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The podcast segment opens with a deep dive into relationship dynamics, where hosts debate whether modern women should seek partners who are already established and mentally healthy or remain in casual "career boyfriend" arrangements without clear intent for marriage. This discussion contrasts contemporary expectations of financial independence against historical precedents where couples built stability from scratch, while also addressing the public perception of high-profile figures like Drake. In his recent birthday stream event involving significant giveaways, Drake faced backlash that some interpreted as genuine trickery; however, hosts argue these actions reflect a pop-star persona and character rather than transactional motives. The conversation further touches on industry dating patterns, noting how women who date multiple powerful men are often judged negatively unless they possess equal wealth themselves, alongside defenses of artists like Usher Raymond IV whose stage presence is mistaken for arrogance. Shifting focus to business infrastructure, the hosts analyze the absence of Black women from Forbes' top podcast earners list, attributing it not to race but to a lack of diversified revenue streams and massive audience numbers compared to peers. They highlight that true monetization requires owning intellectual property, securing licensing deals like those for *The Breakfast Club*, selling merchandise, and hosting live events rather than relying solely on ad reads or platform cuts. Candace Owens is cited as an example of high download metrics being excluded due to advertiser hesitancy regarding her controversial persona, underscoring the challenges in building sustainable business models beyond viral fame. This section also covers personal pivots, such as Taylor's move from shock jockery to substantive content after hitting a professional glass ceiling, and promotes upcoming events including mental health expos and new book releases from Black Privilege Publishing. The dialogue then transitions into broader themes of integrity versus chasing clout, with hosts emphasizing that a valuable voice stems from admitting mistakes and maintaining authenticity rather than seeking constant validation. This leads to contentious debates on gender identity in sports, where both agree biological men should not play women's leagues but clash over transgender inclusion based on self-identification versus athletic fairness. The group also critiques racial stereotypes within social media culture, contrasting Jewish communal cooperation with internal conflicts often monetized by algorithms under the framework of technofudalism. Personal anecdotes regarding infidelity reveal differing perspectives on loyalty and forgiveness, while reflections on past TV dominance serve as a reminder that true legacy comes from building empires rather than fleeting viral moments. The episode concludes with lessons in metacognition to prevent acting on fleeting emotions before signing off as "Brilliant Idiots," wrapping up a conversation that balances personal growth with the harsh realities of modern fame and business ownership.
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Charlemagne the God. Uh, we are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. My guy Andrew Schoz is not here. Hezekiah Walker is not here. He's filming a movie. Uh, Alex is here. U Chris isn't here either. Chris is um >> Fire Island somewhere. I don't know. >> Fire Island. >> I saw Chris outside. >> No, you didn't. >> I swear to God, not outside of here, but like outside in the Taylor Gang is here. Uh, this woman who can't wait till she gets introduced. Lauren [ __ ] Larosa. LL K is here. They both trying to jump me cuz I'm trying to tell them that they >> No, because you wrong. >> He's a grown You were a grown boyfriend. You were the career boyfriend and messing up at that. >> Here's the difference. >> Give us some context. >> Me. Yes. We were talking about uh when when a person should get engaged, when they should get married, how soon after they start dating. Me and my wife don't count cuz me and my wife been together since we was kids. >> That doesn't especially you from the south. In the south they be married at like 19. >> No, that was in the [ __ ] 70s. This is the [ __ ] 2000s. Like, we had lives to live. She went off to college. I went off to do radio. >> Why do you not think that there's lives to live still? >> Cuz y'all are almost 40. Y'all