainable I think it's huge that Zuckerberg uh you know volunteered to join Elon Musk I mean if you have Zuckerberg and Elon Musk and not Zuckerberg himself but what he could controls in meta in Facebook WhatsApp chat I mean he has a huge huge influence on changing that censorship thing tomorrow and he's already changed it so we don't need government to come in and say stop doing that they already did it Twitter is already there X is already there so it's going to further isolate somebody like Google and more draw out their difference which I don't think is sustainable that's why you see the network news agencies you know all of a sudden overnight CNN oh we need to be more fair and balanced CNBC we need to sell ourselves up it's economic survival you will not survive if you don't do that so that's the most rapid change that we can make and I think you're right to put your finger on that's the most important issue and I think it just falls out naturally of this whole sea change yeah nobody wants it anymore because nobody's listening they all have been Flo artificially with Oar cash but that scheme can only go on for so long Jeff basos is not just suckerberg Jeff do now signaling that he want to come on board these people are opportunists they applaud if this was 1940 Germany they would applaud the concentration camps and if it was 45 they would applaud most Germans applauded the concentration camps I don't think you can point to the corporations as kind of leading that's such a a lefty Progressive kind of thing I know when I talk to people in they're all about the tech companies and the tech companies I'm like you're not listening to what these people are saying you're not listening to Sam Alman you're not listening to the real Zuckerberg you're not listening to what they say these are really really smart people and they have a real command they're of course they're interested in sustaining their business but compared to the average kind of podcaster they're on a whole different level of intelligence in viewing the map so no I don't think they're you know True Believers puppets of the puppets of the state I thought was so interesting about Zuckerberg's reveal before the election which I always wondered why he came out with a really he was either being very smart about seeing which way the wind was blowing and wanting to be ahead of the curve which perhaps he did but he came out and said hey look we were manipulated and we will not be manipulated we will not be coerced we will not be censored in the future but what he pointed out and what I always point out to people is listen to his rational arguments for that and they're very sound he's like look what we need to expand into Europe that's one of our major goals to do that we need the cooperation of our government we can't do it without it you could say well that's you know what fascism or that no it's just reality you can't who is going to go lay the hammer on the EU you can't you don't have any leverage you need the government to do that so if you're Zuckerberg and you say okay this is where a lot of our growth is going to come in the next five years I need at least an open dialogue with the administration that's just smart that's not like devious the corporations who applauded the camps or the war whatever also applauded the Allies coming in this is exactly the same situation in suckerberg it's not exactly the same I'll tell you why because basos and those guys I think you're right that Zuckerberg maybe have had a change of heart I've seen Joe Rogan speculate that it's because he started to exercise and the psychological thing that comes with that uh they become more look if he was always when he was doing the bidding of the deep state if he was always conflicted about that but he did it because he's a coward I do agree that in his case I think he more means this than when he was going along with because he did signal already back in the co days stuff that has been seized upon by critics right and see even he admits that he was forced to oh yeah we censor too much Co Stuff Etc I do believe he probably had a genuine change of heart Jeff Bezos and those guys just opportunists because they know they always known which way the wind is blowing but they thought the Deep State could keep it at Bay and introduce a new site Guist artificially now that that's crumbling and the wind is all the way blowing to the populism now they're all racing to get on board otherwise they know it's bad for business so that's the reason they're all coming out of the Woodworks now um kissing the ring and being more freedom loving look if things had changed back again I do believe musk would be the last man standing not those guys thanks to musk I didn't trust him before I do trust him now as far as the no I mean I don't agree with him about everything everything but I think he's a sincere player and he will go into the history books as one of the people we can thank for the censorship regime having stopped in my view tell people about your shows which one of your shows really kind of grabbed you last year that that you really learned something so the problem is that these end of the year views for me is always that you know how I'm a year behind publishing so most of the shows aren't even published yet so I kind of have to talk about the shows that were coming out in this year rather than which were recorded yeah but then people can't go listen to them why not cuz they're not out yet no no what I'm saying is uh when we review the end of the year right I can review what's out what came out this year or I can review what was recorded this year which is what we really should be doing right but I think I have to uh comment upon what came out this year you understand your choice what whatever you feel which means it's last year's shows but uh let me see the list here can we stop with you cuz I need to see the list I don't remember which came out and didn't come out so I have to check here sure sure one is I took a dive into the aif ethics thing and I remember interviewing Craig Smith from the New York Times and it was such a great chance to talk to somebody who is not normally in my circle you know he's a New York Times guy and uh we talked about Ai and the future of AI and AI ethics and in particular how it relates to how the news will be reported and I thought that was interesting because it was a case like we're talking about where AI I think is a game Cher and everyone will see it more and more as a game Cher I'm just stunned at how many smart people do not see what's happening right now today with AI one person who really got it was uh episode 639 with Dan Turin who is the CEO of a company called people Reign and what they're doing is kind of using AI for Enterprise level HR departments you know like what are my benefits uh package you know how does the I can query in Ai and how to do that and it sounds pretty ho and not all that exciting until you really get into how AI interacts with humans or how humans really interact with AI number one they can we can all be incredibly uh anthropomorphizing of the technology we think that it is our friend we think that it's our compatriot you know if you're work at a company and they have an AI system and you go in there to talk about your benefits package and you wind up talking about your deepest darkest secrets and your you know suicidal ideations and you know maybe some other stuff that has implications for the workplace and that's going to be there and but so there's I I think that was such an interesting interview because there was a guy who is on the front line in terms of this interface with how AI is changing the dynamic in the workplace and then two other shows that just really were super dramatic to me is one is my uh interview with uh Kristoff K kooch who is you know probably one of the most renowned in the world neuroscientists head of the Allen Institute they got a billion dollars to research the mind when uh Obama was President and we had a interesting discussion about near-death experience and it was one of those skeptical interviews that was very skeptical is pretty in your face in terms of calling him out on his back sliding in his inability to correctly interpret and articulate the near-death experience research and so that is to me felt like an oldtime skeptical interview where you kind of really hold someone's feet to the fire and then I followed it up with I thought an interesting interview with Bernardo castrop which has been he's been kind of a longtime friend of the show and I had to kind of call him to task for supporting