EA Just Sold For $55B?! Here’s The Truth About How This Deal Affects YOU
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The podcast opens with a discussion surrounding Electronic Arts' (EA) acquisition for $55 billion, an event that has sparked intense reaction within the gaming community. While some observers view this sale to a consortium of Middle Eastern investment houses as a victory against "woke" culture and corporate overreach, others worry about potential cultural shifts in game content, such as villains no longer being depicted with negative stereotypes regarding specific regions. The speaker notes that these concerns are largely driven by millennial gamers who often conflate the values of investors with those of the developers themselves. However, from a business perspective, the primary focus for EA will likely be on monetization strategies and adapting to mobile gaming trends rather than ideological purity. The analysis suggests that as PC gamer revenue potentially declines while mobile usage surges, major publishers like EA are expected to migrate their famous properties into mobile-first platforms over the next decade. This shift involves simplifying mechanics or adopting loot-driven and pay-to-win models typical of free-to-play ecosystems. The speaker emphasizes that these acquisitions are fundamentally mercenary decisions based on spreadsheets rather than a passion for gaming; investors seek undervalued assets with high future growth potential, much like Warren Buffett's investment philosophy. Consequently, while the corporate leadership may not play games themselves, they will aggressively pursue profit maximization through mobile expansion and microtransactions to service their massive debt load. A significant portion of the conversation addresses the complex relationship between Western creators and Middle Eastern regimes, specifically regarding Saudi Arabia's recent initiatives like a comedy festival despite its history with press freedom. The speaker argues against isolating nations based on past atrocities or authoritarian governance, advocating instead for engagement as part of modernizing global economic hubs. He shares his personal experience attending an event in Saudi Arabia to interview health expo attendees, noting that he did not feel compelled to self-censor because the organizers were distinct from the government officials responsible for human rights abuses. The speaker posits that leaders like Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) are attempting to transition their economies away from oil into technology and entertainment sectors, making cooperation essential rather than antagonistic. The dialogue extends this pragmatic worldview to American history and international relations, challenging listeners not to throw out entire nations or historical figures with the "bathwater" due to past evils like slavery under George Washington or drone strikes during Barack Obama's presidency. The speaker contends that while leaders may commit horrific acts—whether through war crimes in Ukraine by Vladimir Putin or political violence elsewhere—they must still be treated as human beings and engaged diplomatically if they hold positions of power. He illustrates this with the example of a UN official holding severed heads yet remaining in leadership, suggesting that effective global strategy requires finding an "off-ramp" to work with difficult figures rather than issuing blanket condemnations that prevent future cooperation. Ultimately, the speaker urges gamers and consumers to look beyond nostalgia-baited lamentations about industry changes and instead seek out joy and innovation within niche markets or new platforms like his own project, Project Kaizen. He distinguishes between "leading from behind," where corporations follow spreadsheet logic for profit, and "leading from the front," which involves taking risks on personal visions that might fail but drive genuine creativity. The conclusion is a call to balance moral outrage with practical engagement: one can maintain principled stands against specific actions while still recognizing the strategic importance of partnering with emerging markets in the Middle East as they pivot toward 21st-century industries like biotech and tech investments.
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Let's start with the Electronic Arts
acquisition. This one blew my mind. 55
billion for a game development company.
How dare you insinuate it should be
less? No, I'm just I love you, Tom. I
love Kaizen. I was like, 55 billion in
2025? EA? The Sims? Is that worth 55 b-
Like, it was just
>> It's sports franchise.
>> It was surprising. This is good because
any deal in a space means that activity
is rolling. Other people are looking for
it. So, I I know why gaming would like
it.
>> really care about it from that
perspective.
>> Got it. I expect players to care about
this very deeply. Now, the player
community is like sort of in a weird
state. One of the things that they're
saying is, "Oh my god, yes. They've been
bought by a company uh
a consortium of investment houses that
are in Middle Eastern. This is going to
be great. No more woke garbage, right?"
There's a huge contingency of millennial
gamers. The more time I spend watching
gaming content, the more I realize how
much this is a millennial reaction.
Utterly fascinating. Uh but millennial
gamers are up in arms about anything
that has to do with woke this, that, or
the other.
