"Elites Will Create A New Class Of Slaves" - BlackRock's Next Plans Will Shock You | Whitney Webb
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In this discussion, Whitney Webb argues that during times of crisis, public fear and emotional responses prevent rational policy debate, allowing elite institutions like BlackRock to design fiscal solutions in advance. The transcript highlights how BlackRock anticipated the 2019 repo market turmoil a month before it occurred by presenting specific policies to central bankers, suggesting they are actively shaping government responses for future downturns. Webb points out that this influence extends beyond BlackRock; former executives from Goldman Sachs have held prominent roles at the Treasury Department under both Democratic and Republican administrations, creating a revolving door where Wall Street interests dictate policy rather than serving regular Americans. Consequently, fiscal measures taken during emergencies often prioritize financial institutions over public needs, with little media scrutiny or open debate regarding who is truly steering these decisions. The conversation delves into how taxpayer money has been misused for decades to enrich multinational corporations and military-industrial complexes rather than building necessary infrastructure or addressing domestic needs. Citing research by Catherine Austin Fitts and Mark Skidmore, Webb notes an estimated $21 trillion in missing US taxpayer funds that have effectively been stolen through wasteful spending on nation-building projects like those in Afghanistan and Iraq without oversight. He further explains that the current system is overtaken by a network of organized crime and intelligence agencies fused since World War II, leading to corruption where money intended for public services benefits specific elite groups instead. This dynamic extends beyond the Treasury Department into regulatory capture across various industries, where regulators are often former industry executives who protect Wall Street interests rather than those of ordinary citizens facing economic hardship. Webb warns that these elites aim to construct a neo-feudal society or technocracy where a middle class becomes obsolete and replaced by an underclass managed by a scientific elite. Drawing on Dennis Meadows from the Club of Rome, he references the idea that future resource allocation might require either population reduction or a "scientific dictatorship" imposed by educated elites. Additionally, figures like Eric Schmidt and Henry Kissinger are cited as promoting a vision where AI creates a two-tier society: one group understands and controls advanced technology while another becomes cognitively diminished due to dependence on algorithms. This potential shift is supported by research funded by the US Air Force into using social media data mining and algorithms for mind control, suggesting that elites may feel confident manipulating public perception of reality through deepfakes and tailored information feeds to maintain their power without rebellion. When presented with a hypothetical choice between submitting to an AI algorithm that maximizes human flourishing but removes autonomy versus retaining full freedom despite the risks of self-destruction, Webb firmly chooses humanity first. He argues against outsourcing creative ability or decision-making to artificial intelligence, noting that relying on calculators has already led people to lose mental math skills, and surrendering agency now could lead to a permanent loss of critical thinking capabilities. Furthermore, he expresses skepticism about claims of AI sentience, citing the case of an ex-Google engineer who falsely claimed his chatbot was sentient; such narratives allow governments to offload responsibility onto algorithms using "Wizard of Oz" tactics where humans blame computers for unpopular policies rather than admitting human error or malice behind them. Ultimately, Webb concludes that while technology should not be eliminated entirely, surrendering agency to overhyped AI systems is dangerous and contradicts the fundamental desire of people to care for their families and maintain control over their own lives.
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when a crisis is happening, people tend
to have emotional responses and tend to
be coming from a place of fear and that
tends to
prevent people from thinking critically
or calmly or rationally about situations
or about policies. And so a lot of
you know, during COVID obviously a lot
of focus was on
COVID-19 itself on the biosecurity
situation, not just so much on the
financial situation.
But for example, if there was you know,
a major crisis going forward that would
greatly impact Americans ability to
engage in economic activity or have
their purchasing power, you know, close
to wiped out or something. I think you
would see a lot of people really beg for
any policy response. Solve this crisis
now, we need something and not really
have people think about what is the best
policy response
um
to this kind of crisis. People aren't
going to think calmly and bring
everything to the table and there isn't
it's very unlikely there will be some
sort of calm open public debate about
it. Generally what happens is that the
government says uh
people are scared and emotional. They
clamor for some sort of solution from
the government and the government offers
some sort of solution.