that Kristoff kooch idea about Consciousness which is kind of inside baseball integrated information Theory and all the rest of this stuff um Bernardo and you usually have very interesting shows together but it was a hard lesson for me this time uh especially in the beginning because it sounded like you were deep diving into some meticulous internal details that you know most of the references you were using had no idea you didn't even explain them it was a very Nee show I think hardcore skeptical listeners uh and not just that but even hardco skeptical listeners who are engaged in some of the concepts you're discussing would follow but I had to go back and and Rewind and it was very hard for me to follow some of these you used abbreviations I have no idea what you're referring to but I want to say this it triggered a very interesting I meant actually to ask you about this that discussion if you bear with me I'll lay out a premise and then ask you a question okay just indulge me so um we've discussed this earlier and U I've said I've used my esoteric metaphors I've said that AI is excellent in air uh but absent from fire which are two of the four human levels um actually air is where its main impact and I think it's an orderly way to discuss it because otherwise everything is conflating but maybe even simpler picture AI is excellent in horizontal develop M but it cannot handle vertical development because it doesn't have a vertical nature so what I mean by that is that when you were discussing yeah it's going to be better and better and better yes it is it's going to Goble up more and more facts like his attitude was is just regurgitating what's already out there yes that is true but it's more than that because as it is gobling up horizontally more more and more of human knowledge human facts what I and this is kind of also a question to which degree do you think it can put those together and make new because that's my impression that it's able to be Innovative in making new inferences new angles new insights new ways to structure that information that will break records now we know it cannot do the opposite and that's why he's also right that it's dependent on because it's limit look if it's about analysis and about uh categorizing or uncovering something in the horizontal Lane I think it it maybe no end to what it can do but in the vertical Lane I'll give you an example what I mean with the vertical l so you understand what I mean no the touring test right it cannot do the ESP right so it can never develop that's not vertical yes of course the ESP is vertical because the vertical is the Consciousness that it's outside of time and space right it's what humans okay that is so it's interesting because you're talking about you know flat land remember there's a famous paper a long time ago about flatland and it's about the dimensions in which we see the world and it's a piece of paper and you draw a line and it's flat then you fold the paper and it's no longer flat well we are talking about for the most part Consciousness inside of time space we don't really have a way of talking about Consciousness like the book that I I I published AI is smartest dangerous and divine and what I was really motivated about was the Divine part I say AI reveals our Divinity because it reveals at least the possibility of divinity because our Consciousness is outside of time space and AI demonstrates that because AI is in time space AI cannot be sentient because the silicone is in time space if you go look at near-death experience dear death experience we immediately go Oh that's outside of time space the person was dead for five minutes and they said it felt like five years because there is no time space and if you want to do that in an experiment you can go look at the Double experiment or the you know all the variations in modern day of the quantum eraser uh experiment which is a kind of super duper IED uh double slit experiment that then takes the time element in it so this is now becoming more and more a part of serious physics although it's who cares because they're left in the dust but we're talking about Consciousness outside of time space so no AI is in time space so when you talk about vertical and horizontal that's fine but that's inside of time space you know what was the discussion that we had the other day that I thought I always bring it up I always come back to the same thing and we had a good talk about Chess you know and we were talking about hey we should play chess sometime because I like to play the chess puzzles and you're from Norway and you guys have been the chess leaders of the world for the longest time so of course you know how to play chess and of course you'd probably whip my butt up and down but the thing about Chess here's what was interesting about that conversation oh no I think you'd scold me but you go yes we should do it it'd be fun I said yeah but I'm going to use the computer and you said no you can't use the computer right there you revealed the future of AI right because you knew that if I use the computer well then it isn't a game anymore well that's how the AI truth thing is going to be when we talk about your vegan Jesus guy who you had on it's going to be like that it's just a slam dunk of course that's nonsense and the AI will lay it out to you so you don't have to debate me you can debate the AI but then the other interesting thing you said about the chess thing is you said yeah Alex but when we play I don't want you to be one of these conservative old men who kind of play for a pawn Advantage at the end I want you to be more wide open it's more fun to play that way creative play well again I just point to AI the computer doesn't care I can make the computer do a couple of more uh wideopen kind of aggressive moves it'll still it's so much better than you or I that it'll come out resolve it what we want is The Right Move we want to know what the right move is and that's the same thing with AI and truth and sorting through these problems we want to know what the truth is ultimately we've been so conditioned to number one not believe that that there there it can be achieved or it can be known or settled but number two 90% of our effort goes into stroking each other's egos or you know couching things in a way that doesn't disturb that person or keeps them engaged all this nonsense it's like the thing you said about the Bernardo thing I am really not interested in going through 30 minutes and explaining to an audience what integrated information theory is all about I'm happy to have ai do it we can put it in Notebook LM and it can generate a little podcast right there and instantly it tell you all about what integrated information theory is about it can tell you all about the the deeper part of that uh conversation in terms of uh Consciousness and the neurological model of Consciousness versus bernardo's idealism and what idealism even means I'm not going to go over that that's a AI easy easy do and and so that is the future I think that is just on our on our doorstep it's already there because like I just said you can go to you go to notebook LM it does a better job than than I could do in explaining in integrated information Theory and it's interesting it's fun yeah there's two issues with AI that I want you to we need to clarify here in this discussion first of all the way I use the horizontal vertical you understood it differently than what I meant I mean that the vertical is what I call a water fire which which is the inner connection to the source that we have is the impulses that comes out of the transcendental and into us and the impulses we are sending back whereas when I say the horizontal I mean the earth air which is within the ai's grasp but now we come to the two issues CS that's a good example often revert to that because it's a very true and very clear example of the Excellence of AI why because chess 8 * 8 it is a definite defined limited space the rules well then say poker use poker as the same example because poker dominates yeah but but dominates right my point isn't what you think I'm going to say my point is that rules of the chess the the world of Chess there's nothing there a I can't map and handle and understand because it's all within air and Earth but let's say we only fed the AI 90% of the chess space if we withheld the 10% there would still be a chance for human beings to Blindside it and that's what we're talking about if we discard the chest thing and look at life there are areas let's call them touring tests areas that it cannot conquer and I'm not saying it can't