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The Season 2 finale of *Batwoman*, titled "Power," receives harsh criticism from hosts and viewers alike for its rushed storytelling and numerous logical inconsistencies that undermine the series' integrity. The episode is heavily faulted for providing unsatisfying resolutions to its major villains, with Black Mask surviving by being injected with a ridiculous venom that makes him indestructible, while Fake Bane is merely left in a car after a single punch. Furthermore, key character arcs are treated dismissively; Jacob Kane receives an abrupt exit via phone call without a proper goodbye despite his heroic efforts, and Alice Queen remains free to return in Season 3 despite her defeat, suggesting the writers prioritized future setup over narrative closure. Production quality issues further detract from the episode's impact, with hosts describing the CGI effects as cringeworthy and the reliance on cheap gimmicks like masks falling off or characters fainting easily. The script is riddled with plot holes that break suspension of disbelief, such as the Batcave being inaccessible to Luke Fox, a lack of internet connectivity affecting communication during critical moments, and Kate Kane seemingly abandoning her role as Batman for Ryan Wilder without a clear transition. These technical and narrative failures are compounded by bad music choices and a general sense that the episode relies on lazy writing tricks rather than engaging storytelling. Fans express deep frustration over the loss of beloved characters like Jacob and the original Batwoman, feeling that the showrunners ignored established lore to react to audience memes or simply discard popular elements. The decision to remove Jacob from the story while leaving Alice as a looming threat is seen as a betrayal of the core themes that made the series compelling, especially when contrasted with the more satisfying conclusion of Season 1. Viewers are skeptical about the show's future survival beyond Season 3, fearing that the writers' disregard for fan feedback and plot logic will continue to erode the story's quality and emotional resonance. Ultimately, the consensus is that this finale fails to deliver a meaningful conclusion to Season 2, instead setting up a precarious path for a potential third season that risks losing the essence of the show. The combination of unresolved plotlines, illogical character decisions, and poor production values leaves many questioning whether the series can recover from such a damaging ending. As the community looks ahead, there is a strong sentiment that the current trajectory threatens to diminish the legacy of *Batwoman*, turning what should have been a celebratory finale into a disappointing chapter that sacrifices depth for cheap thrills and unresolved mysteries.
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No. Well, yeah. So, welcome. Welcome everybody. Here it is. >> Here we are once again. the last episode. The end of an era that boy >> is rebinning days from now. But as far as we're concerned, this is the end of era. >> This is the end of an era. >> I suppose we'll talk at the end of the episode a little bit in terms of retrospect for the season. But yeah, the stakes are high. The bad guys have all of the WMDs from past Batman villains. Evil White Cops is likely going to become like fake Venom. [ __ ] I keep saying that. Doom. No, the Bane. That's the one. I did it. >> Bane. >> What else is happening? Evil. Kane is evil. >> Yeah. >> And our crew is is set to try and stop them in this explosive finale. Maybe. I don't know. It might just be a cliffhanger. >> Yeah. Who knows? >> I guess there's only one way to find out how they uh how much will they wrap up cuz remember evil white cop guy. That's just he's that's his name. He could be finish this episode with how Batoman works. >> Yeah. Maybe stabbed through the face. >> And then Yeah, that could be it. >> Stabbed by Ellis. I'm going to go ahead and bet. I don't want this to be true, but I'm just going to bet no Jacob scenes. >> Yeah, I don't think there would be any Jacob, >> which would be >> I thought we'd get more I thought we'd get like an actual exit for Jacob. I didn't think that that would be it. >> He needs one scene with um Kate Kane probably. Um so there's a chance they'll do that to give him his goodbye. But uh I'm not even sure we'll get that cuz they just don't give a [ __ ] about that character. >> There's a to it yet because Kate Kane isn't Kate Kane yet. So it wouldn't mean anything for to wrap anything up. like he wouldn't you just have to introduce that Jacob recognizes >> you know um >> especially when you think about Jacob from his perspective knowing that Kate Kane is out there. >> Yeah. I don't know if you know the answer to this Frankie but um if they're making season 2 and they're like we're definitely going to have a scene between Kate Kane and Jacob in season 3 because of what we're planning. Then the actor says I ain't coming back for season 3. Could they record that scene in season two with the contracts for that but then use it in season 3? >> I mean I couldn't tell you. I don't know. I wonder if that works that way. Or would it count as being like, "No, you're using me to promote a different season that wasn't in the contract, so you have to pay me or something like that." >> I could see that being the explanation possibly. Like the idea that you basically got this one particular production cycle and then there's the next one and they're grouped like that. I could see that being the case. I >> love the idea that they bring him in for a meeting and he's like, "What?" They're like, "We need to we're going to record we've recorded one scene with you in in season two. We want to use it for season 3. Is that okay?" And he's just like, "I I don't care. Why did you even Okay, we'll have to keep an eye on that actor though. See where he ends up because wherever he turns up in any movie now, he is going to be Jacob. >> He is going to be Jacob. >> He's better be slamming laptops. What you [ __ ] bring me, dude? You guys ready? >> Yes. >> Yeah, let's do it. >> Go. >> Oh god, here we are. >> The action begins. >> Fair