And you know, like with COVID-19,
BlackRock anticipated the next downturn
about a month before the repo market
started going haywire and presented to
central bankers, this is the policy
policy you should implement during the
next downturn and it's very possible
that BlackRock is working on policy
papers
you know, for central bankers or other
people in
um you know, the US government about
what policy should be implemented if you
know, this type of crisis happens or
that type of crisis happens. It seems
like they seem to be
designing the policies I guess and
they've you know, had
you know, in the Biden administration
over the past four years, you know,
they've been leading his former
BlackRock executives have been leading
his economic team bringing us to where
we are now and likely what will
influencing what will happen over the
next couple years whenever or up until
this crisis emerges. So, it seems um
you know, very likely that they'll be uh
you know, dominating uh you know, fiscal
response again and then people uh
because they're not really aware of how
this is developed or really uh you know,
there's just not a lot of media coverage
about you know, for example, the role of
BlackRock in uh the Biden administration
or in you know, on Kamala's economic
team specifically. Uh I've seen very
little coverage if any of that.
Uh recently, maybe a few blips here and
there of when those people are
appointed, but nothing uh significant
beyond that. And then of course, there
was very little scrutiny um of US COVID
fiscal response um I think as well. Um
and it's just sort of written off as uh
this is what the government had to do to
respond to the crisis in a lot of
situations, but I don't think that's
necessarily true because again, um you
know, that
uh fiscal response uh began well before
uh you know, COVID was declared a a
pandemic by the World Health
Organization preceding that by like
several months, right? So, um I don't
know.
I I think it's um uh
a complicated situation. It's
complicated to anticipate what will
exactly happen, but again, history and
tends to repeat itself in these cases
and the fact that you have BlackRock so
embedded with the Democrats specifically
and also have this historical precedent
with uh Trump when he was in office last
time, it seems very likely that
they'll be doing this again. So, I guess
my role in this is to try and generate
awareness so we can have a discussion
before that time of crisis when people
are emotional and afraid and concerned
about their money um
about whether we should be having
BlackRock uh at the helm of this when
the next crisis emerges.
I would say no.
Yeah. Okay, so let's ask the obvious
question. Who should be in charge in
that moment? Who Who do we put in charge
of fiscal policy?
In times of crisis or otherwise.
I don't necessarily have the best uh
answer to that, I guess, because I think
our current system, specifically as it
relates to, you know, the US Treasury
Department, has consistently been a
revolving door for the last several
decades with Wall Street. And like, you
know, like Goldman Sachs, for example,
has had very significant
Treasury
former Goldman Sachs executives have
held very prominent roles at the
Treasury when crises have emerged. So,
as an example, you have
one of the top guys at Goldman Sachs,
Robert Rubin,
being a key figure in the Clinton
administration's economic policy as
Treasury Secretary and help helping
engineer the repeal of Glass-Steagall,
which creates, you know, arguably the
2008 financial crisis when George W.
Bush's Secretary Treasury at the time
the crisis happens is Henry Paulson,
another former top guy from Goldman
Sachs that allegedly told members of
Congress that they didn't bail out the
banks that martial law may be declared
in the United States, for example. And
then, when the COVID fiscal response
happened, Steve Mnuchin is a former top
Goldman and Sachs executive, as well.
So, you and as far as, you know, the big
parties, Democrat and Republican, they
tend to appoint people to Treasury that
come from the these top Wall Street
banks that have a history of predatory
and arguably criminal behavior. And so,
you know, I think there needs to be a
much larger um
structural change, I guess,
to prevent that type of revolving door
policy if we're going to see any sort of
meaningful fiscal response to a crisis
that actually does take,
you know, the needs of regular Americans
into account, because historically that
is not what has happened. And the people
that come to Treasury tend to have the
best interest of Wall Street at heart
and not the best interest of regular
Americans at heart. And I think, again,
that's sort of a phenomenon that's not
exclusive to Treasury, either. You have
this type of revolving door phenomenon
in really most aspects if not all
um of the US government where you sort
of have regulatory capture
um
you know of the people supposedly
regulating those industries the the
industries themselves tend to have put
their top people at least these days you
know into those major regulatory
positions through this revolving door
phenomena. So I think we need to find a
meaningful way to stop that before we
can expect that um
you know major government fiscal
response would be designed with the
interest of regular Americans at heart
with mainstream at heart and not Wall
Street at heart.