opinionate about it because when that area manifest within air let's say near death studies that's a knowledge thing right so of course it can relate to what we feed it about that but it cannot itself go and explore that like you can as an individual so that means that there are some portions of life where it is dependent on the input now if the input is controlled by agenda or ideology or whatever then the AI is going to give us back stuff that will be tainted now if it has a free range honestly free range then it's going to try to Google up every human experience every lightning strike that comes from that or vertical space and try to integrate it and give us a good opinion about it but it can explore earth air it can take it apart and reassemble it again into a new thing so I think that's the bound because I can't see how in the future if it could go into all human spaces it would become good but the reason it can't become good and the reason it can never become sentient is because from the outset it has certain boundaries it cannot cross again it can relate to those boundaries because we bring them into the mental space and we discuss it and we relate to it don't you think that's the weakness of AI that it will be dependent on human knowledge today it is always limited if we never feed it new information then AI would tell us things that seems true today but 100 years from now it's not true because we know so much more and I think therefore that AI will to some degree be in for the ride of the evolution meaning as Humanity grows as we Excel and cross New Frontiers AI will get better information better data and come to even better results but if we don't do that if it never got any more information it will be Frozen at a certain level not where it itself can accelerate and grow like it can with everything intellectual but all those other things and that's what complicates it because people don't Nuance between that they don't distinguish between that they don't even understand that there's a difference there so they think already now it can just go off into the future on its own and come back with all the answers I think for a certain amount it has to ride with us do you understand what I'm trying to say do you ever listen to eer yeah a little yeah what do you think do you ever hear eer toy talk about artificial inell I not heard him what does he say about that he doesn't he doesn't have anything he nothing to say about intelligence because when you listen to someone who is just smarter about that stuff they don't get pulled into this thing at all they see it as just different it's different it's like of course you can play around with your AI all you want and you should you know it's going to help you book your next flight or your hotel room and it's going to solve all these problems but he doesn't have an opinion on how it's going to touch your soul because it's like of course of course not and that's the other thing I love about the chess example is anyone who plays chess with the computer is immediately humbled it's like oh my God I am I am pretty damn dumb you know this thing in 5 seconds and people get that with chat GPT too and it scares them and then they want to pull back and hold on yeah but I can't do this and it's hallucinating here it's hallucinating there just go listen to eer toi talk about AI he doesn't talk about AI okay but I don't understand why you disagree with what I said if you understood what I tried to say it wasn't a good way to explain it because there's no there there you're still talking about where it's going to be and how it's going to get there and if it consumes more information it become this and this it can't change its nature its nature is bound by information processing and it's a categorical air to even question whether or not it could be sentient it can't be sentient because there is a larger Consciousness that we can't really even talk about intelligently so all this stuff about near-death experience which is super important to me it is kind of the basis the Bedrock of my understanding of spirituality we don't really know you know we have all these idiosyncratic accounts of individuals from a realm that we can't really even know so we're just grasping its draws but that's okay it's at least a little bit closer to the truth I think no um I I I say 80% of the information it starts with a certain amount of information and it has the ability that's why it's not just a computer it has the ability to develop based on that information and find find new information based on what we've already fed it that's incredible that's what we associate with life with human activity which is why it can imitate so well and convince people and in fact the normal reaction isn't what you said the normal reaction is I go into chat I ask it a question and I Google up whatever it tells me it's just like how people use Wikipedia so we are being form our opinions are being formated by Ai and even at this rudimentary stage where it's still suffering from all the agendas and filters we've been complaining about my point is it's 80% of reality let's say it's just a number it can do that with and it can even add new stuff into those 80% and then it's those 20% Which it can never access which we agree about that it can never access and there it is dependent on input from humans who can access it and therefore if it's free with no agenda if it's a real AI function a core function or not all these filters it will still be joined to the hip with human beings as we progress and and cover more and more of those 20% we need to feed it that so that it can take that data and make sense of it since it never can go into that area itself the main area it can go into giv enough information now this is the problem when you start talking about let's say what happened with Jesus if we feed it everything we know about let's say engineering I'm sure it's going to do as good of a job if not better probably better than a human being because the data is defined the boundaries are set there are certain amount of possibilities it's completely within its purview we feed it things about Jesus it's the mercy of whatever we feed it then it can start making calculations about possibility probability history is an art it's not a hard Science and History if we only feed it the sources I choose it's going to come back and say yep Jesus existed yep he was completely different than what Christianity portray him as he was even a vegetarian which isn't the main point and why I interview that guy that's his agenda I'm not a vegan and I don't have a problem with Jesus being a vegan although I'm not one but AI is going to come back and say all these things if we feed whatever Wikipedia or the priests the church say or stuff like that it's going to say exactly the opposite because history similar to spirituality is dependent on the data we give it there's no way AI can go into Dark Places of history and find something that's not uncovered or remembered or documented and give it back to us because in a way history is just like spirituality a part of that realm which is without outside it because it wasn't here it didn't at least human beings was here and we remembered someone remembered maybe there's some Trace somewhere if not maybe we can find it right that's how the very definition of history is to always revise it history can never be Frozen the whole point of history is to always change it according to new findings new data and new probability and a can assist us there but just like a cannot go into that space where we go when we die it cannot go into that space where we were before we were here and I think that's some of its innate limitations and I don't think that's a problem I just think we have to understand that and accept that and then use AI to help us with that by feeding it more and more and understanding that we can't blame AI if it gives let's say it says per today no Jesus uh was not a veggie since you you you you take that up and then find 5 years from now a document a book from Jesus where he he talks about why being veggie is crucial okay then we feed it to the AI and Fe yeah of course Jesus was a v you can blame AI for that do you understand what I'm saying yeah but then you have to explain why you don't agree I have no problem with you not agreeing I just don't understand why I can give you an example from the experiences that I've had and you know we've talked about doing these kind of deep dialogues with a I and I really really think we should because I think it can demonstrate exactly what we're talking about