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The hosts begin by addressing the broader context of The CW's recent strategic moves, noting that acquiring *Babylon 5* rights serves as a risky gamble following significant declines in viewership for flagship shows like *The Flash*. This discussion naturally transitions into their review of the upcoming crossover event "Armageddon" and the controversial transition from Ruby Rose to Mary Elizabeth Williams as Batwoman. While they acknowledge the character's memory loss plotline, the group expresses mixed feelings about the recasting, which sets a tone of dissatisfaction that permeates their critique of the episode "Kane Kate." Central to their frustration is the show's handling of its characters and writing, particularly regarding the abrupt dismissal of Jacob Kane. The speakers argue that the writers showed no respect for his character, effectively ruining him after just one episode by ignoring the emotional impact on loyal fans who had invested in his journey. This sentiment extends to other beloved figures like Luke Fox, whom they feel has been "super ruined" despite his potential as a badass character, and Alice, whose recent storyline is criticized for being boring and mishandling her past actions, such as the murder of a bystander in Season 1. The hosts also express exhaustion with Alice's redemption arc, feeling that the show fails to utilize these characters properly to resolve storylines before writing them out. The episode review further highlights grievances with production quality and plot logic, specifically mocking low-budget CGI effects and awkward scenes involving perfume torture and crossbow usage. The narrative is criticized for corruption under Black Mask's influence, which feels unearned given the show's reliance on "faux" versions of Batman villains like Bane rather than utilizing established characters effectively. Additionally, the hosts point out glaring plot holes where characters survive fatal injuries without logical consequences, undermining the stakes of the confrontation between the original and new Batwoman as she retrieves the Batcave. Despite their current dissatisfaction with the series' direction and the show's reliance on questionable villain introductions like Mr. Freeze, the group anticipates a potential Season 3 revival if the network decides to continue the franchise. They joke about the possibility of the show continuing indefinitely or being cancelled soon, noting that future reaction videos might not be produced until years later if it survives. Ultimately, the segment concludes with a humorous reference to filling a car with lava, signaling their final sign-off while leaving viewers with a sense of weary amusement regarding the show's uncertain future.
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Welcome to the penultimate woman. >> Hello. >> I say that as if [ __ ] next season isn't out like tomorrow or whatever. >> I re I recently found out that WWE was on the CW network for a while. That was surprising to hear. >> I can't believe they freaking Babylon 5, the reboot to CW. Is is CW just the trash fire network that they're like, "Yeah, just throw it on there, I guess." >> Now that the atmosphere is hospitable to make Daxim great again. >> Dax was never great. I got to tell you, it was perfect. They've been around for a long time. >> Do you think they're taking a big risk here? Like this is their big gamble buy. Do you think they're having issues maybe or they have to really start planning ahead for the future? >> Well, Supernatural was the cash cow, right? >> Well, cuz that went for like 15 years, so it must have been making them tons of money. >> I think they only stopped just because they were like, "Fucking hell, when are we stopping?" >> I guess we'll stop now. >> Apparently CW Network is 50% owned by Warner Row, so I think they're fine. whatever they did, >> 50% Warner Brothers, 50% Viacom. >> Well, if nobody watches their shows, they probably >> W stands for >> they'd probably still be uh dissolved if nobody was watching their shows, right? And I think that they've lost viewers significantly over the past few years, as far as I'm aware anyway. >> I mean, that doesn't surprise me. Like, >> their lineup isn't particularly diverse in terms of like like if if you don't like shows that are made for like teenage girls, then there's nothing to watch on this network. Well, it also goes as far as saying I think that even the Flash Arrow and different things have all suffered over the years. Cuz when the Flash first came out, the show, I remember watching episode one and being like, "That was fine. >> Is this supposed to be a joke? >> You tell me." >> But nowadays, if you see the clips, you're like, "Fucking hell, what is this?" Like, what have you done? >> Right? Like, it's it's the network has developed a reputation for like really [ __ ] quality. And so, why would you want to watch? And also like I just pulled up the average ratings for the Flash. They started at 4.62 million and they're now down to 1.58 million. >> That is that is that is significantly lower. >> That's part of my thought here is that they have just they they've seen their numbers declining over these years and they're like, "Oh, we need we need to try and do something big. We need to really kind of almost make like a gamble buy." And so they bought the rights to Babylon 5. >> Did they buy the rights? So did Babel 5 is that owned is that owned by Warner Brothers or like >> maybe maybe owned by Warner Brothers television so they they using this as a big budget thing. >> Um no cuz they could do a HBO Max show if they really wanted to. >> Babylon 5 seems like a HBO Max thing but maybe I >> It does seem like a HBO Max thing. Yeah, but I guess if you've got this network and you need content for it, then Babylon 5 you're like, h, you know, like that's not HBO Max material. >> As weird as it sounds, I understand Buffy's reboot ending up on the CW. It's like, yeah, of course, but Babylon 5 is like that's a huge production. I don't understand. >> Are they going to give it a big budget? Well, that's the question. >> That is the question >> because I feel like something like the sci-fi stuff that takes place in space a lot of the times, you know, especially nowadays, like you could get