Okay, the question becomes how do we do
that? So walk me through just so that
we're not talking abstract stuff or
really bringing it down to earth. What
are the interests of Main Street or the
average American?
Well, I think regular Americans would
like to stop having their money stolen
from them or being misused on things
where it's basically being sent to
enrich multinational corporations
particularly in the war industry
where you have a lot of you know
there's been a lot said over the past
several years decades really about the
military industrial complex and how a
lot of the wars that US empire goes to
start in other countries generates a
windfall profit
you. I'm going to stop you really fast
just because you know this stuff so well
that you'll fractal into 10 more
extremely valid issues, but I want to
start with you just said regular
Americans want to stop their money being
stolen from them. I will say I don't
think the average American realizes that
their money's being stolen. Whenever I
bring that up I feel like I'm screaming
into the void. So how exactly are
Americans dollars being stolen from
them?
Okay, I would say it's going to things
that are not actually building
necessary infrastructure or or providing
Americans needs.
So money's being taken from from them
via tax and just misspent.
Yeah, I think taxpayer money
has been has been people
taxpayer wealth and the money brought in
through taxes has been misused
and essentially stolen for a very long
time. If you look at the work of
Catherine Austin Fitts and Mark
Skidmore, for example, they um
noted that like 21 trillion dollars of
US taxpayer money essentially was stolen
and
they can't really explain what happened
to it.
So you know, that alone is very
significant. Let me ask is taxation in
and of itself theft?
Um
I mean, I I think under the current
system because you know, if if anyone's
familiar with my work and my books, for
example, I sort of argue that our
government has been overtaken by this
network of organized crime and
intelligence agencies that have
essentially fused their operations and
did so in the immediate post-World War
II era and I think financing their
operations when they're at the helm
is not good and and that the fact that
our money is is being taken from us
ostensibly to provide services to us and
if you believe in the development agenda
abroad, the rest of the world, but we
know if you look into it that that's not
actually what is happening. This money
is being used to benefit this particular
group that has taken control of our
institutions and is very corrupt. I
think in that case, yes, it's not it's
not good at all.
In an ideal system, you know,
perhaps I'd have a different opinion,
but that's not the system we have as it
is right now. So I think you know, in
this situation, we need to really look
at how our taxpayer money is being
spent, and a lot of it is spent on
um
weapons. A lot of the of it is being
sent to other countries with no, you
know, uh stipulations on how that money
is used, no oversight. Uh an insane
amount of money was spent on {quote}
{unquote} nation-building during the war
on terror in Afghanistan and and Iraq,
for example, with really nothing to show
for it. Um and arguably, and and some
people have really effectively argued
that it was really a money-laundering
operation at the end of the day. A way
to sort of take taxpayer money and then
have it,
you know, go to the hands of these
contractors and other entities, and it
ends up elsewhere with nothing to show
for it um in in these particular um
situations. And I think there's plenty
of waste and plenty of examples um also
in the US domestically, where
contractors have been given taxpayer
money to do things, and they don't
actually uh do the things that they're
supposed to do, and there's really very
little accountability for those things
when they happen uh because a lot of
people aren't really um aware or really
follow up on where their taxpayer money
um is going, and there's a lot of trust
uh that I think people have uh placed in
congressional representatives that
they're going to do that
due diligence for them, but um most
people in Congress are
multi-millionaires who are funded by
billionaires and multi-billionaires, and
tend to have the interests of those
people at heart, and not exactly uh you
know, the regular Americans uh who are
in a very different economic situation
uh situation than them uh at heart. And
so, I think also,
you know, over the past several decades,
we've also had the situation of uh you
know, outsourcing our our industry, you
know, to other countries beginning
during uh or really
not exactly sure where to pinpoint it,
but, you know, several decades ago, um
and that has also obviously had a major
impact on
uh on the United States as well. And I
think there's a major effort um from the
Silicon Valley crowd, oligarchs of which
fund both parties, to sort of um
onboard, I guess you could say, the
American people onto sort of this new
system that's coming into place
where it's sort of very focused on
or this basic
I guess sort of this coming together of
digital IDs, digital wallets, UBI, a lot
of these things are sort of being
slowly developed and um
sort of like
promoted to people, but
I think ultimately, you know,
um
you would only have that type of
situation where UBI is necessary.
