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The group of Halo fans reacting to Season 2, Episode 7, "Thermopylae," expressed a mix of disappointment and frustration regarding the episode's pacing and narrative choices. While they acknowledged significant events like the fall of Reach, many felt that other episodes had become stagnant or failed to advance the plot effectively. Specific criticisms targeted unnecessary bottle episodes and questionable writing decisions, such as removing Master Chief from his armor for extended periods and mishandling character arcs for Jai and the Spartans. The commentary also highlighted major plot developments, including the revelation that Master Chief is alive but missing, the surprisingly early introduction of the Flood, and the mysterious nature of the Halo ring itself. A significant portion of the discussion focused on the show's handling of Cortana, whose reduced screen time was viewed negatively despite her importance in the game lore. The reaction to Admiral Parangoski was largely hostile, with viewers criticizing her portrayal as an antagonist who recklessly sacrifices Spartan-3s against overwhelming Covenant forces. Furthermore, the group took issue with visual effects choices, such as the mechanics of the hardlight bridge and the decision to show Master Chief's face without his helmet. They argued that this constant exposure undermines the character's mystique, a point they attributed to the live-action format's perceived need to avoid skepticism compared to animation or games where such elements are accepted without question. The speakers were equally critical of the lead actor, describing his performance as wooden and unskilled, while noting that only the actress playing Perez stood out positively. This poor quality led to deep pessimism about a potential Season 3, with the group predicting the series would be short-lived and dismissively calling it "17 episodes of piss." They asserted that any faithfulness to the source material became impossible after the first episode, labeling the entire series a complete bastardization that creates continuity errors and ignores established lore regarding Reach's destruction and the Pillar of Autumn mission. Using a Jenga tower analogy, they explained how the adaptation removes essential narrative bricks, like the context of the Fall of Reach, and replaces them with incompatible elements, causing the story structure to collapse. Ultimately, the episode concluded with a cliffhanger involving the Flood and the Spartans approaching the Halo ring, which the commentators felt served primarily as a setup for a future season rather than delivering a satisfying resolution. The segment ended with banter about attending the finale, interrupted by someone bringing sauce, but the overarching sentiment remained one of skepticism regarding the show's direction and quality. Despite these final moments of lightheartedness, the consensus was that the series had strayed too far from its roots, making it difficult for fans to remain invested in the unfolding drama as it moved toward its anticipated conclusion.
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Hi everyone. I'm so glad that you're here because I'm glad that I'm here with all of my friends and we're here for a very special occasion. It is the anniversary get together of the Halo season 2 watch party crew extravaganza and we're here to watch we're here to watch Halo season 2 episode 7. And boy, I don't know about you, but I'm excited. I am >> it's nearly over this incredible. You sort of look back and you're like, look how far we've come. You know, >> so much has happened this season in one episode. >> So much hasn't happened, too. >> Isn't it funny that if you are a Halo fan and someone was describing watching the season who is not a Halo fan to you and they said like not a lot has happened, Reach got taken, I guess. >> Yeah, we've we've covered like the span of one game and like half a book in two seasons. >> And simultaneously, we had episodes like episode five where basically nothing was achieved. How insane is it that that is so reliable in these [ __ ] shows where there'll just be a nothing episode all the time? >> Fill up eight episodes. You could make one less, but I mean there are a lot of shows that had to do 22 episodes a season and they managed to find enough story to cram into 22 episodes struggling with eight. >> I'm thinking of the Star Trek bottle episodes. But what I don't get is this isn't for broadcast television. So it's not like there's a contractual obligation to fill air time. So, why is there a a strict like episode requirement if they just don't have the chops to do a full episode? >> Well, I guess maybe there isn't because for season one was nine and this one was eight. There was so much riveting story in season 1, but they just couldn't get up to that number for season 2. >> And you know the [ __ ] answer they'd give you, they'd be like, "That episode's actually very important. It was for a chance for our characters to really Yeah, it was that cope about how Master Chief and uh and Jon and Halo are like two different >> characters. Well, that's right. They made the very bold decision to take Jon out of his armor for a really long amount of time to explore his relationship with himself. >> You got to have a good >> It's kind of funny how I I didn't really see that as being one of the themes of the show until somebody on Twitter said it. It's almost like >> and then it all sort of fell into place. All of the maybe two scenes where you could kind of argue that just sort of coales out of the ether to reveal that the show is actually deeply profound and not a complete waste of time. What I don't get is it's more about Jon having issues with him being abducted as a child. It's not absolutely not about his persona. >> It's funny that you've said that, Patrician, cuz I feel in season 2, even the aspects of the Spartan program and him being upset about that all. It feels like that's been dropped because he's still operating within the UNC apparatus that was in part responsible for it with no qualms. Like he doesn't care and nobody cares. Kai doesn't care. Riz and I guess Saurin