away with Star Trek, the original series, and maybe TNG and stuff, but I think viewers are a little bit more they expect a bit more out of sci-fi these days, I feel. >> I think it's just television in general. I think uh the bar has been raised in terms of production values like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, all those shows sort of raise raised the bar. >> I was going to say like you even superheroes stuff it's can be difficult for CGI artists to get everything realized and as we saw with uh Infinity Tisms like they are barely capable of doing that. >> And I guess I think all of this stuff isn't particularly good but you just present somebody hey you want to watch like Falcon the Winter Soldier that looks like a movie or do you want to watch Legends of Tomorrow that looks like a PlayStation 2 game? You know, the irony there is all that can save them is the writing at that point. >> Well, the writing the writing could save them. >> Terrible. Yeah, >> but it's terrible. Terrible. >> Yeah, they don't have anything going for them. Nothing. They have nothing. >> Marvel at least has production values. Like >> it fools a lot of people. >> It It definitely is effective cuz when it looks like crap, like what am I meant to do with this? It just looks so cheap. >> An anti monitor fight right now. Just >> Yes. Please just remember that when he's there fighting them all and try to grab him like, "No, get away from me." >> No. >> They're fighting in the that little industrial area. Vancouver's in the background. >> How come there's not been another teamups episode? >> I think um there's going to be a team up episode this upcoming round. Maybe it's cuz co stuff made it difficult. >> Will we have to watch a series of episodes from other shows and stuff or >> that I think that's that's the idea, right? There will be a crossover and so then we have to watch it to understand. >> It is a funny adventure to do that every time. I remind you guys, >> let me look that up. >> We still have an episode of uh Ruby Rose Batwoman that we have not seen. >> What? >> Cuz of her her um collaboration for an Elseorld's episode. We never saw it. >> Oh yeah, Elseorlds. That was a that was a thing. We could go back and watch that. I feel like we'll do that after season 3 is if it gets cancelled, we can be like the final episode we cover is the one we missed with good old Ruby Rose. >> Can't believe there might be another season after three. >> I'm I'm shocked they got a third. >> So, okay. So, apparently the next crossover is called Armageddon. >> Oh boy. >> We had Crisis and now we got Armageddon. >> Crisis of infinite universes and now Armageddon. You're like, "Okay, >> we we went from all of the multiverse, entire universes being destroyed, and now it's like, man, what are you doing? Armageddon? That's nothing. That's lame." >> Do you remember when they like formed their little [ __ ] tier Justice League, and then nothing came of that, and we just never saw that again. >> That was right before CO. So, they were like, "Let's do a" And then they lost Ruby Rose as the paragon of was it courage? >> Yeah. >> Guess the new Kate has to do that job now. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Cuz she's still the paragon. >> Yeah. You can't write her out of that. She has to be the paragon of courage still. >> Yeah. >> Can she give it up to Ryan or whoever the [ __ ] >> I passed the mantle of paragon of courage to you. >> I was about to say surely they can't. I was like, "Wow, it's a CW." >> Wow. >> According to their own rules, it's an it's an intrinsic element of their being. Yeah. >> But >> Oh. Uhoh. Why do we write that? Oh no. Oh gosh. We shouldn't have like abused our actors. >> Oh, they could remember they could get the book. They could get that book and then um Oh yeah. And then that's right. >> Go and let her kill another Batman. >> I stand by him looking like an NPC in a mobile game giving you instructions with his little book like press the blah blah blah blah blah blah. It's like Yeah. Remember when he just gets punched by Smallville Superman? It's like oh >> I remember that. Yeah. >> He's apparently coming back. Do you know that? >> I feel like I've heard about this but I don't know context. I've only seen like a vague article, but I was just like, well, CW, do whatever you can, I suppose. Speaking of >> CW, I guess. >> Yeah. >> What >> are you guys ready to watch? >> Sure. Let's [ __ ] do it. >> I'm ready. >> All righty. Well, as the viewers may already know from the title, we're up to episode 17. It's called Kane Kate. >> It does say Kane Kate. >> Is that >> I don't know. >> Maybe we'll find out by watching it. >> Um, it doesn't matter. Yeah, we're pretty excited cuz this is the two episodes left. You know, anything could happen now. These shows do crazy things when they hit finales. >> Oh, are we going to are we going to take a little guess as to how Jacob leaves the show? >> I think he's already done. >> I think they've done it. Yeah, he's going to be moved to a different city and we won't see him again. >> Oh, okay. I think that was it. >> Yeah, I think that's it. >> Oh, wow. >> Well, that's not good. >> Oh, yeah. No, right. >> I guess that's I guess worse fates could have befallen Jacob. They could have killed him and shhat on him. >> Literally had someone poop on him. for being a terrible white man. This show's got really uh that angle has been pretty strong lately. >> This season's been pretty bad for that. Yeah. So, season 3 is probably worse. >> Can't imagine why people aren't watching this video program. >> Wonder if Alice will be fully redeemed and a hero by the end of this season. Maybe it'll take another one. >> Oh, they're working for it. That's what they want. >> Ocean finally definitely died. >> Are you sure about that? >> Come back. >> Are you sure about that? I I really don't know. We [ __ ] joked about how many times he died in the episode. He definitely definitely died. So, >> can can the desert rose flower? Can it bring people back for the dead? >> I don't know. Remember, she killed bad actress as well. >> Yeah, just like that. Also died like two times before. >> I'm going to miss it. >> Stay dead in this goddamn show. >> Except mouse and creepy skin who both had loads of potential >> compared to everyone else. >> Yeah, they