I just want to make sure that we we go
point by point right now. Okay, so all
of that makes sense to me,
but I want to go back cuz when I think
about what the interests of the average
American are, it's I want to be able to
take care of my family.
I want things to come in at a reasonable
cost. I want to be able to save for the
future. I want to leave something for my
kids, and I want to make sure that my
kids have a better future than I have. I
feel like if you have that for the vast
majority of any nation, I literally
think it's completely agnostic. I think
that's just what humans crave.
If if you have that for people, you will
have a healthy, thriving society. Um
assuming we're in agreement with all of
that,
even if
you're BlackRock and you're super
greedy,
it does not make sense to hollow out the
middle class because eventually, as
history teaches us, they come for you.
And when they come for you, they come
with pitchforks and guillotines, and it
it's not a good look. So, what is it
about this moment
where the elite are so deranged that
they are from where I'm sitting playing
with fire. Do they just think that we're
so stupid that we'll never rebel? Are
they counting on this time will be
different cuz they have more control? I
don't I don't understand why they would
do this.
Yeah, it's hard to know exactly why, but
I think it's important to say that I um
at least in my opinion, I think where
the powers that be, however you want to
define that,
um are taking people is essentially
leading us to some sort of two-tier
society where there is really no need
for a middle class, and it's really more
accurately accurately described as like
a neo-feudal uh style society
where you have a large underclass
managed by sort of this more elite group
uh that would do the managing, and I
think it really falls under um
what some people have referred to as
technocracy, a sort of this idea of more
of like a scientific uh dictatorship. Um
and there's actually this prominent um
figure from the Club of Rome, a Dennis
Meadows, and the Club of Rome is uh an
entity that has a very intertwined
history with groups that have become
infamous over the past several years
like the World Economic Forum, for
example. Um
but Dennis Meadows essentially said
something to the effect that, you know,
for the good of people and the planet
and the economy, and in his words, um
that it was going to be necessary to
either reduce the world's population so
that people could have freedom and use
resources the way they want, or that uh
there would have to be a scientific
dictatorship imposed on 8 billion or 7
billion people in order to to ensure
uh accurate allocation of resources and
all of this stuff by a educated
technocratic scientific elite. And there
are some thinkers in Silicon Valley,
like Eric Schmidt, for example, who
wrote a book on AI with Henry Kissinger,
that essentially say that there's going
to be this sort of future brought to us
by AI um where there will be the class
of people that understand how AI works
that program and maintain it and then
there will be this underclass really.
They don't say underclass but I I would
say that of people who AI acts upon who
can't understand what AI is doing to
them and eventually because of their
dependence on AI
will become cognitively diminished
and mentally unable essentially to make
decisions from their for their for
themselves without AI's help
and there's a lot of other indications I
would argue whether it's UBI which again
is going to be for
not I don't think you know the top
oligarchs in Silicon Valley like Bill
Gates and and Reed Hoffman and and Peter
Thiel are going to be receiving UBI. I
think it's intended to be for
um
other people that aren't necessarily in
that economic tier. I think it's very
likely you're going to see if these
people succeed in their designs you are
really more of a two-tier society
without any sort of need for a middle
class.
And so I think that's part of why um
it's been happening and I think you know
as to why they might be playing with
fire. I think perhaps they're confident
that they have a lot more
that there's it's much easier to
manipulate people now than perhaps in
times past. For example
there was a 2014 research study that was
funded by the US Air Force that was
about try using social studying how to
use social media to control people like
drones
which I think is a very disturbing
research proposal in and of itself but
basically basically this idea
that you could use social media networks
by tailoring what information people see
and don't see down to the individual
based on data mined about them off of
the internet and then analyzed by by um
various algorithms to basically you know
essentially mind control people and you
know in the world world
in the words I guess of that Air Force
proposal and, you know, other militaries
around the world have spent millions
upon millions of dollars over the past
decade plus researching how to
manipulate people
on social media platforms. So, I think
it's very possible
that they think they they can manage it
since a lot of, you know, discourse has
become increasingly online
and that, you know, they can really
alter how people perceive reality to
unprecedented degrees. And another thing
that's brought up in this book
by Schmidt and Kissinger talks about you
know, eventually people won't be able to
know
what's real and what's not. You know,
either pointing to things like AI deep
fakes and things like that. But, you
know,
what if these deep fakes are wielded by
the state to manipulate people? And what
if we're led to believe that things
happened when they didn't happen?