before he died didn't care either. >> I miss Saurin. >> I miss him too. He was the only one that I was like kind of okay with. He fed pigeons which was big bonus. But now >> Saurin that was >> Oh, not Saurin. I mean uh [laughter] >> the other black >> was all right. I I like Saurin as well. She's kind of >> There's this woman. She flipped a coin. She dared me to call it and I did. >> Oh, remember when John Halo explained that he called it 11 times the universe ordained that he is so magical that he can never die in battle? >> He did. He did die in battle. And she's one. [laughter] >> Oh, yay. My favorite scene. >> Just beat the [ __ ] out of him and [laughter] then left. >> I actually like Kai as a character in retrospect because she seems a lot more like what a Spartan is supposed to be. She's going through the same emotional arc as the rest of them that lost their pellets, right? But she isn't going becoming a [ __ ] crazy person. >> What is it doing here? [sighs] What is this place? Oh, the well cowards didn't show up to the magic well and they both Miranda and they didn't tell Miranda that her father died on reach. >> Well, either that or she does not we don't get to see her opinion on that >> when Arbiter decided to fight all of these other elites. >> But he seemed to have more people with him as well, right? Like it's a bit >> Why do the elites have such weird armor? It's not anything like >> strange odd. >> Such a coincidence. They both were touching them at the same time. >> Listen, they were cold by the universe. >> It's predeterminism. The librarian has a plan to make them meet up and have sex. >> I always thought it was alive. I tried to understand what it wants from me. >> Why do they think that anybody cares about Mackie? >> I want her to die painfully. >> She did, but then they brought her back. [laughter] >> God damn it. >> Why me? Why you? >> Man, this is the most that they've shown of Halo. >> Well, we're heading there. >> This looks very real. >> GG. Jesus. What? [laughter] What is this vignette? >> You couldn't just go to like British Columbia or something and just go find some mountains. >> The Arbiter is a soldier like you. >> Start to wonder if it would have been better off just to [ __ ] have like some guy draw a picture for him in the background instead of this. >> You brought the covenant there. Millions of people gone. >> Look at this [laughter] blue. >> If you could burn high charity to embers, would you hesitate? >> There's a difference. You're human. >> No, the difference is that they're the aggressors in a war of extin. Why would you say that? I don't understand why you would I [laughter] don't Why is that your answer? >> What if there are no sides? >> Did the Covenant make you special human clothes? That's cute. Did all the little engineers with their tent and their little arms like >> one challenge? I've never made something for a human before. >> They're just excited to do something new. They're knitting with their little tentacles. They got all the little needle and everything going at it. >> We are not the same. >> You don't believe that. >> I want to see a little friendly engineer just learning about stuff. He learns how to make a show and then he becomes disgusted by this. >> You can't bring the Covenant here. If they control the Halo, >> they will annihilate humankind. >> You don't know what Halo is. >> Neither of you actually know what Halo is. >> The ring does more than destroy. We could build a world here. >> There's already worlds, but you destroyed one of them. >> The shot is so disorienting. >> It really is >> a place of peace. >> They're not going to let that happen. >> They don't decide. >> Very confused as to her motive. >> The ring doesn't belong to them. It belongs to us. Like, so she wants them to come here and live in peace. Like, who? You and him? Just the two of them? >> Yeah, it's a love story. >> He's very evil. >> So is he. >> Yeah, he's not great himself. >> They to be I guess you're right. They deserve it. >> Oh no, they're covered. >> You need to move. [laughter] >> There's aliens behind you. >> What the [ __ ] was that? >> Remember, shock waves, EMPs, the keystone does many things. >> Come on, get it. No. Damn it. the hero. He's gone. >> You were so close. >> Look at this [ __ ] >> Oh, that was a terrible transition. >> They gave her a weak elite to fight. >> You say he's the weak elite. He's the boss one. He's the only one that has character. [laughter] >> Man, that was some really bad composing. >> He was jogging like he was on a treadmill where he was like supposed to be a Covenant ship. >> Why is he running? >> It's not purple enough. It's not purple enough to be a Covenant ship. >> Just color correct it. Jesus. >> What the [ __ ] He's going to get stabbed in the back during the scene, isn't he? >> Mama is one of the Covenant from Halo 4's Spartan Ops mode. >> Maybe this is his dad. >> Anybody? >> Lame. >> Why did he His arm was still >> Why did she get >> Why did she get a little oneliner? >> That's up in his top right. It's in the shoulder. >> He could still have done something. Listen, >> shoulder wounds. Shoulder wounds killed the Spartan in this show. >> Why did Why do they do that? Why did they clearly have her stab him in a non-lethal spot? Why did they They chose to do that. They chose to That was a choice they made. But why? >> So, Cortana was able to find the location of Halo based on her weird psychic memory. Even though she has she's not connected to her brain. >> And even if she was, it wouldn't even connect to a brain. It wouldn't mean anything. >> Role in this show is [ __ ] wild compared to [laughter] what we know >> compared to the games. Yeah. It's crazy, isn't it? And she's still barely present, which I is just crazy. this season. It feels like they forgot about her and they're making up for lost time. >> Wow, Rags. It's very in keeping with season 1. They forgot about her a lot of the time in season one, too. >> What's funny is in the games, she has way more lines than Master Chief. She's like the primary voice of the player character. >> She's the second most important character besides him. >> It is the kind of thing where the riers you just like, how