got rid of them quick. At least they killed Catherine. She was a really bad actress. I almost want them to stay actually. Just the bad actors. They they abused me. Well, >> um yeah. And okay. Yeah, we're in a post Luke Wants to Die world. So, let's go ahead and up and we could watch this episode. >> Adventures ahead. >> Go. You guys [ __ ] believe we've watched almost two seasons of a show that's just terrible. >> No, I can't. >> Rebirth Restorative Mascara. >> Let's watch. Oh my god. Batoman. >> Okay. >> Damage. Batoman. >> I was about to >> just punched him. >> I'm sure it's fine. They're all villains. You >> can punch him. He's black. >> That guy. >> I'm looking for a missing woman. Brunette, high cheekbones. Looks an awful lot like your covergirl over there. >> I don't know. >> Well, what about your boss, Roman Cionis? Sometimes likes a side hustle as black mask. >> I'm just a security guard. >> What if he doesn't? >> Oh. Oh, okay. >> Machine pistol. It's a little rich for a reneop. >> That's not a machine pistol. >> The ammo is standard issue false. >> False. >> Fosaced. >> Phosphate or false? Right. False. >> Find out if your boss is Oh, right. Cuz that's what they're called. >> I ain't telling you anything. >> He's spraying mascara in his face. >> I mean, it's annoying to have perfume sprayed at you over and over again. I guess. >> I guess. Yeah. >> It's a weird torture method, but all right. Did you leave Did you leave a bullet in the chamber? I forgot. Cuz if you just take out the magazine, there's still one. >> Yeah, she's tortured him with perfume. >> All right. All right. >> He's already given up. You give up spraying a perfume. >> And you believed him? >> What did you want me to do? Go through the entire product line. >> She's so funny and quirky. >> 20 miles have aditted. >> What are you wearing? What the [ __ ] is that? You're wearing like a a blimp. Is that Wait, is that a blimp? Is that >> the camo curtain? >> I don't understand. I just >> tent and awning store. She can inflate herself and fly away. >> Fly away. >> Hey. >> Oh, >> now what are we doing? >> Is this the Oh, it's Kate Pain. >> She got a dead soldier. >> No. >> You know, you know some guy called that that they had the sound effect. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Don't worry about it. No, no safety happens. Yum. Yum. Yum. >> Did she bail last episode? No. That's how we get her back. >> Mary, you remember? How do we know each other again? >> Cuz she's not the same actress. It's like, is it finally working? >> Weird. It was awkward. >> Baby steps. >> Useful way to catch up the audience who unfolds campaign. You'd expect the only people to be watching are maybe the ones who have hung around. >> But we got her back. So, yay. >> Definite yay, guys. >> Definite yay. >> She went from attacking Mary to ditch to treating half the lesbians in Gotham to an open bar. >> Half the lesbians in Gotham. Man, half of Gotham. >> Wow. If I found out my memory had been wiped and then reprogrammed into a dead supermodel, I'd go on a 12-hour bar crawl, too. >> If the fact that you had to ride it like this, >> Yeah. To be fair, they took a whole season to to try and do this. >> Yeah, >> dudes. They took their time. >> They did. >> Oh, no. I don't care. >> Oh, no. >> Favorite character. >> No, not you two. >> Wait, what? Wait, what? How are you? >> Why are you here, >> Alice? He's gone. >> No, he's not. Save his life or yours is over. >> Was that Did that audio clip? Did you notice that? Like the it got quiet when you said over like they had >> Yeah, that sound effect. >> Also, I think she just established the he can't be saved by this flume plant. They >> don't have it anymore. >> Well, but they do have some of them don't. I I know he's dead, but like it's worth mentioning that, I guess. >> Why are you here? Oh >> yeah. Why are you here? >> I'm sorry. >> That one note acting she does. >> I just came to thank you. >> Is this just Alice's layer now? This train >> for saving her. >> I guess so. >> Remember when she had a >> like gang? Yeah, I was about to say, remember when she had a whole [ __ ] >> Look what it's cost me. Go [ __ ] yourself. >> Yeah. Like I don't care. >> Nobody cares about ocean. >> Yeah. [ __ ] you. Piece of [ __ ] >> [ __ ] hell. >> Yeah. >> I hate you. Die in a fire. She won't though. >> That's a problem. >> She'll be amazing and perfect. >> I thought he was going to be gone. I was going to be like, "Wait, what?" >> He He ascended into heaven >> like Virgin Mary >> here in the background like, "No, he's alive. What is >> the steps?" >> Hey guys, >> Kate's not okay. >> Really? >> Can't rush this. >> She's never been okay. >> I know Kate. I mean, she survived gas attacks, a bomb throwing bird. A chick who thought she was a vampire throwing a bird. >> I like how Luke's just back to normal, by the way. >> Yeah, he wants to die. >> He's completed that arc. He talked to that one random black guy. Everything's fine now. >> Yeah. Dingus or whatever his name was. I don't remember. >> Name's John Diggle. >> Good old Ding. >> Still don't know what that tree stump is. Look at that [ __ ] hair. >> Where does she put her real hair when she's wearing that? >> She takes it off cuz of the wig. See, you still remember how to be a smartass. I never realized how much I missed that. >> A remember how these two are friends? >> Like >> I don't actually. >> Yeah, because they never actually completed that. They just said that it was true. >> Maybe reading about who you were will remind you of who you are. >> What is the Does she not recognize that she's Batwoman? >> It's no beach read. But >> so I guess her memories are incomplete, right? >> So how will that resolve? >> No idea. >> They haven't even discussed it, have they? >> And I'm starting to remember why we were friends. >> No. Please tell me, enlighten me. >> Uh, yep. Just friends. >> Do you not wear a bra or is that not lesbian appropriate? Pearl jam. That's so Kate Kane. >> The bike. Remember, >> it just hits her on the head. [ __ ] music. >> I like how it's like Kate Kane and her bike. Like, you know, just that's the team up. We all know that one. >> Separable path. >> Yeah. We love it. Iconic. >> Yeah. Let's be clear. Doesn't she need a license to be out here driving? How does she have a license? >> Well, she