EFAP #401 - MAULER LIED - He Doesn't Even Watch The Films He Reviews

I like how this after [ __ ] after 400 episodes there's still a hesitation for me and when I hit start I'm like is it about to just completely explode on >> it just I like the title of this episode. I love I love the capitalization of Ma lied >> you liar. >> Everyone always like titles that way now with all these response videos. It's always really cringey and the whole debunking and um the absolute worst >> debunking makes it seem like it's um more than what it is, which is I disagree. >> Well, I disagree and I recorded me in my room playing a video game reacting to it, which is why can't you just say it's that? >> No, it's debunking. It is a scientific breakdown in which we are assaulting these very disingenuous pieces of sophistry and damning them to the hell they are a very internet brain activity. >> Yeah, he g a lied. I'm sorry. >> Doesn't even watch the films he reviews, which is a that's quite a claim to make under any circumstances really. >> Well, whenever they throw this a drinker, I'm always just like, "Holy [ __ ] that's impressive." Like, "Huh?" It's like, "How did you get this far without watching any of the films you review? How'd you do that? >> How did you get all of those specific details right if you watch the movie?" >> You guys were watching the movies and I was just [ __ ] going along with it. I was like, "Oh, yeah. I love when The Polar Beard uh does punches the thing." And you guys are like, "Yeah, that part's great." I'm like, "Oh, thank God." >> Lying and doesn't watch the films. >> Like, is it not possible that someone could just have gotten it wrong? >> Why is it always that they lied? We used to be a real country and we used to be able to say that about each other. We used to be able to say I think you're wrong. >> I just think you got this wrong. I think you might have missed something. I I think that you're misinterpreting this. Not you came into this with mal intent to pursue some sort of agenda and I'm going to debunk it. >> Racist. >> Somewhere like three or four years ago in EAB, I started talking about how much I hate like there's like I wanted a word for it, but I just don't really have one. But I got it down to like motivation mining. Everyone's always trying to find some kind of horrifying thing that's going on behind the scenes to explain this in a way that's way more interesting to tell a way more interesting story instead of just saying, "Yeah, they reviewed a film bad." I think >> I uh I am fascinated by this in various forms trying to make the world more interesting by essentially it and twisting it. >> Yeah, kind of. Well, it's just, you know, it's just funny. I mean, I think the world is plenty interesting as it is agree without all of these crazy tales that people need to spin about it. >> I went on several podcasts uh talking to people who either loved or thought this film was really good. We didn't need to call each other liars. We didn't need to be like, "You have an agenda. >> Chill out. Just chill out. Calm down. >> Just chill out. It's all right. You know, you'll be fine. >> That's It's okay. You know, it's okay. You're going to make it. It's going to be okay. >> Is okay, you know. [laughter] >> Welcome back everybody, of course, to EFAP, uh, episode 401. We are past the anniversary. >> Uh, we all got our sleep. We're all back to normal now. >> I don't know about that. >> No, I've lost it all again. [laughter] >> Not yet been recharged, I'm afraid. >> I I don't know. I could say that. >> Well, I mean, we tried. That's the important part, isn't it? >> My goodness. >> Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, there is that. >> It begins uh or continues year nine of EAP. We got 50 episodes for you. Start with this one. [laughter] I'm sure we're going to get through them all pretty quick. Don't you worry about it. My god, the end of this year coming up. We we sometimes have little little meetings. We talk about what's going to happen and sometimes we're like, "Oh, that episode we can do this or that episode we can do this." We've It's all like taken. all the spots. Everything's going away. >> Yeah, it's it's looking pretty packed over the next uh the next few months. There's a there's a lot of stuff. Wolverine is out next week. >> It's coming out trailer. Wow, that was Yeah, no lanterns. Man, that's been a conversation starter, hasn't it? That's been a wacky one. Everybody trying to figure out what the writers actually think about the episode that they wrote. >> Oh, luckily they don't make it hard to find out what they think. We get [laughter] to know. Makes it hard for some people though. I'll say that. Uh but you know, >> I mean, you got a lot of video games that have been sort of squeezed in September, October to get out of the way of Grand Theft Auto 6, which is coming soon. >> Yes. Yes. >> Is it? >> Yeah. [snorts and laughter] >> Yeah. No, it's like two months, two two and a half months. It's coming. It's >> They postpone it like five years again. >> No. No. I don't think that's I don't think that's happening. And whatever that means, if that means that it's not fully there by the time that it's out, I think that that is what would happen if if the alternative was to delay it. But who knows? I mean, it's been in development for >> a long time. So, you know, it's it'll be coming out, right? There's that. We got Doomsday coming soon. That's on the We got Rings of Power season 3. That's that's coming out right next to GTA 6. [laughter] Oh man, >> it is time to return to the rings of power. >> Merry Christmas. >> Going to be [ __ ] good [ __ ] I I I'm sure we're This is going to be where they turn it around. I think season 3, judging from the trailers, >> they have an orc who writes poetry and is friendly now. So, you know, >> remember in the season 2 coverage, we kept asking where's the orc that writes poetry? And I guess finally we got it. So, that's pretty cool. We got everything else from them except that's the only thing that was missing from the show really. We had the the orc wanted to take care of his little family and his little orcling baby. >> We had the gravy ladle that the orcs used for >> the gravy ladle. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> That's going to be great reminiscing and going back through those two seasons. I'm not going to be extremely bored in any way whatsoever and annoyed about how awful it is. No, >> I'm I'm not going to be annoyed about having to actually sit through all of that to get prepared to talk about this show. [laughter] This show that's releasing four episodes at once right about when game of the decade is coming out. >> That was really mean of them. Seriously, >> that is going to be apparently 80 hours long. >> That's what Rockstar said. 80 hours single player. [laughter] Yeah, that's a that's >> long man has been challenged >> a lot. >> God, >> I mean it it doesn't even really cuz you know next year like at the beginning of the year there's still like games and stuff coming out. La coming out in February. Fable is coming out in February >> I think. >> Yeah. >> Do we get any any uh word on if Waldri is returning in season 3? We we all track the actor's Instagram and everything. He's kind of >> I think they're keeping that a secret. That's kind of like the one that makes on their wraps. That's going to be the big for me. >> I always ask and I know the answer, but I just I have to know every time. I have to I have to make sure he's mentioned. It's kind of sad. Um I still think it was a mistake what happened. It was probably like a result of uh contract negotiations. I know he had a lot of leverage after the first season being the guy who made Moroy. He could probably ask for a bit more money. But uh I think it was harsh what they did to him and I'm hoping it was just like a setup for a better story. So, we'll have to see. Um, yeah, we also read the the Doomsday leaks, so we know we're in for that. Uh, well, broadly, obviously, all of it could be a lie. We don't know. >> No reason to. >> I don't know, man. Like, the the more absurd it sounds, the more likely I think it is. >> That wonderful moment as well, where like you're first watching the trailer and suddenly realizing, oh [ __ ] no, that's they're true. It's all true. >> Oh, no. That's the that visual. that person. >> I know. I think I think the ultimate one is those Superman ones. Holy [ __ ] It was so accurate. It was so and and you and it's like but this is stupid. It's like Yep. All the more reason to all [laughter] the more reason to think it's real. >> Two things that stood out to me I still remember very strong memory is uh saying they bully Superman online by calling him super [ __ ] I remember being like that's >> there's no way. >> That's like so specific. >> Lex Luthther stores his ex-girlfriends in a pocket dimension. And I'm going be like, "No way." >> But that's the thing. It's like that's so specific. That's so specific and neurotic. Like >> that's that's got to be real. >> That's how you guys will know when it's, you know, when it's actually good. That's when it's false. >> When they say something makes sense, we're like, "Wait a minute." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like this relatively straightforward sort of hero's journey thing. It's like, "No, no, no. That's motion. >> No. >> Um, >> no, no, no. >> But of course, [laughter] we can't be getting to all that new and wonderful and amazing [ __ ] yet. We're still dealing with the radiation sickness of a certain spider film that came out. Platoon, what a what a wonderful video you just popped out that I was doing a bit. I was brushing up on my Spider-Man by watching that one, you know, before this. >> Thank you. >> You know, like, oh, I remember how awful this was. Great stuff. >> Yeah. And I sort of said to myself when I started like it's not going to be a massively long one. I'd like to get it out reasonably quickly. >> Yeah, >> that didn't work. >> Somehow it did work for me. Uh that's the fastest I've gotten a video out in a long time. Um and you know what? It deserved it. That that film is uh really a big stinky piece of [ __ ] And um it was fun seeing you. You went through a lot more obviously than than than I did. I made a short man. I I'm still experiencing shame to this day for having not ripped into more of that film. But you know what? I can make up for that by one telling people to go watch your video and two checking out maybe some people, you know, I mean I mean I you know we cannot hide it any longer. Guys, I lied. I didn't watch Spider-Man brand new home or home new day. Damn. Damn new. >> Damn new. >> That explains >> um I guessed all of that video and uh I showed Fringier and he was like, "You haven't you haven't seen the film?" I was like, "No." And he was like, "That's that's crazy. You got you got a lot of this accurately." And I was like, "No, I went strict strict off the poster." That's all that's where I went. I just assumed >> um I got really lucky with guessing the names and the plot. But maybe I didn't get so lucky after all because apparently someone has noticed. And uh I'd say it's it's GG for me at this point. Um so I thought we'd do a stream where we check this out, have a little look see. And I correct the record on a lot of opinions. A lot of people are saying Gruglia Gruglia, he may yet have his time. We we got to got to do some consolidating. There's been updates on all kinds of things that relate to his uh wonderful crowd. But no, this is a completely new fella, one I've never seen before. Anyway, and um someone had said someone's made a 55inute video debunking your your Spudman takes. >> I like say I like the way that you're saying it. It makes it debunking. [laughter] It sounds very Canadian. >> I just uh >> I mean, we were talking about it earlier. I just find it cringey the whole like I have debugged you. Like what do [laughter] you >> Well, yeah. Like I declared that I have won the argument >> like all right start out confident I like it and you know you should I guess or something. >> I don't know if I do. Oh >> okay. Well there you need a little I think the world might need a little less confidence in in various [laughter] in various cases. >> Even stringy is no longer supporting this. Um >> even me. Yeah. >> Even Yeah. You know, I I've brought up before, but it still reminds me of that community joke uh where they're they're both in the showers talking about the rules on the tribunal season one if you remember Fringy. And uh there's a dude in there who's taking a shower and he walks past them. I think he's like naked and then he just stands there and looks at them and uh I think uh one of them says, "My goodness, you're confident." And then there's a pause and then the other guy goes, "You shouldn't be. [laughter] Um, >> what a good show that was for three, four seasons. >> Yes, but not season four. >> No, you got to skip that one. >> Um, so, like I said, we're going to jump right in. As far as I know, this is both a response to my video and even possibly pieces of EFAB. So, you guys have got the spotlight on you sometimes, too. When I say you guys, I'm not just saying Fringy Nuts and and Platoon. I'm saying you chat. You might even be on screen. Yes. Run in fear. Run in fear. It's too late. >> Chat, you're famous. >> You've been exposed. You've been debunked as well. >> So, um, yeah, without further ado, here we go. [gasps] Um, so build up money, take out bad guys, and then slowly make something of himself instead of skipping us to >> possibly the most advanced AI we've seen in the movies up to this point, most advanced spider suit we've seen up to this point, and uh, technology that he not only understands, but can facilitate to >> print suits, print essentially stock tech in his room and edit his own DNA. >> So, um, >> yeah, >> that's crazy that all that is true. >> That's just all all true. [laughter] Correct. Yeah. Observations totally accurate. >> I'm not sure you can even counter what I said there cuz I said possibly the most. And obviously I'm I'm citing DNA editing. I don't think we've ever had an AI that can compete with DNA editing up to this point >> that can depower any superhero, not just mutants who have literally just emerged in this story line, but any power. >> Um I I covered my ass. I said possibly. I don't understand how you can say I'm I'm going to be wrong on that statement, but also that was from Not even my video. But that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. >> But also like why was that the intro with the the Oblivion music? >> Well, I got another question for you. >> Why did you crush us into a format when EAB already you don't >> 4x3 with uh with VCR CRT effects? >> Yeah. Why is it? >> Why' you put the text? That's That means you're artsy. That's That means you're artsy. If you do something in 4x3 to like emulate a CRT like TV, stream in in a format that goes directly onto YouTube with the like the ratio you've got right here. So you could just put up directly the video and then if you wanted to site exactly what stream it is, you could even just do that with like a little label. You didn't need to crush us. >> Also like you should have black bars on the side if you're going to do this because this just looks stupid. >> How dare you? It's colorful. [laughter] Facilitate two >> print suits print. Also not so you said yeah in the clip. I think he's debunked that so sorry. >> Oh yeah. [ __ ] Oh goodness. Nice try. Guilt by association. I'm also a liar. >> God damn it. Tech in his room and edit his own DNA. >> So, um, >> this is not the most advanced Spider-Man suit or AI in the MCU. >> It might be. It can edit DNA. I don't think [laughter] you can say it isn't. >> You can created a machine that can edit the DNA of like any superpowered person. >> Yeah. >> When did Jarvis do that? >> Or Ultron. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, he couldn't do that. When has Vision done that? >> Yeah. I don't This what I'm saying like it's not even um it's it's not even like a huge sticking point. Well, I guess it supports the whole idea that he's in he's got better. >> Well, this is this is a weird starting point. I will say cuz like this isn't this isn't even like like why would you pick this as the thing to to sort of begin uh of how of how stupid you are? [laughter] Well, >> I don't know where they're getting that from. I said the DNA thing. I said it. >> Come on. >> The AI thing can also like print microchips. Like [ __ ] it can do so much. >> It's ridiculous. >> His dude has a digital like heads up display that shows him like a whole bunch that like has access to a whole bunch of information. He is Peter Palanteer. He has eyes everywhere. And >> those those pieces all put together is why there's there's a fight on which one is the most advanced. I get that like he's been to space with the Iron Spider, but I don't that's like a different branch of the technological >> kind of advanced. I don't Yeah. Like I don't know why we're saying that or something >> to have space suits in what ' 60s 50s. So >> yeah, exactly. So the nature of what advanced and also like even if he wants to say that it isn't the most advanced, it's still way more advanced than would be implied by the sewing machine at the end of No Way Home. >> Yeah. It doesn't really they don't pick up one after the other. And you can soften the claim and you can just say it it's too advanced as opposed to the most advanced. And the substance of the criticism still holds. Um, and even then, like, okay, maybe it's not the most advanced, though, as has been mentioned. No, nobody else has [ __ ] around with all mutant DNA before, but it's like it's the most cost effective and space efficient version we've ever seen. It doesn't like, you know, it doesn't have Stark Tower powering all of it. It doesn't have the access of the world's richest person behind it, and it can still do all of this [ __ ] >> So, it's a bit overpowered, >> you know. we see in um in Far From Home, right? When he's on the ship with Happy and he's got like the big machine that he uses to create it functionally. What's the difference between that and the stuff that he built himself with a box of scraps in his own apartment? >> It's the same. There's a crazy 3D printer that also creates microchips that can literally depower the Hulk. >> I still I just can't get over you can attach it to people and it can change their DNA. That's that's um that's some crazy [ __ ] science. And it works on any it is universal everybody in these words in the film. Well, that's so so Bruce says you're talking about an inhibitor that will work on anyone with any powers. >> So yes, presumably it would also >> as you said platoon, the important part is just how advanced it is. Whether or not it's ultimately more or less than any other suit isn't really the point that's important. >> No. >> So where would you like to take me tonight? I I put a >> Stark Industries AI, I think. Uh what's the name of the girl in in >> Karen? Oh, no, no, no. I mean the new one. >> Oh, the new one is um uh [laughter] it's gone. It's just gone. >> Well, the new one is in >> which >> people saying Friday. I'm talking about Oh, it's >> E E I think >> Spider-Man. Okay. >> Yeah. And then the last Stark one in in Far from Home is Ed, isn't it? >> Edith. The glasses are Edith. >> Karen's the one in Homecoming. >> Friday is Tony Stark's last one. The one that replaced Jarvis. >> Remember how iconic Jarvis was? >> Oh, he's great. >> Yeah. >> And we can't even like remember her name. Whatever the [ __ ] it is. >> Well, some people in chat got it first after. >> Yeah, >> he's a bad [music] guy. >> Hacker located. I don't know why you would site GPS tracking is hyper advanced. >> Yeah. I mean I mean obviously the the the retor is again Peter Palant here has access to like every camera in the city. >> You can do more than this. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Plotting force to intercept target. >> Hey suit lady. What are they doing? >> Do you want to hear what they're saying? >> I can hear what they're saying? Uh yeah. >> Activating enhanced reconnaissance mode. >> What? Who cares? Who cares? Why are you even talking about this? I feel weird about like I don't know if this guy knows >> about like how long we've been able to you know it's it's don't worry about it like like even long distance hearing a starting point for debunking like why are we even doing this matter like none of this actually matters about which one specifically you want to argue is the most advanced. The point stands that it is incredibly advanced, which is well beyond the scope of what was implied at the end of No Way Home as sort of a back to basics >> boots on the ground street level Spider-Man. That's the point. >> Yeah. The problem with him debunking this argument is because he's not debunking debunking any argument because he didn't let you make one. We sort of we got the statement completely out of context of what you were saying. Probably were trying to claim this, right? made this. >> Yeah, that's fair. >> We don't have any context. Like, why were you saying what you were saying? You weren't just saying it to claim that, oh, it's the best AI we've ever had. >> Which it's like a fight over a specific citation with no understanding of why it was brought up in the first place. >> Yes. >> Why are we starting with this? Why? Why? The starting one is presumably meant to be one of the strongest. What are we doing? Well, and to be clear, I never say this in my video. Like, uh, I say that he's got advanced tech, but I never say it's the most advanced he's had in the MCU. That's obviously just a casual thought. And I've dropped a possibly on it as well. >> Hey, it says the brand new >> Stark's AI being able to do all this does not mean that Eevee can't do or Eve, whatever, can't do that. Also, we just never get to see that movie. Probably can. She can do more than GPS tracking on dots. Yeah, we know that. Um, Stark Industries AI is a borderline pointless thing to say cuz her AI is, like I said, edits DNA. She can do anything basically. >> Wall hacks. We're just talking about technology that allows you to see different visions through different materials. Like, that's not even I don't even know why we're citing that as like an immense ability that goes beyond science fiction or anything. >> Enhanced combat. It would be a feature of the suit as well, more so than just the AI, which is another inongruity in in uh Brand New Dave, which is that he has this mega AI. He can do this [ __ ] with the DNA trackers, and yet his suit is actually worse than any of the previous three ones in terms of its innate ability. But it's like, but if you can do everything that we the AI is shown doing in that movie, there is no reason he could not have just put this feature in his new suit except that they decided ripples were more important. >> Oh yeah, 100%. Enhanced combat mode. Yeah. >> Activating instant kill. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. >> Is instant kill. >> Is this impressive? >> I don't even know that that's >> This is not impressive. >> Yeah, that autos into attacking things around you to try and kill them. I I don't think that that's like low tech if anything compared to Spider-Man stuff. >> So like the the the claim that this is the most advanced AI ever. So it has a laser built in. Okay. It has a GPS tracker. Crazy. And it has a thermal vision. Holy [ __ ] what an advanced AI. >> Like I said, >> I can't cite all of the decades that we achieved these things as humans, but these are not as impressive as editing the superpowers out of people's DNA. >> Why would I need rapid fire? >> Would you like to see more options? You have >> Wow. His technology allows him to shoot webs in different ways. This means >> Yeah. >> I don't I don't know. >> 576 possible web shooter combinations. Oh, Mr. Stark really overdid it. >> Peter has seen the Stark fabricator on multiple occasions from between Far From Home. >> Yeah. Now he's got his own fabricator. It's smaller than this and it builds equivalent technology if not better technology in the case. >> It seems like he's about to back my argument actually. >> And No Way Home and is aware of DNA editing thanks to the experience that he got in No Way Home trying to cure the villains of their powers. >> Well, so that's individually specific people. He has to make one that's specific for every one of them. They're not universal. Yeah, >> that's very different. >> Drop in, folks. Because many of >> strap in. Wow. Drop in for this one. >> Put your seat belts on >> are going to boil down to just straight up forgetting MCU lore or just ignoring it for the sake of his agenda. >> My agenda. >> You have an agenda. >> It does make you wonder, right? What would the agenda be? Who's whose team am I whose team did I assist by making that video, do you think? >> The Chuds. >> But but a lot of Chuds like this movie. So like was there was there a Chud war over Brand New Day? Does that is that a thing that happened? >> I mean, you know, >> the Jean Gray stuff might come close to being a CH war. Maybe just to get ahead of it, it it is a uniquely unpopular opinion to say that basically every single thing that Marvel has made for the last seven years, including Endgame, is like dog [ __ ] Basically, >> very few people agree with that. >> Yeah, >> that's like not a that's not a very popular position to to uh to argue for. It's not a very popular position to to say that like Yeah. like literally every movie, TV show, including stuff like Deadpool and [ __ ] Wolverine was like a one out of 10. So if the argument is that like you know that that uh you or by extension like this podcast is like yeah man pushing that popular agenda just to make some money. It's like it's not a very popular one. >> So I don't know it's a fairly stupid one to go for I guess if it's purely cynical. It's also in so like I I I I do open bar and real BBC two shows in which I had a pretty unpopular opinion on Brand New Day that I had to have a few battles over. So I I Who's TB are who what's the agenda? When was the meeting? >> Uh >> the the um Brand New Day like got has been fought for pretty hard in a in a way that can't be cleanly sort of broken into to our obvious teams. That's just, you know, it's kind of what happened with Deadpool and Wolverine as well. Can you tell I hate that movie? >> I think I think you don't like it. I understand. Yes. >> I I don't know. It's just we're we're starting off strong. >> Yes. >> So, but but maybe he maybe he's going to open open uh our eyes on on how much of a lying piece of [ __ ] you are. >> Oh, hope. [laughter] >> Hello everyone. Welcome back to the That's Weird Bro YouTube channel. Today's video I am >> I think I know this guy. Didn't I think this was one of the two responses to my Superman video that was this even the worst of the No, this might have been the slightly better of the two. This might be the guy who at least made it like 5 minutes in and then I said, you know, 300 years of metahumans to account for and show in your movie. And then I think this is the guy who said no cuz the story isn't about that. >> So we could be in for some um some wonderful criticisms in this video. I'm distracted by his expression. It's like that's the sound I think he's making there as he's sitting there. >> Is that like a shock of he's my video is coming right for him and he's like, "Oh god." >> But I don't know what he's going to do with that keyboard. It's not plugged in. I guess unless it runs I I don't know. Maybe it's got batter. >> But I mean I mean what's he gonna type? There's nothing. I don't see anything written on the keys. >> He knows them. He doesn't need no don't need no symbols. He's he's old. >> Okay. No, that's that's why he's going cuz he's he's just over he's he's burn he's cursed with knowledge. It's overflowing. >> Do you think he has to lift the hoodie over the TV or the TV comes off to lift cuz the hoodie would stretch, wouldn't it? Maybe if he tried to get it around there. >> Well, also with the antenna poking out, it would it would just look kind of silly, wouldn't it? If you put the hood on, it would just >> He needs one of them uh zip hoodies so that he can without, you know, stretching it all when he gets, you know, just >> uh Yeah. I got myself. But hey, you know, none of this really matters at the end of the day because he's about to prove what a dishonest snake you are. You are >> I'm debunking this keyboard. It's very weird. It's a very weird [clears throat] keyboard. Like the right side of it is very weird. Why does it look like that? >> It's a specialmade keyboard. It's better than yours. It does more things like I mean that that is backwards, right? Because like the number >> Yeah, it has to be backwards cuz like why does it look like that? It's backwards. [laughter] >> Puts like the number the number uh pad on the on the opposite side. But you know what? None of this matters cuz again we're here to find out. >> Why is it drawn backwards? >> Sorry. I'm just [laughter] >> none of this it doesn't matter. We we He transcends your uh your the the coils of this mortal world. Like he he's seen he knows what's up. Look, that's why he's going. That's why that's his expression. >> Mer's newest [laughter] video, Brand New Day and Unbridled Rage. >> Hello. >> I think in this video he brings up >> Oh, he smiled for a little bit there. Did you see that? >> Yeah, he smiled a little bit, but then went back to [laughter] >> a lot of criticisms in which you need to effectively lie about the film. >> No, he found out. Damn it. >> Wait, does that mean are there any ones that were good though? Did I get anything right? Did I get one thing right? or at the very least be very very dishonest in your interpretation of the film in order to be able to criticize it in this way. >> Stupid. >> No, I'd rather be stupid than a liar. I think >> stupid. It has to be that you're either Yeah. That that you're Yeah. Essentially that you're just incredibly dishonest. >> I'm happy to play that game with him, though. That means that anything he gets wrong is automatically a lie. >> We'll see. >> That's right. >> See how many Should we do a lie counter? We wouldn't want to miss any now, would we? Since uh we're all very much caring about the lies, we'll be kind though. We'll be we'll be as nice as we were with uh is this supposed to be Alfred uh being the tipping point for lies with Ralph the Moviemaker? Okay, we're going to be we'll let you get some things wrong. But if you if you go too far, buddy, we're keeping good watch just like you were of my video. >> Do if you guys like this video, like everything I've got to say about the film or who [laughter] >> sell yourself once you got something to sell. Okay, buddy. Check out any of my other content. Make sure that you subscribe, share with your friends, and leave a like down below because all your >> He keeps going from smiling to shocked all the time. >> Yeah. >> Seems dictated by nothing really, those expressions, which is quite a fate to to to be sort of blighted with. >> Yes. >> Your expressions just change for no reason. >> Got to do what you can. >> Thank you guys for all the support that I've been getting recently, and I hope you all enjoy. Spider-Man: Brand New Day. >> What did you do to my voice? [laughter] >> Horrible. >> Is a [laughter] story about Jean Gray. A >> You sound like you're on low power mode or something. >> That was actually a um a not so subtle dig, by the way, at the beginning. The Spider-Man Brand New Day is not even about Spider-Man really, >> but uh >> yeah, >> that's okay. >> Trying to find her kidnapped sister. The DoDC or Department of Damage Control captured her sister. And so Jean's plan is simple. She will mind control civilians, forcing them. >> Now, I'm going to say it. This was starting with like the strongest salvo as far as I was concerned. This is the airtight how [ __ ] stupid this movie is. And to argue against this is really [ __ ] hard. >> Yeah. Jean Gray put an old granny inside that tank that's about to flip into this building that's about to crush people. Totally saved by Spider-Man being there. from you that she's like a janitor on the Death Star and she probably therefore deserved it. [laughter] >> So, of course, I invite anyone to counter this, but good luck. It's a tough one. >> To drive tanks into DODC correctional facilities, killing countless innocents. She will set off explosives within the tank to cause extreme damage to the building, killing countless more innocents and releasing criminals. She will use her mind control during the panic to reach a particular >> Has he has he sped me up or slowed me down or done something else like doubled me? >> I don't know. >> It sounds like kind of a reverb. >> He flipped my footage as well. He's uh very concerned. I don't worry. I'm I'm pretty good at copyright. I got you, buddy. >> Kill a member of the DODC that will eventually facilitate the release of Scorpion. She will then mind control Scorpion and have him attack a DODC data center. >> It's almost honestly hard to track all of this insanity sometimes when you lay it all out. It's just like what the [ __ ] is this going? What the hell? >> In the hope that she can ultimately discover the location of her sister. She could have instead definitely slowed down the director of the DoDC by gradually jumping through the facility, gain his memory of what happened to her sister while calling up any information she wants with his authority without endangering herself or anyone else whatsoever. Especially when knowing they have zero defense or expectation for this. Hell, she could have done it while he was >> I like this part of his video. It's all yours. It's good. [laughter] >> This is pretty good. Yeah, >> it's all just like Yeah, I would be so curious to see how how he's going to t like tackle this. >> And >> I think this guy is a genius. He found a new way to plagiarize like a completely different >> If only I miss the otter sometime. I don't actually [laughter] do. >> I do not. Jokes can't go that far. >> Have you lied, Mer? Oh god, >> that was >> I'm trapped with none the wiser upon discovering the truth. Unfortunately, these preschool level thoughts would end the movie immediately. So, we have to make her a titanically [ __ ] aggressively psychotic [ __ ] mole. >> Many of Mer's main for >> All right, here we go. Let's do this. >> revolve around usage of the X-Men character Jean Gray. Jean has no >> That's a weird >> X-Men charact like like as though I mean she for this film >> a lot of the criticism revolves around this X-Men character. Yeah. The one who's the main villain of the movie who gets a substantial amount. Why don't you just say that the criticism is about one of the main characters in the film? >> Also, I I shittle over Spider-Man. I have a whole section for it. >> Does that make Well, does that mean does that make it sound like it's too relevant? Like as if you're trying to talk about something that is tangential or sort of >> I think so. >> You know, >> like why you hitting on too much. She's the X-Men one. >> Okay. Well, she's she's main character. Um she's kind of the one who has the ark really. Like >> she has the she controls all the events. Spider-Man's just keeping up with her throughout the whole movie. >> Mhm. >> No reason to perform a pacifist route in order to get to the head of the DODC. A person who isn't physically at the location she is attacking in the film because she is not trying to attack the head of the DODC directly. She is attacking the holding facilities where she believes her sister is being held at. Incorrect. >> That's not right. You liar. You liar. >> No, that's a lie. Sorry, that's too blatant. That's not why she's at the facility. They make that very clear in the movie. She's there in order to get Scorpion moved to Belleview. And then she's going to go to Belleview to release Scorpion so that she can mind control him to get to a DODC data center to then search V-Max. And I sort of skipped that part fully in the in the assessment. I just said to find her sister cuz that's ultimately what Vmax is about. >> It sucks. But uh yeah. [ __ ] man. You got We did Did you even watch the movie, bro? Did you Did you even watch the movie? >> My gosh. >> I think you Mer, you didn't watch the movie and you made that up in your head and now you're like lying. >> Okay, but did all of you guys, meaning Fringy, Platoon, did you guys not watch the movie? Cuz you seem to be agreeing with me. So, what's going on here? >> We've all been exposed. We're all just now corrupt. >> Or did I film and start >> pushing the agenda? I made my own Spider-Man Brand New Day and showed all of you guys and tricked you into thinking it was the theatrical release and I was the one that was acting in all of it. I made all of it and and that was the film we watched just to trick you guys. It's elaborate, but I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past me. >> Doing this peacefully and through a specific chain of body hops to get to his office would not really satisfy her. >> Why? [laughter] >> Why wouldn't it? Yeah, I agree it wouldn't satisfy her because of her blood loss. Yeah, she's got serious [ __ ] issues, but she's also retire. Like, even if I think platoon, you actually said this in your video. Even for a psychopath who wants to kill people, she's very incompetent. Like, she could do it so much better, >> but she's she's not you can't just say she's a psychopath. She is stupid as well. >> But there's also there's two separate things which contradict each other which he's not spotted, though he's mentioned both of them. The unintended one is that she is an evil psychopath who takes joy in killing innocent people. That's