know y'all premenopausal like a [ __ ] Okay, now you don't count Taylor. And Taylor, I don't even know why you jumping in this conversation cuz you got your fiance. You got your fiance, you got your fiance, you got your baby, y'all got a wedding date set. I ain't got no problems with Capital P. Shout out to Capital P. But all the other boyfriends that's just boyfriends, I'm like this. >> But you know what? >> I'm like THIS. AND I PUT PRESSURE ON ALL OF THEM. And there's the difference. I can tell when guys are really serious. >> How can you tell when you've never even had a real conversation with them? >> I can just tell >> cuz I wouldn't mind the pressure if you like knew him. There was a relationship. It's like you don't know nothing at all. >> Probably cuz you still move single. >> DO I DO I MEAN, I didn't want to say it, BUT SINCE SHE PRESSURING ME, CUZ I don't She's right. I don't want to put it all on, homie. You know what I mean? That's what it is. >> You know damn well that's a lie. The way I talk, everything about me is so different than when you met me. You didn't really know. You didn't know me when I was single. >> Yeah, but I mean, the way you move online, it don't look like you have a boyfriend. That's what I'm saying. >> Don't look like you have a boyfriend the way you move online. >> Why? Why? Because I don't post him. >> You don't even do the soft launch [ __ ] where you show the hand or none of THAT [ __ ] >> THAT'S WHY I KNOW YOU DON'T FOLLOW his [ __ ] I DIDN'T SEE THAT. THE HAND WITH THE WATCHES AND ALL THAT have been happening for about a year now. I actually just I actually just like lowkey posted them because he just opened up his lounge in Dumbo. That's where I saw Chris at. I was he was at the lounge. I low key just kind of posted. >> What I saw was a I saw the balloons that said uh do we go together or some [ __ ] like that which was so crazy. Flew her all the way out the country went out of the country to go [ __ ] ask to go together. So they go together. >> I ain't seen no hand. >> It was a relationship proposal. >> Yes. He couldn't propose with the ring. See what I'm saying? >> What? >> That's crazy. >> Step back. How long were you a boyfriend? >> Uh, a year. >> We right on track. WE'RE NOT JOKING. >> WE'RE RIGHT ON TRACK. ONLY >> we were engaged after a year. >> You don't have either because her She's not black. >> Okay. Yeah, cuz then cuz then there's that. >> Why we going to do that? Because No, that's true. >> She's Spanish. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, you don't want >> I'm half Puerto Rican. >> Exactly. He's not Spanish. I was going to say you don't want to get cut, but you know. not Puerto Rican. >> But I'm saying that you know you're right, Lauren. I don't want to put it on, homie, cuz it's really you. Like you you don't like y'all not like a y'all not like sneakers. You're not like this is a pair of sneakers. Alex got on a pair of sneakers. Taylor got on a pair of sandals. >> See one sneaker, but it's not that. See, like you don't even have it down. Even though you're wearing a pair, you don't have it down. Shut up. >> You move like 10 toes down. She only five toes down. So that's >> you can't even like it's not even in your demeanor. You move like a >> you like a Lucy. >> You know what I'm saying? >> Like a like a Lucy FROM A PACK OF THAT'S TYPE OF PACKAGE. DON'T DO THAT. >> NOW YOU MOVE LIKE A LUCY. >> NO. NO, I don't. >> You don't think she Lucy energy? >> I play that song though. >> What's the name of it? >> There's a song called Lucy. >> I never heard of it. >> Taylor Lucy energy. >> Taylor, you were there in my single time when I first got here to New York. >> Night and day. >> No, it's not. >> I was there, too. Ain't [ __ ] changed. >> No. >> Even the way I speak today. You asked me something about uh men or somebody asked us something on on the show about what have men brought me in our like early stages of I didn't even want to comment on that. The old me we would have stories for days like we be up there kik. >> Well no you don't like you you are I call you I call you lying Lar Roa cuz you have lying tendencies but you know when not to lie. You didn't want to lie. You know ain't nobody ever bought you [ __ ] >> That's just the reality of the situation. >> That's just the reality of the situation. >> I can't talk about [ __ ] from the past. That's nothing wrong with that. can, but I just feel like certain times it's just like I mean like it's just why like it's just not needed. It