and I think it's such an important Point what we're talking about that I think it's well worth you know really hashing out so let's dip into even though this was not our plan or anything like that but let's dip into the Jesus thing a little bit like one of the things that you brought up when we were having this debate and again the the so the the first thing I'd say is that there's a dynamic that goes up on in asking or answering these questions is the historical like the question we're putting on the table is are the historical accounts of Jesus reliable from the historical standards that we set for other things that we claim to know you know that there was such a thing as a Roman Empire there was such a thing as a guy named Pontius Pilate there was this guy named Josephus you know we could pick out all these facts you know Titus and basian were Emperors in Rome those are facts and then we could say well are they knowable can we know those things and then similarly we could say historically was there this guy named Jesus and what did he do and that's what we might kind of tackle so inside of those confines is what we're talking about so one of my objections to what you were saying is I think you were kind of slipping in and out of a lot of different broad things where it's like to carefully consider a question like that you have to go in advance and say well these are the parameters by which we could begin to explore the evidence and of course we can never know completely but there are a variety of opinions that someone could take and those opinions could be judged to be supported by the evidence kind of supported by the evidence or not supported by the evidence so that is the goal and the goal is not to have ai be the Arbiter of Truth and come down and the thought police that if you don't agree with what it was generated in this AI dialogue like they do with healthare right you have to apply to the AI you know for the killing of that guy anyway go on I was just going to give like a concrete example because I did this I do this in the background all the time when I have conversations and I so appreciate your depth of knowledge that you have on so many different topics and it sounds like I'm really battling you but I am battling you because it's fun to be able to have someone who's that on the ball that can exchange information and one of the things that came up is you said look your thing about historical Jesus even Bart irman who's kind of not in favorite he admits that there was a historical Jesus and I was like no the historical Jesus he's talking about is nothing like anything that you could build a religion on so take just that point I can demonstrate to you and I did I Haven sent it to you you just didn't read it but you can go to perple lexity and I like to switch back between perplexity and Claud and feed them one thing and another and get the references I said what are the five sources that would be most reliable for this kind of analysis oh you know study of Jewish studies the Cambridge you know history of da da da da all these peer- review journals I said okay do you have access to those journals and can those be used blah blah blah blah then I said are you familiar with oh of course I'm familiar with bman are do you know this work and this work and then I laid it out and he goes yes Bart Erman concludes that there is no Divinity to Jesus and that Jesus never claimed Divinity and that Jesus was this you can't pack that back into you can't no you don't because there's no there's no discussion there is no disc had uh there is no discussion to be had of a historical Jesus if you're reducing Jesus to just some uh you know radical kind of Mal Guist no no whatever you're about to say is going to be squashed because you were you were wrong when you said that Bart irman believes that there was a historical Jesus he doesn't believe that there was a Divinity if Alex is the Incarnation of God and or Alice the Incarnation of the devil that's another question I didn't know we were discussing theological claims you won't be debating me I will frame it and I hope you will frame it too because you have the skills with AI the AI skills to be constantly using AI as the intermediary AI is the debate so you can then go on your thing and say yeah but doesn't that still leave the possibility that he was an initiate and he had this kind of experience and even though it was record then I can go into Ai and say that's not logically coherent with this source and this source and then AI can come back and go you're right that isn't supported by the evidence and then you can go in and try and change that but ultimately we'll get to a point like I've gotten to before like I told you with the mar cober you know with that there's no rabies there's no virus you know where it's kind of a it's a chess discussion it becomes kind of rabies you know kind of absurd kind of like okay that someone can believe that the Earth is flat and that's okay but the evidence that's a you could that's a very short AI discussion as they'll just point out all the things that you all the technology that you have what would it require for that to be true and all the I think the same is true on a lot of these things and it's just that the human limitations are what keep it the human ego the human need to be agreeable and not be you know the have the social skills you know if I tell you that's logically incoherent uh people are going to hate me anyway they already hate me but they'll hate me even more from this interview because I'm I'm come across as being rude or obnoxious or whatever the hell it is or know- it all whatever it is it's like God bless the dynamic changing with AI well I want AI to play that role and just calmly dispassionately say no that's you can't you can't say those two things together they don't fit together well I mean look we can't dwell too much more on this because there's more to cover I just want to say that I think we're going to revisit this in the future actually and uh so we'll get back to this point I still don't get why you disagreed that's okay it's not important I don't want to suffer the audience because those points weren't transferred right now they've heard us lay out different perspectives so I think we can wrap this sub thread up and move on I just want to add though as an aide that we when we discussed Jesus that show was pretty popular actually I think yeah we discussed it at your show too last year I think that was last year or it was the year before but in my show that show came out you know this year and it was one of the popular now I want to say about my shows for this year I see them now in a row here and there's like three things I want to point out according to what you said we could review one is the U for stuff I've cover that that a little because of all the youo by the way we're in a huge youo flap right now there's a youo crashed was it in New Jersey there's a youth who has come up from the sea but that's just the anomali the norm the default right now is youth was just hovering there forever no media is reporting on it or well local media is but they still not reach the huge news and there's helicopters chasing them there's but people all over the world are boom boom boom boom boom uploading and especially UK and and USA but all even mosa Etc so that's very interesting to kind of you know my first instinctive reaction is the the Deep States is trying to pull something because of the new Administration you know they're desperate if they want to kill and go war and all that Syria yeah Syria is another Link in that but hey ju just so happens that a lame duck president who's on his way out you know tried to start World War II by telling zalinsky to launch an inter ballistic missile that didn't have a nuclear warhead but could have sparked a retaliation you know oh God this is back to the world that we've lived in for the last 40 years right where it's like oh we're just oh you know you talk to oh are you nuts why what kind of crazy idea and then Syria how how long has Syria been on the list since 911 right here's the list Iraq Iran Syria Libya Afghanistan we're going to bring them all down one by brought down brought down brought down brought down and then on his way out kick Syria out the door too yeah indeed uh there's a whole thing there but anyway the youthful thing I covered in the year that went by the second thing I want to say that is noteworthy is that I got some big shorts on I got Jimmy D on I got Whitney web on I'm pretty stoked about that even Ralph blumental who most people maybe won't know