do you come up with what you keep and what you get rid of? Like, what what is your system? >> As a dart board has a bunch of possibilities. >> Fine. We'll give him the arbiter, but not their arbiter. He's our >> It'll be a weird flumpy orbiter that's not really, but we'll call him that. It's just We'll just make a different alien and call him that. >> I take it your strike team has failed to locate Master Chief. >> THEY WERE RIGHT THERE, MAN. >> I GUESS HE'LL go knocked out. >> But then the big the big blue circle went out and knocked out all the electricity. >> If people learn that Master Chief, in fact, is not dead, it'll lead to inconvenient questions about Reach, don't you think? >> Have they not accounted for the fact that they're going to have to answer very awkward questions about Reach? Surely many people are already thinking, "Man, we left like 2 days before it fell." That's kind of like crazy, isn't it? >> Good thing you brought those Spartan armors. >> Good thing you started the Spartan 3 program just after John Halo died, huh? >> That's a Covenant battle group. >> Big old battle coming along. >> That's the entire first fleet of >> Yeah, you guys are >> You're in a lot of trouble here. >> There's significant energy coming from the center of that system. >> Someone had fun just keep adding them to it. Playing that little plunky. >> Are they going to suck? Is is [laughter] the fleet going to get sucked into ready the Spartan 3s? >> My Spartan 3s were trained to execute specialized missions. >> I thought you said they were ready. >> Well, yeah, but not to fight an entire Covenant fleet. >> I don't think they're ready for this. >> How many do you have? >> They're not designed to assault a Covenant fleet. >> Your job to prepare them. I decide how they used. >> Are you [ __ ] ma'am? >> Why would you use them in a situation for which they cannot win? >> It's not a big deal anyways cuz a lot of them are just adults who have been like playing video games for the past week. Look at that [ __ ] fleet. >> This is not a black hole. >> It's a portal to Halo. >> Ooh. >> What? >> Maybe. I don't know. >> I don't know. Maybe. [laughter] [ __ ] it. >> Oh, and he's just casually walking around. >> Of course he is. [ __ ] it. >> Is about to help him out. >> Wait. So, is Cortana both on the Covenant ship and here now? >> She is on the Covenant ship and communicating, I guess, across many, many light years here. >> John 117, stop where you are. >> Oh, I was wondering if this lady was going to come back. >> We have orders to take you. She's a sub boss. >> Those aren't your orders. >> He's resisting. Take him down. >> I said take him down. >> They're not going to shoot him. >> That's Master Chief. >> I mean, he's getting a little close there. I don't know. >> I've been on that side of the gun. >> We know you've held guns, sir. >> I didn't ask questions. I didn't want to know. >> Pull the trigger. >> He's very lucky this guy didn't just pull the trigger. Honestly, >> he's lucky that none of the other guys decided to shoot. Master Chief killed a bunch of your maybe friends in the holding your >> gun. >> What are you doing? >> I actually don't know why they aren't. >> All of them have disengaged. >> Do it yourself. >> You would just Well, we'll stop it from doing that. She might. She literally might. >> STOP RIGHT THERE. >> WHAT? WHOA. >> WOW. >> YEAH, he just died there. [laughter] What the [ __ ] >> We had to have a woman hit her. >> Why did they decide that >> I knew I [ __ ] knew Master Chief was not going to lay a finger on that character? Why do they think he's good? >> I actually don't know. >> No, he's been nothing but evil. >> Whoever designed this complex built the Halo. >> What [ __ ] are we doing here? >> What is this place? It's a repository for knowledge. Like a library. >> A library? Uh-oh. [laughter] >> With a librarian inside. >> You said something about a mistake. >> Has she not told her that her dad's dead? >> I don't know if she knows. I don't [laughter] know. >> I can only assume that she >> It would be so [ __ ] insane if she didn't know. I I have to assume she does know. >> It's just easy drama. >> Yeah. You get to watch someone have a reaction. >> The cipher isn't just mathematical. >> You're moving those knobs as though she's doing something. >> So philosophical. >> In this case, a complex idographic system. >> I'm solving this puzzle. >> Yeah. Someone have to make that for this show. It probably took them ages. They watching the show. They're like, "Look, son. I made that. I know this show. [ __ ] [laughter] I made that." >> Whatever you found wasn't in your notes. Tell me DNA. >> Ooh. >> Human DNA. >> Theirs and ours. >> Yay. We did it, >> man. We're getting there fast, huh? >> That's cuz we spent so much time on expansing catch up with the Halo part >> cuz they need to get people to want a season 3, right? So, they got to throw a load of stuff in. >> I have the commander of the lead, Condor. >> This is Admiral Parangoski. >> So, they've just sent the Spartan 3s to go and attack this fleet. Do they actually think this is going to work? >> Why have their fleet be so >> Now I'm wondering if if it will work just for the the show to be able to kill them. She wants to kill them. >> Yes. Yes. That's the end point because there's a story about the Spartan 3s about them being wasted just like this. >> November 2 radio. >> Why so predictable? [laughter] >> Well, how all assassin condors is [music] attack Onyx over. >> Are you [ __ ] Yeah, look at what you did. You [ __ ] idiot. You imbecile. Does she want them? She wants them dead, right? >> Deploy the second wave. >> Yes. >> Whatever interest there is in wiping out the Spartan threes, wouldn't you want to spend them better? Even if you want them gone. >> No, she has to be tacitly evil. >> What is She's evil. She's trying to kill the Spartans. How many Spartan threes are you willing [music] to sacrifice? >> All of them. >> She has to be an antagonist for the season's antagonist. >> He was this season's antagonist, but [laughter] now he's the one who wants to preserve human life. >> If the Covenant takes the halo, we won't live to fight another day. >> Oh, so she's justoundly. >> She's