not the movie's opinion, but it's what we're shown. But as he just says himself, she's doing all of this. He's wrong about this, but she he says she's doing all of this because she believes that those facilities have her sister in them. >> So why does like driving a tank driven by an old woman through the wall of a government [laughter] facility solve that problem and then blowing it up? Why would you blow it up if you thought your sister was in there? And why would you randomly send Scorpion to a different prison if you were after your sister? her entire plan, even if you accept his premise, which is that she's doing this because she believes her sister sister is literally in those facilities, that makes her actual strategy worse because she has a now a non-trivial chance of killing her sister in the attempt to save her. >> Unfortunately, you got two problems that you got to deal with with Gene, which is number one, her ability gives her unique access to knowledge, um, like kind of unparalleled. She essentially jumps into someone's head and basically knows everything about them, which means that she knows so much or can know so much by using her powers uh sensibly. And then the second one is that she is not she is not restrained like physically. The 33 foot thing that's like nothing. >> Yeah, >> she doesn't need to drive a tank into a building to get into it. She can just floop into people to get into the building. That's always an option that's available to her. She She's like so remarkably able to achieve her goals in a way that don't involve violence, but she chooses her because she loves killing. >> She just does love killing. It's a She is weirdly >> She's not a killer. >> Oh, >> she's not a killer. >> Oh, got it. Yeah, fair. >> Yes, the writer said that she didn't kill anybody even though she killed that dude by putting him in front of the taxi. >> And Peter said it >> is a young girl, incredibly emotional, and who was abandoned by her family. Oh. Oh, how condescending. >> I I know you love this one, Platoon. She was abandoned by her family. That's why she tortures old innocent people. You have to understand. >> Yeah, >> it makes sense. It's a through line. It's a really great through line. The writers nailed. How do we get her to the point where she can just toss random innocent old people into vehicles? Well, if you made it to her family are bad to do. >> But the movie even undercuts [clears throat] that cuz like well the first lines when they talk about the mother is no, she was a good mother until we changed. I was like, "So, what did you do to your poor mother [laughter] you?" >> Oh my god. >> There's some >> This is what ended up happening with Boogie, by the way. It's like when he started lying about everything, people started looking back like, "Wait, were you abused? Was your mother evil? Like, what did what did you do to her?" >> That poor mother. >> I know. who believes that a fascist wing of the government is going to persecute her and her family simply for the genetic differences that they have from. >> But that's not what they're doing. She's they're trying to get her off the streets because like her and her sister are mind raping innocent people in a park. Her sister even says or she's asked like, "Could you do this to everyone at once?" And she says, "Yeah, one day." >> Yeah. >> What do you expect the damage control department to do about that? You can't just let these people like go around free. There's another great example too of you just you just [ __ ] throat the whole movie's like POV or what you're told happened or the writer said happened instead of just paying attention. Uh a lot of people use the torture and destruction of what happened to Sarah Gray as justification for the rage that Gene would feel and it's like she didn't know about any of that. She just knew that she was captured after mind raping people >> which is fine. And even then, I mean, if she's choosing to kill people, innocent people, throw them in front of a taxi. Like, what what do you expect people's, you know, >> a lot of these people are very bad with empathy or understanding experience that's not their own? Because if you got mind raped randomly for fun by someone, I don't think you'd want them uh allowed to do that to everybody all the time. I think you'd start saying, "I think something needs to be done about that." >> Mhm. Yeah. That's kind of like a crazy loss of your autonomy, which we kind of value like as human beings. Like our society kind of rates that as kind of like the most important thing >> rest the human population while also employing superpowered vigilantes to pursue her and that resistance >> superpowered vigilantes. Number one, that's that's vigilantes to pursue her. It's just Spider-Man. That's a lie. I mean, they're not superpowered, but okay. At least not that I'm aware of. And they're not trying to pursue her anyway. When did the hand ever try to find Jean? >> No. And then uh Spider-Man doesn't even relationship starts literally after the tank thing. Like he is not like some frequent collaborator with the Department of Damage Control. The the whole point of the movie is that he's kind of like a bit at arms distance with them. >> Yeah. the introduction like they're showing him around the place and the techno that's like the first proper time that they've had a full connection. >> He's kind of he's kind of his own guy. I mean if anything he's got more of a connection to the new Avengers with his direct line to Yolena. >> He's got Skype >> and and also like why are we saying this? Like Jean must know that Spider-Man like helped save the universe. >> Yes, >> this is Spider-Man. Obviously people don't remember who Peter Parker is, but they certainly remember who Spider-Man is. And Spider-Man he just saves people. That's just what he does. He's kind of just like a power god, [laughter] like [gasps] you know, as far as the uh as far as the public is concerned. And yet she [ __ ] hates him to the point that she finds his old girlfriend and then tosses her off the roof and smiles as she casts her down to her death only to release her so that MJ, an innocent bystander, can realize that she's about to get splattered on the pavement. >> This is who you're This is like kind of who you're arguing in favor of, my man. >> So [snorts] weird. >> Isn't that a bit weird? breaks brains. >> Using her powers is the only way to get her sister back. That is the mindset that Gan Gray is in. >> Yeah. So, okay. So, the film said, "She did this because she did this because she did this." My criticism is that's not her only option. She shouldn't think it's her only option. She should absolutely do all these other things. And his response is she did it because she did it because she did it. >> Like, yeah. It's like you got to catch up. I've already >> Yeah. Like, I've already This is we've done this. It's like, don't you realize that this is a story where Jean is like a psychopath? >> It always when this happens because my questions aren't, you know, they're always they're always, you know, centered in a way that's trying to be like, why did the writers do this? And then you're like, the writers did this. >> It's like, yeah, no, I I know I know they did that, but I'm talking about why they made that choice instead of other choices that they could have made >> in this film. >> And I was like, that's the choice they made. It's like so why are we even talking about this? What's the point of talking about >> I don't need computer man to tell me this. I could have told myself this. So, you know, it's not hard >> performs the villainous acts that she performs. And I think that many people in their criticisms are being dishonest for simply ignoring that greater context. >> What context of the film says that it happens. >> Oh, she has a tragic life. >> Oh, >> her mom hates she has mommy issues. Therefore, she can go and kill people. That's the the the important context we're missing. >> The government is hunting people without due process. Mer does >> um she mind raped people. >> Yep. >> So they captured her and then they experimented on her and she died. I mean it I'm not going to I'm not saying that um they can do that to everybody and that would be morally okay or whatever the [ __ ] I'm just I'm just saying from her POV she knows nothing and you're using all of that as like justification. Her very much lack of knowledge. >> Yeah, man. Like they're being so mean to her. So, let me get this old lady and put her in a tank rigged with explosives and drive it through the middle of a busy city while she out of it that will hit innocent people. >> Control doesn't do this to any superpowered people who don't go around mass mind raping and potentially killing hundreds of people. Like they don't abduct Bruce Banner off the streets and experiment on him. They don't do it to anybody else. It it just seems to be the ones who are a massive threat to public security and safety that they go after, which, you know, you can fault the extent of their methods. Arguably, it's debatable, but you can't pass that as they're just going after anyone who's genetically different cuz they're fascist. Cuz that's not the movie. >> And yeah, that's just not happening. And that's actually a really good point. Um, please, and and we're making this really easy for you. Name one other person that DoDC have cruy captured before Sarah Gray or before Gan Gray. >> You can't >> you can't do that. >> It's not possible. >> On to say that the government has no defense for this, which is dishonest because >> unless you're going to go as far as signing [ __ ] like in Civil War, but I mean that gets into a whole other conversation. >> Department of Damage Control didn't exist yet. >> That's true. That's true. We see and actually the only reference we have cuz I'm pretty sure he got Department of Damage Control was in No Way Home and like Matt Murdoch was involved. That was that's his lawyer. >> So >> yeah, >> you know, I guess things could have changed since then, but I mean these are not things he's bringing up. And in fact, he said that you either don't know or have forgotten your references for our past MCU stories, >> which I wonder if I wonder if he's ignoring it on purpose. It couldn't be that he just forgot about it, which I wouldn't blame him for cuz it's hard to remember all this stuff, >> but maybe he's being dishonest. >> Of contingency plans and weaponry to use against specific people with powers, including their allies. Why is that bad? >> Normal and good that they have that. >> So b So Batman is evil for uh creating countermeasures to the Justice League. Is that your position? >> Is what I mean? There's a [ __ ] that people don't think about at all. >> He shouldn't even entertain it. He shouldn't even I mean in the case of in the case of this movie it's particularly awkward because Gan Gray as far as they knew until they found out that he didn't have an immunity which eventually he kind of doesn't even fully have could have mind controlled him or some other superpowered person who is a good person who wouldn't be attacking innocent people. And his argument is like yeah why would you create like a counter to that when you're dealing with somebody who could literally mind control superheroes into using their powers against you? Why would you want to create a counter measure against their powers? I mean that wasn't that Fury was kind of doing that in uh in phases like two and plus sort of because doesn't he build on in the first Avengers movie there's the the big tank thing in there which is there to contain the Hulk should anything go wrong. >> Yeah measure against Avengers team council has its backup plan to there's a whole Yeah. The clover is in the word counter measure. The narrative he's spinning here is that it's an aggressive measure. It's a proactive measure. They have built guns to take out Spider-Man and they hunt down people who are genetically different. But in that case, why aren't they hunting Spider-Man down? Why have they just got these things and never used them? Why are they only a counter measure if damage control is the evil department he's painting them as? Surely they would go after him immediately because he's genetically different and they have weapons to stop him. Instead, they have them just in case and they never use them because he doesn't do anything wrong. >> Yeah. And as was just mentioned, the the Hulkbuster. So that means Tony has to be evil. But these people will tell you that Tony is evil, but that Gene is innocent because of this weird thing that's happened now where everybody hates Iron Man. >> Yeah. So weird. >> The switch up has been uh intense considering he's one of the most selfless people at this point in the universe. >> Oh, he's a military industrious. Like, oh, that's weird. I thought in Iron Man one he shut down the weapons manufact. I thought that was something that happened in the first Iron Man movie. >> I thought that Tony Stark like literally killed himself to save the the like trillions of lives. Why are we forgetting about these things >> such as Spider-Man? Not to mention they have the reclaimed technology from previous MCU films such as Shocker's Gauntlet. And they likely have access to Tony Stark's technology given that many of it would have been repossessed after the events of No Way Home. >> Wait, I'm confused. Why is this a bad thing? >> Yeah, like I don't I don't What's even the point of bringing this up? Also, Rodie is possessed by a scroll and Happy Hogan also got prosecuted during the Mysterio trial in No Way Home, meaning that there is really no proper heir to Stark's technology outside of Pepper and that's wishy-washy whether or not that would hold up in court that his wife >> I'm What's happening? Where are you? Come back to me. Why have you done this? >> Why have you tangled yourself up like this? >> Come back to us. >> deserves to hold on to military grade technology. So, it is highly likely that the Department of Damage Control has access to Iron Man level technology that could pacify the Hulk. The belief that Gan has no >> What the What are we doing? >> Why would you Why would you even bring that up? Why Why are you talking about this right now? >> Reason to be overly emotional or aggressive in this film is also dishonest. This >> What do you How is it dishonest? That's my opinion. [laughter] That's what I genuinely believe. She's insane. She does not have the right considering her experiences to behave the way that she does. So, quit. Why you call someone dishonest for that? >> Central theme of the film regard. >> Oh, good god. Don't do this. Don't do the We're not having TLJ flashbacks. The reason why everyone does everything is cuz theme. It's like, no, you're not allowed to do that. You have to justify from character. >> The balance of power versus humanity. And Peter, >> I'm sorry. The central theme is the balance of power versus humanity. >> So, that is not the central theme. The central theme of the movie is, hey, don't like go through life alone or something. That's like the theme of the movie. >> Yes, you're beautiful. >> Don't be isolated. Yes, you're beautiful just the way you are. Make friends and stuff. >> I think the movie is absolute [ __ ] But that is absolutely what the central theme is. It's not >> it's not about the balance of this is not civil war. Okay. If we're not doing like this sort of, you know, grand sort of exploration of the world and and the the nature of how superheroes slot into it. >> Man, that's crazy. >> Yeah. Lied. Anybody keep I saw a few people in chat were keeping count. I think that's number three or four that we're up to. >> We'll leave it to chat. We'll do a poll at the end for the most common answer. >> Yeah, it's not that one. [laughter] >> Attempting to keep his sense of self while being consumed by newfound power and losing what keeps him tethered to humanity is thematically resonant with all of the >> I also I just I adore it when you like the theme is that she's a psychopath. That is why she's a psychopath. Like I see [laughter] >> Mhm. characters that, >> you know, they always hit me for the whole like, oh, you always judge character actions by what you would do in a in a scenario. You don't judge it by who they are. And it's like, neither do you. So, where are we at now? What are we doing? >> Mhm. >> appear in this film. They're not just meaningless cameos. Jean has been isolated from mankind by her family and now by the federal government. >> She was isolated from mankind by her. >> The weird >> state. How you can't know that. We don't know that. >> Well, it doesn't even make sense. What does that mean? She was locked in a dungeon cuz that's not what [laughter] appears to have happened. >> She's kind of out there in the world. Not only is she not isolated, she is uniquely capable of understanding the psyche of everybody around her. She can intimately know somebody just by jumping into their mind. And yet, she is still chosen to be a callous psychopath. >> And of course, anyone in chat, if you gain the power of Gan Gray, I wouldn't recommend this, but you can body hop until you find the person you're like, I want to be friends with this person. And I know exactly how to do it cuz I know exactly what they care about. I'll just bump into them. I'll show I'll mention something I care about that I know they care about and then we'll hit it off and we'll go have a coffee or something and that'll be there. I'll have a friend. >> She wasn't isolated by her family and the government. Like she chose not to make friends. So you lied again. >> It was a huge mistake too to say that Gene is afflicted with this sense that you cannot trust anyone in the world when she's the only person in the world currently outside of because they haven't introduced Professor X in this continuity yet. So she's basically the only person in the world who can say that she can know somebody in and out without their like they can't lie. >> Yeah. I mean she's basically the first telepath. We don't really have any like >> she can jump into a person and find out how much you can actually trust them. And if you want to tell me that she is the result of having done that meaning that everyone on earth is not to be trusted like categorically. That's >> that's a weird that would be a weird theme for this film that's meant to be about not isolating yourself. It's quite cynical, you might say. Um, so, you know, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to pick one of the flaws there. >> It is incompatible with the actual theme of the movie. >> I don't think she's a character enough to have trust issues. The way she's written, she's just like, "Oh, I want my sister. Where's my sister? >> I want to avenge my sister." >> People are saying maybe Wanda, but like I'd say even Wanda's like m I don't know if Wanda would >> wonder telepath. Could she could she like learn their whole history though? I mean it's not really important but you know >> okay it it doesn't matter that much but yes maybe one but like Jeans is quite unique. It's like loop into their mind knows everything about them. >> Jean is our character to show the journey of isolation from having lost her mother and then her sister and she says like you can't trust anybody. [ __ ] the whole world blah blah blah. And it's like she's uniquely able to know that is not something that's true. >> Mhm. Yep. But but bear in mind when she flumed into the Punisher who has massive amounts of trauma, she kind of just thought that was funny. >> Yep. Huge [ __ ] up. >> When she flumed into when she flumed into Bruce Banner, who personally risked his life to save trillions of lives, she's just mocking the fact that he has like a dual persona that he has to grapple with >> while just gleefully ruining his life by wielding him against innocent people. This is who Gene is. how >> your response is like >> disappointing the writer's response would be if you took this to him considering the [ __ ] about the whole like not killing anyone >> like you know for a fact they would say well it is funny though like like you know that like oh he's got issues. >> Yeah, it is funny how like the Punisher has like post-traumatic stress disorder. >> Oh wait, no it's not. that [ __ ] clip where he's like, uh, we have to make it so that the Punisher can walk between the sets of, you know, one more kill, one last kill, whatever the [ __ ] that was called, and Spider-Man. Like, we cannot breach the character in any way. This like you're making fun of his history. >> Making fun of the fact that he has post-traumatic stress disorder, >> making fun of the fact that his [ __ ] wife and kid were killed, that all the people he saw die in war. Like, I I don't >> What are we doing? Maybe can't even like have the excuse of forgetting because it has a the only punisher moment in the entire film is basically that there is a one exchange where he even says, you know, if I had one chance for the people I love to be alive again, would I be hiding behind a mask? No. It does that and then this then it goes on to say, oh, he's got issues. Lol. It's like ah [ __ ] that's just >> Yeah, >> she's kind of evil. And she out of everyone uh she has the most particularly unique sort of um sort of position with Punisher to be uniquely sympathetic towards his history with his family considering that he she herself lost her sister. >> Has lost. >> Wow. This guy's got issues. Anyway, let me use it to plant bombs here and then get in and then kill these people inside this vault. >> And is doing things her sister would likely find unsavory to try and >> unsaavory would likely I I I think it's I think it's hilarious that you say that she would likely find it unsavory. What does that say about her? >> Exactly. >> I mean, let's be real, probably is the result of Sarah that Gene is the way that she is. I'm guessing get her back because she genuinely believes that she is alive and captured. In the same vein, the Punisher does terrible things every day as a penance for what? >> Oh god. So the Punisher kills evil people. I don't know if you know that. Like Jean's not killing evil people. >> Jean is is harming innocent people. >> Why do we keep doing this? >> Jean made an an innocent guy walk in front of a taxi to get crippled or killed. What the? >> Sorry, but that's what happens in the movie. Punisher done [laughter] some. >> Oh yeah, that's what the Punisher would do is just push it all. It's not like in the most thing the recent thing we saw with The Punisher, he avenged an old man who had his dog get killed by this like loser douchebag. That's what Punisher did right before this movie happened was he avenged someone's dog. >> The two, the old man and the old woman, you're never escaping it. The writers [ __ ] you. You can't do anything about it. >> Happened to his family that they would also abhore if they were here. But he views this as a sin. >> We have equated the Punisher and Gan Gray by saying their family may not like the things that they do. Now that's how >> it's pretty funny because >> it's crazy. >> Like it's like Yeah. You know what I think I think what's entertaining is the fact that like he's not really in a position to understand what Sarah would think because she's barely a character. >> Yeah. >> Well, she would probably like it. >> Yeah. She Well, that's that's the truth. He probably would. Like, it's not even equivalent. Of course, Frank's family wouldn't be happy with what he's doing. Of course, they're like they were like normal. [laughter] >> If they were here and alive, he wouldn't be doing it. Whereas her sister, as far as she knows, is is alive. >> And yet, and yet she still chooses to do this >> sentence of things that he needs to do in order to make himself feel better. Similar to Peter giving into his uh obsession with Spider-Man in order to make Aunt May proud. What? >> What? >> What are you doing? [laughter] >> What are you doing? >> What's the similarity with with Spider-Man? I didn't catch that. >> Giving into his obsession with Spider-Man >> in order to make Aunt May proud. >> And that's equivalent of being a terrorist. >> That's equivalent to Frank Castle. That's equivalent to Frank Castle being the Punisher and equivalent to being a psychopath a tank through the streets of New York. Okay, >> you're being silly. >> You're being very Oh god, the Hulk is involved now. >> A monster born of rage and instability, but it is Bruce's humanity and intellect that allows him to find balance and that >> you are just saying things at this point. You need to reset. You need to go for abandon this point. You lost the second that you you tried to equate Gan Gray with the Punisher, Spider-Man, and the Hulk. You You're out. You're already done. is what Peter desires. He aspires to be more similar to MCU Bruce Banner that has gone through a journey over the last decade to be able to control this raging monster inside of himself. >> But so know the raging monster inside himself only it only pops up in this movie. Peter has never desired this because he's not had this problem before. >> Exactly. >> No. >> Yeah. Y >> and then he spends most of this movie fighting it until the movie says right now it's time for you to give in to the spider >> and like but it doesn't even work in the context of the movie because the movie tips its hand. It's like Hulk is a really good example of why you do not give into your exogenous DNA. Yeah. >> Because Hulk is a horrible traumatic monster creature that Bruce tries to suppress and the act of him suppressing it is what makes him good and tragic at the same time. is the fact he has to try so hard and will often fail but nevertheless tries to keep that side of himself in check. But because this movie has this theme idea in mind like in Spider-Man's case it would be the equivalent of saying no you should just Hulk out because that's who you are and that's what he does. He gives into the spider and everyone just assumes that's a good thing even though they have no possible way of telling that that's how it's going to work. >> It certainly wasn't a good thing but that it was I was like okay cool that's great theme or something. It isn't an inherently good critique to say that something should have been accomplished faster in a film. >> That's not what I said. >> No. >> So, yeah, that wasn't I don't think those words were ever said in that big section that he played from your video. >> You could say something could have been accomplished faster because Gan could have accomplished everything she wanted almost instantly, but that's not quite the same thing. >> She has goals and motivations. Her actions do not match the goals and motivations at all. It's not about I mean you can throw in that she could have done it all faster. Sure. Yeah. >> She has a very specific goal and she goes about it in the most ineffective and cruel way possible. >> Yes. And it's just such an easy sort of like just just give it >> and his response is that his response is that well she does. So you're wrong. >> Oh boy. [sighs and gasps] >> Because the film would be a less entertaining story. Oh no. >> No. >> No. You were the chosen one or something. >> What was he? >> No. [laughter] >> You weren't the chosen one. You weren't going to destroy them. But you still failed >> with less thematic resonance. If it was a 15-minute short film, >> it would be more boring and less themy. So, we can't do it. And even though this is the I don't know why we have to keep saying this with every one of these [ __ ] reviews, but that's writing. That is the problem-solving process of writing. That's what it is. >> If X thing happens solely in order to justify say an action scene and there is no character motivation behind it or no explanation that would make it make sense, that's that's called contrivance >> fairly well established is you know generally not a thing you should be aiming for. Also less thematic less thematic resonance. You know, >> the very problem with the contrivance is is undercutting. The whole point is that it's largely undercutting the thematic resonance of the movie to have characters act in the way that they do. >> You know, the the Flanders house that this the Springfield build him when it collapses, it would be like, >> "Yeah, >> yeah, it could have been more structurally sound, but then it wouldn't be as built with as much love. >> Doesn't make [ __ ] sense." You're like, "Um, no. I think we can have both actually." Is that crazy? That's just That's Yeah, that's a crazy thing. But I think we could do that >> of Gan Gray hopping bodies to get her sister back. It also just really wouldn't be a Spider-Man movie at that point. >> Hopping bodies is a funny way to put what she does in this movie. >> If fewer innocent people were killed, it wouldn't be a Spider-Man movie. >> It wouldn't be a Spider-Man movie if she had done all that [ __ ] in the prologue. Like, okay. Anyway, Spider-Man attempts to stop him. >> Oh, there's no reverb now. >> Oh, all right then. Fair enough. Once Gene mind controls MJ and tricks Peter into thinking they can be together again, only to reveal the truth and threaten to kill MJ if he gets in the way. All of that instead of simply telling Spiderman, the bonafide hero of New York, that she is trying to find her kidnapped sister. >> She doesn't. >> Good luck. Good luck. >> Good luck. Yeah. >> To be fair, it's not a surprise he's responding to this one. Loads of people have, and they've all [ __ ] failed. The standard response to my criticism that she uh should have told him is that she doesn't tell him because she doesn't trust him. As though I'm not criticizing that as though trust has anything to do with informing your enemy of a reality. Like I don't I don't even it's it's such a weird thing, but I'm assuming that's where he's going to go with this. >> Do this because even in the film she states that she believes that Spider-Man is a hypocrite who works with the DODC to hunt down people who are different. So that doesn't that's the whole again we're right back to that's what the film said I'm criticizing it and then you repeated what the film said >> like how do you not understand that is absurd Spider-Man >> this is not something that Spider-Man does all that the public knows about Spider-Man is that he just helps people all the time every day >> first like first of all uh I don't I I wouldn't get the logic why she or her sister would be harmed if a Spider-Man knew about it. First of all, if he was working with the government, he probably already knows about it. So, her communicating that information would just be redundant. >> What do you think he's going to do? Oh, well, thanks for telling me. Now, I'm going to go and beat her up. [laughter] >> Wouldn't you then you'd be able to argue with that? Shouldn't she say like, "I can't believe you helped them take my sister." And he'd be like, "Huh? >> What?" >> But no, we don't do that. And then, you know, >> I mean, I mean, clearly she trusted him enough because she eventually did tell him eventually. >> So why did she do that if she if she genuinely and truly believed that not only was Spider-Man not helped that he would act against >> she at the height of his likelihood of working with the DODC where he implants the thing on her to save me, >> that's when she tells him about the sister. So what sense does this make? >> Yep. Exactly. Sorry. You either lied or didn't didn't remember Mr. Mr. Man. >> Oh, no. He lied. That's horrifying. How could he? >> That's the face that he has when he when he's been caught out. >> He's been caught lying. Oh jeez. I think for the re-upload thumbnail, I'm going to put that little TV on the uh on the Spiderman. It'll be funny. [laughter] elf. The film calls this out from her perspective to make it look like hypocrisy so that the audience can understand her flawed point of view and her limited perspective of information. >> There's only so flawed that your point of view can get, by the way, before it just becomes ridiculous. >> No, I'm sorry. There's no correlation between I do not trust you or I do not like you and not telling you about the evil that you've done >> if you truly believe it's him. Also, I've talked about this before and I I'm pretty sure I mentioned this to you, Frank, a couple of times. Um, I really regret using the word bonafide because clearly nobody knows what it means. >> Yeah. >> Um, and I don't blame everybody for not knowing it beyond like contextual clues or something, but he I don't think he's not addressing bonafide and I'm realizing like yes, cuz I should have used a different [ __ ] word. Um, Spider-Man is categorically a hero provably. There's nothing about it that you can deny. You can't be like, "Nah, you have a cynical view of him. Nah, you believe he works." It's like, "No, no, no, no, no, none of that. He's all very publicly a bonafide hero." The worst you could think of him is he's mistaken because it wasn't it wouldn't make any sense. Why would he put all this work for so many how long has he been going now? Like a decade. >> Uh, basically a decade. Yeah. I mean, >> a decade of putting his life on the line to save innocent people in every context ever. He is a hero. The best you can say is Spider-Man, why why are you working with the DOTC when they kidnapped my sister? Why are you doing that, Spider-Man? And then the problem, it ruins the film because of course he'd be like, "What do you mean? I would never do that." It's like Spider's response is like, "Yeah, that's right. That would end the movie in like 15 minutes." It's like, "Oh, you do realize this is all made up, right? So, you can just like make up new stuff to make the movie longer. Like, you know, this isn't real people, right? You can just sort of like change the story to make sure that it is a two and a half hour. That's kind of like your job as a writer is to figure that out. >> Someone said yet he did nothing to stop Kingpin. Hious [laughter] >> he was busy with like >> he was so busy. >> He was fighting >> big potato stuff. >> Yeah, >> we need small potatoes. >> He was fighting tombstone man. He was fighting Scorpion. He was fighting Tarantula Ramro. He was busy. It's crazy how Daredevil didn't see any of those guys either. He was doing doing pest control. >> Yes, >> he genuinely thinks that Spider-Man works for the DODC directly. >> Yeah, it doesn't matter if she genuinely thinks he works for the DODC. Still tell him this. >> Similar to how the hand >> Also, we went over how that makes no sense. He started quote unquote working for them yesterday. Yep. >> He plowed the tank into the building. >> Yes. >> Do Gan eventually decides to mind control Bruce Banner. This leads to the release of the Hulk, the destruction of another building, and the almost death of Spider-Man. Meanwhile, she mind controls the Punisher to break open a security system in the hopes of finally discovering the location of her sister by confronting the director of the DODC. Again, something she could have done day one without harming a single additional person. And it would have been way easier, too, because he was just sitting in his office. But then when she does it later, he ends up in the [ __ ] vault or whatever. >> Mueller presents this while depriving the audience of the context. This is after she had attacked multiple DODC locations, >> right? How does that was in my criticism that is that is in that's what >> that's a part of my criticism. I couldn't have I couldn't have lacked that context. It's needed for my criticism. So, I don't know what you mean by that. >> Yeah. I mean, we even saw it before. It was in the clip from earlier. Sorry, but also what >> what what is what is your angle here, Mr. Mr. TV man? >> Is after she had gotten a vision from her telepath sister related to something called V-Max. >> Yeah, she's been searching for V-Max before the film even starts. >> Yeah, that's before the movie even starts. >> Yeah. What does this have to do with the point that's being made here, which is she mind controls Bruce Banner, a hero, and unleashes the Hulk, which puts heaps of people's lives in danger, while enacting this plan to get to a person she could have just gotten to by flooping directly to him because she already knew about all of this stuff. She already knows what V-Max is. She's known about it for since Yeah. the beginning of the film. >> I don't know what this has to do with my >> Does he not know that or has he or is he lying again? [gasps] And this is after she performed a cyber attack to search for what V-Max was in DODC servers as well as hopping into the bodies of multiple people. >> Why are you getting so excited? Like as if you've got a really good point. >> I already brought like obviously I didn't bring up V-Max specifically, but I've already brought up the Moro [ __ ] like blowing up DODC. Why? Why are we pretending like I didn't? >> No idea what V-Max was up to this point despite them. >> No, wrong. Well, well, she doesn't know exactly what, but she's known about it since the be before the movie starts. >> DC, it was a natural evolution of her thought process from trying to save her sister directly through violent terroristic actions. >> What? [laughter] >> Whoa. >> So, you agree? So, you agree it's the terrorist actions? >> Holy [ __ ] man. He's going to he's going to come around like a year from now and be like, "What the [ __ ] was I smoking?" [laughter] like violent terrorist actions to save my sister from having been kidnapped but not really captured because of mind ra Oh this is all yeah it's a bit weird is it >> to believing her sister was being held in a facility so secret that people in the federal government didn't even know about it >> rehereral is also isn't this backwards isn't she attack he said it's a evolution of her thought processes from violently and