didn't take me talking about somebody something that I've got in the past for the conversation to go on. Didn't have to before. >> Were there things to talk about? >> She ain't never got nothing. >> Oh, >> come on, man. She from Delaware. >> This is this is a this is a a like >> this is a >> it's a topic that >> No, it's not. I JUST KNOW YOU AIN'T NEVER GOT NOTHING. >> It's a sore spot a little bit. >> What's a sore spot? >> She never got nothing. >> Yeah, it's fine. We can move on. We can move. Taylor, you got topic right now buying rice and beans and you'll get back. Please, please. >> Like you like cuz you like I can tell you like was a late bloomer. Like you just started to glow, you know? >> Oh, no, no, no. Been that girl. Period. >> No, no. I'm not saying that you didn't have the confidence. >> No, no, no. I had the confidence. I had the looks. I had It was all It's always been there. >> I'm not saying you didn't have the >> I've always been treated like her. So, wherever you about to go now, you going in the car by yourself. >> I don't know her. >> Her. >> I don't know if it was her. >> Capital H E R. Okay. Matter of fact, put some dots in between because I really was like flexing it for I don't know if you was her. >> Yeah. Like it's it's been a noticeable glow up. >> You see what I'm saying? Not even noticeable. >> But the glow might have been but it wasn't no pronoun after like you might have like you might have been but you wasn't a HER. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HAVE A THEY THEM. THAT'S YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN. There was no pronoun after the >> My point is is that where I'm at right now, I don't have anything to prove. And certain conversations, I just feel like it don't take me to be in it. And I'm totally okay with that. >> That don't have nothing to do with the fact that you are not engaged. Okay. >> I will be though. >> I hope so. I will be. >> I just don't respect it till it's engaged. >> I'll be engagement. What does you respecting it look like? >> A little I have a little bit more respect, but then I have I need to see the wedding date. You know what I'm saying? >> Oh, no, no, no. It's very clear. Don't engage me without a wedding date. >> Yes, wedding day got to come. >> I'm not a grown I'm not a grown >> Jayla got engaged. She had a wedding girlfriend and I'm not a career fiance. >> I just left a wedding. My good sister, you know what I mean? And engagement was last year. >> Engaged for >> not even a year. >> Okay. What age did you get did you propose? >> Exactly. >> It was 2014. >> It was like 30. >> 2014. >> Yeah. No, I got time in 2013. >> That's over a decade ago. >> You did like a year before I came. >> I proposed 2013 and got married in 2014. So, you were like 35. >> I don't even remember. >> 3. >> I'm bad with that type of [ __ ] but >> I bet you were like 2013. >> I'm 48 now. So, >> do the math. >> Okay. Grown ass boyfriend. Was people telling you that we're It doesn't matter if y'all were together. HONESTLY, YES, IT DOES. It doesn't. That actually makes it worse. You didn't have to get to know certain things as much as me meeting a person that I am dating newly. >> I'll tell you the difference. Number one, we were kids. Then, we were trying to figure life out. So it's like we didn't have no money or anything like that. We didn't have no stable place to stay. If I I lived in an apartment sometime in Colia, she never she would stay with me for a little while and go get her own spot cuz she got her own independence. And it's always been like that until I finally got into a position where I'm like, you know what, I can hold it down for me and my family. Y'all, >> y'all two don't have that excuse. Your man got loins that he opening up. Okay, >> lounges. Your man GOT YOUR MAN GOT THE WORD. MAN, DON'T LET IT GO. >> MAN GOT LO that he opening up. >> I I was texting like he's he's opening his lounge this weekend in New York. And then I put Loins on accident. He won't let go. >> He's opening his opening loins this weekend. >> Yo, that's great. >> He got money. >> Oh, so they both outside moving single. >> You I was going to say she out here getting money. >> Now would be the perfect time for y'all to link up and grow even more together. >> That's what we going to tell. That's what we're doing. >> We'll see. I'm not here to hate on it. I'm just telling you that I'm going to hate on it until it happens. >> Do you drink at weddings? >> Oh, yeah. I was I got >> And you just be