citizens of Gotham City. >> You think that the actor playing Black Mask feels cringy when he does his Black Mass voice? I was about to say like this voice goddamn city. >> He's like, "Can't you just do a filter like you did for Bad Affleck?" They're like, "No, >> this isn't America's Funniest Pets." >> You just turn it off. >> Turn it off. >> You just turn off the TV. Yeah. >> Defund the police. >> Wait, how has he done this? I don't know if he just The GCPD can't afford the hole in its donut. >> I love donuts. House of you and don't even get me started on Batoman operating without >> Oh, is the cringy evil Batoman sign in her way? Why? >> Oh, yeah. Evil. >> Why would she keep the bat symbol? Why would she want to keep the bat symbol? >> I don't know. >> Oh, the skull. >> Oh, she's got her own skull. Bat mask. >> Do you think Do you think there's people who've asked Ruby Rose if she's still watching this show and she just looks at them like [ __ ] What do you mean? >> My god, no. This show's still on. I've dropped masks at a dozen street corners. >> Wait, they do it vif for vendetta. >> Oh, [ __ ] Yeah, >> they are. >> Both this broadcast and providing all the masks. That's really cringey. >> So, he just passes out masks and says, "Everyone be a vigilante." >> Yeah. >> Wouldn't you think that's the the gist of it? >> You know what they say about power harm? >> Use it. >> Oh, I thought they say power corrupts, but >> he's clearly evil. Oh god. Watch crossover. >> So Black Masters has all of the power. Like >> I didn't even know. Did anyone know that this was his plan? Like when was this a thing? >> I don't know. >> So I guess this is what he wants to do. >> I loved being Batoman and I want you. >> Shouldn't you be doing something? >> Never took anything. >> Yeah. What is What is this? >> You have bat candles ready? What? >> Okay. for that flash. >> Was that to remind us that they've lost all this stupid bat weapons? >> She looked at the empty cabinet and then they showed us a flashback to an empty cabinet where it was empty. >> Why are you writing this instead of acting? >> Do you think that's actually the actress writing? >> I don't know. I wonder if it was just on set taking it was just taking notes on set and it was filming. What are you doing? Like >> they might require a double for better handwriting. >> That's what I'm saying. Like you're that you just can't write legibly. >> Number two, get Kate back. Number three, apprehend black mask. >> I hope you reference in your list that this is all your fault. >> Even if we did find Kate without the internet, without Wayne satellites, without phones, >> this could be a cool concept like an EMP goes off and so that you have to do things the old school way. >> Yeah, they'll [ __ ] it up. Oh, he's about to close that laptop. Don't you dare. You don't have the right. >> There has to be something that we're not thinking of. >> Shouldn't you be busy running a clinic when there's no power? Shouldn't you be very busy? What? How do you keep the insulin cold? possibly have people in serious peril right now if they're on life support things. >> It's like the Wonderland gag. It just ts up whatever. >> I need to head back to the clinic and prep for a very busy night. >> She just said she needs to head back to the clinic. >> Wow. >> Oh my god. >> Sometimes they Sometimes they remember. >> That reminds me. They max out after 5 miles, but they're better than nothing. >> Surely he won't be at least 5 miles away, right? >> I was going to say, why would they be further than that? I wonder if it'll be a plot point that they're exactly 5 miles out and it's like >> Black Mask is 57 miles away. >> I'm at 5% battery and I have no idea where Black Mask is broadcasting from. >> How are you? >> Uh, no. >> I'm sorry. What are they seeing? How did that reflect that way? Is that a reflection? They animated that. They are that they are doing it. Yeah. Why would it possibly reflect? That was so bad. >> Why the [ __ ] would you allow him to inject you with this weird goo that they found in a basement? Why would you do this? There's no reason to assume this won't just kill him. >> The doctor's wearing the mask, too. >> Also, this show can't afford to do like prosthetics to make him bane. >> Be [ __ ] Lame Bane. >> Look at the amount of bubbles in there. Holy [ __ ] >> He's water He's water cooled. He's a water cooled villain. >> Yeah. What are they injecting into her? >> It's just going into his shirt. It was his [ __ ] It's going into his [ __ ] >> He has a superpowered shirt. >> So, you're building an indestructible army. >> What if the US military comes indestructible? He's really strong. >> That mask must be very annoying having that mask covering up your face all the time. >> Yeah. You know what I found weird, by the way? She said that he's building an invincible army with this stuff that was brought in last night. It's like, was this your plan? >> You only have a little bit. a little bit. Yeah. >> Exactly. >> Ignored my whole plan the whole time to build the whole army out of your venom. >> Worthwhile to do some research into Venom to see if you can produce it. >> Oh, there we go. He's dead. >> No, he's going to turn into a villain. They're not >> They'll fake us out. Yeah, there's no way they would kill him. >> Yeah, they'll fake us out. >> There's There's the fake out. >> Oh, no. He's definitely dead. I just want to see what they'll make him look like. Do you think it'll just be the makeup where it's got the veins all over him or something and that's it? >> Probably. It's going to be some crap. Oh, and he's going to kill the doctor. He's going to be like, "Oh, I'm evil." And then he's going to grab the doctor. >> I'm so angry. >> He is. He's definitely >> Gotham Live logo. Over. >> No, he's not. >> How'd you get online? Over. We can't talk on top of each other. >> Whatever. Over. >> No, don't make fun of that. >> How did you not know that? Everyone knows that. >> Hope you can read a map. Over. We'll radio when we get there. >> Over and out. >> This was a date. >> Over and out. >> [ __ ] >> We don't care. Okay. >> Yes. Sophie should care more than anyone else. >> But why would you establish it and then just