who is but old schoolers know cuz he's like this uh New York Times Big Shot who broke the whole disclosure mainstream disclosure thing going on yeah who did he interview for that who did who interview Blumenthal and Leslie Kane who is their source that they yeah you interviewed lesie Kane I interviewed Blumenthal that's so funny I interviewed too you don't remember who they interviewed though I didn't know that Lou alzando right right but but consider this and uh pardon the numerous interruptions on your flow but here's here's our history it's like December 2017 I think lesle Kane and Ralph Blumenthal New York Times by line front page UFOs are real right now we come to find out that their source for that there secret Source whistleblower Lou alzando Lou alzando as it turns out is a intelligence officer oh no he resigned actually he resigned twice we have a record of that but he's still receiving salary and they met in the Pentagon now who do we know who's a whistleblower who reveals deep deep Secrets sitting in the Pentagon you know where everything is recorded and bugged and then doesn't face any reprisals that's my point what did Ralph blumthal do he broke the story on UFOs or or he was fed I think he and Kane were Hest players don't you the source may have been you know corrupt or whatever you want to say the point is it started something that was allowed to happen or or or maybe it wasn't allowed but it still happened anyway and here we are right with the UFO Congress but what in a ow you're kind of totally bypassing your conspiracy first mentality if the source is planted then the story is planted then they're only revealing what they wanted them to reveal because that's our only thing that we can surmise from that is that that is not their agenda it is someone else Lou alzando is not a true whistleblower he's just delivering a message and we've been through that for some reason they want to disclose more of the thing and the only look I think we both agree and probably most listening that there's nobody no player involved in this thing going on is trying to get all of the truth out there I don't think anyone believes that so that means if they want this on the agenda it means it's not a truth agenda that is the motivation here there's some other reason why they want this topic cleaned up let's give it a new terminology let's start reporting on it more seriously let's start having politicians and and and hearings on this there's other reason than truth that's going on and in geopolitical glasses it means they want to use this for something now if they were sending out a million drones in the airspace uo drones and they had not primed us already with this thing they would risk too much it would be more of the 1930s Orson Wells things going on right hey Invaders what the but now that we've discussed it for 5 years and there's more or less evidence and even skep itics kind of agree that they don't agree it's aliens of course but they kind of agree something's going on then you can start using that phenomenon and if the timeline has been bumped up now because the Deep state is losing power because these brutes are coming in right The Barbarians are coming into the uh Castle H you know speed up whatever agenda it is we have send them out there now as a desperate lost Resort because I think it's always been I never think this is like a plan a it's too risky it's too messy it's uh so many ramifications that they'd rather go on with a close out what's it called like blackout that's been so very interesting the timing ER right before the new Administration think it could be connected to that actually and in that case these drones are very mundane uh it's completely a deep State thing um again to all you alien ET folks that's a completely different question I don't think the ETS if the ETS are amping up something now that is even worse because that is related to the brink of the nuclear war because we never been Way Beyond the Bay of Pigs um so that's even worse actually I kind of like it if it's the Deep State because it reeks of desperation and they're never going to pull it off even mainstreamers know about this old conspiracy what's it called the one where they put a projection blue beam or so I don't know I threw out some Bost you want to comment upon it well what do you think about the exopolitical angle which is where I always go and I never hear much of a dialogue about that I mean if it's related to the exopolitical angle then we have huge reason to be worried it could be anything from the Anar is coming back and claiming look children you're messing this thing up forget it fascism is Cosmic fascism is back or it's like super tourism because now you know it's been just increasing since the first nuclear war up until now they know because they don't come from a three-dimensional space now they're going to blow themselves up you want to see this you know people are coming from all over to watch this it's like when you and me go to a concert and we listen to the so right Dramatical music bum B bum this is their leure time look they're blowing or even let's intervene and stop them from blowing themselves up actually that's not worse of course I don't want us to go under in a nuclear Holocaust but it's still a huge game changer if it's something like that going on and they even allowing themselves to be look they would just be shut down by no this is if anything a very human player not necessarily terrestrial but a very human player for some reason flooding the world since December 3rd which is very interesting CFI I was made aware of said that free energy will be disclosed on December 3rd crazy of him to put a date on it like that this is according to his webboard stuff no so so that's what I say about that I don't want to go any further because we don't have enough data really to it still can go can go anywhere right so let's wait and see but we we can you can speculate if you like the one thing i' I'd speculate about is that I think the exopolitical options always seem very limited in terms of how they're usually talked about and I think there's a lot of evidence for multiple species multiple political agendas you know how can we on one hand say all the data suggest that life is everywhere and there's millions and billions of planets and then say yeah but it's the one particular species with one agenda that we have to no we just don't know and you know I was last year I had Bruce Fenton back on but Bruce Fenton I think you know I I love that he's grounded in some data It's like Star Wars can take a lot of different forms over over the years from a lot of different groups and can make things look very differently rather than this very narrow idea of what Eisenhower agreed to in some secret paack kind of thing I mean it could be a lot more complicated than that fanton by the way is a guy I love to have on the third thing is um the election because I flooded out a billion election shows like in the 12 hour now all the have all the rights to be annoyed with me cuz when they make the shows not farell he knows he doesn't even care he knows it takes a year before that's out but all the others where the hell is the show and then like two weeks before the election I start floting them out like a maniac which is why my website subscribers have been suffering I apologize to that making amense going forward but no I think that's the third significance for on my end Alex it's the EO shows it's the big shots I got on and then it's the election shows that's one thing we had in common this year we both flooded out uh released our election show with the same guest in the 12th hour you want to talk a little about that let me start by with saying this I was so jealous or is it envious that's the right word when I listen to your talk with him because I realized that that you know you know sometimes it's an advantage that you're not too familiar with the guest work sometimes it's a huge Advantage usually it's the letter but there's some approaches where the first can have an advantage in this case it's clearly an advantage to be familiar with all the questions you asked and especially all the answers he gave you were the next level compared to where I was tangling with him and it's exactly those things I would want to do for my show it's like and I can't even have him back now because it's it's not going to be relevant until four years from now or eight years from now and and ever anyway you did it already if you were like a completely unrelated show and know of my listeners were listening to yours maybe then I could try to