talking, huh? >> Yeah. Yeah. I had >> I don't know if I can want you coming. >> Ball this I had a ball this weekend. >> I used to want you on the guest list, but if you going to be drinking and talking pissing me off this weekend worried about him saying, >> he just be, you know, he be making stuff up and just talking. >> I had a ball this weekend. >> He don't make nothing up. What does he ever make up ever? >> I don't make up [ __ ] That's your problem. Y'all know I don't make up [ __ ] I just say what the [ __ ] is going on. You literally be saying, "Believe me when I'm lying." >> That's not making up. >> That's me telling you I'm lying. Okay. >> I had a ball this weekend. We had a I love weddings, man. Weddings make me feel good. Weddings make me feel so good. Weddings are so incredible. They're such joyous occasions. I love seeing >> that union. >> You know what I mean? And this wedding was different cuz I just, you know, I just really saw how >> What was he doing? You said from the beginning you knew that he was serious about her. I don't know. It's just the energy. It's just the way a person moves when they with their significant other. You can already see them as a unit. Like they already blend. Like they're already together. Like when I see P and Tai, they're a unit. >> You know what I'm saying? Like I'm saying two a pair. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> I don't like y'all look like the number 10. Like you tall and stop. We're going TO DARLING. LIKE YOU'RE out of control. >> Control. Let's go. >> I mean, number 10 is a nice looking number. >> Don't start because he walk around with security. YOU DON'T MY MAN. I'mma let him GO CUZ HE DESERVES TO. >> He is. What we talking about, man? What we got? All means necessary. >> Oh my gosh. All right. >> Oh, I missed this topic. I ain't talk about this this week. I wasn't on I wasn't on Breakfast Club Monday when y'all spoke about this. What was the Drake screen? What was the problem? >> Oh god. >> Oh, we did talk about it a little bit. >> A little bit. Um, well, it was 3 hours. >> When you went Did you watch all three? No. I could I I I literally >> All three hours was the 20 v one thing or it was just >> No, no, no. It was like it was literally a variety show. So, in the beginning, um Drake, it was like it was very cinematic, too. You remember how he was doing all those Iceman videos? So, in the beginning, it was like >> just a setting and then Drake walks out and he talks about how it's Stake's ninth birthday. I think he said it was ninth birthday or the anniversary. 9 years since they've been in business. >> Oh, so it was the anniversary. >> That's why he was doing it. >> Oh, all right. All right. All right. >> Yeah. So then they show this collage of like videos of like all of Drake's like best steak moments and like you know like the things he's been able to give away and do because he works with stake in the brand. Then Benadon comes on >> by the way. Very dope to be able to get How much I saw it was like a million dollars or something he gave away, right? >> He gave he did a million dollars to the women. You talking about on the stream? >> That's two different things. >> How much did he give away on the stream? I know he bought he bought a Birkin for Jordan Lucas. That's way more. >> I'm all for the I'm all for the charity. I I like I like to see people giving away things. >> Yeah. So, they talked a lot about just his experience with the brand. >> He gave away 500,000 >> dope wagon. >> That was But that was at the event for the event for the ladies. I remember talking about >> Did he give away money on the stream? >> Um >> I know. So during >> He did for the 20 v1. >> During the 20 v one, he promised the goth girl that he would buy her mom a house. >> That's how I knew that's how that stuff like that just reminds me how white Drake is. Like why you attractive to the golf girl? Like why you bing barking at the hot topics chick? >> But who have we known Drake to date as like a like a like black girl? Black girl. Who was Drake with? >> I mean no he's definitely been with some black girl. I'm just saying like that that's just a reminder of how white he is. >> He He was all He's still in love with Rihanna. >> Yeah. Come on. >> But his baby mom is >> so he just likes everything. What's wrong with that? >> THAT'S >> THE GOLF GIRL THOUGH. HE likes everything. I ain't never seen nobody get bricked up over Wednesday Adam streamer though >> I guess. I don't know. >> I mean a lot. Yeah, she's a