ignore it a second later? >> Sophie. Cersei is strong and she's ruthless. >> And you're Batoman. >> Am I without the suit? >> Oh my god. I am not interested in her like being like, "Oh, maybe I shouldn't be Batoman. The suit." It's like by the end of the episode, you'll be like, "Yeah, I'm Batoman." And this chick's about to learn that the hard way. >> She beat the [ __ ] out of you the last time you met. And that's when you had >> Couldn't we have had one episode without her? >> Cersei played us. I know. Safia told me. Wait, Safia is still in Gotham. >> She's laying on a beach because Alice decided to stasis her. It's so weird. >> Oh god. Gotham and anarchy. Wait, so the civilians were just like, "Fuck it. Let's destroy everything." >> I Yeah, I guess everybody was just >> What was that move, >> man? That guy's in a lot of trouble. >> Oh, we're doing an action scene. >> I don't believe >> I like how they can only afford this one street. Like, you can see that there just this one street that they >> Oh, it's Blackman. >> Help the blackman. No, he's falling over. No, >> it's May. >> Oh, it's the may Oh, he's dead. Are these bullets? >> Bullet holes, rather. >> Was he shot? >> So, he just passes out. Everyone goes [ __ ] mode and wrecks everything. >> I don't know what the [ __ ] happening. >> Shot through his lungs. >> I was going to say he's definitely dead if those are bullets. >> Yeah. >> Remember when you needed someone to stand behind so Fost's bullets didn't hit you? >> It sounds like False Face when she says it. >> It's not that hard to say. False face. >> Let me guess. You don't feel confident fighting without your super suit. And don't >> I'm so sick of I'm so sick of Alice. I'm so sick of her. >> She sucks. She's like the worst. >> She does two things over and over. >> Just say the magic words. Come. I need you. >> She's going to be the whole episode. >> She's not going to die. She won't. They're going to She's going to need her for season 3 to do things. >> Oh, idiot. >> Oh, what's he going to bump into? What's he going to find? >> Ah, he's going to find the He's going to find Yeah. Yeah. There it is. >> Oh, okay. >> Look at that. It even says Luke Fox on it. >> Wow. Bruce the little >> Oh, is it Luke's toys? >> That's great. >> I think they are. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. That was I thought it was Bruce's drawing. >> And I guess the implication is Batman actually like meaningfully tried to think about it. >> Yeah. >> Oh, look at the things in the background. >> Oh. Oh, maybe that was Lucious did it. >> Oh, yeah. We can't give any [ __ ] Batman. >> This is a more orchestral version of the theme. They're trying. This is quite funny to me cuz the first time the theme came in in episode one, it was just garbage. Oh my god. >> This was here the whole time. >> You did the whole time. >> You just never looked in this part of the cave. I don't believe you. >> Oh my god. It closed. That's not Iron Man. >> Like, how is it that there's a cave portion that was only accessible to Kate Kane, but not Luke Fox. >> Yeah, that's weird. >> You need oxygen. >> Have you tried breathing? >> Oh. >> Oh, you've got to be kidding me. >> You know, >> well, unfortunate. Oh, look at his arms. I think he's wearing like some kind of thing. >> It's plump plumped into him. Yeah, >> I remember him being this. >> They plumped him. >> Why would you have that go into the Those cords look like they're very vulnerable? >> Got to get snake bite. Batman shut down the manufacturer. There shouldn't be any left in the >> Yeah, that woman is great. He knows someone. No, of course there's going to be some out on the street. There's a lot of >> It's being atomized through the respirator. >> He's going to wake up. He's going to wake up. Oh, the CIA. How come there's still crack? Like it that's not how it works. roof >> makes the memories last forever. >> What? >> I got to go. >> What's What's I missed that? I don't [ __ ] know. >> I don't >> Oh, so wait. So, she didn't take the Batmobile out. >> Nope. >> Okay. >> She said something about the memories last forever. Maybe that is a thing she can use to get kids memories back. I think that was the >> snake bite. Give her a snake bite. >> Snake bite with something with the whatever he has. I I don't know. I didn't quite get it. >> Be a superhero these days, don't they? >> So, [ __ ] you, Alice. What happened to the bat suit? Is it only been cut up? Was there only that one? >> Uh, I think it's I think it's been cut up and then they'll Yeah. >> By killing Ocean, she made sure I would spend the rest of my life in egg. >> Oh, [ __ ] off. You're doing your thing again. >> Uh, yep. Now, we're talking about sad for the delivery. >> That's gimmick one. Now we're here to gimmick two. >> I get why you hate me. >> I mean, >> yeah, you killed your mom. It's fine. Move on. Remember Alice is >> No, put the masks on before you let leave the car. What is wrong with you? No, >> this scene is established that this is Beth now with Alice Queen. >> I said I'm sorry. >> What do you want? >> Forgiveness. You don't deserve my forgiveness. >> He doesn't deserve life. >> Well, the problem is the way they've written it now is that Beth didn't kill him and Alice did. >> Which is why I'm here. Which is why you're so desperate to get Kate back because >> Don't you guys have a job to do? Nah, let's do drama instead. you. Your biological mother died in childbirth, right? >> Um, >> when a girl leaves me at the whims of a madman with a fingernail extractor, my first task upon escaping is to learn everything about her. And I know that your first act on this earth resulted in mommy's death. So, you want to point fingers? >> That wasn't her fault. >> Yeah, this is this is >> I think that's fair. No, I I think Well, if you remember, she ditched her, so that's something. >> We are going to find Kate. Then I'm going to do everything in my power to dump your ass behind bars. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. Ditch her. Yeah, that's her. >> Well, Alice is talking about like I got my fingernails extracted because you left me to black mask. It's like, yeah, but >> yeah, that's fair. Um, but why you can't be saying like, oh yeah, you you first thing you >> Oh god, that looks so stupid. >> He's got the veins. You're right. He's got the veins. >> He's also got pads. He's wearing like pads. >> Yeah. >> Why are you so angry? >> Because it's the venom. He's mad. >> This is a Hail Mary. >> I was just going to say, remember this season established that it was all his Winter Soldier situation. It was all Alice. It wasn't Beth that did all this stuff. She's dead now. So, like >> they're not addressing that. And it's like, but that's what you guys told us was the case. So, I don't know. >> Luke, >> did I lose you? >> I'm 5 miles away. >> Can you hear me? >> Yeah. >> Yes. Copy. There's no [ __ ] way that the bat cave is 5 miles from here. >> Oh, come on. >> Oh. >> Oh my god. Over. >> Oh my god. Why is there Anarchy in >> Why is everyone going crazy? >> Yeah. Why is this happening? >> Guys, you're ruining all of your sets. Stop it. >> Maybe they thought there wouldn't be a third season, so they're just like, "Fuck it." >> Oh, that looks so bad. >> That looks so bad. >> Wow, that small. That is very small. >> I remember being thicker. No. Oh, >> this looks like it's going to end well. >> Oh god, the music. >> Why didn't you put the masks on then? >> Fight scene's coming. >> Why do you have >> Why did they have masks? >> Oh, >> there it is. >> Oh god. Evil hit him with a stick. >> Why do you not have guns? >> I'm going to use my own staff against me. >> Yeah, it's not yours. >> Yeah, it's not even yours. >> It's neither of you. >> Why did it bounce off? >> You're really going to stab your own sister in the back? It's kind of our thing. >> Oh. Oh, >> you know the so good when he wrote that. >> A >> you can't do that. >> That's like locked in place underneath. That's how those tables are. >> Oh, he's using guns. >> That's not That is far from table, >> dude. That's one of the gimmick tables they use in wrestling where they throw someone through it. That's the thickness of this. >> That's how thick this is. >> Quickly miss. Just miss over. Oh, he's out. He's out. There you go. >> Oh, should I reload? >> I know. Wait, are we doing Black Mass versus Alice and Batoman versus Batoman? >> Doesn't have henchmen. >> Guys, just turn off the TV and play some Monopoly or something. >> No, they're listening to Rachel Mad, right? >> Yeah. >> Maybe it's a job for all of you now to trust what you know in your heart. >> Oh, she's going to try and say like, "Everyone rise up and be vigilantes against all of the criminals." >> Is that one of those skull masks? Why is that in the >> What did I tell you about those things, Billy? >> Our neighbors put one up in their window. Can we >> Wait, has he got a little turntable thing for it? >> Yeah, I don't know why. >> Well, I'll be damned. >> Let's spray paint it pink and be Batoman. >> What is he doing? >> I hate >> I think the thing the the the thing she took from him is the one that prevents the roid rage, I think. >> But like, how did she hide from him? He could see it. >> I I don't know. >> Oh, there we go. How did you How was that possible? >> He's literally described to be stronger than strong. Like, what the hell? >> Right. And Luke Luke's going to come and save her. >> Well, you're [ __ ] Well, yeah, he should be too late. He's already crushed her ankle. >> That's >> Oh no, my face maker. >> I'm so angry. >> I'm very upset that you did that to me. >> You're really annoying. >> Out away. Who could it be? >> Cut away. figure that he's so fast. >> How is he not catching up? >> Away or neither of us get it right. That was great. I love that. >> What was the other video? >> Oh, what? >> You're still dead. >> Her momentum just stopped. That spine is going >> Yeah. >> Uh-huh. >> Don't take the mask off, you [ __ ] What is happening? It's >> a great question. >> Yeah. >> So, why one of the characters randomly turned into a superhero as you were following? >> Why does he have a jetpack? >> Why did Batman have a jetpack? Cuz Batman sucks. >> Not so close that you >> Wait, where's the other guy? Fake Bane. >> Yeah, where did he go? >> I guess he just was like, >> he's heading down this whole time raging like god damn it. >> I'm coming to get you. >> Uh, what? >> What's this? What's going on? They put the Batoman thing on the mask. >> They want Batoman. >> What? >> What the [ __ ] >> Why? Why? Where did this start? >> No [ __ ] way. How was that coordinated? >> That's insanity. >> How are they doing that? >> I'll do it. >> Just making [ __ ] up. Making >> [ __ ] trash again. Trash is so annoying. Oh, we're rematching. >> Oh, this is a showdown. How are you? >> Justice. Wow. Oh Jesus. >> Oh my god. >> Looks so cocky. >> That woman is like redundant now. >> His helmet. It's because his helmet is so >> bleed, [ __ ] >> You want to know why you failed as a villain? >> Did you just say she's failed as a villain? That's true. >> Yeah, >> Black Masters don't understand. She has so much plot armor. >> How is he beating her up? He's an older guy. Maybe he's still strong. >> Can't be. >> Also, she's Alice. He shouldn't be able to touch her. Really? >> You can't hate Batoman and protect her identity. You can't hate your sister and risk your life for her. See, it's confusing. You can't sell a confusing message. >> He's summing up how shitty written she is. >> You know who is a great villain? >> The Joker. >> Wow. >> A lame. >> Good luck with your message. >> It won't come off. >> And she uh >> and she won't kill him. >> No. Also, can can we just She just said, "You know who was a great villain?" Joker. It's like Joker. >> Oh, that is >> that is like That is right. It's like It's like someone's pissing in my mouth. >> Batman killed a great villain. >> Just say like >> it just it just felt like like we all like Joker, don't we guys? Everyone likes Joker. Joker's pretty cool. Look >> character that you paged. Yeah. >> Where's she even going? Are there like city workers or something that are trying to restore power or is that all under his control? Did >> I miss something? Where's Where's she going? Why is she driving away from the city? >> How did she catch up to her? What's happening? >> I don't know. >> They use the map. >> I don't know. Oh my god. The [ __ ] >> You [ __ ] now. >> CGI Calrops. >> Road hazard. Wait, how did you dodge them? They were across the whole road. >> Wait, Batmobile doesn't have tires that are just like thick and tough. >> Rubber bullets. >> Oh, that looks great. That looks >> like that. That could easily kill her. Like, >> yeah. >> Oh, well. >> Did you give up with the rubber bullet thing? Are you just done? >> Yeah, she gave up. It didn't work. >> Okay. >> Also, wow, a lot of people on the road. I guess they're all like leaving Gotham cuz [ __ ] this place. >> [ __ ] this place. >> You're showing the street lights on. >> Oh, nice green screen. >> What? >> Oh, okay. >> I thought you had uh >> actual rockets. Okay, you did great. Well done. >> That looks like a real explosion, though. So, high five. >> Oh, not so bad. >> Yeah. >> Oh, there you go. Got it. >> Bad. >> I would have let off with that one, I guess. >> Yeah. >> Walk it off. >> Walk it off. Yeah. >> Oh, time for a big battle. >> You missed. >> Oh, >> wow. >> The thing is Kate has all >> Kate has the armor, all her gadgets, and she's a better fighter. So, how party. >> Yeah, but they put up mask with her sign on it, so it's fine. >> Time to give up, Ryan. Call me that woman. >> Yeah, probably. >> Dude, they keep having Kate do evil faces. It's kind of funny. She's like me. >> Oh, who the [ __ ] this? >> Oh, no. >> Oh, you got here. Okay. >> Alice so fast. >> You just ran into >> What? Why did you do that, Alice? What the [ __ ] >> Okay. Well, bye. >> I think they just wanted the imagery of them falling over a bridge again, >> but they did it really poorly because they can't do [ __ ] >> Oh, no. All those WMDs. No, >> infecting the waters. >> The hats. >> Hats of mass destru distraction. >> Please both. >> Wait, why are you knocked out? All you did was fall like, you know, >> Yeah, it's fine. If you're knocked out, you've got a very >> Oh god, dream sequencing coming. >> Oh, she sniffed some of the she sniffed some of the snake bite, so she gets like the good hallucinations. >> Oh, but I don't care about ocean. >> Her good memories were of ocean on that dirty nasty. >> Ocean suck. >> Tiana got the jump on you because you were booking us a vacation. >> How could you possibly have? >> So you and I could disappear together on the other side of the claw. >> Dude, this is this is just an illusion in your head. Like >> just made that up for yourself. >> You're doing the forgiving yourself with ghost thing. Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> All we know he was having he was having a wank right there and got stabbed. >> He turned around and she was there. >> Safia was like, "Can you please zip all that up and then I'll kill you?" And he's like, "Yeah, okay." >> I think you're missing the point. >> Just end. I don't care. >> You're missing the point. You're drowning right now. You should probably wake up. Say goodbye to me. >> No. No. >> Stop. This is the shittiest finale ever. >> What the hell? >> Go back to the >> she go back to discom suit. >> What? What? >> I guess they're both dead then. >> Yes, please. >> I like how our heroes on the bridge are doing nothing. >> Shooting. She's shooting a truck. >> Yeah, Ryan's not done anything. She could have jumped in to help him, but she's just like, "Are you guys okay?" >> Hello. Do you need help? Over. >> Oh, do you guys remember this thing where they like spoke to each other through the wall or whatever? >> Yeah, they could have avoided all of this. >> It's like thematically it's so meaningful. >> Oh, and the music is so tryhard. So cringey >> trying. >> I just It amuses me how much Jacob's just completely removed from all of this. They never gave a [ __ ] about him. Their dad worked tirelessly to try to help both of them and he's just wonder if they'll even mention him before this episode ends. Not >> remember the only mention he's gotten so far is from [ __ ] black mask. >> Is trying so hard. Ryan, >> you walked down here. Wow, what a hero. Jump. >> Want to get wet. >> I'm so scared. >> One, two, three. >> You're going to have to do harder than that. >> Give a big old kiss. >> Yeah, that's uh You're just massaging the breasticults. You're not doing anything. >> Big old kiss. >> Oh, come trying to convince us. She's not going to kill her. She's going to come back. >> I like how she did it once. It's like nothing's happening. You know that like CPR takes a while, right? Like you got to do it for a long time possibly. >> And haven't there been like many instances of um Alice tried to actually kill Kate? >> There you go. >> Gross. Yeah, there it is. >> I like how Alice didn't get any of this to happen to her. She was fine. >> Why are the police here? >> Wait. Yeah. Why? I guess maybe someone called them because they the bridge. I don't [ __ ] know. Either way, they got to get out of >> Have you heard what's happening in Gotham? We cannot investigate a bridge. All three of them are hyper criminals. They're all hyper criminals. >> Wonderland gang. >> Yeah. All three of them have to go to prison. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Dude, all three of them. Grab all three of them. They all got to go. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Woman, what are you wearing? >> Like the first time normal GCPD police officers come around see like this [ __ ] Get her. >> Wait, the black armor stuff is unresolved. He's still like >> wait overthrow. Gotham rejected Black Mask's call to overthrow the government last night. Word is leaders of both the False Space Society and the Wonderland gang are on route to Arkham. >> I didn't even know that existed anymore. >> I can't believe we're ending. We haven't There's loads of stuff we haven't done. >> So, Miss Wilder, I see that you've been out of Black Gate for 14 months and that your PO has requested that you be released from restrictions early. >> Oh, is she going to tell off this white guy? Have you changed? And how >> um how would this be happening when she was arrested for snake bite and stuff? >> I guess that's being >> clear. How do they clear that? >> I am still the good, caring, intelligent human being I was the day I was wrongly arrested. >> Wow. Describe yourself saying these