terroristically attacking two believing her sister was being held by the federal. No, she was surely she was violently terroristically attacking because her sister she believed was being held by the federal government. That's the motive for doing the violent terrorism. The violent terrorism doesn't lead to the conclusion that she's being held in the facilities you were already attacking. >> I've also noticed a pattern of he'll eventually just sort of wobble his way back into just stating everything the film says is true. >> Yeah. There's no like dealing with analysis >> and it was only referred to by a code name and then needing to then go after the head of the DODC himself. >> No, that's something you do from the [ __ ] day one. That's what I said. Why are we still >> He hasn't got the whole like he doesn't he still doesn't understand what the criticism is. The criticism is that she should have done that straight away first of all without like randomly hijacking old women to drive tanks through government facilities >> just go after the head of the doc because you could have done that with the knowledge she had before the film started. >> Like if you're looking for VMAX and you think that it's in some way related >> to your sister, you don't need to like go on a computer to find out what it is. The guy that's in charge will know what it is or not. in which case then clearly it's, you know, then you find out it's your red herring. Like that's the problem that he needs to deal with, which is why wouldn't she do this from the start? And if your argument is, well, she didn't know. It's like, what do you mean? What what do you mean? What what exactly do you mean when you say that? >> To try in a lastditch effort to save her sister, who she still thought was alive, and that he had the only information in order to find her. That's that's a crazy thought to have believed the head of the DODC might have information relevant to the DODC kidnapping your sister. I wonder why she only had that thought as a lastditch effort as opposed to the first thought you may have that she has the capacity like we're still at square one. He's just not dealing with it. She had no reason to believe prior to the start of the film that going directly to the headquarters of the DODC and finding a way in without endangering herself or getting captured and then both discuss. >> This is so bad, dude. Just to break it down, he's saying first, she had no reason to think going to the head of the DODC would get her the information regarding her sister from regarding the DODC having taken her sister. So, that's insane. Like, you you've lost your mind already because that's a direct connection. There's every reason to think that. Secondly, he's talking about how dangerous it is for her to go to DODC. Uh, she's crashing old women into DODC facilities and blowing them up. What do you mean? What are you talking about? >> The movie tells us that she hits four others. >> And remember, she's she's immensely safe because when you drag other people into the business for you, like you can always just ditch and they'll never know where you are. >> Yep. >> So, what are you talking about? Like, what movie did you watch? And she certainly says like she has no reason to believe this would work before a So so why did she ram a tank through the wall? >> Well, to get Scorpion to get to the data center, then the data center revealed that she needed to go to Mezca because she couldn't Google who the [ __ ] head of the DoDC was. >> No, [laughter] >> just to be clear, just just to be absolutely [ __ ] clear, you don't need Google either. You just like I can't believe we have to explain this every time. You're Jean. You're sitting in your apartment or whatever. You're on the street. You don't need an apartment. You're just sitting down. You go blimp into some random civilian who's walking past. Whatever. Walk over to DoDC headquarters cuz that's going to be very publicly known. Bloom to a guard as you know 33 ft. You'll be fine. You could even walk close to the building and walk him back out. Whatever. Then walk around the building, floop into another person until you floop into someone who knows who the head of the DODC is and where he is. Then you go to him, floomp, you get your information. You can even command them all to kill them or start killing everyone cuz you're a psycho. Whatever. I hate you all. I'm going to kill you all. But going into his head also gets you, oh [ __ ] you killed my sister. [ __ ] you. I hate you. And then shoots, you know, himself or throws him out of a window and it's all done. The film's over and nothing else happens. Why wouldn't she have done all of this? Why would she do her insane plan that just causes innocent people to die, doesn't get the information she wants on time, and makes herself a huge target for people like Spider-Man? That's the core problem with this movie. And you've only ever managed to keep repeating what happens in the film instead of talking about why they're not doing any of the reasonable things. Like she's insane. Or thematically, she wouldn't. That's all you got. Leads the DODC as well as taking over his body would be a more optimal or time efficient than just breaking her sister out of prison directly. Also, again, I have to say stories are not inherently better because they are shorter. >> The ones are >> That's your argument. >> That is your argument. Shorter stories are better. That's your argument, Mhler. >> I don't I just that >> the story is inherently better the shorter it is. >> He sure punched that ghost real hard. I You got him. >> This movie >> The argument is the movie should be shorter. uh because like unless the character is [ __ ] If the character was not as [ __ ] as she is, the movie would be shorter based on the knowledge that she has and the knowledge she can gain and the means by which she can gain it. The only reason the movie is as long as it is is because she is [ __ ] It's not to say that the movie would have been better had it been shorter. It's to say you need to write a less [ __ ] character to justify the runtime. >> Just artificially be better if Gene would have tried to go after the head of the DODZ right at the beginning. It would have just slightly faster. >> Slightly [laughter] think it would. It's not even just about the faster. It's about the insane ripple of effects and events that would not happen as a result that caused so much trouble for everyone, including many innocent people. But thankfully, through those events, we get to know just how sadistic Gene is. >> And she probably still wouldn't have done it directly anyway because she was looking after V-Max. >> Uhhuh. You don't even feel fully settled on what your opinion of the whole thing is there. her. You can always reddraft. Spider-Man neutralizes her. She is captured and eventually becomes all powerful, holding countless innocents hostage, surely killing several more to then mind control their hand into attacking Spider-Man to the point of having someone stab themselves through the I don't see anyone talking about this. Obviously, people who talk about it excluded. I'm being hyperbolic, but barely anyone talks about the ninja that she had stab himself in the gut. Yeah. Mhm. >> They always reference the old man getting hit by the car, which is fair. And they'll reference the old woman in the in the in the tank, but this is still pretty [ __ ] bad. The belly just to hurt him. Spider-Man defeats them and reaches Gene, who then threatens to kill the entire city if Peter gets any closer because reasons. >> Jane is the antagonist of the film. And [laughter] >> you know what? I agree. She's also the horrifying villain. Sith, I did notice that >> does villainous things due to the way that she has been treated and how hopeless she feels. There is >> I don't know. I don't know how to deal with this. I like catch up. My criticism is on top of this already been said. >> Is no nonviolent or non-confrontational method for anyone without her powers to go about getting her sister out alive. So that there is no non-confrontational method for anyone without her powers >> to go about getting his sister alive. Therefore, it follows there is a non-confrontational method for somebody with her powers to do that. Something like I don't know her. >> She is her. So yeah, that's crazy. That's great. Why don't we just have her do that? >> I need to remind you again that her sister was illegally detained. >> No, she wasn't. >> No. Sorry, you can't mind rape people. And that's explicitly why they grabbed her >> without due process by the federal government who are then internally covering their tracks by deleting documents. >> Yeah, they didn't do a very good job of that, did they? >> Very ineffectively given they left [clears throat] all of the incriminating information available. >> That shit's so funny. >> There. Therefore, Jean Gray is allowed to illegally detain the entire [ __ ] New York City. >> Yeah. Yeah. What about her killing and detaining and torturing? We're going to talk about that as a Well, to be fair, theme. Come on. What about the theme? Can Can we talk Can we defend Mezer on theme? Meer was uh he had a really bad childhood. Okay. [laughter] >> You have to understand me had a girlfriend who left him or something. Come on. >> This conflict in the way that you are in this video feels like anti-mut propaganda. According to watch anti-muted propaganda again >> I I Okay, we'll wait for him to say it again cuz that's funny. >> her powers to go about getting her sister out alive. I need to remind you again that her sister was illegally detained without due process by the federal government who are then internally covering their tracks by deleting documents. portraying this conflict in the way that you are in this video feels like anti-mutant propaganda. >> Anti-mutant, >> bro. >> I don't know. Terrorism seems like anti-mutant propaganda. >> That's unhinged. She's talking about it like there are mutants like like like they're real. >> Maybe they are. >> I I just want to be clear. The best propaganda to commit people to an anti-mutant position is a movie called Spider-Man: Brand New Day. I don't know if you've seen it, >> but uh it does a brilliant job to the point where I stand by the He should have just played my statement in the videos like I think I think Striker may have had a point. I'm I'm just saying. Uh >> you know what? And Brian Cox, >> why is he saying like though? >> He's saying like your video is like anti-mutant propaganda like in the real world as if mutants are real. If they're not real, you know, >> we're all secretly bigoted against mutants. That's what it is. That's the agenda. We're mutant phobic by noticing that mutants are impossibly dangerous and according to this film should all be locked up. >> I just don't know what to say when it's like, are you pro or anti-mutant? I'm like, all right, let me figure this out. So, who have we got? [laughter] It's like, well, Sarah Gray, who randomly mind raped people, including just children in the park. It's like, well, I'm anti that. Yes. Who else we got? Gan Gray. Way worse. Basically, rape Hitler. And you're like, uh, well, >> rape Hitler. [laughter] >> I am against it. Yes, I am anti-mutant then. And they're like, "Wow." Like, "What the [ __ ] is wrong with you?" You're like, "Okay, well, you know, when we introduce a few more dice mutants, uh, maybe I'll be chilling." Wasn't um, am I right, Fring? Is is uh, Miss Marvel a mutant? They just haven't been official about it. >> She actually is. >> No, I think she is. I think that was Wasn't that confirmed? cuz they um in the Marvels when the is it when um what's her name from Bond Division goes to recruit her and she pulls up like a a little data pad thing Monica that's the one she pulls up a data pad and on that data pad I'm pretty sure it says that she is a mutant >> okay so Miss Marvel's like okay >> she's pretty she like helps people and stuff >> yeah so I'm not entirely >> so that's that's one out of [laughter] three. One one of them is kind of okay and and then the other two are psychos. >> So, we're not doing great on the ratio. And um I'm just it is so amusing to to be like this is propaganda for me when I'm just describing what happens in the movie and how bad it is. >> Yeah. Even he even he described what she did like >> he called it terrorism. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Is it Oh, I don't I just I feel like he's not thinking this through. Is that a crazy assumption? Maybe. >> You are sweeping for Striker. [ __ ] yeah, dude. [laughter] I'll do it again. >> Jean Gray in this movie has all the moral fortitude of a damp [ __ ] ham. And so Peter allows her to explore his mind, meeting his memory of Aunt May. May tells Gan that it is your most important responsibility to remember you are special. You are beautiful and people love you for you. I've come to kind of hate this by the way as the >> you've come to >> yeah the more so at first I was just like this is stupid and uh of all the things to because to an extent self-esteem is important but I've come to just only understand it in the context of Jean specifically now and so I do kind of just hate it like telling her and and the fact that it matches it does have some bearing on reality like she's an immense narcissist so telling her like please stop killing people you're so amazing beautiful and powerful and wonderful The fact that that makes it go, "All right, fine." It's like it almost works in a really [ __ ] up way, and that's why I kind of hate it even more. Like, you you have to disarm the insane ego-driven narcissist psychopath by telling them they're amazing. You know, keep doing that otherwise they might hurt you. >> This is so manipulative from the movies movie side because Aunt May would never say this to her. Like, she never said this to her. This is not natural. It's just Peter's projection, right? But it's it's like you're holding a dead woman hostage. Yeah, >> it's kind of awful in the force ghost of Aunt May has to say this to stop her killing more people and she could just be sleeping alone in the grave. >> Not because you are special. This reassurance of Jean's beauty and incredible nature convinces her not to end the life of the cruel bastard that tortured her sister to death despite the hundreds of civilian corpses it took for her to get to this moment. >> Uh Mer again deprivives his audience of context for the [laughter] >> Here we go. >> All righty. Let's see if you get it this time. See if we got the lies. >> This moment in the film. Jean did all of this to get to this moment. What? >> What? >> That's a statement. Jean did all of this to get to this moment. >> So, all of this stuff that you just explained. >> So, I want to be so [ __ ] clear. I just said, and I was obviously referencing The Last of Us 2, she passed through the corpses of thousands of innocent people to learn about being good and thus not kill the evil [ __ ] This to me is very stupid. His response is, "Yes, she did go through all those innocent people to learn not to kill the evil guy. You left that context out, Mhler." >> Okay, >> that's like my point. >> And Peter assures her that killing him won't bring her sister back. >> That's crazy, man. >> I I like that he assures her of that. Like, hey, did you know that it's not literally going to revive her? She's dead and killing him literally won't revive her. He needs to assure It's just funny the way he says it. He assures her of that as if that's something that she genuinely thought was possible. >> Why would that convince her of [ __ ] anything this character? Why, >> agitating her and then Peter encourages her to look inside of his mind. Jean >> describing what happens in the movie. He keeps doing this like like my argument isn't that the film what it presents is stupid and he's like yeah but it presents it. >> They challenge and then he says he says this as though I didn't mention any of it too when it's what I'm responding to. I can't not mention it. >> Previous in the film she could not go inside of Peter's mind. However, upon being let inside, she has an interaction with a kind motherly figure, Aunt May. >> Extremely convenient if you think about it, by the way. >> Yep. like the the memory of Han Solo appearing to forgive [laughter] Kylo Ram. >> What a great moment that was >> that tells her exactly what she has always wanted to hear. Even >> this what I mean the narcissism, you know what I mean? Like she just needed someone to tell her she's beautiful and special no matter what and never forget it. But in the flashback earlier in the film in the park, it is visually established by Gene constantly looking over at the random woman with her child that she feels a yearning for the love of a mother in her life that >> Oh, Jesus. >> Mommy issues. Goodness gracious. >> You sure that wasn't a yearning to just mind rape people? That's what that scene was. I'm just saying, [laughter] keep it in mind. The >> the movie doesn't ever She says the mother was a good mother until we changed. >> Yeah, >> she had a mother. The movie never says what exactly they did when they changed. But if the mother was good, then they changed and so she got rid of them. Kind of suggests they did something, doesn't it? And also like I I don't really buy this idea that you can just forgive any action taken by anyone to any extent if you can then wcon in some sort of mother issues or daddy issues thing. But I can believe Gene doing minor criminality because she'd felt alone. Fair enough. Maybe Jean throwing random old people in front of taxis and then saying, "Oh, but my mom though, that's not that's not enough. It's not sufficient." >> Why? And you wonder what the limit is for these people. How many people would she have to throw in front of a taxi before this guy was like, "hm, this is a bit much, I think." Yeah, maybe. I think 5, 10, 100,000. >> Whole city. >> Have to be more than that, isn't it? Considering the third act >> actually cares for her in that moment. In Peter's mind, he provided to her what she always needed to hear. >> That she was beautiful and perfect and awesome. She's unfortunately >> stupidest rock. >> The unfortunately the arc for a lot of female superheroes is telling them they had it all along. They don't need to do anything. Don't worry about it. You're great. >> Unfortunate. >> Also, what a strong female character. A male rescued her. >> Ooh. With his memories of a woman. So, it wasn't even the woman that did it. It was his memories of her. Ha. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. causing a change of heart. If you can believe that Vader's soul was redeemed when he tried to help Luke against the Emperor. >> Uhoh. >> What? Where are we going with this? >> Even though the Empire conducted countless genocides under his watch, then you have to be thematically understanding what the film is trying to present with Gan Gray's conflict. >> That was an interesting switch over there. It sounded like he was about to say, "If you think that, you know, Vader made up for his failings, then you have to agree that Gene did." Instead, he switched over into you have to understand what the film is trying to present. >> Yeah, >> I understand just fine what the film is presenting. >> That is interesting as a switch up. But I mean, it's a deal with it. Number one, there is a conversation to be had about uh about Darth Vader, the nature of his redemption >> a million times. If he tosses the Emperor and he's fine, he and Luke make it down into the [ __ ] hanger, they get out on a ship, they land on Endor, and then Vader's probably like, "Listen, dude. I think I'm I I should I think I'm gonna I'll just Luke's like, "No, no, no, no, no, no. Come on, come on." Like, I'll introduce you to to to everybody. You can meet Lelay. He's like, "Ah, I don't know." And then if he actually started talking to So, Hard would be like, "Hey, you're under arrest." He's like, "What do you mean?" He'd be like, "You got to go to a tribunal." Like, "Well, I defeated the Emperor." It's like, "Yeah, but I mean, you got to answer for all the war crimes, bud." Um, loads of characters would not let Vader get away with it in any way, shape, or form. I'm not even sure if Vader had lived that he would have allowed him. He would have gone into like exile probably. >> He would have been like, "Yeah, [ __ ] this. I'm [clears throat] >> the fact that the force decides, hey, force ghost body." It's like, >> hm, >> okay, [laughter] you know that. >> You can only speculate like how Vader would act afterwards, right? Like how his redemption would >> he dies. >> Yeah. Yeah, that closes the door essentially. >> Like if you assume that he was completely redeemed, right? And he's on the good good guy side and he's completely rational now, you know? I mean, he would want to be in like electric chair. Like you would wish to not live with this. Like you would want to have repercussions, which um >> it's just so funny that >> even he like backed off from a direct comparison and went instead to you have to understand what the film's doing. It's like my whole video is I'm taking issue with having understood what the film thinks it's trying to do. >> Mhm. And I mean, you've got a big problem to deal with, which is that um that that the film's perspective is that Spider-Man got it wrong about Jean. He says that multiple times. We were wrong about everything. It's like what do you mean? We like what does that mean? And and obviously the the point of the film is you misunderstood. You thought she was the villain, but it's not that simple. Whereas in the case of Darth Vader, he was the bad guy. He was the bad guy who needs to essentially do the the heroic action and the heroic self-sacrifice. There's no confusion there. But this film does believe like it doesn't think that Gene should go to jail. It thinks yeah, Gene just kind of needs to go off and do a bit of soularching and then she gets to live a nice comfortable life from this point onward. >> The exact equivalent would be if Luke just before they get to the elevator to go up to meet the emperor says to Vader, "You're not a killer, Dad. [laughter] >> You're pretty. >> Get on that ship. go go to the go to uh go to Tatooine and live a quiet life as a farmer or something and he's like you know what I will and then he does >> like take Vader's mask off and he's like oh you're pretty >> and then [laughter] you would need conversations where it's like you know what we were wrong about Darth Vader it was all the emperor's fault not Darth Vader's fault >> he like jumps into uses the force to jump into Luke's mind and for some reason sees Padme and she's like Vader you've always been so beautiful and just remember [laughter] your responsibility. Remember how beautiful? >> I forgive you. >> He's like, "Why are you calling me Vader?" And she's like, "Well, I I mean that you you prefer that name, don't you? Do you not kid?" Yeah. Okay, fine. Had a kid. >> This is also not even mentioning that Gan Gray is not the worst person in the MCU to be. >> Why are we even What are you doing? >> Why does it matter? >> They're on preaches worse than Gan Gray. It's like, well, you know what? I don't think I give a [ __ ] >> Let's do [laughter] humanity for the first Hitler wasn't the worst person alive. >> Interrupted. >> No, no, you're all good. I'm going to roll it back. What were you saying? >> No. I mean, you could even argue Hitler wasn't the worst. [laughter] >> You could argue Stalin was worse. >> So, we That's the That's the problem. He's He's going to start skewing this as like, "Well, you forgave Vader." And I'm s You're like, "I'm sorry, what?" He's like, "You forgave other people." the MCU are like, "Wait, what? What's happening?" with Gian Gay's conflict. This is also not even mentioning that Gan Gray is not the worst person in the MCU to be forgiven for their crimes against humanity. Loki from the first Avengers movie laid waste to New York City, triggering an alien invasion and wanted to conquer the Earth. He betrayed his family in the process, yet was redeemed in the end by Thor, forgiven by his brother, and was made into a multiversal martyr. Sorry about this, mate, but you've made a mistake again. Uh, Loki died. >> He died. >> Vader died. >> Jean is alive. >> They die. That kind of that just changes things a bit. >> Did I miss the scene where Thor explicitly forgives him for decimating New York? I thought we thought the point of Ragnarok is that Loki has started to get on the pathway and there's an uneasy truce. We're not sure exactly how it's going, but the Asgard is so [ __ ] that we need all the help we can get. We don't know how that would have gone ultimately war. He essentially commits to the heroic action and he dies. >> Isn't there um a line in uh at the end of Ragnarok about like how it's going to be awkward when they arrive at Earth considering what Loki's done? >> There probably was. I can't remember. Am >> I crazy? chat, help me out. I could have sworn there's something like that and like Thor's like, "Well, you know, we're going to deal with that when it when we come to it," sort of thing. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Like he's got he's got work to do. Yeah. >> This film doesn't think Jean's got work to do. >> A lot of people >> a bit of soularching >> or some thought to either way, he dies. The reason why it's important that he dies is that we don't get to answer that question. We don't know how it would have gone exactly, >> but at the very least, the last action is committing to a heroic action. Same for Darth Vader. The last thing he does is commit to a heroic action. >> An action that kill gets themselves killed is always gonna >> gets them killed. So ultimate self-sacrifice. >> A big proof of their uh their point of view, their actions. >> There's a reason why a lot of stories do this. It's just a pretty effective way to to to sort of handle that uh that of of a villain redemption without having to essentially deal with the less glamorous long-term consequences of that heroic redemption of like, yeah, you're going to jail for the rest of your life or whatever. Um, there's only there's there's very few examples I can think of and there's one that I know that Mhler and Nutser as well will be thinking of of uh essentially having to deal with the character, getting to continue to be a participant in a story after >> they've done >> essentially having to commit to the long-term consequences of villain, which is you going to jail, but finding a way to essentially move them out of that to become an active participant in the story without feeling like you're undermining >> the uh the consequences that that character would and should be um dealing with for the choices that they made. >> And let's just say >> you know what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. Um we could probably say her name. It's not going to matter. Platoon will forget it by the time he gets to that story. But point being um it's an annoying thing for for you as a writer to have a character you enjoy writing for and is really great for the story. The idea you're like, we have to put them in a [ __ ] prison for like 3 years. Like I don't want to do that. What? >> A few people have said Zebo, which is actually a good shout as well. Goes back to jail. >> He chooses to go back to jail. >> And that is nonspoilery, but yeah, a lot of people have guessed exactly what we're talking about. So, like the it's annoying. It's a commitment and it's uh it shows restraint on the writer. I think that you can actually commit to she does the time sort of thing is kind of cool. >> And she's not done with the time. She's simply, and this was said in the uh I think Gary made this point in his video as well, you could have done the exact same thing for Jean, and then with the arrival of certain events, you need Jean. >> You're like, please, we're going to have to, you know, please help us. And it's like, okay, you know, she's technically still doing her time in a sense through that, but no, >> is he seriously about to mention Abomination? Are the subtitles lying to me? Abomination is a violent mass murderer and Hulk level threat strengthwise who turned himself into a public speaker and a wellness expert in >> Are we actually citing >> She-Hulking She-Hulk? >> We're citing She-Hulk. >> This beloved character that you were able to forgive. You were able to forgive Abomination after you saw him in She-Hulk. But you can't forgive Jean. [laughter] >> I just I just think like if you ever get to the point where you're defending anything by saying, "Yeah, but in She-Hulk it." No. [laughter] No. >> Oh boy. >> It's It's like citing Elmer as an expression of your philosophy. Just stop it. Quit YouTube. Leave the internet. You've embarrassed yourself. [laughter] >> I'm waiting for the Madame Web shout out. >> Oh yeah. >> She Hulk. The Kingpin was the mayor of New York City for crying out loud. This universe's civilians are nothing but cattle. They're easily [laughter] >> they get tossed around is what you're saying. Is that what's happening? I uh >> why did he bring up King Kingpin? >> He he brought up Kingpin to say that in the Marvel universe, even the dumbass civilians still give second chances to horrible monsters like the Kingpin. >> What the [ __ ] are we doing for Kingpin? >> This is bizarre. >> Like, look at these cattle. These not like me. I'm above the cattle. >> Did he mention a fascist government earlier? I feel like he's um he's signing up. You know, these are all they're all just cattle. We can do what we want with them. Okay. It's our choice. >> Cattle. So what we're doing right now is just saying, "Hey, Gan Gray is not the worst person in MCU." And citing every single person that has ever done wrong in MCU >> voted for Kingpin. >> Oh boy. >> Which is pretty stupid, I will say. Um, but that's that's the MCU's fault that they wrote that. I'll tell you what, if you were tasked with having written uh or having to write Brand New Day and that they say like you can or cannot do whatever you want with the continuity of um Born Again, I'd be so [ __ ] annoyed. [laughter] Jesus Christ, you've locked me into having happened and that Spider-Man can't be a part of it. >> Thank you. Thank you so much. >> Some people and forgiving others. Honestly, pretty comic accurate that to >> Oh, don't give a [ __ ] >> Don't cap. >> Nope. >> Don't cap. I'm tired. >> But if you if you do give a [ __ ] then you ought to be offended that comics are being used to justify terrible, terrible writing decisions. I would have thought you would have more respect for them. >> Yeah, >> the people in the X-Men comics and real life. >> Spider-Man: Brand New Day is a tangled web of flaming chimp [ __ ] Frank Castle, the Punisher, begins the movie by shooting Spider-Man with a grenade launcher. Something that can kill him considering a bullet can. >> All the regular people would know about Spider-Man in the MCU is that he is incredibly strong, helped defend the Earth against Thanos, and previously wore suits that were embedded with Iron Man technology. It is not inconsistent for the Punisher to believe that Spider-Man would survive this. They're best friends now because they have an offscreen history going back five years to an event on Staten Island. These these are not people who've only just encountered each other. They've known each other for ages. >> Yeah. He's appealing to like common knowledge of average people, not like people have a relationship. >> Isn't this [ __ ] insane? >> Why would we even bring this up? The whole point is like, dude, Punisher just tried to like kill Spider-Man. He's like, >> nah, he knew that that wouldn't kill him. It's like, oh, >> but we just went over how it can. The reason why the reason why he knew that it would kill him is because all the world knows implying that they don't know much. All the world knows about Spider-Man is that he has a suit that's pretty good. >> I just think he's been to space. Therefore, we can shoot him. If he's been to space, we can shoot him. >> All All that we know is that he's gone to space in a in a suit. Therefore, it is entirely consistent that the Punisher would shoot him with a grenade launcher cuz he knows it wouldn't kill him [laughter] because all we know about him is that he has some good suits or something. >> I just want to say I like his brain's melted. I don't know how to help him. I almost need like no logic here. It's It's like totally Sans's logic. This kind of funny to me. >> I almost want to take him through extremely slowly. It's like, do you think the Punisher can know the grenade launcher would not kill Spider-Man? I assume he would agree. He couldn't know that. Like, right. So, why is he shooting Spider-Man with a grenade launcher? >> Yeah. He's willing to chance that it could kill him just to get him out of his way. >> Spider-Man. >> I just >> cuz he fought Thanos though. Thanos almost physically choked him to death physically. >> I stand a grenade launcher. >> He decided to bring that up for some reason. Like, that was a point that he decided to bring up. Also, if everybody knows this, then why is Jean's plan to hit Spider-Man a few times via the hand with some shock sticks? Surely she knows that wouldn't work. If everybody knows a grenade launcher won't kill Spider-Man, I'm assuming a grenade launcher packs more of a punch than a human wielding a little baton. So, why is Jean's grand plan if she knows that it won't do anything to just hit him a few times? And then, why does that really really work and hurt him to the point where he's basically beaten by a few people? smacking him around a bit. But a grenade launcher, no. I >> again, these are easy sort of you just you just have to be like, "Yeah, that was probably [ __ ] stupid. I'm not sure why they did that." But no, you instead have to say like, "I'm pretty sure the Punisher has concluded that he absolutely is able to tag it even though he absolutely can't." Like, okay, >> the reason why [laughter] he's able to conclude that is because all the world knows about Do you understand like why that's infecting my brain so much? Like all like, why did he say that? Um, all the world knows is not much. Therefore, the Punisher absolutely would know that this wouldn't kill Spider-Man. It's like nothing about that makes any sense to me. >> Especially considering that Frank is personally aware of Peter's proficiency in combat against armed >> Sorry, you can't make that argument. That's only ever going to help mine. The more that Frank knows him, the more he should know not to fire a [ __ ] grenade launcher at him. >> Mhm. [laughter] opponents. We know this from the Staten Island references. >> We what? We We know that they know each other well because of Staten Island references cuz if they say anything other than Staten Island over and over again. >> Frank also decides to drop several tons of metal on an innocent civilian three times. Now, this um I said to Fringy when the final version went out, there was a line here that I needed to re-record and I regrettably when I re-recorded it didn't include one thing that was in the original one, but I'd like hit like my table or something, which was that Punisher mentions like Punisher makes it clear that he knew they were there cuz he comments on how Spider-Man did in the process of it. However, me not mentioning that element makes this a honey trap now because loads of people are like, "You fool! Punisher didn't even know they were there." It's like, unfortunately, he acknowledges it. >> Yeah, he he absolutely did. >> So, go ahead. Do the same response everyone does, which is Punisher didn't know cuz he did know because he is at this point akin to a particularly cowardly brain vacuumed Mr.ing Bean. Mhler is misleading in how he discusses Peter and MJ setting off Frank's booby traps in his secret hideout. >> All right, let's let's try it again. Let's see what we got. >> Misleading. >> Yes, I am. >> As he established that as some kind of intentional act of violence Frank is performing upon them for the sake of making the Punisher in this movie look more poorly written. >> No, just that he's aware and he lets it happen. He doesn't try to get it in the way. He doesn't say stop. Don't do it. Don't move. He just lets it happen. He doesn't give a [ __ ] and unstable. Even though it is obvious that these are like booby traps that they are setting off like you know inside of his home and it is logically consistent for the Punisher in this universe to be hiding in a booby trap warehouse. >> I didn't say that it's logically inconsistent for the Punisher to have booby traps. I don't know why he even said that. Who you fighting? >> Considering he's constantly on the run from criminals that would want revenge on him as well as well the government who was previously looking after vigilantes. >> Dude, stay on topic. Holy [ __ ] >> That's also a >> just stay on track. >> Also weird, isn't it? Like the they set up for the government >> just just feels odd. >> Yeah. Like does feel weird. But I mean he decided to go down this this >> he took us here. We didn't need to go here. But Eddie's saying it's justified because of the way the government look after vigilantes. Do you know what Spider-Man is? Do you know what the Punisher is? You know what Batman is? Like I don't know you're saying it. Is it because it's the hand? The the you know the hand are evil, right? So it makes them with very weird. >> It is only logical that he would be setting traps around his home to protect himself. >> Yeah. Still waiting for you to get to my actual point >> given what we know about Frank's character. And no, this is not an intentional act of violence he was doing against Peter. He actively warned him about other traps to try and help