Yeah, you're right. She wouldn't. But since when is she giving a [ __ ] about the law? >> That's true. She is indeed Kate Kane in character. That's true. Where are you going to drive? >> I don't know. >> I love this music. >> It's so great. She's got her leather jacket messed up just back. >> It's go time. >> If only she was as good an actress as Ruby Rose. And by as good, I think you know what I mean. Oh, they're on the CW studio. >> Hi, Dad. >> Oh. Oh, she's double agenting. >> How are you feeling? >> Grateful, actually. >> Man, this seems pretty risky. They could have planted any kind of tracker on it. >> Turns out Kane had a thing for putting her fills on paper. >> They're going to read KK's diaries. A >> It's basically a user manual for the Batcave. >> Oh. >> Oh, >> why? >> [ __ ] Write that down. Damn. Why would it be a use? I thought she just wrote about her feelings in there, not like this is how the Batcave works. >> Wow. Cat Kate Kane is an idiot. >> You could say that. >> Jesus Christ. They've retro They've retroactively made her dumber. >> That's impressive show. I didn't think you had that in you. I guess this is how they're going to resolve how Kate Kane can exist and also Ryan can exist and only one Batoman could be a thing. Unless they make Kate Kane totally good by the end of this, which is what >> she'll be a good guy by the end. Ryan, >> nice cleavage window. >> No. >> Oh, yeah. Wow. Weird. >> Come on. Weird. >> Pretty sure I know what memories you're trying to jog. >> All right. All right. >> What memories? >> Remember the crows? >> Gone now. >> Remember she had a husband that he was a crow? >> I do. >> He was a crow. >> He was He only lasted a few episodes, but >> but he was a white man, so we had to get rid of him. >> We remember his wife. Now we lost his job. Eapper, his name was John. >> Lady pants. They they have uh they have belt loops, but they never wear belts. You think they'd use it to accessorize. You know, girls are >> man, look at those devil shoulders. >> You made the suit your own, just like you made Batoman your own, and you've proven yourself to her worse in a completely different way. >> I was going to say they're both pretty immoral, so it's fine. >> Remember how like where was Batman was a plot thread and now it's gone? letting black people >> and how nobody cares about Jacob, by the way. >> He's the white guy. >> He's not the non- lesbian. >> Every one of you signed up to protect this city with a noble purpose in your hearts. >> And what did you get in return? >> Hey, there he is. >> You're evil. >> Evilman >> by corrupt politicians who care more about some criminals rights than what is right. System recruiting criminals. >> Yeah. where they got to go. >> The people you're there to defend would rather defund. [Music] >> Nice. >> If you join me, you'll get >> Oh my god. >> Jesus Christ. >> And the free reign to use them. >> Free. How could you free? You're criminals. >> How could you possibly give them free reign? >> I mean, why would you give them that? But also, it's like it's not free reign. You're just criminals. Like now you don't >> that [ __ ] Halloween mask. >> They're all clapping. >> Hey, evil. But grab like the evilst gun. >> Take all these guns and these grenades and go shoot. >> Go shoot them. >> Just can't shake the suspicion that I'm the same cog in a different machine. >> What if I told you you could be the machine? >> What does that even mean? >> Yeah. What does that mean? I would have seen like what does that mean? >> I guess they explain it after they cut. >> They had a whole hour conversation, guys. We just didn't see that. >> It could be cogs and sprockets. >> They sit down at a table and loads of like spreadsheets and he's like, "So, what I mean by the machine is this huge system that's currently existing. >> Look out, dude. >> False guys downstairs aren't going to be helping you." >> Why would guys use the special bullets? Why would they not just go buy bullets at the store? That was a window. I don't know seen a Windows symbol on a laptop before. It's always it's always >> Apple. Have you >> I mean that's how logistically were you supposed to do that? >> That's a good question. >> Somebody's got black mask by the piggy bank. >> Oh, >> also does anyone have a charger? >> Yeah. I'm so used to Apple Mac being the dominant product placement in movies. >> Yeah. Or a Sony. Yeah. >> To be out there. >> How did you get in the back cave without I guess there's a back door. >> I'm sure she has full access at this point. So, I bet that the end stinger for this season is she's going to get the bat suit and be like, "He I'm evil." And then they're going to get a >> Yeah. Ryan will probably give it up and then she'll realize, "No, it's hers now." >> You think by now I'd be used to having the good things that happened to me getting taken away. >> They can sort of >> Ryan, you stole it. Let's be fair. >> Yeah, you did. >> Yeah, I'll tell you stole it. Crash. >> In fairness, Kate stole it, too. But, you know, >> she stole it before you. >> She gives him more ownership of it. I do like how they've just looted Bruce's possessions. >> These are ours now. We get to have these. I want to come back and go to Luke. It's like, "What the [ __ ] Luke?" Like, "We had one job." >> Yeah. He's like all fighting, saving the world for years. >> I don't know what it's plugged into. >> Oh, wow. So, this is the first time she's looked at this since she got it. Good job. >> Wait, so she's not Batwoman, but she's keeping the >> Yeah. Did she tell him about this or didn't >> I Who you talking to, by the way? Oh, right. talking to us for you. >> Linding me. >> Hey, GCPD making a difference. Oh, wait. Are these like the mask people? >> I don't think this is your stuff. >> L. >> Uh-oh. >> But I'm thinking these are definitely yours. Look like snake bite injectors to me. >> You guys planted that. >> That's what they all say. >> Well, I mean, if you >> Wow, even the GCPD is corrupt. Wow. Everyone's evil. I mean, look at all these white men right now. >> Steal that laptop, though. Take the laptop. Yeah, >> I understand it was for vigilant purposes, but >> Oh, she's done way more. >> Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm fine with her getting arrested. >> I don't care about Oceans. >> Wait, wait, wait. She