things about yourself. Yeah. >> Kind of funny, right? Because if you say it's like, oh, wow. Humbleness. That's definitely strong, isn't it? >> I suppose she has to in this scenario because you have to argue why you >> whatever. But since I know this committee wants to do the right thing today, allow me to give you the answer you need. Yes, I've changed. >> All right, lock her up. >> I've changed because I stopped seeing myself the way you see me and started seeing myself who I am. >> I I like how they saw the uh they saw like the ending of Shaw Shank. They're like, "Yeah, let's try and do that." >> It's She's like, "I stopped seeing myself the way you see me." He's like, you mean as a person who was like smuggling drugs, which is something you did like I you say it like you didn't do that. >> Wait, you did you did you did break the law, right? You did >> in a significant way. >> Is that the guy whose laptop they stole >> on behalf of the powerless? >> I think so. Yeah. I don't know. >> I hereby deem the supervision of the parole Ryan Wilder unnecessary. >> This is our season finale conclusion. >> How did that get him to agree? She basically said, "I was perfect the whole time and I haven't changed." Did the black mask influence over the police just disappear? I'm confused. >> I guessed cuz he got acidfaced. >> Oh, that'll do that. >> That's all we got was punch from Iron Luke. Also, why do we trust that she's not psionist still? Do we just assume it was >> They had a dramatic >> They just assume it worked. >> They heard the music. >> Anyway, Ryan zip lines us out of there like a boss and saves the day per usual. Is Alice in prison? That's at least something satisfactory, but she'll get out. >> This is just Batoman congratulating ever sat around. >> This is what I mean. It's just I I don't like this kind of [ __ ] content where it's just people talking about how great they are. >> Yeah. >> When they're not great at all. >> Watch that. When they're really bad. Yeah. >> When I was a kid, I drew pictures of how I imagined a black Batman would look. >> Luke said, "I drew pictures of how I thought a black Batman would look." Cuz like the same >> the same but black. >> But milliondollar question, how does Alice fit into those plants? >> Did you staple your hair? >> Let it rot in prison. >> You know, I spend so long thinking that it was up to me to bring Beth out of Alice. >> Did your face not come off in the river? >> Alice brought out. >> This is one day just falls off when she's doing groceries. >> Yeah. Oh, [ __ ] Like, oh god. Oh jeez. >> Am I interrupting? >> Not at all. >> No. Get out. I mean, you have been for a season. >> So, did he do anything? Did he fight? What happened to Discount Bane? Did he just get punched into that car? That's >> just We only got one car. >> We only got one iron Luke punch. That's it. >> Yeah, you had you have you have Black Mask still out there on Bane. Fake Bane. >> We didn't resolve the villain plot at all stuff. >> They're being they're being all triumphant right now. It's like you didn't do anything. >> It's still the whole town full of criminals beating things and destroying. What? How did that get >> naturally conclude? >> They might be an arch, but there's still fire everywhere. >> If you remember, this season got shut short. So, there was there was more, but uh >> Oh, jeez. >> It could be that they were literally cut short at this episode. >> You know better than anyone what that symbol means to people who have no hope left. and >> so I guess the police is still evil and corrupt. >> There you go. Kane's given up the mantle. You can be Batoman. >> Uhhuh. Give me Jacob. Kate would never give up the suit. >> They are my family. >> Yeah, that's absolutely not. >> Dude, I think the the show's forgotten why Kate started doing this. >> Mhm. >> Not so someone else could just take over randomly. It's like no. >> Imagine you miss the season and you join in season 3 and it was like, "Yeah, this is Kate Kane." You're like, "Wait, what? Oh, is this both of them leaving the show? >> See, they'll get a goodbye scene. They'll Everyone Jacob though, [ __ ] him. >> I'm There's no time for Jacob, is there? >> First to see my dad and their friend in National City. Then I'm off to find Bruce. >> Off to find Bruce. >> Bruce is alive and trapped somewhere. >> I'm pretty sure Bruce does not need your help. What What lead does she have for Bruce? Exactly. >> I really hope for your sake that she can compete with us. A lot of I'm sure a lot of women can >> Oh god, the music is so bad. >> Bar open. It's >> weird to just hang out at a closed restaurant. >> So bad. It's so [ __ ] bad. >> The last night. >> Oh, he's putting the back crossbow back. >> At least we got it. We got to see it used. >> It's just a crossbow, unfortunately. That's all it is. >> It doesn't do anything badish. And now that your clinic is legit, I was thinking, what if we built our community center above it? >> Can we get Jacob back? >> Yeah, that building belongs to somebody. And where are you going? >> Just tying up loose end. >> Everything's worked out. Oh, tying up loose sand. It's not going to be Jacob. It's going to be someone else. >> That's That would be wishful thinking. >> Oh, it's Alice. Alice gets a [ __ ] law scene. >> [ __ ] you, Alice. >> You know that she'll break out. Oh, wait. block a mask. >> They let him keep the mask. >> Are they not going to make a meaningful effort to get that mask off his face? They're just going to leave it on him. >> Yeah. >> Is that the meme now? That's like stuck to me. >> Make it quick. >> So, there is no Roman psionist. There is only black mask. >> She bright that guy. >> I thought, >> okay, >> I only gave him 40 bucks. Well, >> here you have it. >> Oh, >> I thought it was To be fair, Alice, what the [ __ ] was your goal? Like, what were you even going to be doing now that Kate's done? So, she has no plot line. This is justice for my mom. >> You should be in prison, too. >> Yeah, you really are. >> You little [ __ ] Just keep calling everyone else out. >> I hope we never see each other again. >> You will. >> Funny you should mention mothers. Your adopted mother is dead, but maybe there's a little wiggle