just profoundly stupid. >> This is what I'm saying. Like if you want to get rid of the threes, surely there are better ways. >> There's too many Covenant ships. They'll just blow them up before they can even get close. Obviously, waste of human life. They're not achieving anything. >> Oh, it's also a waste of a force. Like, they surely have things they need to achieve. Just throw them at that. Even if they die, you know. >> Our trainers told us that the objective was to defend the pass. >> Oh, this is back of the polar. >> No sights on the rifles. >> Well, they have eyes rags. They won't need them. It's too expensive. And they're just good. They're just throwaway soldiers in the car. >> That's just That's just an American quarter. >> She's imbued with luck. >> That's just a luck transferable. That's not even like a space quarter. It's literally just an American quarter. >> Abraham Lincoln isn't on it. [laughter] >> So we stood together. >> I mean, yeah, we can spend a few minutes on this, I guess. >> We lost We lost together. >> Together. >> Yeah. >> Cliches. Woohoo. >> You need to You need to shave that. >> What are we going to do about Kesler? >> He's like, "Oh, well, I was doing some thing. What? Are we on pl >> What are we going to do about Kesler?" >> Nothing. >> What? >> Tonight is his. >> What are you talking about? >> If we take this away from him, he'll never know which person he is. >> What? What is this? What are you talking about? >> What's happening? >> What the hell did they do to you? >> The people who stood by me no matter what. >> I stand by you no matter what. >> Holy [ __ ] >> I take them again. >> No. >> Oh, she took your Yeah, your wig. You lost the wig. You lost your power. >> All that time you were obsessing about Hoy. You were trying to find your way back. >> Oh, is that what is that what they think they were doing with him? Okay. >> I'm confused. How How has his story followed that at all? >> His story is totally antithetical to this. It was him trying to forge a life for himself in about him. He has a son. >> He was like the most interesting person because he wasn't a psycho. >> And he had some agency which was really uh >> my era. Don't >> just stare at that. >> You're lucky. Don't worry. You're lucky. You'll be fine. >> Nice airsoft gun. >> So, do these Spartan 3s know what happened to the first set of Spartan 3? >> I guess they were told, "Hey, look. All right. They did pretty well. Now, what sending you in?" >> They died within 10 seconds of arriving at their location. >> No, no, they they didn't arrive. Pretty sure I'm going to die. >> You're just scared of being scared. >> No, I think she's scared of the real possibility of death. >> I'm scared of dying pointlessly. >> When that plasma starts flying, you won't have time to be scared for yourself. >> Holy. It's so It's weird how many women there are in like these military soldier positions. That's >> it. Weird. >> Remember she was escaping Reach on that ship and then she was like just in the Spartan 3 program. We didn't really like see the >> connecting pieces for her story at all. >> Spartan 3 now. >> You lied to us. You put us in harm's way. You got us grounded. >> That's true. >> True. >> I tried to help you, but you wouldn't listen. >> That's right. And he's not listening loud. What a rude [ __ ] >> I had to make a call. >> You made the wrong call. >> Is she wearing Scorpio's outfit? >> How are you referencing that Rex? >> Because I'm a smart boy. >> Show me what you found. >> What are they doing here? What are they setting up here? What are they going for? >> Well, whatever. Is this Quan about to figure out the the big door? >> Remember, she's got the super duper special connection. So maybe she's the maybe she's just got to touch it. >> Just move one thing slightly >> like the ark to me. Oh yeah. So she does touch it and it has super duper special properties. What are the odds that John Halo bumped into her? What are the odds of that? >> Well, he's just died easily at any point. >> She gets the UI indications of when the puzzle pieces are in the correct spot. >> Star system. >> Wait, what? They can blow those ships up and that destroys a solar system? I bet that's how they're going to destroy the whole fleet. Is that how it's going to work? [ __ ] off. >> Actually, [ __ ] off. >> John, no. >> Beat him up. >> Give me one reason why I shouldn't kill this guy right now. >> Nothing comes to mind. >> Wait, why'd she say honestly nothing comes to mind? >> So, she's totally flipped 100%. >> My armor IS BEHIND A BIOMETRIC LOCK. >> WE NEED HIS FACE. >> Are you choking him or not? >> We need his face >> attached. >> How are you going to get there without even if Master Chief got into this situation? He wouldn't be like, "I'm going to [ __ ] rip his head off." >> Yeah, he would. That's totally a chief line. >> The virus compresses the ship's fusion drive, creating a reaction powerful enough to incinerate everything within a million miles. >> What? >> Okay, so Parangoski is just like crazy insane. >> Parangoski's throwing Spartan 3s at the Covenant fleet in swarms because she doesn't need all of them to make it. >> Yeah, I don't remember that being set up, but I guess that's what we're doing now. >> But if this is something they can do, why wouldn't they make why wouldn't they make bombs like this? >> No, I don't [clears throat] remember a cabinet cruiser to test this. This is that [ __ ] Last Jedi fleet maneuver thing over again. Why would you write the destructive scale at this level? >> Same with the Rise of Skywalker stuff. Like when you when you make this many ships and you know that you have to have a win button for this problem, it doesn't really work. >> What happened to my father? >> Oh, now she's asking what happened to her dad. >> They say he stayed behind. >> Oh, we're doing it now. Yeah. >> Feel like we should have done this ages ago. >> He lit a pipe and exploded. I don't know. >> It was weird. >> Survivors are scattered all over the galaxy. Can't be sure he's not one of them. >> True. We We blacked out and then Master Chief woke up on Northern Texas planet. >> Just [ __ ] accidentally left. I guarantee. >> So, she's going to touch it and then