got him. She burned him. She I guess she >> Are you going to dump him in the sand at a dirty dirty beach by a city? >> [ __ ] off. I don't care. You're not even dumping his dude a montage. >> Nobody cares. >> No one gives a [ __ ] about >> Where did he get his from? >> Dirty canal. >> You got to dump his ass ashes in like >> this muddy filthy canal. >> Look, she didn't even go that far out. >> Oh my god. Ow. >> Just washed up. >> It's so crazy. Holy [ __ ] And how did she get him cremated? Did she just have her own cremation station? Yeah, of course. >> Station. >> The Bethesda information station. >> I can't believe that you put his ashes in just like the port. >> I just love the idea that it pans around the [ __ ] subway and she's just got a little crematorium in there. >> Ocean to ocean. >> Why? Why? >> I've come to respects. >> [ __ ] off. >> Oh, we doing a boss fight. >> I think she Yeah. >> [ __ ] it. Why not? >> You're both evil. I I love the idea that we've gotten rid of the crows and now it's like, well, GCPD is just going to replace them for all the crow stuff, right? >> It's It feels super awkward since like the GCPD are like frequent collaborators with Batman. Like they they're helping him out a lot. >> As with most stories for Batman, they usually are corrupted in some way, at least in the beginning. >> There's some level of corruption, but we got like our good guys like Gordon in there. >> Yeah. And and we just we've had nothing for the GCPD for like two seasons really. And now that because I got rid of the crows, but you can't get rid of GCPD like >> but Black Mask apparently he's just him and GCPD are pretty much the same thing. >> We are nothing alike. >> Yeah, you're way worse. >> To be fair, Black Mask is very evil. >> Ryan is evil, too, but he's very evil. >> Why should you be the only masked vigilante who gets to be the >> vigilante vigilante? >> Flexing his acting muscles there. >> Good. >> It feels good to fight for people who are powerless. You don't you don't really you just it's such an ego thing for you. Come on, Ryan. >> Yeah. >> People like your daughter. I know what happened to her. How she was assaulted. How the crows covered it up. Made her look crazy. >> Why would they cover it up? >> They're already gone. Stop trembling on their name. >> Where she was? >> Episode prior to Jacob getting arrested, he dissolved the crow [ __ ] shitty writing. >> Using her to justify what you're doing is dishonoring her memory. I don't put much stock in the words of a repeat drug offender. >> Imagine you just listed off all of her crimes. >> I can't have you getting in my way. >> Okay, kill her. >> Goodbye, Batoman. >> Yay. Kill her. Kill her. Kill her. Kill her. Kill her. >> Yeah, get a gun and just [ __ ] shoot her in the [ __ ] face. >> Fill the car with lava. >> Possession of drug paraphernia with intent to distribute snake bite injectors. >> So, she was set up. >> What is in your hair? I like that she said so she was set up like you do know that she's been she's delivered drugs before drug offender. >> Yeah. >> But I lied because I love you. >> Love you. I love you. >> I love you. >> And I don't know if you remember writing that or even feeling it. But >> is that going to be interesting outfit? >> She's going to be doing >> but then she'll start actually revealing like oh my god actually no I do remember this stuff. >> Yeah they got to flip her to good somehow. >> I'm just glad I don't have to lie to you anymore. Oh, I miss I miss Ruby Rose so much and her shitty acting. >> How weird would it be though if you fell in love with a person and then their face is completely different and you're like I still love you. >> And it's a fake face that requires constant maintenance and they have to apply burn cream to their bodies. Remember it's a thing. >> See, you know, she said like we can learn everything about the Batcave. It's like you already could. You're Kate Kane. You're allowed in there. >> Being held in a secure holding area at the Gotham City Courthouse and Pink will get in the bat suit. want to highlight. They are going to do everything they can to get her out of there. They will ignore Jacob. Even though Jacob did vigilante [ __ ] to help them. I [ __ ] hate this show. >> I think your old cowl was on here somewhere. >> But >> oh god, the classic version. >> Since when was it more classic? >> I thought it was the same suit. They just modified it. >> Yeah, cuz they said like it's super rare. Made of whatever. >> Yeah, it's made out of bulletproof [ __ ] >> How can I not do the same? Yeah, she's going to be an evil batwoman running around terrorizing the city or some [ __ ] >> So, you know, nothing changes. >> Grab the shotgun. >> Shotgun. >> Oh, bat sides. Bat sides. >> It's the bat little crick kit from Noisy Cricket. >> I'll take the bat bike. You take the U-Haul. >> What? >> No. [Laughter] >> How did you know that was loaded? >> Yeah, it would have been funny if it wasn't. >> You got to love instant tranquilizer dots. Like not even a second. >> Yeah. >> Oink. >> Now kill him. >> Would that have gotten through those two legs? >> I wonder. >> It's a bat. It's a bat tranquilizer. >> Look at that face. >> It could tranquilize a rhinoceros behind another rhinoceros. >> It goes through the rhino somehow still tranquilizers and then the other ghost. >> Stop the bleeding. >> What's the excuse for this evil person letting the three of them live? >> Well, yeah. Why isn't Ryan being killed? Why wasn't Ryan killed? What the [ __ ] You were this close to putting your past mistakes. Oh, >> shut up. No one cares. >> And then you'll be broken out. It won't matter. >> They were not mine. >> Well, that sounds familiar. >> Last time they weren't yours either. >> Which, by the way, was hilarious. She said she was falsely imprisoned for like moving a friend's drugs. It's like, you know, that's illegal. >> Even if they're not yours. >> I have been set up black mass who owns the GCPD and they are trying to kill me. Why didn't they kill you? didn't find any snake bite because why didn't they kill you on it? >> How did you get out of that car and get here? >> I don't know. >> Why did they [ __ ] pop a shotgun shell into your face? >> I don't understand. Bad guys are so dumb. >> Black mask said goodbye. I thought that meant they did kill