them. >> Frank, >> was a weird delivery, but no, he uh >> he's done. He's finished. He's the the wobble off the screen. That's that is the that is the end of his point. >> Like I said, lots of people slipped over this one. Go watch the scene. Frank knows what's happening. >> Decides that when battling the Hulk, he will use flashbangs, explosives, guns, and his patented [groaning] as though he has no idea. It would only make the [ __ ] Hulk angrier >> as opposed to what? >> Leave. Go away. >> You're no good here. You can't. >> He's only a liability. Leave. >> Mhm. >> The super soldier. >> I mean, he proves to be a liability. He gets mind controlled by Gan. So now Gan can actively pursue her plan while Spider-Man has to deal with the Hulk. >> Yeah. All he does is [ __ ] everything up. >> You can't stop Hulk and you can't do [ __ ] to Jean. You're not going to be able to you like he can't he can't shoot her cuz Spider-Man won't let that happen. So, what's he going to do? Tackle her? He can't do that because Indie gets mind controlled, which is exactly what happens. There's As opposed to what? Leave. >> Just get the [ __ ] out. >> Get out of here, dude. >> Super soldier serum and Iron Man armor that the Punisher was supposed to bring. >> Are you okay? >> Why' you [laughter] [clears throat] >> Damn, dude. >> Wow. Mhler, didn't you know the Punisher doesn't have Iron Man armor? Yep. Yeah, I knew that. [laughter] >> The Punisher's only gear are weapons and tech. He's not a superhero. >> Listen, listen to him, man. He's mad. Had to take a few deep breaths. >> We talked about, by the way, uh, every video can be longer forever. And it's part of the reason why mine are so long, or at least the longer ones are so long, is I do a little bit of accounting for expected really stupid counter arguments. It's getting to be um a bit it's bordering on like killing my patience for this [ __ ] >> The lesson to be learned is don't do that because you can you can caveat you can caveat to the ends of the earth and people will still misunderstand you. >> Like I should, you know, should I have said in my video >> the Punisher should just leave the building because him being there is only a liability with all the options we have. I know he doesn't have an Iron Man suit and I know he doesn't have super soldier serum. He only has the tech and weapons available to the Punisher that we've seen. Therefore, he needs to leave. If I said >> response to that would be the Punisher. So, this is this is Mhler deliberately leaving out context. The Punisher has come to help Spider-Man. >> He has come to help Spider-Man with the whole we see in this movie. >> It's thematically resonant that he would come and help Spider-Man. And so, yeah, how much of this should I just [ __ ] you know, >> if he didn't come, if he didn't go and help Spider-Man, he wouldn't have been mind controlled by Gan Gray and Spider-Man would have stopped sooner. And it's not inherently better for a movie to be shorter, as Muller has argued in this >> and it wouldn't be a Spider-Man movie at that point. So, >> exactly. And upon arrival, he immediately uses technology that he finds at the DODC headquarters to try and help Peter. >> But he's just saying what happened in the movie again. He's just he's lost. >> Get away from the hole. >> Doesn't know how to get back. >> Recall once more that the DODC is actually a government force that is intended to contain and potentially kill superpowered individual. >> Get it. >> He's just wandering around. [laughter] >> But that makes Punisher's plan like what if he hadn't just stumbled upon a case full of grenades that for some reason have the ability to knock telepaths out of the Hulk's brain? What was his plan if that insanely lucky situation had not materialized for him? >> You know what could have been cool is uh if in this scene he had actually effective Hulk anti-Hulk [ __ ] and that you find out he'd actually prepared it because he always wondered what would happen. >> I thought when I first watched it that that is what had happened. When I first watched the film I thought so what he he came with those I didn't see him pick them up out of the box from the damage control facility. So it's like, well, I guess at least he has a means of fighting Hulk. But no, it's actually worse than that. He just finds them. >> Yeah, he just finds them. >> Tools. And they would definitely not take kindly to their gear getting leaked. So it would be even more nonsensical if Frank showed up with somehow stolen DODC tech. >> I'm glad you've nailed this, Straw Man. Like, who the [ __ ] are you fighting? >> Phantom right now. This is You're fighting a ghost. Also, wouldn't it be insane if somebody stole the DC Tech? That would be mental. You'd never see that in any other movie. >> Yeah, that'd be [clears throat] crazy. >> And no explanation. The point of the scene is >> Oh, don't give me that point of the scene. [laughter] You got to you got to watch the film and accept everything that happens in it for, you know, on face value. You can't be criticizing it. Stop. >> I I think this guy doesn't know what context is. I think he thinks context is just aimlessly wandering around just saying random stuff around subject. >> If copyright wasn't a thing with every single thing I say, he would just play the film in full every time and be like, "Uh, counted you." Like, "Well, I guess you got me. That's the full context >> that MJ encouraged the Punisher." >> He would show you the film finally. >> Yeah. And and unfortunately, it's hard to tell if he actually believes this [ __ ] Like does he actually believe that I've just I've just gotten all the like he's not even addressing the [ __ ] I say anyway? >> That is actually heroic trying to help save someone like a superhero would. >> Yeah. I mean, you would thought Punisher, especially Frank Castle. The one thing I really hate they've taken from Frank Castle in exchange for making him a moo with the blowing everything up thing. You're supposed to be smart, like notably smart, tactical, knows how to approach a situation, has his exits sorted, has all backups, knows what he's dealing with, how to counter it. >> They haven't portrayed that in how long? >> Quite a while. But I mean, he he improves slightly by the end of this film when his strategy is to stay a very long way away with the sniper rifle. That would have been the better approach even to take in this situation. >> Yes. Rather than just being a violent vigilante, she also throws the Staten Island incident, which happened prior to the ends of the film, in Frank's face to convince him that he should help Peter. >> Frank then, man, if only there was another way to help. Like maybe to not be directly in this fight and to instead alert some other people that can help cuz it's the [ __ ] Hulk or Gan Gray, a mind controller. Is there anything he can do? No, he has to be here. He has to use whatever guns he has and he has to [ __ ] screw everything up and decides he'll go after Jean during this battle. Someone who can mind control him at a How are you going to respond to this? I'm almost excited. I'll be honest with you. This is so [ __ ] stupid. 33 ft distance leading retardedly to him getting mind controlled. >> Frank was clearly shaken from his fight with the Hulk and looking for any excuse. >> Shut up. >> Are we >> shut the [ __ ] up? looking for any. No, it wasn't because Spider-Man tells him what to do. He doesn't go look. He doesn't run away from the Hulk thinking, "Oh my goodness, I'm so shook up. I'm going to go find the mind controller." They have a they have an argument and Spider-Man says, "You go find Gan Gray," which is [ __ ] And then Spider-Man says, "Oh, and by the way, stay 33 ft away." And and Punisher goes, "Whatever." >> Then he goes and gets himself my ripped. He's not looking for an excuse not to fight the Hulk. He's just doing what he was told. To be clear, chat, the counter here is the the reason Frank [snorts] Castle walked into getting mind controlled is because he was scared from his fight with the Hulk. >> Like what? [gasps] >> He was peeing his pants. >> He was he would rather get mind controlled. And so he did like, okay, I guess it was on theme. >> Clearly shaken from his fight with the Hulk and looking for any excuse not to fight with him again right now. The dialogue in the film, >> where is that? in the dialogue >> running the whole mooing as you say shooting his gun repeatedly and having to be pulled away from that by Spider-Man because >> punish I think it's because after that happens they they have like a little argument like oh you do you want to fight the Hulk and he's like oh no I don't and so his he's like ah see he was so terrified that he stumbled into getting mind controlled by Jean >> the movie >> I didn't I didn't ask why he was gunning for I don't need a reason for Frank Castle to want to kill Gene I'm saying why did he [ __ ] deal. Tactically, you're in an office building with nothing but corners and you can't get within 33 ft of her and you have to kill her. Or well, from his POV, obviously, he has to stop her. How do you do that? And then he gets mind controlled immediately. >> Exactly. >> Literally says as much. Also, during the scene in which he is mind controlled, Jean sneaks up on him while >> uh she walks right in front of him. I I don't >> if that's sneaking up on him. >> You know what's annoying, too? He could have thrown down loads of smokes. Yep. That would have worked. She can't jump into you. She has no idea where the [ __ ] you are. But no, he's Frank Castle. Known [ __ ] Known ma. That's it. >> He is looking around and something unusual catches his eye. There [sighs] is no sound cue to indicate that Frank should have heard her coming. He says, "Hey." [laughter] She walks past the door and says, "Hey." And he looks up and she mind read. Instead, there is [ __ ] >> What world is that a sound? Is what in what world is a sound? [laughter] He's not He's not Daredevil. Okay. >> Yeah, >> he >> Yeah, you got the picture of Daredevil on screen because he's not that idiot. >> He doesn't have super senses. >> Jesus. >> Frank's decision-m was sound. And he >> No, it was not. >> It was sound. No, I thought it wasn't sound. I thought your argument was that it wasn't sound that he was shaken up by uh by by Hulk. >> Well, I can't Is he lying? Is he lying to himself? What's happening? >> He was on target. I think yeah >> he went after the more likely target for him to be able to actually take down. >> How how how that [laughter] >> so bad >> even if only slightly more likely. And then >> he should have left. If he just left it would have been fine but he didn't. >> Lost because Gene had a situational advantage. Situational advantage. >> Mind control is a situational advantage. You could say that >> an inherent advantage but okay. >> Yeah. What do you mean situational? What is the situation in which that's not an advantage? I guess when it's turned off, >> knowing the layout of the building and sneaking up on him and clearing the 33 ft hop limit. >> While mind controlled, Gene has him brutally wound two innocent security members trying to protect themselves from Gan and Frank never acknowledges this. Instead, a joke is made at the end of the scene. >> Jean leaving your mind is conveyed as instant as the moment may be a joke to the audience. Are we? >> So, I want to be clear. Frank Castle does not like wounding or nearly killing innocent people. He certainly [ __ ] doesn't like being forced to by mind control. That is the reality of the situation. Whether or not he doesn't like fully understands it uh in that moment or later, it is never given a scene, never acknowledged. So, like I think that's bad. I think it's important for Frank Castle's character that they show us what he thought about that, how he felt. Um, but they don't do that. >> From Frank's POV, he just woke up from a black void, unarmed, in a different location with >> Do you think no one told him what happened? >> Is Is that what we're doing? Okay. All right. >> His gun webbed to the wall. There is a dissonance between the stakes and the question he asks, creating comedy. >> My god, >> what an appropriate scene to create comedy. >> I I think I'm almost stunned by this. It's like he feels compelled to explain like how a joke works. >> Like, yeah, I'm criticizing that choice. You're like, "Yeah, but that's a joke." You're like, "Right, gotcha. >> I know it's a joke. I think it's a bad I think it's an ill-placed joke." And then his response is, >> "Yeah, but did you know that what's happened here is they've created like a tonal dissonance here, which is funny." However, the punisher is genuinely asking because he himself has no idea what just >> that is the writer's choice that I am criticizing. >> I'm saying why portray that that way? >> You can have him do anything. >> You could have him look at them, look at his gun, and you can have him realize you can do anything you want. You're the writers, >> but instead it's a joke because most stuff related to the punisher in this movie is a joke, >> if not all, basically. Yeah. Yes. Haha. You're You have no idea what's going on. Haha. You're afraid of the Hulk. >> From looking around at the DODC lab for Ging Gray to standing in the vault, that was like like an instant dam. By the end of the movie, Frank, with the knowledge that Gan is mindontrolling everyone in the city, potentially to death, and has previously killed countless innocent people, sees she and Spider-Man are locked in some form of mind battle, providing him the chance to shoot her, ending her reign of psychotic, minding murder, only for Spider-Man to take the bullet. And the Punisher eventually cries and apologizes. He was absolutely right. That spiritually spineless, soggy pillock, absolutely embarrassing and irreconcilable with the man who would have ripped Peter apart for standing in the way of ridding the world of a psychopathic, mass murdering, minding fiend. >> You, the audience member, can personally have morals that make you believe that the Punisher is right. >> No, my criticism was from his point of view, not from my own or anything. We don't need to involve anyone's POV. that it isn't the characters. Okay, I was talking specifically from them. Punisher, the best version of him, specifically Burnernthal's Punisher from Daredevil Netflix. I I can't believe how many [ __ ] qualifiers I have to make because of how much stupid [ __ ] there exists now. >> That one would have been mad at Peter for this. He wouldn't cry and say he was sorry and say it was a mistake to shoot at Gene Gray. That was character assassination as far as I'm concerned. also a bit rich to be told that that the audience's morality should not be imposed upon the movie by the same guy who said that the Department of Damage Control is an agent of a fascist government and therefore should be destroyed. >> I suppose propaganda or reverse propaganda. He's trying to clean the world up. >> That however does not affect the quality of writing of all the stories that provide growth for his character or moral arguments against his actions. Yes, Jean did do terrible and violent things in this movie. Things that Peter himself said should be unble to cite all the [ __ ] The decision to shoot at her happens in this film. Like to say, you know, he's come so far and that's why he's going to have these perspectives. Like, no, no, no, no. I was with him when he fired that sniper bullet. That was that was good stuff. >> Yep. >> Forgive. >> The only thing that Peter says is unforgivable is when she is puppeteering MJ. not everything else she does for which he absolves her of all blame when he walks into the room and tells her she's not a killer. >> Not just that, saying that they were wrong about it, right? Like that seems to apply a broad brush to all the [ __ ] she's done outside of MJ, which is in extremely strange of him to say. >> He apologizes to her for being wrong about her. >> Yeah. >> Peter Parker is full of forgiveness. The vulture threatened to kill him and everyone he loved and knew Peter's secret identity. And Peter still let the vulture live. >> I'm What are we doing now? >> And I'm not even I mean, yeah, like I I don't even want to We could just move on from this. >> Like just I just want to make sure because it sounds like he's making it seem like I think that it would be out of character for Peter to want to spare villains. I don't remember saying that at all. >> Peter Parker don't want to kill people like ever. Basically, yeah. And we weren't even talking about him. We were talking about Punisher. >> What are we [clears throat] doing? Like, >> I'm so confused. >> Because Peter truthfully believes that an act of genuine kindness can pull someone back from the brink of darkness. >> No, he just he never wants to kill anybody. >> He just doesn't want to kill people, period. But we're talking about Punisher right now. >> Yeah. >> Vulture went to prison. Yes, that's right. >> He didn't just get off scotfree. He went >> Sorry, that should be Yeah, just as an addendum. Vulture is current well not currently he's in the MorbiiUs world. [laughter] I don't know what that means but >> tied him up tied him up so that he could be captured >> and he was watching. >> He did that even knowing that it would destroy essentially the the life of of of Liz who was somebody that he cared about. He was still willing to commit to that action. >> And the Vulture did not do as bad things as Gan did. >> Nope. Eve or fruitless to some, but that's the character of Spider-Man. The only person >> what's happening? Yeah, let's get back to Punisher, please. [laughter] >> He can truly never forgive is himself. >> But the end of the film shows him taking steps towards doing that, towards forgiving himself for what >> the he never do is the thing at the end of the movie that he takes steps toward doing. He can never forgive himself and yet he does. Yeah. By the way, this is a great example of um this is why it's okay to interrupt people sometimes. Okay, there are there are definitely if he was in a call saying this, we would all need to be like baby, stop, stop, stop, stop. I don't know where you've gone. You need to come back. Come back to the point >> happened to the people that he loved before and trying to rehabilitate and grow closer to others in the same way that Aunt May would have wanted him to. >> Peter Parker just [laughter] come to the publisher. >> What? He just moved past that one completely. >> He like that. That was pretty crazy. The whole point that's being made is the Punisher is behaving out of character. His response is you you know just because you disagree with the ideology of a character doesn't mean that the story is written poorly. Spider-Man's ideology is this. What the [ __ ] Despite having a full view allows an innocent man to be hit by a car. I I know it sounded like a broken record, but uh good luck here. >> Good luck to this one. >> Uh the movie baked in an example of Spider-Man countering this a little bit later, so we know he can do it. >> There's no counter to this. He should have pulled the guy to safety, but he didn't >> through mind control without pulling him back. Apparently, he's distracted. He's a vacant [ __ ] despite the entire event he was focusing on being Jean showing how cruel she can be by getting this innocent man killed. Mother [ __ ] you struggling with your reaction time there. Spider-Man. >> Yes. >> Oh no. >> No. My Yeah. My point is that that's not an excuse. That doesn't make sense. He's Spider-Man. >> Sorry. >> Mhm. It >> is a major plot point in the film that >> No. No. because he goes through a DNA scanner in this thing. >> Oh yeah, it does that too. I mean, there's there's plenty of occasions where he does he saves the entire tour bus because he reacts quick enough to lift an entire [ __ ] APC around the corner. But no, saving one man. Nah. And then but he goes through the scanner in in the damage control facility, which tells us right from the beginning, oh yeah, enhanced senses, super strength, reaction times, all the rest of that [ __ ] Like all of this stuff that we know he has cuz he's always had those abilities. How is he doing this when it was shown? I showed the scene where he does it. >> Yeah, this is this is the nail in the cuz obviously he's saying his powers aren't working. His powers weren't working in the scene where he pulls MJ out from the debris. That's from the booby trap. That's it. He's not wearing an inhibitor. His powers are [ __ ] and he still manages that when it's hurt. It's over. End of It is literally in the video. >> I showed it. I showed it. I don't understand. What more could I have done? This is slam shot. No problem. >> I'm just going to keep No, doesn't matter. [laughter] >> Working there. >> And even things that it used to be able to sense, such as Jean Gray's presence in people's bodies, he no longer can. >> I'm sorry. We've seen him do it. He's done it >> soon after. Sorry, dude. There's no escape. >> It is internally consistent. >> Nope. Very much the opposite of that. >> It is internally inconsistent >> and dramatic for the narrative for this. Stop. Don't bother with that [ __ ] I don't care. >> But it's dramatic, bro. >> What happened? >> Speaking of this idiot, that's it. >> Knowing Jean was just in his apartment threatening to reach MJ, decides to chase those she jumps through in mind control. He believes he can trap her within them if they are too far from another body to jump into, even though he knows she can exit them at will from having seen it happen twice already. an especially stupid move when he should be making a beline to MJ or to his own apartment since he knows he is immune to Jean's mind control and can easily neutralize her. When reaching M reaching MJ, he simply assumes she couldn't possibly have been mind controlled in time. He believes everything she says again. He's a vacant spiderflavored watermelon [ __ ] This is iron that's ironclad. You cannot argue against that. >> Yeah, you can't dispute that. That's just ad height. Sorry. So, good luck again. See what happens. We'll see. >> The film goes out of its way to show why Peter's plan is logical. The 33 foot hop limit was consistent throughout the film until >> you [ __ ] You're already >> Why didn't he listen to what I said? >> Peter knows she can exit. He knows that. >> He know he knows that he she can exit. And he knows that she's in his apartment, which is right next to him. It's like he's right next to his apartment. If you stop her in person, you win regardless of any jump distance. >> He He played me saying the argument and then he didn't even respond to it. >> And that's not even the first time he's done that. >> Her powers got stronger at the DODC headquarters. Peter had no way to know she could return her consciousness back. >> Yes, he can. He saw it twice. >> This has to be rage bait. No, it's not. He's just an idiot. Like [laughter] that's it. That's it. >> He saw it's in the video. You showed it. You literally showed the scene. >> You just >> You showed when he saw Jyn abandon essentially a person that she had taken control of. He knows that this is possible. You can't trap her when she's mind controlled. You can only trap her when you trap the actual Jean Gray who was in his apartment right there. just go get her >> to her own body at will without going back through the chain again. >> If he did know this, his decision-making in the film and during the helicopter chase would have been different. How? >> That's my point. He did know and it should have been different. >> Yeah, the [ __ ] >> But he's an idiot. >> Yes. >> Just like >> Yes. >> There is no reason for Peter Parker to know every aspect of Jean Gay's power. >> I didn't say every aspect. Not every aspect, just the most important one, which is that you can't trap her when she's floomping into people. He tried that. Didn't work. He saw that it didn't work. He saw it at the beginning of the movie. >> It was shown in the video that you are responding to, my man. >> Have access to the Wikipedia that we have in >> Oh my god. >> He saw it >> desperate >> with his own eyeballs >> life. Thus making what Peter Parker did in this scene and the twist with MJ later make absolute sense. >> You didn't even you didn't even address the fact that he uh doesn't have more trepidation with MJ. What's the reason for that? That was a different argument. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Not even mentioning I guess from his point of view he doesn't know if she can hop out of bodies. So when he traps the the helicopter pilot according to this guy he must believe that there is no way that MJ could have been. So, if you accept this person's utterly [ __ ] misreading of the film, then his argument is consistent. But as it's not, you don't have to do that. >> I just find that really funny then because that means that Peter wanted to lock her up in a helicopter and not tell anyone about it and just wait until I guess the authorities found that Spider-Man had webbed a helicopter or whatever up into this >> until until she then mind flumes in even though he sees on the webcam that she can just like sort of walk around and just sort of be like a person. she can control. But then there's another problem as well, which is that even even accepting that >> as soon as he leaves the helicopter, he rushes to her apartment as though she's still in danger. Whereas if he does believe that the person's trapped, then there's no reason to rush and she's not in >> danger. That's right. Yeah. >> Well, and I just want to add, I didn't put this in the video cuz I never even entertained this, but if Spider-Man truly believes that is her trapped there, he needs to tell someone they got her. >> Yeah. Otherwise, >> Yep. That's right. Otherwise, she'll just immediately flimp into those people and get away. But also, how do you just account for the fact that Jean can just like hop on the train? Like Jean can't be trapped like Jean Gray because he sees it in when when he's talking to all the people on the street that like she's just in his apartment kind of walking around and doing stuff. It's not like when she jumps into somebody like she turns into a rock. Like she she's actually like just capable of just walking around and doing stuff. >> Peter comes through MJ's window. She acts pretty natural. Oh god. >> Oh god. >> If only we knew that's exactly how the [ __ ] power works. >> And she's at her computer beforehand. >> She's at her computer. [laughter] You wouldn't you wouldn't be at a computer if you were mind controlled. Come on. >> It would give him no reason. >> The person Jean hops in in the moment that you're, you know, in the position that you were stranded in in that moment. >> Had already been hopped into. She's doing something that MJ would probably already be doing. Peter eventually meets >> She's doing something that MJ would have been doing. Like I It's just she was probably >> Yep. >> Well done. >> Jean directly and fails to web the [ __ ] out of her, at least her feet even, like he did to people earlier in the movie, leading to the Hulk sneaking up on Spider-Man. >> What have you got for this? What have you, By the way, we are 22 and a half. We're halfway through his video. There's no way he's shown all of my video up to this point, right? >> Uh, no. He's He's leaving out important context. [gasps] >> Mhm. >> I can't believe it. I don't know what the count is up to, but it must be in the thousands by now. But um Well, what I was kind of leading towards rather than that was that um is he just leaving out the stuff he agrees with or does he agree with anything I say? Like literally anything. Have I made a single good point? I >> I would say that he would have to he would have to say that at some point in the video. Like it would be necessary for him to say that what Peter spider sense has been breaking for most. [laughter] It's not about spider sense. It's about the Hulk is like >> you need you need spider sense to be able to hear the [ __ ] Hulk. You need spider sense. >> What the [ __ ] are we doing? We have good reason to believe it was work cuz whenever his spider sensors are broken, his [ __ ] AI says, "Oh, your sensors are overloaded." And it's not doing that in this scene. >> Man, [snorts] come on, dude. >> Hearing basic hearing is also just a spider sense. Now, apparently I'm Spider-Man. >> There is a repetitive th sound impeding normal hearing inside of the building. [laughter] He's saying that like there's a there's the the thumping sound. The Hulk is sinking his steps. >> You know what? That that's that is really funny because the thumping sounding through the thumping is the Hulk trying to get through the door. You are >> Oh my god, dude. >> Where does he think that sound was? Does he think the building just thuds? >> Well, he said it's a repetitive thumping sound. He's already explained that. >> And it's Yeah, that Dude, you are so silly. [laughter] But you're not funny. You're not funny and silly. You're just silly. >> He could not sense the Hulk directly. >> I can't I can't. This is This is testing me. >> He cannot sense the Hulk. >> He can't sense it with his ear balls. [laughter] >> But spider sense and his conventional senses would have been thrown off. Also being getting overwhelmed in the >> Oh, you can hear him struggling so hard with this. He knows. He knows. I'm playing that again. That's very funny. >> 3 music. Why is he playing that? Why is this suddenly the GTA 3 theme? >> Guys, this is this is when your subconscious is telling you to stop. Listen to how much he stumbles when he gets to even saying regular senses wouldn't pick up the hole. >> With spider sense and his conventional senses would have been thrown off also being getting overwhelmed in the film by his heightened [laughter] arachnid hormones. >> I'm sorry. Being getting overwhelmed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's struggling. >> Whatever you say, buddy. >> And while I agree, he probably should have shot a web at her. Him webbing her. Oh my god, >> he agreed. >> We got something, guys. Like a partial agreement. >> We didn't lie. >> Would have changed nothing because he gets attacked by the Hulk as soon as he tries to talk. >> It would have changed nothing. >> She can't She can't walk around. You know how strong that web is? She'd be stuck. That's what it would change to her, which would have just prevented him from shooting the web. >> I don't know if he has he seen Homecoming where he says to the guy it dissolves in two hours because he's not going to be able to get out of it. Unless of course >> strength is off the charts. >> If you're a vulture and you have a pocketk knife, you can get out of it. But you need a knife. I Yeah, exactly. >> Anyway, and she can hop through the bodies of anyone except his. So >> then decides it's intelligent. Yeah, except Punisher wasn't there yet. So she like So yeah, that would have been it. And and and if Punisher got there, it's like, oh well, that makes it way easier to stay out of 33 ft, you know, cuz she's stuck there >> just to have the Punisher deal with Jean despite the fact that he doesn't want Frank to kill her. As is the Punishers's MMO on top of that. Oh, he covered it up, [ __ ] [laughter] You know, I [clears throat] when I when I got that clip, I was like, "This is a risk, but I want it. I'm going to I'm going to keep it anyway." Guess when Frank kills the [ __ ] out of the dude in the uh in season 2 warns of the 33 ft distance he must keep from Jean. Do you remember do you remember um free we cinema wins he he blurred the blood on the wall but he didn't blur Robert Dairo's face getting shot. >> Oh that's funny. >> The literal scene where Joker shoots him. He blurs the blood on the wall but he didn't blur his face. That's um people have interesting ideas when it comes to that sort of thing. >> As though they aren't in an office building replete with corners at every square meter, meaning she could easily mind control Frank and cause mayhem only for Frank to then be mind controlled causing mayhem. Everyone is [ __ ] brain dead in this labized. >> Obviously, this is criticism on both characters. When I did the Punisher section and Spider-Man section, this is a problem for both of them. >> Toilet soup. Peter already warned Frank about the 33 foot hop limit and it >> guys. I I'm I'm struggling with this. >> This is a tough one. I got to say this is um this is like one of the worst. We're not even done. >> Of the two responses I got to my Superman video, this guy's was the slightly better one. >> Oh man, >> I don't know how else to describe this. I'm like, the 33 ft limit means that Frank is [ __ ] and Spider-Man should know that. >> Well, Peter warned Frank about the 33 foot limit. >> Yeah, Spider-Man told him about it. >> The point is that what can he do with that information? What's he going to do with that? He can't do anything. >> Advised him to stay over that range if he found her and scolded Frank and told him not to kill her. Pet, >> that's great, man. I'm I watched it, too, but I guess you think I didn't. here wants to believe that he can trust Frank after all they've been through together. And in the scenario, >> which is stupid, by the way, that makes no sense. >> That's stupid. But also, it's not about trust. It's about how's he going to do this. Hey, hey, stop her without shooting her, but you can't get within 33 ft. >> Also, >> so what does he do? >> Peter trusts that Frank wouldn't kill the psycho murderer rapey person, even though Frank will shoot Spider-Man with a grenade launcher. >> And Frank Frank like just won't listen to people. Like it remember in Born again in season one when he's like I'm chopping these guys up and you can't convince me otherwise and then Daredevil just gives up. >> But they always throw dare going Frank Frank stop the nice ADR line. Frank don't do that. >> But that's the point. It's like you kind of can't make Frank do this a lot of the time. He'll just do it anyway. >> Oh yeah. I just I don't know why we've been so unreasonable. It was stupid that Spider-Man Peter Parker would ever think that telling Frank not to kill is going to do anything. That makes no sense. >> Yeah. You're just saying like, "No, I'm doing it." >> But as if that was that wasn't bad enough, you've also got Spider-Man sending him to his doom. Makes no sense either. >> Yeah. >> If anything, you should hope that the Hulk right now is neutralized cuz he's wandering around or you and Frank need to find her at the same time because she can only mind control Frank. And hopefully in the time it takes for to do that, you can web the [ __ ] out of her and then web Frank and you got him. It's done. >> There's nobody else he can trust. And he knows that he can't really tell Frank to go home. He's already >> Yeah, he can. >> He tried. >> He can. Yeah, >> he can. And Frank should cuz Frank's a liability. >> He could He could even just web him up on the wall. >> That's another option, too. Yeah. And that would be You're right. That would be way better cuz if she possesses him, she won't do anything with it. >> Can't do anything. Yep. >> Peter knows he needs to pursue the Hulk, the more deadly of the two targets physically. Uh, incorrect. Peter needs to pursue the one that's causing all of this to happen, which is Gene. If he neutralizes her straight away, you can deal with the Hulk after. >> Exactly. >> And there is no way the Punisher could have contained Banner by himself. >> I That's one of my arguments, so I don't even know why you're saying that. So, whatever. >> Not even mentioning the fact that the Hulk proves that there's no upper limit to the strength that Gene can mind control in this film. >> What do you mean? Yeah, she literally can't control him once the savage >> can't control Spider-Man and she can't control Spider-Man either. So there is an upper limit. >> There's two upper limits in this scene. So >> yeah, that's exactly >> Is that another lie? >> This scene proves an upper limit in a scene in which there are two characters that have the upper limit that Jim can't can deal with. >> Holy crap. >> It's pretty explicit. She gets forced out of Savage Hulk taking over Banner. That's what happens. >> Y >> and we're already at a point in the film where we said several times she can't get into Spider-Man's head. Meaning that any of the Avengers, if they showed up here, would be potentially an even more dangerous. >> You're right, bro. Let's just let her do it. [ __ ] it. She's too dangerous to be stopped. So, no. To be stopped, so we have to leave her. Do whatever she wants. >> Insanity. What are you talking about? >> Threat. If they didn't >> Why the [ __ ] How can you argue this and then argue that Frank should show up? >> Like, why would anyone show up when you've got a mind control person there? Also, it makes total sense that Frank is here. Yeah, exactly. >> Mhm. >> Pacify a Gene or take away her powers. Frank pursuing her is the safest bet. >> No, it's what you >> the opposite. >> Than anyone in the new Avengers trying to because he's >> than anyone in the new Avengers. >> Well, that >> that's Yeah. I mean, well, yeah. I mean, well, it's just funny, right? Because if he's talking about the lowest potential for harm, it's like I mean, your lane is probably less dangerous than the Punisher. Yeah, >> just a normal dude. >> Peter is told, you realize as well, the more people that go after Gene, the less likely she is able to control the situation. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> The more likely >> kind of the best thing you can do is put her in a place where there's nobody around. That's the reason why when she's in damage control, they put her in a room with nobody in it. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of like the only cuz I'm because if you put her in a room with people in it, as she demonstrates, her first instinct is to get into their mind, which is so evil to me. I I I like it's so funny to me that in the scene where she's captured, her instinct every time is to immediately mind free people. Of >> course it is. >> You can't help it >> by the director of the DODC that he remembered being mind controlled. Peter then later realizes through MJ saying she doesn't remember anything before waking up on the street that the director must have been lying even though Peter should already know that because the guy on the roof said the same [ __ ] in fact. So he Hey, he cut out me saying [ __ ] I'm offended. So did Scorpion. So did Bruce. So did Frank. Peter, what are you doing? Youing spider [ __ ] It also makes no sense because MJ clearly realized she was falling as Peter >> saying [ __ ] but not a [ __ ] [laughter] >> What is the standard? >> We took it back, platoon. We took it back. It's It's back. Welcome back, [ __ ] >> Meaning she absolutely did know what was happening before waking up on the street. But on top of that, it doesn't make the DODC director a liar to say that he knows she mind controlled him because all the victims know they have lost time and he knows what her powers are. >> It has not been thoroughly explained to Peter Jean Gay's power set. >> Oh, so my my point wasn't that her power set has been thoroughly explained. My point was that Peter has encountered four instances of people being mind controlled and then they say they don't remember anything. Four. Four of them. I think that's enough to say that that's what it does. >> And previously in the film when she tried to get into his mind, he began to recall a memory of him and his aunt May. >> That doesn't even I don't even know what change anything. >> Yeah. >> After she found out his identity at the end of homecoming. Him seeing this memory for a moment when she attempted to enter his mind lends credence to the idea that if she attempted to enter the DODC director's mind, she could have seen something in >> I'm confused. Doesn't this help my point? >> I I think it does. >> I think this helps my point. So, I appreciate it. >> In his psyche that would make her say the name Sarah. Peter believes him due to the nature of his response. Yeah, I'm saying that doesn't make sense because he already knows the mind blanking phenomenon four times. Scorpion, Frank, Hulk, other guy on rooftop four times. >> Saying that it involves the death of someone close to the director who was named Sarah, making Peter see it as an act of respect to not prod further. This is a deliberate manipulation technique by the director of the DODC. >> What he was manipulating? That's crazy. That doesn't answer my question at all. >> So he can get Peter off of his trail regarding the >> you know what would have gotten him off his trail saying I have no idea. >> Yeah cuz saying the thing that he also knows given that he's the only person in this universe who has studied it in detail and knows exactly how it works. And so not only should Peter have guessed from the other four people but Meza absolutely knows how it works uniquely knows how it works. The only reason he says this sort of not really like the only reason he says what the movie considers to be a lie is so that can be discovered. That is just a contrivance and it forces Peter to be a [ __ ] [ __ ] and Meza to be a [ __ ] [ __ ] >> I'm so glad we've uh we figured it out. Got it all now. We got it. >> That is of Jean Gran Gay's sister Sarah. MJ discussing how the body takeover felt from her perspective is simply what caused Peter to reflect on those details at a later date. >> Uh, no, not really. It was like her was exclusively. It's like the information she gave was the thing that set him on the course even though hers is faulty and the other four are explicit. It doesn't make sense. >> Once he had a more level head and he wasn't freshly away from a fight with the Hulk. >> I see. He needed to have a level head and be away from his fight with the Hulk. That's that was what was key about that interaction. Gotcha. >> That is when he's able to realize the nature of the lie and the manipulation. >> Peter Parker casually invented I mean I I just I don't I don't know what to say other than he just didn't address it. But that's fine. We'll just move on. An inhibitor that applies to the most powerful mutants, Spider-Man himself and the [ __ ] Hulk. Meaning he just created a universal muzzle to superpowers and provided the design to the Department of Damage Control, i.e. E the government. What an absolute immoral, idiotic, bootlicking lamp. >> Peter didn't casually invent it. >> He absolutely >> No, he did. He did. Yeah. >> Yeah, he did. With a box of scraps. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> It took trial and error throughout the entire film. And >> no, it took trial and error in a single scene. >> About 15 minutes. really. >> I mean, he built it in a couple of days, dude. Like, I don't know how how how long would it have to take before >> Well, it's fully functioning in the first instance. The only reason it doesn't work on him specifically is because his suit conflicts with it. It's not It works for its intended purpose. It just reacts against the fields in his goggles, which he's also a bit of an idiot in not having sparted. But the actual thing itself, if you'd applied it to anybody else, would have worked. And I think they don't they even say it's the fourth one. It's the fourth iteration. So in an afternoon iterated four times and actually has worked before and the only reason it's failed. It could even worked the first time for all we know. But for something like this, you need basically several movies of setup for it. >> It was only possible for him to build it after a lengthy conversation with Bruce Bann. >> He had a lengthy isn't even it's the thing that's killing me is conversation. conversation >> for like two minutes. >> Not a lengthy trial and error, you know, scientific process over the course of months that involved much materials, all kinds of minds like no a lengthy conversation >> and like >> it wasn't even about how to build it. It was ideological was what most yeah most of it was subtextual. It was like wink wink. >> It's it's a theme discussion, not a mechanical discussion. But but like Bruce doesn't give him any new knowledge that makes this work from what I remember of that conversation. Peter shows up and says, "Hey, you've got an inhibitor. This is how it works, right? Uh if I did it this way, would it would it then work this way?" And Bruce says, "Yeah, probably." >> Anyway, that dude. >> Yeah. >> That's what the conversation is about in a couple of days. >> How fast would it have to be for him to call it casual? Like I want to know how rapidly would it have to be. Yeah. A minute. about the suppression of DNA. Peter Parker is consistently shown to be incredibly intelligent in the fields of mechanical and biological science. >> Why does he just randomly smile? >> Just keeps saying [ __ ] already know that. But I'm distracted by why does he keep smiling just randomly for like a split second? >> Cuz he knows he's a dirty liar. >> Yeah, he can't even hide it. He's so gleeful with his deception. you. And regarding the morality of handing over the inhibitor in this universe, Peter Parker has only interacted with the good parts of the government. He knew people who worked at Shield. >> I can't even begin. I can't I can't with this. >> It's funny that he just brought up SHIELD when it's like, yeah, SHIELD that was infiltrated by Hydra like secretly and covertly. >> My child, my very very young young man, you must be 10 to say he gave it to the good parts of the government. He gave the ability to suppress civilization to the good parts of the government. My boy, I must hold your hand when I say this to you. You do not give that kind of power to the good parts of the government. I don't even What the [ __ ] are you talking about? >> Power to anyone. >> Nope. >> You don't even have it yourself. You should destroy it if you have something like that probably. Or or I don't know. It's just it's just such a me. remember how he was introduced into the MCU as a result of a massive civil war instigated by the government. >> Maybe he he might have some reflections on how that panned out. Maybe he's I don't know spoke to any of the other characters or read about the reasons behind it or learned from either Stark or Cap, like anyone. Uh even [ __ ] you know, Vulture has an an argument for victimhood precisely because damage control wasn't very nice to him. Hey, if it's always good for the good parts of the government to have access to all technology, why don't you give them your spider suit shirt? Why don't you give them, you know, why don't you just retire? Give it to the good parts of the government, bro. >> The same way he knew members of the Avengers. He was given intel and technology by Nick Fury personally in Far From Home. MCU Peter Parker wasn't involved with stories relating to Hydra or really any sort. He wasn't involved. Even though it was one of the most public disasters that ever happened in the MCU, he wasn't involved. That's doing so. That is deceptive as [ __ ] >> He would started this >> thought about it. Don't worry about it. >> He started this argument with saying, "Oh, Peter is like deeply intelligent, but also he has no idea about anything in the world. He's just never given any thought to the idea of, hey, I'm kind of like throwing Pandora's box open and just casually sort of giving it to like an agency that might use it in ways that I don't appreciate. >> Even with this clown's logic, he comes to realize the government's evil, right? The good parts, even that, like in this film, right? >> We'd have to assume that TV man thinks that Spider-Man learned the government was evil in this film. >> I guess we do. So if if so, where was the scene where Spider-Man went, "Oh, Lord, I gave them the inhibitor." Oh no, I'm going to >> It's almost as if the writers didn't realize what they did. >> Harump Harim Hooha. Does seem like that was missed? That was a whoopsy daisy. Didn't Hightop say something like, "I hope in the next film they they do. I could have sw it might be a tweet or something where people talking about like I hope Brand New Day 2 talks about >> they won't they won't they won't why would anybody think that they would they won't >> Hey whatever man >> the MCU the MCU is terrible now like why would they do that >> I >> they barely did it for a couple of years there but then they gave up >> I agree with TV man it is good that uh Palanteer Parker gave the government the inhibitors because Gene is crazy and we got to stop it so I agree good stuff down with mutants. Mutants are bad. Stop them >> of government conspiracy and has no inherent reason to distrust the government. >> You're insane. >> Has no inherent reason. What was that? >> Because this is all he's he's like got black goo pouring out of his mouth from all of the nonsense. He's like like you can't be saying this [ __ ] [laughter] unironically. It's insane. We should equip the government with the ability to control us completely all the time. Yes, that's great. And I'm glad my hero did that. A lot of people have speculated on like what the [ __ ] going on with portraying one of the like most famous worldwide superheroes as being like we it's good to have constant surveillance on everyone. It's good to give the government the ability to take away anyone's power at any point. It's like that's that's weird. It's weird that that you told that story, >> but I mean he backs it. This is all in character and all good. never noticed those two giant, no three giant [ __ ] helic carriers that the government made and funded, which oh dear, all of a sudden the government that was good and well-intentioned in doing that suddenly became bad now. And so actually that power, the power itself is not to be given to any government or person of any character whatsoever because you can't rely on it being good forever. I guess he just didn't notice. He wasn't involved in that story, so how could he possibly have known? >> This seems to be the only option to stop Jean from >> It's the only option. There's nothing else we could possibly do, even though they just put her in a room that's 33 ft away from anybody and she's done >> from hurting more people at this time. >> Personally, I just love listening to Peter. Also, by the way, she was neutralized. He could have taken it off her because she was knocked out. >> Mhm. >> Idiot. insist Jean isn't a killer after she had a ninja sedoku himself. She blew up several buildings. She froze tens of thousands of people and she walked an innocent old man in front of a car. >> You're not a murderer. She just said she killed three people. >> I know what I'm saying deep down. >> Okay, funny edit, but you're kind of missing the point. >> Oh, God damn it. God [ __ ] damn it. You know, uh I love the movie again for [ __ ] over its defenders because had he said you're not a murderer, it still would have been wrong, but it would have been easier to defend than you're not a killer. Like she kills. >> It's very very like impossible to argue otherwise >> of what he's trying to say or you're just being dishonest. >> Really? >> Really? Yeah. >> Look at that. Look at that smile that he's got there. He's so He's so happy. Oh, wait. Yeah, he's smiling for me, which is just amusing. >> Peter is trying to get Jean to look within herself and to stop doing this willingly. [laughter] I understand if you, the viewer, have a set of personal morals that would inclin for you to >> You're saying Peter's lying? Are we clear? Are you saying he's lying? >> I think that is the point that he's trying to say is that he doesn't actually believe this, but he needs to say this in order to get her to stop. >> Take that position all you want. I just want to make sure I I got it. You're saying Peter's lying in order to make this happen. All right. Gotcha. >> He doesn't actually believe that she's not a killer. >> Of course, Peter believes she's a killer cuz she absolutely is. Please just say that for me. >> Believe that Jean is truly irredeemable beyond forgiveness and she should be >> We didn't even talk about irredeemable beyond forgiveness. >> Yeah, the conversation about redemption or lack thereof has nothing to do with whether or not he says that she's a killer or not. Yeah, we're just talking about categorically she is one and Spider-Man should absolutely believe that to the point where it would be more interesting film to tell Jean she is a killer and that's something she needs to deal with now >> like that you know but the film doesn't have the balls >> killed but you and Peter Parker in the MCU are not the same person. >> I don't care what why are you even bringing this up? [laughter] >> If you were to say he's lying that means you're acknowledging the fact that he said something that isn't true which is what my point is. The film is not inherently bad for not standing up to your personal morals. >> Um >> um >> I is it is it a moral standard to say that killing people count like makes you count as a killer? >> Is it a moral standard or just a category thing? >> Standard. Yeah. >> Like is I'm not even there are people I think are awesome who are killers. So this doesn't really play into that necessarily. I'm just saying she's categorically a killer. I'm not saying whether or not that makes her a good person right now. I don't think she's a good person for the record, but I'm just saying >> Peter Parker simply believes a different set of morals than you. And Peter believes >> What do you mean he has a different set of morals? >> I thought he said that Peter's like lying. Like he's he's Oh, it wouldn't be a different set of morals, right? >> No, it would just be like if anything he is lying to preserve the shared morality with the audience. That's he seems to be trying to rehabilitate Peter Parker's line to say no, he is against killing like you audience. Um he's just trying to talk her down by lying to her. >> Jean Gray is not a bad person deep down, but merely she is doing a lot of bad things because she is trying to >> Oh, well then why didn't he say that? He said you're not a killer. >> Yeah, that's not what he said. He said you're not a killer. Yeah, >> sorry. >> And even if he did say that, that would be a really stupid thing to say. Well, >> you're not a bad person deep down. You just sadistically smiled as you tossed an innocent woman to her death. >> Yeah. No, sorry. That's not what he said. >> Get either. >> Or at least that's not what I'm addressing. >> Or because she wanted to get back to the person that she loved. >> This movie even shits all over Yolena. That >> [laughter] >> oo. What's the defense going to be for this? Like cuz I think most people just wouldn't even bother defending this one, right? >> Photocopy of better times. She discovers through Spider-Man that innocent people are being taken by an adjacent yet interwoven justice department for observation, experimentation, and other human rights violations related to mind control. And doesn't give a single [ __ ] despite that being her core trauma from the red room, something that defined the majority of her life. And she passes it off with no less enthusiasm than a constipated gorilla preparing his tax return. Two sisters are attempting to reach each other despite a greater evil institution keeping them apart involving mind control and she is simply disinterested. Actually hilarious that they assassinate such a forced and worthless character with just a minute of screen time. >> I enjoy how it's really easy to prepare the pauses because he has this weird editing thing where he puts the gameplay suddenly in the background while the letter box stuff is still up. I was like, "Thanks." >> Were you about to say there's nothing you could say to that? >> No, I was just going to comment on the shitty editing, but um now we can uh now that that's that's done. I mean, yes, what can he do with this? But I I mean, how many times can I keep saying that? How do you unfortunately defending this film presents with a big problem in that it's like actually one of the worst movies like I've seen ever in my life. [laughter] Um so that makes it a really tough one to deal with. I don't know. Are we ready to admit that yet? that this is like one of the worst movies ever. >> I'm disappointed. >> It's like a given. >> All right. He started with no >> was not character assassinated in this movie. She isn't a member of the audience who has access to all of this information in >> No, she says this. She finds this out. >> She says this. Yeah. >> Yep. >> I I was playing the scene where she knew this. Catch up >> real time as we do. She was disinterested and referred to this conspiracy at small potatoes. >> No, I'm talking about the scene. I put the [ __ ] later scene. >> Come on. >> The film when Peter didn't have any intel to give her other than that it was a body hopper who was willing to use violence to get >> I know all of this and she said it could be like a demon possession eth blah blah blah. No, we're talking about the latest scene. The one that I showed. Come on. I showed the webcam thing. Come on. >> Wanted leaving Elena with so few leads that she had to compare the potential target Spider-Man to the demonic. Oh, come on. >> Folklore entity Leesy. Yolena later gets back into contact with Peter and attempts to help him find out more information on Jean Gray only to realize that >> what is he about? >> She does not get back to him. He calls her up again >> and she doesn't care. She's like, "Oh yeah, that's bad." >> Yeah. >> Doc had been scrubbing paperwork about her and her sister from their servers. >> Yeah, but not the fact that it is her and her sister. That's still in all the files. >> You'd consider that the important part of the information, would you not? But don't worry about that. We'll we'll move past that. >> To deploy the new Avengers at this time after figuring out that it was a body hopper or even she showed up herself to try and fight than Jean would assuredly by the end of the film have an even more powerful body. >> You're saying you're saying you're actually >> she does care. She's very invested. But she opted to not get herself involved or anyone else and leave it to Spider-Man because she's afraid that the mind control person would get her. Even though you went to bat hard for the Punisher going there to then also get mind controlled under the exact same. Unfortunately, I don't think you can do this, dude. Like I just don't think you can do this like this. >> I think you should just give up on this like as a as a as a as a as an enterprise, you know, like doing doing this like media analysis thing. You can't do it. >> Yeah. >> You have no idea what the [ __ ] you're doing. person. He's writing these characters in his head and just giving it out as like explicit information. The movie doesn't establish any of this. >> He just assumes bunch of [ __ ] >> I'm not trying to be hyperbolic when I number one when I say that this movie is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And also to just add like this is this has to be one of the worst ones that we've ever responded to. >> Why? Why? because you say 2 plus 2 is four and then he's like carrots were born in the state of spatial [laughter] convenience and you're like um >> okay >> he he's like he's [clears throat] like incapable of making a point >> I like it's so clean the Yolena thing she just doesn't care when she would be personally invested and she would do everything she can to help stop this especially like the new Avengers are a governmental institution that have connections to the DODC she does nothing. And he's like, "Yeah, why would she use mind control?" >> Oh, gee, I don't know. Maybe because everything she did in her own movie's introduction was about mind control and she was thoroughly involved. >> And she even posits when Spider-Man first goes to see her and says, "You know what's V-Max?" And she says, "Oh, it could be alien tech, launch codes, alien weapons." She goes through this long list of very, very big potatoes which are also involved like with mind control. I like, so I don't believe you're I know why she's doing it. It's because she was probably added in re-shoots and so she didn't have any bigger role in the plot. >> Yeah. >> But from the movies perspective, she's basically said this is potentially a hugely massively significant consequential thing which is being done even absent the knowledge of the sister, what then is the point of the new Avengers if they don't get involved with a mind control terrorist trying to get launch codes and alien weapons? What do they do if not for that? But as soon as it's then cuz he he's the one who posits to her then it's like it's mind control. I thought it might be like what happened to you in the red room which is already an appeal to like her past because like she knows it's a woman. She knows it's somebody involved with mind control. Doesn't the end of the Black Widow movie kind of imply she's going to spend a lot of time going around rescuing people from precisely that condition and then it just gets added to over the course of the movie and then oh yeah by the way it's now it's a person looking for their sister. She had every reason in the first instance to want to get involved, but then those reasons just get multiplied and she stays as uninterested as ever she was. >> Also, apparently my microphone was screwing up there. Did that is it okay now? Chat or >> crackled briefly, but it sounds good now. >> Okie dokie. >> Body to take over and rule the world. >> Not a great plan. >> The It's not a great plan to deal with Jean Gray because she can mind control you and take over the world. >> Yeah. a as if that doesn't even deal with again the personal investment. Like as as if number one, the only way that she could help is to do the same stupid thing that Frank did. Number two, as if we're just going to completely ignore her own personal motivation. She doesn't she doesn't and again she doesn't say in the movie, "I would help you because I'm really invested in this, but like if I participate, she'll mind control me and then that would just cause more problems. So you have to go a little alone." That's not what happened. She's just chilling in her little office. She just wants to basically say, "I don't give a [ __ ] I don't care. >> Yeah. Like, it's just I'm sorry, dude. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing, dude? >> Plot looks like minced confetti after a nice soak in acid. It's just so lucky that Peter bumped into Ned to then see MJ to then have an existential crisis over the thought of sitting in the cuck chair causing a B. They block cuck. You can't say cuck. You see that in the subtitles? It like it's like offended YouTube. I guess not. >> It's not that bad of a word, is it? >> But it's not a >> It is. Does it even count as a slur? >> I don't think so. >> Isn't Cuz it's a >> It feels about as >> It feels about as bad as moist. Like you surely you can say that. Nobody's, you know, >> Yeah. It feels like it's definitely in the tar of crap at at worst. >> Yeah. >> No. Anything is a slur if you're a pervert. Oh, aological reaction that facilitates the creation of a universal inhibitor that he happens to end up using to neutralize Jean. The film is over without that random encounter. >> You know, it's >> I like how he did a sigh as if he's in a position to have like sort of frustrated. >> All right, buddy. What have you got? Tell us. >> Very easy to complain about the convenience of the plot of a film when you're effectively talking about the inciting incident. >> Nope. Inciting incident is the uh tank with the old lady. >> The tank. That's the inciting incident. The inciting incident can't happen this late in the movie, dude. >> Yeah, we we learned that from >> anything. It's already been incited. >> We learned that from Closer Look, he did the video on doing sign incidents >> of the story. [laughter] >> Isn't it convenient that Luke Skywalker just so happens to live on a planet far enough? >> It is. Yeah, it is. >> We've got over this before. Well, there's there's a handful of those in Star Wars. Yeah, >> it is. Yes, it is. >> Far enough away from Far enough away from an Imperial stronghold so that that way a mysterious old man who just so happens to be a Jedi. >> What are we doing? >> Messed it up actually because Obi-Wan is there looking out for him. That's why he's there. >> How to contextualize. >> So, you actually screwed up. Damn. I The easier one was the fact that R2-D2 and C-3PO land like so close and get picked up by Luke. That's the convenience. It's not that Obi-Wan's there. Obi-Wan is there for a reason. >> Yeah. >> And also just so happens to be his dead father's best friend. Can train him in the ways of the force. The film is over without >> damn. How did you screw that up? How did you screw up like what could have been an easy point which is that which also this doesn't even matter as a lot of people in chatter pointing out. I mean this is just a textbook. What aboutism? >> Yeah. >> This is irrelevant. Why are you doing this? But this is the equivalent of saying like, "Isn't it convenient that Peter got bit by a spider?" >> Is it? >> Well, you know what's funny though is that the funny part is it could be. It depend. It depends. Yeah. >> Like that's the thing. It actually like it, you know, is it is convenient that every single Remy Spider-Man villain has a direct personal connection to Peter. That is crazy convenient. Like, you know, there is a conversation to be had about these things. You might want You might want coincidental because it's >> coincidental. It's not Sorry. Yeah, convenient. It's convenient for the film, but it's inconvenient for Peter. Actually, it's really hard for him. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, that's a that's a point. I'm just surprised you messed this one up. Star Wars does kind of hinge on something that is a bit contrived. Um, but then he moved on to something that isn't contrived that has a reason for being. You are you are just like you are you are just finding all new ways of surprising me >> counter without this old man by the way. And isn't it all so convenient that Luke would be gifted in the force and be the son of >> No. >> What? No. >> No. No. It's not >> of the literal chosen one. >> Huh? >> Um he he just happens to be. What do you mean? >> He is. >> Yeah. It It's not conven he is the son of the chosen one. It's not convenient that he is he is >> he is his son >> movie [laughter] >> so bad at this >> I'm just confused at this point and what's funny about what about isism you almost want to be like sure I hate everything about Star Wars it's the worst written thing ever so do you agree about the Spider-Man thing now >> like are we done with this like wacky nonsense >> you can describe any film in these simplistic terms >> you could be wrong about any film yeah >> you could [laughter] be wrong yeah >> I don't really know what that achieves >> and refer to parts of the narrative as quote unquote convenient, but that's not inherently a compelling argument. The >> not to you. I don't know. Like you're you're flapping all over the place. >> Nature of storytelling is always an illusion. >> The nature of storytelling is always an illusion. >> See, that could be a deep and complex philosophical point. It's not going to be not from him. >> No. Coming from him, it's not. No. >> From the author's perspective, >> he's just trying to be fancy with his words. He doesn't. >> Well, the thing is that what what he's saying like storytelling is kind of illusion craft. Like you, you know, people people kind of buy into stories as if they're real when we all know they're not. There's something to be said for that. It's just meaningless coming from him. Like I kind of like thinking about that as an element. It's like, yeah, you kind of it's almost like a magic trick. We said what like two hours ago that the the whole process of probably three hours ago the process of writing is erasing the um the coincidences the conveniences the contrivances and the the plots holes like all the contradict you trying to cause your thing to happen. The task of a writer is essentially to come up with something that's really interesting. Like that is the kind of thing that you would want to hear about or read about or play or watch, but still do that while adhering to some kind of internal logic and and um and sort of yeah like some kind of in driving internal logic. If we didn't care about that aspect, it would start to resemble those like the wackier almost um demo reel AI videos you see sometimes where it just it just flashes between a whole bunch of crazy random scenes like oh look guys fighting dragon a suddenly we're in a amazing vista. Oh we're over to the princesses getting saved from the but now we've cut over to the guys >> it'd be like the uh Eastern European itchy and scratchy. >> Yes. and then just [laughter] different and then just the end. That's what it would be. >> What the hell was that >> governing logic you know? So that's what story but it's just yeah the reason why I think it's worth expanding on this is because this video is so like >> it's so devoid of of just any substance or merit [laughter] that we might as well >> conveniently conveying information to the audience. That is how storytelling occurs. The transmission of information in clever ways invoking narrative the >> Look at how worked up he's getting >> when he's saying all these words that he's not putting any meaning to the transmission >> in clever ways the narrative invoking the like calm down it you've already conceded that like he's conceded efforts to provide evidence that something isn't convenient in the past arguments. You wouldn't need to do that if you believed this. >> No, because nobody believes this. Nobody believes it doesn't matter. These themes could not transpire without >> like normies normies think this stuff matters. Normies talk about plot holes and stuff. This is not like an internet brain thing. The idea that it was like cinema sins that prompted this as if like normies don't talk about like inaccuracies >> about uh about like movies or shows or books in various ways and forms. This is just how people engage with stories. It's got to make some kind of sense. And uh what is by you guys's assessment the biggest example of them [ __ ] up so much that it caused normies to be like holy [ __ ] they [ __ ] this up. >> The fact that they had to come out and say that Jyn didn't kill anyone. The fact that the writers say that >> more broadly on like of all the stories cuz I've got a pick. I was just wondering if you guys are the same. Basically a time where they [ __ ] up the story so much it had like a catastrophic effect on the broad audience. >> TLJ would be an obvious example. Killing Joel might be a good example. >> They would be my two and three probably. >> Oh, number one is missing. >> Game of Thrones, right? >> That's it. Yep. >> Ah, yeah. >> They did so badly with the continuity that the general audience were like furious. >> It can't get better than that. >> Yeah. Everybody cares. Everybody cares to some extent. >> I'm so glad that that that everyone was united about that. Like if there was a single thing people like got like [ __ ] united about that was that and welld deserved >> narrative events. A shorter movie with less events and less attempts at theme are not inherently better. Just >> who the [ __ ] are you talking to? >> Stop doing this. >> Why does why does he think that this is your position? >> I don't know. I'm the long man. Why would I advocate for short films? Okay. >> Unless I misheard him, his statement there is that you can't have themes without narrative events, therefore convenience is fine. >> Yeah. Well, he doesn't want it to be short and without narrative and theme. Oh, I mean, heaven forbid. It's like he seems to think that if you say this event is stupid, this character is unmotivated, this plot point is broken, none of it works, and therefore it's bad and wrong, that you're advocating just for like blipping it out of existence to be replaced with nothing. As though if you find a plot hole in the movie, you just remove that particular part of the movie. You don't rewrite it. You don't make it better. You don't fix it. You just for every mistake you make, you just cut and then that's it. And then whatever is left at the end is the movie that you have. >> Which is a strange >> I don't understand how anyone could believe that the anyone thinks that this is even an argu like what is he responding to besides the weird voices in his head. >> A strange admission too cuz it almost feels like he's saying okay fine you might be right on the logic but the consequence of your logic is that we remove these parts of the film and by the time we've removed all the parts you think are flawed we won't have a film left. You're like well >> as as if like the whole point isn't that you got to you got to fill it with new stuff. >> Yeah. or fix stuff or Splatoon was saying it's like that's that's the process. Why would we just delete forever and never make anything? What does that even where you getting this from? >> No, whatever whatever the first idea that you settle on, that's just like it forever. And you can never change it or deviate from it. Like whatever the first idea is that comes to mind, you're locked into that forever. And so any attempt to change it that means it will be shorter because you can't add new stuff because you're locked into it means that you should just ignore those changes. you shouldn't do them because then it would make your story shorter. And as we all know, something that's shorter isn't necessarily better. As if that's something that needs to be said >> because they don't try. >> They say mechanical and organic webs cannot be used at the same time when Peter could obviously just place them on the other sides of his arms and reprint a suit to facilitate that. Hell, he could just put them further down on the same side. So, you've been complaining about MCU Peter Parker having too much technology for your entire video. >> Let him let him finish video. >> Let this man finish. Okay. >> Entire video. And then your solution to what you believe to be an internal issue with the plot >> is for Peter to invent more technology. >> No, I said that they said it is an incompatibility and I said that doesn't make sense because it's not. Mhm. >> Sounds like you agree and that's all you needed to say, but you had to be a disingenuous little [ __ ] and be like, "Oh, well, you earlier said you didn't want him to have more tech." So, that goes against your other point when it's obviously like, "Well, I just wouldn't be in this position cuz I didn't write this movie." I'm just I'm glad you agree. I guess that that was all you had to do was say, "Yeah, they are compatible." That's true. And you know what? Intuitively, there's good reason for him to actually have both. Why would you not want to have double webs? especially if you can have complete control over him. That's all he had to say. >> Want Peter to invent a new type of web shooter in the middle of the film? >> Uh, he can do that with his [ __ ] printer and his AI. Also, yes, the alternative was just shooter. >> You don't even need to. Yeah, this is so lame. >> During the main conflict that would also >> he does all kinds of [ __ ] [ __ ] during the main conflict, bro. >> This is during the main conflict. Either this is the quieter moment after he gets back from the cuck chair. >> Yeah. when he's playing around and experimenting. There's no other figuring out