>> But then people are like, "Well, hold on
a second. Didn't Saudi Arabia like uh
bone saw cat to pieces like You're
kidding me.
distant past? Is that Like, aren't they
going to inject their own values into
the games? It'll be interesting to see
how this plays out." So, for sure,
they're going to now inject their values
or have bumpers in the alley of like,
"Well, don't say things bad about us or
whatever." You will for sure see that
the bad guys in an EA game aren't going
to be Middle Eastern. Let's just say
that. Uh so, they're going to point you
in some other direction. Certainly,
brace yourselves for that, but um
ultimately, businesses like this,
especially when you're doing it on debt,
they need to make money. And so, the
things that I would expect gamers to
really be focusing on is what are they
going to do to the monetization here.
Now, the reality is as a game developer,
I'm paying a lot of attention to where
games are going in the future, and games
are going mobile. Mobile gamers don't
have all the beef with the
microtransactions. So, you can expect
that they're hyper aware of that, that
they're going to be looking for ways to
incorporate microtransactions into what
they view as the future. And so, if I
were them, I would be looking at this
going, "Uh okay. How much of our revenue
do we generate off PC gamers? Do we
think that's uh increasing or
decreasing?" I would say it's
decreasing. How much are we making off
mobile? Do we think that's going to
increase or decrease? I think they're
all going to look at that and go,
"That's increasing." So, I would expect
over the next 10 years for them to begin
putting more and more of their time and
attention into mobile first things,
migrating their famous properties into
mobile playable games, either
simplifying the mechanics or just using
more of the loot-driven mechanics, um
pay-to-win mechanics, things like that.
And so, millennial gamers, traditional
gamers, however you want to think about
it, which by the way, I'm one of, not
millennial, but traditional. So, I play
on PC and console, but I think you're
going to see a move like that. So, if
gamers are going to either be excited or
be traumatized, I would look at it from
that perspective because these guys,
like when they do acquisitions like
this, they're not like, "I like games."
They're going into this, and they're
going, "Oh, I understand this at the
level of a spreadsheet." majority of the
people involved in these acquisitions
don't play games, have never played
games, literally don't care. They're
like Warren Buffett. They are sitting
looking at a bunch of spreadsheets and
going, "Where is something undervalued?
Where do we think we understand the
future better than somebody else? Where
is there a discrepancy between the price
that the shares are trading at versus
where we think they'll trade out in 3 or
5 years?" That's it, man. That is how
they process through this stuff. It is
totally mercenary. Now, you don't need
to be traumatized by that because one of
the most mercenary things that a company
can do is go find the young, hungry
talent that really want to make
something awesome. This is what always
makes me laugh is that remember,
companies are leading from the back.
You'll get like Quest ended up
succeeding the way that it did because
we led from the front. We were for our
own reasons hell-bent to build that
company, and we didn't know if it would
work. That was us going, "Eh, this might
be a suicide run, but I really want to
do this for my own reasons," and it
worked. Once it works, everybody else
just floods in at the spreadsheet level.
Everybody's looking for that, right? So,
the game I'm building, Project Kaizen,
I'm not building chasing a spreadsheet.
I'm building the game I want to play.
I've got a whole thesis about what I
think is going to happen to the world. I
think AI is going to make the world so
easy that people are going to be forced
to find hard mode, and they're going to
find it in simulated worlds. That isn't
what I'm building today. I'm laying the
foundation, trying to figure out the
game mechanics. That's 5-10 years away.
I'm leading from the front. Maybe it'll
fail catastrophically. When you lead
from the front, you run that risk. But
this acquisition is about leading from
behind. So, gamers have proven we want a
mobile game. I'm just growing up with a
mobile device, always in my hand, always
easy. I'm not growing up in the PC era
where it's like all my friends get
together. It's not how they play games
now. If you want to understand where
this acquisition goes, look at it
through the lens of assets, investments,
entrepreneurship, and it's going to get
a lot clearer. They're going to try to
maximize the profits of all of those
games, and they will do it through the
ways that I just talked about. Now, I
get why like it was sad for me to watch
what happened to Star Wars, but there's
always going to be cool new [ __ ] So,
like, look, I get it, nostalgia, all
that. Nobody's more like
nostalgia-baited than me, but at the
same time, good games will continue to
get made in the way that you like good
games. They just might be super niche. I
will do a PSA to all of my millennial
gamers out there. I've watched so much
of your content. Literally, at this
point, I've seen well north of a hundred
videos about the state of the gaming
industry, specifically from They don't
call themselves millennials, but you can
tell that they're millennials.