her. >> Fine. >> Indulging this paranoid fantasy because apparently that's what I do now. >> God, this lady is uh >> Oh, this is a high table. >> Why would one of Gotham's worst criminal masterminds want to target you? >> Because I'm Batoman. I don't know what telling her that will help. >> You can't expect me to believe any of this. >> Well, look at the photos of Batoman. She looks just like her. >> You saw all of that firepower for a bat full of kids. >> Also, what a great job you've done. This moment you captured you tell people you're Batoman. It's like >> No, no, no. >> What is she supposed to do? >> Yeah. >> Like really, what is she supposed to do? >> Exactly. This just makes it worse for her really. >> Well, so they they were listening to this, right? They actually Yeah, cuz if they're evil corrupt cops, >> they're not they're not going to >> I have reason to believe my parole is being railroaded. >> Huh? >> What does that mean? >> What the [ __ ] >> What the [ __ ] are you guys doing? >> Uh what the hell are we doing? >> And she beats up these two. This is so horit. What? Oh no, >> you Okay. >> This doesn't make any sense. These fights are so bad. >> Oh yeah, that just that's how that works. >> None of these cops have any trading at all. Obviously. >> Nope. >> And they're definitely not big burly men. >> It's so amazing. >> It's funny. Look how scrawny and tiny she is. >> Why would the lawyer be like, "Oh, you told me you're Batoman. Therefore, I now think you're being railroaded." Like, what? Oh, >> what's that going to do? >> You should probably leave, too, lawyer lady. They just tried to kill you. >> Anytime, Batoman. >> [ __ ] off. All of this is recorded, guys. All of this is recorded. So, good luck with that. >> You're in a lot of trouble. I'd be super >> All right, this scene. >> [ __ ] fellas. I hate you. >> Go away. >> The other scene was way more entertaining. Why we got to do this? >> If I wanted you dead, I would have to ask the man who trapped you here to do it. Take him. >> No, this probably wouldn't have. >> If you wanted her dead, you couldn't have. >> The problem is nobody ever seems to want Alice dead. >> Even after you killed my ocean. >> Did you say my ocean? >> What? >> Also, wow. He wasn't one of your island hippies, you [ __ ] >> Why does she She She just can't act any other way when she's upset. >> And I've taken him from you just the way you took the thing I loved most, the desert rose. >> I mean, yeah, Alice, she did plunge the entire world into misery. >> Wow, Dick. That was a good throw. I like that knife. What if she has a backup knife >> or a gun? God forbid. >> No, no, no. >> I'm here to save you from what? >> From yourself. I'm here to save you from yourself. spending the rest of your days locked in a cage. A storm is coming for Gotham. >> A storm is coming. No, don't say that. >> Everyone says that there is. >> Whoa. >> Well, if she fears being locked up in a cage, her life in freedom has been horrific for humanity. So, she belongs in a cage. >> Why are they still alive? >> There is no reason alive anymore. >> Why would Black Mask be okay with these lot being alive? They always subvert his plans. just like, >> well, he let Batoman be alive to go to the GCPD HQ, >> which ruined everything again. >> Did she just rack them all into the elevator to lock him instead >> of just killing them with the bat shotgun? >> She could have killed us and she didn't. >> Maybe. >> Maybe there's a part of her that's still Kate. >> Dude, this show is so awful. It's >> just worthless. All right, what are you going to do? Unlock the great bat weapon that we've not seen yet. The >> Oh, there you go. K. There it is. >> The bad FG on this side. >> Wow. >> Did they fix the door for the Batmobile? Remember when it got blown up? >> That's the one. >> No, that's behind her. That's what that opening is. That's the rock. Well, I think so. Yeah. >> Ew. >> God, get rid of the webs down here. >> Mary is supposed to be keeping this place. Oh, terrible. >> We haven't seen this place before. >> This is new. It' be really funny if there's just like horrible experiments that Bruce was or something. >> A genetics testing laboratory where he conducts horrific bat genetic experiments. >> Was that a bat human hybrid? >> This look like a conference room. >> I think it might have been. >> So Ryan and company never went down here to see what was in there. >> Even though Kate Kane had access to this, we've never seen it before. >> Oh, Spruce's thing maybe. >> No, don't say that. I was definitely >> I was going to say that wouldn't make sense though because he already had one with the main >> Why would he put it back there? >> Um Oh, did Bruce have his This is his boweapons lab. >> Nuclear weapon facility. >> Well, this might be agency plans, right? >> He's If people find out who I am, I'm going to destroy Gotham. >> Yeah, we got references. >> We definitely have references. >> No, don't open that up. It looks like it's got a biohazard. >> Oh, wait. That's like the the the goopy stuff for for Bane and stuff like that. >> I couldn't recognize the other ones. >> I think Poison Ivy. >> Are they irradiated? >> That's probably that one. Is that Joker? >> Not Joker maybe. Yeah. >> Yeah. The little That's Bane. >> That's Bane. >> That's Bane. Yeah. >> Yeah. Remember he killed Joker in this? >> Yeah. That Oh, that's Poison Ivy then. >> No, that might be references everywhere. >> Right. Cuz she's going to be in season 3, right? >> Well, so I was going to say, you know what? She said there's a storm coming. I was like, she should have said there's a blizzard coming cuz I missed a freeze. >> That's right. >> She just got got away. >> She's just here now. >> She's just here. Nice. >> How did you get in without bumping into Kate? >> I'm surprised Kate didn't make it so that no one could get in. >> So, she just >> Oh, dang. We We tried that, but it didn't work. >> Yeah. >> Also, GCPD, she just left the whole building after that room was done. I guess >> she took everything. How did you miss? >> Oh, you fools. >> She got the back crossbow. Yes, >> bat crossbow. Bat crossbow. >> Here I was thinking I was the girl who had everything. >> Pumpa action crossbow. >> It's finally time for old Batoman versus new Batoman. >> I hope they lose. >> I hope they both kill each other. >> How