his new webs. That's all that's happening in that scene. We've seen him make more complex things in an afternoon. >> Yep. >> We're just asking him based on the technology the movies told us he has to move the web shooters 2 in up his wrist. >> Yep. >> Differently mechanically than the regular web shooter design that he's already used for a decade and is based on specific >> hand. Also, he gets used to him [ __ ] instantly. Why you why you suggesting that? Oh, they're so different, bro. They're just so different. >> My phone is currently sitting at my table in front of me. I don't want it to be there. It's inconvenience. I'm just going to move it just over there. It's now over to the right. And somehow I did that without inventing an entirely new phone. >> How did Funny how that works. >> Can you make a video on that? That sounds >> I probably should, shouldn't I? I to be fair, I did have AI assistance to do that. >> Okay, [laughter] that makes sense. >> Sure. >> HELLO. HELLO. ANYBODY HOME? >> You You're pulling this on me. >> I mean, that's bold. >> That's bold. >> Good for you. >> Audacity. >> Oh boy. >> Hey, think with flying things. >> Why did Mezzer tell his shitty lie as far as the writers were concerned? Anyway, if he was the one with the most experience experimenting and studying the mind control power and knows how it works more so than anyone else, wouldn't he be notably the best poised to not tell a shitty lie? >> Mer is hiding the context of this >> context. He explains the film and then draws some bizarre conclusions. >> Wonderful, wonderful format he's got going on here. >> Here we go again. >> from the viewers so that they don't think about it any deeper. >> Can you believe this, Chad? I hid this from you. He's about to reveal. He's going to expose. Finally, you'll know the truth. What is it? Tell us. >> Jean specifically said the name of her sister, Sarah, before she passed out. If the director of the DODC just dismissed this earlier, Peter would only become more suspicious. >> You made that up. You made that up. That's not in the film. Sorry, bud. You just gave context. It doesn't exist. So, who's more deceptive out of us two now? >> There is nothing in the film that [ __ ] says this. you said this with your own mouth there. >> It's so funny. She says Sarah and he goes, "What? Why did she say that name?" And then Me goes, "I don't [ __ ] know." Peter goes, "Oh, really? >> Really?" >> It's like, "Wow, that makes me so suspicious." It's like, "What do you >> why?" It's like, "Dude, I don't know. I have no It would just be the same as with V-back." It's like, "Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that means." >> And then began to look into people related to Jean Gray named Sarah. >> How could he You can't be pulling this like logic. Like all the [ __ ] he's gone through this whole video about how nobody does anything logically and now he's like, "No, if if if Spider-Man wasn't told that that was a name that he saw in his head, then he would definitely have gone into the databases and searched for the name in relation to Gene Gray and discovered the truth." >> Well, and then found nothing because it was covered up. Except it wasn't covered up because >> I was about to say that's just another stupid aspect that they covered it up in that they deleted all of the files except the name of the file. Like >> good job. >> Sorry, dude. Movies bad. such a [ __ ] movie. >> Really bad. It's like again it's I don't know if there's anything about it that's like good >> from Sarah Gray. >> The lie is good. >> I like how his response here can't even function without another flaw being present. But he doesn't even realize. >> Mhm. >> Because it's word and deliberate way to make the person that >> it's a [ __ ] lie. He could have done a way better lie. He could have just not lied at all. It's not hard to concede. this is pursuing information, hesitant on pursuing anymore because the subject matter of someone's recent death, something that would speak to Peter Parker specifically as he still mourns his aunt May. >> Shut up. >> Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. [laughter] Shut up. >> Even though the director of the DODC doesn't know this, the feeling of death being a touchy subject is a sort of universe. I I almost didn't I don't really want to skip because he's annoying me. But you did catch that, right? He just said it was a good move by Meza to reference a dead colleague because that plays into Peter's like manipulation because he's got >> because he's got someone who's died recently in Aunt May. One, not recent. Two, Meza doesn't even know who that is or what what he's talking about. >> He has to cons. It's like >> you built up the straw man and then the straw man fell on you and crushed you. Like how do you do this? Incredible. >> It is one of my favorite things on EFAP. There's like I want to say at this point probably 10 examples total. It's not very often, but people who get defeated by their own straw mans is amazing. Social faux. He is shot by a sniper through the [ __ ] heart, bleeding out like a stuck pig. Only thanks to Jean taking over breathing alongside immensely talented surgeons, he's fine the following day. I don't really get how helping him breathe kept him alive until he got to the hospital. >> I hope with the blood loss. >> Dumbest writers ever. >> And then of course, what makes it worse is they gave us a timeline. Punish is the one that delivered him, which means he has to get to the building and then to the hospital. >> You know how long that would [ __ ] take? >> Especially with the fact that he wouldn't be able to get through traffic because all of the cars have crashed into each other. So, it' probably be basically impossible to get there by vehicle. >> Yeah. He's just dead. >> And and also the hospitals are going to be filled with all of the innocent people who've been injured uh by by Jean as well. So yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. I think realistically space left in those hospitals >> after she froze the entire [ __ ] city. But also like again the the the breathing for him thing. It's just like she takes over the consciousness. like she can't, as far as I'm aware, she can't really control internal organs. And if they're failing, there's nothing that she can do by controlling his unconscious consciousness. It just does not make sense. So stupid. >> No, it's cuz she's so powerful now. Now she can do it. >> You can do anything really. >> And you're hiding that important context. >> You just lied. Why'd you lie? >> Okay, you're right. >> Hospitals worth of staff and a surgical team working on Spider-Man. And you want me to believe they left his [ __ ] mask on? No self-respecting doctor or surgeon is risking the patient with contamination from a dirty mask during lifesaving surgery. Nor are they going to obstruct his airway or prevent intubation when he is near death. And so the Punisher, MJ Meza, several members of damage control, and the general hospital now know his identity. But the film won't agree because we don't do consequences. If nothing else, I can at least learn the Flash's secret identity. >> Why did they need to cover for his Why did Punisher have to cover for him say I got you covered if getting him covered is hey, they can't do anything with your face. I mean, they don't know who the [ __ ] you are. >> Everything I said is opposition to what the film states is true. And he's making fun of the film for like like I guess me but also by extension the film for having had this POV. I don't I don't know if he realizes. >> It's Yeah. This doesn't actually >> I have no idea who this is. >> Nobody in this universe knows who Peter Parker is. >> Yeah. So why' Frank say I got you covered when what he meant was hey doesn't matter dude. I mean I don't know who you are. >> The sort of intellectual honesty. So if he was in this call right now he'd be like so you agree right? They all saw his face. They'd be like, "Listen, if they saw his face like they saw his face, right?" >> Like, I just want to like stop with the [ __ ] Just they saw his face, right? Because they wouldn't Which mean And if he says yes, be like, "Right, so what Frank said was bullshit." >> Mhm. >> You just got to lock him in because they do this wrangly [ __ ] where they wander all over the place. You're like, "No, focus down. Listen to what I said for [ __ ] sake." Like that was the argument I saw on Twitter I think today or yesterday about like the train scene from Spider-Man the the freaking Oh my god McGuire Spider-Man. Yeah. In the train where they see their his face. >> Yeah. They saw his face but they don't know who that guy is. And they don't have a phone. You didn't see anyone take a picture. And with the the times technology like no one could unless they hired like a cop like the people that draw sketches and like reverse searched him somehow. I that's possible but here Peter is unconscious for god knows how many hours. The the doctors I mean they do probably follow the protocol but there's no guarantee that no one took a picture of him. >> Nope. you could very easily reverse search people's faces now and very easily detect their identity and their presence online or somewhere. Um, and also like they would require his sort of name and his identity to submit him to the hospital. >> What's really funny is >> and also sorry I have to mention this and uh they would demand all of this probably from Punisher who would firsthand be sort of rushed off to the [ __ ] prison. >> Yeah, he'd be arrested. He can't walk around a hospital. That's insane. He's he's like a monster to the general [laughter] area of the public. He just rides around blowing [ __ ] up and shooting people which yeah he's you can't just walk around freely. That's not how that works. >> Is they don't know his face like what it looks like. It's obscured in previous photographs and his name does not persist in records. >> Looks like you've accidentally agreed with me and disagreed with the film. You don't know and that's fine. Don't worry about it. >> The punisher said I got you covered. when what he actually meant to say is it doesn't matter if everybody sees your face because that's meaningless information. Kind of makes you wonder why they would even make a point about it in the movie if this is what the movie actually thought. But it obviously doesn't. >> Nope. And >> people in New York City saw his face, they'd have no way to know who it is. As well as the fact that if they know it's Spider-Man, they have no reason to expose him as this film show. >> I didn't say that they have every reason to expose him. You know why you go in this direction? I guess he takes issue with Spider-Man 2 as well. When they said, you know, we're not going to say anything, his response would be, "What could you even say? He's a white guy." I guess >> Sam Rey's a [ __ ] >> Why even make a point about this? >> That's right. What an idiot >> by the city. Frank in this film also tells Peter in the hospital room that he has him, implying that he did or said something offcreen to the people in the hospital. >> How do you do this every time? >> Why would he need Why would he Why you Why would he need to say or do anything if what you said covers it? How does he keep doing this? >> Sure that the staff did not photograph him or let unauthorized people into his hospital room. Given Spider-Man's beloved status in the city at this moment, nobody that knows his identity has a motive or a way to logically expose him. >> Only for the government to have absolutely no issue at >> Why didn't Frank say that? Hey, don't worry. Nobody's going to [ __ ] with you. You're Spider-Man. >> And also at the same time, Jean Gray like like Yeah, nobody would nobody would do anything detrimental to Spider-Man. He's the hero of New York. Also, Gan Gray thinks that Spider-Man is a horrible monster collaborating with a fascist wig of the government. >> Exactly. And then another layer. Think of yourselves right now as DODC cleaning up this whole mess. What do we have? We have a destroyed building. Meza is on the run. We have Meets's team. They're all struggling to get back up and awake and figure out what the [ __ ] going on. The Hand. One of them's presumably dead. The others are all beaten up. Get interviews from all of them. What happened? Uh, I don't [ __ ] know cuz we were like mind controlled, but Gan Gray, Jean Gray did this. Gan Gray, Gan Gray, Gan Gray. And you're like, "Okay, okay, okay." So, you check all the cameras in the city. What you're going to find is that uh Spider-Man went into DODC, came out with Jean Gray, and facilitated her escape while the Punisher took him to the hospital, and then he didn't do anything about that either. And uh Jean Gray's killed a whole bunch of people in New York City. Do you understand? The situation is insane. You'll be like, "Okay, so Spider-Man, you're not getting out of the hospital. We're we're cuffing you. Uh same for Punisher, of course, cuz we got to do some interviews. What the [ __ ] happened? Why did she get away? What is going on? Why are there people who are dead? What's happening? Why would the government have been okay with Punisher and Spider-Man deciding that Gan Gray gets to go free? Which again, this camera's everywhere. They would be able to have access to it. This and for the movie to believe this is a wonderfully happy ending. Not only is this an exhaustive sapping of any meaningful consequence, Peter no longer has his own agency, even though this was supposed to be the story where he finally loses all support and guiding authority figures. Peter Parker is bailed out of having sacrificed his life with Ned and MJ by not only giving him closure with MJ, but allowing a farewell only to then reunite him with Ned. >> This does not deprive the story of consequence. Peter's life, if the revelation of his identity and Far From Home never occurred, would be entirely different. He would have moved. He would have went to school. He would have had four years with MJ and his best friend Ned. Even if Aunt May somehow died in that period or wasn't around, he still would have had people that kept him grounded and made him feel loved. >> Yeah. So, I was specifically referring to the sacrifice of MJ and Ned, not whether or not they resurrected Aunt [ __ ] May. >> Why? Why even address like why even bring that up? Instead, he's gone through four years of isolation, becoming nothing but Spider-Man. >> I mean, I disagree that he's gone through four years of isolation is part of my point. He's got loads of social connections and safety nets, as well as amazing equipment. So, I disagree that this is representative of isolation. >> Blaming himself for every bad thing that's ever happened to anyone he's ever loved. And not a single person on Earth even remembers his name. to have no family and to only exist. >> So, you're talking about the beginning of the movie when I was referring to the end where he's friends again with Ned and that he's got a closure with MJ, which is probably going to lead to him being back with MJ with everything that's been set up. >> This is a thankless masked vigilante who has a dusty storage room to live in. >> That's an amazing way to refer to his insane [ __ ] loss. >> His looks crazy $10,000 a month rent in Manhattan. Amazing. [clears throat] >> Probably more. Yeah, probably more actually. I'm probably >> I'm probably getting that wrong. Yeah, that's like a huge loft. >> Also, um did he say thankless? >> It's not thankless. He got the key to the city. >> Well, it's it's the it's the least thankless it's ever been. >> The news like the movie opens with a news montage thanking him for saving the city from crime. >> Yeah. >> So, this is all nonsense. >> Is extremely depressing. And he can only find solace in the distant stalker-like connections with [laughter] >> Why did they write this? >> His previous friend and girlfriend. Ending the film on a positive note with the hope that he can rekindle his friendship with Ned. >> Thank you for repeating my point and not understanding it at all. >> Good job. >> Does not deprive No Way Home of consequence. Peter pow's whole [ __ ] thing. >> Now you're just repeating yourself again. paid for the consequences for those four years and during the plot of this film in which >> those four years that weren't even on screen. What do you mean >> the [ __ ] >> I don't know. And this would be a case of let's let's be slightly less autistic and just sort of think a little bit more like do you really believe that at the end of No Way Home you were ever meant to entertain the possibility that he would like restart the relationship with MJ and Ned, which inevitably means to the exclusion of other Spider-Man supporting characters that you could be developing. Like I don't know why people don't realize this. You're not getting like other Spider-Man supporting characters like it's going to be MJ and Net again. >> You're not you're not getting Stacy and stuff like that. And if if you do, they're going to be in tertiary roles. If that that's what this means. >> Is that what anybody thought was going to happen with No Way Home as a clean reset? >> Well, I did. >> So, uh >> I assume cuz I didn't even >> I was not surprised at all. >> Well, >> I was not surprised at You can guess it from matter, unfortunately. >> I guess so. Yeah. >> Look, because I was I didn't like No Way Home by any merit, I just assumed that the quality of writing was going to continue to go downhill. So, I just assumed Yeah. I mean, that's the only option considering that they're [ __ ] stupid, these writers. Well, um, cuz we had a super chat earlier on. I was going to bring it up, but it said like, "So, do you just not get him a love interest at all then?" And it's like, "Well, just you just introduce all the the new possibilities." Spider-Man's cast of characters is enormous. >> Like, it's so unreal. >> You never had Black Cat like properly. That's never happened on a in a live action. Like, I mean, you had it what briefly set up in Tazm 2. That's it. Like that's something that's totally not been explored, but like you should expect that you're going to get more Zenaia MJ like she will be in the next two movies and >> it would have been so one you I mean I get I agree with Naz in the meta sense obviously we knew probably the quality of writing would deteriorate but you're right otherwise that watching No Way Home just from the story perspective you don't assume that this is where we pick up. If you introduce a new bunch of supporting characters, you can do it in a way that forces him by circumstance to sort of semi undo um the decision he made cuz they want to undo the decision they made. They they don't want him to be alone absolutely forever. if you introduce like a any other Spider-Man character, but like the movie circumstance forces him to get closer to them, even though he's aware that this is like exactly the thing he was trying to avoid. It works better than having him just valitionally go back to the people he left to protect them and then because he has blue balls, just stalk them and then arrive in their flat. You can do it in a way that doesn't totally assassinate his character and basically undo the consequences of the last movie. But they chose the one avenue that could undo all of that whilst also precluding the injection of any new interesting characters to it. It's like the worst decision they could have made and they made it. >> Yeah. I mean, it would tremendously help. Sorry, I'm getting sleepy. Help if uh either of them was were actual characters. >> I would like to make an amendment. >> I was >> I said I said the the four years happened offcreen. It happened in a montage to be fair. >> Yeah, true. That makes like a world of difference. >> Yes, we really got to feel those four years in the montage. >> Definitely. >> She faced struggle >> of the year >> struggle. And the AI explain how to construct the inhibitor while MJ provides the key scientific detail that Peter somehow misses with Frank then coming in clutch to provide the material. So, for this to be a good Spider-Man movie to Mer, does Peter have to be able to do everything himself with no >> I didn't say it was good or bad. I said he didn't have the agency. That's what it was taken away from him throughout this whole film and it's [ __ ] frustrating to me. >> Uh, you do you agree or not? You can say you don't want him to have agency and that's fine, but that's what I'm getting at. All these things that happen, all the major events, they're either driven by other people or they're bailed out for Spider-Man by other people. I find that annoying. Well, if you're going to complain about this technology being too advanced, how can you simultaneously complain that other people that are incredibly intelligent are assisting him to be able to build it? >> What agent that's it's up to the writers how they build anything in this. >> Yeah. I mean, that that would almost be my question is like why why is it that MJ encroaches on like something that Peter Parker can do rather than having different like skills and interests? They chose to do that. they chose to have it that she solved it through essentially the same means that he could have and should have. >> This uh this guy's approach with a lot of this will be like if I said I hate that Captain Marvel is immensely unstoppably powerful in like every scenario and then there's a scene where someone just gives her a light push and she crumbles into ash and she's dead and that's that's the the story and I complain about both those things. His response would be like so you're complaining she's too powerful and not powerful enough. Almost like you're pursuing your dishonest anti-MCU agenda. It's like, wow, way to like miss the point completely. >> Yeah. >> Us making it a group effort from an amalgamation of knowledge rather than making Peter Peter Park. >> It's two people a group. >> Not only that, but um >> he's he's just broadening it out so we don't have any context. What is the context? It's like MJ makes up for Spider-Man's failings regarding science. Like what are we doing? >> You know, if we had Ned do it, would that still work? It's a group thing. If we had Flash do it, if Flash comes in and goes, "Hey, you need to put the [ __ ] wire in the [laughter] He goes, "Oh, well, it's group. It's group. It's teams groups." >> Peter Parker and Gary Stew that is able to do anything. >> Listen, listen how frantic he was getting there. He's uh fumbling, mumbling, >> even has to save Spider-Man from the Hulk. Hell, the Hulk has to save Spider-Man from the Hulk. And somehow it's MJ that has to prompt Peter's realization on the director's lies. What is the problem with other characters in the film causing the narrative to move forward? Would [laughter] >> what is the problem in Spider-Man that everyone else does everything and he catches up with all of them? Is that a problem? I guess it depends on what you're looking for in a movie. I don't know. >> The world of the film not feel vacuous and empty if it was simply Peter and Jean fighting the entire time with >> I'm sorry. When did I suggest this? That was your proposed solution to fix this movie as it's just 100% Spider-Man fighting GR constantly. Don't remember that work with anybody else. >> But any side characters helping to facilitate the investigation or Peter's newound >> like I mean isn't one of the clearest examples like Captain America's got to sort out the relay thing on the helicarrier, but like he needs he needs like Tony to help him do it and Tony needs him to do it. Like that that that's like that's such an easy one of group effort. It's like one person can't do both tasks, so one person has to do one and one has to do the other. And they have to rely on like each other's own unique skills to get the job done with things going wrong in the mix. It's so normal. And then this film can't handle it. >> Found evolution or the creation of the inhibitor. You could have explored the notion of isolation despite new connections being made through the insane cast of characters available instead of shoving Ned and Michelle back in and turning Peter into a 5-year stalker because he doesn't understand how memory works because apparently crime has tanked to an unprecedented low offscreen. The sacrifice from the I still can't [ __ ] believe that. That's the movie I would have liked to have seen, but oh well. >> Yeah. Uh, nope. Nope. >> Home trilogy has been undone by providing him excessive funds, technology, and a whole network of support from every law enforcement institution imaginable. He gets closure and farewells with those he loved on top of reuniting with his best friend. Whereas we had him closing off a life he always wanted in order to protect the woman he loved, he now has been pining for Zenaia for near half a decade until breaking that sacrifice, getting involved in their lives, putting her in immense danger, finding out she isn't even the woman he knew anymore, and she simply doesn't love him. Obviously, >> this film doesn't >> I know it's strange, isn't it? But I guess >> happening >> is his style. I don't know. >> It's a [ __ ] >> need to introduce a new cast of characters for the theme of isolation to resonate with the audience. It would actually feel >> what this [laughter] Can I hear that again? >> Uh, okay. >> Doesn't love him. Obviously, >> this film doesn't need to introduce a new cast of characters for the theme of isolation to resonate with the audience. Yeah, it doesn't Yeah, it doesn't need and it would actually feel kind of strange for me to just abandon this movie. >> This movie doesn't need to do anything. >> Oh god, it's just too much all at once. Like >> you my suggestion is that it provides a bunch of new avenues without destroying what came before. And his response is, yeah, you don't need to do that. >> If anything, it would actually be detrimental to do the obvious correct choice. Well, like that Peter abandoned his friends and girlfriend without a second thought. Like, I'm sorry. I don't remember saying that. I I don't I don't think that's something I said actually. That wasn't even in the suggestion whatsoever. >> Of who he cared about so much before and just hang out with >> it wouldn't be a sacrifice if he didn't care about them. That's the point. >> Mhm. >> It would really undermine that aspect of isolation. >> Uh, no, it would not. It would be something he lost and could never get back. And then he starts, as Platoon was laying out earlier, getting connections naturally with a job that he conducts, different situations he encounters, knowing he should not start new connections, but ones that they just bloom anyway, cuz that's how life works. >> You could have him aware that those connections are being formed and actually trying to push them away because he understands that he's replicating the same conditions that he's already had to shug once before, but then again, circumstance forces him back into them again. So you can account for the sacrifice he made whilst making the sacrifice mean more whilst keeping it intact whilst also introducing new characters whilst also furthering the concept of isolation as being something he is consciously keeping himself uh in like in in the place of like he's not going to just say well actually [ __ ] no way home actually um I I don't really mind too much putting MJ in danger even though I love her because my balls are blue and I saw her kissing Ezra from the Ahsoka show that one time and that's really sad. It's everything about this film story would have been like so much better had they just done it with a new cast of of secondary characters and you could have made it more meaningful. Um it's not to say there's absolutely zero meaning whatsoever in the movie that we got. It's just that most of that meaning is kind of bad and destructive and what little good there is has to sort of ignore everything before and after it because like you might get an isolated scene where it's like okay I can sort of feel what he's feeling but then in order to get there he's had to be a complete [ __ ] spatula. So it's just >> and again the sacrifice from No Way Home was not undone. >> I don't know how you keep saying this. >> It was undone. It's totally undone. Everyone Peter Parker loves in this universe is either dead or has no connection to him anymore. >> Not true. Did you not watch the movie? You liar. >> I wonder what the count is up to. >> Can call upon a reality warping sorcerer to fix his problems. >> Spider-Man. >> He can. Yeah, he's uh >> through Spider-Man. He has these connections. He doesn't have them with Peter Parker, but they all would have experience with Spider-Man. And remember, uh, Strange just kind of was pretty on board with the spell casting, um, up until it all went wrong, which he wouldn't even remember anymore. So, >> Mhm. >> All good. Spider-Man's probably got a free pass, one good spell. >> He now has a rocky relationship with the police, with >> the police. >> Uh, no, he doesn't. He has a very He has a very [snorts] sound relationship. >> She's very enthusiastic with Peter. It's not Rocky at all. >> Mhm. GC are pretty chill with him, too. >> They're very chill. The the movie ends the last scene of Trapper Dewolf is her like being closer to him than ever before. >> Almost kills a cop and she says, "Hey, please don't do that again." >> Yeah, >> he doesn't. He can get away with crazy [ __ ] And then he's also got the Avengers. >> Jean DeWolf being willing to defend him. >> No, sorry. Gene DeWolf, is that her name? >> Uh, I don't think so. >> It's Tra. It would be [laughter] It would be weird if there was a character called two characters called Gene in the same >> Let me check cuz I don't remember what her first name is. It would be funny if it is. >> But maybe it is. Yeah, >> cuz obviously I prefer rapper to Wolf for sure. Um >> Wolf. >> Is it Jade? Really? Sheila Rivera. Wait, how many names does this person have? >> That's No, cuz it's uh that's not her, right? Why is this hard to find? name of the wolf. Wait, that's not going to help. [laughter] >> It doesn't matter. >> It is Gan DeWolf according to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. >> Really? >> Yeah, it is. I just found >> that's a Martha situation then, isn't it? >> That's funny >> cuz that's going to be like annoying, isn't it? Gan DeWolf and Jean Gray. [laughter] >> I thought that was too coincidental, but yeah, apparently your name is Gene. >> What you say that name? >> Why' you say that name? on the inside and is on speaking terms with one member of the Avengers that has no powers. >> Oh, he's on speaking terms with all the Avengers. >> The the the leader I like how he says that one with no powers. Yolena is the leader of the new Avengers. >> Why are we pretending like Spider-Man isn't allowed to talk to everybody in the Avengers? What are we doing? What's going on? Look, with technology and connections that he has, he has um sort of a what is that word? He he can make anyone available for himself. Like he can connect to and contact anyone in the world. He's that power. Spider-Man is and his technology and AI is. He can do anything he wants. And he could even decide to actually come out to one of those people. Like the fact that no one knows him, it's just mostly like self-inflicted at this point because it's been five years in seclusion. He can definitely meet people. He just decides not to. >> It's not the tragedy of his life. The tragedy is that oh, Ned and Zenaia forgot about him, but that's, you know, doesn't mean that he has to be isolated forever and he can't meet new people. >> He's so well connected that the Hulk remembers him and lets him live. The Hulk does that. This guy seems to think that because you only see him chat with Yolina, therefore that's the only person he can chat with, whereas I would say that the ease with which he can chat with the Alina kind of is evidence that he can easily chat with basically anybody else as well. There's nothing. If he can chat with the leader of the new Avengers, why can't he chat with any other member of the new Avengers? >> Yeah, I don't get where he's getting that from. Why would we why would we act like he would be deprived of the connections when like everybody knows Spider-Man worked with like the Avengers in Infinity War and Endgame? Those connections still ex He does realize that, right? Like everybody still knows who Spider-Man is. >> He seems confused. I don't I don't like I said, it's it's really weird to be like there's only one Avenger he speaks to and she doesn't have any powers. Such a weird thing to say. >> And and then just never mind that she's literally the leader of the new Avengers. >> She's the boss. I'd have the same amount of resources as MCU Peter Parker previously did. >> You kind of have more now, right? >> Yeah. With Peter Palance here. [laughter] Yeah. >> Sorry. >> Who had literally Iron Man in his contact list. >> He has everyone in his contact list. >> Everyone. Yeah. >> Oh, >> he would still have Iron Man. Like >> Yep. >> War machine. He has the rescue armor. Peppa. I don't [ __ ] know. He has all the equivalent care. >> [laughter] >> Also portraying this as Peter getting MJ in more danger of his own fault intentionally. >> Yeah. His obsession with her caused this. Yes. >> Yeah. You still had that letter. >> Yep. >> Feels intentionally dishonest on Mer's behalf. >> Intentionally dishonest. >> You are You are so casual with saying that and you shouldn't be. >> Unfortunately, this is the festering of this like environment. I've seen so many different uh dudes with the Spider-Man gameplay specifically when they're not even talking about Spider-Man and the setup is just, you know, Avatar and it's like clip respond, clip respond. It's the most like production meat factory sludge that just comes out instantly. And I think to get more like look at the title, right? Debunking the worst Spider-Man. It's like you're trying to get into the algorithm. You don't actually think any of this [ __ ] Loads of this stuff has been contradictory. You haven't listened to anything I've said. >> Do better. And also encourage your peers to do better. >> Cuz I don't know, you you just shouldn't feel so you should it shouldn't be so casual to essentially um to to to claim like dishonesty rather than he got something wrong. It's better to say that Mhler is stupid. Yes. Like it would be better to say that than to like to just feel so comfortable with this. >> A film following the No Way Home final scene with Peter seeing MJ one last time in the diner in which he keeps the letter and decides not to give it her to her. then giving it narrative consequence in this film is only logical in >> if you say so mate [laughter] you've just decided it is >> this review Mer seemingly enjoys the storytelling of No Way Home and can forgive its own internal inconsistenc I don't forgive anything that I think is a problem in that movie. >> Nope. That's right. Yeah. >> It's really not complicated. I like the movie, but it's got all of these problems and I I these are the problems and I accept them >> each for the sake of its presentation of its themes. >> Why are you making this up? Where is that in your video? >> No, it's just some hidden thing. I I do enjoy this as if this is like hidden like almost like it's a concealed bit of knowledge. Did you know that Waller likes No Way Home even though it's got problems? What what he's doing here is he's trying to essentially he's giving himself cover for his own dumb [ __ ] analysis by like trying to allege that you're a hypocrite as you do the same thing. He is what he's done all the way through this video to the extent he's done anything cogent at all is to say yeah but if you cut that out of the movie it would be too short so there wouldn't be themes so you should forgive it for the sake of the magic expression. Mhler you're a hypocrite because that's exactly what you do for for No Way Home as is evidenced by the zero times that happens in your video. He's trying to like poison the world by saying you're just doing the same thing as he's doing, but you're being dishonest by not applying the same standard to Brand New Dave. Probably because you're a grifter. I don't know. >> Like I said, he's always unfamiliar with power levels. Like the Star Wars throw he did which [ __ ] flumped. And then this again was just like you forgive No Way Home. It's like it's not how that works. Nope. No Way Home did massive damage to Doctor Strange irreversibly. So, if Mer finds this drama in Peter's life regarding his identity and the people he once knew to be a compelling idea from the end of No Way Home, then I don't know how he can hate it here because it has narrative consequence. >> I would posit the reverse. If you find it compelling at the end of No Way Home, I don't know how you can find it compelling in this film when they undo it and then repurpose it into something worse. in this film. It isn't simply >> it's just so um part at the end of Andor shoots himself in the head to to avoid thing and um the predator at the end of Prey also shoots itself in the head. >> And you don't like it in one of them, then you shouldn't like it in the other one either because it's the same idea, right? So a character has shot themselves in the head. So you're a hypocrite if you if you don't say that prey is as good as andor seems to be. Just just because the same trope appears at two different things doesn't mean the same trope is equally good, valid, or well done. It everything depends on the context. Ironically, for a guy who keeps accusing other people of leaving all the context out. He just doesn't seem to understand what context even is conceptually. >> Done. MJ has to reject Peter to his face and he just has to accept it and