it'll magically open up the door. Oh, wow. >> Wow. >> Nobody tried to pry them off the wall. >> No, they're not allowed to. She is because she's a protector. >> Yeah, it's like a sword and the stone type deal. >> Huh? CG. >> Not just math, not just language. Shut up. You [ __ ] I hate you so much. >> These are stars. >> Oh, you like it. >> What do you think stars are? >> What else could they possibly look like to >> Oh, it just stays there. >> Okay. >> How did she know it would do that? How did she know? >> Isn't it so funny? Cuz if you just be like, "What the [ __ ] is going on?" Like, >> if you're off by an inch, that's like a trillion miles. I don't even [laughter] >> It's fine. >> Did they get rid of Vatic suit? Do they just toss it? >> Hurry up. Show some emergency. >> That seems like a weird way to store it. standing up out in the open >> standing up on these glowy platforms likely with it. >> In the games, the Spartan suits had to be put on by like a team of people. >> That's suit I guess. >> Oh, so there's Banic suits, but Rizz's is gone for some reason. >> No, they're all there, but Kai suit is gone. >> Oh, cuz these are the secure ones. Is available. >> Well, I'm glad we solved that mystery. We did it, everyone. >> What we going to do? Well, I came here to punch a hole in your chest. >> Nice. >> You're in Master Chief. >> Your Master Chief line right there. I didn't give the orders wrong reach, >> but you followed them and I followed you. I'm >> They're trying to do some commentary here about like blindly following orders. Feels weird when the enemy in this case is an alien race hellbent on killing everyone. >> We just don't have the money to actually show them consistently. So, >> so we need to create on subplots. >> You are going to tell everybody what Perangoski did. I don't have proof. I'm the proof. >> How are you? What >> aren't you insane though? Like there's easier to make a narrative that you lost your mind. You're going to show the footage of you in the cell beating up the UNC guys and everything. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. All those people you killed and the ones in the forest. >> And besides this guy, >> psycho weirdo. >> He's not making it. He's just not. >> Copy destroyed, too. Somebody always pays. >> Yeah. And it's not you, John Hailer, because you never die in battle. >> Every time I go into battle, I know I can lose somebody. I know it's not going to be me. >> That's what you people never understand. You >> put him in a Pokéball. And Ghost of Onyx actually does kind of end with him going into a Pokéball. Come on, hurry up. Put on the [ __ ] armor. >> Yeah, we're dragging. A >> lot of fat in this episode. >> That's why it's only 48 minutes. >> Around the exactly the right place. >> Just to be clear, if you want to see a constellation, you have to be standing at a very particular angle so that the stars all match a particular position. And also, the stars would have changed significantly since the time of the 4Runners. They would have to use quazars and neutrinos which have like consistent pulses to actually map out where they are. >> Like you could look at the stars and be like, "Oh, they've moved this much." So we could calculate like a particular time or a particular date. But this show doesn't [ __ ] know that. >> No, this show's not smart enough. >> This show's like, "Oh, if I look at the galaxy language puzzles, >> this isn't their sky." >> Oh, is she pointing out that they >> What are you doing? >> I just So now they move together. >> Stars, they move over time. How does she know where to put the >> Oh, wow. They figured out the base. >> Oh, look. It's the Halo. >> How do you know where they go? >> She just knows. >> If you're off by even a couple of centimeters, you're off by hundreds of millions of kilome. >> I've seen it before. They're stars. >> And she's just remembering what the cave said. And she's being guided by the will of the halo. >> And then it's going to show the halo array, right? >> They already showed >> mystical music playing. >> Why would you open with showing that there were seven rings? They should open with just being the one. I know Halo fans are going to know that there's seven rings, but >> Wow. Amazing. >> Oh my gosh. This is insane. >> Oh wow. >> Oh man. It's all been leading up to this, huh? >> It's formed to Stargate. >> Woohoo. >> Oh, this is so lame. >> All right, grab your P90s, boys. We're going in. >> This is just Halos on the other side of that [laughter] or something. I actually it's the show, so who knows what they'll do. They open this door and they're just inside the silent cartgraphy. >> This is what I mean. If you're a fan of the games, what reason do you have to be excited for what's behind this door? If anything, you should be horrified. You should be absolutely terrified of what they're going to do. >> Oh, wait. What if >> Yeah, she intuitively knew what hardlight worked like. >> It does sort of look like >> I would tap it with a pin. >> Would be funnier if you jump. He just jumps really far and then it walks the bridge. >> It's a leap of faith. It's symbolic. >> I can't come with you because Perangaskki is right. If we lose the Halo, >> you heard what he said. >> You don't know what Halo is. >> We're talking about an entire fleet. >> I'm talking about the end of everything. >> But that's the name of >> You don't know WHAT HALO IS. YOU DON'T WANT TO DIE. >> Never been there. >> You just believe the crazy alien [ __ ] when she told you whatever it was. This is why the Halo game started with them being at Halo and didn't build up to them going to the titular place because it ascribes unearned importance if they Jesus. >> Which is what this show has done massively. They just made big leaps. They didn't even know that Halo was a place that existed. Then they did and then they concluded that it must be a weapon based on nothing. >> Sacred ring. Halo. >> You have some atistic connection to this thing that we're calling the Halo. The divine wind will rush through, propelling all those who are worthy on a great journey to the sacred ring. The survival of our species depends on what it can teach us. >> If they control the halo, >> they will