did she No. How did she get away without you seeing? >> Why didn't she She should have put on the bat suit that she was given because it's literally body armor. No, >> no, stop. I want to see the ridiculous bat hunt. >> Corana will soon be a bloom with desert rose once more thanks to a small cutting from one of Poison Ivy's lines. >> They just said Poison Ivy's vines or something. >> It really annoys me that this show just like pillagages things from Batman. Like makes me angry when they just >> This show pillagers words from the English language. >> It does. >> Just can we finish this killer or whatever? You didn't really think you'd gotten your sister back, did you? >> I never even know if the show show is like, "See, Alice really cares about that." I'm like, "Okay, >> I don't know." >> If you say so. They bought one of those cheap scopes from Amazon. >> Like, they're all watching this like a TV show. They're just like, "What's going to happen next?" >> If you're not going to give me something to shoot at, I'm going to have to improvise. >> If you don't come out, I'm going to shoot you. >> Oh, now they're going to She's going to kill him. Okay. >> Duck or something. Be a harder target. What? Wow. How do you keep missing? >> Kate, I know that there's still a small part of >> Mary doesn't want to kill us. >> Get tackled. How is Ryan do something? Maybe. >> Why don't she's literally reloading this whole time? You're not doing [ __ ] anything. >> Ryan, what are you doing? >> Ryan's just rat off like >> finally, I guess. >> Really? That that was your plan. >> Could have just tackled her the whole time, but fine. >> Oh, yeah. Pop music. I knew it. >> Go. Batoman versus Batoman. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. >> I can't wait. >> This nose costs more than everything in here. It's not your nose. Otherwise, I would have broken it. >> Wait, how is her face off? >> I was going to say, how is her face still on? >> Because they don't care about that anymore. >> I don't care. Yeah. >> So, Kate Kane should beat the [ __ ] out of Ryan because had years and years of training. >> Also, I don't reach that. You can't. >> Honestly, having a crossbow that far away at that angle with one shot, I don't even know how much of a All right, give it a shot, I guess. She made belts, not >> How long is the fight going to last for this to win? >> Oh, I mentioned why women should have belts and she's using the belt. >> Oh my god, this is just like >> the music is par. >> Yeah, in all seriousness, Ryan should be getting her ass kicked by Kate. Kate did all that military training, years and years and years of special forces training and black get [ __ ] up. Or at least he should. >> Black training, too. Yeah. Now, what are we doing? >> Why did you >> Wait, did it have blood on it? >> Oh, they're going to What? Two. >> I thought it was locked. >> What? What are you doing? >> What? >> Yeah. How is that going to help you? >> Wait. Because of this give you any advantage over just pulling. >> The door opens left to right, not up and down. How would you be able to lift it up? >> What's happening? >> If you got hit in the face with How did you get out? No. >> You're not going to shoot me. Because you love me. >> Because you love me. >> God. Oh. Oh. >> Brian, don't feel bad. kicker. >> Kate was pretty sure there was still a gun thing. >> I'm pretty sure there was still bowls left when she dropped it and on the front. >> You guys could still make an >> No, you could apprehend her. No, you could stop her. What are you doing? >> You No. Go get her with your hands. >> What? What? >> No. Use your arms and your legs. >> Use your bodies. >> Okay. All right. Well, that ends that. >> Okay. Bye, K. >> Okay. Bye. >> I mean, it stays with the character of the show, right? to just let her go. >> It shows in a double bat. >> They keep cutting back to this scene when no one cares about it. >> What if everybody cares about it like in the bat the bat woman? >> Well, they're wrong. >> Stab her already. >> Oh, there you go. Perfect. Hug her and then she goes and she gets stabbed. >> A excellent idea. >> Let's move on. She was a [ __ ] villain. >> [ __ ] in this show. >> Wait, is that the magic knife? >> No, use a real one. >> She's like >> Or a real bullet. Yeah, that's probably not going to kill her. Wait, so all it does is like put you to sleep? >> Basically, it puts you in stasis until you >> What if he What if she poops >> What if you like decapitated? Would that keep you in stasis or what? >> She just leaves her on the beach. >> Yeah, >> come by and find her. >> I was going to say, is it >> the bat ging gun? The batling gun. >> What is this place? >> It was where Bruce kept the weapons and other bad stuff. He confiscated from all the villains he took down. >> And now Cersei hasn't. >> Yeah, that's kind of your guys' fault for letting her go. Just saying. >> Yeah. >> So, the Mat Cave is just like a super surveillance system now. >> You warned us not to rush things and we all just wanted K back so bad. We just didn't question it. But you did. >> What? >> Yeah. So awesome. Ryan is so great. >> She has the best WMDs. >> They have the biggest >> WMDs. >> My suit. My weapons. I don't know if they count as WMDs. >> Bruce has certain weapons, but okay, >> guys. You [ __ ] let her get away with it. I don't know what. >> Yeah, she just let her leave. >> Can our team defeat evil Batoman and Mr. Freeze and the Penguin and whoever else shows up? >> Why did she take the hat? >> I don't know. >> It's a weapon of mass destruction. Rex, >> why are you collecting all this stuff from Batman's enemies? >> One day, I will create plot armor of my own. >> Started. >> Oh god, is he going to be Venom? >> Oh, is he going to get the thing? Is he going to be Venom? God, this >> season 3 is going to be so he's not a one and done villain. >> I was just saying is he going to be Venom? I think you're thinking of the wrong universe. >> What are you doing? >> What do you mean? >> He's not going to be Venom. He's going to be Bane. >> Yeah. >> Wait, you ripped it apart? Venom powers. >> You ripped it up. >> Yeah, right. But yeah, these Oh, see I'm going to be evil Batman. See, look. Yeah, I'm evil Batman. >> I'm evil. I'm I'm bad woman. Oh, look at that. >> Wait, I'm sorry. >> Did she cut the suit apart with