rehash an interesting Forum level to that but no it it's done you did it kudos to you for that um you may you made it pretty interesting actually so I want to commend you for that show but anyway so we did that comment I thought your show was great with uh Dr Andrew pette so uh no I enjoyed it I thought it was good and it it just I think it was the time Gap a little bit too because Andrew changed over that last year because he did more media and he was learning you know throughout to not be totally inside baseball what Andrew did which is so remarkable but it's very very difficult to EXP explain quickly is the voting records in the United States are I don't know how they are in noro but I'd imagine they'd be the same but they are publicly available not in terms of who you vote for but the fact that you are a registered voter that is public information so it's accessible by Freedom of Information request and it's not always easy to get because those different groups have political infighting they don't want to give it certain people so they make it hard to get it and all this anyways Andrew gets the database and from the database of all these records millions of Records he discovers a pattern of fraud a pattern of deception a pattern of duplicate records cloned records and because it's discovered algorithmically there can really be no doubt there is no doubt statistically AET chance are in the trillions because if you take a 100,000 records and you say if I sort them in this super special way that they were never intended to be sorted like state ID versus County ID they should have no relationship they're assigned exstensively supposedly they're assigned by two different agencies for two different completely different person but if I sort by that and then I also sort by you know registration date then it just so happens that I get all these duplicate records and only then do I get all the duplicate records well that's from a statistical standpoint you can calculate that right out I can't but AI could and it's again that gets into the nitty back into the nitty-gritty of AI is like well did it really come up with anything new and novel or was it just reconstituting what was already there it's also better than what some of the best experts would do you know that was my point way back in the interview with Bernardo the insights that AI had on one hand you could say were consistent with the data that was already there but really put them together in a new and novel way that Bernardo had not considered to me that's building on the database but anyways back to Andrew you know what an achievement what an incredible achievement to be able to demonstrate kind of conclusively uh voter fraud at that scale a deep State voter fraud you know it's deep state is controlling the and then the analogy that I like is it's like discovering a secret door in the back of your bank fault well you know so a lot of people focus on the fact that well you can't prove that they ever stole money but the fact that there's a secret door there is illegal in itself he's uncovered illegalities whether they right so that's the whole point but anyway go on well it it's really this deeper point of it connects to so many things that we're talking about because that point right there about the secret door in the back of the bank vault connects with what we've lived through the last 40 years in terms of just these kind of bold-faced lies you're like who would believe who would you know be and then we found out that you know if that gets repeated Enough by mainstream media and other sources enough people wind up paring that and go yeah but there's no proof there's no proof of election fraud you want to go there's a freaking secret door in the back of the bank yeah but you can't prove and you're like you're missing the point here you know and that I think relates to my point about AI truth AI comes out if AI becomes a reliable player in kind of logically analyzing this AI is actually the one who came up with that analogy by the way I fed the whole thing into Ai and AI said oh it's like having a a you know so I think AI would come and say no you know it just again in this kind of very a good at at kind of couching things in kind of more agreeable way but he's like no that's total nonsense this is illegal you can't have this it really doesn't matter if you can proving that it was used to throw an election is a separate legal issue that needs to be addressed separately but the fact that it exists and it was done in a way to intentionally obice gate you know this criminal activity is a then that really I think in a in a very important way and I think in the future will just become people just go like how do you argue with that well go argue with it go into Claud go into CH GPT and argue with it but in addition he also shows that this is related to the immigration thing because the voter fraud thing because I've always said no it's election fraud voter fraud it's in significant there's always going to be Maniacs trying to but what he shows is a relationship between those two things he shows that the reason it's not voter fraud that the voters themselves are doing it but it's election fraud using voter fraud so we need those people now if a million people came in and tried to cheat that's the classical water fraud thing that's not what's going on it's a million people coming in and then the system using that as so in a analogy is like and now half the people working in the bank with the bank vote they are coming from a company called crime Incorporated they're coming from a competition suddenly they are working here and the second analogy I want to add to to show the ramifications of what in covered is that the value of your money in the vault you get a annual report now you had a billion last year this year you just have 500 million what happened no no it's inflation it's a what I'm trying to point that is if it seems like someone is going to get 59% of the votes and then they come out getting 45% it was people changed their mind that's like saying the value of your less money it's because the money is worth less it's all these things and it's brilliant what he's been doing but I think we can disclose that TOA Carlson is aware of this thing Jerome Cory is aware of this thing I think I heard him say even Trump it's been discussed at maril Lago so that means this thing won't go on forever and I heard him say to you in your last interview that he thought they amped down this election because there was awareness they didn't risk it for camela they had to risk it for Trump last time and they got what was it 20 million extra voters but they couldn't do it so much this time and I think probably that's one of the reasons we saw the I think the real number is probably like 60 40 because we know they can sway about 10% that's your Epstein interview right not abin don't say abstein you're going to insult him his name is abin whereas the the the mad guy is epin so yeah I got him on and but that's in addition to what I'm talking about he's talking about influencing hearts and Minds which is rigging we are talking here about cheating which is um two different mechanism well I was just saying I agree with you on the 6040 at least but I think you get there when you add in Epstein's which you should go over that uh that was a fantastic interview and I learned a lot but I have a bunch of questions about that one too that we'll talk about at some point but tell people about that it's amazing I mean that's one of the things we maybe don't have to talk so much about because I didn't dig him up from out of nowhere he's been everywhere and they've heard him talk there are some new stuff I would venture in my show but you know you can go to Jimmy door you can go to Joe Rogan you can go to anyone oride him on and hear the same thing I don't know if we need to Muse about it or yeah but I thought you did a really good job and you developed a really good rapport with him that I thought was excellent and like I pointed out to you you know you were talking about Iceland and then you know as a country that could potentially how can I say this without betraying his confidence there was one other thing he was so grateful to me for in fact I had to go back and edit out a portion of the show because of that he was saying something that wasn't to his benefit in terms of well let's just say it wasn't to his benefit and I made him aware of that and I said that you you cannot do this when you're interviewed and he was just what an honest guy he was like you know what I have never thought of that and