You know, this can be the a lot of the
fear-mongering about deep fakes is when
it's in the hands of, you know, an
alleged cybercriminal or someone like
that. But, you know, uh
there's states around the world that
have an arsenal of these digital weapons
that are meant to manipulate us in in
our our perception of reality and what's
real.
And if you can, you know, use AI or
other means to control how people
perceive reality, you can control their
behavior and a lot of other things. So,
I think um
I think they're confident in that and
obviously there's probably other things
that I'm leaving out, but that's, you
know, sort of what comes to mind at
least at first for me when
in regards to that question.
Is that all? Uh
one of my notes is this is dark.
This is very dark. Let me so that I can
get a barometer on your world view. Let
me ask you
which of the following scenarios would
be better. AI comes into existence. It
has what from our perspective is
god-like intellect. It really does know
where best to allocate resources to
people to maximize human flourishing.
But, you have to completely submit to
the algorithm.
Okay? So, human flourishing maximized,
yay, but you have no autonomy, you do
what the algorithm tells you to do. Or
the sort of messiness of the human
experience, freedom first, you have
every right to make stupid and
self-destructive decisions.
But you don't get to take advantage,
obviously, of the algorithm's
brilliance. Which of those two would be
better?
Um, yeah, I am definitely human first
uh in in that when when you put it like
in in these two
uh you know, specific situations. Um, I
think um, it's kind of dangerous for all
of us to or all of us a lot of us to
outsource our creative ability to AI,
have AI create for us uh because
essentially when you're
um not performing those activities
yourselves, it sort of um
falls under if you don't use it, you
lose it paradigm. So, like a lot of us
don't really do mental math anymore
because we all most people have a
calculator in their smartphone, for
example. And so, you know, you don't use
that ability, eventually you lose it.
So, what happens if AI becomes, you
know,
um the main generator of creative
content and people forget how to make
art because they haven't done it in so
long and things like that. Um, I think
it's possible. I know there's
uh people I've talking to um who I think
are very intelligent that argue for sort
of a middle scenario between the two you
pointed out. I personally tend to fall
in a more sort of like I I prefer prefer
the analog uh future to a purely digital
future uh personally.
But I think there's a way to do it where
we don't really have uh this situation
where the AI algorithm is running our
lives and we don't have any agency
anymore. Um, I think that's very
dangerous and I think also there's been
a lot of hype um about AI and its
ability to reach that sort of god-like
intellect level. I think it's very
possible that you could have that
essentially faked by some entity and
they could claim that, which has
happened in the past. Uh you had a
Google engineer
or perhaps ex-Google engineer a few
years ago um attempt to say that a
chatbot that he was working with was
sentient uh and it was not. So, there's
the possibility that someone could come
out with that story and if it was widely
adopted and enough people said it was,
it could be believed to be so and
wouldn't actually be that. And in that
type of scenario, I think that's
dangerous because it sort of gives this
Wizard of Oz functionality, for example,
to the government. Uh we made this
policy, you hate it and uh we but the
computer said so so that's why we did
it. You know, it's the computer's fault,
it's not our fault. It's a way to sort
of offshore responsibility onto the
algorithm and away from
uh the people at the top. Um and uh I
don't really think that's uh
the way to go personally. But, I'm not
trying to say like eliminate AI and
don't use it. I personally am not into
it, but I have uh a lot of friends that
are um and so I'm not trying to be like
that negative about it in that sense,
but I also think this whole idea that we
should uh surrender ourselves to the
algorithm cuz it's so much more
intelligent than us, which is sort of
implicit in that Eric Schmidt-Kissinger
book. Um
yeah, I definitely don't agree with that
at all because I think humans should not
surrender their agency and I think it's
sort of um
i- in that scenario I sort of just laid
out if it's overhyped and it's claimed
that it reached that, you know, people
could surrender their agency to
something that isn't actually
uh possessing this god-like
superintelligence
um and but have just been told it is.
And I think, you know, that that
potentially could be very dangerous. If
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