what? A knife. >> How is that even possible? >> I guess. >> How is that even possible? It's got to be a bat knife then. It >> was a bad knife. All right. Wow. What an episode. >> Oh god. >> Oh my god. >> We have given so much power to the bad guys cuz I guess we were just bored. >> Well, we still have one episode and as we all know, that's more than enough time to wrap this all up in a neat little bow. >> I would giving us our little season 3 hooks. They could honestly rush it so hard that we get uh Bane in the next episode or some [ __ ] like like faux Bane, you know? >> At least it's faux Bane. Like I'm I'm okay when this show does like [ __ ] >> I'm a shitty copycat. Yeah. >> Yeah. Like Victor's ass. It's like oh careful. Like and admittedly black mask that's the one where it's like what are you doing? Can you like not do this please? Can you stop? >> I don't hate this guy's black mask is fine. >> I don't but I don't like that it's in Batoman because it's like a Batman more people. >> He still Yeah, he still just doesn't kill people for no reason. >> And now they're going to use like actual Batman villains like Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy. Oh, >> that's going to be tough to watch. Yeah, >> that's going to be real. Well, dude, I mean, you remember at the end of season one when I thought that they were going to do a whole season of evil Bruce Wayne. I was like, >> yeah, they were not ready. >> And then in one episode that was all taken care of. >> I was so happy that in one episode it was all taken care of. I didn't want not want I I think a whole season of that would have made me very upset. was the episode where uh yeah, Alice starts off by murdering someone. >> Yeah, that's right. Um she throws a knife into that poor lady who was just standing there and her family probably doesn't even know where she is cuz that got covered up and that's that's her fault she did that. >> Yep. But Alice gets Alice is going to become a protagonist and she's going to fight for whatever. >> No, >> she's she's definitely going to get her like redemption arc. I I don't know what it looks like though, I guess, cuz like it seems like this whole what's is it Safire? That's a name, right? the the evil one. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Like are we you know is that like is this done? Are we done nearly like can can we please be done with that? But now it feels like we're not. >> They stand with a magic knife. She'll be back. >> Yeah. But hopefully she'll be back this episode and then gone. I I just I'm sick of this plot line. I'm I'm so tired of it. >> Yeah. Well, the Alice stuff this season has been absolute ass. Like >> it's been awful. So bad. >> Terrible. >> It's not funny anymore, you know? It's not funny anymore. This joke has run its course. It's not >> slow the show down so much. She's not cringe funny. She's just boring. >> Like, look how hard I have. Look what what it cost me. Like, [ __ ] you. >> I know. It's hard not to feel >> so many people this season while Batoman was there. B was like dead. All horrible people. >> They are. >> And no Jacob. No Jacob scene. >> Yeah. We're just done. which is crazy because you kind of need him to resolve the story line. >> Yeah, he's just he's out. He was a mainstay for the show since day one and now he's just >> one episode. He got his script and it's just these are your last he didn't get that. >> They don't care. They just don't care. The writers don't care about him as a character. They just don't. >> They don't. >> But it sucks because that means >> that they've forgotten that the characters care about him and so now they don't which sucks. >> Yep. >> It's just bad writing. They got it out in that one episode right before he left. They said, "You're great." And then he got [ __ ] off. And that's insane. >> And that's that's probably the crulest thing they've done to us, the loyal Batwoman fan base. We >> I don't know if I can move past that. >> We are Jacob fans. And uh I just think that he deserves a little bit more respect. Honestly, that's what I think. >> He absolutely # justice for Jacob. >> Yes. Poor >> guy. get it trending several months after years, possibly years after this all happened. >> The thing about there's going to be episodes # Batoman series 2 season 2. >> Us reacting to the season 3 finale will probably be out in like 3 years from now. >> Yeah. And the show will have been long since cancelled or possibly will be on its sick season. Dude, can you imagine this is what we do for the rest of our lives every week? Just watching Bad Woman >> just keeps going forever. >> Only us four watching this like four people watching us and all the all the people the all the people who are watching this the biggest Batoman community on in the world >> and the most loving I would say. I would say yeah >> even we watch this show and it's garbage and we watch it mostly to just make fun of how terrible it is but even we are sitting here going what did you do to Jacob the character what did you do to this >> I mean I'm invested I'm invested in him like you did something unintentionally I imagine but like you did something >> I mean they completely ruined Luke and they've gotten rid of Jacob so >> I was about to say yeah like cuz Luke was the other character who it's like I actually like you could be something um but if it was like we're not Yeah, we've >> Oh, they ruined I They super ruined Luke. >> Yeah, they actually really screwed up. If they were trying to tell a story and do it well, they had a character who could be something and they they've [ __ ] >> don't want to live in this because of >> Can we still have the the badass Luke with a gun? >> That That does feel to me like Well, how much do you know about the the finale medal? >> Yeah, I don't know anything about this finale. Okay, that's enough. >> Actually, actually, I might I might I might have seen the picture now that you mentioned. >> Well, let's just watch and see. >> I was going to say, um, thanks for watching everybody. That's episode 17. >> Yeah. Oh, I'm sitting here with my finger on the button for the start for the next episode being like, we got to do it. We're so close. What >> the goodbye everybody? >> Oh, boy. >> Goodbye. See you. >> One more. Goodbye, Batoman. >> Fill the car with lava. [Music]