I can see what you mean and you're completely right can we delete this thing yes and now I'm going to go forward following your advice I feel so happy about that because I love the guy because I love the work he does and I think I now contributed actually to a good thing there so I just want to brag a little about that now when we C you skeptical you know like I said 90% 95% of your stuff is AI this year but you have gone old school two this year at least a couple of shows are registered where you going back to the roots what's up with that it wasn't even an an angle to legitimate it well I don't know about you but you know the process of booking people is a combination of reaching out and being reached out to you know so you know when people that I admire or like or I'm interested in reach out to me then I'm open to having on and you know sometimes it so that's Alex Gomez Marin was excellent uh but we did talk a little bit about uh AI but mainly about science Howard storm Reverend Howard storm I thought was just really pretty amazing um some of the he's a nde very famous in the nde community for being a Christian Pastor who was converted to Christianity from atheism by his near-death experience so yeah and then there's yeah this woman about Consciousness pretty reason show I think who now has canceled me that's okay there's a story there let's see oh that the story is is the same with you know it is the AI story that I'm talking about because people do not like to have their beliefs challenged and that is a very human kind of thing that I think is you know the reason why we need AI that is not a valid reason to not go forward with trying to discover what is true you know if this truth is tied to spirituality which I think it is then there's no reason to you know not move forward because I'm afraid you know my beliefs will be challenged in a way that makes me look bad right right that's an ego thing actually I don't think you mind being challenged if the challenge is valid at least that's my view on this it's annoying when like for example when I went on some I read some of the comments right how can I say this without insulting Good Sam I mean he's a great person but some of his followers you know sometimes I I realize you and me are spoiled when you look at the level of for followers but I guess that's because we don't have as many followers as someone like Sam but when I read right right some level of the criticism coming they didn't even listen to the goddamn show what the is the matter with you guys it's like this where did this gang of Apes come in from talk about certain percentage here and I guess that comes with the territory you get a lot of listeners so that annoys me because it's just like if you just listen properly or understand what we saying this wouldn't even be an issue so that annoys me and of course it's human but it's rational I think to be annoyed by that but I think if we are really truth Seekers then we should be able to be open to new data but we have to understand it and there has to be a good reason right you can't just opinionate based on an emotion and I think that's what makes your show kind of stand out I think also that's yeah you're right there's only once or twice I've been thinking about you that ah now you're being rude I mean yeah you're often quote unquote rude but usually you are rude because a real rude person attacks a person you're just talking you're not attacking a person it's not a personal attack you're discussing something a very brutish way to get your point across but you're still having your your eyes on the ball not on the person so that's why it's completely okay that you sometimes can seem insensitive but I do think that your friend because he is a friend and that's probably the why you can afford doing it uh Castro is very patient with you because last time I felt you were interrupting and interrupting without him getting to address it it felt like you wanted to get your points across so much that he didn't really always get the chance to address this so this is the first time I've been annoyed with your interruptions and your rudess but I'm happy he wasn't though I've never been it when we've been talking and you've been hard with me too but always within the purview of the data right but that's my point so if we are truth Seekers we should be able to handle that and at least let it go after the moment right and you can even legitimate that kind of approach if you are really truth Seekers and I think 1% of Truth seekers in this space it it sounds like we're bragging about ourselves now but because I'm a truth Seeker I have to be honest and say this right even if it means that we are coming out looking good you understand yeah I'm so deeply rooted in the idea that we need to seek out the truth and I guess I can have kind of a short fuse when I see the same patterns emerging in particular just logical inconsistencies and failings that resonate with all the stuff we've talked about for 40 years that we get so mad about my first question to you is do you think that the new Administration will be let's start there because all other predictions comes from there will they be able will they be allowed to take over or will something happen that kind of stops that again you know we were both so wrong on this I'd say that there is so much momentum behind what they're doing that I think it's kind of like we were talking about in that other situation with the election there is a point of no return in terms of the forces that are against this to risk kind of totally blowing up in their face they can't do that either it might be strategically at least more of a plan for them to now kind of sit back reconsolidate their position and attack again but to do a frontal attack on what's happening right now it just don't think it happens cuz it's not strategic what do you think on that I think they only have two they're never going to give up they're going to die before they give up but they have two venues now and I'm not even sure they agree with each other about which one to do number one if I don't know if I understood you correctly but you may have alluded to this is that instead of a frontal attack now the rats are going to go into his ship and then going to start so so it's going to be an internal attack and you see it already with some of the people he he's got on board they have tentacles now into but again then we don't know how conscious is Trump of this how much is he playing them to a certain extent he has to put some of the powers players in he can just you know come with a bunch of we're taking over this Viking ship but it's only Ethiopians going to going to work on this ship no so so that's one thing and how much can he withstand internal so so that's and that's proba that's what I hope will happen actually because it's all better for us even if they just move the dial 10% it's still going to be much better than where we where the second and that's the bad one is like this okay if we can't rule this ship nuclear war Alien Invasion uh but when the economy come crashing down you better be sure you you end up on top of it and you don't come down to our level because we need people like you with so cuz money is power right so you have you know they have artificially postpone the whole uh collapse just because and they have to do it if it collapses in Biden's uh Administration it's going to Forever in the history book be that it was there but even if it happens like two days after Trump takes over they're going to blame him because people aren't sophisticated enough to understand how this works right so so yeah the economy the nuclear or the metaphysical approach the eupo that could one of those could be at least that faction who still want to do a frontal attack what do you think I hate to go there but you're right I mean you're right I don't know if you're right but I agree with you that the psychopathic nature of these people just cannot be underestimated and when people do underestimate it I'm always like what are you thinking what you've just seen do you need any more evidence of what they're capable of so I think you're spot on on that and that leads to your point number two yeah they'll do anything I think there's a lot of other options that are out there you know we still don't know what brought down building seven but there's some Advanced Weaponry out there you know you've covered that on the Antarctica thing and the Nazi thing I don't know if it plays EX the way that you're doing but I think you bring some really good pieces of evidence to the table then