annihilate humankind. >> Halo has more than one purpose, but in the wrong hands, it is a weapon. >> But it DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. >> MULLER, when you play the Halo games we haven't played yet, it it's not going to be like this. What? >> It'll be just like complet it'll be completely different. >> I want to press button to scream as John Halo. I want to be like >> as as John Halo caves in a man's skull and says, "I hate the UNC. I hate humanity. >> Just get to the Halo no matter what." >> Kind of crazy that they tried to build up Silver Team only to have them separated most of the time. >> Yeah. And without their suits. >> What does it say? The central segment is like the idioraph for growth. >> God, this is >> how do you possibly know what these symbols mean if you have nothing to compare it with? >> The symbol at the top usually has negative connotations. >> If you have a bunch of symbols, you might be able to recognize repeated letters. It could be. It could be whoever built this place is [ __ ] Sonic OC's. You don't know >> exactly. And it's I just find it funny. It's like Quog, you open this one, too. Had this next one had this thing. [laughter] I don't know what the [ __ ] going on. So, >> let's walk very slowly. >> It's a tomb. >> They said it. They said the thing it's a tomb. >> It's a laboratory. >> Oh my god. Is this flood stuff? >> Oh no. >> Also, this is what an alien laboratory looks like. >> The library The library is the the in Halo, the first Halo. It's the flood mission. They're kept in the Is this going to be the flood for real? >> I figure they would bring in the flood sooner rather than later because they're running out of iconography to just juice. You know, >> it's a scientist. >> What the [ __ ] >> Don't touch it. >> Obviously, >> you shouldn't even be in this room. Poke it. >> You should have like a biohazard thing on right now. >> There's something in his hand. >> You're You're already dying of super flood. Oh my god. I can't believe they're doing this. >> Why is that happening? >> We need to move. Let's go. >> Are they about to get trapped because they don't move fast enough? >> What about all the other researchers? Are they going to Why is the blast door closed slowly if it's important? >> Oh, dude. Running across there. Holy [ __ ] You kidding me? >> Yeah. Jeez. >> Why would that not just turn off? >> I might not want to stop. >> Why would you stop halfway through? >> Uh, what are we doing? >> I have no idea what that hardlight bridge is connected to and when it's going to turn off. >> Oh, come on. >> Are they actually going to fall off because of that? >> It looks like they should. >> Oh, this is so [ __ ] >> How did you know to jump? I guess you just do it at the end, [laughter] but you know, they want you to >> The door closed anyway. >> Oh, look at that door closing right on time. >> Look, the quarantine programs are They're not great. They're not great, guys. >> So, what was all of like Why did the glass crack? >> It's beautiful. It's spreading. It's their history. >> OH, NO. THEY ARE. THEY'RE doing the flooding. >> Wow. They are. That's insane. >> Oh, look. It's the flood. >> What's wrong? It's real. >> It's honestly, it's going to be like the you want season 3 cuz we're going to do the flood fully. >> It really is. It is. I can't believe it. I'm sorry. >> They're going to flood BEFORE THEY'VE EVEN GOTTEN TO HALO. [laughter] >> Tell me you got it. >> It's just speed running Halo. >> I like how there's just three chicks here and not like human scientists. And >> they were before. >> Yeah. The whole team are just not there. >> I guess they all just left. Yay. Back to >> Johnny Bunny. >> Yeah, that was a wild decision. >> And that's going to get him nothing, is it? He's doomed. >> You'll get his little boss fight before the end, right? Yeah, but he's he's definitely not making it out of this season. No way. [laughter] >> He's going to join he's got to join the core team. They need a representative alien on the team. >> Dude, we just killed a bunch of people for you. What the [ __ ] >> I thought he like kind of didn't like her. Was tolerating her for usefulness. >> Seemed that way, but I guess not. He actually really really likes her. Don't know why. >> Yeah, watch Mickey have sex with Arbiter. >> Why not? Let's do it. Why' you >> I was kidding, but now >> she's giving her the arbiter scar. It's >> going to hurt a lot. Wait, what? >> Oh, that's so gross. She stole Arbiters. She stole his symbol. >> I can't believe it. That's so [ __ ] up. >> I am bound to bound you. Oh my god. They're going to actually make him like a pair. >> Oh my god. Just when you think it can't get stupider, it does. It's like it's waiting for you to dare it and then it does. >> Meanwhile, Sord's just out here chilling out. >> He's been waiting for like an action scene, I think. Right. >> Yeah. He's He's here to watch a movie. >> His son to a fight. >> You got this, champ. >> What is this? >> What? I don't even know what this is. >> He's saving his son, Rags. >> I I guess this is weird. So, in Spartan training is you go into this thing and there's some guys in orange jumpsuits and it's misty and foggy and they hit you with sticks. What's the point of the fog if you're all blind? >> It's cinematic. >> It's me. >> Hey, >> why are you He beat up the guys who are going to beat you up? >> He's You're too scary. >> Sorry. >> What is happening? >> Why did you grab him when the >> Oh, no. She's into the fog. >> Uh, you're not going to beat him. He's a spot in there. >> All right. Well, they didn't bait him. Okay, >> but they've been taken to the fog world. >> Looks fake. >> Nice suit. >> Yay. He's got a suit on. The fans rejoice. This is only episode seven of season 2. >> How are you alive? >> I could ask the same thing about you. >> No, you couldn't. You bore our head on a ship and fly away. >> Yeah, you went through 17 layers of horseshit to somehow be alive at this point. >> You're coming with us. >> Yeah, we're going to get blown up before we >> so much shorter than him. >> He's so tiny. >> I'm I'm a spot myself. >> He's like, "Oh, really? It's great." >> Kai is pretty tall, you know, and they're fairly