EFAP Mini - Catchin' up on EFAP #400 - The Eighth Anniversary of Pausing Every Frame!

Hello ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to EAP 400 Super Chat Catchup parts probably one, two, and three together. We shall see. It depends how things go. But for now, we'll just call it the the Super Chat catchup for that. So, um we're probably going to jump right in cuz you guys sent a few messages, one or two, maybe three. And uh why not why not check them out? See what see what you got to say. I'm I'm loathed to admit there's not a first one relating to us being late and gay. I guess that's because I was on time. >> Maybe even earlier. I don't remember. In fact, it probably wasn't on time. I think I was actually late. >> But uh you know what? People were just excited enough not to say that. Anyway, the first one is actually give me the makeshift efab underwear. So, you know, got that that there's potential there. I'm going have to check that out at some point. maybe don't don't want to lose those uh those um that that potential revenue uh stream. The EFAP underwear fans are, you know, they're just waiting. >> How do we decide who goes where on the underwear? >> H uh it could be a coin toss, I guess. >> I guess so. Someone's going to be on a dick for ever. >> Someone's got to take that hit, you know. Uh eab time brothers, gather the toxic brood. and gather they did. Good moral massives. Blessings be upon you. Blessings and well, thank you. Ah, an EABversary. Time to resume my satisfactory game. I wonder how much progress you made in the entirety of the uh anniversary. >> Where's the streams? I mean, you got three of them, so yeah, not bad. >> You got it. >> Also, l [ __ ] sty. The first supper cat was mwa. this will this war ever end? This combat, this misery? >> Uh, >> it's normally the last one, but if the like we've expanded the fronts to include the first one now >> I mean I feel like that fight goes like ends really quick, you know. Let's just >> Yes, actually. >> So, maybe that's that's actually preferable. Uh, happy 8th anniversary to EAB. Thank you for the massive streams and memes. Cheers. Thank you. >> Can we talk candidly now or can't we? We talked candidly for many hours. Uh, every EFAB should be 24 hours. Um, they are in a way. It's just that the remaining of the 24 is is just silent. That's all. We're just sitting there thinking about what we're going to say next. Uh, happy 8th anniversary, Fab Lads. One day, God willing, we'll be able to say, "I've been listening to EAB for 30 years." Oh my. Well, we've done eight out of 30, right? So, it's a bit of progress. Not bad. Yeah. >> 400 years of pausing every frame, breaking down bad arguments of double standards. I tell you, we don't lack media literacy. Media literacy lacks us. Oo, how's that for an uplifting statement? I like it. Happy 8th anniversary. Funny story. I showed my girlfriend Andor and after we finished Rogue One, she asked me why Cassie brutally shot Wilman in the back after their long friendship. I was wheezing. >> [snorts] >> Well, you know, it's an interesting story getting weaved >> kind of similar, I guess. [clears throat] >> It is kind of a fascinating conclusion. It's like, man, that show was amazing and then like the ending was kind of a bit weird, [laughter] you know, not fantastic. >> Who is this about person? Why is she made of cardboard? Why is she here? >> Why is she so important now? [laughter] I just finished season one of Buffy. Really enjoyed it, but the last episode was a bit rushed at the end. I didn't find it that satisfying. Anyway, happy happy eap crew. Love the show and your own content too. May your fisom be ever in your tutism. Hi, Rags. >> Yeah, I mean uh that's probably fair. It does kind of end abruptly. It's a half season replacement. >> It's not an amazing >> Yeah, it's not. >> It's all very matchixs and glue and just trying to make something. That's uh but there's potential and they do manage to fix it up as time goes on. Here they come and the crowd cannot wait. Let's get ready to rumble. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if we would work in that kind of stadium as as a show, but you know what? Maybe. Maybe someday. Happy 8th, you massives and snee. Thank you, Late and Gay. Late and massive. There we are. We got it. I figured that would come up. Happy 400 long, guys. I'm ready for the next 400. And they I think they were saying that before they even had 400 completed yet. Crazy. Um Tony again, Jaman of Toxic Brood. I will find my only joy in EAP. I finally caught up on EAPs 0 through 399 and all Super Chat minis two days ago. It took 19.5 months, but I made it just in time to catch 400 live. 24 hours. in 24 hours. It was I hope you uh are doing well. Survived, I'm sure. Have another Fiverr for that wet bread redemption poster. Yeah, it's uh the good one in the background. Look at me blah blah blah. Oh, wait. Wrong channel. How did you make that mistake? Bionicle fact of the week. The word bionicle is short for biological and chron chronicle, right? So, bionical biological chron chronicle biological chronicle or something. Yes. >> Also, do you have any examples of stories and arcs that start off terrible but end great? H >> start off terrible but end great. Well, [laughter] dare I say, Buffy, >> is that is that a copout answer? Cuz it's like it's too broad. It's like what what arc are you talking about? It's like I don't know all of it. >> Just >> is it terrible at the beginning? >> I thought it was just not very good. Not that I've seen. >> Hence why it's a bit of a harder one to uh to even pick. Anyway, on that front, problem is terrible to great is a very unusual trajectory. Usually things end up as good to great or great to [ __ ] or, you know, good to great to [ __ ] Is rather something goes from terrible to great. Um, I think we should be safe for spoilers, but Frankie, could I could you say I think Grace, right, Connor? >> Oh, that's Yeah, that that I think I think that as a specific arc works >> cuz it Yeah, it starts out horrible. It's horrible for a long time and then they do fix it up in the latter parts and it does get to a point of being quite meaningful. Well, that might be the the choice. If you know, you know. Um, sorry fellas. I need to finish my job at donors and then I will join. Greetings from Bulgaria. Uh, Rags knows we exist. Oh, well, there you go. Gorgeousish. This one just has a smiley face. I appreciate that. Happy anniversary, Mhler Rags, Fringy Platoon, and the toxic brood. A shilling for EAB 400 and many more to come. Of course, and many more will come. This this got they got a cheers emoji as well. Happy 8 year anniversary. I've been following you guys since the beginning. Thanks tearing into DS2 series. Yeah, those are all like the prequel things that that lead into EAP existing. It's a it's kind of you you got to trace the whole story. You know, it's a it's a long lineage cuz that's the thing about like I saw a discussion about how um I'm the only one of the old god in the sort of main set of hosts and it's like you know Fring was on episode zero [laughter] so like and he was uh he was on podcast episodes with Wolf and Rags before you even happened. So, I'd say he's relatively old guard, you could say. >> Sorry. Yeah. >> Uh, they're late. And Jay, cuz Gary's on the stream. Gary was not even on the stream yet. No, but he did come in later. You know what rhymes with eight? It's hate. Happy 8 years of hating on the bad art and bad YouTubers. Well, thank you. We can pause candidly now. No more eluding my frames. Congrats on 8 years, lads. Here's to making it to the full 10 and beyond. Also, high rags. Hope you're doing well. Beyond 10 years, who knows? But we'll give it our best shot. Played the Dusk Bloods beta. What a massive disappointment from soft uh sorry, From Soft has become AAA slop. More Night Rain garbage. Yeah, I never played Night Rain. I I don't feel like uh with how people reacted to it that it was worthwhile even. Nobody talks about it either. Um I just like to say one thing to everyone. Thank you for everything. You've genuinely brought more happiness to my life over the years. Cheers. Oh, thanks for letting us know. And cheers indeed. Happy 400, bros. Opening with a banger meme, I see. I hope to see as much as possible this year, though I might take a break to finish Halo 3. Here's to another year. Also, high rags. We imagine that many of the people listening were playing video games at the same time. or maybe, you know, building a wall or um constructing a table or stacking some shelves in your average uh retail area. I I it would probably be a really interesting montage of of seeing what people are up to while listening to the EAB podcast, you know, but you're all out there doing all kinds of wacky things. You know what I'm talking about. At least Teletubbies believe [laughter] At least the Teletubbies believe in what they [ __ ] stand for. He's so That was back when he still had a bit of a clout. >> Yeah, >> that little tight line. >> A little bit of the uh the truth slipping out by his [ __ ] unhingedness. >> Um [sighs] then the chat it had between Muller and Theory. The war arc began kicked down Spart extra credits dreiness. We then saw a reviewer who said that the Gamecube was well that would be the [ __ ] cube, right? Um unless someone else I think we've only covered one person reviewing the Gamecube. Um then we'll rant and nitpick like true Welshman critics. What's this? I'm the only Welshman here. We'll rant and nitpick over every stream until we use logic in the restaurant of Trungos. Not quite possible anymore unless we build it ourselves. To toast to 10 years of objectivity, of course. If we don't get at least six hours of that Keemstar Orbiter Nick Oreo, I quit. I think we did get six hours uh at least of him. Who's uh he was kind of, you know, delirious at the end, but um definitely got him for a bunch of stuff. We we forced him through all of HighTop, right? I think. >> Yes. >> Poor fella. Thanks for another great year of entertainment. The show gets better and better. Hi, Rags. Oh, well, thank you. Appreciate it. and uh another high rags after that. My first EFAB was 287 in June of 2024. I finally caught up with everything earlier this month. It's strange not having your wittering as the constant background of my life. Well, I guess it's time for a rewatch, huh? You got to go back through. You got to make sure you're up to date with all the story lines and stuff. Uh Rags, you should know better. I want to speak to your manager. Oh, I think this because Rags just randomly mentioned that um he did work for the quartering at one point, which he had mentioned before. Like it's it's not like a hidden piece of law, but I think because of recent context, everyone was like, "Wait, what? >> EAB forever. 100,000 years of >> EAB." >> 100 years. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard that apparently some of these newer Rick and Morty episodes aren't bad, but I'm always very uh >> skeptical. You know, I can't >> I kind of check them out at all. Basically, I think I've seen all of season 1 to three loads of times, bits of season 4 once. >> I think I started season 5 and that was it. And so, I've not seen anything beyond that with no temptation to go back. That lines up pretty closely with mine cuz uh season five was what killed it for me even though it had the decoys episode which is one of my favorites but that was like the last great episode of Rick and Morty IMO. Shortly after that was the the sperm one which was like notably dog [ __ ] [laughter] like like the first truly bad Rick and Morty episode and then the rest of them >> were very frustrating. So, unfortunately, I I think I think I could even accept I'm sure that there probably are a collection of better episodes that would have been released after that, but it's a bit of a it's like you kind of my trust was broken in that show and I uh I don't know that I I'm willing to invest the time. I'm not sure I need to think it through. Yeah. I I don't know. I don't know what it would require for me to go and revisit. probably someone I very much trust or maybe a few of them saying you got you got to see it, you got to see it. It's just so gosh darn good and like okay maybe >> it's simply hard to believe and I don't think anyone can blame anybody for that. Um truly an excellent opening noobs be proud. That's all thanks go to the uh the lads who created each of the from from all streams. >> Really [snorts] fantastic. Uh fantastic. I mean, I always love seeing like animations, but the fact that we got animations in various, you know, modes. >> Yeah. >> Um, like including stop motion animation. >> Just the amount of time and effort and care that would have went into crafting that is is really awesome. And that is it's just super cool. >> No, so much creativity in those. And uh just the way that the the spread of multimedia keeps surprising you the more it goes on. And then um it almost felt like Joe Danger um was like a throwback to more classic EAP memes while the the Teletubbies was obviously just like holy [ __ ] [laughter] >> You're taking this little thing from what was it? EAP MIDI as well. It wasn't even the mainline episode. >> Um I I like I said I remember it, but I could be wrong. I have no idea honestly cuz we've had a few times of speaking about stuff like that, you know. So, makes it makes sense. >> Um, thank you for another year of great year of premium content. Can't wait for the doomsday coverage in December and Ahsoka season 2 on EAP TV. Yeah, all of it's on the way. It's uh [laughter] >> world briefly, right, where the SOA would have over overlapped with those cuz it got delayed. I remember when I was trying to plan out the rest of my year, there was a brief time when it was going to be Doomsday, Rings of Power and Ahsoka. I think it was going to be all three in basically the same time >> on GTA. >> But thankfully, it's the one good and [ __ ] GTA. The one nice thing Dave Fona has ever done for me in my life is delaying [clears throat] season 2. >> That is nice of him. Though I do find it funny that Rings of Power, they're probably like, "Well, GTA is like a video game, so we don't like directly compete against that, so we could just like release our show right next to it." I [laughter] It's very rude of them as well to four episodes right at the start. But like that is a that is a misplaced confidence, I would say. The idea of like, well, it's a video game, so we don't need to worry about it. It's like, dude, everything should move out of the way probably if they're smart. >> Uh, happy anniversary. Thank you guys for all your hard work. I found this channel with The Last Jedi video. Then the algorithm sent me to Fnt. Your streams and long videos make the 12-hour shifts go by quicker. Hail to 400 more and keep being long. Honestly, since the beginning of of EAB, I've always liked the idea that we can help out on that front as a a media podcast that one offers the chance for because you'll find a lot of different podcasts that go into movies, they'll do like a half hour segment on being like, what did you broadly like about film? What did you not whereas we were like, all right, we're just going to do like every scene and just talk about it. um kind of you know I wouldn't it wouldn't be an alien concept doing it with some of my friends over the days but simultaneously then trying to drift into some meta could be box office could be different things people have said about it or you know what it represents where it's from and stuff and you end up being like wait that's like 8 hours it's like which is handy for people who are very long and uh you can call it monotonous jobs which uh is what I had a couple of times and there's a lot of podcasts help me out at the time so I was like that would be a a very cool bonus um you know among other things to to hear that he can sort out for people. >> Um, >> it is weird being on them though cuz I I think it might have been around the time when I like first appeared on evap the rings of power stuff. So it's like two or three back toback that were really long and I had another one. It's like more of an interview one where I was on and it had been going for an hour and the guy wrapped it up. I was like but that I've only just got started where in the remaining four hours I've got so much more to say. It's uh it's unusual to go from a default length podcast to any other podcast. You just think that's just kind of that was just the intro, but never mind. >> Um, wow. I cannot believe it's been 8 years from the Dawn Last of Us Rings of Powerage. I'm honored to have been here since episode 2. Congrats, uh, guys, and here is to a great anniversary. Well, hopefully it was. Um, >> yeah, >> last few years have been difficult, but the time spent in your company have been a bomb. Thanks for another year of insight and silliness. also high ranks. Well, thank you very much. Glad we can act as a bomb. I paused my 15th Boogie Doc EFAP rewatch for this and I know that's true because it is like the most rewatched even more so the the most watched in total is still uh Rise of Skywalker, but to be fair that came out in 2019. Um >> it'll be hard for anything to beat that. But the one that always tops it is, and I think it's part two of the uh Darth Boogie, the wide. So the basically the full Cancer arc is all that one that gets rewatched the most by EAP fans. >> I so enjoy that name. >> That was your name. That was that was uh >> I think so. Yeah, >> cuz I wasn't sure what to call it. [laughter] We may end up using that Dave again. >> Wise wide. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Uh, holy 400 Batman. I know, right? As I type this, 3,64 people watching and rising. The people crave the long and anyone who says otherwise is shorter than wet bread. Oh my god. Happy anniversary, lads. Appreciate you all massively. And hello, Rags. Well, thank you very much. Criticism of the day. Congratulations. That doesn't sound like criticism at all, >> but thank you. >> Congratulations of the day. >> You get to keep the same acronym. I was there Gandalf 3,000 years ago when they watched the first Jared video and we may just have done another. I enjoyed watching him review the Stinky Cheese Man book. That's where he I think found his stride. That's where he should be, you know. >> Well, compared compared to screaming so loud that the microphone I don't even know that you could say that it peaked. That was something else. >> That was something else. It was not ready, but reviewing children's books that he still enjoys while wearing a funny hat. That's You can tell he was happy and that's where he needs to be. Um, you guys have a lot of memes for people of long. I mean, maybe not. I don't know. But I have a USB stick that's also a gun. >> The panic. The quiet panic when he said it because he knew how bad it sounded. I've been watching EAB for 30 years. Me in 2048. Well, I think if we are [laughter] streaming an episode on year 30, we will get a thousand [ __ ] messages that say that. [laughter] >> Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. >> Happy 400 massives. Here's to a lot of money for a person of color. Or is it not? I don't know. Oh, you guys sent the both. Do you know what? That was right. I I choose to believe you did that separately. Yes, you did. I feel again it is worth acknowledging that he knew he [ __ ] up and he tried to salvage it as best he could by pointing cuz this was back when again he still had something to uh >> to lose. >> To lose. Yeah. Love you guys. Well, thank you very much. Kick Jay. We can't kick Jay. Jay is not kickable currently but maybe in future. Eight years of EAP. I hope Lcow lives uh LCAL live. Sorry, lasts eight years. I don't [laughter] I hope it ends so that Boogie is under pressure again. That's what I >> I I want to see Boogie have to like try to do something with his YouTube channel >> back to doing videos talking like this is my rambling series, my vlogging series. I need him to go back to that and talk about how >> he's done one like one little thing, one small thing and it's just radically transformed his world view and he's fixed. is one of my favorite boogie things from, you know, a few years ago was him just trying to shortcut having a character arc. >> It's actually >> I did this one thing. I'm fix now. So, everybody like me now and give me money. >> I'll have a clip in the selection where he says that he's um like it shouldn't be some kind of revelation that he's a liar. That's that's who he is. And then Keemstar says, "I thought you had your stupid mushroom trip where you decided you were a good person now." >> [laughter] >> And I was like, "Oh, >> yeah, >> man." >> No, man. I'm glad he remembered because that was hilarious. And the best part was um it it was a it was kind of a two-parter because after the first one, it was this sort of profound awakening and then the second one he did that video where he was crying about how horrible he was. >> Yeah. Um, [laughter] just that that's that's like my favorite kind of boogie content is is him essentially trying all of the different strategies to see how he can manipulate people and failing and essentially not benefiting from it. That's that's what I need. So, no, I I hope uh I do hope that show comes to an end so that he's forced to go back to his YouTube channel. Uh, since EAP started, I got my first job, got married, moved away from home, and cried about uh, world being gone at least 100 times. Wald being gone. I don't if there's a um, spelling mistake there or not, but we we get a lot of people telling us just how much they've done over the course of time since EAB zero. And it's it's no longer really in the capacity of being shocking anymore because eight years is a long time. A lot of stuff happens in eight years. >> Exactly. Because because you think, "Wow, that's a lot." And then you go, "Well, it's a decade." >> Yeah. >> So close to it. So, you know, >> I guess it makes sense. >> I mean, what's the Tony Robbins? People overestimate what they can do in a year, but underestimate what they can do in 10 or something like that. That has some bearing on this. >> Yeah, we could [clears throat] >> uh No, I don't [laughter] think so. >> Just just No. No. Actually, no. Not possible. >> I think outright, right? You have to be born in the United States to be the president of >> No. Yeah. All three of us are actually ineligible permanently. But >> that's right. >> You're in spirit. In spirit will be the president. As an American, I call it mini golf. Putt putt is the name of a cat who doesn't use a litter box and instead saves it for when you're holding him. >> This was a conversation we had at some point, I recall, where um >> which just mini golf is a way better name than putt putt. >> Well, it's it's just perfectly descriptive. It is golf but miniature. >> Yeah. >> Whereas putt putt, I don't know what that means. What is a putt? What what is what does putt mean? Is that a verb? >> Putt is a it's a golfing maneuver. You putt on, don't you? >> Well, you get the putter as well. >> Yeah. >> So, why is it why is it twice? >> Cuz it's all you do and they want to emphasize the fact. You could try using a driver in a mini golf range, but I don't think it would go very well. >> You know what? I wonder if there's an issue there where you have a name that involves terminology that somebody might not even be familiar with in as opposed to >> if you know anything about golf you'll know about the putter and to putt but >> um my but what comes first knowing about putting or knowing about golfing >> golf I think it's like table tennis and whiffw table tennis is much more useful because it's descriptive and whiff is not >> I advocate for for the name mini golf but I would say It to me this might be a result of like is is mini golf like the description of the activity while putt putt is like a franchise >> maybe because but but that's an interesting case of um I feel like that is more so a a thing of American English compared to it's like when they call it a Kleenex it's like it's a tissue is what it is Kleenex is a brand or jello it's like well jello is a brand gelatin jelly is the actual >> thing. >> I googled it. Part Put is in fact a registered trademark and brand name. It is owned and franchised by the part fund center. >> I prefer to avoid referring to an activity or a product by a brand name if I can. I prefer not to fall for the marketing. >> Oh. Um, uh, my sister visited, we we watched something that I can't yet reference, but we will in time be able to, uh, for for for legal reasons. But I don't Well, that sounds way worse than it's it's funny reasons is what I'm saying. Don't worry about it. But like the um, we we were drunk enough, but um, we still wanted to pick up um, some some extra. She wanted more wine. I was like, "Oh, well, the store is still open, so we can go in." And I was just walking around grabbing some stuff and I noted like I I just randomly entered the aisle that has bleach in it and I was just like, "Um, oh yeah, [ __ ] I think I actually did run out of bleach." And I was like, "Okay, I'll just pop one in." I scanned um uh Jack Daniels and of course it was it was like it was like half 11 so there's nobody around except the dude on the on the thing and he was like, "Yeah, let me clear it." And then I scanned the bleach and of course that the the Jack Daniels like you got to clear this to make sure you're 18. But the bleach was fine. And I just like I asked him, I was like, "How come there's not an age restriction on bleach?" And he was like, "Um, I guess I guess they just don't expect people to drink bleach." [laughter] >> You know, I think that's a reasonable expectation, but uh but unfortunately with each passing year, I guess that's less of a reasonable expectation. >> I was just thinking about it. Would I think there should be an age restriction on Bleach or not? It's like I don't know. put age restrictions on um Prit stick >> is it >> yeah well they I don't know if it was like just localized to my area but at one point they were age restricting prestige for like you had to be 16 or over because people were sniffing all the glue and getting high in school you wouldn't expect people to do that but they do so you know people will find interesting ways to [ __ ] around with any nondescript household product >> if enough people did drink bleach and died then they probably would just put a but not enough have yet so they're like well >> well Yeah, cuz if you started applying it to that, I mean, there would be a substantial number of things you can buy at the shops that are just normal everyday household products like that you would have to restrict if that was the way that it worked. It's like, yeah, but what if somebody was like stupid and decided to consume it even though they shouldn't? It's like, well, what if somebody decides to consume like shaving cream? They just decide that they want to eat that, you know? >> Like that sounds like a TikTok. >> Surprise eggs. They introduced like they got rid of the little plastic containers capsules from inside Kinder Surprise eggs because a child ate one and choked on it and so no one else was allowed to have fun. >> Although the whole point of Kinder Surprise was that there's a surprise in the egg. >> Yeah, Idiot [ __ ] child. You're supposed to eat the in part, not the out part. But [laughter] um No. Yeah, that's a Tik Tok trend of like how much bleach can you drink before you pass out and then other household items. you're just some stupid name. >> You know, it is very funny. There's the sort of traditional kind of advice of like don't trust any everything you see on the internet. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's actually a lot of really useful stuff that you can learn on the internet. However, that advice is still also true very much so because people just believe like things >> that they they see on the internet like yeah, you could just like do that and then there'll be no problems or even you can do that and it'll be healthy. It's like who who are you listening to? I do I do enjoy like this sort of thing where people people have a lot of people have this massive skepticism for any sort of institutional like organized thing, but then they'll just believe some random loser on the internet like wholesale for some something that they have no idea what it is. >> Trust complicated or something. >> Your parents were right when they said don't trust everything you read on the internet. But also, they were kind of wrong. But they were kind of right, too. As as with many bits of advice and as with many normal bits of advice about navigating the world, >> like don't trust everything you read, but also don't trust everything you hear, but also don't trust this very piece of advice you've been given right now fully. And you're like, "Okay, so what am I supposed to do?" And you're like, "That's my ass kind of life, isn't it? Who knows what you're supposed to do? Figure it out." Um, thanks for all the laughs, boys. It's so interesting watching entertainment change over the last eight years. Enjoy you all more than what's going on in theaters now. >> Yeah, I mean, you know, evidenced by box office results. It's just that people moved away from >> uh the cinema quite largely in the course of that eight years. >> And that be said, it hasn't 2026 been like the biggest year for movies since 2019? >> Well, hands moved away. >> 2026, rather. Oh, and they came back. They came back for Spider-Man. Brand New Day. >> Came back for the Odyssey, too. Cinema is alive and well, as we discover Mario Galaxy Toy Story 5. Yeah, Mario Galaxy. It's It's funny because every year that's the best year for the box office is like a notably horrible year. 2019 was a really bad year. Um, and I know that people would say, "Yeah, but what about like all those Oscar movies like Marriage Story and stuff?" I was like, "Yeah, sure." But that was the year of I think Disney had like eight of the 10 highest grossing movies of the year and they were all sequels or remakes. Um, >> which year was remake? >> 2019 2019 they made four live action remakes. They made Lion King, they made Aladdin, they made >> Maleficent 2 and um, and I'm pretty sure Dumbo as well. And I think The Lady in the [ __ ] also got released on Disney Plus. That's what I'm And all and all of these films were very successful pretty except for like Dumbo, but you know all of them were making like a billion dollars. It was the year the endgame which is a horrible movie made like $2.5 billion. Frozen 2. It was it was all sorts of like a lot of a lot of what we've been dealing with for the last essentially 8 years kind of coinciding with EFAP is a consequence of 2019. um and and what was learned essentially about what was profitable when it comes to making movies. And so uh I think that this year might also be the same thing and that front and I don't think it's a good thing whatever lessons are learned. Get your wet bread and cupcakes ready. Happy 8th anniversary, long lads. Thank you for all the discussion, the tisms, the good rat, the lock balls, the tipples and cherry. Good fortune to you all. Well, thank you very much. >> Oh, thanks. Loved how in Titanic the architecture and scenery was bright, colorful, luxurious, and wonderfilled. Seems major films now want to convince us that before we were born everything was smog, gray or poop brown. There's um you like the one that shocks me uh even though it shouldn't is just the insane adherence to the murky brown hyper long landscape that they put uh all the superheroes stuff in. Like being >> Yeah. Why are they always in flat? It's insane to me that the most expensive film possibly ever made is like look at our climax gonna have Doom and the Sentinels versus every hero you've ever imagined in, you know, Sludge Land. You're like, what? Why? >> Only 15 years ago, it's like in the middle of New York. It's like, yeah, of course, because that's a way more dynamic space for a for a final battle to take place. >> You do lots of cool stuff with that as a landscape. But, uh, yeah, it's it's easier it's easier to deal with, I guess, if you just put them in a big field. less stuff to worry about. You can just CGI like everything to solve your problems >> instead of having to, you know, really really really think it through. >> No, it's it's um yeah, it's a bit unfortunate. The uh whatever the style will be of the 2020s, I don't think it's one that anybody's going to be looking back on particularly fondly. Since this will be read on the EFAB catchup of the 31st of February 2028, well, we were a little bit earlier than that. um opinions on pineapple on pizza and why the western world doesn't like it. >> It seems to be like a 50/50 for the Western world, if you will. Every person you ask, you don't know what kind of result you get. >> Can't speak to everybody, but for me, it's uh it's it's just a classic conflict in my mouth of both. It's the wrong texture combination and then it's the wrong taste combination. >> I um Yep. >> So, both hit at the same time and they just they put me right off wanting to eat that. It's like that's not what you're supposed to do with that. But that is quintessentially a taste thing. If you don't have those reactions and you do enjoy it, then there you go. It works. Food is like that. I suppose >> I one of my dirty secrets actually is I quite like pineapple on pizza. I just don't admit to it very often. [laughter] >> I still think that's way more defensible than saying you hate onions. Like the just in all forms. >> No, of course. Of course it is. Onions are just you have no idea how much onions are a part of the food that you eat. Meanwhile, pineapple is quite an unusual food to encounter. Yeah. Oh, I'm eapping. Eapping so hard. Oh, my media literacy is everywhere. It's so messy. Oh, I'm eapping. Oh, okay. That that feels like a maybe some kind of Rick and Morty type thing. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, that's uh Mr. Poopoo butthole, right? >> It could be. I don't know if they want are going for that, but yes, [laughter] happy 400 lads. Let's get the insufferable gym steering gr over with. I decided I would spare you all permanently, unless of course a very special video comes up someday, which may happen. You never know. It's funny though to be like Mark Brown will be replacing. It's like I don't know about that. Okay, I'm not saying that he's our new starter. Okay. Um, happy 400 gens. Now it's time for our annual suffering courtesy of Sterling. No, no, I have spared you. What fortune I have that EAP 400 falls on my birthday this year. Get to listen to you guys while chilling with Metroid Dread. Cheers and happy anniversary. That's a good game to chill with, I hear. >> It's a cool game. >> 8 years. God. And to think it all started with a safe full of halfeaten yo-yos. But anyways, guys, I mean, it was quite the video to start the show on. Oo, it's the annual torture Theo segment. Yay. Oh, I'm wondering when we're going to hit the um the the goal cuz uh that'll be coming up any time now. A lot of these messages are very early, but that was also very early. When do we cuz this is more than just your average torture for Theo. >> Did we lock him in on the jade or did we say just at some undefined point in the future? >> We didn't lock him in on the stream. I mean, he probably wouldn't have been able to guarantee anything, but he has been paid and I think he's also paid the finders fee to um the guy who [laughter and gasps] suggested it, Swollpool. So, um I think he he broadly we're expected to get this within like within two weeks like he's going to start doing it. So, it's just got to get set up, I imagine. Uh happy 400th, Eab and Toxic Brood. Thanks for an incredible 8 years and here's to 100 more. Listen, I'd like to, but I don't think we can do a 100 more years. Going to going to run out of um you know, life juice or whatever. But we'll give it a better shot. Platoon, I put a hex on you. Every so often, you'll experience a fear flash. They'll never scare you, but you'll be irritated by them. The only way to lift or avert this hex is to play Soma before 450. Happy 400 Humbo rags. It's kind of terrifying because I The reason I know that Hex has worked is that I have two brown envelopes from HM Revenue and Customs sitting on the table in front of me and they both arrived since the anniversary. >> No, and that's true. They are they are less scary, more annoying. It's like for [ __ ] sake. >> I unfortunately can't watch this live. Um I look forward to the full weekend of evening content. Thank you in advance and for all the pastisms. Yeah, I mean all of it. I usually put it out within the week. Um though it it it is inevitably basically spam on the Mooler channel, but it's the right kind of spam at this point cuz I think you guys want to get it as soon as possible. I'd um I put like all of it out and then on Open Bar, I think it was someone was like, "Where's the third part?" I was like, "It's give it a sec." Okay, put like two videos out a day or some [ __ ] You'll get it. You'll get it when you fix this damn door. Which feels aggressive, but you know. Happy anniversary. Thank you for not judging me for the embarrassing number of hours I listen to your always entertaining repertoire. Repatier repier. What does that mean? What's What's repati? Repati. >> Does that sound familiar? >> Sounds vaguely French. >> Oh, it's definitely French, but I don't know. French rep >> means a quick, clever, and amusing reply or back and forth conversation filled with witty remarks. Oh my goodness. Well, add that to the uh proverbial pipe and smoke it for your your vocabulary or something. Thank you. >> Um I can never decide which of you is my favorite, but it's ultimately between uh Fringy Little Patoon, Muller, and Rags. Oh, you've narrowed it down. >> Ah, [laughter] >> been watching since junior high and now getting my bachelor's. First live EAP was eight. Wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Going back. Hail Chad, happy anniversary, Ephab. Thank you very much. Happy 400 chaps. Any video essays you'd unironically recommend? Shout out to Cosmic Turtle for not existing so the Cosmic Chicken could Well, I'll always recommend a Hoy if he counts. I don't know that >> if that's Yeah, cuz the problem is video is a category. I just I it's like just just YouTubers. That's you know that's that's it. Um, obviously I mean I hate to say it this way but basically all the guests we have broadly I would recommend a lot of the stuff they make. It feels um almost redundant but you know a lot of them make either streams where they break things down like movies or games but then a couple make a lot of like very detailed and edited uh prepared video essays if you want to call it that breakdowns whatever have you. Um, what else? What else? This there's there's so many that sometimes I forget that I'm still listening to a bunch of different people, but uh, you know, it's definitely changed since I first did evap to now. There's a handful of people I'm sure everyone's aware that I, uh, used to listen to, but don't so much anymore. Um, trying to think of anybody recent or new. Maybe that's something I need to do is search out some more new video essaists. But I won't be able to because they probably don't call themselves that out of embarrassment or humiliation. I feel like the video essay genre is just is just embarrassing. Like uh >> I mean there's a I mean it's it's almost inherently pretentious the the title of a video essay. >> Well, you know um you know what I think we covered the best video ever to to symbolize why it's just a disaster as the first thing we covered. I say the first thing we covered, we didn't cover it, but you know the um covering Super Mario Galaxy and the Holocaust. >> It's just like what [clears throat] why are you what are you doing? Like that calling it a video essay for some reason like imbuss the person who writes it with this unwarranted confidence. >> Yes. >> Like that what they're saying has some sort of authority and because it's it's more considered than just they're not just speaking their mind. they wrote down all of their terrible ideas instead. And so now suddenly they're not so bad. >> You know, there's so many different formats of how everything's gone wrong in terms of different people's coverage that it's uh it's almost hard to cuz like I I've said before, I happily was like EAP can be this place where I can sort of show rags and Wolf and the audience like my issues with all of the different media breakdowns that currently exist. And it's not gotten better. in the in the eight years. If anything, uh I just miss now having people who will whackily come up with a completely different and unique experimental way of talking about the things that they love because they love the thing as opposed to everyone being so hellbent on take for example there are so many Gman lives now where you can't trust a single [ __ ] thing they say and it sucks. There are so many um >> you know different people who who only have an additional goal. They have nothing. They don't care about the media in any way, shape, or form. And I'm not just talking about, you know, you know, like when Spider-Man comes out and it's super popular. And you're like, oh boy, for some reason Bat Walsh and Ben Shapiro have reviews. And you're like, huh? Why? And you're like, because they were told by their like producers, hey, this is a big hit. >> In the case of Matt Walsh, it's like, well, we know that you just have like a lot of contempt for this like kind of thing anyway. >> So, what do you like? Come on. Come on now. like what what is your what's your angle? >> And then there's just like you know the the overall culture war stuff that goes back and forth on extreme ends that gets extremely tired tiring and you just want to have more discussions that are like hey I I actually do want to talk about whether the laser beam is powerful enough to go through the shield. Okay. What's this? >> No, you don't. You just want to [laughter] You just want to advocate for specific political party. Like, oh, >> okay. >> I feel like this says more about you than it does anybody else. >> Um. Ah, yes. The yearly ritual. Hard to believe it's been 8 years already. Keep on keeping on, you massives. I'll try my best to keep up with you, lads. Well, we'll see how you do. Happy 400 and 400 more years. And please tell me, what does beasts mean, precious? What does it mean? It's It's just so funny. >> I also his final stream and that glitch was still going. >> Yep. >> On the last [ __ ] level as well. >> He had a really great play through thanks to that. Um I [ __ ] like I was not kidding. I nearly lost it all over again when we covered it on the anniversary, but I was watching him live go through the carton section and I was dying. >> You just keep saying, "What does [laughter] it mean? He was tortured so much. It was the perfect like I think he asked he was a thousand goal and I think his entire chat would agree that was worth it like 100%. I will be able to tell you the result um or rather chat will know the result by the time I say this but you two will not yet. Um uh uh as have I told you this platoon as plans on the next real BBC to put up a goal of 50/50s to make him play Gollum again because a super chat did him too cuz Theo did it >> and and and as was definitive. He was like if it does not reach the 50/50s he does not have to do it. >> So you know this is a one and done like it either happens or it doesn't. He he's he seems confident they won't. What what do you think the odds are? What do you reckon? >> 5050s. So, >> do hundreds not count as 250s? >> I don't think so. And I hope chat has recognized that if they want to really pump the uh the thing, don't don't submit 100. At least I think the 100 only counts as 150, if you will. >> Yeah. Um, in that case, I don't know. I'm not sure. >> I guess I'm not 100% sure, but I think I think I think it will. I think momentum might build. It's a three-hour stream >> and >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> You know, I think a lot of people would be donating to sort of ask, you know, questions and sort of celebrate the uh the show anyway and they'll just convert them into contributions to >> Oh, of course, if if it's all 50s for any reason ever, then yeah, that that increases the odds. He's still just salty that he didn't extort his audience to play mixtape like everybody else did except me. I didn't do that either. Maybe I should do it. I think that it'll hit and he'll be like, "Whatever. I got I got 200,000 two, sorry, not 200, [laughter] 2,500." And that's uh that'll be great. But when he gets to halfway through that campaign, he'll regret it. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. >> He'll be like, "This wasn't [ __ ] worth it." And then he'll blame me and I'll be like, "Listen, you did this. You did this." >> But no, I won't uh I won't lie. I'm a little bit excited to see how that goes. Um, happy anniversary, dudes. Thank you. Ad block penance payment. If you're filling out a survey and think onions are gross, you're objectively wrong. Hi, Rags. Um, I appreciate that, by the way. Thank you. But never you you don't have to feel like you owe us anything by turning ad block on. It's uh that's a I think that's borderline protective of your PC at this point on on the online world. the amount of ads that can appear on any good page. Not just ads, but like the the format of which they do it such that they'll turn up in places that you'll click >> deliberately and fast and just be like, "Excuse me." And then like, "Oh, you clicked it. >> You did it." >> The way just on YouTube, it makes it so much more. You've got the the sidebyside ads which are just horrible. And then it auto spams so many ads into any like so live streams do it too because it's I always have to I always forget to do this but you now have to go in every time you finish a live stream. If you leave that on YouTube you have to go in and delete like basically 9/10 of the thousand adverts that it automatically spams on there. Then YouTube wonders why everybody uses ad block to avoid all of its ads. And it's because you keep automatically spamming them and making me turn them off and then I forget sometimes. Just make it a better experience and people wouldn't have to use it so much. Exactly. Um, happy episode 400, EAP. For me, the anniversaries have had bad timing with life events. 24 2024 was stolen catalytic converter. 2025 cyst surgery. 2026. I'm looking around nervously. Oh, I hope hopefully it was nothing then. >> Hopefully, >> or rather it was good things. [laughter] Like that would be better. >> Mhm. >> Uh, anyway, EAB forever, baby. Tipples. I'm sure if the more times Tipples is said, the more power the the stream gets. I'm pretty sure. But um thank you. Does the Na'vi being the only non-ear life forms on Pandora and Avatar 1 with four limbs mean their ancestors were also colonizers from another world? >> Are they limbs? Like literally everything else except for them. >> Do they? >> Yeah. Like all the all the horses and everything, they all have six legs. four limbs whereas on earth lots of stuff has four limbs you know lots and lots and lots of stuff so it is an interesting >> is um >> aspect >> is the a number of limbs on earth a result of a common ancestor or is that something that develops separately >> mammals mammals will have four because that will be the result of common ancestry but then again reptiles have them >> reptile I mean there's you know it's it's uh And and what's to be said for the fact that birds have, you know, two legs, but they've also got two wings. Like four limbs is just >> very very very very very common. >> Is there any three limbs? >> Uh nothing that I can think of. It seems like we we don't like asymmetry like in terms of uh in terms of animals for the most part. It seems like asymmetry is not desirable. everything. It's four. It's 2468 for everything, right? Mo lots of, you know, two eyes except for insects, obviously. But the thing is is that what they're pointing out on Pandora is like all the animals have six limbs. >> Yeah. >> Except for like >> Oh, the whales don't or or the birds, but like all the land like the the dogos and everything. I'm pretty sure they have six legs. >> The horses have six legs. >> I resent being made to think about Pandora again. Yeah, >> I would never want to. [laughter] >> No, not anymore. He doesn't. >> I like the the most common number of legs for animals on Earth is 6 and 8 because of the numbers. >> That makes sense. Yeah. >> Of how many insects, arachnids, and I guess like bacteria. [laughter] The zeros belong to nematodes, worms, snakes, snails, and fish. >> Oh, right. Oh. Oh, well, I I guess cuz fish don't technically have legs, but you know, they've got fins, which feel like a limb, but I guess that makes sense. >> Yeah. And then arachnids and scorpions, tetropods, mammals, reptiles, and amphibians with the four. And then birds and humans with the two. But >> well, we got two legs, but you know, the arms are >> two limbs. >> Oh, no. I I asked specifically legs on this one. I was just curious. >> Who? >> Right. >> But no. Yeah. Anyway, um 400 years ago, the closest event that happened was August 27th's Battle of Lutter or Lutter. Catholic League defeats Danish King Christian IV. Weird how Ephab started right before the battle. How time flies. Yeah, I remember that battle. We covered it. I think >> we talked about sort of like the the themes. Um, it was uh quite interesting. Happy Ephabversary. Happy 8th anniversary to the toxic brood and all who celebrate. Thank you for the insight, memes, and laughs. And here's to another eight. You're here. Thank you very much. 8 years he has to pick tonight. That one guy in the Dark Knight Rises referring to Batman that went on to play Krennic in Rogue One. got his neck snapped by Bane. >> Yeah. >> Do you feel in charge? >> Been watching since Rags' TLJ video. I still remember the prefab April Fool's stream. Wolf got super high and flirted with Mhler and begged him and with him begging chat for help. Anyways guys, here's to Bettymore. Good times. Here's $2 for Gollum. Uhoh. I think uhoh for the Golem fund. block balls to somehow go one inflation. Also, it's funny cuz I've got it in here. It says goal created at Mer you uh YouTubers started a goal. So, people were sending support before the goal even existed. They knew this was something that had to be had to be done. Uh, congrats on 400 episodes, guys. Celebratory dinosaur. Sorry. Oh, actually, wait. Uh, this recommending a dinosaur. We will I will put that in the uh to look at section. No problem. Um, oh my, we have a lot of French here. Episode 12. Oh, I think they're saying they discovered the show on episode 12. I I don't know what that means. Lem, >> thank you for something. Oh, [laughter] >> you've been watching EAB for so long and you haven't learned to speak human yet. What's going on? >> I know rags. A I got the N bit. That means high rags. >> Uh and then we get a 50 and a 50 and a 50. And they didn't even say anything in these 50s. They just threw him in to torture Theo. Theo's already a villain to the Elder Ring community. Well, he could be a villain to the Lord of Ring Gollum community. 50. Another 50. A 50 with suffer Theo. A training session for Iran Jerger's ODM gear skills. I I don't I don't even know what that's referencing, but that was thrown in among 50s. >> Jerger from Attack on Titan. Jaggers are Pacific Rim, and they >> they're also Pacific Rim robots. >> Well, don't know. Uh Theo always improves his stream. Glad he could make it. Wish he could review more games I like. Um I'm playing the Neo games because of him, though. Bastard. Well, you'll get to review Lord of Ring Gollum at some point. This is another 50. Um Theo is my favorite supporting character, and his absence from the Council of Gollum is a travesty. Well, we'll fix that with the another 250s. I feel like I'm obligated to donate. Yeah. Well, [laughter] for metal, someone put for a 50. Go Theo with a 50. Uh, you can't escape Theo. Lock balls. I love I love democracy. Apparently, uh, Nick recently cuz he's completed Golem now. He he got his own lock balls segment. And apparently the combination was immensely hilarious because it would be lock balls and then what does it mean precious? What do the pieces mean? [laughter] Peace was never an option. Yes, fair enough. Let's go, Theo. We do this because we love you. Yeah, it was. So, I had spoken to someone about how fast this was, and I had described it as it happened in 20 minutes as a as a surprising. It was four four minutes exactly. Or I say exactly, but essentially, >> damn. >> Four minutes to raise $2,500. And you're like, "Oh, wow. What good cause like to force Theo to play Gollum? That's the best cause. >> It is as always. This is a form of love, Theo. You weak, pathetic fool. [laughter] Fair enough. Oh, Theo, you brought this on yourself. Suffer, Theo. Here's 150th for the bounty. Bye, Theo. Was no nice knowing you. Like I said, there's the We just had this untapped whole area of the EAB fandom that really wanted Theo to play Gollum. Enjoy, Theo. And we will react to his super cut of playing it one day. Not exactly soon, but soon soon relatively perhaps in the universe. Lock balls. Theo lock bell. More stuff for Theos. That makes sense. Or Theo. I like depending on the person, they feel they are supporting Theo or attacking him. Both of them apply. >> This was entirely by accident. I think that was from Swoll actually. Uh, I said I'd put down 200. Well, I guess someone put down five 450s just just which, you know, when you're dealing with this sort of thing, it's like 450s. That's already a significant way along. And it makes everyone else feel like it's more possible. And so, there's just no way he'll survive at that point. Second super chat of all time. I love Theo, so this is my excuse to see him make more content. Cheers. That is another reason I think why this probably did get a lot of enthusiasm. It forces him to talk about video games on his own stream. And uh a lot of people were like, "Oh, we gonna get mixtape." Guys, gollum is a way better prospect. Mixtape you can be done with in like two and a half hours if you wanted to be. Gollum you can't. Golem's not only a long game, some of it is difficult. You remember the [ __ ] Sheilob section. >> Oh god. >> It's uh Yeah, like it's it's more of a real video game >> unfortunately. Yes. >> Yeah, you can get [clears throat] stuck. Sorry, Theo, but this is too good an opportunity to miss. Go Theo, we love you. I think that was my message. Hi, Rags. Uh, line for Mer to say full boodingly. The raiding party was no match for the valiant defenders. The toxic brood remains safe for now. I don't know if that's meant for something, but there you go. Lock balls. Every little bit counts. Time for fun times, Theo. That's the thing. That's the thing. All of this is in really good fun. Theo's going to love it. I think it's going to be one of his top games of all time, honestly. Um, I want Theo to know it was me. [laughter] Maha, suffer, Theo. So, it's all very fair. Bonjour, do it. I think honestly at this point, it's already probably close to being reached. Sorry, Theo. This one's just a spite metal. Oh. Ooh, pretty button. I wonder what it does. Golem must win the argument. lock balls. It's crazy how it's this long after, you know, we talk about cultural impacts for different things. Um, there's a conversation about how Spider-Man it's it's one of the was it like number five grossing film of all time now or if if not more and uh it just feels like a little bit disproportionate to how much it's impact is going to have of of like I don't know culture film in general. It's just we're in a weird state for stuff like that. Meanwhile, you know, Gollum probably didn't even really sell that much at all. And look at the impact it's had culturally. Yeah. >> Immense. Immense. Certainly on the EAB world. I don't know. This is for the ban Theo. Oh. Oh, look. He's blushing. >> [ __ ] it. We go again. Much love, Theo. I think several people donated more than once just to make this happen. They couldn't resist it not happen. I had I I I'd said like, "Oh, it's unfortunate. I can't make it so that it uh the maximum goal time you can do is 3 hours. And I was like, "Oh, I should probably I was thinking like it would be nice if I could do it the like 11 for the first stream, assuming it went that long." I don't think we we even needed the three or the or the two or the 1 hour. You know, it kind of went a lot faster than I'd anticipated to make Gollum win the argument. Love you, Theo. Time to lock balls. Well, looks like he will be one day. My last donation was for Ephab, and this one is for you, Theo. Aw, this is punishment for not uploading more. Well, now he will have to upload more and like upload as a stream. There you got him. Make sure you eat a pineapple pizza while playing it as well. O, you guys are asking a bit too much. Can't go too torturous with this, you know. Worth it. Lock balls. Theo send nudes. Also, hello rags. Hello, wolf. And uh got a let's go, which I think is natural. I love watching all of you slowly sinking into insanity. It's been ages since uh my run with Gollum because I I was one I I played it the day it came out. Like uh Fingy Platoon, you guys are Were you Were you round two if I remember correctly? >> Yes, round two. >> Yes. So Theo will be round three and uh everyone assumes a round three will be the last round. I'm starting to get concerned about that. >> No, I don't think so because at some point there's got to be an ultimate card if we've done a super card. >> You mean where it combines all three? Yeah. >> Rounds. Well, yes, but does that preclude the notion of a round four? >> No, not at all. >> There could be many interstitial things before we hear the ultimate cut. [laughter] [gasps] >> Says, uh, Theo Theo Theo Theo Theo Theo Theo Theo for the Elder Rig. Make sure he plays 1.0 version. I don't even know that we can ensure that happens, but that would be the funniest. Where did Theo game on a farm? How much for mixtape also again? Don't don't worry about that. We got Golem. We log Gollum in. I love watching all of you sink into humanity. And then it says, "Thanks to the participants. Mhler YT has achieved the goal." So there you go. Done. And done to the horror of poor Theo. So it's uh it's locked in now. And you know what? He'll uh he'll be able to spend that 2,500 on different things, but eventually it'll turn to zero and he'll still have to play Gollum if he hasn't already. And when it's played, it'll forever be a memory in his head. Theo 2,500 for Gollum. You You won't pay it. Eat out. Lol says we says, like I said, I would have paid it probably on my own just cuz it would be really funny. It would personally amuse me. Um I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. That I mean that could be that could be someone channeling Theo at that point. Gollum for the Golem gods. I've heard that there is a duogy of Bollywood films called Dawn and Dawn 2 where they can get a smile in EAP movies. Shout out to Danvas Music. Hell yeah. Who needs health insurance? Boogie. That is a quote from him, I think. Yeah. When he was talking about Yeah. This was when do you remember uh where they figured out that he monetized just different parts of his his cancer [ __ ] right? Cuz he said the video itself wasn't monetized and then someone points out that it did make money. Like they they found that that was true and there's ads on it right now or something. But also, of course, just because you don't make money on the announcement doesn't mean over the two years people thought it was real that they didn't also support you because of it. So, he agreed that he would put what remained in his bank account at the time into charity, which I want to say was something like 2,000 or 4,000. And um and they were like, to make up for it, you should do that. And then uh he said uh he said he needs the money for like different things, including his uh his medication and stuff. And then they were like, you know, continuingly talking about how he's not authentically sorry about all this. He's like, "Okay, well, [ __ ] my medication then. [ __ ] my health. It's just like whatever [laughter] cuz he always plays. >> He can't help himself. >> Yeah, >> he can't help but do it. He's s >> He's such a worthless like [ __ ] loser. You don't get to leave hell. >> True. You don't. >> Yeah, it's kind of how it works most of the time. >> [laughter] >> uh as would cry tears of blood if he saw this since he played it for free. Well, um and you have a unique uh chance to know this person listening to this right now. So, if you go to I want to say it's Az's channel, I think um on the 1st of September would have been the real BBC episode, you'll know whether or not he has also achieved this same goal as Theo and will have to play Lord of Ring Gollum. Like I said, my expectation is he will. Um, but who knows? It does. It just depends on whether or not there's a there's a desire for that to happen. Um, and we shall see. I could imagine that as his fans want to see him suffer through it again, cuz remember, I think other than Rags, he went the most insane playing that game. Um, he was he was in round one with me and metal, I want to say. Um, for the suffering of Theo, may your psychiatrist be paid. Now you'll experience the full power of lock balls. He will, and it'll be wonderful. Cuz the thing is, there's no amount of good you can be at a video game to be ready for for Gollum. On one end, the more familiar you are, the more you can avoid its tricks, but on the other, you can sort of get tripped up by how much things don't work properly. Um, something I consider underrated about how stupid that game is is how aggressively he snaps onto the walls and stuff. If you're like jumping towards it, he'll go like like splat you into correctly jumping onto something and just be like, "What the fuck?" I was like, "Yeah, well that's how Golem do. That's uh how we do." Theo play Lord of the Ring on PS4 and Xbox One. I imagine he'll play on PC. Um, means he'll get an uptoate version. He'll have a nice nice experience on that. Shout out to Vaughn Coleman. What did you think of the Kong film with John Goodman? Also, why did Gary cross the road? He didn't cuz he was late. Um, I didn't like the Kong film with uh with John. >> Didn't you love the thing where the guy gets slapped when he's doing the >> I thought it was funny. He get slapped it and explodes. >> Were you meant to laugh at that? Is that meant to be funny? That's that's been up for debate for a while cuz he's like trying to do a noble sacrifice and then he gets humiliated. So, it's kind of complicated in terms of like what do we >> feels like the goal the two different goals there. But, you know, all right. Um, it's also not quite I didn't I didn't I didn't get the impression that was quite the film like a scene that belongs in that film if you know what I mean. >> But, no, I uh I I didn't enjoy it uh any more than a lot of the sort of Monsterverse stuff. The only one I really kind of like, and that's still a stretch, is the original uh Godzilla in that in that universe continuity. The 2014 one, is it? >> Yeah. >> Um, and that's Gareth Edwards, too. You know, do you guys have any opinions on that movie or Kong? >> I don't remember anything about Kong. The only thing I remember from the Godzilla movie is that it has some quite pretty shots, which tracks because it's Gareth Edwards, and that it also is really disappointing, which tracks because it's Gareth Edwards. >> It gets notably worse when they don't have Brian Cranston anymore. >> They put him in all the trailers, didn't they? And it was short not that far after Breaking Bad. It was like, "Oh my god, he's going to be like the lead in the Godzilla movie." And he's dead within the first 10 minutes. Uh, it's like first half hour, but it's still still a I'd say bad then on Craven the Hunter is actually the main character >> and he's he's not playing a fun character. He's playing generic protagonist man. >> It is the best of them though by I think probably quite a long distance as well. >> They only get substantially worse as time goes on. Can't wait for Godzilla X Kong Supernova where they go to space next year. That'll be good. >> My first evap super chat was solely to make Theo suffer. A kind of beautiful in its own way. Hi Rags. Congratulations on eight years of Fappage. Been watching since year one and y'all have inspired me to make my own videos. Though I'm very inconsistent. I'm currently on page 20 of my long man first draft. Well, keep at it. Just keep chipping away. If you add to it once per day, even on the smallest way, it will complete eventually. Sometimes you'll get, it's like climbing a mountain. One day you'll be looking back and you like, "Holy [ __ ] look at how long that is." Any examples of stupid writing tropes being given enough explanation in universe that it makes sense why the characters are behaving that way, seeming like they're doing something that is typically seen as like really [ __ ] stupid in a broad tropy way, but that in this instance, it's actually pretty good. Well, um dare I say without going into more detail, uh resurrection comes up in in Buffy and Angel to be fair. And the let's say like [ __ ] five instances that it happens, I'd say four of them are really good. Uh, surprisingly considering how much of a bad move resurrection tends to be in writing as a little trope for beloved characters. Anything else fellas off the top of your top of your minds? I mean, on the similar theme of resurrection, I guess it would be Gandalf as a resurrection. As you say, resurrections often do not work particularly well for the story. it works pretty well for that story. There's sufficient in universe explanation for the magic behind it or the divine will behind it. So, it kind of makes a degree of sense. >> Um, uh, >> nothing else immediately. >> I'm almost drifting into thinking about subversive like attempts to change the way stories typically run. But if the question is more so it's like oh it's so cliche or or tropy that that thing happened but it was really good. I'm like h it almost makes me wonder would it be cliche or tropey that you know hero dies sacrificing himself to save everybody but then we could just talk about which things actually do that well because it's one of the most like common approaches to stories doing things. Obviously plenty of examples. Uh what you know I think that it's going to be tough to beat because like how many times have say for example is there any stories that do time travel really well? It's like it's uh really well is complicated. >> Yeah. Cuz could you even say that Terminator does it really well? So I don't know about that. >> Um I love Terminator. Uh, Back to the Future does it relatively well considering the rules it makes, you know. >> Yes. Um, even though the rules themselves are a little bit silly, but within the fading thing, >> I would agree. Yeah. Like it just doesn't >> it's like, you know, the the nature of time is that like an an action would be locked in, right? It's like you'd either exist or not. You going back and then of course creating all those. But, you know, this is the problem with time travel >> almost inherently. It's very very very very very difficult to do. >> Uh love this community. Happy 8 years everybody. Oh, thank you. Uh gods. Now you people are old. Very very very old. Near death mixtape level redo upon golem deaths. Like you have to do Oh, that would be so mean and also horrible to watch. I think like you redo mixtape every time you die as golem. All the even the level you're on. >> Horrible. Lock balls. Theo look forward to a gangly golem version of Theo. It'll be a disturbing drawing. Oh, yeah. They did uh uh Black Solen did a version I think of uh of Golem for all of us. No. Look outside on the survey. Oh, that's unfortunate. But you know um I think I think it would it would count in this EFAP year. Yeah, it was 2025 and uh late 20 well it came out early 2025 I think and then it you know the proper game sort of was completed by uh the end of 2025. Um I was taking the survey while everyone else covered Theo streaming Gollum. So here's a late fee. Thanks for eight years of great entertainment. I hope for many more. Thank you very much. Amsterdam monster is objectively the best. Oh, we're talking about energy drinks, I think, at that point. >> Oh, right. >> And uh we got a thanks here. Happy 400 years of fapping with the ease. Have you watched Spider Noir with Nicholas Cage? It's not perfect in any way, but a joy to watch Nicholas Cage. I had fun with it, but I kind of fell off and it just didn't it didn't hit me in the same way apparently it did for a bunch of people. Um but, you know, neat enough. I like that they made it. I guess better than a lot of stuff that comes out these days. Uh, no more Jim Sterling awful takes and fake man mantis. Oh, manit [ __ ] someone else. I'm in so much joy. I've been so much joy. I love breathing. I love being alive. Beautiful. Hello, EAP. Question. I've been wanting to play the first Dark Souls, but I don't have the game. Is the remaster any good or did they [ __ ] it and should look for the OG/physical copy? Lots of love. Um, so the original port of the PC version was kind of [ __ ] You had to get a fix for it. I don't know if that's actually the same now. I assume it is. I don't know. But the remastered version on Steam, I think, replaces the ability to even buy the older version on um on Steam. And I'm pretty sure that one works from the base. But you'll have to check in with sort of the Dark Souls running community as it stands to see what mods are recommended for performance because one, there probably are a bunch that uh I would have had back then that were important, but two, like this there's who knows countless more these days from people chipping away at the remaster as well. So, um yeah, plenty plenty of options and there'll be plenty of help to be found on on that front. Uh Theo shall suffer as so many before him have. True. >> Yep. >> Um another year, another abortion from the Sterlinator. Ompic was a mistake. Jim doesn't deserve happiness. He deserves to live a fat life. Oh my. Well, uh Sterling has indeed made many an enemy. Um how many 50 donations to bring back Gelb? Oh, I'm afraid that's uh that's not something that can happen that way. It would have to be if I felt inspired enough to want to make one. Maybe someday, but no promises. AOY Massives. Been here since year two and have almost finished my second full wash through over the last year and a bit uh and a bit between work bit between work walks and many gaming sessions. Happy anniversary. Praise Dawn, Tipples, etc. I ran. Thank you very much for letting us know. Appreciate it. Um, I mentioned before, but check out VIP by Zen. When a security detail is ambushed by an overwhelming force, how many lives will they lose to protect their client? It's jank, but well-made jank. Is that a game? The security detail ambushed by an overwhelming force. How many lives do they lose to protect their client? Okay, fair enough. Um, kick or perma banan dev. He's openly said he won't ban PDFs from his Discord server despite knowing they are PDFs. Ace 1918 has a clip of him saying it. I mean, that's uh definitely not something I would be agreeing with as a policy, but the thing is those kinds of statements or actions can be made about basically a bazillion of our guests on this show in different ways. Uh we don't even know if a lot of them are true. And then as to whether or not they are, there are different like political stripes or extremes that push to get people, you know, silenced or removed when um as long as, you know, we we had we've had all kind we had Jared on at one point. We've had um a lot of a lot of what would be considered major internet villains. Meanwhile, um a lot of people who would be considered the worst people on the internet. I don't need to name them. you know, you likely have some of them you hate more than others. You know, we've been told to never ever speak to them. And um part of the issue, I guess, is that a lot of people are told that about us. A lot of people have made crazy [ __ ] up about us. >> And I uh I just don't like to feed into that sort of cycle. It it sucks. Um so, you know, Dev Dev has been nothing but civil when he comes on EAP. Um he usually talks about video games. Uh, you know, I know that he's he's pissed off a [ __ ] ton of people with sort of political discussions and everything, but again, we've like we've had some really noxiously controversial people on this and they just talk about media. That's that's our our goal as a show. Um, so, uh, you know, it's the it's the kind of thing where we'll probably we we like our new blood and different blood here and there. Probably try and get some different people on in future as well. It's just, uh, to mix it up, talk about different things. As for now, we only tend to keep people off if they're uh there's like a couple of things like one's mentally ill. We we really try to avoid people who have uh borderline self-destructive or, you know, are going to detonate in general. Two, people who are desperate for engagement, like they don't care about anything but engagement. It always feels like it's super inauthentic and kind of ruins the whole um idea. And then people whose like only goal is to hurt other people is is another sort of strange aspect that doesn't come up very often, but um as the show's gone on, that's kind of been how it's developed so far. Uh but hey, things could change in future. I don't know. Uh I can't believe I've been a fan for seven years. Hi Rags. Well, that's one off from how long it's been running. It was kind of surprising on the survey how many years how many people have been following the show for the whole thing. I think it was over 50%. Which >> always very surprising to say that because it just seems so unlikely, but you know, I guess it's possible. >> Uh, it took so long to get past the senses. I didn't realize Steering is officially Jo. Farewell, Lord of Cringe. May you never appear again. Like I said, I wouldn't necessarily say never, but let's call it likely that it's never. Um, man, I'm so late and gay. Happy 400, you crazy kids. Been here since damn near the beginning. and loved every second of it. The wife and I still sit and re-watch EAP movies some nights. Here's to the next 400. Also, EAP D and D stream when I don't know if we'll ever do a D and D stream. That feels like something that would happen maybe with some of us or all of us on a different stream cuz I'm I'm in no way in a good potential to host something like that. And I don't think Fringy is either. I don't know. How much familiarity do you have platoon with that sort of thing? >> Basically none. Sounds like it's something that's outside of our wheelhouse as they say, but you know, who knows about in how it might happen in a different dynamic way in future in different places. >> Context of a game like Boulders Gate 3 playthrough or like Bald Skate 4 if they eventually do one of those. >> Um, but hey, glad to know we can still entertain with old new stuff. And as for EFAP movies, oh boy, do we have quite a blast coming for you for EAP movies 100. Oh, still being edited probably as you're listening to this right now. But it's coming. We're finally going to learn the secret of Mario's jump. You guys always seem so enthusiastic about that potential, but it never happens. It never dang happens. Congratulations on 400 years of efapping. Here's to 400 more. I passed out. Oh, do they mean dropped out of high school in 2020. Found EAP in 2021. Lost my dad the same year. Uh started and got kicked out of college. My mom got diagnosed with treated for and got declared cancer free. And a month ago, I restarted college. Been catching up and just finished EAP 100 yesterday. I know it's not 1920 anymore, but I'm a garbage collector and I work 12 to 14 hour days, so I sometimes can get through two EFAPs in one day. Also, high rags. Wow, man. That's um I've lived a whole life uh with these all all these events. You know, obviously uh the the dropping out of high school that can go in any direction necess you know, you don't hopefully you found yourself on your feet. Obviously, sorry to hear about your your dad, but that's amazing. Um news about your your mom beating cancer. Um and then getting to restart college, giving it a good try, I suppose, again. And then, yeah, like I said, it's it's 14-hour work days. It's crazy that our longest EAB episodes wouldn't even be able to cover that uh necessarily sometimes. So, uh you know, glad to be if in any way a help to the uh the average workday. And hope you're doing well, sir. Hang in there. Stay strong and um it'll be exciting to know what happens next. Hopefully, hopefully good stuff. Um, oh, sorry. I think there was another one. Is it It's going great. Other than um my family or the only ones that have been here the entire time and helped me get there. Thank you. I love you all. Well, that's uh >> good to hear, man. I said, "Hope you're doing well." Um, this is why Adam Millard is the better version of GMTK. I'm not sure who that is. Should I know the name? Al Adam Millard? >> I don't know the name. No. >> Related in some way to video games, perhaps. Maybe a YouTuber. Let's see. Author of 13 novels and more than 100 short stories. H architect of games. Oh, actor, screenwriter, and author of 22 novels. I don't know if maybe there's multiple Adam Millards. I'm not sure, but fair enough. Um, it's been another year already. Anyway, here's a tenner. See you next year. Well, thank you very much, and we'll see you then. Congratulations on 5,000 years of EFAP. Maybe more will let us out of the salt mines. Haha, just kidding. Unless we got to stay in there until we're done, right? As they say, rip and tear until it's done, but with the salt. You rather invest in a parking lot or a laundromat. H I guess >> depends on I need to see how busy both of them are, right? And where they are. >> Yeah, I would assume, right? Generally though, I would have thought parking lot. Everybody needs to park cars and only some people sometimes need to do laundry. >> Also, the parking lot's presumably future proof compared because the maintenance would be very very limited. Like it's just a space, >> I guess. So, yeah. >> And you tend to have a bit of like [clears throat] an easier local monopoly cuz parking lots are big whereas laundromats you can have [ __ ] 5,000 other things in a single town. Parking lots are more like space competitive. So, you can charge as my local town center does. ridiculous prices to use a parking lot. Whereas laundromats are kind of cheap. >> Well, >> we set a laundromat on fire the other week. It was the first time I cuz I have a high street business. It was the first time we made the news. Actually, we didn't make the news cuz luckily our name was kept out of the story, but we' taken a bunch of [ __ ] to a laundromat and it hadn't told us we weren't allowed to put any like industrial things in there. So, the laundromat caught fire. >> It was great. >> Oh, hopefully everyone's all right. >> Yeah. Hope you died. a lot of new stuff. >> Uh, Tipples, of course. It's been one hell of a ride. Thank you all for the hours of entertainment. From the good to the often very bad. Here's to many more eaps. Stay gold. Well, we'll try our best. Adding dice throws to chess is definitely wrong. Well, I agree, but there's also going to be plenty of versions of chess now that probably do involve all kinds of [snorts] wacky things. Uh, in the car driving section, there's a bot a button you can press to activate your jetpack. Wait, what game would this be about? Cuz this was GMTK, right? So, this could be any game. >> I don't know. I don't know. At the moment, >> talking about it was going to be one of his really vague points. And I think we might have been coming up with ways in which the rule he establishes doesn't work. Maybe. >> Maybe. Um, you know, someone recommended 20 lessons from like a huge uh life of video game development or something and they were like, "You should uh play this against GMTK to see how they compare." And I was thinking like, "Oh, that could be a good idea." And I decided to throw on the first one. It was about it's about Magic the Gathering. And he said the first um lesson was like there's a card that gave this particular set of benefits, but that the benefits themselves dec define that with how the game works that you cannot attack on that same turn. Like it's got it's got some good benefits, but you can't attack on the turn that you activate it. And this is something that every player should know if they were paying attention to all the different rules and stuff. Um and they thought, you know, I think that's how it worked. And then a lot of players kept trying to play it first round and then being like, "Hey, why can't I play it? the [ __ ] And so they added like this cannot be played your first round like as a warning thing on it. Um and uh that wasn't working either. Let's players kept still trying to play it. And so they thought about it for a while and they basically just concluded instead of applying even more obvious like lights and sounds and [ __ ] arrows being like listen this cannot be played. They were like [ __ ] it. just let's just remove all of that and give it I think they gave it haste such that it could be played on its first round despite the uh so in line with all the other rules it actually can and the lesson was try your best to not interfere with um instinctual like human nature decisions when it comes to designing interactive media. As in just because a lot of players are wrong to assume that they can be able to do something and thus do it, that doesn't mean that you then need to fight really hard against them and be like, you've got to stop thinking you can do this when you can't. Instead, can you move the game or the situation such that it doesn't cost you much and plays into their instincts instead? >> Don't don't try to so hard to like row up stream, you know. >> And um already I was like so that's one of 20. And I was like, that's already more than his entire video. Um, so yes, I'd say there are people going to be much better at it than than him. And no offense to him, or maybe a lot of offense to him. The uh the fact is that this is going to be the result if you've been game developing for [ __ ] ages. In fact, you know, Mark Brown probably has more interesting things to say um if he made a whole bunch of games and then made those videos instead of the reverse. Well, it's kind of the problem that it's like, oh, Game Maker Toolkit makes it seem like there's some level of authority here. Like, it's not just you're sharing your opinions. It's like, here are the tools that from a like from a game maker. It's like, but you didn't >> you didn't start making games until well after that. Cuz kind of what you said, somebody who makes games >> um and has sort of a proven track record for making good games will will have things to say that are very unique to them. that are just the consequence of all of their experience actually making games. It's the reason why it's often interesting to listen to game designers talk about some of the decisions they make, how they're able to boil it down into like a relatively straightforward concept that they can expand upon. Um whereas in the case of yeah uh game makers toolkit, it's just always the most it's it's just if you've played video games, you would know this. Not if you've made video games, you would know this. Happy 400 lads. In your honor, me and my best mate did a hot seat playthrough of Gollum in a single night. Some 17 17 hours. The booze helped. Thanks for good times. Lock balls. Also high rags. You know, I I hope you guys had fun. That does sound amusing. >> 17 hours. >> Uh I've never seen this guy before, but I already know Design Frame is better at providing video game analysis. I' I'd say that the people watching his videos are better at it because the videos are designed to make you like fill in the blanks for a lot of stuff. >> Hence why so many of his, you know, lessons learned are asking you questions, >> you know, why don't you go and figure it out? >> That video opens with him saying like, by the way, I didn't know anything. I was just doing fancy graphics in a British accent. It's like, oh, >> that is that is crazy that he said that. >> Yeah. Crazy and annoying. Uh, technically a Spiderverse movie tie-in. I'm not sure what that's referring to. Fun fact, Brand New Day Corriter created the original potion seller meme. Pity Gene couldn't handle his strongest potions of basic morality. Oh, I didn't know that. But, uh, I think I know what you're talking about. is the guy the hightop referred to as a king cuz he had a couple of YouTube videos and he probably made the potions hella one which is funny as hell. Pity about the the movie. Happy birthday, EAB and especially happy 400. Thank you very much. Lock balls for Theo. Happy 8th anniversary and here's to many more. Hopefully though there's not many more anniversaries where I'll be telling you Dumbos to play DDLC since you will have already played it by then. H I wouldn't hold out a huge amount of hope from that one. 8 years. So many 70our work weeks made easier listening to all of you. Seriously, thank you gentlemen. No problem. Thank you for letting us know. Happy birthday. Have fun. Keep uh keep helping me sleep well at night. Listen, that's uh that's good to hear, but probably wouldn't have been good to hear for us at that point cuz we were like we're about to face a night of not sleeping at all. [laughter] >> Yeah. And then you get that rocky somewhat sleep after it and then you finally get back to some normaly after a little bit. How long did you sleep for your first sleep after the anniversary platoon? Um 12 10 hours. It wasn't an unusually long sleep and I think I just slept a slightly longer amount for the next two days than I normally would, but I didn't like have a one massive crash session. >> I think I got like six or something and then >> eventually got a longer one. Usually how it goes. >> That's nice. >> Yeah, I don't think I've recovered yet. [laughter] >> Not really. >> Last night might have been I had like I think I slept 12 hours last night. That might have been the last of the recovery sleeps. >> I'm jealous of that. I I didn't sleep for that long today. [laughter] It's a lot less than that. >> If Steve from Stranger Things is the Dawn's nephew, does he know about the cosmic chicken or the elders of Eappalon? Shout out to Australia being real. Oh, nice. Um, >> is real. I think he knew about all that, but it didn't come up in the show, which, you know, just shows how much the Duffers were cowards, but what can you do? Um, Renee evil at the end of the season feels abrupt. It's like Mass Effect. She gets three renegade from talking to Damon over Misaria and unlocks the tyrant cosmetic cuz she got to 150 XP milestone or something. >> Uh, no, I disagree. I think the show is finally catching up with uh with uh who she actually is. >> She's >> the way we've kind of looked at it is uh it kind of came up in in the discussions on Gary's channel. It was like I hate this decision. I hate this decision. I hate this decision. It was like well it matches the previous three and four and five and six all the way back to season two. And then I sort of had the revelation of like, yeah, and I've hated all the decisions since basically season 2 with her character. >> Um, >> yeah. So, >> you know, now that the show is finally realizing, oh, yeah, she's like incompetent and egotistical, it's like, oh, finally, nice. >> Yeah. It's part of the problem is because though the decisions might be consistent, for a lot of the way through season 2, the show still seemed firmly to be on her side in making the dumb, stupid, ridiculous decisions that she makes and has only recently come to the opinion that those same decisions are actually what makes her bad and evil. But you can't really tell me that no, no, she's she's breaking the mold and being individual and independent and this is what makes her good and then sort of flip quite late on and say no, this is what makes her bad. The decisions can be consistent, but the framing is the thing that makes it not all that satisfying, especially when you consider how much time they've wasted on other things which are just not interesting. Many a problem for that. Sure. Happy anniversary, lads. Could more argue for Spider-Man 3 versus Brand New Day, while Fringy does the opposite and platoon judges. So, >> haven't seen Spider-Man 3 for >> So, I've got to argue in favor of Spider-Man 3 versus Brand New Day, and you've got to do the reverse. I don't think that's very fair for Frank, honestly. >> It's also not going to work. The only reme only memory I have of Spider-Man 3 is the stupid Buddy Magcguire dance. That's it. I haven't seen that film for decades. >> I can give it a try. I can give it a I can give it a shot. >> Well, I mean, so I have to make Do I have to make an argument about why Spider-Man 3 is worthwhile or why it's better than Brand New Day? Cuz it's going to be easy on the latter. It's just like it's just obviously more >> coherent. I'm ready to engage in bad faith arguments here. [laughter] >> Oh, okay. Well, >> yeah, Spider-Man 3 like despite being a bit over stuffed and everything, it's still got the immensely superior like forms of filming. It's it's way better like portrayed story. The the Peter Parker versus Spider-Man stuff is far clearer. The symbiote is is like silly to an extent with how it drives Peter into a his um his his bully arc and everything, but at least there's like an amusing entertainment to it and then like it gets to an actual serious place. There's weakness in the villains for sure in Spider-Man 3 and then weakness in the plot. Like we're talking, you know, a fraction of the damage that Brand New Day has to deal with. There's not going to be an element of The Brand New Day does that I think isn't done better in Spider-Man 3 that I also think is kind of a bad movie. I I don't really know what else to say. I just think it's a >> Okay, now that like I said, bear in mind these are all bad faith arguments here, okay? That's what's happening here. You're about to see engaging in bad faith. Um the the the uh the internet and I don't know internet culture has made it to where people retroactively think that Spider-Man 3 is better than it is ignoring the fact that it is overtly and plainly embarrassing and cringe-inducing and trying to find ways to sort of twist that around and make it more worthwhile. The reality is that movie was bad. None of it was uh Sam Ramy's fault though as the producers cuz they made him put in Venom and he couldn't figure it out and the consequence of that is that that movie is [ __ ] [ __ ] or something. Meanwhile, Spider-Man: Brand New Day is a very emotional, grounded story, dealing with isolation and loneliness and Peter Parker's struggle with opening up to the world and and being vulnerable and connecting with people and realizing that this is a burden that he doesn't need to carry alone, even though even though that's doesn't that's not in line with with uh No Way Home, but John Watts is a hack, so that's okay. It's okay to it's okay to contradict that. Um, it's got a really it's it's got great cinematography. It's got practical uh effects and and and and wire work. Um, and Spider-Man 3 is cringe. There you go. >> It was a better argument than you'd find in the high top video, for example. But I think >> like I said, that is profoundly bad faith. [laughter] All of those arguments. And I'm going to have to take the side of Spider-Man 3 in that case, even though I haven't seen it for many years, but the argument was just more compelling. >> Good. Good. The bad attempt was >> I think I mean, yeah, Spider-Man 3 is a better it's it's it's really very messy and inconsistent. It's got a lot of problems, but the thing is is that bad in 2007 is different to bad in 2026. Things have gotten worse. >> Yeah. I mean, as I remember at the time being like, what? It turns out Flint Marco was the one that shot Uncle Ben. Like, are you serious? Like, why? Why? But, but obviously that compared to none of the enemies have any idea who Peter Parker even is. Like, oh, >> well, >> well, yes, exactly. Is it better that all of the villain is it worse that all of the v villains are conveniently connected to the main character in some personal way? Uh, or is it worse that they literally have nothing to do with him at all? >> Yeah. No connection, no relationship. >> Um, also I will be right back. Just got to go sort something out. So you guys, if you want to just discuss Spider-Man for a little bit as I know you'd love to. >> Oh, do we have to? >> I will be right back. [laughter] >> God, I How much money is that movie made now? What's it looking like? >> 2 2 something 2.3. >> I feel like I saw somewhere recently that it's about to become the third highest grossing film of all time. number three, which means it beat Avatar 2. >> I mean, there's still the inflation thing that always comes into that consideration, but uh cuz I I know I think I saw a story that it only recently beat >> Oh, [ __ ] What was the It just beat a movie, an older movie in number of tickets sold, which is is more I think it was was it Titanic in tickets sold? >> That would be surprising. I feel like Titanic would have to have sold more tickets. I think it did because if you adjust Titanic for inflation, it's like three or4 billion dollars and tickets were cheaper. I basically I [ __ ] I wish I could remember which film. Spider-Man brand new day recently be a fairly big movie in tickets sold, but it's not I don't think anywhere near the top five for tickets sold. It's got like it's a little bit like the um the Odyssey thing because if you there's no like actual official numbers for tickets sold, but you can sort of take a guess. And the Odyssey making a billion did it on something. It's something like half the number of tickets sold is another film making a billion just because of the IMAX premium and the number of people who buy like multiples. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Then that Yeah, that ended up it's funny looking at the list. Apparently, Zootopia 2 made like$2 billion dollars. I just didn't know that. I completely didn't realize that that happened. >> No. >> Was that last year, >> man? >> Yeah, it was. Um, it's a pretty grim list of uh these films that are like at at this point like, man, it's it's Yeah, it's actually crazy looking at the list of like the the the most successful films of all time. It takes like a good long while before you get to like the first genuinely great movie that's on that list, which is Jurassic. Oh, wait. No, sorry. That's Jurassic World. Never mind. I thought it was Jurassic Park. No, it's The Lion King. No, that's the remake. Oh my god. You have to go way further down than that. Man, how long does it take to get to the first genuinely Beauty and the Beast, which is number 29? Is that also the live action remake or is that the original? >> Oh. Oh, that's actually a good point. Hold on. Oh, no. It's the remake. >> It's going to [laughter] be, but they're all going to be This is all It's inflation again. All these lists are pointless. They should do inflationadjusted top movies ever. And then you'd probably find way better ones near the top of the list. And all the modern billiondollar movies that suck would not be in like the top 10. >> No, that's that's true because it's it is relevant, but everything likes to do nominal. And when you look at it at nominal, it's really unfortunately it's like Titanic kind of stands alone amongst this list. It stands alone as an original movie that is like of high quality on uh on various uh fronts compared to everything else cuz otherwise it's like yeah you got Avatar the shitty Avengers movies [laughter] like not even I guess you got Infinity War but Infinity War is a mixed bag actually. Damn. actually cuz now it's it's a top 50 and genuinely I think the you got Joker on there which feels tainted by >> Joker 2. Yeah, >> Joker 2. There's only one movie that's in the top 50 that is um that is from prior to 2000. But you got Return of the King on there at least that's there at number 36. >> Number 36 though. Yeah. Oh wow. That's like Yeah. You got one movie from in the top 50. It's one movie from 1997, which is Titanic. And then you've got one, two, three movies that were released before 2010, which is Return of the King, Dead Man's Chest, and Avatar. The remaining 46 films all came out in the last 25 uh the last 15 years. Many, many, many, many, many projects as well. Many, >> in fact, the majority of them are probably Disney. So, that's just great. But it's a stupid metric. It's like if the economy suddenly went the way of Zimbabwe and we had hyperinflation, then Shelby Oaks could be a billion dollar movie. [laughter] >> That's true. >> That is true. Yeah. >> What does it look like >> adjusted for inflation? Ah, yes. Gone with the Wind is the undefeated number one. >> Yeah. >> On that front. >> Yeah. Avatar, Titanic, Star Wars, Endgame. Gh. Uh, The Sound of Music, ET, The Ten Commandments. I Dr. Zivago. I've never heard of that before. >> I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. >> And Jaws. Jaws is >> But it's already a way better list. And that's just the top 10. >> Yeah. Like really, the only notably frustrating one on there is Endgame. I mean, cuz, you know, I don't like, you know, Avatar is. But even the first one, it's like I'll give you something first one. I'll give I'll give you a little bit of credit there. >> Yeah, it was huge. I can't still to this day work out why, but it was huge. Everybody had to go and see it. >> It was It feels like it was just in tandem with the 3D thing that was like that kind of blew it up. It was like, "Wow, look, it's in 3D." And then every movie was in 3D for two or three years there and then they gave up. >> I'm talking about Avatar. >> I remember. >> Yeah. Well, just 3D. Yeah, we got on that and then 3D movies. I was just reminded cuz I remember um it was like shortly after that came out. I remember seeing Clash of the Titans and that was in 3D because of Avatar. >> Do you remember Clash of the Titans? Do you remember Wrath of the Titans? >> I do. I feel like I was one of the fewer people who even saw Wrath of the Titans. >> I think Rosman Pike is in that one. >> A lot of famous people in both those movies. And hey, God. Well, yeah. >> The craze of 3D and Sam Worththington to be like, "Hey, it's the Avatar guy." You know, >> that's Yeah. And it didn't really mean much to anybody that was the case, >> though. I think Clash of the Titans was successful. I mean, it got a sequel, but then again, so did Superman. Oh. Um, the end of that question was favorite video of each host and why. So, I'm probably going to go with myself with Fring's Endgame video. Nice and quick uh a quick brisk 2 hours plus of summarizing why that film is horrendous in every way, shape, and form. To the point where people still ask me to this day, where's my video on it? It's like, there's no need. Frank's done it. I I I couldn't possibly add to that conversation in any more meaningful way than he's done it. And >> they're re-releasing it with 4 minutes more footage. Uh, you have to re you have to re-release that video for you. Um, and then Platoon decided it's probably going to be uh Superman. I just I enjoyed watching you tear that apart. It's such a piss poor movie. >> That was going to be my answer. So, I'll still take it though. [laughter] >> I was actually asked this question on my uh Zero Company stream and I think my answer was the Endgame video and Multiverse of Madness. Multiverse man was [ __ ] crazy. It took so long to make that one. >> Yep. >> And uh >> I mean it was neatly captured everything wrong with the movie, but also very neatly showed exactly what was going to be wrong with basically every future Marvel film as well, cuz that was the uh thing that really kicked it all off. >> And the fun fact that was I kept getting copyright issues with each upload. And um one finally went up that didn't like the night before and then I asked everybody if I should still release it on schedule of when I told everyone I would or should I wait in case it could enter problems and I think all of you said wait and I decided I wouldn't. I was like [ __ ] it. I'm not going to. And luckily, uh, it did not encounter any problems, but that was it was very risky that move cuz, uh, some videos, >> not that this counts, but like the the Ant-Man one, I I cannot enable monetization on it. It's, uh, all for a swear word that I guess pissed off the wrong bot in the wrong way. And um, it's weird that there's nothing in the system that allows you to account for that. You know, you can get rid of copyright with all kinds of tools. >> That's right. But not that >> you can cut out if you if you're really like you can go into the YouTube editor and try and cut out the precise instance of the swear word and then rescan it. I think you're allowed to, but it's really finicky and it's an assay cuz the YouTube editor sucks. >> Yes. Um and then also I presume that it might just reveals like we actually took issue with several parts not just that one. You're like ah >> yeah I think I did that with is it a rings of power video? I think one of them I tried doing that and then it said no still can't have it. I think also did it with um Predator Badlands, but there wasn't even anything in it. Like there were no evil swear words and there was no particularly graphic imagery. But then YouTube had announced that it was going to do this thing where it tells you where in the video that you've violated the policy and it said here look this where it is and then it just gave me nothing on the little timeline. So I said, "Well, that's utterly useless. Can I please have it?" It might be because there's massacre in the title. That's kind of the only thing I could figure that maybe did it. That's such a weak word to trigger total age restriction and demonetization. >> Mhm. Uh, hey guys, happy anniversary because I guess my answer is yeah, I would also say it's Platoon's Superman video. Uh, that is it's if it was like that movie, it's it still got away with so much. Whereas like that video is kind of a very surgical precise evisceration of that film. And I guess for uh noobs, it's probably TFA part three, which might be a a common answer for a lot of people. I would imagine >> it's actually my answer. >> That one's big old uh the big old speech that you have in there, which is >> which is currently not in there, by the way. >> That's unfortunate. But yeah, it's a very I I still consider it as part of that video, obviously. Very very very cathartic. It was my mistake for putting a a TV show soundtrack on it, but the song was so perfect for tone. Uh like, you know, again, my bad, but >> I'll fix it at some point. And that that whole speech is just uh broadly about how everything got destroyed. Um I, you know, wider IP than just Star Wars. So, I'm going to try and find a way to fit it into TFA part 6. I've already said that's going to be like a a plan. and I will find a track that not only better fits but isn't going to be hit with copyright hopefully. But um yeah, no I uh that one TFA part 3's got a bunch of editing stuff in it that despite taking a long time I was really really happy with definitely uh it's TFA is a weird series for me like uh this feels like a chance to stretch all different kinds of goals in terms of breaking things down looking at other media but also doing crazier things with editing. crazier for me anyway. Like uh a lot of people are much more crazily capable of all kinds of things. Foreshadowing for some fun to be had in uh upcoming EFAP things with different editors, I'm sure. >> Um what's you guys' favorite videos of yourselves >> of your own? Uh maybe maybe it's recency bias for my own thing, but part one of the Halo videos. So that's uh I'm I'm quite happy with that. Um I don't know. might be might be Superman, but there's got to be another one. I I like some of the smaller ones that don't do as well, like the fairy tale related ones. Peter Pan, I enjoyed a lot because it's a good chance to talk about where these stories come from. Um, yeah, I'll say Superman in the absence of a better idea. Superman it is. So, if anyone's listening, you just got three different recommendations to see Platoon's Superman video. Well, if you haven't seen it, get in. Maybe you were you were like, "No, I like Superman." But enough time has passed. [laughter] Like, okay, it's time to not like Superman. All right. Especially with Bad Tomorrow on the horizon. Um, >> it did inspire a couple of absolutely abysmal response videos. So, that's another point in its favor. [laughter] >> The Superman defenders did not send their best. >> That happened with Deadpool Wolverine. And what I mean specifically is the our coverage of it back in the day. And as far as I'm aware, a lot of the people who even ripped us apart, quote unquote, for Deadpool Wolverine, have since said it's pretty bad film. It's just like it's kind of the circuit for us a lot of the time. Cuz Deadpool Wolverine, if you remember, the emotions were through the [ __ ] roof for people. Like, you know, I'm not trying to be a dick, but it was designed to blind people. Um, again, looking for a word for it, but it's the TFA effect. It's happened to everybody at some point. You watch a movie and you're like, "Wow." It's just that >> you got to you got to realize like a they they know this. They know they know that it works. >> Yeah. >> So you got to make it not work by uh being more >> disincentive for it. >> Yeah. There's always loads of like tells for it as well. But um Deadpool Wolverine has aged so horrifically now. I don't see many people celebrating any aspect of it at all online. Whereas day one, day week one, month one, holy [ __ ] The internet was going crazy for that movie. [ __ ] the amount of times people post to the intro song and it would get like a bazillion retweets and stuff. >> There there's everything wrong with it. >> Everything is wrong with it. Yeah. And not to mention that like how time moves like you can't post that now without people making fun of you. >> Yep. Which they should you should be made fun of. It was it was lame. It was really lame. It was particularly lame in contrast with uh like it's funny when saying everything wrong with it. It's like now that the TVA are the bad guys, they don't have faces so that you don't care when they die. Even though they were always the bad guys like in Log, they were always bad guys, but these guys are wearing masks so that they're more like faceless goons so you don't care that they die. They're being killed with the corpse in continuity of Logan from Logan. When you watch that ending, unfortunately for you, whether you like it or not, the in continuity, that corpse gets dug up and Deadpool uses it to kill a bunch of time traveling losers. Um, and instead of having fun names that make fun of the people making the film because it's a corporate product more so than the other ones were, everybody gets properly credited because they're lame. Now, that was like the biggest tell. Oh no. Oh no. this is the sellout version of Deadpool, [laughter] which you know, now I kind of hate that character. >> It was uh difficult not to hate the concept, even from the get-go. Now, I'm not going to say it was impossible for them to have done it well, cuz I really do think there was this waste. But watching Logan, it always uh hits a bit harder than maybe I expect cuz of how much X-Men 1, two, and three means me more than I realize in terms of like uh formative sort of superhero stuff. But, you know, tilting his cross on his tomb, not to well, the the cross of his uh his grave to an X so that it simultaneously is like so meaningful for the story, what she feels about him and how he inspired her and all the they found the comics and the reputation of the X-Men in that universe, but it's also a celebration of the character of Wolverine, at least Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, you know, certainly, and like what an impact he made. And then this it feels like one of the most somber and meaningful like goodbyes to Fox X-Men like and thank you sort of thing. And you're like good stuff. Really good. And then they just like no we're not done yet. And it's like [sighs] >> no this is the goodbye. No this is the goodbye. It's like dude we did we did that. It was done. >> Well and that's the insane thing. They did another goodbye and they were more overt about it in a really bad way in Deadpool Wolverine, right? like the [ __ ] behind the scenes [ __ ] which felt so weird. It's just like a we're the ones that get to say goodbye to Fox X-Men, even though we know already at that point like you're going to do another one in Doomsday and [ __ ] Secret Wars. This has become a joke now when Logan really did kind of nail it that goodbye. Um, so you know, thanks for ruining that, but then also making something way worse. Just situation that's got way too many examples, unfortunately. [sighs] Anyway, um, we got It's funny how you can see different messages coming up that define what uh subjects we'll be coming to. He'll start to remember for sure. Happy anniversary. my health uh has gotten really bad since last year and listening to EFAP has been one of the few things keeping me sane lately. Thank you for the amazing work you guys do. I'm sorry to hear that, man. And uh yeah, anything anything we can do to pass time, escape the world a little bit. Um it's good to hear that that's something we can do. Um >> Mhm. >> Wow, 400. That's a lot of eaps, I guess, for a person of long. Or is it not? I don't know. It's the third time. So what a surprise. It's a long staying quote that one. Uh so M aside, favorite Batman foe and why? What does M aside mean? What what Batman foe is begins with an M? Mysterio aside. >> Wait, no, sorry. Batman Jesus. [laughter] Um what Batman vill begins with an M? I was just thinking all villains. I was like, no, that's not going to work. >> Mr. freeze [laughter] >> probably not what they're going for but maybe >> I mean could just answer it anyway who's I mean it's it's Joker I'd say like yeah it's Joker >> you want to give give two reasons that's one more than one but one less than three >> might be the the sort of uh normal sort of plain answer but it's like his complete antithesis which can provide a lot of really interesting ways of examining uh the character um or or maybe even that he can represent his antithesis in many different ways depending on even the interpretation that you go for for a particular Batman. Um it's uh I think I think there is a reason why he is the most well-known most like enduring um Batman villain. I think I think there's like a clear reason for that, which is that he challenges him like to the very core in a in a specific and unique way that is difficult for um a lot of the other villains who I still think are really cool to uh to do. Like Joker is uh is uh unique in that in that respect. Um that not to not to necessarily like downplay the uniqueness of conflicts you might have with like Penguin or Rachel Ghoul or um or you know Mr. Freeze. >> Who you got platoon? >> Um Joker. [laughter] >> Well then there you go. You want to >> for reasons previously stated. Um, I mean I'm not a huge expert on on on Batman by any means to say it's kind of just from the few movies that I have seen, but also from what I understand of the character concept. It's just you have a character in Batman who in his way fights for a kind of order and is a reaction to the collapse of order. Um, he fills in gaps where governments fail, the police service becomes corrupt and can't maintain it. He he almost fights for a new recreation of of a kind of ordered society. And then you have in Joker as somebody who is so philosophically alien to the concept of of an ordered universe that it's it's he presents ethical challenges and moral challenges obviously but then his existence is kind of a philosophical challenge to the idea of what Batman is stands for represents and the world that he wants to see. You can't have Batman's world with Joker in it. Joker exists to make that world impossible. So that's what makes him sort of philosophically more interesting than a Mr. Freeze. Though Mr. Freeze has of course some very profound philosophical points to make as well. >> Yeah. Um like Frank said, there's no discounting the other ones. Uh I think Bane is actually underrated thanks to the bad adaptations, but you got Nightfall for people who haven't seen that to give you an idea of what Bane is capable of in terms of being a much more intimidated and thorough enemy. My pick isn't actually Joker. I've said this on Real BBC before. Um because I I said as clarifying, is this about the characters in concept, the characters in execution, or a mix of both? And ultimately it was just like it's whatever you choose really. And so for me, I've always felt the potential of Scarecrow is actually like always going to be my favorite for Batman. Every appearance he has in the games or even in the movies is usually, I would say, quality to time one of the best ratios for any character that exists in the Batman world. Um because obviously you get really great [ __ ] out of Penguin, Mr. Freeze, and absolutely with Joker. It's just that, you know, they all get a lot of time to the point where I do think I assume this isn't controversial, but something like Calendar Man or Condiment King, as silly as they may sound, uh when you give them enough time and quality, they could become extremely strong villains because really there's nothing that you can't solve in writing when it comes to it's like, "Oh, my character is fluffy bunny man." and he bounces around and it's like, yeah, I think even that, you know, we we'd be able to figure something eventually if we just uh work hard enough. Uh Scarecrow though, I consider that one of them. I don't I don't know how to rate this in a way, but he's he offers you so much from the get- go that you need only uh do an okay job and he's already going to be really interesting, but if you do an amazing job, then he's going to be [ __ ] top tier. the idea that he's a science a psychiatrist who's like fascinated by the human mind to the point of wanting to develop um you know combinations and concoctions that better provide like an experience but simultaneously move into destroying the human mind based on his like fascination with it and then to go against Batman who's you know part of his identity is to inflict fear into the criminals of Gotham to to like instead of inspiring good people to do better. You inspire the worst people to avoid doing the worst things for fear of uh the repercussions or who's going to come for you if you do it to give that guy a sort of indepth um his own mind becomes his own worst enemy, right? So, it like changes the world around him. His his strengths and his uh his almost like discipline in his mentality becomes uh something that's like turned against him. Scarecrow himself is pretty, you know, he's weak. like he's just a guy with a scarecrow outfit a lot of the time. Obviously, different iterations you can get different powers and stuff. It is Batman after all. I think there's a God Emperor version of Joker in some iteration. So, um I'm sure there is one for Scarecrow as well. But, uh, the idea that he's always going to be this thorn in Batman's side because no matter where he is in life, if he's prompted to dig a really deep into his own psyche and deal with things that are still there, which are absolutely still there, cuz Batman is, you know, he's at least in in part somewhat psychotic with the things he gets up to, that Scarecrow is always going to be this, you know, a threat that goes beyond that of um, a lot of different enemies. I think that I want to do like a special mention for Bane because I think a lot of people really do discount him as he's big guy who's going to punch Batman to death when there's uh so much going on on the better versions of him. But that kind of highlights what I'm getting at. Joker has been given so many great artists, like so many different versions of him that it's obvious he's he's going to be a great um sort of iteration. But Scarecrow, I feel like, has got amazing potential and uh he's just like one great movie away from being considered like a top tier S-rank Batman uh villain cuz he's uh he's already been proven in those different iterations. I think what's so annoying is like um Killian Murphy is perfectly cast, you know, for like a full movie actual villain for Scarecrow, but he never quite got there, unfortunately. Thanks, Nolan. >> It's his fault. I guess it's his fault for casting him though and getting you excited about the character. >> I mean, I like him in the movies. I That's what I was saying. I think his ratio for time versus quality is probably the highest of basically any villain in Batman's uh gallery. Every time he turns up, the the scenes in the games or the movies is just they're just really [ __ ] good. Um >> yeah, he um he'd be my pick actually. I remember he was really cool in um Injustice 2. They did like um they had it so that he was just a regular guy, but he used the fear toxin and it turned him into like the version that's in the long Halloween. So like you'd fight who's like a wacky monster looking person but obviously he is just you know the actual scarecrow >> in Arkham where it' be like you're in the the ruined like city buildings of of Gotham and he's this like [ __ ] Godzilla level creature that's looking for you and you have to hide behind the buildings and there's so much artistic freedom that they get to play with when it's uh >> when it's Scarecrow and I I love it and I just guess. >> Yes. Yes. I in a way Scarecrow is Batman's Mysterio. Um, and there's again just so much you can do. Uh, >> I agree. I I'd rate him super high for sure. >> So, uh, yeah, there you go. And, uh, the the second question was, who's the scariest for you guys? >> Um, scariest. I mean, probably is Scarecrow. >> I think it would be Scarecrow for me. I would say that Joker is um Joker scary is uh complicated I guess in terms of whether I would say that I think Joker is scary. It's like he can be you know when he's LIKE LOOK AT ME but a lot of the time [clears throat] he makes me laugh >> which is obviously kind of part of the the whole idea with a character. It's an interesting balance of comedy and drama when you're dealing with Joker >> when he's the scarecrow turns you on yourself. So, you're almost never able to counter him unless you stop the fear toxin or you have a, you know, cure for it or whatever. >> Mhm. >> Um, you get to look at women in the first 3 hours. Did Disney buy eap now, too? Maybe. Maybe. You have to figure it out. EAP started shortly after I got into college. This year, I finally finished my masters and even managed to sneak in a mihi. She sent me high citation on my project, even if I'm in STEM and not psych. good. He's a good lad. Rest in peace. >> My favorite thing about academ is like trying to figure out how I could work in completely [ __ ] sources when I wasn't taking a course too seriously. I did an entire essay where I think I only referenced South Park episodes and there was one it was some sexual ethics module where and my my university was founded by Catholics and remained quite a Catholic institution and like all the lecturers were priests and nuns and so naturally I just referenced a whole bunch of gay porn websites so that if anybody wanted to check they could live in sin. I was I had fun at university. >> We made a habit of talking while saying nothing. and Gilbo Gabbins. Many such cases, I'm afraid. Look, Mom, I'm on the anniversary stream. I wonder how many characters 10 America bucks buys me. Maybe I can just keep talking till it makes me stop or ask Fringy what it feels like to be such an absolute and then it just ends. >> Don't know what they would have said. >> I guess we'll never know. >> We'll never know. What makes a good >> wanted to say you are just the absolute fringy. I think I agree with that actually is the absolute Batman version of Fringy. You you imagine what you'd look like >> with a silly a silly um like logo as well. That super fat Batman logo. >> Yeah. >> Uh what makes a good EFAB episode? It depends. Yeah. That's that was the whole See, and that's what I mean. Uh even that one lesson I got from that other video, they didn't end it with it depends. They said, "Don't instinctively move against human nature or instinct like instinct from players," which is much more of a definitive like line. It's not like a Sometimes you got to do something about stuff. >> Yeah. No, it's it's it's uh it reminds me of a particularly annoying kind of self-help where it's like, "Well, I don't have all the answers." It's like, "Oh, okay. One would be nice. [laughter] You could just give me one sort of >> statement." It's like, "Well, it depends on this, this, this, this, this, or this." as well. You can't say it's like, dude, this is like [ __ ] worthless. >> It's absolutely >> I'm actually referencing something. I didn't realize it for a second there. That's the um that's what Steven Fry said to >> uh Did you see this debate? Uh say I know Fringy has the um it's Christopher Hitchens and Steven Fry versus >> Whitikum and the Bishop some African bishop. Yeah, I did see that. >> Uh I watched that when it came out. It was [ __ ] crazy. And um yeah, at one point Anne Whitikham I think says it's not it's not our place to define necessarily whether an action is like it relates to like the the [ __ ] history of sins with the Catholic Church. And she says like it's not our place to necessarily decide whether or not it's good or bad. And then Steven Fry just goes, "Well, then what are you for?" [laughter] I remember being like, "Oh shit." Uh happy EAB 400. Can't do the full 24 hours this year, but still happy to be here nonetheless. Well, don't worry. Those 24 hours can be spent at any time. You can uh go ahead and jump on any of them at any time, anytime you want. They'll all be there for you. New nuts have just dropped. Yes, you did a video on uh female superhero or female characters actually. Um she was talking about and she made reference >> to uh plenty like she she did talk about how we still got some good ones coming out for sure, but um she goes over a lot of the huge problems. one of many being an unwillingness to let them be hurt, unwillingness for them to, you know, probably be flawed. But, uh, even like the phenomenon of creating brand new ones that you can't do anything for and then taking old ones that worked and ruining them and then, um, you know, broadly, it's not something you haven't necessarily heard from other places, but the way she presents it in her editing is uh, [ __ ] top tier. But, you know, the um this aversion to being sexist, to to mistreating women in storytelling, to never wanting to be given a label that makes you seem like you're a you're a marginalizing act, a writer. You're you're a failure of a person in this culture. All of it has led to an inability to actually experiment with female characters in any way. You turn them all into >> which of course is detrimental to the thing that you're you're sort of trying to pursue. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> like I think it's I think it's very unproductive and unhelpful if um women are essentially underserved in terms of uh in terms of characters. And I I think I think it would have to it's like I mean clear clearly something's gone wrong on that front. I mean look at the conversation. Look at how [ __ ] painful it is at the moment. You know, part of what's part of a a important aspect of like storytelling is you kind of got to be willing to have your characters suffer a bit um so that they can come out on the other side or maybe even not if you're doing a tragedy. Maybe maybe that should be another thing that we need more tragedies in stories. when we're talking about um sort of like basics, uh there are there are creators that can maybe tackle a lot of standard advice in terms of can I make a story that's got an interesting character when they have absolutely no way of being hurt or that they'll never actually encounter any conflicts. It's like tough. You might be able to pull it off and there there are there are few who can, as Gandalf would would put it. But the people who are trying to tackle stuff like that are people who can't even do like guy walks into castle, slays monster to save girl. If you can't even do that, maybe don't try doing anything [ __ ] that's developed from a lot of >> centuries of story. >> Yeah, that's the thing is like I'm I'm very interested in experimental storytelling. I'm not interested in seeing it from people who can't write normal stories. >> Yeah. >> Finished the OG Halo trilogy recently. Sergeant Johnson is the spirit of humanity. A dark soul, if you will. A pretty cool dude if you won't. Happy 400. pretty cool dude that's not in the show mercifully, but very also very rude of them still. >> Yes. Congratulations on 400 episodes and 8 years of EFAB boys. My first ever EAB I watched was 42. I managed to catch live 50 for the whole 24 hours back in grade 12. Thanks Rags, Fringy Platoon, and you long man for the laughs. I will never forget loud soup. That was a good meme. Just so you understand, by the way, there was no intention of making the 50th episode 24 hours at all. It was just going to be that's the 50th episode and maybe we'll we'll have some people on. We'll go a little bit longer, but no, no, no 25. But then I think it was Wolf that just said, "You should make it 24 hours." And I was like, "Well, that's that's going to be really tough." And he's like, "Yeah, you should though. It'd be fun as an anniversary thing." And I was like, "Oh, I don't know. Really?" He like he like was really interested in the idea and so we went with it. And now we're cursed to have to do it every year. [laughter] If only I had said like, "Nah, nah, don't worry about it. D. Um, 8 years. I started watching this in high school. This started when I was in seventh grade. And this stream plays while I move into my apartment. Third year of uni. May the masses rain for a massive length. I'm sure by the time we hit the final episode of EFAB, someone will say, "When I was born, this was on in the room that I was listening to." [laughter] >> And this message is being sent as a result of my uh my estate because I died and I wanted to make sure it was said. It's like, I lived 200 years. Like, oh my god. >> I went to Mars. I had a house on Mars. >> It's like an essay moved to a Jared Genesis video. >> This what um what Roy Batty says basically the end of Blade Runner. It's like I've seen things throughout the existence. >> Um if I uh if I were aspiring game dev, I might get inspiration from YouTube vids, but not serious learning. You can get serious learning from YouTube videos, but not from Mark Brown. >> Mark Brown. Mhm. >> And that's to an extent. I feel like Mark Brown, if I met some party and said this to him, like, I think your editing is really good. I even think you've got a a good way of speaking to bring people into the video, but that I just don't believe anyone could truly learn anything from your videos. I I wonder if he would be like, "Oh, well, [laughter] like I wonder how he would take it. I feel like he would take it as a very very like in a dead Flanders way." Well, I'm sorry you feel like that, but uh simultaneously he's been told by many people that they have. So, uh it makes sense that he would feel as though he's added a lot to the game dev community, so to speak. What was crazy is when he was doing those videos at first that I ended up getting recommended and stuff was um that was just the broad discussion everyone was having about a lot of video games anyway, and it just felt like he was hitting hot topics and then saying nothing about them. I.e., Should Doxels have an easy mode? It's like uh boring. Um [sighs and gasps] my Oh, wait. Uh platoon is the only one on this panel that's actually been laid. Wow. And we had a lot of people on the panel at that point >> apparently. >> I don't know how they know this, but [laughter] it's uh >> again people at that point. Like if I if I'm a bird then if that's if that's something that people want to say then I've been laid in an egg you know >> true >> in a little egg and then popped out of it but of course that's that's not not a bird. >> My recent mandatory AI training at work reminds me of Brown. There was some nouns that I shall need to look up in real books later. Versatile verbs, baby. This all you need to know. I started watching when you were at around episode 60 and then quickly caught up. Been loving you ever since. Happy anniversary. I'm gay actor Michael Douglas. Farewell and a new you and such. Oh, thank you gay actor Michael Douglas. Appreciate you. So, yeah, it's a long long way back. 60. That would be year what 1.2 around about. Oh, a lot of stuff has happened since then. Um, I've been here since before Rags discovered what the black marks on Jared's door were caused by. Here's to many more. To be fair, I think it was I said they were burns and then Rags said they were just dirty hands over and over again. Touched it cuz um I don't know. It was just strange to me cuz I was just like that doesn't happen conventionally in any way. If you've got a door handle, do you not use the door handle? That's what the door handle is for. But like I guess, you know, some people don't. Somehow burning made more sense to me. Uh, how can Red Bull not be your favorite? Have you not seen their YouTube channel? They have the best sports content on the platform. I didn't even know they had a YouTube channel where they posted sports, but you know, fair enough. >> You know, they sponsored teams in all sorts of things. There's a Red Bull F1 team, isn't there? I think. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're in F1. >> They're in all sorts. KT uh the sponsors for KTM and Moto GP. I mean, it's what people joke about is that selling drinks is like their side hustle at this point. >> Red Bull is much more immersed in sports and crazy wacky sporting events than uh than than its own drink. Seemingly, uh John is a channel member from Mhler and Drinker, the famous John from the the Backseater channel. Dev was frriged and can't wait uh to hear the wise words of the backseater and his best friend John aka the John seater. Well, I guess that tells you where we are in the stream now. Drinker is such an easy target and yet well apparently not. If the backseater can't take him out, I don't know. Been here since the rotting melon that was last Jedi. And if there could be only one good consequence from that movie's existence, I'm glad it was 8 years of eap. Happy anniversary and high rags. Yeah, man. is uh it was a little bit later than that video dropping, but that video is Why I Met Rags and Why I Met Wolf technically and then and so on, I guess, cuz those two met each other for completely unrelated reasons. So, you know, how it goes. Um, the critical dingbat. Damn. Happy EAP day, massives. Oh, thank you very much. You want it all to fail. All wa all wah wah the front seater. I find this particular slip up in his vid pretty funny. So it's here. Um I can't remember what he said that about. Do you want it all to fail? I guess what? Disney Star Wars cuz I mean well it's an easy question. Roasted Mooper. Yes. This is when um he called out myself and Drinker for not reading more of the EU, which I have yet to this day continue to not read more of the EU. >> Called you out at very close proximity. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, he wasn't wrong. [laughter] Wasn't wrong. Been here. Oh, wait. Uh Teletubby's clip was from uh EAB 225. Ah, I guess it wasn't. Well, I assume that means I guess that could be the catchup from 225, but I assume they mean the mainline episode. Also, the only reason anyone knows about Mother, the energy drink, is because the Internet Historian podcast, they made an entire joke segment about it in the video. I don't even know about it. Like, >> mother I'd heard about it. Yeah. It seems weird to say that I'm drinking mother. >> Yes. Yes. Um, prototyping is standard in software engineering. The game guy, whatever his name is, is right about that. His game design advice was silly, but the prototyping point was not. I don't even remember specifically what that conversation was anymore. >> Was that he was saying your best ideas are worthless until you've proven them. I think was one of his points. >> I think that means by British driving, >> you know, we had a back and forth about there's nuance for that one. That was probably one of the more interesting points compared to, you know, the mechanics will define the experience like wow >> like yeah really >> but you can also have really [ __ ] prototypes for really good ideas. Some some prototypes fail completely but then the idea gets optioned and then it's remade in a different form later happens with movies happens with games as well. >> Hence the whole part of making a video game you know [laughter] like the the the ask the activity of actually making a game rather than a prototype. >> You don't ship a prototype >> unless you're talking about the game prototype. >> I remember >> but I don't think he was. I do too. I remember it's not as good as Infamous but I like it. How many prototype games were there? Was just the one or >> two? There was two. And then that was the end of Radical. They got turned into a Call of Duty support studio like every >> eaten by Call of Duty >> Activision studio that that uh that made something that was somewhat niche. >> Didn't um am I am I misremembering or did uh why the [ __ ] more on my memory? Um people who made Dead Space I'm I'm blanking for some reason. >> Yeah. >> They got eaten by Battlefield. Well, yeah, cuz they did Dead Space 3, then they did Battlefield Hardline, and then I want to say there was something else that they were working on, but that was like the end basically. Um, like Yeah, Battlefield Hardline. I remember that. Um, and I remember what everybody thought, which is seems weird, man. Like, >> yeah, >> it's a Battlefield game where it's 64 players, but it's cops and robbers like in massive battle in massive battlefields, like with helicopters and APCs and stuff. Just seems kind of stupid, like a really stupid idea for a game. I feel like there was something else that they were working on as well. Um, there were Oh, yes, that's right. It was um Amy Henig went there and they were making a Star Wars game. I think I think it was Rag Tag. um like a sort of Uncharted inspired um Star Wars game and then that got cancelled and then that was the end of Visceral. Um because yeah, unfortunately this is what we've se I mean we see this all all over the I mean look at Rockstar. Rockstar used to like make a new game every year. Now they don't. It's it's just um Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead. And I wonder if they'll even do Red Dead at this point. I remember the other day I was looking it up. Red Dead Redemption 2 sold like 75 million copies, which means it is like among the top five bestselling video games of all time, but that is still considerably less than Grand Theft Auto 5. It's it's the problem is that like a lot of these companies, it kind of makes sense to massively consolidate all of your resources around like one franchise, you know? Like unfortunately, is there any reason why Activision should develop Crash Bandicoot games? Why is that something that they should do? I would like more Crash Bandicoot games, but can that be justified instead of just making more Call of Duty? I don't know. That's that's the that's the problem that we find ourselves in with um >> it's the same with EA. Unfortunately, Dead Space is is seemingly not viable. >> Um certainly not for like the budget and scope that they want. Yeah, like it's successful enough. People like it enough, but not enough to to to justify its continued existence, which is a real shame. Um, compared to, you know, like Resident Evil, which is bigger than it's ever been and will never ever ever die. >> Yeah. And honestly, the the happy version of that is that you get the satisfaction of like older fans and newer fans with different branches of production with remakes and blah blah. But it's just that, you know, that's the nice version of it. Whereas it's like many people would tell you that all the remakes are sucking the soul out of the old versions and then the newer games are just atrocious. >> Uh different flavors of pick your poison. Like the [ __ ] first person era is hopefully dead now. I don't even know. We'll see. >> Is it though? I mean, the new the the Resident Evil movies got first person segments in it. >> I don't know if you saw the viral tweet that was like, "Oh, yes, Resident Evil famously a first person um franchise." >> I know. I uh I I think that's very amusing, but I mean, people should just be prepared for that not to be very faithful at all. >> He's already basically come out and said he doesn't give a [ __ ] He's It's It's He's He's gotten more and more tired over time with having to deal with Resident Evil fans. And uh that's a huge shame, you know, like not only that he feels that way, but that also it's probably worse than we think in terms of like a lot of what he's said up to this point to try and appease Resident Evil fans isn't even what he thinks. >> Broadly, what he thinks is probably that's a cute game you've got there, but we're making a film. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Uh you can't just get rid of Disney Star Wars. Oh, you mean like Disney just got rid of the old expanded universe and then stole ideas from it and made them worse? Uh, >> it's what they did do. It's probably what they should do and it's what old TV shows used to do. If it quite clearly isn't working, you've been it. And then you start a fresh. >> But they won't do it. For some reason, they they ref I don't know. >> It's like institutional pride. It's not wanting to offend people who still work with you and for you and above you. The it kind of any sensible studio would look at the fan response to the Disney sequels and also look at their place within the story which basically precludes a lot of interest in anything set before them because it all leads there. And they would say, "Right, we tried something. It didn't work. We're sorry. You can still watch them. We'll still have them on Disney Plus. will just strip the numbers out of their titles and we'll call them the expanded universe and then we'll start something new instead. It's just the obviously sensible thing to do, but they won't do it. Relating to I've mentioned this before, but there's an effort to repair a bunch of [ __ ] in one of my favorite TV shows of all time. And uh they don't even touch the stuff that's been destroyed for a while. They first prove they can tell their own [ __ ] like their own stories, I mean, and then they even go experimental. They have some long-term arcs. they change a bunch of characters that you at this point were stale, but at the same time enjoyed. And uh it feels like once that proof is all done, as in like we can do all of this successfully, we are now going to start repairing [ __ ] that went wrong. Please give us a chance. Like I feel like we've proven that we can do some stuff. So So give us a chance. The equivalent for me might be that, you know, new Star Wars movie comes out after a [ __ ] another 10 year hiatus or whatever and they don't even tell you when it's set. We're just doing a story in this universe. There's droids. There's [ __ ] you know, the force in some way, shape, or form. Maybe there's uh calamitous situations regarding all kinds of interactions on different adventures and planets and fun characters and something, but we're never quite sure. We all we managed to gather maybe is that it's set way further in time than even the sequel trilogy. It's like we're past all of it. We're not including any of the characters. Like, huh. Okay. Imagine like, you know, three great movies, a full story is told, and then they're on their fourth, and everyone's just like kind of back into Star Wars, but it's not even the Star Wars that it was anymore. So, we don't know what's going on, but that they've they've earned a lot of goodwill and it's in like a good position. And then like the characters we actually like encounter what is, you know, like a 50-year-old Ray and she's got some scars or whatever. And it would just be this moment of like, holy [ __ ] I wonder what this is going to look like now, considering we actually trust the people who are writing this and that um we've got a potential story to tell and to try and make use of what came before instead of outright ignoring it or even decanonizing it. >> Yeah. >> Um >> and you know, it it's like a they contextualize it as uh she was Palpatine. That's what happened at the end of Rise of Skywalker, quote unquote. Uh that he'd made it. He he laid out the rules to her and that's who she was and he got to rule as her or [ __ ] around. And she describes it in a more a broad way instead of telling us exactly what happened. But eventually she was like freed of him that something went down. Loads of things went horribly wrong. The Republic was a [ __ ] disaster. The resistance was a disaster. That everything went wrong. All of all, you know, everyone [ __ ] died. and that, you know, she got put in carbonite or something after uh she even got rid of him because people didn't trust her anymore. They thought she was like a monster and stuff. And then, you know, our characters a thousand years later actually freed her. And then these writers are like, we're going to we're going to turn into an actual character that you're going to enjoy. And then with enough sprinkles of information about what happened after the sequels, if people want it, that one day they will tell that story. It would just be really interesting as a sort of turn on uh how everything works for reputation and stuff. Could they get to a point where you want to see Ray's story told? I wonder. Probably not. But >> along those lines, it's not impossible. It's just on like because that's like half the pitch for Star Fighter is that it's set later than everything else. >> It's not really in reference to anything else that we know of. They might end up tying it in in some way to raise new Jedi order. But um unfortunately, they've given it to Mr. Mr. Levi and and the his I think the only quote I've heard from it so far is it's like it's not one of the big Skywalker style stories. It's more of a small scale thing like the Mandalorian and Grou. That's not the direction I'd be taking Star Wars in myself. a story along the lines you were pitching where actually Ray still is Palpatine but like many decades later and having lived life as a woman, he's now changed and he's seen how difficult the world is and and actually he's almost redeemed and that all of his grand evil plans he's kind of repudiated them. That could be funny in an entertaining way. I just don't see them doing anything good with any of these characters unfortunately. >> No. And how many times have they announced they're going to do something with Ry? Um, there's actually [laughter] there was a clip I was going to show uh on the anniversary. We might still do it at some point cuz I've got it ready where she's got an interview with somebody and she was saying how she spent so long not being able to say anything. She wasn't sure about Rey. Uh, but now she can. And the clip itself is like [ __ ] 3 years old or something. >> Yeah. >> It's like what? [laughter] >> It was announced. Tiatus announced Tiatus announced again. Oh, see now I'm picturing a Ray movie, but like Ray is like Gollum and so she has two personalities and one of them is Palpatine, but Daisy Ridley has to act like both of them. >> So yeah, who knows? Um, everlasting hilarity that is the Star Wars story. Um, but I saw Frankie at a grocery store in Townsville yesterday. I saw him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn't want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, "Oh, like you're doing now." I was taken aback and all I could say was, "Huh?" But he kept cutting me off and going, "Huh, huh, huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front, I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like 15 Milky Ways in his hands without paying. Um, I don't think they've got the rest of the meme here, unfortunately. But they've done enough of it. >> This is This is pure fiction is what this is. You should know this meme. It's been around for a while. Whenever they talk about a celebrity at anyway, someone will post this story. >> I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I've heard it. Yeah. [laughter] >> I think the little tweaks that were made to make it more Australian Townsville Milky Milky Place. [laughter] >> I think they uh the story goes they like they demand that all 15 be scanned individually instead of one and then they do times 15 [laughter] and then like people ask like why? And he's just like shut up. was I don't know. It's but it is funny. Um I'm I don't know what the original one is but [laughter] just it's hard to believe. That's all. Uh the backseater and John is greater than job the hut and schnee. Maybe we should do a poll on that. I don't know. I don't think that's as as clearcut as you think. Backseater is basically every frame of screech little bit. Yeah. Why drag girl? Why? >> Xander. Xanderhol versus the backseater. That would be an epic confrontation, I would say. >> Uh, Theo secretly being OC is the best plot twist in his podcast history. Credit to the writers on that one. The completely different voice and mannerisms were excellent as well. Being OC. So, that's not backseat. >> Organized chaos. >> Oh my god. Theo is organized chaos. >> Yeah, that did come up. I can't remember why that came up, but it did. Someone said that the Wasn't it in the comment section under one of Backseat's videos? Someone said that Theo is basically like what? Organized chaos. >> Yes, Theo's just like organized chaos. So true. >> This is who Southpaw thinks he is. I uh do Southpaw thinks he's the backseater of like that kind of power level. I mean, wow. Something to aspire to. I'm sure this backseatist guy is making me suffocate from laughter right now. If I ever die, it'll be because I can't breathe while watching him. He's a special kind of dude. He he had a bone to pick and boy did he pick it >> to 100% success. >> Uh this guy would fail the question, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning? Everybody was making that comment in the in the comment sections, the the hypothetical failures. He just he just couldn't deal with it. As was said, he was reacting as though Drinker actually had the power to destroy one of the OT films. He was like, "No, >> do it." Yeah. >> Yes. >> It's so weird. thought this was EAP, not a Dioro stream. >> We've covered Backseater before and I think Dioro went on to cover that section of Backseater himself. So, we gave him um a media cow or something. I think that's how they're referred to. You know what's funny? Do you remember Fringy? Um Xander Hall, I want to say like [ __ ] six years ago plus made a declaration on a stream that he was going to uh sort of [snorts] what word am I looking for? the the infiltrate uh the media spheres and recruit media reviewers into into leftism. That's what he said. He was like, I'm going to going to get them. >> I'm going to say >> feel like infiltrate leans towards the negative connotation rather than neutral. >> He was brazen with it. He was like, I'm going to go in there and I'm going to I'm going to make friends with them and then I'm going to convince them to have leftist values and then I'm going to >> masterful strategy of announcing your intention publicly on the internet before you do it. >> Well, what's funny to me is that in retrospect that was a complete failure and he's been made fun of a million times to the point where I don't even know if he streams anymore. But what did seem to happen is uh as as Nick has put it, he's just realized there's a cornucopia of L cows in the media sphere that have gone unnoticed because commentary doesn't even think to associate like media like like so many people who are doing such insane things >> talking about movies why would anything you know why would why would anything go crazy but no I mean you know it's funny because I feel like that doesn't when it comes to video games it feels like that is not how people feel like you know everybody recogniz said, "You can have video game related lol cows. Of course you can." And I was like, "No, but when you're talking about movies or TV shows, no, you can't. You wouldn't think so." >> It's like, "No, kind of for anything, any given topic, people can become unhinged and obsessive about uh about about it." And there's also, I mean, it's not like there hasn't been a big push for media reviews to get more and more political as well. Everything is about politics. >> Everything is Yeah. political or whatever, >> depending on who you talk to. all very well. Yeah. I suppose what's unfortunate is that if everybody if everybody feels that way, if everybody believes that then kind of is well and it's why uh you you look toward hoping you have some sources of things that are politics free and we we try to to achieve that, you know, with different levels of success depending on the day. It's uh sometimes it's tougher than others. the amount of insane political events that have happened while we've been live um is is is uh strange to say the least in terms of uh coincidences. Um I'd love more discussion on Breaking Bad if possible. H I don't know if that would ever happen. Not because we would advocate it's one of the greatest TV shows ever made. I just don't know that uh how that would come about. You know, we could dedicate an episode to it at some point. Maybe try to celebrate the crazier, better things it did. I'm not against it in uh in concept. Breaking Bad deserves some time, I suppose. It is uh immensely influential, too. Kind of. >> Yeah. >> Everybody wanted to be Breaking Bad at a certain point. >> I mean, I'd say even still, even still, it feels like that's the case. >> Yeah. And uh I don't think Pluribus is going to be able to reach Breaking Bad, I'm afraid. No, >> I'll be curious about season 2 viewership and conversation. >> What is the closest we've come do you think? >> Something being like uh in what way as just a popular influential television show? Um well there's that way then there's just like quality as an actual >> um >> oh as well >> andor yeah [laughter] dare I say >> brought penguin >> uh yeah I I uh I suppose the thing is that I wonder if penguin reaches on influence >> no the quality of it and it's almost too soon to say because like you don't obviously it's only like a year or two old and it got a lot of critical notice and attention so you And it's already influenced Daredevil Born again. So it's had some influence >> and it might be that it influence is more like felt later in the way that Breaking Bad's probably also Breaking Bad was able to sustain a really high level of quality over a number of years in way that Penguin has only had the one season and and only got two. So it's almost >> not directly comfortable in that sense. The ability to sustain it is a an important one. >> Well, yeah, cuz it's the reason why Game of Thrones kind of collapses on that front cuz influence Yes. um mega influential show, but quality well you know I can only speak to what I have heard. >> I wonder if N of the Seven Kingdoms will be able to replicate anything close to Game of Thrones's influence by the time it hits, you know, later seasons. >> But then again, what about show like maybe there are things we're not considering. Maybe that reaches show is way more influential than we think, but because it's boomer television, we don't >> Well, there's realities to consider. Like, uh, Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad and Walking Dead are all of different levels of quality, all of different >> sort of tenures in terms of that, but then they're all undeniably influential despite having different viewerships and different cultural pockets. >> Um, something's influence and something's actual view count doesn't necessarily line up. Well, yeah, cuz Twin Peaks is like hyper influential, but I mean I only had one season and it was not it's probably hasn't even been seen by that many people. Like I haven't seen it even though I even though I know how influential it is, you know, there's a few such cases of that where something is massively influential even though it wasn't like Community was probably pretty influential in a lot of ways. That's hard to say. It was never a very popular show. I think uh Twin Peaks also had um like mo a movie or two, right? I know the um >> Yeah. Yeah. >> some extra things. But if I remember the original seasons, there's two and then they made a third um Twin Peaks return. I think it was called the the 20 the one that came out not too long ago. Well, I say not too long ago, but I think it was 2017. So, you know, um, and I'm glad that that got to happen because I know that, uh, Finch, not Finch Lynch took that all of it very seriously. Like, uh, it's it's cool to get to it. It's it's like it reminds I don't want to, this sounds bad, but like like there's something to the idea of letting Ridley Scott finish his [ __ ] [ __ ] story with Alien with the Third David story. Obviously with Twin Peaks is more of a I'm glad you got to, you know, close threads on a lot of the [ __ ] that you were telling stories with on something that's much more in my opinion to be celebrated than [ __ ] Prometheus and Covenant. So, I saw a post saying like it's insane that uh that instead of giving a sequel to the one that was actually successful from a new voice being Alien Romulus, we're now giving it back to the guy who had like two major failures embarrassing attempts just cuz he's the original creator. And I was like, who's this Wii that you're talking about? Ridley Scott has immense control over the Alien IP. You think it's something that's like some like it's happening because he wants to. He has to have like he has major control. >> He's got the clout to do so. Even though even though at this point I'd say he hasn't made a good film in maybe like over 20 years >> and it'll be bad if he makes another one. We know that. >> Sure. Well, I mean I think I think he sucks like in present day he is like a particularly frustrating uh filmmaker. But I mean, the idea of like, oh, but poor Romulus. Like, dude, who cares about Romulus? The answer is nobody. Not really. >> Yeah. >> What's What's the name of the main character of someone who likes that movie? Tell me. I know. I remember. >> Romulus. I [clears throat] mean, >> you do. >> Harder test for me. Can we do that with all of the films? Uh, see how far we can get between the three of us? I'm sure we can pull it off. So, Alien, obviously, Ripley, Aliens, Ripley. Alien 3, Ripley. This is easy so far. Resurrection Ripley or would we say she's not the main character of Resurrection >> clone? Well, what because it's Winona Ryder's character. >> Do you know what her name is? >> No, >> I do. >> But I don't claim to like do you. What is her name? >> Well, Platoon, do you know it? >> No. >> So, part of the reason I remember is because, and maybe this will give you a clue. I don't think you'll guess it still. Is that the way they did it, so the first android is Ash. Second android is Bishop B. The fourth android in in a sense the major characters is David D. So what is Winona Ryder's a Castle? >> No, her name is Cole. E A L. Bit of a weird name, but it's also >> fit into the chess piece thing. >> It's not a chess piece. It's ABCD. >> Oh. Oh, right. Gotcha. >> Wait, where did you get chess pieces from? Ash Bishop. >> You're saying the first and I I think I misunderstood when you said the first one android is a Ash then Bishop. I thought we were going for the android naming scheme, not the alphabetical one. I just misheard. >> Okay. Well, anyway, um I think it call is like her second name, but they all call her Callstone. See? Anyway, what comes after Resurrection? I guess that'll be AP. >> Yeah. >> I don't think I remember her name. Damn. >> Oh, it's coming to mind cuz the the the other character, the the guy that dies to try and save her, he says her name quite a few times. My memor is nearly there. I don't think I'm going to get it. Oh man, this this is one of those ones I think if my brain came back to it in 10 minutes, it would have it for me. But um I think I'm going to have to give up on that one. Uh, the problem is AP2 I ain't got nothing. I don't know the name of any character in that movie. >> I I would just throw like Sarah and John. Hopefully one of those two I'm right about. >> Okay. Uh, so then it's we move into Prometheus. >> Yes. >> Elizabeth Shaw, isn't it? >> Yeah, I know that one. And I know Holloway as well. Isn't Is that's her boyfriend's name, right? I think. >> Yes, I think so. >> Covenant. Oh, main girl in Covenant. Well, yeah, but the main character is actually uh >> David >> is actually Yeah, David. >> So, >> I feel like I should know the main girl in Covenant, but I don't think I do. >> Yeah, me though. >> Oh, okay. Let me I want to know the answers to these questions. One second. So, AP cast Alexa is the is the name of the girl in AP. I would never have guessed that. I wasn't even close. And then Covenant is >> What about AP2? >> Oh, yeah. Give me I don't even know who the main character in that is. Like who who I would even choose as. >> But uh Oh, Daniels is her name in Covenant. So there you go. I don't know that >> AVP2 cast. This is going to be funny. So, our choices are um Kelly, uh Jesse, Molly, and Morales. [laughter] >> Kelly, Jesse, and Molly. All right, cool. Uh that pushes us on to is it Romulus after that? After Covenant? >> Yeah, Romulus, which is Rain. >> Rain. Yeah. All right. We did okay considering we are um >> Well, yeah. The reason why I always ask is cuz people who say that they're very fond of it. It's like, "Oh, are you? Please tell me the name of a character in it." >> Yes. Uh, what's what's the name of the Android? >> I don't care. >> Oh, I I >> I assume you might have known. >> I I obviously I knew all the names better, but yeah, Rain is the only one I bought somewhere in there, but I don't I don't care. Well, big- time, long-term fans of Alien as a franchise, totally not become mega haters. I don't even want to start speculating on Alien Earth, which we're getting a season two for, by the way. Woo! >> Yes, we are. Is that next year? >> Probably, I would assume. >> The best part of this stream is when John hijacks backseat of stream and proudly declares, "It's Joning time." before he jawns all over his back seat. Oh, hopefully that was easy to clean. I keep telling you I did eat breakfast today. Yeah, I mean it's a good test. Are you kidding, George? I remember that quote. Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Backseater. Noise. The question is distasteful to be. Old man screaming at Y energy. Screaming at why. Screaming at clouds. Right. Isn't that That's the That's the Grandpa Simpson one. >> Yes. That's right. >> Hello all my Ewoks. Hello lock balls. More money for the suffering of Theo. Looking forward to his stream. Well, you're a little bit behind in the sense of uh when that that was all happening, but the contributions are appreciated and Theo will definitely be suffering uh on on Gollum eventually. What if George Lucas started a new franchise and called it War Stars? I mean, I'd check it out, you know, just give it a give it a shot. See what happens. Mash this guy up with the boogie rant till we riot. with back back seat can't can't boogie is a solo act you know you can't just include random other people testing testing Ray pissed testing Ray ping testing ray papologist they all those got through it's probably because Ry is fine you know it's uh but they will figure out eventually never trust the system that is YouTube but if we got rid of Disney Star Wars we would lose Mhler and EAB I think I vote to keep Disney Star Wars for the travesty that is all the good years we would have had along the way. Uh, happy 400. If we can find a way to get rid of the Disney but keep the EFAP. I don't know >> because the question doesn't say that you get rid of all history. It just says you get rid of that cannon in those movies. So theoretically, we'd all still be here, but those movies wouldn't. It's a strange thing though because well if everything stays the same but we're all aware that that decision has been made and so all copies of all of that and I guess anything that relates to like Raw or um negative film for all of them is gone too. There's just no way to get back Return of the Jedi or all the Star Wars stuff from Disney. Um it's a very strange scenario, isn't it? Cuz like well what does everyone do about that? It's like I I don't know. Disney still has the rights to Star Wars though. >> Yep. And everyone still feels about Star Wars the same way. We're just we lose Return of the Jedi as like a thing you can watch, which is kind of sad, isn't it? Especially considering all Disney Star Wars stuff stays like in terms of its effects. It's just you can't watch it, >> but you weren't going to watch it anyway. >> Yeah, I'd still be doing it just because of the storytelling possibilities that it opens up. But also, Return of the G, I mean, I would get rid of the vast majority of that film anyway. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so it's not a huge loss to me, >> but like if it was a notion of, well, we can maybe hopefully get some good Star Wars stuff. It's like technically we can just do that now anyway cuz like I said, Disney still have control over it at that point. It's the same sort of vote. You also don't get to watch andor ever again. >> That's Yeah, that is true. Although I never count it as Disney Star Wars, but that's cheating. >> Yeah. I'm afraid you have to. [laughter] >> That's how they get you. Star Wars Voss be like, "Pull the [ __ ] trigger." Star Wars Voss. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I if I understand that. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Possible incel. The incelss do not claim him. I'm sure that's what they would say. [laughter] >> Help. I can't breathe. I'd assume this is from the laughter. Of course. Backseater pronounces Star Wars as Star Wars. >> Star Wars. >> Trouble with syllables. I was on this guy's stream. Strange experience. Well, you made it though, so that's good. I vote for Michael Bay or Quenton Tarantino to remake Return of the Jedi. Neither of them seem appropriate, honestly. >> No, >> maybe together. [laughter] Quinn and Tarantino's script directed by Michael Bay. Uh, in addition to removing most of Disney Star Wars, not Andal, I'd personally rework the EU so Jack and Solo stays uh, good and rework TCW to mesh with the EU better. I haven't got to that bit of the E, but Jason Soda going to the dark side is basically one of the more important things. It would be weird to rework that given from what I understand that is the core of a lot of the later stories. And without him, you lose a lot of the family drama, but also one of the more important villains. So, I don't think that would work particularly well. And the Clone Wars already doesn't work with anything, so we should just get rid of it. This guy obviously needs a Snickers. Happy 400th. Well, thank you. My favorite scene in Star Wars is when Po says, "I love you." to Han and he replies, "I know." Yeah, it's a good Po scene. Uh, a lot of people haven't seen that one, but you know, I like it. This is probably referencing backseat mixing up Leia and Po somehow. I don't know why you'd mix those two up, but you know what? It happened. The next open bar is going to get the same question at least three times. Oh. Um, yeah. I mean, uh, probably. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, [laughter] I was in high school when this started. Now I'm across the country looking to get my degree in mechanical engineering. You lot have been comforting a comforting rock to hold on to in the rapids. Happy 400 you massives. Also, howdy rags. Howdy howdy. Thank you very much for letting us know. Sounds interesting. Sounds good. If I remember correctly, the Star Wars EU did have an actual afterlife of some kind with Obi-Wan telling Luke 5 years after Return of the Jedi that he can't stick around as a force ghost anymore and must make the journey to what lies beyond. is the beginning of the first Thrawn books heir to the empire because Timothy's they're not perfect the throne the original Thrawn trilogy but they're pretty good they're they're interesting enough and Timothy Zan understands that keeping force ghost around is an innately difficult thing to work with >> because why are they not always stepping in to help so he creates a rule basically where they they can stick around but it takes them time it takes them time energy effort they can't do it forever there is a time when they have to go to the netherworld of the force which is something that Yoda references in Revenge of the Sith as well. So they yeah Obi-Wan leaves Luke basically at the beginning of the first Thrawn book and I don't think there is a single force ghost for the rest of that trilogy. >> I've said before is a somewhat controversial thing that force ghosts are just a writing nightmare >> and uh I would certainly lock in a limit on you I'd just go with whoever's lasted the longest in cannon already and say that's the cap. like you can't be longer than that and it's like what happens to them is like they they pass on is is a is a very good way around that I'd say >> you still have them occasionally but it's cuz they come from that time when Star Wars was more mystical and less grounded which we it's weird to think of the prequels as grounded in any respect but they do try to be more like that um and so you can leave a large part of it unexplained in terms of the mechanics of how they work as long as you use them really restrictively which the prequels do you have to be on Daba It's only an advisory role. They can't take action. They can't really move from that position. It's kind of implied they're tied to the place as well because of its innate qualities. So within those limits, you can sort of make use of them. You can have them pop up in a hero's darkest hour to give solace. What you can't easily do is have them use force lightning on a tree and set it on fire cuz that kind of breaks everything. >> Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Probably shouldn't have them do that. Um bum bum. This guy is PA in real life to an extent. Yeah, I suppose. I suppose an episode where you looked at the video Star Wars who owns a mythology by Feral Historian would be awesome. Shout out to meabased Red Pill Mhler. Star Wars who owns a mythology. Is this related to the um I guess cannon and stuff? I mean, we could probably have a little look see maybe at some point. I don't know. Um backseat. We got to get rid of all the Star Wars [ __ ] Ray, Acolyte, and Leia. Yeah, I know. Anthony Grimmolibar. If someone shows you who you are, believe them. Uh, yeah, unfortunately for him, but other people have leaked who he is. Abrams and Johnson's back and forth in the sequels reminds me of playing action figures with one's brother and a kid goes, "Nuh-uh, my guy's powers killed your guy." Alistister Haken and the Soscars on Ephab when? I don't know. Perhaps in the future, but yes. It's definitely a multi-billion dollar uh slap fight that we all got to witness. We need a better strain of detractors. Of course, is there a due date if I play Gollum? A due date if I play Gollum? I don't know what that means. You can play. >> Does he have to do it by a certain date? I would assume the answer is no. Play it at your heart's >> Do whatever you want, I suppose. Uh the back seat has three brain cells. Two are rubbing together for warmth, while the third is just happy to be there. A at least the third one seems pretty pretty chill. Pretty happy. Imagine him saying, "The west has fallen, Squidward." >> Well, like [laughter] Spongebob, >> I don't know. Yeah, maybe. >> I enjoy the Sith Jawa meme much as the next guy, but prefer him played straight in a well-executed way as the slapstick comedy relief political rookie accidentally and tragically dooming the galaxy. there is something you could do with it. As silly as it sounds, uh that he he has to like reconcile with being the [ __ ] the guy who destroyed the world basically. Why are we talking about cinema? Think Star Wars. Of course, that's that was that was always just so funny to me. Like he doesn't understand the any anything that changes cinema forever would of course change Star Wars forever. But he he almost sees Star Wars above and beyond cinema as opposed to uh the result of cinema. Um Nick animation 95 has epic Star Wars meme videos. Fair enough. I don't typically super chat, but four is my lucky number. So EAB 400 gets my money. I fall asleep to EAB streams every night. So especially to Mhler Platoon and Ringy. Thank you guys for the long. No problem. We shall long for as long as we can long. a YouTuber called Feral Historian has a good video in part about the question called uh Star Wars who owns a mythology almost the uh who owns the mythology if we're if we're going with like depends how abstract we want to be. I know it can annoy people saying it's Disney but it is Disney and if it's not Disney then it's just whatever you want like there is no rules at that point. There's an IP or it's a it's a series of thoughts and understandings that exist sort of between us all. You could say like, "No, the fans own it." And it's like, if the fans owned it, then we wouldn't be so [ __ ] furious whenever Disney made anything, right? >> Yeah. I mean, that might be the distinction to draw, though, is Disney owns the IP, Disney owns the cannon, but the mythology is the sort of almost the crowd sourced fan collective [clears throat] memory and experience, and Disney having cannon contradict mythology is the source of much fan complaint. >> Yeah. What is in Star Wars as a mythology is Ray's story. It's like um >> it doesn't it's not really referenced at all. Well, no one cares about it, so probably not. Are they going to make a [ __ ] movie in 30 years where someone says, "Ray, Ray Skywalker, I thought she was a myth." Like, no. [laughter] That's such a What a >> Yeah, [clears throat] >> just how do they even You know, you talking about before that Starf Fighter is trying to establish itself almost as a a clean break. It's like, but is that even possible when you anything set past the sequel trilogy? You know, it's just absurd, right? Cuz Luke got a trilogy and everything else that built reference to him was a result of it. Ray got a trilogy right there. >> Got a ridiculous amount of screen time, too. >> And they already had to talk about how I was like going to need more Ray films. [laughter] Like, I thought we couldn't make any more movies about the characters that had been done already. They're too old. [ __ ] him. Ray's too old now, right? We got to move on to the next set of characters. When you you going to make Ray a disheveled hobo? You going to do that, guys? >> Somehow. I doubt it. >> Someone has to die for this. Ideally, drinker. [laughter] >> That is That is a [ __ ] amazing quote. Somebody has to die. [laughter] Like there will be no justice unless somebody loses their life. [laughter] Like it's just what a >> was insane. >> Oh my god. >> To be fair, [laughter] >> he was a man who had lost everything at that point. But it's just hard to take too seriously cuz he lost it all by putting all of his money in PayPal. He didn't even have a bank. Didn't have a bank. >> Also, there are there are people who lose everything that don't say somebody has to die for this. No, of course. But you what I'm saying is like, yeah, that's probably a time where someone would be drawn to saying [ __ ] like that, but it's just hard to take it seriously when he sabotaged his whole life himself. >> I guess. Yeah. It's It's not like It's not like someone's house burnt down because of like some crazy bushfire or something. Yeah. >> It's It's not like a tragedy over which they really had no power to to stop. >> Just succumbing to, you know, horrible circumstance. In this case, like, yeah, you you made a really stupid decision and now you're here. [laughter] like like a schizophrenic like diving. Someone has to die for this. >> Just in case just to remind everybody, he not only had all of his money in PayPal, it went through someone else first and she stole it from him, right? Or spent it on stuff >> like like cuz he didn't have an actual bank account. >> Yeah, cuz he's a [ __ ] idiot. [laughter] >> Like you don't have a bank account. >> That's insane. [cough] [laughter] >> Sorry. That's That's old willed tech drinking. We don't need that anymore. [laughter] Yeah. Why need that? >> Uh I have a gamer friend who can no longer play from a disability. If you tried with him in essay mode, he'd punch you. He wants the game. Oh, an easy mode. Sorry. No, they I think they mean easy mode. He'd punch you. He wants the game. Not an easy mode. Well, yes, this is a complicated thing. A lot of the time the argument is built in the same way that um they'll do like reactions like oh this this film was so important because look at children have said it it means everything to them or like this thing is important because of what it meant to the this particular demographic. If you said like this person can finally play Dark Souls because we've changed it such that it's not even Dark Souls anymore. It's like I wonder how the next person might feel who you're doing that for. I wonder if what happens if they tell you like you haven't done anything. you just made a new game that I don't want to play cuz it's not the one that the people made. Um, you know, there's an interesting conversation to be had, but it always ventures into being too offensive and stuff and you're like, "Okay, well, I mean, if you don't want to ask real questions, you know, make everything playable and completable to the point of not even having to press a button." Uh, feel like we're inventing a new form of media. It's not even games anymore. Um, happy anniversary, my fappers. Thanks for making great content and keeping me sane at work. Next week I'm going to take uh going to a tank festival with my family. A tank festival. >> Tank festival like for celebrating tank like tank tanks as in >> I assume tank tanks. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah, I guess it makes sense. There's a lot of different tanks that have existed over the years. >> As a lifelong fan of fan of most pre-D Disney stalls, I'd much rather have drinker in the fandom than this insane incel. I hope so. >> Again, I don't think the incelss claim him, okay? They're going to be like, "Excuse me." >> It is kind of awkward cuz someone at Disney is probably thinking, "Right, we must get back in touch with the fans. We must win the fans back." What are the fans thinking at this moment? And then they find [ __ ] backseat. >> He's got some opinions. Yeah, we could we could make Star Wars for him. A filthy casual. Imagine being something like that. I know. The worst. There are consequences to deleting the OT. How do you know? How do you know? Backseater. Well, maybe he lived in a world previously where that had happened and he made it to our world to warn us. Can't delete the OT. It'll It's a foundational. It's like a pillar of reality. This guy's dialogue has so much baos. You'd think Ryan Johnson wrote him. Also, what's an epic Gonzo line from the Muppets? Shout out to EC Henry. We got any best Gonzo lines there? Anyone? Nothing immediately comes to mind. >> Bring you love Gonzo. >> Uh, that's a strong word, >> you know. [laughter] That's a I'm not sure. Nothing is coming to mind at the moment. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I mean I I don't really I would have to rewatch some stuff to be able to give you memorable Gonzo lines, but um can't not love the character. This back seatist is as funny as the naked gun. Um I get he's pretty funny, but naked gun is always going to be more funny. I'm sorry. It just is. If I remember correctly, the Thorn trilogies sparty type of clones were half rate ones supplemental to the Kinoian ones and were put into use near the Clone Wars end. So in the Thrawn trilogy, unless there cuz there's there's two of them, right? So there's the trilogy, which is the one that was written before Phantom came out, and then there's a new Disney cannon version, which may have changed some stuff, which I think is just a duogy. In the trilogy, the Camino ones hadn't been invented yet, so they don't exist. Um, and they are just that they're clones of exceptional individuals who Thrawn uses to bolster his army because he finds some some of the emperor the emperor stashed some cloning pods. They come from a different place, but all you'd really need to do to bring it into prequel cannon is change the name of who makes the pods to Kamino and then you kind of fine. Um, and it all still works. But from what I remember, I mean, yeah, there isn't any Camino tie-ins to the Thrawn stuff because they weren't thought of at the time. M did uh when he was writing those did he have sort of influence and connection or notes from George Lucas or anything? >> I don't remember exactly how the cannon process worked. Um because there's always like conflicting quotes but so he came up with the name Corusan. That's the reason Coruscant is called Corissant is because he wrote that first off. I think he he came up with the name and then when they were naming it for the prequels they said well these are the most popular books in the EU they called it Corissant. And so Lucas said fine we'll use that. I don't know because I know they had to like submit to approval for to Lucas film. I don't know how much approval George Lucas personally had over it. Um so yeah, no clue on that one. >> Cuz uh I still remember his uh Jake Lloyd pronouncing it as Kusk and >> yes, >> very awkward. But you know what? He's trying. And it makes sense cuz you know maybe he hadn't heard it many times out there in the in the outer rim. you know, it's just not his known. He's a little even though he built C3PO and he's also the best pilot in the universe at that point. >> These are just >> pod racing. >> Well, more than pod racing, [laughter] he's uh he's damn good in a lot of different scenarios. That that Anakin is everyone says like you should have just aged him up would have made things so much better. >> Yep. >> Like the child prodigy sort of stuff though. Um, okay. You're no longer funny. Backseater. Back talking your mama. Not so bass, dude. Yeah. Well, not just that, eh? There's some other stuff. >> Yeah, back talking is one way of putting it. >> Um, put him against the wall, wood chipper. I mean, a lot of people do not like some of the stuff that you were saying in the uh in the in the tweets there. We call that a virgin. Yes. The [ __ ] do you make Aunt Gabul the voice of reason? I know, right? It's a tough situation. That boulder boy. I've got bingo. Backseater went from comedy gold to sad in no time. Yeah. Uh, how does it feel being on the wrong side of history in the great critical drinker war? The Great Critical Drinker War. I wonder how long that goes. We're going have to we're going to have to wait until someone else dethrons him as the ultimate media reviewer. Come on, Cinema Sins. Retake the throne. Nostalgia Critic, you can do it. He's got to review more stuff faster. Save the Sun. I'm 80% sure this is the same guy who went on the kill all clones rant. The voices are so similar. I think he is. Yeah, I remember someone telling me that. So, technically, we've covered him in three anniversaries, I think. Crazy how time flies. Plot twist. Matt Jabo's son is the backseater and his secret real name is the Matseater. Wow. Was there any reference to boulders from uh from the backseater, though? I feel like there would be if this was a true connection. >> Not that I can recall. >> Um, in dishonor of wolf, I have ordered a pizza. Well, enjoy it. Nick, I'm catching up on your VODs. You, sir, you used to be a COD man, but that zombies grenade throw death with the viewer skew right angle crossover SS flag is a bit much. Still love you though. He has been doing some zombies, I assume. Um, I caught a bit of it where he was just making fun of himself for his lack of skill. I believe he's getting better though. He'll be able to take out those zombies. Um, just want to thank all of you for the past eight years of long hi rags. Well, thank you. Got fired yesterday after four years of working there. Thanks for cheering me up, guys. A you'll land on your feet, buddy. Keep on keeping on. There's going to be another job out there. >> A better one. Popping in to say hi rags. I'll catch you all on the road with the re-upload. Unless they're all available on Mhler. Art. Does he mean rat? Oh, I think I know where we're going now. Video games are art, but we shouldn't call it that because art attracts theater kids who want to express themselves through the game instead of making good games and people use the game status as art as an excuse for being a bad game. Well, shouldn't we just deal with that instead of saying we won't call it art at all? I don't like the collateral damage of people who make great works of art being like, "Hey, do you mind if we don't call your your entire like life and career art because other people are annoying?" Doesn't seem fair. I would rather just make fun of other people who are crazy. >> He's not beating those AI allegations. He's he said he's apparently that is his voice. I'll believe him. Uh, good art is art and bad art is art. Even Fringy knows that. Even Fringy. >> That's right. >> Um, a song bird's song has nothing to do with how edible it is. Random film talk speaking on rings of power. That's insightful and uh I'm sure we'll have him back for Rings of Power season 3 to suffer with us not long away. Happy anniversary rags long man fringen friends and also rags I rags narrative tripling. Nice reference as always. Yes, gatekeeping art itself is cringe. Um, well, I mean, there is some gatekeeping to be done. I suppose you don't want to include literally everything ever, but at the same time, yeah, I mean, if you were like, "This thing is so bad it's not art." It's like, that's not it's not quite how, you know, it's almost like notably how bad the thing is because it's art because it was intentionally expressed. You know, fun fact, Morbiiius is actually a boss in the PS2 version of Spider-Man 3. He also is married to Shriek in the game, too. H Well, one letter away from being Shrek. Do >> you think MorbiiUs would would marry Shrek? >> Yeah, probably. >> Yeah, >> I think so, too. Not a difficult jump at all. >> Americans automatically think that English people are gay. English people automatically point the finger to Scotland and Ireland who to Americans are just a bunch of English people. >> Do we? >> I I didn't know about this, but if they've said it in a super chat, it must be true. >> Shakespeare is not art for wanting to entertain the common man. What are you dense? No. The entertainment thing was so stupid. If it's designed to entertain, it's not really art, is it? It's like what? To be fair, I disqualify some soulless, passionless propaganda as film and art. Oh, I did read this one out. Comparing myself to allow it in the same field. I'll never consider Dial of Destiny a film or art. It's propaganda. Loads of art is going to be propaganda and vice versa. This they're like intertwined by design almost. Um >> and the thing is if you started saying we have to disqualify any piece of propaganda as art and then you find out some of your favorite pieces of art is propaganda from the person who made it in some way, shape or form and then your definition of propaganda is all over. It's like, I don't think you want to go down that road. Trust me, just [ __ ] on it if you think it's really bad. >> Much more comfortable for saying that it is bad art. That's all it is. >> This guy probably thinks that the abstract and obtuse films that students make or art and movies like Citizen Kane get a pass because he would be crucified if he said otherwise. He seems to be going somewhat in that direction. Um, I mean, he thinks that involving the label art into works like video games helps to destroy them because like people move into particular directions with it, but at that point we just you just need better developers. That's all. Hopefully Will doesn't mind this. If you had to erase Return of the King to erase everything that came after and why, he wouldn't do that. Uh, the thing with Return of the Jedi is that a lot of it is bad. >> Yep. Return of the King. Nah, Return of the King being erased isn't worth like a hundred years of bad Lord of the Rings at this point. >> Even that much bad Lord of the Ring. There's two seasons at the moment of Rings of Power and War of the Reherum. That's it. Soon to be three seasons of Rings of Power and the Unforgotten, but there's not as much in terms of content that you would be uh losing for the cost of losing Return of the King. And like you say, even if there were way more, I don't think it would be worth doing. Get [ __ ] Nick. Pinball isn't a game. Damn. Here's the thing. I [ __ ] hate Mario. Apparently, it's arcade is what Mario was. That's that's how it's categorized. A shilling for the games and art debate. Well, thank you very much. Happy anniversary moves. M Theo and Moriati also high rags. Yeah, we had a an all-star cast to discuss games as art. What about AI slop which literally isn't made by the credited artist but generated through a randomizer? >> It would depend. So that would entirely depend on the amount of prompting done. >> Also depends on your definition of art as well. A lot of people lock out a lot of you remember that guy we covered uh fringy I forget his name but he he makes like people were saying that his work shouldn't even really count as art because it's all kind of the same. Um, it was the episode we had I want to say Solar Sands on for, but it was He's like a He made like loads of picturesque images of like a cottage and it's snowing or something. Like loads of images like that. >> Yeah, cuz it was like he was kit or something. So, it's not art. It's like you could say that it's repetitive or not very interesting or inspiring, but like it's art. >> Yeah. um trying to push it to a level of he's barely even thinking when he produces them and they're all kind of the same and all this sort of thing. It's like it's still art though. Like if you want to start blocking that out then you're going to have a lot of consequences on the definition. >> It's complicated and it's a discussion that will never end. >> Holy interesting positions as well. It's like you look at all the classical definitions of art rely on human intent and human intentionality. It's like technique and Aristotle and stuff like that. Um, and so so like when it comes to say like AI being art, you could say, well, if the human basically prompts to the level of every brush stroke, then human intent is satisfied as a condition. So by the classical definition of art, it would be it would be considered art. However, to the extent that any randomizer comes into it or any decision is made that is not the product of human intent, it will always be less art than a child drawing a stick figure. But then when you look at the child stick figure, do you look at that and say that is obviously more art than something that was 95% done by man and 5% done by machine? It's a really interesting little rabbit hole you can go down if you don't, you know, come out too strongly in advance of the debate. You can have some interesting little debates with yourself as to what really constitutes art in that sense. But um most of the classical definitions would say the stick figure is more art than the AI one. But the AI one can be art under certain conditions. Uhum Nut Morati and Nick Oreo. That's it everybody. We peaked. Pack it up. And allstar cast to deal with the problem that is art. Nicholas the goat. I enjoy your streams my man. Uh he would appreciate that. What if we turn the triangle upside down? That [ __ ] triangle. Completely useless. I still [laughter] don't [ __ ] know what it is. What? What was it? What was the triangle for? >> And then the Odyssey doesn't get put in the triangle. It was like, what does that mean? >> Yeah, >> see is not hard. I agree. >> Oh, how mean of you. Rim World Factorio. This triangle hates everything. They're arcadey sims that allow you to craft your own narrative. Well, then they're not art buddy. Well, no video games are Where would Lord of Ring game go on the triangle? Ooh. Is that arcadey of ring? I think [laughter] I think so. I mean, you probably put it there. I don't think it counts as like immersive sim or um I don't know what the [ __ ] options even were at this point. Do I remember? Um I'm an hour and 40 minutes behind. Is this guy the same dude who was really mad that people thought the Clone Wars were not 100% evil? Yes. Uh, that would be back seat to know you were on someone else at that point. Um, art is a two-dimensional three-sided shape with three angles totaling 180°. There you go. Finally, someone comes up with a useful definition, you know. Um, how was your weekend? EAP's strongest soldier at my battle station for my 12-hour shift. Get some orange juice and fireball on me, lads. Oh, definitely ready for the uh the whole trip. I understand why he needed to clarify he wasn't AI. This video is abysmally brain dead. He's too stupid to understand why he's wrong. >> He's got a hot take that he wants to sort of break into the discussion with. Unfortunately, it's just there's like [ __ ] holes everywhere. >> Pick something else, you know? >> Happy anniversary. Has Nick Oreo, Mr. Oreo, convinced you to buy an Irish rich wristwatch? No. But maybe he will all in due time. Um, been watching since Muller and Drinker had less than 100k subs, since Wolf was a host, and since Fringy was definitely a bird. Happy birthday, Ephab. I love you guys. Oh, well, >> since I was definitely a bird implies that I'm not anymore, like that that's possible. >> What happened? >> I don't know. That's just very confusing. Um, this guy sounds like Southpaw with a cold. Interesting. Did this guy just make the argument that bad art is not actually art? Yeah, that's the whole video. When it's when it's too [ __ ] it's not art anymore. That's basically where he stands. >> Yeah, pretty much. >> And then in this case, literally no video game rises to the level of dsttoy >> because he knows which >> uh which reveals the like underlying problem he has. He just doesn't he thinks that art is like a sort of a good >> art's like stuff that came out 100 plus years ago. Um >> more so that it's like a reward like like you've done so well you deserve the label art. Yeah. It's something you have to earn and then all the other stuff is just kind of it just kind of exists but it's not art. Even though it's like then what would you categorize it as? Oh, it's entertainment. It's like what does that >> okay? [laughter] All right. What most bothersome too is just how much it'll appeal to some people who just have no idea what goes into making some of this stuff. >> For example, loathed as I am to admit it, there would have been many people that worked really hard on ordering Gollum. Okay. >> And uh that's not that's not me saying, "See, it's good." It's no, it's me saying it's art. There is artwork in there. There's lots of expression, lots of intent, lots of skill being used. It's unfortunate what it turned out to be for them. Not so much for us, but uh you know, it's just very funny. But the the point is, of course, like we're not going to dis disqualify you as artists because what you made was shitty. That's stupid. Doesn't make any sense. Um, he's Duma's dad. He's Duma's boomer. He's been playing video games for 60 years. 60 years of playing games. D. >> That's not even possible, I think, >> for for him. For that guy specifically. No, video games. Is video games a 60 year? You know, like I don't even know that it is. >> What did Aoy end up finding was the oldest video game? What what year would we have to get to? It would be what? >> I think the thing is is that it's once you're in the 70s, that's that's like firmly when video games started to sort of emerge more so. Um, which in that case it's 50 years. Because the thing is is like if you're pulling it even further back, it feels like it's kind of >> Oh, well, >> you know, >> depending on definitions, we've got in 1947, a cathode ray tube amusement device, earliest known interactive electronic video game using a scream patented by Thomas T. Goldsmith, Jr., >> I don't know. I I think in this case [laughter] I'm wondering about >> about where exactly we would define it as a a sort of you know it's almost like do we >> where does film get drawn the line at like film as a medium? Do we draw it at the first feature film, the first short film or like the first time that somebody >> managed to get a camera [snorts] that could you know record like take multiple pictures rapidly and then play it like on a projector. Where exactly do we draw the line? someone yelling at you and being like, "Have you played cathode ray tube amusement device?" Like, "No, I have not. >> Maybe you shouldn't be talking about this until you've got more experience." >> Uh, random film talk should stay the whole stream, please. The man has to sleep. Implying that we did not, but we also did, but we we get prep time. Okay. But he stayed for a while. Did he come back? I can't remember. Some people did. on the flip side. >> I think he did. Didn't he have something on on the Sunday? >> Oh, yeah. He had he did have something on so he couldn't join us again, but he stayed for a for a real long while. It sounds like what they're actually chasing is legitimization of the medium. I promise this medium is just as valid as yours. Please accept me. Um, I guess that can cause a lot of different results in the sense that uh video games are perpetually in a state of trying to get legitimized by in the sense of people looking at it and being like, "Oh yeah, that is actually meaningful. There's good stuff happening there." Having trouble on that front considering all of the [ __ ] Um, feels if anything we're going backwards now. Take for example all of the mobile game ads or all the monetization like stupid [ __ ] all the always online. It's so infested with um stagnation on creativity, but also money-making things that come off as borderline abusive scams. Whereas, I guess other mediums don't seem to have as much trouble on this cuz it's like, hey, watch a movie. Here is TV show. Video games is is like there's so many steps in. That's the argument that I would find more interesting than Mario isn't [ __ ] art cuz you just jump. You just jump on stuff and [ __ ] jump around. It's It's clearly an arcade game. It's not art. It's arcade. It's like, what does that even mean? You know, the legitimization of video games as art is forever going to be in trouble probably. And we're not doing any better as it stands. I don't think Andy Warhol was a troll. Look at the picture he drew to be placed on the moon. >> So, a troll is still going to be an artist. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Happy 400, guys. Fun thing to notice about the faces of PlayStation and Xbox are both Spartans. Also, what's everyone's favorite Thanos quote? >> Oh, yeah. I guess that's an interesting point. >> That is a funny point. I guess the thing is is that in the case of uh Kratos, that was one that he kind of had then lost and reclaimed a bit. >> Yeah. as kind of one of the only persistent characters that people like cuz other ones get retired like Nathan Drake or they get hit with a golf club like Joel or they were boring in the first place like Aloy. So yes, I guess that is funny. As for favorite Thanos quote. Um uh the dread run from it destiny still arrives is a pretty good one. Something I really liked on my first run among many of his quotes was when he just beats Iron Man in a very fair and square kind of way and then he's just so impressed with him in terms of what he knows about him from his intelligence but also is like the way he fought that he's like I hope they remember you as he's about to kill him. I just remember being like damn dude >> that's a good line. I was rewatching the um it's it's like the last big speech he does before the fights cap Thor and um and Iron Man in in Endgame isn't really for my favorite quote. It was this one that ends with I am inevitable. But it just struck me as interesting cuz he says, you know, I thought when I wiped out half of all life that the universe would flourish, but it doesn't because you all remember. Um so my plan now is that I'm going to tear everything apart and build an entirely new universe, one that's full of life. And I thought they Yeah. So you Dr. Doom. >> Yeah. >> That's what they're doing. They've just niched Thanos's speech and made a movie out of it. >> Well, and a lot of people were like, "Oh, Doom's dialogue is going to be amazing because he said for I am Doom." But I'm like, um, >> L answers to me. It's like, damn, that's embarrassing. >> It's just uh, and you know, to be clear, like really trying a lot of the time with his lines, and yet they're really potent. >> Yeah. But I would also go as far as saying I guess that um even they kind of [ __ ] up with Thanos even in the second half. You know, like his quotes were nowhere near as good in Endgame as they were in uh Infinity War. >> I mean, you know, the only one that stands out in Endgame is you couldn't live with your own failure and where did that bring you back to me. It's like that's pretty cool line, but that's like the only one where >> I agree, but it's frustrating because it's not even him. >> I know. That's what I mean. Yeah. Like it's all, you know, sometimes the the what is it? The hardest choices require the strongest wills. >> Yeah. >> Um, you know, I will watch the your sunset sunrise on on a grateful universe. >> Mhm. >> Um, there's uh uh to feel so desperately that you're right, to fail all the same. [laughter] A lot of a lot of good words. >> They they were, as the kids say, cooking with him. >> You're not the only one cursed with knowledge. >> [laughter] >> Doesn't he say like my only curse is you, buddy? What's like that? >> Come on. [laughter] It's a really cool fight. >> Like, don't throw a mood at me again. >> Yeah. You throw another moon at me and I'm going to lose it. >> Yeah. Oh man, that's like such investment in the [ __ ] story at that point. >> That was peak. That was peak. It's all It's all been downhill since then. And it's like the only Doctor Strange fight that felt like it made sense despite it all being magical [ __ ] Yeah, it was cool [clears throat] that every everything it's like hyper Thanos was weaponizing everything and like uh Strange was mainly sort of uh I don't know like uh holy [ __ ] why is the word escape you know like kind of deowering the hard counter was to soften it a lot of a lot of it like when he gets the big you know like black hole thrown at him and he turns it into butterflies. Well, so and this just we never did this again, but like um Strange pushes the mirror versse mirror universe on him and and Thanos smashes it >> and then uses the shards to like attack him. It's like that shit's so [ __ ] cool and it's a bit of intuition with what's happening there for the magic. >> But like uh Doctor Strange duplicating himself a million times and using all of the the the like whips and stuff and then he uses the the mind stone or the soul stone to figure out which one's the real one. >> Yep. >> Like that. We'll never get anything like that ever again. >> Well, no. It's Infinity War was like the last time that it really felt like um as much as there are criticisms to be dealt with in terms of the the Infinity Stones and and uh the power levels for them. It still feels like that movie, you know, cuz cuz the Wakanda fight is not very interesting at all. Um but the the battle on Titan is super cool in terms of the way that it's utilizing everybody's abilities. It's the It's the thing that you enjoy seeing in um in in these movies is like the synchronicity of the abilities. Some well like in the Marvels like no not like that because there's nothing very interesting about that. But it's the idea of yeah Doctor Strange sends his cape to stop him from, you know, closing his fist while he creates portals for Spider-Man to jump through and kick him. It's it's a it's like a fun way to to to sort of to mess around with it or, you know, a lot of it was strange with Super Ela, right? Creating platforms for uh Star-Lord to jump on so that he could close a distance or, you know, Iron Man um like coming in at the same time trying to drop, you know, a ship on him. Yeah. >> And and it's it's yeah, we don't really because in Endgame you get a little bit of that when when uh when it's uh Iron Man, Thor, and Cap fighting Thanos, but then you've got the problem of like, dude, how is he even like surely he loses this like instantly? You know, how does he lose to Iron Man and Thor and Captain? How does he win against all three of them at the same time without the gauntlet? How is that possible? >> Yeah, >> I hate that [ __ ] But no, we're not allowed to talk about power scaling. That's uh that makes that's that's not paying attention to what the story is about. No one cares about power scaling. >> Okay. Everybody's okay. I hate to break it to you, but if we had to boil it down to like the core, a lot of people are there to see them fight. [laughter] That's what they want to see. >> Well, and and when they have that fight, like, oh, nobody really care. I'd be like, oh, sorry to let you know this, but you actually care about it in everything. I didn't I don't think I guess you didn't know. >> Yeah. Power scaling applies to things that you don't even think it applies to. [ __ ] someone running away from Michael Myers. Like, do you think it changes it when it's like a a you know, random teenage girl or a child or a [ __ ] marine? It's like, yeah, of course it does. >> Mhm. >> Art is not a qualitative label. Just in all caps, they said this. >> Agreed though. Uh, well, it's it's the part of the conversation that doesn't seem to get properly addressed in his video, but he's convinced he's right. Gosh darn it. Happy 400. You did it okay the way that you did it. Question. Did any of you lads ever watch Metal Aocalypse? If so, who was your favorite character? If not, the first season especially is a treat. Also, High Rags. Did either of you watch it? >> Nope. >> No. >> It's an Adult Swim animation. I've seen all of it, I'm pretty sure. Uh, very very funny. Very good for Metal fans, not necessarily Metal Commander fans, but I think you guys will probably have a good cross-section. Anyway, uh, favorite character ended up at first I think it might have been like, you know, Nathan Explosion sort of thing, but as time went on, um, it kind of just became a mix of so like Mark Hamill plays a whole bunch of supporting characters in that and they're all like wacky, insane, funny sorts of things. I quite liked um Roxo obviously to an extent. Uh but I think the guy I was watching it with, we even sort of felt like I wonder how much they can do uh Roxo before it gets kind of annoying cuz um I don't know, there's only so many times you can maybe get away with it like it's a joke. You got to kind of develop it and stuff. Um I I think a lot of people end up picking Murderface as their favorite as well. I'm trying to think of who I would settle on. Um, there was so many really awesome voices in that by the way. Vera Hog is in it. Um, like I said, Mark Hamill, Malcolm McDow is like a main character voice for it. Uh, who is the voice? Let me actually check. feel like uh everything's gotten much more complicated on on IMDb on phone now. The information you actually want takes ages to get to it. Hang on, I'll find that uh in a second, but while I answer another but but no, I I really like it and it's a pretty easy recommendation for anybody who likes uh metal as a genre of music. Art is the con concretization of a vision or an idea, right? Being wellmade or not has no bearing on it being art or not. This dude is trying to be deep but has no idea what he's talking about. Congrats on the 8th anniversary. Well, thank you. >> Uh it sort of depends. There are so many definitions. It's according to so like Aristotle would say actually the art is not the thing you produce. It is the act of producing. So, but then you would get is it can he who says it's the product of genius and so it has to be like genius has to go into it but the product is itself like there's a debate as to whether or not even the thing you paint is the artwork or whether the act of painting is the art that you do or whether the intentionality of producing the painting is art but the painting is merely the result of artistic process. It's no one really has a definition of art these days because we don't do metaphysics because metaphysics is is kind of lame and boring and gay and it doesn't really get you anywhere. But it's the kind of conversations everybody used to have all the time. But it produces the lack of it now is why everyone gets slightly confused as to what they're talking about when art's even mentioned cuz the definition used to be completely inseparable from the overall philosophy of the person you held. Like you can't have art for Plato without the entire philosophy of the realm of forms and stuff like that. We don't have that. So now we just sort of argue as to whether or not the word art applies to something without really understanding what the definition we're using is. And nobody seems particularly interested. It's why I think Fringy you said what counts as art is just whether it's been around for more than a hundred years. And that's kind of the operative definition. That really is just it. It's purely functional. >> Yeah, pretty much. It's like well dostoski is art cuz he wrote like crime and punishment in the 19th century. It's been around. It's the kind of thing that you probably have to read at school or university like is another category which of course can help certain things that aren't as old as that. You know, newer creations like To Kill a Mockingbird or something. It's like well that's art cuz I had to read it at school. Like it's uh >> I I can't hear Dosky without thinking about the guy who called him Doski in that clip. [laughter] >> No, that's pretty funny. Yeah. Um it's uh if it was like Dostoyki is another sort of one of those. It's it's like almost trying to get claimed by the self-help world. It's like, can you guys please not do that, please and thank you? >> But uh yeah, in the case of in the case of a lot of people's, it's like, yeah, art is the kind of thing you see at a museum. Like art is the kind of thing that you almost don't actually sort of appreciate on a daily basis. It's a kind of thing that you make a dedicated effort to go and see or alternatively that you were forced to engage with in order to write a report for university. [laughter] It's it's not something that you should expect to be dealing with on a day-to-day basis, which uh I think is a really silly uh definition. >> Yeah. Sorry. And the reason I don't know why I blanked, but it was Brandon Small, Brandon Small, sorry, that did the voice of uh which I think he's big part of the creation of Metal Aocalypse, but u Austin, their kind of like manager somewhat butler character. He ended up being someone who I was just like, "Oh, he's there functionally for the plot in Metal Aocalypse, but he eventually became like kind of a favorite character." Um, in the same way, I think a lot of people, not for the same reasons, but fringy community, a lot of people would be like, "The dean is kind of funny." And then eventually being like, "Holy [ __ ] I think you might be my favorite character." Like, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll takes you'll eventually realize like, damn, I I can't I can't do without him, you know? [laughter] He needs to be in this story. >> Do you remember the uh do you remember it was the uh I think it was the second Dungeons and Dragons was like in season five where he was playing the character was the son of Jeff's character. >> Yes. >> And he's like, "I hug my father. I draw my sword. Stay back." You know, what do you do? I hug my father. You've been impaled. Then he like drags himself for it as well to hug him. [laughter] >> What was uh he had like a really edgy name. The >> It was It was Rigs Die Hard. >> Rigs Die Hard. Yeah. >> That was that was Jeff's character and his was uh I can't remember exactly, but yeah. Cuz Rig's Die Hard was meant to be uh Mike um and uh and the son of the >> Mike ends up being the [ __ ] like Hobbit or goblet or something. >> Yeah. Oh yeah, [laughter] I know his name but I don't know it right now. What was Why do I forget his name? The guy who played his son. He was uh David something, isn't it? >> Cross. >> You know the guy? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, cuz he's in a bunch of stuff. >> It was a good episode. It was uh season five, right? >> Season five is a good one. Season five, they pull it back >> and then they lose it again in season six. >> Yeah. >> Um, Doom Eternal has [ __ ] writing, but the level design is stunning. How is that not art? Hell, Stella Blade is art. I don't know. Why are we in a position where hell stellar blade is art? >> Yeah, you don't need to say if it's if it's creative expression and it's it's art. It's easy easy. >> It feels weird to be drawn that far back, you know, like are video games even? You're like, what? What do you what [laughter] crazy? But yes, plenty of people still having that discussion. Much like people are still having a discussion of is 60 fps really better than 30? I don't think so. And you're like, oh. >> I put out a tweet, Jesus Christ, Grand Theft Auto is going to be 30. So now 30 is actually good. >> I put out the people stare on that announcement and there was a reply that said, as if you were ever going to play GTA anyway. >> What? as if you were even going to play the most popular video game of all time. >> I was like, first of all, [laughter] I played a [ __ ] ton of uh San Andreas, Vice City, and uh PSP one. I can't remember the which one it was, but >> uh well, Liberty City or Vice City Stories >> would have been one of them, but um and then I also played a chunk of GTA 4 as well. Not didn't get as much time into that one, but really weird to be like as if you were going to play the most popular video [laughter] game on the planet like Yeah. I mean, >> no. I mean, you know, the 30 FPS thing is lame, but they can get away with it cuz it's Rockstar. >> Yes. >> And they probably they probably want to essentially control how good that game looks. Um, which to be fair, it is like probably the single most like impressive video game based on that extended look from a graphics standpoint. It's like kind of mind-blowing, but it would be nice if I could run it at 60 frames per second. Even if there was some cost on that front, I'll take it. And and of course I wouldn't need to play it at all or be invested at all to be annoyed that they're going to be setting another industry drawback standard. If they can get away with it, a bunch of other people be like, "We can too." And you're like, "Oh, fuck." >> It's like, "Oh, does this undo how like consoles became much more playable lately because of the 60 fps performance mode that a lot of g cuz PlayStation 4 was particularly grim on uh on that front. PlayStation 3 was kind of bad, but you still had some games that were trying to go for 60 fps for a while there before they gave up. We improved and I don't Yeah, I don't need to be going backwards. Okay. No, please no. A400 EAP uh lasted longer than M's PC. So, 8 years of EFAB, I believe that actually lines up. I'm on my cuz I had a really bad PC when I made the TLJ video and the second I made enough money to get a new PC, I I bought it cuz it was like basically job insurance at that point. That PC I think lasted I want to say until Black Widow. When was Black Widow? Do you remember? >> 2021. >> So if we started 2018, I would have gotten the new PC around was that late 2021? >> Uh well, the video would have been probably done late 2021. Yeah. >> Oh, no, no, no. It was, if you remember, my PC nearly died when we were streaming the coverage of Black Widow. >> Oh, yes. So that would have been like mid 2021 then. >> So something like that. Yeah. which is around I don't know 3 threeish years of whatever the new PC 3 4 and then I got a new one which lasted until Rings of Power um specifically >> which season >> one season one >> Oh damn. So it only lasted a year and a half. >> Wait, that can't be right. Then what would season two put us at? >> Season two is 2024. >> That doesn't seem right either. Hm. >> No, I feel like there's something's gone wrong here in your uh sorry, it's not like I I didn't replace it at Rings of Power. Rings of Power is where I had my first issue with the the newer PC. It was where I had to jury rig a way of turning it on because the power button didn't work anymore. [laughter] Um but it still everything was fine. The power button didn't work. That was the only problem. So like that's when that happened and it interrupted us doing Rings of Power for a little bit uh to get back on it. But I think Metal helped me solve that. than it was sometime later that I bought the current one that I'm on. And the current one, everything is fine except that a cooler that apparently is known to have issue. Like everything else is working really well. It's it's a powerful, good, happy PC. But the not having a cooler on the CPU is probably not great, though. I've uh I've said before I've got a constant monitor on the temperature of the core, and if it ever goes, you know, in any way scary, I can just But I've got a cap on it anyway. So, you know, broadly speaking, we're all we're all fine. EFAP is fine. Okay, you'll keep getting your regularly scheduled content, but um it is about time broadly that I probably will. This this PC I'm pretty sure is 4 years old. Um >> that sounds about right. I I I vaguely recall you getting a new one around 2022ish. The thing about everything changes with like standards, but I would have said, you know, four years is a good lifespan for the way I treat PCs, but now it's like I don't even want to buy a new PC, you know, with how everything is going, how everything is. But >> no, cuz they're really expensive and it feels like the more that times goes goes on, the less stable. >> Yes, that's the other problem. >> Yeah, that's that's the thing that's incredibly annoying. Why why why is it getting worse? Why why is why why is it why is it getting worse for the amount of money that's getting spent and the amount of resources that go into like computing in you know in the the time that we find ourselves in? Why why are there more issues? Oh god, Windows XP. We didn't know how good we had it. >> No, we didn't. >> Just stable operating system. >> Well, all the [ __ ] rigma rolling I have to do of the new PC of installing a bunch of programs I want the old versions of. For example, Vegas 19 I don't want. the newer Vegases anymore, the [ __ ] service related ones. Maybe it'll force me to have to learn a different editing software. Who can say? Um, I agree. Oh, wait. Eight [ __ ] years. Yeah, happy 400 lasted longer than all this PC. I think I just read that one out. I agree with Nicholas Dior's take on Aliens as subhuman. And if any aliens out there have a problem with that, they can take it up with me personally. Wow. All righty. S would not work as a film. There are too many parts that require player agency to work. I agree that it would not function the same way, but you can definitely adapt portions of what is very meaningful about it into a different format. It's possible. It just wouldn't be the same. And you do lose something by not making it a game. It is a mistake to think that it works better in another medium instinctually, like, you know, because of its lack of mechanics or something. There's something else going on in it that's a little bit more complicated than just how many buttons you can press to make certain things happen. Um, happy eight years. Thanks for the good rat over the years. Here's to many more. Thank you very much. And give me Batwoman season 3. Probably never going to happen, but I can understand why you'd be invested. There's no there's no Jacob in season 3, guys. You really want to see that? >> Yeah. >> I don't know, man. It's just uh just rough. Hello, future rags. What's your opinion on 9mm versus 45 and DA/SA SAO or Striker fired? I'm afraid he can't answer that question, but I'm sure he would have an answer for it. He's still streaming um a lot like he was doing uh different video games and stuff. So, if you you find him doing that, you can send it to him and he will answer you. Not only will he answer, you'll answer in depth probably with a with a gun question. Uh Nick, you are Italian. How do you not know that? Wow, Nick failed an Italian reference. Patrician joked about this kind of guy on Halo EAP. Immersive sim players are gamers cinnaphiles. Yeah, we were we were sort of breaking it down, right? The game equivalent of uh novel or books versus literature or or some that kind of categorization with movies then as well and then inevitably it'll happen with games. But don't worry, for now games are so young that they don't even get to be considered art. So have to wait a bit longer on that front. reminder that Ason Wells voiced Unicron, which uh is awesome, right? >> In the uh in the the movie. >> Mhm. Yeah, >> that's cool. >> He argues art on a technical ability over feeling. >> Well, uh I mean a technical ability is there's a there's a low threshold for your the technical, you know, like I said, stickmen art. Of course they are. >> Well, but also I mean how does this I I would say that probably at least that wasn't even the way that he would be doing it consistently because there's way more technical ability that goes into making any video game than like writing a book. Like almost inherently writing a book just requires you to have like an understanding of the English language or you know whatever language you want to write it in and certain things with like pros or formatting uh like elements of style that you know that sort of thing. um compared to like compared to a game, right? Like it's it's a reason why like technical mastery. It's like well I mean art is more than technical mastery, right? You're trying to express something. You're trying to like say something with what you're making. It's the reason why looking at it through that lens of technical skill. It's like somebody can be way more technically imp one punch man right like technically you know the web comic like it don't look great you know compared to other things but like what the story is about and what it's trying to say is clearly very very worthwhile and uh and comes through like as much as much as it needs to like through the way that it's expressed. This is the reason why trying to draw it like by these lines is just probably not the way to do it. It's just art is art. Somebody made something, they want to say something, they used some sort of a medium or technique to express it. There you go. You, you know, tick, you've done it. Whether it's good or bad, then we can go from there. Halo is the sci-fi pulp franchise of the video game world. There is no way a real snob would pick it. Like, like I said, I thought it was a shocking pick for him. >> Given that he was talking about like Pride and Prejudice and stuff, to them pick Halo is pretty remarkable. Um he he he would have been better off if he said The Last of Us. >> Oh god. Yes. >> He would have fit the caricature a little bit better than suddenly bringing up Halo. It's like Yeah. But it's cuz he likes Halo. >> I like Halo, too. >> It almost is the worst um position for him to be in because to make all of these broader claims and then to be like, "Okay, fine." Instead of knocking down like trying to prove your statements wrong, show us what your representation of the ultimate art in video game is. And you hold up Halo. And again, no shade to Halo, but it's just like, what in the [ __ ] Like, with everything you just said, we were expecting something much more pretentious, like a game that is black and white and 4x3 with [ __ ] you know, you have to interpret the story through the medium of dance, that sort of thing. Not Halo. But, um, the thing is he's he's he's all right. He's he's welcome into our fold of Yes, Halo is art. Congratulations. It's just a lot of other things are too. Uh, criticism of the day. I must understand the reason I say criticism of the day is because six characters is not much and it's for you guys to prepare yourselves. Yeah, but you could just you don't even need it. [laughter] You don't have to reduce it down. You just not say it at all. >> Seems Mhler tries to coers Moriati to scream out slurs. I do no such thing. It happens. It simply happens. You know, it's a beautiful accident. Happy 400. Thank you. I have to interact with people at this party which is hard to pull off. So, it's not great art. I think I understand what you're saying. Happy 400 years, you massives. Is art supposed to be Alfred? I mean, if you've written Alfred at that point, he is an art. You know, if you've animated him, too. If you're performing him as an actor, that's there's lots of artistic elements there that are involved in Alfred. Guys, Gulp, he's right behind us, isn't he? Oh, I think this is cuz the guy who made the video was actually in chat, which fair enough. just wanted to talk to everybody about >> Is Gulp He's right behind me. More of a meme or less of a meme than the sarcastic he's right behind me, isn't he? >> Or you know what I'm talking about. >> That just happened as a competitor. >> Well, that's that's what I mean is that I'm saying he's right behind me, isn't he? Is like a that's just happened like that kind. Which one do you think is more of a meme, the gulp or the >> or that one? The self-aware one? I don't know. Um because I don't even sure which one I see more often. Some of the times with these things it's like, "Oh yeah, we see that all the time." And then I can't even think of a single example. >> That's the thing. It's so common that you never log any example of it. >> Yeah. Discolesium is an amazing game. Commies pretend supports them. Communists are literally shown as corrupt criminal syndicate. I need to get around to play at some point. I hear things. >> I think so. Yeah. like what all I've heard is that it's a very good game. >> Uh Peeb is in chat right now. You can bring him on. Well, we were looking at his video which stands on its own. I don't think he uh gets a bit weird when you cover a video of someone's with someone. >> It would also be unfortunate I think for him to jump onto a panel with seven people telling him that his arguments suck and his video is [ __ ] It's just like [laughter] it's just kind of unpleasant really. Also, unfortunately, it's so funny to say this, where we were like watching a [ __ ] eight minute video and we took three hours or something. We were on a schedule. It was tight to the point where we did not cover anywhere near as much as we were necessarily hoping to in terms of broader topics while simultaneously we got to cover loads of [ __ ] But we also went over by like 2 hours, which um you know, again, apologies, but I think it was a pretty good anniversary, so it worked out. Epic. Um, when EAP started, I was a 13 to 14year-old getting through secondary school and high school. I am now 22, finishing college. Hard to say, but you've made up a good part of my upbringing. Happy ETH. Hi, Rags. Well, on one hand, I'm not sure if 13-year-olds should be watching our show considering some of the stuff we cover, but on the other, hopefully you're doing well and you're a happy, welladjusted adult in the best way possible. >> Finishing university there. >> Yeah, good stuff. And you know, young people are impressionable and we need to steer them clear of becoming Boogie Maxes. [clears throat] So, it's probably for the best. >> He's a big We did have loads of messages talking about how they've chosen to start losing weight because of Boogie. >> Well, that's good. The thing is you you know unfortunately everyone gets older and your body gets less and less great at processing you know uh I guess stored energy and uh you start start realizing the stuff you did before to remain at the weight you were isn't good enough. So you know you got to watch out. You don't want to become him or anyone like him where they melt into their respective uh recliner or something and then can't escape their own house. Um, as as many of people have said, his his feet and legs, they're described as rotted. Uh, which is not what you want. Want to keep making sure you walk places and stuff. Uh, Moriati, known leftist. I mean, technically, we've all been accused of that at some point, being accused of every [ __ ] leaning. What the [ __ ] is wrong with Armenian girls? >> A known leftist. >> Accused of being a known leftist. >> Um, we've been accused of being everything. So, >> no, I I enjoy it just described as an accusation. Like, shuse. >> I just I just like the known part. It's like you're forcing it into reality. You wouldn't need to say that if it was true. [laughter] >> That's That's right. It's it's it gives the game away. >> Everyone knows this about you. Like, oh. Uh, so someone said, "What the [ __ ] wrong with Armenian girls?" I don't remember someone [ __ ] on >> Armenian. It's Anita because I think he mentioned Anita Sarkeesian and said Armenian cuz she's Armenian. >> Oh well I she doesn't she doesn't represent them all. Don't worry. It's it's all good. >> Well it's just [laughter] I don't know. It's just she who must not be named or something like I don't know why you can just say who you were talking about there. >> It is funny for a character who undeniably and don't let people pretend that's not the case like she was massively influential. um she was getting invited to speeches at like the UN and stuff like that was a massive influence but now it's almost fascinating because it's like you never >> she's got no influence anymore around right but like yeah she doesn't nobody cares anymore >> she married herself weird >> that was uh and posted about it on the internet [laughter] >> which why would you do that why' you let people know that's something you did >> um he lies to me. He hates me. Todd Howard wants to take my e money. Anyway, Fringy, recite Big Smoke's order in Trump's accent. It shouldn't change. >> Oh, I I mean, I can't remember the whole thing. A a number nine, a number seven with extra dip, two [ __ ] I can't remember all the numbers. It was like two number fours and a and a large soda. >> Beautiful. I can't remember exactly the order, but it was something like that. [laughter] >> Thanks for your awesome content for past 8 years. Did you ever play original Gothic? I loved it as a child and recent remake is pretty good. Can recommend? No, but I've heard people recommend it. I have not played it. I assume you guys haven't either. >> No, you know, I had something that was uh it was Quake and Malice. They were on the same I think demo disc that I had when I was super young. It's funny playing Quake first and got used to it and loved it. Whenever I booted up Malice, uh which I I don't think I've heard anybody talk about. Uh I just remember being annoyed that it wasn't Quake. You know, the mechanics were different, the approach was different. I always want to play it now to see what it's like, but I just remember distinctly being like, I want more Quake. Why isn't this Quake? Um but uh Gothic. No, I never played it. He keeps saying, "What's bad rat?" But no references to good rat. We can't read your mind. Uh no, he used Halo. Halo was the answer. Even though he said Halo failed to qualify as well, right, ultimately >> I think so closer than some others, but >> well because Halo's got like really solid mechanics as a loop. It's got a solid enough story. It's got a good enough soundtrack, which you realize then all that he wants is that there's no part of it that's overtly shitty, which he thinks all video games are at least [ __ ] in some way. So like for example with Mario, he'd be like, "All the stories are just [ __ ] They're not Pride and Prejudice, >> which I'm sure upsetsy, >> which well it's just they're not [ __ ] They they they are they are functional. >> Like that there's nothing actually wrong with with the typical Mario story. It doesn't have the big problems that a lot of uh a lot of um other uh other other stories can, the more complex ones. >> Yeah. Yeah. You'll get your rent when you fix this damn multiverse. It's uh definitely a quote from old Toby in the upcoming Avengers Doomsday. Um what do the triangles mean, Precious? Oh, so Doomsday is inspired by Batoman when else Beth died saving Alice instantly. Another piece of media stealing from the greatest show ever. Do you remember that Fringy? >> Wait, could you say that again? Sorry. elseorld's Alice who was like a good person and she saved >> B. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And then Ned Flanders shot her and [laughter] and and you remember that was um cuz cuz it was like both Alicees couldn't like exist at the same time. >> Yes. >> So the evil Alice was going to die, but then when when uh the good Alice got shot, the evil Alice sprung to life and then knocked Ruby Rose out and continued on [laughter] her evil adventures. >> Utter [ __ ] garbage. But I did love uh [snorts] Ned Flanders. He was funny as hell >> until he died. Yeah, cuz >> live on live. [laughter] >> Rub is such an atrociously awful actor. Holy [ __ ] >> Yep. But that's what made it cuz once they got the new one in, it's like, "Oh, damn. You're not as you're not as funny." >> Yeah, she was fine. She was like a great actress, but she was she was bordering on like, you know, good and it was like, "That's no fun." And then No, Jacob. Yeah, they ruined the show. Season one was an amazing show. Um, and they never got to recapture that kind of power. But it's a great little time capsule, isn't it? It's like, what the [ __ ] were they thinking? You're like, I know. No Batman, but Batwoman and the thieves are I'm a woman. [laughter] [ __ ] Remember [laughter] she was in the the skyscraper where everyone was like under threat and she she was like I got to save him. So I I'll go home and get my outfit and then go back instead of helping them. >> Of course. That's right. You got to get the outfit with the wig. >> Oh, it's so good. Now I fully trust a guy named Dr. Doom. I know Gary thinks that they're going to have to try and address that or make a joke about it. I'm not even sure that they will. We'll see cuz like it's so ridiculous, isn't it? It's like this Dr. Doom guy. I don't know if we can trust him. [laughter] It's an interesting name. They'll just call him Victor over I think that's what Gary said, right? They'll just keep calling him Victor to draw attention away from the fact that he's called Dr. Doom. >> They do it in the trailers. >> Victor. Uh, if there's anything you should improve for year 9, Mhler, it's your handling of super chats. I know you don't want to spam content, but that's pretty much the only solution. Otherwise, people would just have to wait seven months. Bad. I disagree. I think that the way that we've done it is not only working, but the the reason it was drawn back, we can finally talk about it now. The reason it all got drawn back is because of the [ __ ] Star Wars Halloween and another arc that's getting filmed, recorded, whatever, we just haven't been able to actually record them. Um, and obviously you might be like, well then you shouldn't be making them. It's like, I don't think that that's that's going to have to be the way that it works, right? Like there's a hierarchy of needs, you could say, for different things that we create. But I have stuck to on a principled level exactly how we approach this and I think it's worked out actually pretty solidly while simultaneously producing a [ __ ] ton for you guys. Um I think myself bringing in platoon have been a part of basically all of it in the past year. And uh you know like I said worked out pretty well. We're we're not fully caught up on super chats but we're nearly there. I'm I'm not even kidding. We fell behind quite a bit because of recording every week for loads of different stuff. And when you see It's edited down to like 25 hours. The Star Wars adventure. >> We wanted [clears throat] to make sure you guys had something pretty cool for EAP 100. Do you understand how long it took to make that? Not only on the front of recording, but for editing. Also making a bunch of other stuff. Obviously, we want super chats answered as soon as possible. But we can't do everything. It's just not possible. And we're certainly not going to uh like you know put everything on pause in order to enable like one thing over another forever. Um we managed to pair up so Stranger Things, The Boys, Night of the Seven Kingdoms episodes can all go together because they're all same subject. We can have some crossover with video games. If uh we cover two or three within like a a handful of months, I can pair them together. Obviously, we can release all of the anniversary ones in one in one go, but uh yeah, I I had a trust the process sort of thing with this and I think it's it's turned out pretty well well balanced. And by the way, I took over the highlights channel myself and have been making sure that that stays functional at the same time. Trying to make, you know, new stuff, new videos. Also trying to stream uh with Real BBC, Open Bar, and still doing the the gaming stuff every once in a while. I think you guys who uh who support this show, who we are extremely thankful to, by the way, don't mind waiting for a response to the message if you get a proper response instead of like, you know, an acknowledgement and then it's uh sort of ignored or something. You know, I I want them out faster, but I want everything out faster. There's just uh it's just physics gets in the way of these sorts of things. You know, I I I do want to say like thanks to um Platoon and Fringy for donating. so much of your time per week to just EFAP stuff. It's there's a lot. And I can't even promise it's going to calm down because we got more stuff on the way. >> Oh, no. It's going to be the opposite. >> Yeah. >> Next few months is going to be insane. >> It is. Um and so we're doing what we can with the time that we have to stay on top of everything. But we are so close. The second we're caught up on super chats, which I think that between the three of us, we're going to be able to pull off relatively soon. if even if it's not all out yet, uh there there's plenty that are on their way. Uh we can do a meme fap. We we've been needing to do one for a long time because it was really fun seeing a lot of the uh community made stuff in the in the portion of the anniversary. I want to get back to um all kinds of wacky things. And with the EAP movies 100 out of the way and we won't have to concern ourselves with any kind of wacky project on that front until EAT Movies 1000. a joke, but maybe um we got a bit of a gap on the front of [snorts] getting some more time to do some things. So, yes. Um this has been the format the whole time, by the way. It's just a matter of different uh efforts come in the way of different things. also um found a found a relatively new editor that I've made uh a mention of that you're going to see a lot of his work in EAP Movies 100 that'll likely ease some stuff up for us in terms of making things cuz we still got uh EAP TV is going to be revitalized with Ahsoka. So, we'll see how that goes. Who's who's going to be editing it necessarily? Probably be fringy, but you know, anything [clears throat] could happen. Also, other than that, what's another like TV show that we might be having that format with? Cuz they they've not said anything for Marvel and Star Wars, right? Other than we're not going to do Vision Quest, I don't think. >> Doesn't seem like there's a huge amount on the horizon compared to the deluge that we got there for a while from both. >> Harry Potter be a episode, right? That's more of an episode than >> Yeah. More likely a regular in the same way that it's like when you do Rings of Power, like Rings of Power doesn't lend itself well to EAP TV. No. >> Um, but we'll definitely be covering it. But yes, we're almost, as crazy as it sounds, because you haven't seen it all yet, but let me just reassure you from behind the scenes, we're almost tightened up on almost everything in the way that I've I've even I showed Frankie, I've got a schedule weekly now that's cleaned up everything in terms of how everything's produced. Um, and it's all a result of lots of hard work that I appreciate everybody making sure happens as well as the lads keeping the lights on, which is you audience members, which uh, you know, we're it feels meta. We're literally doing that right now. Um, the super supper cats wanted to be called super chats this one time, sty they told me. I think there's a fight developing already between them and we're not even I think maybe they're fighting for the end of part one. I don't know. You lie. They didn't say that. uh this fight between Zenith and Sty. Um it is pathetic to just keep on giving Steve Rogers Mujolnir. Once uh worked once, you can't keep redoing it. It might even be a point of if they didn't, everyone would just question why he's not got it. But then again, I don't know. You shouldn't really have Steve Rogers in this story now, especially with the this story shouldn't even be happening is kind of where we're actually at. But um it's not like it's a major payoff. He just sort of has it and then he'll be casually using it and then um I guess Doom is going to kill his son or something. We'll have to see how that goes. The subcats protests die. They say you lie. Oh my. The subcats say you lie, not me. I mean, this doesn't seem fair if you guys are writing the the supper cats and then defining what their opinions are and then saying their opinions are that and then this this fight seems like it wouldn't have any end. Sometimes the ways the supper cats are above you. Not true. I just do as the supperats command. Same for me, Sty. Same for me. Um, God bless my favorite show. Grats on 400, buds. Well, thank you. She has a vision of death and space crisis. Said unironically as a plot point to the movie. That I believe completely. She's going to tell Thor that she's had a vision and he's going to have to go and sort out the space crisis. Um, I'm going to need more green for this summary alone. Well, we did get through it eventually. It was a tough one, though. They have to use universe cannons. A universe desert eagle would shoot through both universes. Again, I completely believe the universe cannon because they tried to teleport Earth in the Fantastic 4. I don't see. It's just not a stretch at all. I'm sorry. >> Is that a Mr. Fantastic pun there? I'm going to claim it is. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Who knows if it was on purpose. Uh, we should take the entire universe and push it somewhere else. Pat Boins. He's He's ahead of his time, Patrick. You know, he knew what was up. Um, doomsday plot twist. America Chavez searching her mom. Searching for her mom in all the universes causes the incursion. Steve is just collateral damage. They've tried to link it. as we read the uh Doom is upset that Steve got to live his life happily that the that X-Men somewhat somehow maybe did that Reed got to be with Sue even though that wasn't like an incursion or anything that was just regular so I don't know why he's mad um I guess he's just jealous Mark Ruffalo Bruce will get gleoned in prison oh no yeah I mean he is in prison right canonically I wonder if they'll deal with that >> I guess so yeah Or are we just not going to see him again, do you think? >> I have no idea. >> Cuz he wasn't mentioned. >> The [ __ ] Hulk, man. >> Oh well. >> Um, regarding backseater, too many people take civility for granted. It is more fragile than you might think. Being a public figure can become perilous. Um, I think, you know, people are broadly civil when they're in person. It's the internet that gives them like the the all bark no bite sort of perspective a lot of the time. But no, I mean public being a public figure is perilous at times, especially in these day and age with uh people getting a bit more aggressive with different things. Sure. Unfortunate. Jane Foster coming back from Valhalla and her cancer starts working again. I have polyythemia vera. My blood is syrup. I'm in tremendous pain. I'm in tremendous pain. Oh, but she had real cancer though. >> You guys remember uh Love and Thunder, big fans. >> The wonderful lady. >> Uh Yolena is the key to everything. She will be. She's going to be why they survive that first bout. But I mean, it'll mean nothing ultimately cuz Battle World is going to happen. So, but it's why she is there, I think. I guess uh why BS likes Star Wars. Obacity to li Star Wars. He doesn't understand who he is in relation to other people. Many don't and need to be told from other people. Social life important. You think he likes Star Wars because it helps him understand his place in the world is is kind of what you're saying. Maybe. I don't know. >> And he takes inspiration from who? Pal. >> Probably Darth Vader. Yeah. Something like that. >> I don't know. One of them. If Marvel's course correcting, why go out of their way to pick the dumbest option every time? mastering the worst story choices. Laugh my [ __ ] ass off. I don't know. There are some people who think this is to be clear, I got some of this from Twitter, right? And there were comments underneath it from people saying how good it sounded. >> Oh, >> that was like the that was the broad reception. There was few people saying like this sounded bad. A lot of people saying like, "Holy [ __ ] this is hype." And it's like um okay, definitely not something I expected. Yes, boys. Happy eighth great show. Why, thank you. Thanks for the laughs, boys. Keep it up. We shall do our very best. Our very daist. He looked uh he actually looks like they propped him up from his deathbed. Oh, we could be talking about Oh, Ian Mckllen probably. Unfortunately, it could be Patrick Stewart, though. >> He does. Yeah, well, yeah, they both do. But Mckllen looks particularly ancient. >> Yes. Uh, answer me, drinker. Did Answer me, drinker, did you do this? >> Drinker made the decision. He wiped out Disney Star Wars. You should invent front seater to counter backseater. Well, that would be an intense character caricature character. I don't know what they would what their thing would be, though. What makes them the front seater exactly? Maybe they're really friendly. Can't tell between this and the AI trailers. No, that's um and there is reason for that beyond just trying to insult the work is like a lot of AI would have been trained off a lot of the most popular movies ever and this looks like a lot of past Marvel movies at least in the you know modern era. So that's why it probably reminds you of stuff like that. A lot of studios claim they don't use AI, but I bet their tools have AI built in or subtly use AI to improve their tools. To be clear, there are forms of AI that have been used forever. um like simulation stuff that's really cool and useful, >> but the stuff you're talking like like with you know the the revelations on the art book with Spider-Man or whatever have you, they're learning quickly that they can't be uh like straightforward about that yet. One day they probably can. It is a matter of time. It reminds me of a lot of the stuff to do with gaming where it's just like, okay, we can't be as honest about that yet, but you know, as long as it becomes normal eventually we can. Um, and so with the AI concept art, it was I just thought it was really weird that Supergirl and Spider-Man both were shown to be that at the same sort of time. It's just like, was there some kind of concerted effort here to to test the waters on what people would react with on this one? I don't know. But, um, yeah, as as we pointed out, like that's definitely happening in pretty much all major productions right now. Um, but >> causes trouble as well. I mean it's not not trouble just from the audience perspective but from a studio perspective because remember when co when Microsoft pushed the latest round of co-pilot we had to be we had to I can't remember exactly what the process was but we had to be doubly careful basically with everything we were doing for Judas cuz it uses a lot of Microsoft like stuff for admin and we use teams and everything but co-pilot can use training data from anything unless you are very careful and turn off you come to special relationships with the company that runs it to say no we're not going to use this for anything else. So in the background it causes trouble but then in in the background it can also be really useful. It's quite useful as an aid for querying existing assets and scripts for example as opposed to you know pouring through what might be thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of uncolated stuff. You can dump all of that into one uh story gem on Gemini for example and then you can query very precise things like how many times does this word appear over the course of the entire game that you use. Like anything that's to my mind is assisting you to make creative decisions is a boon and a help and I'm absolutely fine with it. The problem with the art book stuff is that it opens the question of AI being used to make creative decisions which is dodgy and very rarely effective. I think like anybody's ever tried making anything creative or allow telling AI to make anything creative. It has no editor's eye. It has no vision. It has no imagination. It doesn't have a soul. It doesn't understand art what art is. So, it's always just a terrible bad idea to use it in that way. It's getting more convincing, but I probably will never completely convince. Whereas it with that case, because it was was it like every few pages of the Supergirl art book, most of it was human drawn, but then sometimes there'd just be an obvious AI generated one that was chucked in there as well. >> Uh Supergirl was just concept art that was behind the scenes. Like they they generated what would Jason Mamoa look like as Lobo. That's what they did. >> Spider-Man, I think, was worse where Yeah. they put it into an art book and charged for it and it's like oh that's >> yeah that's different >> cuz the funny thing with Lobo is that Lobo is the best looking thing in the Supergirl movie. So, like AI had a role in creating the only decent looking character in the thing, ironically. But then with the art book, it's like most of it was probably human drawn, but then it opens the question of how much of it was and how much of it wasn't. And >> yeah, >> because there's this climate of fear at the moment where they all don't want to admit to using it, but they are all using it. But then they won't admit what isn't isn't being used because they think, not without reason, that lots of people are a little bit silly on the subject and can't tolerate any usage in any capacity ever. Um, so is they're almost making themselves a more difficult job because they're having to lie to cover up something, but the lie is really obvious and so people think, "Well, you're a lying bunch of bastards then, so I'm not going to trust anything you do." >> Well, and funnily enough, as with uh a lot of things like Crunch we saw this with before, but if it's a project people like enough, they'll excuse it. So, you know, with Supergirl, it was a catastrophe. It was the worst thing ever. Can't believe they've done this. >> With Spider-Man, they were like, "Well, >> you know, it's concept art. That's okay." Okay. Or it's like uh you know using it for ideas and all. It's like oh that's weird. These arguments have just popped up that didn't exist at all for Supergirl. And it's like yeah but we don't like Supergirl. It's like >> that will be the way it goes. It's the same with 60 fps, 30 fps for Grand Theft Auto. It's like oh no one would ever in their mind play 30 fps except that GTA is using 30 so now it's fine again. It's that's what will ultimately determine this. For all people say they're going to take a firm moral stance on the meaning of humanness in art. That won't be it. It'll just be another variant of do I like product? If so, I'll have it. That's fine. And I'm fine with that. But I just think people should be honest that that's how they think. >> Oh yeah. That's that's the thing that really pisses me off is the amount of back and forth on the Spider-Man one. They kept trying to tell you it's not AI, it's not AI, it's not. It's like it's it's [ __ ] obviously AI at multiple stages. And the best they've got for it's not is just someone saying like don't don't think as far as I'm aware. No. It's like, oh, that's quite the strong statement to make, Mr. Definitely not AI in the in the book. I don't know. It's like, yeah, you're right. Like the honesty is going to have to get used to that pretty quickly, but we should probably realize pretty quickly that is not what's going to happen. They not historically known to want to tell the truth on anything. So, welcome to BU Afterdock. Oh my. What's uh why are they saying that? >> I don't we talking about something? Well, it didn't really work out that way. The idea was for a little while on basic we did the main show on my channel and then we did another hour or two on cynics where it was like no topics and Reaper would be more Reaper but the problem is Reaper is always Reaper and so the main channel the main stream just became that anyway and then nobody has time for an extra 2 hours these days so we stopped doing it but I don't remember what we were doing at this time that would like we weren't talking about weird rape stuff so >> we might have you never know it >> uh I bet they're all [ __ ] Gas monsters. Oh, we might have been talking about Star Wars for a brief moment there. Where's the Where's the EAP memes, man? We did get to some EAP memes on part three. Mr. Oreo versus Mutil stream when trial by combat. You want You want Nick Oreo and Metal Commander to fight on maybe some kind of combat game that is is they both play as Gollum? That could be entertaining. Mr. Shart will return in Avengers Doomsday. Dude, that would be great. But there's no way they bring in Mr. Shot. He's just he's too too iconic. He's as likely to return as Zemo. Um, it's a show about AI. Might as well make it with AI. H, this could be about Vision Quest, then. >> Yes. >> How many pieces of media must we endure that have the main character rediscover themselves? Uh, it's like reliable as a spine for a story and and it gets you get the excuse of like I know exactly where I'm going by the end of it. So, you know, I mean, I don't want to rule out the vision quest could have stuff in it that's worthwhile. I just, you know, it's kind of hard to win back the audience at this point, I'd say. Um, you've hit the goal. You've earned another goal. I mean, we were not going to put up another one for Theo having to play Mixtape, for example. He's got he's got to just do Gollum. You can do that. I fear this will be a nonsense show, rags. They're all [ __ ] nonsense show rags. Happy anniversary. Also, hi rags. Yeah. What is the least nonsense show from Marvel? >> Was it W division? >> Maybe, but I mean that was hyper nonsense towards the end. >> Well, they're all nonsense. >> Was really boring as opposed to nons. Well, it became nonsense. They all become nonsense at the end. That's the problem. But for the most well >> well >> Native American witch magic that cures Kingpin of his trauma. That's kind of [ __ ] actually. No, never mind. Probably one division. >> Um I was about to say maybe Hawkeye, but I mean [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about that. >> Sty will lose the great supperat war. Joey will lose the supperat war. My god. So it begins. Why are those VHS's there? It's to appear more more like authentically uh familiar with the This is the Elizabeth Olsson clip where she talked about how they had no idea what they were doing. She had some VHS's. It's it's it's like it's like a cool reference to an older time that makes you feel safe and secure and comfy. Also, hi Stye. Now, back to the war path. Hi, Joey. I will win this war. Stye, let's go do LSD. Oh, LSD is little win-win. So, the supper cat dwar. Okay, that that's interesting. >> The do LSD thing is a small meme if you listen to the Dune part three trailer and there's a chant in it and it sounds exactly like they're saying do LSD LSD LSD. >> Well, that would make sense. Just spice, you know. Is this Yeah. Okay, that was probably deliberate. I'm sure games we can talk candidly now. I can win the supperat war candidly now. Oh, platoon, can you very slowly whisper deep substrate foliated calite should help me sleep. >> Deep substrate foliated calite. >> That's the one >> that fully came through. It was like 80%. I think that's probably enough to help them sleep. >> Uh, you may take my life, but you will never take my final supper cat. Oh my. If the plane lands, you live. If you were in that theater while Captain Falcon was playing, you die. Oh, horrifying. A shilling for Marvel manufactured hype. Gan Gray stands are somehow worse than wander stands. Yes, I think that is the conclusion. Unfortunately, didn't see any bodies in the 9/11 documentary. Oh jeez. Well, I guess nothing bad happened. Mhola, what's the song of the day? H I feel like I get asked this more than you guys and it gives me a chance to find out what you guys are listening to, but um >> Wait, say that again. Sorry. >> Well, they're asking me the song of the day. Remember, we get song of the day every once in a while. So, >> Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. >> What am I going to pick? What have I been listening to recently? Do you remember um I want to say season two of Rick and Morty, the song when he comes back from the whole thing with uh why am I forgetting her name? The lady that's like loads of people like almost like the B. >> Oh, Harmony, >> I think. So, >> Unity, that's it. >> Unity. Yeah. >> Uh when he like commits to not >> when he nearly kills himself. >> Yeah. The song that plays there. I was listening to that the other day cuz I kind of like it. >> It's Chaos. Chaos and I can't remember the name of the song. I like that song. It's good. >> Oh, there you go. That's what I was listening to. Go listen to that. Um, happy 8th anniversary. I look forward to this being read in 2028. Haha, it's 2026, baby. Regardless of how long it takes. I really appreciate that you do read all super chats. Thank you for eight amazing years of eapping and we will continue to do so. Um, you know, something because we mentioned it was something from the outside. I always wanted to make sure we do it either this way or, you know, at first we're doing it live, but then it actually got to be a problem of every stream being 12 hours, which I have said we're not even necessarily going to completely continue doing 24-hour streams and u it isn't just like some people like, you're not even old between the three of us or whatever. It's like, yeah, it's still just like, you know, there's there's other ways we could probably get around it, but we'll probably do it for year nine. probably do it for year 10, but it might be the end of it with year 10 and we'll find a different format. Um something that, you know, still provides plenty of bonus [ __ ] But uh the the the most important thing is making sure that um everybody gets what they're looking for and also that we don't um end up dying. I because I'm not a huge fan of staying up for like what ends up being this time around. It was nearly 29 hours before I went to sleep, which isn't >> Yeah, that's extra time afterward, you know. And it's like, well, you can do that. It's like, I can, but I don't really want to be doing it. Um, I would prefer not to do it. And so, if we can find a way to make that work, but simultaneously making sure you're you're all still very much entertained, then, uh, we'll make sure to have it happen, you know, and getting super chats and providing semi-regular different formats of entertainment and covering all of the bigger things that people have interest in, but stories, you know, I think we can nail it. We're almost there in terms of catching up. Wander stands. Oh, wait. Uh, that was a different person saying, "Wonder stands are worse than Lindsay Clancy stands." And Lindsay Clansancy stands worse than backseat stands. >> Either of you know who Lindsay Clansancy is. Her children. >> Yeah, that's the one. I don't really know anything about the um >> I don't know anything about the actual case itself. All I hear is about the >> the postpartum thing >> conversation surrounding it. Well, I don't even know. That's what I mean. Like I literally don't know anything other than it's kind of almost creating this big like gender divide. >> Yeah. I I've never heard of the original story. I've only heard people reacting to it. >> Yeah, that's what I mean. Like I I have no idea really at all about uh about it. I It's I've only heard essentially people's commentary on the reaction to it, not not the actual case itself. Um, does Indie play Lord of the Ring on her Xbox One? And is Disparu high? >> He might be. I don't I don't know if he does get high or not. I haven't asked him. But um >> has played Lord of Ring on Xbox One. >> Yeah, she see she's a proper gamer. She would have played Lord of Ring Golem. She wouldn't have missed that one. >> If she if she is, then yes. You know, knowing knowing that there's two versions of Modern Warfare 2, that's one thing, you know, but whether or not you play Lord of Ring Golem specifically on Xbox One, >> I think. Yeah, if you've played Lord of Ring Golem on Xbox One, you're a definite gamer. That's an easy like, okay, yeah, gotcha. >> You can be like, I look at how high my game is. What was the thing? It was like the E3 for like Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was it was one of the E3s back in like 2010 or 2011 for Connect where you had like these two ladies like my gamer score is way higher than yours. Like dude, [laughter] >> I have such a high gamer score compared to you. Horrible. Back when they tried to have people talk like authentic human beings in these uh these E3 demos. Like, do you remember the ones for The Division where it was like, "Hey, it's just like a couple of friends playing the game and they talk in a, you know, sort of a muted tone close to the microphone and monotone. That shows that they're real people." >> Yes. Very annoying. Um, again, casting doesn't mean [ __ ] if the writing sucks. True. Um, but I'm all for speculating on the ability of the actor to to perform the character as well and like how suitable they are. It's all good. It's just that ultimately it sucks cuz they're still with Marvel. Um, and you know, sometimes you can be surprised in terms of like, oh wow, they did re, you know, like [ __ ] Christian Bale's gore. That was insane. Like, >> oh my god. Like, he's an actual, he's like one of the best working actors ever. He puts in a [ __ ] 11 out of 10 performance in one of the stupidest movies ever made. And he did it because his kid wanted him to. >> Waste of a actor and a character. >> That's utterly painful. You had him right there. He was going to do anything you wanted and he put maximum effort. He just like, nah, don't worry about it. We'll just give you some goofy [ __ ] Uh, give us stir gimmling. No. Give me Terriers. Oh god, no. Yes, Gollum won the [ __ ] argument. Gollum, give me Lord of Rig on PS4 and Xbox One. But Nick, we heard you love Gollum. Gollum won the argument. Gollum won the supperat war. Joey won the supperat war. No, he didn't. Oh, but he did. Sty surrendered like a Frenchman. Sty won the Supercat War. Cat and Joey surrendered. Liar. You know these guys. There's a lot going on there. There's a lot of lore. I hope they're gonna make it. You know, >> search your feelings. You know it to be true. I saw the first hour, slept, and you're still here. That's not true. That's impossible. Oh my god, these people are talking like they actually made a game. Oh yeah, this so this was the uh behind the scenes for Gollum if you remember. I mean, I'm sure they I'm sure they tried [clears throat] at some point in theory. >> Wasn't there like five different interview box pops where they all said, "Oh, the thing with Gollum is he has two personalities." >> Yes. >> That's like the only thing they could say. >> They were told to say it by somebody probably cuz they have nothing else to say. It was crazy. Uh, I got PS1 RE2 up on my 2009 Sony Vio, but the sound isn't working. I keep dying at the beginning, so I'll just play it on PC after I go back home. Oh well. Hopefully you have some fun. Of course. How is your editor so technologically deficient that he can't select the correct microphone input? He did have it right. He was It's worse than that. It's so [laughter] much worse than that. >> It turns out I think this was between part one and part two, right? Uh that he fixed it. >> Yes. It was it was something that was suggested potentially being a problem. When I was listening to it, I I don't know if I said it, but what I thought was that sounds too high quality to be a webcam, but it also and I think for you said this sounds like a kind of far away. >> Yeah. So, what does that mean? >> But he said he was talking into the microphone. It's like hm hump harim. What could it be? Could it be >> that it might not be facing the right way? >> Nah, no. Uh, yes. It turned out he had it facing the wrong way. >> You know, some people are deficient in some ways and other ways they're not. So, don't worry about it. Also, to be fair, I think he he he does pretty damn well considering he the first super Jesus super cut he made [laughter] um was on a mobile phone. He edited it all on a mobile phone, which to be clear, I can't even speak to whether or not that is. I I have I I have no idea what that even looks like. I remember seeing someone talk about it on TikTok or whatever. They do all their editing on a mobile and I was like, "Dude, I just I just can't imagine it. I I I I feel like I'd want to kill myself. I just I know I know PC editing for videos and I I just do it on a mobile. I don't know about that." But uh you got some talent if you can do it. In a time when good entertainment is increasingly rare, I highly recommend The Amazing Digital Circus. An entire 9 episode show only 5 hours long and it's as good as anything from Golden Age Pixar. Ooh, >> that was uh that that's a big claim. Listen, I'm just going to say, okay, >> it is >> golden age Pixar is a is a titan. >> I'm You made me inherently skeptical now by saying that. [laughter] >> Go to bed. See y'all in the morning. I'm sure we were still there. You don't get it. Gollum follows quantum mechanics instead of classical. That's why he doesn't go where you want him to. That's his wave nature. Oh, that's kind of cool that they did that. That's very good. Wizard is off. But how do you turn wizard on? You got you got to you got to press it. It's in the menu. This is we all, you know, everyone does it eventually. The wizard off is better. Hi Rags. Hi Mlin. Hi Fringy. Hi platoon. Hi guests. Congratulations on 400. On the way to the big 500. Yahoo. >> Yeah. I mean we got to make a pit stop at 450 first though >> for 500. >> Yep. >> That will be episode 1,000. No. Wait. Yes. No. Five. Sorry. >> Yes. 500 will be year 10. >> Yes. >> 1,000 will be year 20. >> You'll be me crazy. Uh, do you think it stung extra hard when another indie studio actually got anticircus and then swept the game awards? Oh, for expedition 33. Um, I assume there was never a chance of getting him for Lord of Ring Gollum. Like with the the production that it was, I don't know. Just got recommended the top five gratuitous boobs in gaming. Wacky Gamer Vlist List 4 by Vsource under this. It's 2 minutes long and 16 years old. Do I click? I mean, if you want to see the top five gratuitous boobs in gaming, go for it. Joe Danger, more like Joe. Suffer. Suffer. Joe. Eight your long years of Ephab. Though foretold by the spider oracles and evidenced within the musings of Brian, I never truly expected this day to come. Happy anniversary, everyone. Raise a glass of rhino milk for this momentous episode. Also high rags. High rags. And thank you very much. Beasts precious. What does it mean? etc. WILL FIND IT. [laughter] NOW QUICK DOWN ON THE CARDS. >> What does take pride in your work mean precious? Uh who can say? >> Uh you're a product of your beast's precious. What does what does polyythemia vera mean? Precious. [laughter] will feed us to some beast. But we told him Smeaggel will find it. We swears. Make Nick play Dark Souls 2 next. Oh, [laughter] that one's crazy as a [ __ ] suggestion. That uh I would be very amused by him having to play that. This game is a [ __ ] masterpiece. Of course, one must imagine Nicholas happy. [laughter] Yes, a sisophian task, you might say. Uh, what does beast mean? Precious. What does it mean? They'll feed us to some beast, but we told him we'll find it. We swear. I say there's going to be more of this in the super chats than they might have been in the game. Dark side Phil could never be as patient as Nick on this. Also, at least Nick doesn't beg for money. I mean, DSP's kind of just see you'd think he would have learned at this point how better to sort of generate revenue than just threatening his audience with not playing any more games. kind of weird. You know, you'd think that his job is to provide the reason to watch him in the first place, not to demand the audience provide him the reason to do anything at all. Um, but hey, he's DSP, so I'm laughing so hard at Lord of Ring, I might die. That's that's pretty much just me right there. But what are the beasts for? Bet it's Swans good. Stacy Quartford. Okay, the the memes are memes are melting into each other now. play this on PS4 and Xbox One. May maybe some people can so in future everyone has their breaking point. Well, Nick apparently completed it, so he made it past that breaking point. I'm curious if Az will have a breaking point if he's forced to play it for a second time. How do you guys think it goes on a second play through Golem? Do you think you have less patience or do you have enough familiarity that you can get through it? You know, >> I think you have less patience, I think, cuz you know the game's tricks, but you'll still fall victim to them. >> Yeah. Uh, Batoman is going to be dull compared to this gold. How dare you? Batoman still has her tricks up her sleeve. We got to do this one. That's a lot of swans for a person of vault. Or is it? I don't know. Wine. I mean, you if you're going to do it with every form of video we cover, you're going to be here for a long time. We can mod candidly now. Ooh, Stacy Rockford is the bird in the cage. Yes, we did uh we did show that actually the the mod trailer. Now that Joe Danger's secret project is revealed, you all must play the mod when it's done while eating a pineapple pizza. You asked too much. You you simply ask too much of us. We cannot possibly Can