keep fighting to keep her safe. Do you think like the the punch he's trying to give it to make it sound more like impactful when that scene was so [ __ ] awkward to watch when it was like >> you don't love me? It's like obviously not. I'm not even >> How well is this going to age when she's going to be in the next movie? Like almost guaranteed I'd say at this point she'll be in the next movie and the relationship will be reestablished >> because that's what heroes do. >> Don't even start with that [ __ ] mate. [laughter] Good God. >> The existence of the note turned out to be an ironic foil to Peter's plan to keep his identity under wraps, taking the choice of whether or not to tell the truth to MJ and Ned away from him entirely. Peter has been acting upon his own agency for the last four years by attempting to obscure his identity and just live as >> you mean all the stuff we didn't see. I'm talking about the movie where he doesn't get to use his agency and it seems like you've conceded. So, I'm I'm pretty much good to just move on. Spider-Man what he sees as the best way to do good and make up for what happened to his aay. >> Peter incorporates his shadow self in the story. He finds his balance in being Peter Parker and Spider-Man when faced with the idea he has to choose. Something that was previously shown great consequence now exists as a copout allowing him everything he wanted. The fame, celebration, social network, finance, technology, and psychological peace. Despite the pain and hardship that Spider-Man faces, I don't know where people get this idea that all Spider-Man stories need to just be Peter Parker torture porn. Who said that? >> Wow. Yeah, I didn't even That's just Who was this? Was this cut in from a different video or something? Did he accidentally play this clip in in the wrong place? I mean, his previous [ __ ] defense was, "No, you're wrong to say that the themes of isolation are badly served in this film because look how isolated and alone and in pain he is." And now it's I don't know why everybody insists that Spider-Man movies must feature Peter Parker isolated and in pain. He's not even responding to his own video, never mind yours. Say that three times fast. However, Mer is also lying here. >> Lying. You are lying here. >> Okay. >> About the good things that happened to Peter. He's still not even close to putting his life back to what it once was. He lives in a dusty storage room that was previously >> calling it dusty. Why are you saying that? >> He lives in He lives in an amazing loft in Manhattan with crazy tech, reestablished connections with his old friends, as well as a whole bunch of incredibly useful connections like to Yolena and to even starting to create [ __ ] Bruce Banner. like effortlessly. That's the whole point. He's got everything. There's like like nothing really that is deprived from him. >> Prior to him moving in, he has only a handful of people on Earth who know who he is and now also has to watch his back from manipulation and betrayal by the government as well as keep up his typical conflicts with various criminals. >> Peter still beat them all. He beat them all. And not only that, just like, you know, I just don't I don't think so. What I was talking about was this broad undoing of all of the pressures that Spider-Man was experiencing from No Way Home and then just like bailing him out of all the consequences that should have come from the decisions in this film. And his response is, well, Spider-Man's, you know, he's still fighting crime, still got to deal with like the government trying to find out who he is or whatever. It's just like, uh-huh. Again, just feels like he's not even listening to me. movie broke and alone and ends the film broke and a little less lonely. A >> little less, huh? I also I I just don't I don't agree. He was never alone. It's just made up. Like, but the film has him sad and he's in that room alone. It's like, uh-huh. I see. What about all the connections he has? It's like, why why you know just >> what do you want him to do? Die? That is part of the theme and the message of what Aunt May wanted him to do. And part of Peter returning over these last four years has been him needing to realize that he cannot just isolate himself. >> He wasn't isolated. So I don't even know why why I should care about that. He wasn't >> be Spider-Man. These films would be pretty boring and would lack substance if Spider-Man didn't have his amazing friends to tell these dramatic story lines with. Um um these these films wouldn't be very interesting if you didn't have amazing friends to tell the stories with. I don't even know what to do with that. Functions as shitty DLC for No Way Home that undermines all of the character and thematic work. In addition, this story is more so about redeeming a psychotic monster for no reason than it is a stress test of Peter Parker's principles, of which he fails. >> Peter does not fail. upon his own moral frameworks. >> Yeah, he does. He He pulls Ned back into his life for a selfish need that puts him back in danger, which is breaking the principle he'd set with a full understanding of the capacity for it. If you built relationships that make you feel less alone that are also in the capacity of like solving and beating crime in the form of Avengers, DODC, police, and stuff, that's the story you can tell. And it's even the one that we suggested uh could then lead to better connections. you know, your average prologue scene where he's defeating some guy and he's having trouble, but Black Cat helps him and then they both talk at the end of it and it's like he's he's distant and the film is about how he's doing this with a lot of his relationships. He's trying to stay away from people but eventually just can't, you know, keep doing that. Falls into relationships and then has to deal with the consequences of that because that's inevitable. No, instead we have him definitively understanding just how important all of those rules were, especially with what happens with MJ. And then choosing to put Ned back in harm's way and being like, "Yeah, but I don't want to be alone. I don't want to be isolated. I don't want to end up like Frank." And it's just like the movie doesn't even back any of this cuz he's not alone in the first place. But yes, he failed simply by telling Ned the truth. In fact, after his conversation with MJ previously in the film and how she said that she felt disrespected by Peter for him not telling her the truth, it made him realize that the value and honesty and sees that as a valid method of getting his old friend back. >> He sees the value in honesty. Do you understand why he made the choice at the end of No Way Home? Cuz he believes that by being with them, it puts them in a position where they could die. Do you think he values that above or below them knowing the truth? Besides, I mean, they're never going to be able to know or experience the actual truth because those versions of themselves are erased. There's a lot more interesting things happening that could have been dealt with, but unfortunately, we skipped all the years in which it happened. So, never mind. >> Back in his life, the theme of this film is learning that self-imposed isolation is not the solution for your own mental issues. stop repeating the same [ __ ] five sentences. >> It doesn't even do it. I'm sorry. Like the film just doesn't achieve this. I've had people say like it's the one thing they they take from it they really enjoy. Even if it's like really badly written, I'm just like I'm afraid that's what you're bringing to it. It does not capture what it feels like to be isolated. He has so many social connections. It's insane. So many pieces of access. He's he's obsessed with two or one in particular, two loosely that he that he really really wants. He's not actually isolated except from particularly one person. The actual unintended theme of the movie is that you should put the people you love most in mortal danger if it makes you feel happier. That seems to be the lesson he takes. It's like the end of the movie, the line that he improvised. Oh, wow. Well done, Tom Holland. I've learned not to do this alone anymore. Well, what does that entail? That that presumably means you're going to still [ __ ] around with Ned and MJ who now know your identity. And there's a lot more people who are kind of suspicious of your identity. And even if they don't know your Peter Parker, they they will eventually come to understand that Spider-Man has some association with these two. So once again, you put them back in the position that you ended No Way Home freeing them from because you couldn't handle being a [ __ ] Instagram stalker. >> Yeah. this is not a good theme >> and that he had been fighting for what May wanted in the wrong way. >> Also, to be clear, Jean could have been given a story that even related to the notion of redemption. Please see Faith story in Buffy. But this film doesn't bother uh platoon, erase that from memory. Gaba ghoul, >> it is gone. >> Crying [laughter] doesn't even believe she requires redemption. The film doesn't even know she's evil for [ __ ] sake. Peter himself says in this movie that what she's doing should be unforgivable. >> No, you [ __ ] [laughter] you you totally like you just completely like the the point that the movie makes is that you kind of meant to like move past that. They want you to he said that, but that was when he didn't understand that he was wrong about everything, which is what he literally says to uh to Frank um when uh when he when he's going in. The whole point of the movie is you think that she's the bad guy, but you've actually you you didn't have all the right information. She isn't actually the bad guy. Case in point, she gets to go off. Doesn't go to jail. Gets to just go off scot-free. >> The government is clearly still looking for her and she is fleeing to try and hide herself. >> She'll be fine. If the film attempted to redeem her by the end, but all the previous scenes also happened to establish her threat level, power set, and state of mind, then Mer would just complain that the film should >> Oh, is that what we're doing? >> We can't We can't apply M's fix. He'll complain anyway. I guess Good Face out the window. Not that it ever was in the [ __ ] room. >> Horned in her redemption arc for an irredeemable villain. Also, Jean came. I love how I even cited an example of someone who I'm not going to say anything, but if I think that she's managed to make some [ __ ] headway, whatever. He doesn't know who that is. It doesn't matter. >> Through later storytelling in the MCU that isn't inherently this >> Yeah, but they won't though. Yeah, that's not going to happen though. And and you obviously it's not going to happen. The redemption has happened. That is what the view will be of the MCU. The redemption has happened in this movie and now we can just move on to X-Men. >> Spider-Man: Brand New Day is a bloated, disjointed, nonsensical, disrespectful. Dude, I'm just starting to have flash. It's like he hasn't addressed so many of my arguments from this video. Did he even go over the hand at all? >> I don't think so. >> I guess we've got time. Maybe he didn't talk about the Kingpin obvious problem there that like Spider-Man and Kingpin there's just no acknowledgement at all, which I'm pretty sure is in your video, right? Uh, problem is I wouldn't know because he's deliberate. He's he's omitted context. But but if I was him, I would say that he's lied. >> It's definitely in there because I used the the images of Kingpin's poster or on set. >> Chaotic disaster with a heavy dollop of [ __ ] on top. It is stuffed with, as you know, dialogue. Plot holes are plenty, as well as constant stretches to facilitate the extremely weak story. I agree with this guy. all for a rehash of a better executed theme from a better story while assassinating everyone in the process >> within that ramble. He said so many words. >> You calling me a ram? >> Wow. But also like it's not a ramble. This is this is obviously a conclusion. >> Yeah. >> It's like a summary. >> It's not anything. >> Yeah. Like it's it's kind of about as tight as you can get for for it. It's just touch on each major point. But within that ramble, he says, >> which is really funny given that we can hear him rambling. Like we can we can hear it in your voice when you're tripping over the word. >> Smell it, too. [laughter] >> Yeah, that's right. We know we sense it with our spider sense. That >> doesn't work on the Hulk, but it works on people rambling. >> But very little of substance. Quote unquote as you know dialogue is his first complaint. And then he shows Peter's AI talking to him. Yes. about information that the audience could infer from the visuals. >> Oh, thanks for agreeing with me. Good stuff. Good. Moving on to the next thing. Great. Thank you. >> However, the AI has no in universe reason to not state this information. >> My man, I love you. Okay. I I appreciate you. You're a great person. You're doing so well. Look, >> this is not a real thing that's happening. >> The writers, they're allowed to do whatever they want. They can make it so the writer, the the AI didn't say anything at all. They can do that. They have the power to do that. Isn't that crazy? Because you know what else the AI doesn't say constantly is every single thing Peter's doing all the time. It doesn't constantly exposit. I'm picking on it for the times where it does and it doesn't need to, but it does it anyway. It's one of the most I think it's like the first thing when when we got into a call ready for the stream for brand new day, the first thing Rag said when he got in here was making fun of that. He was like, "Your senses are overloaded. the alarm system is saying while you're [ __ ] freaking out. >> Stupid. >> It's so stupid. You all to tell me there is a reason in universe why the AI is expositing is so [ __ ] funny when you've already admitted it doesn't need to >> that is critical of the plot. Alternatively, opening up the film to another line of criticism if the AI did stay silent. >> Why? Why would that be criticism? >> Yeah, what would be the criticism there if it didn't say your senses are overloaded? It's so stupid because you could of course say why would the AI tell you Peter, you can't hear anything right now. [laughter] >> They're trying to emulate what Tony had with Jarvis. But what they they're missing the point of that that was used as a comedic thing, right? Cuz Jarvis would state something very very obvious and Tony would be like, "Yeah, thanks for information, dude." and he just about crashed or something like that's how it was played off. But here it's just like what are we doing? >> And which Mer would ask why doesn't Peter's AI tell him about the shot? >> Oh Jesus. >> Why doesn't AI not sure where you got that one from, but all right >> put a little bit of effort in. Also, uh I if you could match an a complaint like that I've had before, then show me an example to to kind of at least get close to proving that's something I would do. Cuz you start to get really [ __ ] lazy where you're like, "Yeah, you might be right, but if you we had it your way, you'd complain anyway." It's like, "Oh, like why'd you even make this video if that's all you got to say?" >> Up and sudden spike in his hormones that could be damaging his health. He complains about plot holes in the film and then he shows the hand and Jean Gray. >> Oh, here we go. What have we got? as if either of their existence in this universe is a plot hole. >> Would you want to show my arguments? >> Yeah, like that might be that might even though I don't even you don't even need the argument. But hey, you know, if you could present that >> summary section is representative of the previous sections where I explained these things you would have made. You don't even need the argument how the hand even here when they were destroyed. >> I don't think does he just not know >> precisely? Well, but he said, >> but it's in my video. So, yeah, I don't >> be in your video. It must be. So, yeah, I don't know what that's about. >> Yes, the hand has been beaten before via the Netflix Marvel content. However, this would not be the first time a major thought to be defeated villain faction group. [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. But we're just going to what? Introduce them again offcreen and then defeat them again off screen. And you think that's okay? You think that's >> just to be clear, right? It's like we have this major force. They've been wiped out and yet they are back. That seems like a plot hole to me. And he's like, "Well, so you don't seem to understand. They were wiped out and then they came back. >> It's so bad. >> I don't know what to say to people like this. I I just, you know, you're just saying >> I It's just Don't do this. Don't do media analysis. You can't do it. >> And the reformed itself out of nowhere offcreen. The Mandarin's 10 rings have existed for >> Oh, yes. Remember we famously said the mandarin's 10 rings was a great choice and that that made complete sense >> enjoys about Shani. >> Yeah, we love Shani here. Favorite film >> for hundreds if not thousands of years. >> Don't [ __ ] cite Hydra. Is he about to? Cuz like that would be the next step, right? And if if he's going to okay Hydra doesn't make any [ __ ] sense whatsoever that they even like there's problems with Hydra in the first place but being wiped out and coming back in anyway cuz isn't that what um Falcon the Winter Soldier that guy's like left over from Hydra or whatever the >> Mr. Super Soldier serum man cuz he he was the one that made the one that made uh Winter Soldier and everything and that was already confusing as hell. >> Is he is he gonna >> Hydra? >> Yeah. [laughter] rebuilt itself within the US government. [sighs] >> Why we I mean they actually you know this is earlier phases they showed us that though they gave us reasons >> involving and still >> and still I don't think it's very good. Like I I've never liked the whole Hydra got away with like immense uh corruption all over SHIELD and the government. I've I've never thought it was that great anyway. I like the idea of it, but the the delivery and the deployment leaves a lot to be desired. And yet, there's still much more to it than there is in this film. There's an attempt to explain it. There's an attempt to account for it. >> I've said before the the the bunker AI man that always kills me in Winter Soldier part of the that's like super important for the rebuilding of Hydra and it was so silly, but you know, >> far something at least it is something. >> Yeah. Yeah, the the the hand just show up almost contextless and you realize the only reason that's the case from the writers, they just want to facilitate an action scene with the hand. And I think that's [ __ ] >> The surviving member, >> you got to work harder than that. >> Of the hand would rebuild, especially now that nearly a decade of in universe time has likely passed since the MCU. >> Yeah. And Dana wouldn't do [ __ ] even though they're like his mortal enemy. >> And they're described as like kids who just needed a guiding hand, which is not at all what the [ __ ] hand are. No, that's not what the hand is. They're like kind of chasing immortality. They're actually pretty pretty crazy. >> Multifaceted plot hole. He has no idea what he's dealing with and he's just said, "Well, Hydra came back, so they >> Yeah, when it's just much simpler. It's just you just want to you want to like the movie and uh and you can't like it when you start to realize that there are problems with the movie because nobody can really. Usually when lots and lots and lots of problems present themselves, it becomes a bit of a problem, a bit of a challenge just subconsciously to to get much out of the movie. >> Since the MCU version of the Defender story line, he also says that the story is a rehash of a theme better executed in another film while showing footage from No Way Home, which has entirely different theme, subject matter, and tone from Brand New Day. >> Shut the [ __ ] up about the theme. Oh my god. [laughter] um isolated himself away from all the people he cares and loves in order to commit to a a righteous like you know job that any other weaker person would try and balance the both of them out of desperation and he chooses that he's going to make that sacrifice is completely undone and then redone horribly. Yeah, I stand by that. Um, there are other things going on in No Way Home, but uh, the isolation aspect is definitely introduced and covered as like a tragic but still hopeful ending. And that's what I'm saying. I'm saying Brand New Day does such a horrible job. It does worse than the 10 minutes that No Way Home attacks this sort of like idea. >> This film challenges the notion that Peter asserts at the end of No Way Home. It questions whether he made the right choice to spend those four years. >> No, it doesn't. He's not alone in this film. It doesn't. the four and and also the four years isolated was the choice of this movie. >> Yeah. >> Not for him to like still participate in the world and then get like new friends, new relationships that present like new challenges. That was this film's choice, not No Way Home's choice. >> And then a theme of selfisolation that is impossible in No Way Home's context given that it is a mult >> what do you what teamup story? No, my [snorts] you [laughter] know what the theme is impossible to be isolation in Brand New Day because he is friends with MJ and Ned uh by the end of it and he talks to him and hangs out with him. There you go. That's what the movie is. Besides, what's funny is that my criticism is that it can't be about isolation because of the amount of times he's [ __ ] isolated. While No Way Home, like I said, happy to say it's about multiple things, but the end he selfisolates completely out of pure sacrifice. In this film, he never actually has to make that decision and he does the opposite. And you're saying like, well, he learned that it's wrong to isolate. [laughter] His initial lesson isn't wrong at all. If you involve more loved ones into your life, they they're going to be more exposed to being used as leverage or hurt. That stands true. All we've learned is that it has like a negative effect on his isolationism, but again, not properly captured because of the amount of relationships he still has. The the real meat of Brand New Day's pressure on Peter is the stalking aspect. It's not that he's alone. It's that he wants these two people specifically. He needs them. He needs them back. And when he finds out he can't immediately rekindle with MJ, that's like one of the most depressing things ever. What is the suicidal part brought on by? Is it the fact that he can't have any friends or is it the fact that a different guy is kissing MJ? >> Yeah. And that makes him killing himself. >> You know what I mean? The film is not about the consequences of isolation. It's that he's pining after one woman and he can't get her. And we all know what that's associated with as behavior or what theme that would be more associated with. You guys aren't willing to do this yet. It's not long enough. >> It would be It starts with the letter O. >> We're not doing it because the film hasn't been out long enough. >> There's another movie. There's another movie that might have been about that subject. >> Interesting thought. Yes, maybe. >> Yeah, thank God MCU, but we might. Who knows? I mean, he could [laughter] he could 3D print it. >> That's right. 3D print. >> He should 3D print a friend. >> [laughter] >> more people know who Spider-Man is on the Eevee. >> Yeah. >> In the MCU than people know who Tom Holland is on the Earth in real life. It's pretty hard to tell a story of isolation with that being the context. >> Yeah. Well, they should have tried if they wanted to, but they didn't. >> It's also not even true. You can be isolated even if like people like you can be isolated even in the company of people. >> Yeah. >> Yes. A is a realiz who escapes all accountability and the film seems to have no clue this happens. I suppose we can call it the wonder syndrome. Jean kills countless innocent people when having absolutely no reason to while enjoying the cruelty of torture and sexual assault with no sense of accountability in sight. Even ending up sparing the one actual piece of [ __ ] that killed her sister. The justification is meant to be her lack of trust in anyone. >> He's going to let so much of this play that he doesn't have to acknowledge um what you just said about >> I'm curious if he Yeah. how much of this he gets through Peter and MJ on on that front. >> One after his sister is abducted by a group of people who are essentially and simply evil by notable contrast to most everyone else. As though we're supposed to believe this event temporarily took her out of character and put her on a path of a [ __ ] serial killer. Whereas you would think she would only target those at the higher end of the DODC while giving her unique insight on the kind of damage she is seen. I think you've let too much play at this point. Like how are you going to address all of this? >> That seems to be the strategy. And I'm I'm not going to do what he does and accuse him of doing it deliberately. But if you let enough play with a number of points being made, then you pick one of them seemingly at random and then you combine it with like a vague amalgam of what you remember the rest of the points as being. This seems to be how he gets away with just saying anything. Doesn't really reference any of the arguments being made because he's just he's just sort of fuddled them all together and then gives a very vague sort of response >> to random innocent people. But no, >> Ma keeps ignoring the context given in the film. [laughter] >> How many times you say this [ __ ] that they'd be wrong? >> Very reliable. This is go to >> and her sister have been abandoned by their family and are being persecuted by the government with >> Why would that account for any of this? What are you talking about? They were mind raping people >> with no due process. Jean [laughter] has no reason to love humanity because humanity would take everything from her. >> Sh. She has no reason. Do you know who's in humanity? Do you know who? >> Sarah Gray. >> People Sarah Gray. That's in there. That's that one. >> Oh [ __ ] Whoops. And like we said earlier and he still hasn't managed to understand this in the course of making his video. Uh she is better poised than anyone on Earth. Maybe barring Wander. Do you understand that she can indeed trust the goodness of people cuz she can know them inside out when jumping into their heads? Unless you want to admit that everyone is evil and thus Gene was correct. You have to choose one if you want. >> If it had the chance, you are deliberately depriving this context from your analysis. >> You aren't even addressing my arguments. So what the [ __ ] do I care? >> Well, humanity would take everything from her given. So So the old woman who [laughter] she hijacks and makes like she would have killed her sister if given the chance or the old man who she threw trucks in front of a taxi. any of these totally normal people. >> Something I was told, I don't know if it was a super chat or in Discord, is that apparently Anthony Guglia does say in his stream response to my video that if Jean Gray possesses someone and treats them horribly, it's worth assuming they're a horrible person cuz she would know. Amazing. I love it. >> To harm the perception of the film artificially >> and it is the notion. >> Oh, that's it. All of that. By the way, >> your heart reput officially >> sexual assault and sadistic uh enjoyment and cruelty. And he he me references Yeah. Well, her family like the abandonment, her sister and the government are persecuting her. What the [ __ ] does that have to do with enjoying torturing innocent people? What are you talking about? Why you Why you Why would you reveal this about yourself? Of her beauty and brilliance that stops her rampage right up to the doorstep of DOC Hitler. No, you're not explaining the context in order to be dishonest again. >> You can't keep saying that and then not proving it. >> Holy [ __ ] >> So, you're so willing to just fall back on that. >> Jean was abandoned by her mother specifically and feels isolated. The film making shows her yearning for a family when she sits in the park with her sister and keeps focusing on the random woman and her child. Peter being the kind soul he is, believes in forgiveness and that there is still good within Jean, but that she has been acting violently to try and save someone that she loves. >> Address the torture for fun. Address the sexual assault. >> How does How does chucking MJ off a roof get her materially closer to finding her sister? >> God do that >> without caring about the people. >> Peter understands her violence because she needs to save her sister. Well, yeah. Yeah. >> You understand her violence? >> Sure. >> The kindness and love from a motherly figure reminds Jean who she is as a person. >> We know who she is. We we know damn well who she is at this point. >> I mean I mean it's it's this thing of like oh deep down it's like is there even such a thing as deep down or are you just like what you do? >> I mean a lot of better stories will tell you the latter. What a [ __ ] dirty scummy move to do on Aunt May as well. Are you really telling me that if Aunt May were alive and she were presented with someone who had tortured people, murdered people on mass, um chucked people off rooftops, sexually assaulted people, that Aunt May would say, "It's just important that you remember that you're special?" Really? Are [laughter] we really saying that about her in the grave? And she has a change of heart after Peter gets shot and attempts to save his life using her powers. >> Change of heart from terrorism. >> I mean, [laughter] >> love it. >> Besides, you know, she's willing to save Peter at this point, but I think uh I think she probably still harbors quite a bit of Remember, she thought humanity was worthless according to this guy. Like, so, >> you know, I think Peter gets the pass, but who knows if anyone else does. It's going to be difficult to deal with her in the X-Men movie. doesn't undo the bad thing she did. But she was also in a situation with no pacifist route of resistance. The government wanted to kill her. >> She is uniquely her. >> Oh my god. Sorry. Yeah. Uniquely capable of a pacifist run. >> Uniquely capable. >> Yeah. If we consider every single superhero active in the MCU at this point, she's the number one capable of doing the pacifist run to complete her goals. >> Even Even Wonder was less capable of doing the pacifist run. But it's just an incredibly stupid thing to say. >> Only family. However, this is also a narrative parallel to the Punisher in this film, who is typically a violent person that is on his own path of revenge that decides to actually do something good and tries to save a life after being changed by people. >> I'm sorry. Why are we treating the Punisher like he is similar to Gan Gray? >> Yeah. Like not even remotely similar. And it's kind of what's been talked about, which is that he keeps getting reset. Punisher has like already learned how to save people. >> Yeah. I don't >> like he's gone on this point multiple times. He just went on it again in the Punisher special that came out before this, like a couple of months before this. And he has to learn the lesson again in Spider-Man. What are we doing? >> Good morals. >> Here before last time I said it. Arguably after Thanos, is she one of the worst people in the history of MCU? The answer is yes. And probably even worse than Thanos because at least Thanos had self-awareness. >> Well, >> and everyone else around him had self-awareness. >> The only time you can kind of rank her as better than other people is usually by consequence of actions because his motivation was to make the universe a better place. He was insane. Mad Titan, that sort of [ __ ] His his ideas are not going to work out. He He is wrong is kind of what I'm getting at. Vulture, for example. I want to get money to make me and mine good, and I'll do it as best I can without hurting people, but I will hurt people if they get in my way. Like, oh, okay. The reason why a lot of these different characters don't rank as high as her in terms of evil is cuz a lot of this was sadistic and enjoyed. She likes causing pain. >> Yes. >> I don't Why did they show her smile when she dropped MJ off? Why did they do that? >> Sinister smile. a sinister smile. I mean, god damn. Mysterio was like a psycho, but like that was strictly just sort of his own personal advancement was that that was like an indifference essentially like a a lack of valuing of people's lives. Even that >> is is like compared to just actually enjoying hurting people. Like Mysterio didn't care about hurting people. Like she enjoys it. That's crazy. How do you like someone who's more psychopathic than Mysterio? And that's the thing is like there's a reason that ranks almost at like spot number one. Enjoy. Like you pursue the the torture and the cruelty of life, innocent life for the sake of it. That's your that's what you want. Like oh wow, that's like really evil. That's reserved for like the most evil. >> Like as you said, like almost almost like every single villain we've had up until now, every single one of them has a reason and motivation behind it, behind their actions. No matter how [ __ ] up, right? Every single one of them had justified their actions in their heads. When it comes to Jean, she has no motivation to do all this [ __ ] She just does it for the sake of doing it because it's fun, I guess. I don't know. Just cuz she can, which is so much worse than anything else anyone has in the cinematical universe. >> On top of everything we've gone through too, she gets a unique understanding of the damage she does cuz she's in their heads. >> Mhm. Amazing they wrote this. And Frank simply don't give a [ __ ] about Bruce being ced off to a psychiatric hospital as a result of the authorities [laughter] having no clue why he snapped when Peter knows exactly why and how this hero has been mindontrolled and does nothing to help him. >> The DODC work for the United States federal government and are aware of the Gan Gray problem. Meaning that truthfully the government would know what happened to Bruce and what the news said. Oh, I don't give a [ __ ] about any of this. I was talking about Spider-Man and Frank helping their friend who saved the universe. So, address the actual comment. >> Oh, well, you know, whatever. >> Let's not let's not speculate in hopes that the government and the DODC eventually decide that Bruce can be let go because of what Gene may or may not do and what her powers may or may not be. If you remember, the news report says he's in custody. He's off to psychiatric hospital. And then Ned's like, "Oh, no." Like, so sad. >> Anyway. Anyway, >> the top gear thing. [laughter] >> So, uh, yeah, please address the argument. You never do this. >> It was merely the public knows. Bruce probably did need to visit a psychiatric hospital. >> Ah, I see. You know what? You're in favor of it, actually. Yes. Let's get him out of here. He's a He's a bit of a danger. He's a bit of a worry that Bruce >> after what happened as it is very likely traumatizing to relapse on becoming the >> Oh, yeah. What is What is the traumatizing experience again? Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. It was Jean Gray [ __ ] with him completely again. the guy who saved the universe. The guy who brought back trillions upon trillions of lives, tortured him, ruined him after he'd found peace being a teacher. Like I said, I don't even like the way that they've treated the Hulk throughout most of the MCU. But that stuff really pisses me off. Like everything he's been through, he finds this piece and then Jean Gray just casually, cruy, and sadistically enjoys doing this to him. And then on top, the heroes are like, "Well, that just happened anyway." Hulk after so long of not losing control like that. That doesn't mean Peter abandoned him. >> No, it he did though. That's what happened. I even showed the shot of it. He just let it go. He didn't do anything about it. And you can't make any excuses of like, oh, he was busy with this, that, and the other thing. He went off and played [ __ ] games with his friends after that scene. >> They don't even start. >> Would you say that every person that was ever left in a psychiatric ward for actual treatment in real life was him? >> Well, no, because that would be a stupid thing. I know what you're already ramping up to. That would be a stupid thing to say. Um, [laughter] it's almost like it's completely unrelated to what we're talking about right now. Why would you even do this? >> Would you say every person who's ever been put into a psychiatric ward was abandoned? Like, uh, no. So, now what? [laughter] You might have to deal with the actual argument, I guess. >> What are you doing? >> Simply abandoned by their family. >> No. No. J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J Jonah, despite it being an obvious avenue for conflict, a way to explore a job for Peter, a source of income, a place to meet new people, people he would have to stay away from until building more of a connection. It would even provide somewhat an explanation for his increasing means. >> The film's central plot and themes are centered around the imbalance of Peter Parker's life with Spider-Man's duties, as well as his aversion to making connections with other people. >> You said duties. >> It's impossible to do any of that and have him in the position just described. You can't possibly have a conflict between his personal life and his public life if you give him a personal life. That's impossible. >> I don't know why he responded to that part. It's this is more ironclad than ever. Like you I've said if you would involve Jay Jonah, you can do all of these things like who how do you disagree with that? >> Having significant screen time, being eaten up by Peter in a new working environment, making enough money to take care of himself. >> Oh gee. Yeah. If only there was some stuff we could cut. Hm. How about like the whole [ __ ] movie >> and interacting with a new cast of characters? >> You remember he was the one who was like, "Blah, it's going to be too short of a movie. You're going to make it too short." And now he's like, "Well, this is going to be too long. We can't fit this in." >> Would [laughter] either distract or entirely undermine the central theme of isolations. >> Oh, and I guess Peter didn't do anything about >> Oh, here we go. What's it going to be? I'm ready for this. Let's go. Come on. Wilson Fisk ruining the whole city. Just slept in for those years, I suppose. While I do personally wish the film addressed MCU Kingpin's role directly, the main takeaway would just be at one point during the four-year montage. >> Don't do this. You can do you can do better. You can be better, man. Don't do this. Don't be like, "Yeah, it's a problem." But oh well, [laughter] why do you have to disagree with everything? Just Just concede this one. This was stupid. This was bad. It's bad for the character. It's bad for the world. It's bad. That's all you have to say. was also having to dodge the anti- vigilante task force. This is not currently the case as Wilson Fisk is no longer the mayor of New York City. Peter alone also can >> well well but but he was though for all those years there was no addressing >> any saying this like he's rebutting you >> like the tone indicates that he's like rebutting your point. >> Well, that is the title of it. He's debunking is >> what would that say about his character if in response to the the rise of an actual fascist in government, Peter Parker's response is, "I'm just going to keep my head down for a bit till it all blows over." >> I missed the part [laughter] >> not [clears throat] be expected to defeat every dirty cop in New York City who was willing to work for Fisk or be on that task force. He >> You are You can't You can't help yourself. >> He wanders all the time. Wandering Man >> also cannot be expected to have all the information needed to bring down the criminal conspiracy legitimately as it was only known by Fogep. >> What we're what we're doing we he couldn't have done anything about Kingpin because he didn't have enough legal information [snorts] to take him down in court. >> This of course is particularly funny given he's Peter Palant here. like he [laughter] probably more so than Darevil is actually able to get this information, but instead he'd just let Daredevil kind of take the fall for it and go to go to jail. >> He's in prison right now. >> And he let all of those innocent people, he didn't help them while they were getting their spine snapped by Kingpin or just all of the people that he knew were getting killed. He knows who Kingpin is. He must know who Kingpin is. And he didn't do [ __ ] He didn't help. It's It's a problem. You know, it's a problem. Don't defend it. prior to Matt's investigation further >> on a character, plot, world, and thematical level. This is an infected dumpster fire stuffed to the brim with I love using that visual in the thing. That creature is so [ __ ] disgusting and otherworldly. I love it. It's beautiful. They did such a good job. stapled hollow corpses forced to bounce in the hopes that the audience might think a story is taking place, showing us truly that there are no more stories to be told in the MCU. >> You failed to properly make the case that this film is even thematically similar to another MCU movie, making this entire conclusion hollow and meaningless. >> Making this entire >> hollow meaningless. >> Mhm. >> You sure did it, buddy. You got me. Ultimately, we have abandoned longdeveloped character journeys. A binding thematic underpinning through an agency plotted path in a harsh world with little to spare and the sacrifice made from Peter Parker providing the entire trilogy thorough and united meaning in exchange for a bargain bin wonky rehash No Way Home DLC and wrinkles on the Spidey suit. No, those things are still present in the film. You're just actively ignoring them for the sake of your agenda. >> Just act. >> You're actively agenda. Your anti-mutant agenda. [laughter] >> Anti mutant. Exactly. Yes. >> I I produce I'm Mer and I produce anti-mutant propaganda and they've exposed me. [laughter] I I take money from Striker and Tras. They've got me. >> Hating the MCU [laughter] pays Muller's bills. >> Oh, whatever, bro. Here comes the part where every time hating mall pays this guy's bills. Like why the [ __ ] are we doing this? So stupid. >> It's just easy as hell. It's like it's cuz that matters to you, doesn't it? Money, money, money, money. That matters a lot to you, I assume. [sighs] >> The amount of things we could [laughter] do to make more money that we do not do. I just >> Yeah. Money. Yeah. No, because you know what's a popular opinion uh right now even still is saying that No Way Home Far from [ __ ] hell. Brand new day. [laughter] What is third highest grossing movie of all time? The third highest grossing movie of all time. The really popular take is saying it's bad rather than it's good. >> Well, and sorry this falls apart too because even the sphere I'm in, which you'd have to say is reflective of whatever [ __ ] agenda I'm pulling. I was the one with the unpopular take among many in different shows. So, what am I doing then? Just sabotaging myself. >> I mean I mean we we saw somebody do a positive review of of this film while also talking about the great game Marvel. What was it? Strike Force. The mobile game. >> That's pretty funny with that in mind, you know. >> But I'm sure that that's not Sally behavior. That's not corpo [ __ ] Don't worry about that. >> You know what? It's it's not me who's motivated by buddy. It's you. That's why that's why it's front of mind. It couldn't just be that you're wrong. It has to be money. >> Giving him financial incentive to hate this movie regardless of his true feelings. >> I don't give a [ __ ] I hate and love all kinds of films at the, you know, praise or sugarin of everyone around me. I don't care. I'll say whatever has never been lucrative. Um, I don't know what to tell you, man. Like, what do you what do you think if if you're going to break it down into this sort of paradigm? What do you think is going to be more beneficial in all likelihood? talking about how awesome the movie is that everybody agrees is awesome or saying that it sucks. >> It should also be noted that he churned this review out incredibly quickly in comparison to his typical video. >> What does that mean? >> The [ __ ] mean has he also noticed that it's like a 40-minute video as opposed to a 4hour one? >> Well, we also did this stream breaking it down. I reddrafted like what what are you saying? You know, I I did work hard on that video. I didn't get many hours sleep, but you know what? It's like ah he's just like a opportunist >> which he typically releases a year or more after the film itself. >> Uh that's for those videos. You obviously are not familiar with my game >> because I've done this before reading right here. >> Well, it's the thing that we've done. >> I released the TJ video soon after the film came out. The SN cut was soon after Fallout show. I did pretty quickly. Like the amount of time it takes me depends on who's working with me, how long the video is, and what I want to do. So, um, yeah, I guess whatever [ __ ] narrative you want to string together, use whatever information you can. >> It seems almost as if Brand New Day was so popular. And >> wait a minute. >> I thought it was Wait, if it's really popular, but you're doing it because it's popular to hate it. >> Yeah. Like, I'm going to get paid by by the the hate clicks even though it's super popular. Shouldn't I have done a praise then? Isn't that Wouldn't that be the way? Especially if honesty is irrelevant at this point. He even said like that he almost assumed that you don't think this movie sucks that you actually maybe like it. >> Legitimate positive discussion around the film made him want to sabotage >> the legitimate sabotage. >> Sabotage. Yeah, man. You're giving a lot of credit. >> When [clears throat] did we become uh the this this stupid system where people I I I think it's a bad film, sir. Sir, I think it is a bad film. I believe this. >> Your intention is to sabotage a film that's made two billion dollars at the box office. >> What the [ __ ] am I gonna do? [laughter] >> Yeah. >> You're so powerful. You single-handedly defeated all the mutants out here to single-handedly sabotage Spider-Man. Spider-Man, >> you're going to defeat the IP in the entire IP of Spider-Man. You're going to bankrupt. [laughter] You know, the highlight for this will probably be called like baller sabotages Marvel [laughter] Disney. >> So stupid, man. I guess we got to have an ending to this video somehow. So this is what he's doing. >> Want to sabotage that positive discussion in order to gain more views for himself in the short term while also needing to lie about the film in order to push his MCU is bad agenda. >> That's such a funny agenda. >> MCU is bad agenda. >> Yeah, it is. Oh, but also like >> it's not an agenda. like, [laughter] you know, obviously we're we're laughing a little bit, but it's like you need to chill out, man. >> Well, it's good he doesn't have more like convincing power because it it would suck if you actually convinced people this was true. >> It's but it's just it's just so ready to uh to accept it and to say it >> instead of just maybe like, you know, hey, maybe he just got stuff like maybe Maul is just a [ __ ] idiot or something and he got everything wrong. instead it's like no there's this antiMCU agenda that he's disingenuously pushing against the legitimate conversation in order to make money just so casual saying that >> I don't need to be told about an antiMCU agenda from a guy who cites [ __ ] she-Hulk >> in defense of a writing decision in Spider-Man [laughter] what sort of are you do you have a prom agenda or are you just a [ __ ] nature been especially cruel in giving you the ability to speak and denied you the ability to think is about what's happened cuz it sure [ __ ] sounds like it. >> And listen, I've criticized even the fan favorite MCU movies on this channel. >> Whoa. Oh my. That's bold of you. That's very brave. >> Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. >> No franchise is infallible or perfect. >> Really? >> Especially when it comes again. Brave. Very brave. >> Comes to characters being adapted from other sources. >> What do you mean especially? >> Wouldn't it just be all? Why would it be especially? Anyone else notice that? He said, "Especially characters adapted from other sources is when you should be critical." >> Why would that make it more so when you should be critical rather than when it's original? >> I think you should just be critical with, you know, generally >> it's a story. A story is a story. >> Yeah. >> Incredibly easy to find meaningful or valid criticisms for something that you personally don't like in a film. >> Not from you, but sure. >> However, Mer attempts to lie about the film in order to say that it >> attempts to lie about the film. Oh, >> we can joke all the time about whether or not he's lied, but like I would probably settle honestly gun to my head that he's just an idiot and he's >> Yeah, I think so. I think he's profoundly stupid. >> Yeah. >> Ridiculously honestly one of the dumbest uh videos that we've watched. I know that we keep it's it's unfortunate that this ends up continually said cuz it's almost like oh wow. Yeah. And maybe it is just the recency bias and I'm forgetting some other videos that we've we've looked at, but like this is um this is stunning to me. >> Like not not a single valid point and not for a lack of trying, I suppose, on his part. This is a video. [laughter] >> He did give it his best shot. I guess >> objectively bad because just saying he subjectively didn't like it for specific reasons isn't compelling. You just you just like attaching some baggage here that didn't come up in the video at all, but okay. Yeah. >> Say this film is objectively bad according to me. I have ordained it me >> more sabotur of Spider-Man. >> Yeah, he's he's made this up. That wasn't in the video. >> His audience who want to use him and his podcast EAP to figure out what their opinions on movie should be. >> You need you that you should do that. You need someone to tell you what >> you should do that. [laughter] >> Good. Yeah. you you've given it your best shot and it's uh it's been a feeble attempt. You should just do that. You were making fun of the cattle before. Like you should accept that you should Yeah. Find someone to just tell you what you should think. >> Go back to boot camp. Um learn from a bunch of other sources. See what you got going for you cuz this was a huge miss. Movie dine a hole. >> In conclusion, he said a lot of dumb things about the movie. And the one thing I can't thank him for is for making a video that was under 6 hours. So, it was a lot easier to respond to. >> You didn't respond to most of it, though. >> No, you you omitted a lot of important context. Did you do it deliberately? >> But I wasn't even referring to that, even though that's true. I was talking about the that he'll play a clip and not respond to it if >> you would. But this video is basically him cutting your video apart, playing it in like separation, and also going on like unrelated rambly tangents like that. This is the video. There's no response. Not to a single point that you >> Most of his responses were, "Well, this is what happens in the movie." >> Yeah. >> Anyway, moving on. Well, wait. This is what happens in the movie. >> Like, there was no analysis. He wasn't doing any analysis. He was just regurgitating what happens in the film. He wasn't he wasn't being critical of it. Which, by the way, critical doesn't even mean negative strictly. I mean, you know, positive as well. You could think of it neutally, but that wasn't happening. The response to an analysis of the film was just to restate what happened. Seemingly not realizing that we've moved past the point of what happened in the movie. We're talking about its consequences. We're talking about alternatives. We're talking about it construction. Not like, well, this is the choice they made. So, that's that. >> I thank all of you for watching. And if you guys have anything to say about any of the talking points that he gave or I gave down below, comment them down below. Uh, I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. I do think it's definitely better than all of the other MCU Spider-Man films, which I think are largely inconsistent. >> It's the worst one, but that's that's fine. >> Uh, if you think that this movie character assassinates characters, you would have to look deeper at the other MCU Spider-Man movies, which definitely do it. again not familiar with our game. >> You wouldn't have to partial assassinations or full assassinations in other films that it doesn't change how bad this film is. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Just just because this film like just because other films assassinate characters allegedly doesn't mean characters are not assassinated when this film does it. >> It rudimentary logic. I I don't really understand how he can miss that. Well, no, I do cuz we've spent long enough with him that I understand that he doesn't actually have a brain. But it should be obvious to any rightthinking person that you know it's possible for multiple assassinations to happen across multiple different movies and their presence in other movies does not invalidate the charge against this one. >> Uh almost all of them have to hurt Tony Stark's character or Doctor Strange in order for their central plots to even occur. This film, >> I mean, Doctor Strange, I'll give him, but I don't know the Tony Stark ones. >> Not Tony. Nope. >> However, uses its appearance of MCU characters for the sake of thematic storytelling and relating Peter to these other characters that also have either loose or strong connections with him in the comics, which works better for an MCU crossover thing rather than just throwing >> He's repeating footage. I remember this little thing where you did this. >> Yes. No, he he's been repeating it. I noticed before. >> A bunch of toys in a toy box together like they have been doing for the last few years. >> Anyway, >> how could you possibly say that of those movies and then not apply it to this movie where the toys get thrown in and destroyed as a consequence? They come out broken. Thor's broken. Yolena is broken. Gene is screwed for the future. Punisher is shattered. It's just so funny that this is a criticism that's applied to the other movies when the other movies are kind of the way that you need to do it with the exception of the problems that No Way Home has with Doctor Strange >> and incorporating other characters into it. >> Did you say Thor and you meant Hulk? >> Oh yeah, Hulk. Yeah, for a second there. I was like, wait, did they ruin Thor? What [laughter] the heck? >> They did, but not not in this movie. >> Yeah, sorry. My bad. >> I hope all of you enjoyed this video and I appreciate you so much for watching. Um, leave a comment down below of what you think. Subscribe and share this video with your friends and I will see you. >> Why would I want to keep them? >> Oh, there's [laughter] um I see uh I see I see in the the the video. So, there's a new debunking of Dispar's lanterns episode 2 review. >> He debunks the Disparu. Good luck defending [ __ ] lanterns, my friend. But >> yeah, that would be a particularly awkward one, wouldn't it? I uh I would be fascinated to see what he Oh, and it looks like one of them is about episode three as well. Oh. Oh, is he just he's just doing Yeah, because he's doing all the disperate I got to say, by the way, that there's a certain there's almost a pattern there that I see in terms of the kind of coverage that you're doing that, you know, I don't know. I've seen this before >> of just like constantly responding to select a select handful of figures. I I you know it sucks to come back to this but when you're as popular as people like Drinker there is always going to be an audience in responding to him because he'll they'll always there's just like a standard ratio no matter what you do of people who will learn about you and hate you when you've got enough people who learn about you. That's just natural. And so those people will want to watch videos that like there's people who despise the [ __ ] out of me and us on here. This video would be gold to them and you be like why? You're like, I don't [ __ ] know. [laughter] You know, I enjoyed it. Whatever. [ __ ] you. You were wrong. You're crazy. Because I'm uh I'm cycling through some of the comments of this video. There's there's so many comments about how much joy I do not have. So, swear to God, the way Mhler talks is a black hole of joy. His misery has reached an event horizon. Now, sucks the in the joy of every single person watching his content. You guys are watching a guy who watches my content. >> Yeah. I mean, I'd say in this case that that almost comes across as do you need that to be the case? Do you need to think that like Mhler cries himself to sleep to like feel better? >> Is that what you need? This thought of like he's miserable. >> By Mhler's logic, Vader is irredeemable. Just because uh he killed the Emperor, that doesn't mean he didn't kill multiple children, Jedi, and rebels. Like, yeah. >> Oh, >> I mean, [laughter] why are you saying this? Like, I said something else. What are you talking about? I didn't even reference Vader in the video. >> I You know what? I'll take the brave stance. I think it's bad that Anakin killed children. There, I said it. >> Yeah. >> No, >> I can only sort of >> weird sort of um leap uh in the sense of well, Mhler likes Star Wars. He likes like the OT. Therefore, he must not take issue with any >> Yeah. >> thing in those films. He must think that they're perfect. like in this weird binary of either a movie is like a 10 out of 10 masterpiece, no notes, no flaws, or one out of 10. >> But in that case, it's not even taking issue with something in the film. It's saying if the film was different, you wouldn't have taken issue with that, which is a counterfactual in the first place. In the second place, we've already discussed the fact that actually Vader needed needed to die for the his personal redemption that would not have been afforded him had he lived because there would have to have been justice done. That's [clears throat] but that's not Vader does die. So it's it's not even a they're speculating based on what they believe your logic to be whilst having not a single shred of logic in their own heads to make that work. Just projection. Um, yeah, this coin here says Mo's a real good a real world example of that joke on Arrested Development about how many people will apparently just assume a [ __ ] is intelligent if he has a British accent. Now, that's uh that's kind of funny. I'm not going to deny it, but I would say if you're going to ask me to respond, Mr. American accent man, a lot of people assume because of your American accent that you're a [ __ ] and they would be correct. So, it kind of saves time, I guess, on that front. Um, oh god. Okay. All right. Uh, why don't why don't you read this one out, Fringy? Hang on. I think it'll be funny. >> All right. Okay. Well, do I need to put on a voice? >> No, you can just read it. It's just so good. >> Oh. Oh. Oh my god. Um, they truly sound like they would cower in fear when debating an actual cinnaphile. >> All caps. >> Cow in fear. >> Cower in fear. >> How did the YMS discussion go, by the way? Oh god. >> Tower in fear. >> Oh no. The cinnophiles. Oh no. >> It's not like that's a particularly made fun of group [laughter] of people in the present day. It's not like people find that >> an intellect if you will. >> Yes indeed. But there would be it would be cowering in fear. Trembling. >> Mhler just genuinely has no joy whatsoever. Oh, >> I think they need that to be the case. Yeah, cuz I don't know. I guess that makes them happy to to think that you're miserable, which uh I don't know that is that what Spider-Man I I will say I find a profound irony in that. [laughter] Like just I love Spider-Man and he believes in everybody, but [ __ ] you forever and I hope you cry yourself to sleep. >> Oh man. Well, >> oh my god. How many [laughter] What what what else have you seen there in the in the comments? >> A lot of it will just be like echoing things that he's said that are [ __ ] insane just like in terms of terrible responses. But you know what? They apparently think it's good enough. So um enjoy Brand New Day. >> I mean like I said that is um that was horrendous shocking >> shocking honestly. So, uh, I'll be honest. My perspective on Brand New Day has not gone up. Like my my assess I was >> But I mean, but what even is your perspective? Cuz you're [clears throat] a lying snake. >> I guess I'm going to continue to lie and snake my way through the discussions on brand new day. >> Well, you should permanently be hooked up to the lie detector machine at all times. >> That's a requirement to debunk the debunkers. What if I'm claim that I'm doing it and I'm actually lying? That would be in character. >> Well, yeah. I mean, >> how could we believe anything that you say at this point? >> True. >> Mhm. Didn't think about >> so willing to lie to pursue your anti-MCU agenda and slander Spider-Man. >> It's still worth slandering. [laughter] It's I want to be Joder. Okay. >> By the way, like I know we've already talked about it a bunch, but maybe that's a thing that's worth uh recapping. It's It's way better to just assume that someone's stupid than dishonest. It's way Case in point, I think this guy's just very silly. I think [laughter] he's but not but not funny. Um he's just he's just very silly and it's better to assume that than to be like, "Oh well, yeah, you're a dishonest lying and you're doing it for money." >> Like why do you have to assume like the worst when it's just talking about [ __ ] movies? >> I don't know. There's certain purity that comes with stupidity. Whereas, you know, if he does this intentionally, then that's malicious and that's you're just an [ __ ] Then >> it it's just people can get stuff wrong. Why have we like failed to consider that possibility? Of course, in this case, there's a conversation to be had about the accuracy of the claims and and here I don't think he's done a particularly good job. Again, I'm still >> Why not just go to the assumption that you got things wrong? >> It's got to be more interesting than that. It can't be that boring. >> I don't know, man. I feel like everybody needs to get a little bit like the world's plenty interesting. Like, you don't need to create these phantoms in your head to make the world a more interesting place. >> Well, we would throw the wizard at him. I think if if we ever talked to him, it would be like, "What if the wizard tell I don't know if what do you think he could do the breakfast question? I'm starting to get worried actually. >> I don't think so. No, I don't think so. I think that might, you know, yeah, I think there's a difference between >> you can tell when someone understands a hypothetical but wants to avoid it because they know that it leads to a place they don't like compared to somebody who just doesn't understand hypotheticals. >> Notable difference. What what would you say for if you or him believed all this stuff, but you do engage in good faith in hypotheticals and you were asked about that you know about the wizard, you know what he does and the wizard tells you Mhler does believe this truly and he has no agenda. This is this is actually what he believes 100%. >> Um what what are you asking me exactly like to try and do? >> Well, what does he say if he has to address that? What does the argument become? Um is does the argument become no that is the case but he doesn't know it it's like subconscious it's a subconscious bias >> that or that the wizard is lying as Chad put up the wizard >> well I mean yeah but I mean obviously I guess that's the problem is I know that the wizard always tells the truth >> um whether or not he would be willing to accept that is I guess a different thing >> um because the thing is is that the wizard can display the wizard is very powerful he can display his uh the fact that he always tells the truth and I think I think that it would still people would still say that he's a he's a liar, but um but we would never do that because the wizard is our is our friend. >> We we're biased toward the wizard. No, don't tell people. The wizard sponsors this podcast. >> I I don't think he would even like follow with the logic. He would just find >> he would just find like a random topic to divert the attention to and would not answer anything. >> Yeah. I mean, >> yeah. I I don't know. Um the it's uh I I'm just fighting it funny. I'm of like responding to every single what? Every single episode that this brewer is going to be covering for [laughter] Lantern. Is that what he's going to do? >> Apparently >> cover every single one. How? Oh man. I I can't bear to imagine how he would handle episode three cuz I get the impression that he's very um um aloof when it comes to essentially dealing with uh >> Yeah. dealing with um socopolitical stuff. >> It's one thing to deal with like does this make sense? Does this not make sense? But it's quite another to get into actual politics, >> you know, if you want to talk about episode 3, you need to make judgments about uh John Stewart's parents. >> Yeah. >> And that conversation is uh really is is real tough if you're trying to uh go to bat for that episode. Um, not that we're we we don't need to get into that though because that'll we we'll come to it eventually. Um, that show I by the way that is Hey, look. All right. Lanc it it is like horrendous by the way like Lanterns as a TV show. Um, I didn't think that I would hate it as much as I do. >> Yeah. Um, I think it was as a surprise somewhat to you, right, Platoon? and uh the passion for an aggression for hatred for this show is a bit higher on our end than yours I think is what I was >> Yeah though I haven't I mean it's just the way things have panned out is that I have not really had time to sit down and actually watch it properly I suppose I would say so I'm I mean I know episode 3 if I watch it while awake will probably piss me off a lot because there's not very often I get 15 minutes in and say nah I'm just going to I'm going to deal with that tomorrow and then go tomorrow and say I think I'll finish that one another day. So, I'm expecting the uh the dislike to increase a little bit um before the end. >> Well, even with episode one, it was, you know, even before episode three, but I mean, it is a noteworthy one, but yeah. Anyway, >> um it's where Well, uh yeah, I guess we'll do we could do announcements later. So, uh I nuts. So, what are you up to? Where can people find you? What are you doing? >> Uh on YouTube. I know. Shocking. >> Whoa. >> Uh yeah. Uh what I'm up to. I'm actively working on a new video. Uh hopefully we'll get it out soonish maybe. And um I have uh I this is it's too late for this [ __ ] Um, so I I I don't know how much of this chat is aware of, but I made a community post about, you know, I want to, you know, stream something for the first time ever, and my very beautiful, wonderful audience is pressuring me into something abysmal, [laughter] >> unthinkable, and It should it should frankly be illegal, but I I mean, who am I to I I don't think I can say no to that. So, probably that's going to happen at some point. Yeah, it's Gollum. [laughter] You You guys can calm down. It's Gollum. Yeah, but um yeah, may I I might potentially play it soonish. Yeah. So that's I hate life. >> The Lord of the Ring itself. >> Do you hate breathing? Do you hate being alive? Are you in tremendous pain? You in tremendous pain. >> Help. Help. [clears throat] >> Help. Jean Gray. Help. Goodness. She can take over for that. She's She can feel free. >> Yeah. But yeah, that's about it. So look forward to that. I'm going to make announcement at some point. I don't know where when I'm going to psychologically sort of prepare myself for that cuz it's going to be my first stream ever and it's that's that's um that's a lot. So yeah, >> it's going to be exciting. >> Okay, that's about it. >> Well, alternatively, if you want to check out a video about how the Duffers are so much worse than you think, Nuts has a video about that going over a bunch of stuff you probably did not know about how awful they are. >> It's strange. I know. I know. I know. You're probably listening like, "What do you mean?" You're like, "No, I know. I know. >> We'll find out." >> Also, you have a video about how you hate women. >> Oh, yes. >> Taste. [laughter] Give that a little water. >> Uh, yeah. >> Well, yeah. And obviously, thanks for joining us. I like torturing you with Spider-Man. >> Yeah. Thank you for torturing me. It was being tortured. Uh, >> Frankie Platoon, how about you fellas? I have a video out on a a littleknown movie that's not had a huge amount of discussion, but I must push the anti-mutant agenda even further. So, there is a Spider-Man video out on the main channel um already and then uh next I I don't know what will be next. Probably the last Odyssey thing probably, I don't know, at some point hopefully this week. And then more and more and more and more and more cuz it never [ __ ] stops. Uh, I'm just working >> working working all day long day. It's probably a song for that some way. That would be pretty appropriate. Maybe someday just to shake it up a bit, you know. Or not. Fine. [laughter] >> Keep singing or something. >> You if you want next time maybe. I don't know. I I wouldn't want to force anything, you know. I have a sing song agenda. Um, everything's an agenda now. >> So, um, what am I what am I doing? What's happening here? So, you guys got It feels weird, honestly, and it's just because of, you know, it's like a 5h hour quick EFA, huh? It's like, no, we we made the precedent long ago that this was normal. The 24 hours was the craziness. Okay. Um, but you've also got, as has been mentioned on that EAB, you've got and and there's a there's a trailer out for it, a teaser, EAB movies 100 is on the way. expect within one month. I can't be more specific than that really right now. Um, if you don't know what it is, go check out the video on Moola. You can go find out. Um, other than that, we've got a crazy time coming in the next 3 months to the point where, as we were kind of alluding to in the opening, there's some double booking that's happened. As in, we're having some Wednesday EAPs coming up. There's like three or four of them or some [ __ ] is crazy depending on how things are going to go because of how many releases are coming out which means we're going to be well over our count and uh we've got an upcoming Saturday that we kind of require because uh you know different scheduling things means that uh we could actually it makes sense to take it off and that one is next week's so I I hesitate to say I am so sorry but there's no EA have next week okay but you can consider that the calm before the storm all right everything will get crazy kicking off >> finding a way to squeeze everything in. There's a lot. There's a lot. And when [laughter] you realize that, it's getting a bit crazy. >> We do indeed plan to release what will probably be a 24 to 25ish, if not more hour-long single video that is EAB Movies Bonanza. And then the there's going to be a Halloween arc, too. And of course, we're trying to get make sure everything is launching for the new plushy set that there's a teaser for as well. Um, the Boogie episode. Some people have been asking about that. That's going to be in October. Um, I think we're planning an an obsession episode which will be uh in October. Seems more appropriate. And of course, unfortunately, Lanterns is coming. There's a there's all kinds of wackiness, you know. Um, also, you know, usual like Open Bar and uh, Real BBC, though. I think Open Bar's off this week, though. I keep saying though, though. Uh October, sorry, September 17th, that open bar is our 200th special. Um I'm not even 100% sure what we're doing for that yet. Drinker and I plan things beautifully. Uh but it's going to I'm sure it's going to be a big old special crazy fun time. You might even see some fun guests. Uh the other thing worth mentioning, of course, I'm still trying to make sure I stream on Mondays, but I don't even know what I want what game I want to do because Wolverine's and I when when's Wolverine out? >> Wolverine is next week. So, like I I want to finish Halo 2 this week and then uh and then and then Wolverine will be be next up for me. >> Do you know what day? >> I believe it's the 15th. So, next Tuesday. >> Oh, so I've got to do Oh, maybe I'll move my Monday stream then cuz you know I got to figure out I'm going to stream something random probably next the upcoming Monday. Okay, people. But then we'll go into Wolverine. >> Um I can't start Resident Evil 3. I've got no time now. We got to do the Wolverman. There's been lots of things that have come out that are Oh, just so exciting. The other thing to mention though, >> exciting game >> after my stream on Monday, I'm pretty sure I'm going into I I've I've been invited I assume this I don't think he keeps these things secret. Um but I'm going to be joining Ryan on his stream. Uh [ __ ] my life, I believe. >> Someone in chat said it already, so I think it's known. I can't remember anymore. There's too much things to keep track of, but I I'll be there, too. I don't know. I don't even know what we're talking about. possibly Thor Ragnarok was mentioned while I was in his chat as to whether or not it's a horrible horrible movie. You know, plenty of We're probably going to talk about Star Wars as well. Maybe some Harry Potter. I don't know. Um but I think that's about everything, right guys? I nailed it. >> Think so. >> Yeah. Beautiful. >> I think so. Yeah. >> Any more Buffy with Gary? The plan is every other Wednesday with exceptions like our recent 3-month hiatus, if not possibly more. So, [laughter] you know, we uh we do what we can. We do our best. It'll be back. But um yeah, with that, I think we're all good to go. So, anything else you guys want to mention before we head out? >> No. >> Nope. >> That'll be it. I'm really excited for Wolverine, you know. I'm so excited for it. It's looking great. Oh yeah, >> I'm really I'm thrilled with everything that's been presented. The game >> I might even film it. The immense puff of dust when I turn my PS5 on for the first time. [laughter] >> Yeah. Well, you know, it's uh it's been it's been a pretty generation, hasn't it? >> I hope it makes like a goggly sound and asks you to kill it. [laughter] They got whips out a cigarette. [laughter] All right. Um, yeah. Well, all right then. Plenty of things on the way. Plenty of fun to be had. You guys take care to pip. I'm going to send you over to Mr. Nicholas Dioro who's likely watching some funny thing flim flam right now. Who knows? Other than that, have yourselves a good night. Tulip. Cheerio. Byebye. See you later. Byebye. Bye. >> [laughter]