room for biom. Your mother didn't die in childbirth. Ry Ry. >> How would you know? How would Alice know? >> My dearest is still very much alive. >> Whoa. Oh, what a hook for season 3. Oh my god. >> I don't care. >> Nobody cares. >> Also, how would Alice know that? I'm sure they'll invent people. Just random people going to pick up these weapons and become [ __ ] off. I'm the penguin now. I have the penguin umbrella >> flying around. >> Oh, poison ivy's out. >> Probably the best CGI we've seen. I was about to say that actually looks better than I don't >> I was about Never mind. I take it back immediately. >> So what? Like the Poison Ivy Jacob? >> Yeah, I know. The Poison Ivy stuff's just going to grab some random lady and she'll just be Poison Ivy. That'll be it, I guess. >> Oh god. Will it be like the Jamanji vines? Those creepy ass [ __ ] killer plants. >> [ __ ] me. What a horrible [ __ ] ending. >> That was terrible. >> That was awful. That was [ __ ] And yet the last scene we had for Jacob in this season was just him calling from the cell being like, "Yeah, I'm done. So bye." >> As far as we know, he doesn't even know what's happened. >> No, no one cares that he finds out. It's so bad. >> Yeah. [ __ ] me. >> How if Kate Kane didn't care about him at all? >> Yeah. Where she I have to go find my dad. I have to go talk to my dad. She's like, "No, I got to go find Batman." It's like, >> no, no, to be fair. To be fair, she said at the end she's going to go visit dad and then go find Bruce. But that's all that's that's all. But that's all. You can't pull some strings. You can't do some stuff to get this. >> Remember, he's in prison because he helped try to rescue her. That's why. >> Mhm. >> We'll break [ __ ] dumbass out of prison every time we need to. But not him. >> Cuz he's in prison for Yeah. working with Alice essentially >> for like one hour compared to every other character who's worked with her on several missions for many. Oh, I hate it so much. Justice for Jacob. And that's, by the way, we didn't even realize it. That was the last Jacob content when he was on that phone in that prison. That's it. Yeah, we didn't know. >> We didn't know. >> We had no clue. That was it. That was it. The act he must have been [ __ ] Gray Scott must have been >> Maybe he was just relieved to get it over with. But there must have been a part that was like I can't believe this is two seasons of my character and this is how I exit the show. That's [ __ ] pathetic. >> Yeah, it's really bad actually. That's super lame. >> Would have been way better if he died finally getting Kate safe or something like that. You could have >> Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought he'd get like a heroic. He's s a self-sacrifice kind of thing, but no, he's just in prison someplace. >> He's in prison for something that like is done all the time by all the other characters. It's amazing. The amount of times Alice has jumped onto a mission with these people. I can't believe Alice was captured, by the way. Like, it seems so arbitrary. It's just like today she went to prison. Okay. >> Also, Bane, >> also Poison Ivy, also Mr. Freeze we're getting as well. I >> And honestly, man, like without Jacobs, like this show's lost like unironically a significant portion of what I enjoy. >> Everyone off the roof now. >> I think it's Yeah, that's the thing. It's going to be much harder to get value out of it. I think >> he like legitimately struggled constantly because the show was so against him. >> Yeah. And that's like that's something, you know, that's >> he's trying and it's fundamental motivation of I just want to see my daughter's safe and he gets punished for it all the time. >> Yeah. Now I'm just getting sad. >> They introduced superhero Luke to have him save Mary from falling and then punch a guy and that was it. >> Well, season 3 is probably going to >> Oh god, it'll be so bad. >> Turns out there was a suit in the Batcave the whole time. Yep. >> Can't believe the devil checked this place. >> Like I was like there was no hesitation. He was just like, "Yeah, I mean, it's meant for me, so I'll use it, I guess." It's like, "Oh, >> yeah, >> that was all it required. You just had to see it. All this time you spent looking after this place when Bruce had left. You didn't check any of this stuff, but why didn't you just [ __ ] become Batman then? Are you so willing to become vast mass vigilante person?" I I don't know. And like they've put Blast I think they actually injured Black Mask maybe just in case they can't get the actor back. Like they [ __ ] his face up so they can just bring someone else in. Maybe they do that all the time this show. >> Yeah, that's the thing this show has to account for. what if the actor won't come back or we can't we have to do something with the character >> cuz other shows are like of course you're coming back you want the money and it's successful it's like but this show you're like well I mean it's really embarrassing so I don't know so yeah what can we say that's season two way worse than season one I don't know what else to say >> yeah season two was super pendering as [ __ ] so many episodes >> lots of really stupid [ __ ] as well like like season one but I don't know something ain't right something's all broken with Batoman The whole stuff was so [ __ ] slow. Like every time we got to Ellis, like it's slog. >> All the ocean [ __ ] and the saf [ __ ] Oh god, I could do without that. Please. >> Sucked. They had that whole island and they never went back to the island. They they didn't uh they they couldn't pay for it anymore and so they got they got rid of it. >> They told us it's being rebuilt. >> Yeah. Yeah. We'll never see it again. >> Well, maybe he's just gone. I don't know what with him cuz they really built him up as like a super evil white man villain and he's just sort of not around. I don't know what happened. >> There is an article out there that's like he's a great representation of white male rage. That's what he is. Toxic masculinity. >> Yeah, man. Like all of the the history they gave Alice to try and justify cuz like we we've always theorized that they'll make her a good guy and they're still playing with