Uh from their perspective, and it's just
all lamentations. You are making these
less fun for yourself. And I would just
say, find a path to like, where is the
joy? Where is people doing cool stuff so
you can fall in love again? I want that
for you. Uh so, we'll see. Anyway, All
right. So, we have that on one side of
the coin. And honestly, the gaming
community seems to be aligned with it.
Hey, it's not private no more. Hey, I
see this is going to open up more
investment. It hasn't been what we've
seen on the other side where the Riyadh
uh comedy festival was announced, and
all these comedians were announced to be
a part of it, and immediately everybody
was mad. Like, how can they speak to
this? This is the same country that
killed the journalism. This is going
crazy. People have memes cuz Pete
Davidson lost his dad in 9/11. So,
people have memes of his dad licking in
heaven. Like, how dare you to go to the
country that was So, there's a It's kind
of like on one side of this, people are
like, "Okay. Future gaming, we finally
got the investment back. They're leading
from behind. We're good." But then on
this side, it's like, "Comedy? How dare
you do comedy in it authoritarian
regime? How dare you uh open up those
relations? Are these on the same thing
like Does this Everybody's going to have
to decide, how do you treat somebody
that has different values than you? Do
you try to alienate them, isolate them,
and say, "Until you think like I think,
[ __ ] you"? Or do you go, "All right,
listen. I don't like a lot of the things
that they stand for. I see what they're
trying to do. They're trying to
modernize. I'm going to look at the
restrictions that they're putting me
under, and I'm either okay with the
restrictions or I'm not. They can't make
me say something I don't believe, and I
won't say something I don't believe, but
I don't need to go over there to be
antagonistic. I am running a business.
This is very good for my business. I'm
going to go or not. I believe it's Shane
Gillis that decided he wanted to take a
principled stand. Totally get that. Full
disclosure, I went to Saudi Arabia to do
uh three live interviews there. They
were doing a health expo, and they
wanted to bring me in to film live from
the health expo, and I went and did it.
I had no beef with it whatsoever, fully
aware that Saudi Arabia itself had a
journalist killed, but I'm like, "It
wasn't like the guy running this event
is over there like wiping the blood off
the bone saw." Come on, dude. I'm good.
Just as I would not want to be judged
for everything that America did, nor
would I uh say that anybody coming to
America is signing off on everything
that America did. Oh, and by the way, I
want people to cooperate with us. I
think that Saudi Arabia is finally
trying to step into the 21st century.
Behind the scenes, I think that they are
using violence to corral like the royal
family, to get everybody pointed in the
right direction, to understand that
we're going to have to move away from
oil, all that. I see humans as
incredibly complicated figures. You were
not going to look at any government, any
point in history, and be like, "Oh my
god, they just did everything right."
>> Yeah. I was just praising the founding
fathers, who by the way, had slaves.
You're just never going to find it. So,
I don't know what universe people live
in. I don't have a beef with anybody
that's like, "You know what? I want to
take a principled stand. That means more
to me." Yeah, go do your thing. That's
going to allow you to say things and be
taken as credible later that other
people won't be able to say. And for
people that are like, "Yeah, man,
listen. I'm not signing off on the
government, but I've never made this
much money for this before. Oh, and by
the way, I want to go see it." Yeah,
totally. That was exactly what I did.
And I was like, my answer when asked
was, uh they cannot get me to say
something I don't believe. Given that,
I've got no problem. And so, I went and
did the interviews I wanted to do, uh
said the things I wanted to say, and
literally didn't have to corral myself.
We were talking about health, so it's
not like Saudi Arabia was going to come
up. No beef with this whatsoever. These
guys are running a business. They are
entertainers. But when, let's say your
normal fee is 25,000 for a gig, and
they're going to pay you 250,000,
it's like
even as like a life story, it's just
interesting. Again, they're not being
invited by the guy wiping blood off the
bone saw. And just keep in mind, how
many people have American governments
killed? Like this week, instead of
trying to build bridges, people are
trying to find reasons to be holier than
thou. Doesn't resonate with my belief
system, but people should do what they
think is right.
>> But I just love how you said it. We
shouldn't hold the organizers of the
festival beholding to the actions of the
government, assuming those aren't the
same people. Now, if you do find out,
hypothetically speaking, that the the
prince that was responsible for getting
the journalist killed is the person that
decided to throw the comedy festival.