tall, but she's tiny. >> Yeah. I think she's just a small girl in general, but he's already a huge guy. When the battle ends, they don't talk about the ones who don't come home. >> Uh, excuse me. They do talk about the people who don't come home. Lest we forget. [music] >> Our victory. Your victory was so close. I wish you could have lived to see it. >> Your father's actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of military service. His bravery in the face of impossible odds reflects great credit upon himself and the UNC. The Navy has lost one of its best. As we start to [music] rebuild, this hillside will remain barren. A memorial to heroes fallen. They enbled all of us and they shall not be forgotten. >> They just call it a victory and say it was BECAUSE OF ME. >> LIAR. SO, IS HE GOING TO TELL HER TO NOT go on the mission or does she have to go? >> She has to join team Halo. >> That woman made you flip that coin all those times. Was it lock or did you make it come up heads? >> How would he make it come up heads? >> Did she see that he is telekinetic? >> Something you can't see, but you feel it moving through you. >> To call it correct 11 times is I don't believe >> they're not No. Come on, Mark. They're not actually going to set up the psychic [laughter] powers, are they? >> Why not? That slots in the rest of the show. Is she the one that's been consistently a pretty good actress throughout all this? >> Yes, she's the best one considerably. >> She's notable. Again, in this scene, you can tell she's acting. >> It's a shame to have her spouting nonsense, but she's [ __ ] trying. If you didn't know that John Halo was the main character of Halo, you'd be confused why she isn't the main character. >> I suppose it does. >> This is something they stolen from that site. So, is this flood? >> Did they tell everyone that there was like a 4Runner body there that was mummified? >> You think that they would have mentioned to a lot of people what was down there? They have a lot to >> explanike body >> found in an ancient alien city like underground. >> It might be the key which activates Halo. Kind of looks similar to it. Why would that be here? >> Why not? [clears throat] Because that's why that's what it is. >> Why wouldn't it be here? >> That's the index. [ __ ] it. Whatever. >> Shouldn't be here. She's a fugitive. >> Have you tried moving it slightly? [laughter] >> Oh, Hollyy left. >> Wow, that was Leave in the middle of this. It feels like everyone's waiting for the last episode cuz they can't do anything this episode. >> I don't have the money. >> Oh my god. Master Chief, you're wanted in like 17 planets for murder and assault and espionage and >> Look, it's that guy that killed all our friends in the woods. >> No, he only horribly maimed them. That's all. >> Hooray. >> What about the Spartan 3s? They trusted me. I told them they could win. >> Yeah, but you knew you were [ __ ] when you said that. >> You're both terrible. >> Wasn't the point of that the whole section of scenes? remember he gave them an easy out because he thought they, you know, was trying to recommend and stuff. >> It's amazing. The show is making me actively root for the Covenant. It's This is wild. >> Well, they've shown way more of the infighting and duplicity within the UNCC then they've just shown the clear and present threat that is the Covenant. >> In this case, it's hard to root for the Covenant because I barely have any understanding of what the Covenant is beyond zombies that run around going pretty much. And we haven't even gotten the flood yet. >> I just want this entire universe destroyed. I'm rooting for the flood. >> Yeah, let's root for the flood. This is Master Chief John 117. >> Boy, finally everything. [groaning] >> Get it out of your head. He's not coming. >> I You cannot see my expression at all. Just >> They love doing the in helmet shot. They love it, don't they? >> They've not brought back John Hal. No, they're not doing the Iron Man one. They're doing that one. And they don't do it for John Halo because they're not allowed to anymore. >> I was meing, but he really didn't put on his helmet as episodes, too. >> No. No. We got to see his face. We got to see his expressions. >> Wow. You're right. It's a modern day quarter. It's just a coin from 500 years ago. It's an ancient artifact from Earth's past. It's priceless. >> Oh. Um, this might be a bad idea. >> He's flying directly towards the coveted fleet. Is he? 328 on >> Oh, this is so epic. >> 60 seconds to jump. Good luck, Spartans. >> Hopefully, we won't get destroyed. >> Yeah, >> I'm confused why they would have any chance at all. >> There's like a whole Covenant fleet and they know you you're coming. They destroyed the first Spartans. They all died within like 10 seconds. >> Oh, it's Halo, right? Where is it? [music] >> Hey, he flew there in a pelican. >> Oh, it's just there. That was bad. There it is. They're in action everybody. They >> He flew there in a pelican. >> Yeah, >> we did it. No, it isn't. >> This is embarrassing. >> This is actually embarrassing. This truly is embarrassing. >> One more left. Just one more to go. Just one more. We're almost there at the finish line about this episode. It was a complete waste of time. It was just them [ __ ] around because they just have to fill time until they get to the finale where things can actually happen. It's a bunch of crazy mumbo jumbo blah blah lore story. This is how things happening. Setup flood hope for the third season to exist. >> It's like 48 minutes of please don't cancel us. >> I now very much get that vibe with the flood. That definitely sounds like Come on, just give us season 3. Let us at least finish it with season 3. All right, come on. Just give us another season. I beg you. I implore you. I insist. Please. They've committed to keeping his helmet off. Do you think they have conversations when making the seasons like, "Man, this is the right decision, right?" And they go, "Yeah, yeah, it's the right decision." Yeah. Yeah. It's better. They'll realize. They'll realize. >> Actually, actually, it turns out it didn't even fit him. It doesn't fit on his giant head. >> My guess is that they would have had conversations