we get a tonal to come back once again? Um I I don't I don't even know what he's up to these days. I'm sure. Living a wonderful life with all kinds of wacky uh inventions when it comes to food. The man knew how to cook. We want tipples. I mean, you got yourself a trailer. All right. You haven't quite gotten tipples yet. Rags, no pausing. Oh, I will talk to your manager. Wait, Boogie looks like he's been on Ompic. He's thinner. He has been um not like a huge amount since you would have last seen him. Uh but he he does need Ompic. And the thing for him, I mentioned this I think the year before, but like if you lose all the weight on OMIC, you need to be on it permanently, right? It depends. So if you make the lifestyle changes alongside it, then you don't need to be on it permanently. The problem is when people think, wait, well, I can just use that instead of making the lifestyle style changes. It's pretty good for getting people started, >> especially if you're like Boogie and I assume has no self-esteem whatsoever. Uh, but you do actually also have to learn how to do exercise. Otherwise, as soon as you go off it, you start getting the appetite come back. Well, um I know that he's complained at different times been not be able to afford Osic, so he's probably intermittently on it. And I know that people have pointed out he's been doing like a celebration thing of how much weight he's lost over the past however many years, but that he's actually gained since four years ago. >> So, net positive, >> man. Boogie can cut a hell of a promo. What is Kee doing? LCA wrestling. I mean, I don't know what it makes you think he's going to be doing in that compilation, but yeah. I mean, if he was a wrestler, I could see it generating some hype. Go versus Joe Danger is greater than Gambit versus Shongi investment. Well, yeah. No one cares about Gambit versus Shongi. It's a joke, man. It's like, oh boy, who's going to not win that fight? Final suffer ma. Love the thumbnail. Always better than the last. Oh, well, I mean, they're all done by Omega Ridley. the anniversary ones and they are gorgeous. And then the final for part one, it simply says me leading us to part two with a cheers. And this is so ominous. I love it. I think what do we even start with part two? It was Spider-Man, wouldn't it? >> Well, it would have been a meme, right? It would have been the Batman v Superman thing, wasn't it? >> Oh, yeah. You're right. The the video intros. True. Correct. >> That was a good one. >> It was. Well, yeah, it would have been there was two videos, right? Or am I misremembering? Oh, yeah. I put the Boogie trailer on that as well. So, yeah. [laughter] Justice for Jacob. New Boogie video is the only thing that brings me joy in life. Oh, I want to see what would happen if Keem actually fired Boogie. If he got his lifetime lifeline taken away, I think you'd get the most genuine version of Boogie. Yeah, probably. >> That's why I want it to happen. The thing is Keemstar's got a very particular way of wanting him tortured and controlled. He want he's he's got him like a Pokemon essentially. Um and that's what he prefers for now. But >> I hope he gets bored and so then destroys that financial lifeline. So then he has to go back to making YouTube videos >> which I presume is inevitable. Like why would you stick with that the whole all of that >> eventually boring, right? Especially all the hassle that comes with it too. >> Yeah. Finally, the boogie section. and my only joy in life. Wait, no more boogie. I hate breathing. Hate being alive. Hi, Rags. Hi, Ma. Hi, Hi Fring. Hi, platoon. Hello. Uh, Fring's wrong about Australian accents. There's a distinction between coastal and inland. There are also regional differences for Perth, Darwin, Adelaide, and especially Queensland. Happy 400. Um, I mean you can say that, but like when when you talk about the differences here compared to the differences elsewhere, certainly compared to like Britain, there's like no contest. Like compared to Britain, basically everybody in Australia sounds the same. Um, and even compared to America, America's got like very distinctive like the Boston accent. There's like various permutations of the southern sort of accent depending on the region. um there's a difference between New York versus California cuz because it feels like it's more like for like cuz it's like a new world. I've always assumed that the reason why accents are so different is because people couldn't move as far um when when these accents were developed. So they become almost more like regionally distinct because you can't have people sort of interacting regularly across vast distances whereas Australia is a very new country so everybody broadly sounds the same but like no I would maintain that there's kind of just the one accent really um and then there are there are small permutations and that the permutations more or less are how loose is the accent how loose uh does does a person speak compared to maybe how much do they uh try to pull it back and and sort of um dial it in a little bit more to be more precise. Hence the breakdown of just you can almost break it down by class. There's like the normal accent and then there's the the kind that you would hear people when they're reporting the news on TV which is like your sort of upper class accent and then your just general workingass accent which is probably the one that most people are familiar with. Just a very sort of normal one. I would say that whatever difference there is between like the coast versus inland is uh is is it it's not it's not that noticeable. I wouldn't know. But yeah, you know, accents are a funny thing. Uh, why did Gene try using a Hulk to get into the vault? Paul Giamati's rhino is right there. [laughter] Would have been the better choice. Yes. I thought you Spudman Twitter Nazis like the spamming of the words by Uncle Ben. Or is it bad when it's shown and not told? Uh, oh, you're talking about like high top. What does he think? I don't even know. It was hard to say because he would he was grabbing like he was [ __ ] on No Way Home in the Watts trilogy while simultaneously grabbing loads of parts of it for why Brand New Day works. >> That's what the movie does. >> Well, yeah. >> All of the movies emotional beats is they even play flashbacks to the no to the Watts movies in order to like steal their emotional payoffs. There's nothing this movie does for itself. >> No. And the assessments of it is like, "Oh, this works because" and then just loads of [ __ ] from other movies. Can we revoke High Tops air privileges, please? I do not have that kind of power. Brand New Day pretty much recconed everything and I [ __ ] hate it. Uh yeah, and it's going to get worse for the next one. >> Um >> Oh, yeah. >> Have fun with that. I've looked at some statistics and the average speed limit in New York City is 25 miles per hour. According to some statistics, I found older man 70 hit at 25 mph is 70 to sorry 50 to 75% chance of receiving severe injuries or death. At minimum he has severe injuries. He's dead. It's it doesn't >> I mean yeah like come on it's it's getting hit with a car, you know, like we all understand what that means. You're getting hit with a car. If somebody pushed someone in front of a car, like that's attempted murder regardless of like whatever statistics. I know obviously the point that you're making is that statistically the idea that he walks away without a scratch is basically zero. >> Yeah. >> Jean was trying to kill that guy and the best case scenario is that he doesn't walk away from it because he's in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. >> Um Frankie, do you prefer Woolworths or Kohl's? Uh, I don't have a particular brand loyalty, but I suppose if forced to choose, probably Woolworth's, I guess, but I have no What What are your like two main shopping like grocery chains in Britain? Asda is it? And uh >> Tesco. >> We got Tesco, Waitros, Aldi. >> Little we got we got we got Aldi's around the place, but Worth and Colds that's like the main one. And then you got some other ones. in a few other places like specific ones or the ones that are like smaller, you know, but those are the main two. I have no strong preference either way for those two. Uh, so I have to know, are you a little odd and do neither or you perhaps super based and shop based on convenience and specials? Congrats, guys. >> What What is that like tethered to the same the same question? I mean, I don't know. Doesn't everybody just buy things on special like as as much as they can or [laughter] or are people like, "No, I need to get like cocoa cocoa pops even if like it's like [ __ ] $8 per per uh per um packet." No, I always I'm always looking for sales. I I I am not I I brand loyalty is not particularly beneficial in the majority of instances. You're probably better off just like treating a lot of things as interchangeable. >> Iron Hart is just a joke of a show. Deadpool Wolverine isn't dragging a whole uninvolved series of movies into a clown singularity of Loki, MOM, and Quantum Mania. What do you mean it isn't? >> It absolutely is. It's the reason why I hate it so much. It is uh massively consequential. Like that's the thing. Iron Hart is so easy for me to pretend doesn't exist. Like you I don't think it's gone, right? Like it's just gone. It's out of my mind. But like Deadpool Wolverine >> deals like damage to characters that I actually liked. >> Uh from a world building standpoint is pretty dire. And from a just a general artistry standpoint is um is pretty horrible. That is an ugly looking movie. >> Um, yeah, it is a [clears throat] movie that was made in the wrong way. Um, you know, massively, you know, like that. I'm pretty sure they finished like Principal Photography on that like four months before it was coming out. Um, and they were rewarded for it. So, you shouldn't be surprised if that continues with other things. Like if you want to push for this idea that films should have like time to breathe and to sort of cook um after they've been filmed and it's bad that Deadpool and Wolverine did so well. Um what video essaist tactic to avoid engaging with an argument annoys you the most? Eg. Jim Sterling cherry-picking the silliest comments he can find. I do hate that one of course. Uh there's there's just well I mean high up just ignored the Jean Grey stuff outright. You just didn't deal with it. >> Mhm. >> Which I think is insane honestly. Uh you could have at least pretend >> she's the second most important character in the movie. >> Yeah. Um >> like she is the villain. Bear in mind like these are the same kinds of people who rip into the dawn for sexual harassment and then skip Yolena's actual sexual harassment and then Gan Gray murder hobo like it's absolutely >> insane assault and yeah true um I don't know baffling sometimes the >> that's a tactic that's just >> no willful blindness I guess sistry annoys me quite significantly. It's like when you say Jean Gray murdered loads of people and someone says, "Uh, well, we need a body count to determine that." You can't just assume that people died. Did they die? Probably, but you can't just assume it. That's just being a [ __ ] That's being a sophisticat. And I hate when people do that. >> Yeah, agreed. >> Mhm. I suppose um there's Yeah, cuz cuz in the case of some of these it's like it's who can say whether or not it was because uh because they they didn't realize like what they're doing um versus being deliberate. But in the case of Hightop, I mean that was you didn't talk about you didn't talk about the second most important character in the movie. You just like avoided talking about that character. You did that on purpose. You had to do that on purpose. You talk about Punisher more than you talk about Jean. Talk about the Hulk more than you talk about Jean. >> Yeah. Been watching since episode 7. Found Rags from his Bully Hunter video and found Ma's TLJ reviewing my recommended. Congratulations on 8 years lads. Can't imagine my work days without you. Hi Rags. Well, well, hopefully you remain entertained. Glad to have you. Funny thing with think about that where you know Harvey and the Chief with Sean like tosses and then some some time passes. [laughter] >> It's like hey that's a that's a good idea in real for real. I'm a tosser and I work for you. [laughter] I'm I feel like a tosser with every fiber of my being. You know I'm a tosser inside and out. Uh, I got paid to watch the film and I'm sponsored by Marvel, but my review is completely unbiased. It's pathetic. It is ridiculous. [laughter] >> Oh, what a It's just so funny. While in the the the video pretending to be like sort of this anti-corporate >> Yeah. Oh my god. >> Anyway, you say like this Peter Parker isn't a corporate sellout. He's not a class traitor. >> Yeah. Not like not like hightop like by his own definition. [laughter] Jean Gray should have tried to kill Spidey. Punisher shoots her to save him as she's gone too far. Though the doomsday multiverse [ __ ] she comes back as a good lady because she had Professor X to guide her. You could have you could have actually done this. Like it's a tragic story that he couldn't he couldn't bring her back. She was well gone and because of her tragic life without Professor X basically. And then she does die. Punisher kills it. It sets Punisher and Spider-Man against each other for future stories. But then we see an alternate multiverse. Gan Gray has got Professor X as a contrast. That could have been something. That could have been cool. >> Yeah. But instead, no. >> No. No. She's fine. She's good. We like her. Don't worry about it. Um, criticism of the day. Zenaia is a good actress. She acts good in a lot of films and shows and would even say she has moments in the Spider-Man films. See why what is it? >> Why why you said why are you saying that to us though? >> Yeah, I don't I don't have any issue with her. I don't think she's like great. I don't think she elevates uh the stuff that she is in other than probably the drama is like the main movie that I've seen where I thought that uh she was pretty well cast and she did a really good job. They're in uh Spider-Man and Dune. She's fine. I just don't think that uh like if you switched her out for anyone else, it's a probably solid dice roll that you end up with something either the same or better. >> Um but I don't think she drags any project down. >> No, I mean we say the same or better. I I think it would be hard to roll the dice and get something significantly worse only because she just doesn't really add anything in either of those movies. We've had this conversation. It might have been EAP or open bar as to why somebody who I think we acknowledged can act doesn't do much of that in the biggest movies that she's in. And you know, there's a debate as to whether that's is the character just not being written to emote. Is she known to be a model? Therefore, nobody assumes she can emote. Whatever the reason, she doesn't do much emoting in either film. She does have that patented scowl. It's a meme for a reason. But that's not to say in some lesserk known things with more ambitious writers, she can do better. She obviously can. It's just that she doesn't in the things most people see her in. >> Why are you still talking about things? Spider-Man's coming out. Here's to 8 years. All hail the dawn. Hail indeed. MCU theory. Scarlet Witch, Gan Gray, [ __ ] Williams, Wakanda, Neymar's people will be villains for Doom. Not really, but I'm going to gaslight MCU fans until they realize how evil they all are. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I doubt one of the Latvarian witches is Gan Gray, but I suppose it would make sense. She wouldn't even need to be uh convinced to be evil. It's all good. Uh, happy 400 years of EFAP. Longgoid massives. Praise the chicken. Don Bless. Don Bless. The MCU's problems are meta. Demonizing heroes, sympathizing villains, art imitates life, or vice versa. Blah, blah, blah. Either way, congrats, EAB crew. >> I just think it's written by retards. That's kind of the main problem. But, uh, thank you. >> It's not even humanizing villain. Like, a lot of the problem is that they just don't recognize what villain is. That's the Gan Gray problem. We know what the writers think. She's a bit messed up, but she's not responsible for any deaths. They don't think she's a villain. >> I would also say the audience is in some trouble on that front, too. >> Mhm. >> We've we've seen that with a lot of people are just like, "Nah, she's good." You're like, "Oh." Uh, by the way, Hightop is refusing to mention that the highest selling Spider-Man comic for like two years recently was a comic where he was happy with a family. It's becoming a a kind of bordering on [ __ ] meme now that it's probably gonna have a breaking point of the whole he has to be miserable for it to be good. It's like h but you know if you want to have that standard fine is something that he just [ __ ] breaks from when reviewing uh Brand New Day. Interesting one man say by name. Oh yeah, cuz we were saying does he even know the names of the characters of Wonder? Oh yeah, Wonder Woman's good. [ __ ] off. Right. Yeah. My guard man. Yeah. >> Nobody's buying his name. >> Congrats on eight years and 400 episodes. Thoughts on Mike Flanigan getting signed for the Caval 40k stuff? Can we be hopeful? >> I mean, I just I I have a lot of respect for him as a writer generally. So, you know, go for it. Especially if he wants to expand to something like 40k. It's just not at all what I associate with uh Mike Flanigan. But who knows? Who knows what's going to happen with that? Maybe he'll do an amazing job. I assume that uh you're all very excited by the notion of him being about a 40k. >> Uh I know nothing about 40k. Warhammer is just so far beyond anything I understand about anything. I just have no opinions on it. >> That's kind of how I feel as well. It's like yeah, I mean I I guess but I'm not very invested in that universe. So, >> the most exposure I've had to it is the Warhammer character of the day stuff that we do here where all of the characters look the same. They just have different numbers of skulls to indicate their edge factor, I guess. I don't know. >> Well, like I said, I I'll always check out what he's up to cuz he's pretty reliable. But yeah, I don't know anything about 40k. So, in a way, it's kind of silly for me to say like, is he appropriate for it? Like, I just assume from the stuff I've seen. Um, congrats on 8 years and 400 episodes. Thoughts? Oh, wait. Sorry, I read that one. Uh, they genuinely held the camera when filming. 10 out of 10. I've heard of that. Yeah, they did apparently hold the camera when they were filming it. So, lots to think about. >> As dumb as he is, he's like current MCU writers. Yeah, to an extent. There's clearly a lot that they share with apparently some of the things he talks about. Um, Yolena did the roundt harassment. Yes, you did indeed. How how long do you guys have to do the helicopter before you're dry after a shower? >> Wait, what? [laughter] >> I assumed >> 15 seconds. >> Usually go for a few hours just to make sure. Don't want to don't want to [ __ ] that up, you know. Want to be wet or anything. Oh, you know. Yeah, something like that. I'm sure Frank is somewhere in between. IT top. I didn't like the relationship between Peter and MJ when it worked out. He needed to stalk her and yearn for her for me to like it. Yeah. Again, he talks about how meaningful it is that he he misses all of it while also being like I didn't really like their relationship with the other three movies. It's like um how does that work then? Just I guess cuz it's in this movie. You know which film does person loses memory of their partner but meets and falls in love with them again? Well, Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind. Dude, that film nails the [ __ ] out of it, actually. And is about a lot more than Brand New Day could ever be about. It's okay because Peter is in a government shell, not a corporate shell. Uhhuh. Those two are very different. And what is okay? The thing is, Hightop is a corporate shell. How does it make sense? It's Palantia Parker. Get it right. Peter Palanteer. Palanteer Parker. They're both pretty good. Nothing's definitively implied in the movie, but based on the way the movie characterizes the girls, I'm still pretty suspicious about the whereabouts of their mother. >> They killed her [laughter] >> probably. But I I think if they had killed her that the a lot of people like Hightop would still be sympathetic like, "No, it makes sense." >> Oh, yeah. She was a bad mom, though. She didn't buy them ice cream. >> He had access to three known heroes and tried to mind control them instead of simply asking for help. She is evil. She is Yeah, it's an easy call. A lot of people have trouble with it because um I think they they they think like the movie becomes awful if they don't. So, you've got to defend it. But it's going to age like [ __ ] man. Give it enough time. It will. Hightop's really good at anal cyst because he sounds like he's talking it. He's taking it up the rear whenever he speaks. Happy anniversary, Jed little bit. What HP on the bub bub. Spider-Man is a drama about the meaning of life. A, it sure is. Fun fact, Congress in 1918 made it so you can only earn the Medal of Honor once. So, it's impossible for John Walker to have three. >> That just tells you how he is. They made an exception for him because >> they had to make an exception twice. That's how insanely honorable he was. >> He saw the last two minutes of it and decided that was the whole movie. I don't know. I think it's pretty ob He starts the video with a skit about how much he hates John Watts. You want you ever wonder what the [ __ ] motive behind praising this film is. Also, he's getting uh promotional connections with Marvel related [ __ ] I don't know, man. It's It's all very I'm sure he's just genuine. All of it's very genuine. It's what's constantly pushes us to make every frame a pause. We certainly pause as much as we can, but sometimes maybe we don't even go far enough with the pausing. Halo, Star Wars, and Spider-Man. Why do these feel like personal attacks on my and others childhoods directly? Um, yes. Yes. Baby first FPS. Uh, I mean, you know, I think, uh, Nick said in relation to the Rabverse crashing into the X-Men universe, he was like, "Oh god, look out. It's my childhood [laughter] going to crash." Did I hear a $1,000 bet? Also, Mark, you can't hide from mixtape. Oh, let him let him hide from mixtape. That's not nice, you know. Damn, not even nine years. Congrats anyway, I guess. Hey, Mhler. Yo, Fringy, what's up, Platoon? Hi, Rags. >> Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. >> Yo, >> never trust a Romulan. Damn, some racism going on here. If Hightop was passionate about making video games, what franchise do you think he would make videos on? And just to make it harder, it can't be superhero IP. Um, what is uh probably Dark Souls or something? He's he's kind of that equivalent when he does Spider-Man [ __ ] It's just uh in the video essay arena, Dark Souls at one point was like the thing you're supposed to talk about. So, in the superhero one, you could say Spider-Man is, but also Batman, but also he does Batman. So, yeah. A shilling for conformity gate update. Ah, yes. Checking in on conformity gate lady. It tops praise for brand new day seems to be the exact same as a Noah. It dives into Peter's personal life creating an inner conflict and that's good enough. Yeah, even though all that's like basic Spider-Man [ __ ] You got to go further than that. For the brood, my fellow Ewoks and all newcomers. Welcome, welcome, welcome indeed. She is the embodiment of what men don't want. I assume this is about conformity gate lady. Can't believe she's single. I Yeah, it's crazy. I saw people ask on X why Elena didn't invite Peter to be part of the new Avengers since we know he was talking down taking down villains for a long time in New York. Uh, we got nothing on their relationship. Even though Hightop would have you believe they connected over the fact that they'd lost so much and they were both griefstricken. It's like that never happened. None of that ever. It was not in the movie. But, uh, no, we didn't get anything. What would she offer him and what would he say? I don't know. It's hard to say, especially if it gives you tools to be better at being Spider-Man. Don't know. Uh, another great year of EFAB. Started watching many years ago. So, here's to many great great many more. During the time DC movies died, reborn, and died again. Yeah. Yeah. We watched it die with obviously with Snder and then Rebirth with James Gunn and dying slowly again. Not quite dead yet. It's getting there though. The only person who could possibly do anything to Stranger Things lady family is her. Was she giving us a warning? I don't know what happened to her, but she was saying like it got to be hell on earth for her talking about Stranger Things to the point where she can't anymore. I'm assuming it's because she actually developed I mean, I hate to put it this way, but unfortunately a ravenous fan base that probably wanted more answers than she could provide. Um, I'm assuming cuz it's not going to be people who hated Stranger Things. They're all gone, I assume. Anyway, you know, certainly people like us. We were just like, well, we're out. Uh, Duma's been playing games for 34 years now, naturally. Of course. Paused my 16th Boogie Dock EAP rewatch to be here. Was this the guy who said he'd paused his 15th? He watched all of it on a high speed while the anniversary was going. Keep you company. Uh, oobley thinks he's dumb, so Hulk will speak. Insomniac is going to get mogged by a tie-in video game to X-Men Origins Wolverine, and that is very funny. Probably uh, by the looks of things. Uh, but the thing is, I don't think the X-Men Origins Wolverine game had like a terrible reputation. It was always kind of middle of the line. I found it really fun when it came out. I replayed it, I want to say like a year ago, and had some fun again. Um, it's all right. and and its all rightness because of the day and age it came out is probably going to make it destroy um the new one a long bring the fring scritches for the doggo endless sigs for platoon I don't want endless sigs oh my god what are you what are you [ __ ] what about the whole lung cancer thing got to get you can't be doing that um thanks for all the entertainment this year and thanks for creating a fun community can't believe it's been eight years I know it's [ __ ] crazy started part one went on an adventure joined anniversary high club and hopped in an Uber home to open part two. Happy 400. Wolverine is yuck. I'm inclined to agree with you. We be honest about Spider-Man PS4. It's a poorly paced game. A third of it can be thrown out for the better. And since so much time is wasted on MJ and Miles, we barely get any time with the villains. Bringy, what's your opinion on that? Haven't >> played it in since it came out, which was not recently, so I can't say. H sorry. >> Well, I mean it's got a pretty its reputation survived, right? Spider-Man 2 is the winter [ __ ] >> Spider-Man 2's went to [ __ ] but maybe people are reappraising the first one because of that. Um given that from a gameplay standpoint, the two of them are pretty similar. Not exactly the same, but similar. There is seemingly a conversation being had about just how much it got away with because of the swinging, which I think I think think is kind of interesting. >> Well, and also just that it was kind of the first of its kind uh for a while other than Batman Arkham. It was kind of like, you know, something that's become a lot more prominent now, which is like relatively big budget um nonmov licensed tie-in uh superhero games. And so maybe because of that now it's it's it's uh it's people are thinking a little bit like you know because it was it was a big budget essentially it was you know kind of like what Arkham was for Batman. >> The thing is uh I think with time the Arkham games are only getting more respected the Spider-Man ones. >> Well that makes sense though because the Arkham games are from the before times when things were better. I mean, to be clear, I [ __ ] love Arkham Asylum City. It's so good. >> Yeah. Well, and also, I mean, the influence of, you know, it's because Arkham even predates, you know, the Spider-Man game has Arkham DNA in it. A lot of games do. >> Uh, and I'm not talking about Mr. Negative or Dark Ark. We get Scorpion, Rhino, Vulture, and Electro between two missions, and they're paired together and placed dead set in the middle of the game. [ __ ] lame, dude. It sounds like Brand New Day [laughter] with the spab of villains. you don't get to do anything with. Um, is it like Kattos's rage mechanic? I assume this is in reference to Wolverine, and we don't know yet. We'll find out. Hey, Muller and gang. Longtime watcher, first time catching this live. Congrats on 400. You're all good, rat. I pray the future sings spiders bless you with another 400 episodes, perhaps even more. Did anyone play the game between X2 and Lost Stand? You played a Wolverine, Iceman, and Nightcrawler. No, I didn't play that. Nor did I play uh Ultimate Alliance 2. I always meant to play it, but I might have played it for a bit, but I never played it properly. Lots of X-Men related stuff. Uh I just realized this was one of the mixtape shills that got one of the expensive influencer packs. I wonder what it's like to sell all your values. You just don't think about it. As in like this is not me selling out my values. They are paying me because they value my input. I'm being paid because of how good my stuff is, not because they just want me to lie because I'm not gonna I'm gonna talk honestly about how good this is because it is great. And then they uh I think they only realize far too late. Here's to 400 wonderful eaps. Well, thank you. The gene great gameplay is just a garbage version of Control. If it's even in the game, it'll be better than what we saw, but it doesn't look great as it stands. Um, instead of that reticle the size of a dinner plate. Hm. Wonder why it was so big now. Oh, this this feels like it was a comment for the previous EFAB, the 99. That's the dinner plate comment was from Gman Lives, right? >> Hello. Yeah. >> Um, you believe your work is worth other people's time to the point where you ask strangers to engage with it and then you declare the negative feedback as cruel fate given by hateful people. Entitlement beyond arrogance. So, this was, if you remember, the video talking about um people being mean to developers online. And then it said, "The only time we've managed to see a good response was from Sony insulting people like Grums," which is the weirdest sort of like, "Oh, that's the solution. Companies picking on people, >> your employees, fighting people with >> Happy anniversary, fellas. I found Wolf after TLJ when I found uh all I found was praise on YouTube. I left that theater furious. No criticism, just endless praise for a garbage product. Wolf tore it to pieces and I was hooked since. Thank you. Yeah, it was a big uh big moment. We talk about this when you'll see the the TLJ portion of ET Movies 100, but that a lot of things changed with that movie and one of them was a lot of people lost faith in sort of a set of YouTube reviewers because everyone glazed the [ __ ] out of that film and it was like, wait, what? like it was already set to be that and then um loads of other videos that were like actually I thought it was complete [ __ ] started to like you know go crazy on YouTube including my own um because a lot of the audience felt that way and that a lot of the sort of mainstay critics were not covering that experience they were just like no it was good and that's that um shook it shook the faith of people in in institutional reviews or something for your information that wasn't me on Gollum Last night I hopped off during Doomsday leaks and had to catch up. First time I've slept through an anniversary. So this is about uh looking at the players on Gollum and assuming it was Ray Hitler because he's trying to get the speedrun record and he say it was not him. >> So you know >> plenty of people are playing Gollum is is the point I'm sure. >> Yo, did the best Soulsorn boss just get mentioned? Shout out to Michelash. No. I wonder why people are complaining about similar things with every new game. Could it be that there is a problem in the AAA gaming space? No, it's the children who are wrong. Yeah, I know, right? It's like, oh, everyone's decided they're going to pick on Wolverine now. It's like I think people were just picking on Wolverine because they don't [ __ ] like what they're seeing. As crazy as that sounds. >> Yep. Crispy Critters. Eight years. My balls aren't locked. Yours are. A how how how kind. Congratulations, gentlemen. If you could make one wish, but it happened to everyone in the world too, what would it be? Love you, Fringalle. H, this is a complicated one because in lots of ways you could destroy the whole world even with nice stuff. What if it was like I wish everyone had the capacity to overcome their flaws and and believed in themsel you gave like a so >> yeah but the problem is well one one person's flaw might be seen as a virtue by someone else. So who according to who >> themselves I guess and even if that has negative consequences that's still probably solid enough >> without causing major ripples that destroy the whole universe or something. I don't know. I'm not sure. >> You got any suggestions, platoon? >> Mhm. >> Can you repeat the question? >> If you could wish that that you got something that everyone got, so like I wish, you know, for a milkshake and then everyone gets it, what would be the thing that you choose? Obviously, it can go abstract. It doesn't have to be a milkshake. Hm. Something I got that everyone also gets. How do I win this situation? >> Like I'm trying I trying to think how I can game it so I win. It's hard. >> Well, because if everyone gets the thing, then it's no good. What if it's like everyone gets a full proper and adulatory appreciation of me? >> Ah, so you you already said on that front, but everyone else gets it too. Nailed it. >> Um, >> I don't know. I don't know. >> Maybe something to think about. I don't know. >> Google recently removed access to Lord of the Rings game. people purchased the players don't own their games phase has begun and I think it's more than begun. >> I mean I mean thing is you never did really. Um it's just that everybody's now realizing it a bit more acutely with all of the consequences that come with it. >> The amendment is you never did but there were plenty of ways to uh subvert that reality. Now there aren't. >> Sure. Yeah. Mhm. >> Uh happy eight years. Crazy how I only found Ephab through the Right Opinions video on rags and found myself agreeing with Rags. I checked out his channel and found Ephab through him. That video was insane. And that was before the Right Opinions channel kicked off. So he was happy to help Quinton Reviews make a video about how like wrong and evil Rags was. And we watched it. We just like what the [ __ ] Also, we never even finished that video. Actually, we did I want to say two EAB episodes on it and we didn't actually get through the whole thing or just the one. But that would be a throwback to finish the rest of that video someday if it's still even available. I don't actually know if it is, but crazy times. Quinton Reviews hated the [ __ ] out of rags. Um, and me, I guess, and Trump, you know, it's the trifecta. A lot of gaming's problems can be pointed at short-term thinking. Gay Ben seems to have uh had the long-term thinking and is loved. Meanwhile, Microsoft and Sony blah. Yeah, lots to learn from Gay Ben. He knows what he knows what's up. Been here since prefab and I believe episode two. Gosh dang. Thank you for being long and schwango, meaning entertainment in the goo language. Oh, glad you're still here. Hope you're having fun. Ghost of Yoai, though, is a bad game with clear woke elements, but does have decent gameplay. Just a ban, incoherent, borderline bad. I think they mean bad. A bad, incoherent, borderline [ __ ] writing. It's not evil to call it out. It's just this dude special or shill. Well, I I think it's [ __ ] to be like, stop being mean to people about games they're trying their best to develop. is like you you're trying to announce it to great acclaim on a public environment. So you understand what what else can happen when you do that, right? Especially when your game looks like every other game that everyone has played for a million years. It's a memorio. I sounds interesting. I play that game. Uh I would only been watching New Lads for around two and a half years, but you guys have really made me appreciate media more and encouraged me to think more critically. Thanks and please continue the greatness. Well, thank you. I'm sure all three of us appreciate that greatly. We shall carry on as best we can. >> From science view, a teleporter would not kill you. In quantum mechanics, you don't have any matter that belongs to you. There is no matter that belongs to you. Meaning, if teleporter worked, either dead corpse or you with your soul. I think it's a matter of continuity, right? You um you be it would be interrupted completely. Uh, and then the matter that made you, cuz it would be a question of like free, would you consider yourself have died if you went into carbonite and were came back out? I assume you'd think you're right. >> Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, I I don't really know. Yeah. Like I don't It starts to get complicated when you start to deal with these sorts of questions like um I guess the thing is is that you could probably run something like that even further down the chain, which is are you the same person when you wake up in the morning, >> right? Well, yeah. Sleep is a question. continuity of your cuz in the case of sleep, it's not like there's a complete break in the continuity of your consciousness, but like the continuity of consciousness is like a really important aspect of uh how we >> sort of perceive ourselves. And when you sleep, it's not like it ends, but something changes. But at the same time, I mean, how much does it change if you eat the wrong food and then it makes you [ __ ] depressed, right? like, and I'm not talking about it makes you depressed conceptually, but like it actually has an effect on your brain chemistry or if you get drunk or these sorts of things. Um, and then once you run down that line, you might start to wonder if uh the consciousness that you value is perhaps a little bit more fickle than you uh than you initially realized. >> By the way, the first scene in Star Wars proves that Stormtroopers can aim. Yes. >> Yep. Yep, they sure could [laughter] for a little while. >> There was a [ __ ] line in the first Star Wars. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise. >> They have tried to reccon that fans into being like, "Oh, Obi-Wan's being like tongue and cheek." And you're like, "What? What are you talking about? >> What do you mean? They they appear to aim pretty well." [laughter] Like, >> oh, silly Obi-Wan making a joke. >> What the [ __ ] Platoon was perfectly healthy when I went to bed. What did you people do? How did he go into the latest stages of consumption in the last six hours? Yeah. Something happened to your voice briefly there, I think. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. My throat collapsed in on itself. Then it got better, so it's fine. >> It got better. [laughter] Mar Oh, I see. Oh, wait. No, it does say. I think I just misread an R in there. Marisu, this video series being reoccurring is much more enjoyable than Jim Le's. You may have been planning to cover them already, but I'd like to thank uh my chat on your solo stream helped bring it into fruition. We were always planning it. Uh writer Brandon McNelte, after the first run with him, uh he's he's officially a mainstay for the anniversary. He's in my notes all the time for uh he's got like 20 of these videos. So, we will we will tackle writer Brandon McNelte once per year and hopefully at one point we will say that video was [ __ ] great and he was right throughout most of it. That'd be nice, but I don't think that will happen. He is so [snorts] thoroughly immersed in terrible writing advice. >> Yes. >> Like the kind of typical writing advice that is not very helpful at all. Um I I do I really do think that kind of writing advice can seriously lead people astray. gets them in this like weird tangled web filled with contradictions in terms of trying to figure out why stories work when the answer is perhaps simpler and more difficult which is kind of what we tend to talk about which is it's kind of all just about internal consistency like as long as you nail that down there are like a variety of choices that you can make after that. >> Yes, pretty much. Shout out to my favorite line from Paul Dark. Is he? Takes a lot of show to explain that, but it's an all right watch. Happy 400, lads. Sorry about the hex I gave platoon, but needs must. Well, you know, you've already hexed him again. Look at him. The microphone's been destroyed. Symbolic of that red symbol. But I'm sure he made it. So, you know, uh, whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That's what they say, right? Must be true. Fringy, are you vegan? I've always wondered since you love animals so much. Also, if the answer is no, please explain how you reconcile that. >> Uh, how I reconcile the fact that I really like eating meat is that I just really like the flavor of meat. Um, >> also, I mean, does that >> does that mean that everybody cuz who doesn't like animals? >> Well, I'm sure there's somebody out there who's a psycho that doesn't like animals, but yeah, like for me, I don't know. I don't I don't really view it as like this significant of a problem. It's like, yeah, man, animals are super cool and I like them, but at the same time, I really like pork. I just do. [laughter] And uh and I Yeah, I I really like meats. I uh when I think of like food, when I think of meals, uh that's always kind of revolves around protein in some way, shape, or form. >> That is kind of my outlook on on food. It's It would be very very very very difficult to uh to change that. Happy 400 Fleims and Grumbos. Thanks for keeping me company during my long Amazon roots. Love you guys. Also, Hierra Rex. Glad to keep you company. Thanks for letting us know. Brandon sounds like movie Bob a I I know why you're saying that but movie Bob sounds worse. I'm just saying. Same realm maybe. Now, I want to see a fan-made remake of The Room where it's the exact same dialogue just with good acting. Could be an interesting juxosition. Yeah, because most uh people who recreate it do deliberately bad acting, but can you save the dialogue with good acting? I wonder. I'm fed up with this world. >> Doesn't someone Isn't there a remake of The Room? Is that the guy from Better Call? Am I making >> Bob? But I'm pretty sure that's also deliberately bad. Like I'm I haven't seen it, but I >> I think it was that they made it like in a day without like any rehearsals or anything. So >> yeah, >> it's like the first take is what they include in all of them. >> Massives. Off topic here, but any chance we ever get to see Super Chat and Gaming making a comeback? At least in the FAT Mini Super Chat catchups cuz we all hear the Steam achievement certification sound when you're reading them. Huh. That was done with uh that was done with Dolphin, not um not Steam. like when I when I used to I all the games I played on Super Chat catchups were uh uh GameCube emulated. Um if ever you hear the sound of a Steam achievement that's that's not Steam Steam has the same sound for Steam achievements as notifications. So if anything is happening that's worth notifying me on Steam, you'll hear that sound. So it could be downloading a game, could be whatever you um no typically I'm not playing any video game when we do this. If I do, it's going to be something extremely low pressure like um [ __ ] Tetris or something. But usually I got some stuff to do while we're we're doing this in terms of ordering things and moving things around getting make sure I have all the messages and sometimes I start fetching things that we need to look at um eventually cuz you guys want us to check out Pokémon or something like it. But no, um the return of possibly gaming while while doing catchup maybe. I don't know. It's just uh maybe we'll put a big maybe on it. Um, did Eth just get caught to fed dig TLJ heresy? We were forced. Our hand was forced. What can I say? Speaking of writers named Brandon, Brandon Sanderson gave Arcane season 2 a 9 out of 10. Knocked down from a 10 out of 10. Oh, Brandon. Still want to check out his books one day. That's an amazing score to give one of the worst seasons of TV that's ever existed. >> Yeah. >> The Chad Ryan Johnson versus the cuck. Brandon Mc Melty. McCultely. They've spelled it as muk mukly. I don't even It's too hard. Uh Brad had subverted your expectations. Ryan approves. And so it came to pass that on the 8th anniversary of episode 400, EAP would defend TLJ. It's like poetry. It rhymes. I was hoping we wouldn't have to, but there we were. >> Well, they did say it would get a reappraisal after 10 years. >> And there it was. Franco, ever consider giving NASCAR a shot? Uh, I know a little bit about NASCAR. I I know a little bit. I know I know some of the characters. Um, maybe, you know, there's there's a lot of motorsports to be watching. >> All right. >> Everything I know about NASCAR comes from when Kartman tried to be a NASCAR driver. >> We're training paint. [laughter] >> No, it's it's pretty funny. I most of what I know about NASCAR is from Emplement. [laughter] His videos on uh NASCAR are often very entertaining and interesting as well as what I've seen from a few other places as well. Um happy anniversary guys. Thanks for the eight years. Here's to eight more. Oh, eight more indeed. Maybe even 16. Who can say? Um hello there tapon again. That's from the uh the opening animation thing. Very good stuff. Who uh the fellow who made that? I think it was um Bunnington was the name. He said he wants to make one for 450 as well. So, looks like we'll be fine for intros next year as well. Long Kong. Oh, I think this is guessing what the uh EA movies is going to be about. Uh criticism of the day. Sometimes you guys make the mistake of putting yourselves in a character's shoes as criticism when that wouldn't work as the characters are different. >> Yeah. And sometimes >> I think have you been watching this show? I mean it's but the problem with this is you could have just filled that in with any criticism of anybody talking about any story ever. Like you sometimes misunderstand the science or you sometimes talk about uh the pacing from a it's like you got to be more specific otherwise it's just useless. Like yeah sometimes people talk about character decisions as though they're making it themselves without respecting the characters themselves. It's like yeah people do that they can make that mistake anyway you know and sometimes people don't. Sometimes people think that characters are in character because they haven't considered what that character would do and are instead thinking about what they would do. For example, Hightop would obviously have murdered loads of people and thrown all people in front of cars and stuff. That's why he doesn't understand what's wrong with Jean Gray doing it. You got to be careful with that sort of thing. Criticism of the day, man. You got to you got to put in examples otherwise it's useless. We can't do anything with this. In fact, you could maybe sacrifice the cootd in brackets, [laughter] but put an example in there. I don't know. Uh, can you stroke Peter Jackson's long [ __ ] Good god, they got that in with a bunch of uh crazy like uh you know, like using the pound symbol and stuff. Uh, but I'm going to go ahead and say no to that one. Is this another >> Is this another 17 plus hour video? Uh, it'll be longer than 17 for sure. Uh, even Fringy likes McMuffins. Does anyone dislike McMuffins? >> I do. >> Probably someone someone must not like him. >> Uh, what about second trilogy? Oh, well, my little story did end up covering all of that, I think. Ray Ray Pitler, you thunder against me. I [ __ ] love watching dudes watch Star Wars. Well, you're going to get a lot of watching dudes watch Star Wars for sure. Um, does it hurt? You forgot to include Mario and Grou. Sorry, it does actually say bad and grou. I just read that as for some reason. Uh, you dig bats. Oh, did we forget to include that? Huh? Did we? Did we? Indeed, we shouldn't Ryan be watching Race Wars. We got to get him for Star Wars as well. Okay, buddy. All right. Goblin voice OC finally getting a shout out. Of course, Evan Movies 100 is all of the Star War. I genuinely thought it was Lon Kong, but holy moly, what a welcome surprise. It was considered, I won't lie, Lon Kong as a as a as a thing, but I think Star Wars makes a bit more sense. I think it's actually kind of crazy that we don't have any dedicated coverage to basically any Star Wars that's not Rise of Skywalker and Mando and Grou and then the TV shows obviously but it's like oh you never covered the OT. It's like no in in 8 years we have not covered the OT. It feels a little bit insane, doesn't it? Um a monumental effort. You guys are awesome. Well, you know what? Wait until you see it and I'm hoping you'll like it a whole bunch. Shout out to Thumpire. If you eat too much meat, you can develop Star Wars goutlaws. Oh no, you don't want that. So, the EFAB devs are bringing it back to its roots with the new EFAB. Sounds like a great idea. What could possibly go wrong? Yep, we're going back to the roots. The star roots. Hearing about Mhler being coaxed into a snafu with EAP movie star was the only thing that brings me joy in life. Well, who knows? Maybe I was actually the one doing the coaxing. Who can say? Been here since EAB 1. thanks to some crazy randomness and stumbled upon Rag's channel. Then Mers, thank you so much for almost a decade of amazing entertainment. Live from France. Can't wait to celebrate the 10th. Oh, we're on the way. Well on the way. Congrats on another anniversary. If you saw your future self in prison for a crime, what crime do you think it would be? >> H. According to the brown envelopes on my desk, tax fraud. [laughter] >> Yeah, maybe. uh some kind of effort to try and destroy the the I was about to say some some some awful new attempt at telling stories in one of my favorite IPs maybe. But no, it could also be taxes for me. Just deciding one day I don't want to pay any more of them and then being like, "Oh [ __ ] they got me. They got him." >> Something normal like just speeding. I guess that's not like a Well, it depends how fast you go. I guess how how serious that would be. Um, gun having Supergirl be drunk the whole film and eating animal poop was brave, I guess. Yeah. >> Yeah, that was a weird choice. But I mean, hey, nobody I Nobody watched it. Even though I see these tweets with like 80, 90,000 likes going about for that film. It's like, dude, I kind of wonder if even the person tweeting it has seen the movie, let alone all the people liking it. >> Yeah. Make America Gro again. play the clip. No, but we have mentioned it. It's very funny. Okay, but can we get two seasons of US agent? It wouldn't be good though. >> Nope. >> Uh, criticism of the day. You once implied gun faked his friendship with Snyder. You shouldn't do that and make up conspiracies. What are you talking about? You can totally you can absolutely speculate on what people think of each other based on how they behave on like each other's work. for example. And when you say friends in this case, like I >> it was [ __ ] dude under the best of circumstances these sorts of friendships, right? It's like what are they regularly hanging out on the weekend or something? I doubt it. >> I just call me cynical, but I I see Warner Brothers owned Rick and Morty hiring Warner Brothers owned James Gun and formerly Warner Brothers owned Zack Snder to talk about Warner Brothers impending movie, and I think, you know what, that might have been paid for. Yeah, it's all [ __ ] And I I don't need to be like, "No, you don't know that for sure." It's like, "Yeah, it's my [ __ ] opinion then, isn't it?" >> It's not a Also, what what conspiracy is it a conspiracy when it's just two people doing something that they think is like to their mutual benefit in this case of like, oh yeah, no, we're friends. Yeah. It's like, okay. Yeah, I don't buy it. >> For example, I think Fona resents Gilroy at this point and be like, you don't have proof of that. It's like, I don't need proof. That's what I think. But also, we do have the observations of that he's not the Andor guy, he's the Ahsoka guy. That surely must piss him off. >> Well, yeah. Look at the fan reaction and everyone's making fun of Fona now. Like, of course, it's going to piss him off. >> That's kind of the point, right, with a lot of these. It's like it would be it's like how we talked about, you know, is Chris Stockman mad about like Iron Lung completely overshadowing his film? It's like it wouldn't be that strange if he was. It's funny, but it wouldn't be that unusual. It's kind of the same with um James Gun and Snider. like both of them were kind of competing to have like their vision of one of the most well maybe maybe rapidly diminishing valuable um IPs like in the world. It it wouldn't be that strange if there was conflict. The synth synth synthesizer. All right. I'm unfamiliar with that term. Oh, wait, wait, wait. That's uh I know where that's going. Hang on. I've read ahead. Where are we? Uh, Boku Wa keu. Yes, I understand what that means. Fun fact, the Japanese have sub versus dub debate on King of the Hill. They should be watching the original with subs 100%. I'm so early into the stream. Good luck all you masses. Love the remix intro. That [ __ ] was hilarious. Happy anniversary, EAB. Thank you very much. And yes, it is. Started listening in 2019 when I was 15. About to turn 22 now. favorite podcast when I'm working out with or at the gym. Thanks for the good times. Well, thank you for letting us know. Good to keep people company. And yes, everyone should go to the gym or at least get some exercise. Good move. So, when are you guys going to sing to show you can do it better than that guy? What was the guy that we covered that was singing? Maybe the meme section. Was there a >> We already have. You can find it in my Supergirl video. I did a [ __ ] cover of a pop song so it could go in the next James G movie. There you go. Nailed it. >> I got lots of um lots of uh sort of humming for songs. >> Humming and singing are very different. >> I don't know about that. >> I do. I am Captain Hum and I that's my whole job is figuring that out. Whoever made Hero Wars and the ads needs to be hauled before a war crimes tribunal. Oh, this would be the Anthony Star thing. bringing big smoke order as a Louisiana witch doctor. >> I I don't know what that's is that is that Gambit. >> Is [laughter] that what he sounds like? >> Louisiana witch doctor is what that guy described himself as when he was trying to do u to Charala's voice in that clip if you remember. >> Oh, I I can't do that. Sorry. >> Not even going to try. My goodness. Okay. >> I I Yeah, there's no way. Um, obviously all the videos are AI. The question is, is EAP currently AI? Well, I hope not, but who knows? Uh, you guys need to stop criticizing films. Be more nice. You need to be nice and advertise gambling ads instead. I don't want to. I just I'm just going to keep being mean. Thanks for the streams. It's surprising how you can get so many people, but after so many years, Shad and Sterling the only ones I knew before EAB. And Sterling is not a man he used to be. kind of understand skipping him this year. I mean, there's always going to be videos that Sterling has created that can cause discussion. It's just that I don't know. I think we ended up treading similar ground. So, I wanted to move on, try and find an alternative, which is funny cuz we're on Mark Brown. But Mark Brown had 10 lessons in one. Okay. Not just one lesson. 10. We learned a lot. Um, how much you get to get you guys to play Call of Duty: World at War? Huh? >> Yeah. [laughter] [snorts] >> Wow. That is before we showed that video. So, that's that's some interesting uh >> and then also opinions on World of War. I'm a big fan of World of War. I thought it was awesome. >> Yeah. Great campaign. >> And we are very likely going to talk about World of War more um in the month of I don't know, November, maybe further than that. Who knows? Depends on how things go with the old plushies. fans of the new cod just wojacks. I mean, hey, wojacks of people, too. Okay. Where's the meme fap? Melee. Well, you got a bit of meme fab in the the final segment there. Um, the final Lego piece of the year is you, the builder. That's right. We're ending it on a gay one. A I appreciate that. Um, uh, GG on 400 episodes. Another year of tisms and flutes. I wanted to ask you to review Amazing Digital Circus, but for completely different reasons. Uh, The Amazing Digital Circus is as if the Bojack Horseman writers had epilepsy, suffered a stroke while on crack, quoting Little Platoon. It's lethally cringe. Oh, we usually get praise of Amazing Digital Circus. That That seemed to be criticism. >> Wait, what did I say was lethally cringe? >> Well, they just said quoting you. They didn't say on what. >> Oh, >> that could be anything. >> That could be a lot of things. Yeah. Been watching since the Major Lee episode and can still remember where I was when he said the thing. Life has had its ups and downs, but this podcast is a welcome constant. Here's to another 8 years and more. Y'all have enhanced my life in ways you will never know. A well, I can only hope we can vaguely continue to. And uh I hope you have more ups on the way than downs there. Thanks for letting us know. Remember guys, my criticism of the day comes from a place of love, not hate. I just think you need to be taken down a peg is with all truths. Appreciate you guys. Well, that's not very nice. >> You need [laughter] to be taken down a peg. That's all. [gasps] >> Maybe you need to be taken down a peg. Bum bum. Englishman and Welshman. It took you 100 years and you lost to French. >> When did that happen? >> I don't remember. That sounds like some kind of >> 100 years war. >> The French beat the French in the French war. Listen. Okay, we're on an uneasy truce right now. We don't need to be uh rustling up anything negative, right? It's it's it's great. Good. Nice. Nice French. Good. Good for you. Um Tur is offended by this portrayal of the French. When did we get to the French in in our selection of memes? I don't remember. I love it when AI gets waterboarded more. I remember the AI [ __ ] up video. I remember that. >> Was the person being strangled? I don't think so. I think it was just the AI struggling with what what what [laughter] the the the part where it like outside like going making [ __ ] alien creature noises was very like wait what why why is that happening first time I felt concerned for the AI? Yeah, it was being tortured. AI sounds like it's being tortured by a crackhead there. Um I'm hours behind and you must be stumbling toward the end. Just shambling rather. just traveled into the future to say thanks for another great anniversary. Sleep well. Well, thank you very much. She looks She looks like Will from Stranger Things. I love the way she said Stranger Things. Edward is still the best robot of all time. Poland mentioned. Don't be like Hitler. Get in Cognney. That That [ __ ] was funny. >> Oh god. >> Um I believe the correct response is Whoa, buddy. He blew his knee out right at the start. Yes, the AI guy doing his run. McGregor. Oh, sorry though. This is about uh the the the McGregor fight. He's a [ __ ] so that loss was just karma. Imagine unironically watching wrestling content. This is not even wrestling. Wrestling is probably going to give you better results cuz that is somewhat planned to make sure you get bang for your buck whereas UFC can go any way at any time. Uh congratulations on eight years lads. Thank you. English is her city. Her speaking is catast catalastrophic. This would be Candace Owens. There's a video of her finding out that 3 35 years old that thunder is caused by lightning. I' I've seen that. It's [ __ ] amazing. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Very, very What a what a fool. [laughter] >> What a classic fool. >> U misprononunciation of words reminds me of Brett Keen. Now, that's a deep cut. I remember Brett Keane. I I don't know if he's still around, but yes. Uh, but does she know Blitz and Thunder are related? I don't think she knows much about anything, to be honest with you. Oh, Candace mispronouncing things. It's just indicative that someone else writes all of her material. She is a puppet. Ooh. So, you're saying that the reason she's mispronouncing these things is because she's never had to pronounce them before and thus she like she never would have written them. But, I'm not sure about that. Some of them she says so confidently and so often that it seems she's learned them wrong. >> It's repeated. Like one mistake as a one-off would be what you would expect if someone was reading a word for the first time. >> Whereas she repeatedly puts extra syllables in words that end with like shun. It would be like repetit. >> Yeah. >> She always does it. >> And it's hard when you want to be taken seriously to make mistakes like that because you know the genie is out of the Bible at that point. So, >> there's no way she's doing this by accident. Well, there is a way. She'd have to be really stupid. Uh, and it's it's possible, which for the record, everyone pronounces different things wrong, but she's pronouncing a [ __ ] ton of things wrong. She's learned all kinds of idioms and sayings wrong. And she's made no effort to correct anything despite knowing that she's doing all of it wrong. And I mean, if you're not willing to like figure out how to correct little bits of your language, I mean, how [ __ ] worthwhile can you be on more serious a field where communication is really important? I don't know. Maybe. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, it's you're a pundit, so you don't do policy or the actual hard work of like trying to [ __ ] run anything. You just talk about the way that you think things should be and you talk like an idiot. I it's just, you know, >> also there's punditry and then there's Bridget Mcron has a penis and I'm not sure that really counts as punditry. That's just being a clown. >> That is true. May maybe that's maybe even in her case as being unfair to punditry, political punditry as a profession. >> I'm tired, boss. Yeah, that's fair. [laughter] Just so they got Gilbach, I choose you. And then choose your starter Pokemon. Gilbachar or Electrolammon. I love Gilbachar. That's funny as [ __ ] Gibralta. >> Isn't that Isn't that like a That's That's Isn't that like a politician? >> You're talking about um >> I know what you're talking about. It's that woman uh who made that same joke a million times. >> Clobar. Oh. Oh, okay. It's uh Yeah. All right. It's not exactly the same. >> Gilbachar and Clolobachar are close enough, but Yeah. >> Yeah. I think Clolobachar is the evolved form of Gilbachar. [laughter] >> I choose you, Cream of Pie. [laughter] >> There's a game called Tank Fu. And yes, the gameplay is what you think. Okay. I'm unfamiliar with that term, Candace. I'm going to search Mormon Cream Pie online. Oh no. [laughter] I bet Candace says a thing is a mute point. Oh, she There's going to be so many. She gets so many wrong already that there's probably even more compilations. I have a cold and keep blowing my nose to equalize my ear pressure. Why would you play this video of all videos, Waller? Ah, screw it. Welcome back, Jared Genesis. Oh, they're saying welcome back as though he's not on screen yet. Mento, that was a [laughter] pretty great meme. >> That was great. >> Uh, 24 hours and Nick didn't curse you. Nice. Nick would never curse us. He likes us. We got him to play Gollum. A shilling for a cavalcade of unsanctioned buffoonery. That's a That's what Tommy Lee Jones said about Jim Carrey when they were filming Batman Forever. Unsanctioned buffoonery. Brandon made us defend TLJ. Anything can happen. It's true. Just saw a real comparing Dune to Lord of Rings and the comments saying [ __ ] like, "It's Gen Z's Lord of the Rings. I need someone else to suffer with me. is Lord of the Rings. [laughter] >> That's that's just unfortunate at that point, you know, if if you want to say that that's just true. Like that's what that is. Like um like if people believe it, it reminds me of the whole like the Odyssey is is actually based on something, you know? It's like uh don't know what the [ __ ] is going on anymore. Nobody knows anything about anything. Um for the fapping, stay for the YouTube poop ms movies. Yes, mom on TV. Thanks for all the hours of entertainment. Thanks again for everything. Look forward to the next anniversary. Well, we'll have to make it a banger. Um, anniversary killed Platoon's voice. It did make it back though. It regenerated. >> Well, I rewarded myself when we reached like the midway point of part three. I healed it with whiskey and so it was fine. >> Uh, Sonic was the best art. I mean, I I did like the recreation and that that poster sort of image was super [ __ ] cool. Uh that Superman to Zod snapped neck. Mhler, they call me Noid released a new animation. Please watch it. It's just as great as always. I've got a bit of a file on different things we got to check out. Um obviously when we get to completing catching up with Super Chats, we'll be getting into doing a recording for a meme fab and hopefully we'll get everything in there. Uh I will do what I can. Final supper catat is me. That's a bit early, Sty. It's a bit early. We haven't even gotten to Gerro Genesis yet. Congratulations on 4,000 episodes. Thanks for all the laughs, memes, and breakdowns of media. Here's to another 4 million. Oh, I don't know if we can do 4 million, but we'll give it a best shot. Um, just made it in time for the end. I'm listening to you for four years now, and I just started a rewatch. Bring back JJ Binks. I miss his wackiness. Hail to Dawn and God bless rags. It been some It's quite a wacky set of eras, isn't it? They try their best to break it up into years on these surveys. Um, we even got Boogie to recognize the year of Boogie. That was surreal. Thank you, Ma, for eating rags platoon for many years of content and gaming streams. You guys are the best. >> Appreciate you. Thank you. >> Endless supper cat lies. It's the truth. The final one is mwah. To quote the excellent Bugs Bunny, no. to quote whoever Bugs was talking to. Yes. Um, Bugs Bunny has ultimate authority. Sorry, Sty. I think there's a big old argument that's supposed to take place in the super chats. He is a bunny, not a supper cat. Uh, where is the So, this was interesting. A lot of people said like they figured that Rags was was uh being announced as like not a host because there was no plushy for him. I thought we were I didn't think we were that sull [laughter] with >> Yeah. Uh, we said you got me, platoon, fringy, and a t-shirt. And then that there are two K-9 shaped ones coming soon. Who could say what they might be? >> They've been awake for like 20 hours at this point, so maybe it was still slightly too subtle. >> I feel like we were awake for longer. [laughter] We managed to pull it off. But no, uh, I don't think it's it's not breaking anything to say you get a rags one is on the way. Um, and it should be obvious who the other one would probably be as well. Uh but you know, we're still figuring some things out and we're going to split them into two campaigns instead of one big one. Um so again, you know, if you're listening to this and you want to support the show, I'm not against having super chats sent in and everything, but if you have a choice between sending a super chat and um being able to buy one of these, obviously, I'd say you might want to wait to to pick up something of the makeshift variety. Um, as said then as well, you can expect the end of September is likely when we can launch. It might be later than that. We're not 100% sure yet. Um, but we will do everything we can to be clear as time goes on. Uh, I'm a proud bunny supremacist. Aren't you, Sty? Supper cats better than bunnies. Does any of this make sense to you? Do you know about this? What's going on? uh platoon you see >> cats eat bunnies and supper cats especially financially uh >> immune cats so I I guess it makes a degree of sense cats would beat bunnies even Bugs Well no cuz wait a minute Bugs Bunny placed really well in the Ultimate Showdown didn't he >> that's right >> so actually this might be a close fight uh happy 8th you lovely massives wild to think it's been that long dawn bless and many tipples well thank you very Star, your racism toward bunnies is unacceptable. You come to the sobering realization that things will never stop from keeping keep happening constantly. True. Justice for Derp Wolf. Hey, don't count him out forever. Okay, we we trust in Derp Wolf. I like bunnies, but supper cats are vastly superior. I'm giving each of you $1 to go to bed. Take care. And we eventually did go to bed, but you know, came through on that. Cheers to eight years. been watching since year 2 and EA feels as strong as ever right now. All the behind the scenes work you guys do really shows. I'll thank you very much and uh things will indeed continue. I demand an apology, sty, this is unacceptable. All right, I'm sorry for being correct. Oh my. Been watching for seven years and a member for six and a seventh 24-hour stream done. Good god, the 24-hour ones kick everyone's ass. Well, yeah, you would supposed to be up for that log and yet we try to pull it off. Blessed thee, Mr. Wolf. Wolves or supperat sty, you must choose. Wolf walking off into the sunset is the best. I really wish him the best. The Half-Life streams were some of my favorites. Barring the incident. Oh yes, the incident. I made it into one of the super super cats. Super cats. Obviously, Sty is a fence sitter just like Boogie. Shake my head. And uh uh obviously we've gotten to announcing Rags uh no longer being a host. Goodbye rags. Goodbye rags with a question mark this time. Bye rags. Bye rags. Also high rags. No rags. You're the best guess. Don't leave. Are we now supposed to say bye rags? You can keep saying hi rags as much as you want. By rags. So the average lifespan of a rags is 8 years. No, he's still going to be around. And plenty of EAP stuff as well. Only one founding EAP member remains. That's technically true. Hopefully I don't uh go anytime soon and we'll be fine. All right. Or maybe then we'll have to maybe create the AI version of me to keep everything going. It'll be absolutely fine. We love you, Rags. Hope Rags comes back as a host one day. Enjoy the farm. We insist you are here for the new rings of power, though. I imagine he will definitely not want to miss that. Bye, Rags. Hi, Rags. Bye, Rags. We already miss you, Rags. Jokes aside, Wols deserves the absolute best. What a legend. Even though I technically wasn't around when he was a host, I still love him. Uh, can we help at all? Obviously, it's a it's a decision being made for more reasons than like necessarily going to be explained fully. The personal stuff, but uh, Rags, there's a lot of conflict with scheduling uh, seems to be the major case. So, I don't think there's anything anyone can necessarily do, but like, you know, he's still making stuff. He's going to be streaming. He's still going to be on EAB here and there as well. So, think of it as uh more of a a lateral move than a a horrifying reduction in any given thing. He's still going to be around. He's uh he's still streaming as well. No one's ever really gone from there's a quote from Jake Cloud Wadler. I think I don't I don't think that's the same as Skywalker, but you know, means also. [laughter] Um, we got this is cootd advanced warfare cuz cootd is now call of the duty. I got you. >> We've always said Rags was the secret guest of EAB. Now he has ascended. Best of luck with everything. Goodbye, Rags. I mean, always agree with you, but I've appreciated your presence regardless. I look forward to seeing you as a guest. Hi, Rags. So, it has come to this. Goodbye, Rags. And, uh, scritches for the good doggo. eight years of rags. Thank you so much for everything you gave to EAP and this community. >> Absolutely. Of course, >> like I said, he's not going anywhere in in that full sense. You know, he's he's obviously not going to be as on as many episodes, but he's still going to be around in a lot of stuff EAP related and a lot of stuff that hasn't even come out yet. >> We haven't done like a Christy know him and taken him outside the back. >> He's [laughter] still here. Happy 400th. Thanks for everything and thank you both. Uh thanks to both our canines, Wolf and Rags. Fair wins to the both of you. Guess rags fully becomes a special guest. Seriously, thanks for all of everything. Well, thank you very much for letting us know what it means. We very much appreciate it. Hi, Rags. We miss you already. We love you, Rags. You'll be sorely missed. Best of luck in all of our future your future endeavors. You'll always be welcome anytime. And also, Hi, Rags. Bye, Rags. Rags is now a member of chat. Welcome, doggo. Of course. You're the goodest boy. We love you, Rags. Rags, can you play Lord of Ring on PS4? I doubt you're going to get another Gollum run from him, but uh he did give your one glorious one. Getting drunk on sometimes even several beers. Time to change the name. I recommend every frame a gap. I think we're going to stick to the whole pausing thing, at least for now. Hi, Rags. Thank you guys. Oh man, I look forward to your future appearances, Rags. I think you grew on me the most over the years. Good rags. Bye, rags. Going to miss you, Rags. Such sad news. You can destroy one terrible film franchise, but you must go back and give an OT film to Ryan Johnson. How? Who knows? >> I don't think this is a good exchange. Why would like So that's destroying two film franchises and we get to destroy one terrible one, but a terrible film franchise is already destroyed in a sense. So no, I just wouldn't. Um >> although are we now refusing the hypothetical in the way back seat we have to >> but the thing is it sounded like it was an opportunity um like a good thing. I'm trying to say like this doesn't help anything but I guess if we were forced if it was you have to d like give one of the OT films to Ryan Johnson and in exchange you can destroy one film franchise. I don't know. I guess are we all given we're going to have to give him Return of the Jedi, right? >> Yeah, it has to be really. So, we give him that. What is >> What is the film franchise we destroy? >> Oh, I mean, we could do the Star Wars sequels, >> I guess. >> Undo his damage and let him do damage elsewhere. >> Yeah, it's a strange exchange, but you know, uh, thanks for all you gave us, Rags. You've always been my favorite. Hope life treats you well, and looking forward to seeing you around. Sending love. Thank you for all uh many a well spent weekend, many a chore pass more pleasantly and for a thoughtful place of refuge from the broader culture. You're a better investment than therapy. Oh no, that is a compliment. Thank you very much. What'd you bring me? With a little laptop emoji. All this because TLJ, maybe it was a masterpiece from a certain point of view. Thank you all for the years of hard work, entertainment, and laughs. Thank you. God's real name is Tonal, if you must know. I always figured that. Happy anniversary. Eight years of EFAP is crazy. Thank you for all the work you do. It's been quite the ride. It has. It's just eight years in general. It's kind of a kind of strange to imagine it. I've been around since 2021, but I met a lot of cool people because of you guys. Some of those cool people are in chat right now. Thanks so much. I value the company of Z0ero Zenith, Anna Nielsen, Tanhouser Gate, Tanhouser Gate, Carlos Villro, Amelia Bodilia, Bodilia, Neo2266, and plenty more cool chatters here. Thank you, Sty. My ego has finally been stroked. This video makes me want to play Dark Souls. Dark Souls. Dark Souls. >> Um, congrats on 8 years. says 400 EABS. May your cup overflow with tipples. Of all the things for it to overflow with. You know what? Yes, we'll have we'll have tipples. EAB 400 is the only thing that brings me joy. Cheers to 8 years of fapping. Sad to see to hear about rags and wolf. Best of luck to all you massives going forward. My rags. Hey. Uh, you know, it's all for the best. Onwards and upwards sort of situation. Very happy [clears throat] 400. Don't usually catch EAP live, but I've uh been deathly sick. So, I've got to this week baring and pooping a lot. Love you though. Hey, uh, love you though. That's just your body getting rid of the bad stuff, you know. Better out than in. I always say is is what? Uh, isn't that a Shrek quote? I think >> maybe >> I think Fiona burps in front of her parents and then Shrek says, "Better out than in." I always say, Fiona. And and you know, he's right. I think Shrek was a philosopher in his time and just the the king and the queen were too proud to accept the fact that he had a lot of really good advice. Thanks for the hours of entertainment. Very tight. Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo. I'm not sure if this is a reaction to seeing uh seeing Jared. It probably is. You have to give one full control of the films, one full control of the games. Last ones known as an evil and dumb by everyone. Hassan Sterling and Boogie2988 pick. You have to give one full control of the films. We talking about Star Wars or just all films. >> Oh, it doesn't clarify. >> So, one of them gets to be known as evil and done by everyone. We're probably going to pick Hassan on that one since he's the one that does actual damage compared to the three of them. Then, who gets control of fully of games and films between Sterling and Boogie? Uh, maybe Boogie because he would just be really [ __ ] boring, which is like a better alternative. >> Well, wait. So, one of them gets games, one of them gets films. >> Boogie might have some sort of ancestral [snorts] memory of the time he talked about games. [laughter] >> Maybe, maybe. >> That's [ __ ] tough. >> I don't know. Like, >> I feel like, oh, you know what? [ __ ] it. That's like a coin toss for me. >> I think so, too. One of them's getting destroyed and and in all likelihood both of them are. So, you know, >> oh well, >> somehow Jared returned. Jared is still sleeping on that table. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Hey lads, I've been a fan >> since episode 66. Wanted to thank you for all the great content. Your vids brought a lot of joy during my study. Urban planning and your advice on reddrafting helped me graduate cumlaude. Thanks a lot. Wow. >> Well done. I don't know what that means. What does >> that's like a term? >> It's honest, isn't it? The equivalent >> of like top top top and then kumlad is top top and then there's just graduating I think. I don't know. We don't have it in this country but I think that's how it works. >> Okay. Yeah. Cool. >> Oh yeah, good to be thanks for letting us know and appreciate it. Um I assume this is going to be more of a fringy question. What which Spartan armor do you guys think is best? MarkV, Mark 5, or Mark 6. I like the look of Mark 4 from Halo Wars particularly. >> Uh, no. I mean, I I I uh I'm a big fan of the Mark 6 armor. I uh I really enjoy the aesthetic there, though. I I do like Mach 5. It's cool. But yeah, I uh my favorite is probably Mark 6. Uh, I saw no sugar adulteration on a bottle of honey and immediately got any man who must say I there's no sugar adulteration is no true adult. So they said it was adulterated. I can't uh I can't advocate for that myself. I wouldn't know. Hey, what the [ __ ] Xander at home tuned into Boogie at home. Oh, he turned into Boogie at home. Are you saying Xander's gained a bunch of weight? I don't know. I haven't I haven't seen if he's up to anything in in a long time. First super happy 8th. Thank you, bro. Found the hyperbolic time chamber. Jesus. Oh. Oh, they're talking they're talking about the the jump in time for Jared. They were all very shocked by this, I think. He said the line right is a weird left. I used to have great teeth. [ __ ] wed. I I don't know. Uh is random film talk getting more screen time soon? I think it was said he wasn't going to be coming back on, but to be fair, we were doing part three was just going to be the core guys at that point. Anyway, uh, one of these days you guys should eap the stream where EVS filmed himself drooling on a public restroom urinal. No refunds. I I don't even >> No. Wow. Uh, even though this won't be seen for 3 years in a catchup, thanks for all the entertainment. Your mod sucks, but you guys are great. Damn. I don't even sure who they're referring to specifically. It could be a bunch of people, but thank you. Could only catch you on hour two and now. Happy 400. Thank you very much. Just submitted my final project for my masters in creative writing. Don't think I've ever pursued it if it wasn't for EFAB. Happy 400 and thanks for everything, guys. Well, congratulations. I hope it uh hope you get the result you're looking for. And um thank you very much. >> I'm going to miss you, Rags. You held this podcast. Um Jared sounds like the shrimp on sale meme. What's the shrimp on sale meme? I feel like I don't know that one. >> I am not familiar. >> Jared somehow made fart jokes worse. He managed it. Yeah, he that was a that was a Jaredism if there ever was one. Don't let utly Noah see this Jared video. He may flag it for sexual content. Oh, yes. That's uh yeah, that's that's that's why that that was such like a self-report that he's going around like there's a [ __ ] girl farting video and he's like, "Oh, yes, I reported it." Bro, I missed this so much. Thank you all. I assume this means it was Jared. First Emma Sky, now Jared Genesis. I love Jared so much. I don't fully understand why. It's a It's a complicated entity. It's like when you walk into Walmart and then you realize it's actually not that bad. I think Walmart's probably wellmaintained. I haven't necessarily seen that, but it's America, right? It's like the most popular um supermarket. I'm sure air conditioning. The only thing better would be blessed Pikeman to finish the day. I'm sure we'll get him back someday after when he's doing better. We'll see him around. James, why did you make us suffer through Boogie? I mean, I think that might have been my fault. Go the [ __ ] to sleep and eat your carbohydrates. What do What's the best thing to eat before sleeping? Probably not carbohydrates, is it? I don't know. >> Probably nothing. >> Probably not, but I don't know. >> Probably nothing. Yeah. >> Boogie 298. >> If you want some interesting dreams, >> cheesy dreams. Boogie2988, Revenge of the Girth. Purging Otly Noah from YouTube is one of this podcast's great accomplishments. He's still out there though. currently on letter box Tron trying to get getting shafted one final time in the result equals perfect as well as far as I know. He's still like on YouTube. He's just I don't know if he's making stuff anymore. >> Literally me >> now. >> Uh no divergence. Yeah, >> I'm giving up. I'm going to need to take a shower now. Oh, you can't give up in the last few minutes. How dare you forget the tossing your cattle be? That was a pretty good one. Yeah, >> I started Gollum on your recommendation. Oh dear. and mixtape #fine hat # rags was right. I'm sorry. He was voted against. He was wrong. The the hat was just not fine. It simply was not fine. >> No divergences. Uh last video posted six hours ago. Why Spider-Man brand new day is getting so many autistic people talking. >> Oh god, >> it sure is doing that. >> It sure is doing that. Final supper cat is mwah. Tony here. Made it through the whole stream. Going to get my first E fat plushies. will miss rags and my nword wolf. Best wishes my Ewoks. P.S. I looked into buying rhino milk. Turns out it's illegal because they're endangered. Well, yes, I guess that makes sense. >> Yeah. I mean, rhinos are known to be endangered with sort of Yeah. >> I just got here. Could you please start over? Um, yeah. I I I don't think we could really pull that off, but yeah. Fair enough request. I will have the final super chat. If not, let them be cursed. Well, that's not nice. I don't want to be cursed. Hail the longer rhythms. You went over 24 hours. You better apologize by going for another 24 hours. I don't know if we could pull that off. I'll just be I think we just be dead at that point. Bye-bye. Thank you all so much for what you do. Hi, Rags. Bye, Ragu. Congrats on 400 lads and thanks for everything. And to Rags, take care until next time. Goodbye. Happy 400. Can't live without you guys. T Rags, you were always my favorite guest. Congrats, Wolf. Also, hi Rags for some other time. Started at 6:00 a.m. Central yesterday. Good fun the whole time. My brain went gloomy at some point though, as did we all, I think. Final supper cat is mwa, not sty. That was a wonderful time, y'all. Also by rags. Final supper cat is mwah. Not all of y I I forget how that's pronounced even at this point. I'd just like to say a quick thank you for everything. Seriously, just thank you. Well, we appreciate it. Thank you. The last cat of supper is mine. I can't have it. Well, Seymour, I made it despite your Well, Seymour, I made it despite your runtime. Mwah. Last Supper Cat. Thanks for eight years by rags. We love you, Rags. Thanks you for everything you gave. Ephab final supperat is mwah. I will never surrender. Sty final supperat. It's like a crying face and no me. I am final supperat. Happy 400. My first episode was 150 streams I listened to all night while walking uh waiting for news of my little sister being born. She just turned five. Y'all have been there for me through a lot. Thanks. And then final supper catat ma 400. And that uh that draws us to just checking out. We've got um a Sonic character of the week, a special dinosaur and a Pokémon. So, our Sonic character is uh honestly I didn't really expect this being a Sonic character, but it is apparently. He's called Megatox, and he looks like this. >> Oh, what the [laughter] What is that? >> I guess I hope that um we can see the live action version of that in Sonic 4 or something. >> Sonic 4. Yeah, maybe. >> Well, no, it's Metal Sonic, right, for Sonic 4. So, I guess it doesn't preclude. Yeah, hopefully we get Mega Talks in there, too. >> And yes, so they said, uh, celebratory dinosaur of the year, Spinosaurus Mirabilis, the second species of Spino ever found. And happy anniversary. There he is. >> Oh, yeah. That's a big spine. >> Cool. >> They pop up in a bunch of uh dinosaur media now. I think there were always an attempt to be like, "All right, we had the T-Rex, so how do we oneup him?" Especially in Jurassic Park 3. And then uh we ended up just going with the genetic engineering [ __ ] forever after. And then we got Pokemon entries 400. A river damned by Bibberel will never overflow its banks which is appreciated by people nearby. And so this is the EAB 400 Pokemon. Number 400, I guess. Bibberel. >> I know him. >> He's an evolution of Bof. Yeah. >> I mean, I like him. [laughter] Bof is funny to me. He's a bit of a goober. >> Bedoff. >> Well, it's just, you know, Zigzagon on its face, I don't think tells you much about like his usefulness [clears throat] or lack there, but Bof is just like, yeah, that's that's the name of a [ __ ] Pokemon. But, but he's a very useful Pokemon just like Zigs are good. He can uh you can give him all of your um it's the TM moves, right? Those are the like surf and and stuff like that, right? Yeah, I think so. >> Yeah, you always need one of them. >> Um, yeah. And with that, I suppose that wraps us up on EAP 400 and its messages. Uh, what can I say other than >> thank you all so very very very much from the bottom of all of our >> dark and decrepit and tired souls [laughter] >> for you know amazing just just all the like the fan art and stuff that we are going to get to more of eventually but just uh supporting the show as you guys have watching obviously all the different [ __ ] that we put out. It's been kind of crazy, but it's why we're still here. And um yeah, thanks for interacting. Thanks for letting us know what it means to you, cuz it means a hell of a lot to us as well. And um >> yeah, >> you know, sorry it's taken a while to get to different things, but um it's all going to get very cleanly and flushly wrapped up with a load of things being uh delivered to you hopefully promptly. 2026 is going to end on quite the bang, I think, for the EFAP sort of stuff. It's been pretty good so far anyway. But um yeah. Anything else you guys want to mention? >> No. >> Well, all right. I'd say that's about that's about that. A six-hour EAB super chat catch up. Nice and small. [laughter] >> Nice and mini, huh? >> Nice and bitty. Um, thank you all very much. Tulip. Cheerio. >> See you later everybody. Bye bye.