>> the crazy thing. If you said, "Listen,
MBS wants to meet with you," I would do
it a thousand percent. Mhm. A thousand
percent. And we can just assume he is
the guy wiping the blood off of his bone
saw. But when I think about how
important the Middle East is going to be
moving forward. They're going to be the
hub of investment dollars. I think it's
something like seven of the biggest
investment houses are in
the Middle East. Man, we should be
looking for ways to partner,
join each other in the 21st century to
put that kind of stuff behind us. So,
MBS strikes me as a very important
figure. And again, I think that when you
hear Dave Smith talk about Barack Obama,
he's not wrong. And he's like, Barack
Obama is a murderer. He killed all these
people with drone strikes and all that.
And I'm like, yeah. But if Barack was
like, Tom, I really want to talk with
you about the future of America, would
you do it? Yes. Yes, I would, very much.
It is a region of my brain where I'm
like, this is how the world works.
Leaders may not kill with their bare
hands, but they kill a lot of people.
If we don't understand that this is how
the world works and that you both want
to call out when it's like, hey,
we don't want to do that. At the same
time that you don't go like Momdami is
saying, I'm going to arrest Netanyahu if
he comes to New York. It's like,
that that's stupid. So, you want to find
ways to invite these countries into the
21st century. You want to find a way to
bring them closer to your values and not
isolate them. That would be my take.
Where is that balance between this could
be a bridge for the future versus this
is evil?
>> I'm going to keep killing your
journalist, but I would like to invite a
bunch of journalists over. Then I'm
like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa. I wouldn't expect anybody to go.
That would be wild. But he's not. And
obviously, there's like evidence and all
that that he was involved and blah,
blah, blah. What's going to be the thing
that you draw the line on? Is it that
they did a thing ever that we think is
morally um repugnant? In which case,
Trump's got to go.
Uh Biden's got to go. Obama's got to go.
Clinton's got to go. Like, you literally
just run down the list of American
leaders all the way to back to
Washington's got to go. Like, as far as
I understand, Washington had slave teeth
in his own mouth.
Okay? He pulled the teeth.
Somebody fact-check me if I'm wrong. But
he had dentures that were made from
like, I think some horses' teeth, uh
some wood if I remember right, and then
some slave teeth. That's horrific. So,
but at the same time, when he had the
opportunity to become dictator for life
of America, he didn't do it. Yeah, I'm
not going to throw him out with the
bathwater. I'm not going to say his face
needs to be taken off Mount Rushmore.
When I teach that in schools, I'm going
to say, listen, despicable things were
done, but we are not going to focus on
that. What we need to focus on is what
makes this country great. What are the
values that we want to embrace? And it
is absolutely antithetical to moving
forward well to say that we're evil or
the product of evil or it it doesn't
even matter if it's factual. It just
matters that it's not useful moving
forward. Same thing. If
the Middle East is going to transition
off of oil and get into tech, get into
biotech investments, get into
entertainment, whatever, and they're
going to be a driving force there, we
want to have good relationships with
them. Yes, there needs to be pressure.
You can't like, if they killed the
journalist now and we're like, okay, we
just did that thing and now we're
inviting everybody over, I'd be like,
yo, this is way freakish. Just to like
make sure they understand, I think that
that's a non-starter. I'm not going. Cuz
if they did some atrocity right now, I'd
be like, no [ __ ] way. All of that
factors into as people build their
belief system about how do we approach
the world? For instance, should we have
invited Putin into a negotiation?
Obviously.
But he's killing Ukrainians. Yes. You
you have to find an off-ramp. You've got
to treat this guy like a human, even
though you think he may be committing
war crimes. Same with Bibi Netanyahu.
Same with Hamas. Same with Palestine.
It's like, you've got to find a way to
work with these people. In fact, there's
an image of a guy that's in the Is he in
the UN? He's in the UN or something like
that where there's footage of him
holding two capitated heads.
And he's now
in
a leadership position in the world. I
saw Somebody's going to know. Chat,
please rescue me here.
What do you do with that?
Well, if he's in a position of
leadership, you got to deal with him.
This is one of those where, yes,
like when Trump brought the South
African leader into the White House, you
say, bro, you've got farmers being
killed. You guys are moving in the wrong
direction. We've got to address it. But
you don't go, they're despicable. We'll
never speak to them.