knocking her back and forth because you know that they don't want to end that story. It's like that thing where you never want two people who um are kind of in love to ever get together cuz that it ruins it. It's like if we ever make Alice a good guy, it should be the end of the show. And that's probably what they're doing. They're like she's almost a good guy. It's like yeah, but we can't make her a good guy yet. We got season 3. It's like okay fine. She look she did something mean at the end. There you go. She's not a good guy yet. >> And what was the ultimate point of reintroducing Kate Kane? Cuz the biggest payoff for that was with the father and they don't do anything. Well, I I think I think it's because isn't there like the trope of killing uh like >> gay people >> uh gay characters? So, >> well, to be fair, they could have just said she she went somewhere, right? >> They could have, but I guess they figured that that wouldn't be good enough either. >> It's like a major plot point in this and like what do we gain from it? And it's like I guess we get the >> they're like well Ryan questions whether or not she should continue as Batman, but then she realizes that ultimately she is Batman. You're like, "Yeah, yeah, >> exactly. just like, "Yeah, okay, cool. You spent a lot of time on this. You could have done something else." >> Remember the mayor who like got shot twice? >> Yeah. >> I I think that's the through line of this finale is like, how many plot points were left unresolved? >> So many plot points are just like we don't know what happened. >> We get the the season 3 premiere is out in [ __ ] two days. >> Wow. >> For us, that's insane. Like we we just finished this climax. It's like don't want to be >> fresh our minds. Yeah. >> I mean, yeah. continuity is going to be a lot. >> I will say it show. Um, but like Jesus Christ, the Alice stuff, if it was all that, I think we would give up. >> I think I would give up. I I don't think I can deal with that. It's just >> Oh, yeah. If it was just the Alice stuff, [ __ ] it. I want to see Batoman in her insane incompetence. >> But I guess that's the thing is we've lost our original Batoman, who I prefer. Um, and we've lost Jacob, who I actually like, like unironically. So, now what? >> We've got Luke, which we'll have to see. Hopefully, we can forget about his whole desire to kill himself cuz racism. >> Well, it feels like the show's forgotten about it already. So, >> he had one episode of being reckless and now he's a superhero. It's like, okay, >> now he's a Yeah, now he's going to beat you at poker or whatever they played. Good. Good on you, I guess. >> Yeah, but that random character from a different show just showed up. It's like, hello. So stupid. >> That's wild. >> Yeah. Season three presumably then will be Batoman and is he called Nightwing? >> Uh I think it's called Batwing. >> Okay. >> Nightwing and Dick Bryson. >> All right then. Batwing and Batoman versus Fake Bane. Cuz I assume >> unless they just forget about Fake Bane. >> I don't think they will. Why did they show him again if if if we're just going to ignore him? >> I don't know. Maybe the people won't I because the people who watch this show if you just tell them that oh he's in prison. If you just say, "Oh, he's in prison." >> Then the people watch this show, that will be fine enough. He's just in prison. We never got the that was the final showdown between Luke and him, I guess, was, "Oh, he's done." >> The target demographic is so [ __ ] that it's like Jacob could just show up in the Crow's office and be like, "Wait, what? Weren't you in prison when the Crows disbanded?" And he'd be like, "Yeah, I mean, they let me go because of obviously the charges were false and and the Crows were never dissolved. They just were put on pause." And you're like, "Oh, >> oh, all right. >> All right. They just do that cuz they don't care about anything. Yeah. And we got we got Mary's >> Mary's like expanding the hospital. We're going to have like a hostel above it and it's going to be a whole facility to take care of people and clean up Gotham. There's no [ __ ] way that this this is going past season 3, right? Like someone needs to stop them. >> No way. >> Someone needs >> They can't keep getting away with this. >> They need to be the writers need to be stopped. What a finale. >> Yeah. What else can you say? I can't even remember. What was the finale of season one? I'm assuming it was better. >> Oh, it was the Naruto guy with the swords. >> It was great. I love that episode. >> That was a great finale. Yeah, >> it was. >> That was amazing finale, actually. Yeah. Just puts things into perspective, doesn't it? >> I don't mean to be a doubter, but like this one was so much worse. And I think it's more so just knowing what's happened in this season and what they've done to what we loved about Batoman. Yeah, >> you're ruining it. Writers, you see what they need to do is be watching the Eat Minis and and then making the show accordingly. >> It would be so cool if they actually did that. They were like, "Okay, so they want more." What exactly? Like like Jacob >> Jacob came back. >> The thing is he's [ __ ] left, so they can't get him back now. It's too late. They [ __ ] it up. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah, idiot. >> I just Not actually, but like imagine they introduce like a Daredevil type character who's just brand new on his own and he actually like starts to clean up Gotham. Imagine they were actually watching us and those like two days before the first episode released and they're like panicking like what do we do? What do we do? They haven't [ __ ] pulled out the other episodes yet. Is it good? [ __ ] I don't know. >> It's like they got rid of Jacob to try and please us cuz we meme him so much and they're like that must be it. That's what they wanted, right? And then they see these episodes like oh no. >> How could we have possibly known that this was the good character? >> You guys like Alice, don't you? You keep saying to kill her, but that's all jokes, right? Aha. We like memes too here at the CW. What is >> Oh boy. What else is there? >> What else left is there to say? >> Goodbye, Batman. What'd you bring