like, "Look, those are just little [ __ ] video game players, right? We're the writers who went to film school. We've read all the books and this is the way that you do it. You got to see their face. You got to have that human connection there." You know, >> there's a screen actors guild requirement to have like a certain amount of facetime, isn't there? That's why like helmeted characters always have scenes. >> Oh yeah, you have exceptions, right? One of the most commendable ones is Carly and deciding not to have his [ __ ] clear star power be referenced in Dread at all. He kept it on for the whole thing. That's such a cool aspect. And this would have been cool to do it here. I would have had respect for the production somewhat if they' kept his helmet on, you know, shockingly throughout the whole thing. We never see his face. It would have been really cool. >> I imagine it was just never even on the cards. If it was an animated show, they probably would have done it. If it was animated, I imagine there just would have been less of that thinking we got to see their face. We need to make sure the actor gets his face seen and her face seen. We need to we need to do that. If it was an animated show, there probably would have been a lot of decisions that they would have made differently just by virtue of the medium that would have been more in line with what the games have to offer. They would have had Covenant POV characters who were actually aliens cuz they probably would have thought it's all animation. It's not like it's any more or less taxing from a visual effects standpoint to have scenes with elites or grunts or anything like that. We can have him in his helmet the whole time because nobody like it would just never be called into question if it was animation. Just like it's never called to question in the games, but in live action, there's just something going on in the big old brain that like makes people I guess on this show think we got to see his face a lot. >> For a very wooden actor, too. >> Yeah, he's not good. Um >> yeah, he really isn't good. I mean, no one really is. A couple >> except for again the actress who plays Perez. She's like notably better than everybody else. >> Got a good career ahead of her that one. Yeah. >> Well, she's tied to this show, so >> who knows for how much longer this show is going to last? Cuz now I'm feeling very much like season if they got a season 3, that would be the last one they'd get. They'd tell them this is >> they're going to do badly again. Even if they do get a three, >> why would there be any expectation at this point when we've had Well, you know, it'll be 17 by the time the season's over. 17 episodes of piss. >> I know exactly what the CO explanation is going to be for the people that get excited about season 3. It's just like, yeah, but now they're actually on >> Halo. We got to watch this. >> Finally, >> they've 1,000% messed up. Even just the basic premise of Halo C. >> It was over with Halo season 1, episode 1. It was already over. The notion that there was any course correction after that was kind of a pipe dream. Uh, and certainly by the end of season 1 with everything that had happened in that season, there was no world where you were going to get your faithful Halo adaptation. It's an impossibility. It wouldn't make any sense if it was faithful. If it was faithful, it would create a whole bunch of continuity errors. >> The first episode of the first season already cemented very clearly that this is not Halo. This is just [ __ ] to tell the story that they want to make up. It's going to be a bastardization through and through. It's obvious from the first episode. >> That last shot reflecting the Halo in his eyes just being like, "Isn't this just pure art right now? Look at it. This is incredible." Like, shut up. >> This isn't yours. You took it. You took it and then you put it in here. Scrambled it. No. The visual storytelling is very much garbage in this show. >> Isn't it crazy to think that three episodes prior Reach got destroyed and now they're here with Spartan 3 is going to Halo. Like right now you got one episode for the fall of Reach and now we're already here with a massive battle between Spartan 3s and an entire Covenant fleet as John Halo is going to reunite with Mackie on Halo. The Pillar of Autumn was supposed to be this like spec ops mission where it was going to be one of the UNC's first attempts to invade Covenant Space and that's why the Master Chief was on it and they had all this all this gear on it and then like right as they were about to take off on that mission they were going to send like tons of Spartans in on it. Reach got invaded and so they had to escape with whatever they had and they just ended up at Halo. Whereas here it's like actually we knew it was a weapon and we knew about the flood and we're racing the Covenant to get there. I think it's a really perfect indication of the danger of adapting where if you think of it as like a Jenga tower copying the top half fully. That would be like the aesthetics and stuff, but then the bottom half they've only taken a few bricks and the whole thing was just already ready to topple and they don't understand why. It's like, well, this is our own version. We're doing our own thing. It's like, yeah, but by taking pieces, none of it fits together anymore. Nothing makes any [ __ ] sense. So the people who do it well right are when you adapt and you take a brick out but you you know understand why the brick was there and you put your own brick back in to make sure that everything is >> rather than taking the bricks out and then just putting like a plastic bowl there instead and then it's just a bunch of plastic bowls and cutlery like you got some forks to hold up the bricks like we're doing it too >> don't get renewed they're like how did this happen [laughter] >> you know what whose fault it was it was the fans and their unreasonable expectations >> well Uh, Halo season 2 episode 7. See you for the finale. >> That's right, everyone. >> I'm so excited to go to the finale. We'll see you there. >> Excited. [screaming] >> You're okay. >> SHUT THE [ __ ] UP, YOU YOU DONKEY. >> WHAT'D YOU BRING ME? >> SLAM SAUCE. OKAY.