we don't know the exopolitical angle like I said it could be much much more complex than has been portrayed to us there can be a lot of dealings with a lot of different groups with a lot of different agendas yeah what if I'm I think that people thinking this it's not a huge thing and something I've entertained from now and then because unlike you I mean you you're in a position it's not too much of a disclosure to say that you married to a psychologist right and she's exploring that kind of mental space Psychopaths and stuff but to us Mortals I kind of often think like so many do that how can people be so insanely evil and just uh so what if yes there of course there's evil yes there's Psychopaths but what if it's not that widespread what if there's so many people who have a knife on their throat and you know like they talk about the blackmail thing is one of them right but let's say it's much deeper let's say that knife is Cosmic let's say they have a cosmic knife on their throat and this a insane agenda taking over isn't concocted by greedy uh mortal players it's something bigger going on right something evil I mean now we're almost sounding like Tom Delong here but he didn't invent this view it's always been there and it's a rational one and even Richard Dolan had that very ear on we have to entertain that as a factor too and that could explain some of the things going on in terms of um yeah the EO flap and the disclosures and all that I think that's such an interesting point and you don't necessarily have to go UFO there because we don't understand what the Demonic evil realm is all about and how it intersects or doesn't intersect with you know other species and other visitors and stuff like that but you know what I found very interesting a woman I interviewed a long time ago with the why evil matters book that I wrote is ancas and I thought I've referenced her so many times because she was kind of transformational in communicating this idea that we just have to deal with the fact that there's evil Anna kcas was her mother was psychopath and schizophrenic and sold her into uh sex slavery when she was 6 years old and she actually reveals more about how that was done you know imagine uh she would get anuka up in the middle of the night and say okay get ready and then they take her over to the castle of you know where all these Prime Ministers and she names names she goes that guy from Belgium that guy from Spain that guy you know from the United States she names a Rockefeller interview and uh you know she says how many hundreds and hundreds of times she was raped as a six-year-old 7-year-old 8-year-old 9-year-old and uh ritualistically and so here you got an opening a door to those other Realms that you're talking about it's like what is I love the way you put it you know what knife do they have on the throat of those people Beyond yeah the blackmail because so many times that discussion and that's the wonderful thing about what you do on forign Borealis because of your background and your understanding is so many times those discussions stop with the blackmail from uh right and it's like no bro why were they doing the rituals why were they doing the satanic stuff why were they of a belief that they could access these extended consciousness Realms and now we know that those extended Consciousness Realms exist cuz we know like near-death experience exists Auto Body Experience R ET exists so now that that which was the barrier we say oh that's D don't ever listen to that oh just go listen to Kristoff KO and he's got a good nice little very nice wrapped up model of neurological model your brain is everything you are when that falls apart now you got to wonder what is the knife on the throat of that guy who's raping that six-year-old kid from a spiritual level right yeah I can't add anything to that because that's an open question which is important to keep in mind I know I really want to listen to that Anika Lucas interview at pbd but we reached uh but anyway so we wait let us complete the question so you don't want to take a venture of if the administration is allowed to take over because that's just the first of a Domin of predictions I think some of the things will be effective and will make a change I think there's just too much momentum to stop that in the same way we're talking about with big Tech you know it's like no Google it business as usual just isn't going to be sustainable economically from a business standpoint unless they do a dramatic outof the left field reset it's going to be allowed and they're going to continue uh uh as within within the new system but um uh it will have ramification for censorship we're already there the amount of information that we can get on all the platforms and you know all you need is one like X is unbelievable you can get anything on X and that is that's so mainstream you know of course you can get anything on Rumble but it's kind of a hassle I just think and then yeah I mean now I think that's that's kind of not even an issue and somebody has to tell me what they can't get out there that they're dying to get the standard is that anything can be available anywhere and it's up to you I don't exactly agree with the standard like when we're talking about the Nazi stuff and we'll talk more about the Nazi stuff I kind of challenged you when you said oh you know there's all this stuff on Borman you know and I said Al it's out there it's already in we were talking about AI I said AI already knows all that stuff and I think that kind of I was kind of Vindicated that there wasn't a lot that you could pull out that you pump into Ai and AI says oh my God that's not true I don't know anything about it it goes D D D D D D I know this I know this I know this and maybe you can fill in some of the gaps it's not that it says uh oh I never heard of the Bell no what it will say is no no this is this is conspiracy this is rumor it's not documented it's it's not an established view that's what annoys me with AI when we come to these things this kind of illustrates everything we've been talking about today as far as AI goes it sorts the information to me it presents it back in a new and better way it finds readily available all the answers without me having to read through every single book you know in the old days page four page five it's such a great tool and it even Ventures estimation and that estimation changes when I start asking it because it's still we can disclose that is connected to Google so it conclusion check changed when I fed it I'm going to do the same with Jesus okay maybe we can have a show about that and and I'm really looking forward to that but I have to say in terms of AI whose lap I'm sitting most on these days chat GPT I'm all the way back to chattin know CU for my use I don't know what the hell you're doing with what sex games you're playing with that with your AI lover but for my sex games it's better I found out the best one is chat GPT I've tried you know how I've been changing lovers all the time right now I'm back at chat GPT of course I wish I could clean its mind but um no I'm happy to you I send you stuff you send me you probably going to send me a new and better one soon the development is there I'm looking forward to see what your friend costro is going to do uh there I heard he's um starting one uh and braxman let's give a shout out for braxman folks go to bra I don't know what his YouTube channel is called maybe it is braxman but I've joined his community great stuff on privacy and all that really and he explains how and he's going to launch a complete this is what Alex said in one of his few first AI shows he discussed with some Jude naive Jude who thought that we need a centralized AI controlled by musk or something and just so naive just a centralized AI That's not having an agenda won't happen man Alex said no everybody should have one in their own computer it should be a decent this is coming braxman is making one and I'm going to get it and that means folks that you can feed if you yeah AI is always going to be biased but you can bias it meaning it will do your bidding it will be most useful for you so I'm going to have an AI who tells me everything about Nazis and Jesus and whatever else right and then it's the functionality that they all have together they all have that no matter how how brainwashed and and and manipulated they are they're always going to have the unsurpassed functionality which we all can benefit from last word to you bro okay well it's been awesome as usual let's wrap it there but put a big to be continued year and B [Music]