popular streamer. A lot of the Well, Jordan Lucas, I knew who she was cuz she be doing like interviews and stuff. So, a lot of her interviews I be seeing like she had one the remember Young Miami was talking about how much money a man ever spent on her. That was on Jordan Lucas's stream. >> I tell you this though, I think that uh the backlash for this was kind of stupid. I mean, but you know, it's just like anything else. >> There's going to be people that like what you did and there's going to be people that didn't like what you did. And this, you know, that's just all it is. People are the people that didn't like it are expressing it. >> It was for a certain audience. >> I don't think it it's it's for Drake's audience. If you like Drake, you probably you love this. >> I love I know Drake as an artist >> that disses him. >> I don't have an issue with Drake. But I I didn't care for the I didn't care for >> Chick had a barking though. >> It was It was satire. He was being funny. >> I'm with you. But you The thing for me is like um Yeah. Drake done Drake Drake done ran the gamut like he done been around like you know you can't be barking for the golf barking >> for who? I don't know >> the golf girl I bought bought for my I only bought I would I bought for my wife. >> There you go. >> Yeah, I bought my wife. >> See, I correct. >> I know. I just think I just think this is this is a lot of unnecessary backlash for nothing. Like I don't like Drake being Drake. >> Yo, her transformation is crazy. They were showing old pictures of her and like pictures of her nails. >> Yeah, I know. >> She is like a whole different person. >> You can't believe that makeup [ __ ] That makeup [ __ ] But also her body, she got her body together, too. >> But that's a lot of women. A lot of women do that. But I mean, >> the whole face, she looks like a completely different person without the makeup. >> Yeah. >> You wouldn't even be able to recognize her without makeup. >> Yeah. I mean, listen, and also too, I think that we um we forget something about Drake. >> And it's something that Glasses Malone has said for a long time, and there's a lot of merit to it. He's a pop star. >> This is [ __ ] pop stars do. >> You know what I mean? And by the way, hip-hop artists can do this, too. It's not like it's not like people got to take the self so serious, you know what I mean? It's like hip-hop stars do funny things in different ways. This is just Drake's way of expressing his personality, you know what I mean? And and and and being the pop star that he is. >> But even when he did that commercial, who was it? Was that KD the sneaker commercial? >> The guy hosted SNL, y'all. >> But that's that's what this felt like. Like it was very like satire. And also too, I think Drake tries to not try, he does like a lot of like the young new youth culture things he done in a rap where like a lot of artists you might hear them first with Drake or see them first with Drake. He's doing the same thing to me in the stream world. It's just >> there's a certain point of it where I think about like I don't know. I just some of it I was like uh but you still Drake though. Like >> I think you got >> an actor at the end of the day too. Maybe it's hard for me to think about him that way cuz I think about him like rap Drake. Like I don't I >> I'm going be honest with you. I don't know why Drake don't get more in his acting bag. >> That's what I'm saying. Like I like >> I'm shocked that he hasn't like leaned all the way into something. >> I'm surprised about that as well. >> He's probably trying to do it through this. >> No, but he has the ability to do it right now if he wanted to. Like I'm surprised like >> what was that saying? >> He could have easily >> he's making videos all the time. >> When he was with when he was on Dave that was hilarious. >> There was that other show they had from Canada that was funny. He had moments on SNL that was funny. Like he's like I don't know. I'm shocked he hasn't leaned all the way into that bag. >> He's over it though. He wants to want me. >> No, I think you can clearly see he still loves it cuz he's doing stuff like this and the commercials. >> His personality. That's how I'm assuming. >> He plays into like he loves the character like sketch vibe and I think that's why he likes the streamer and the internet community so much because they freely do that. >> Can I can I ask you how do women feel about like the way he flaunts money and like gives it out? >> Oh, we Drake is very generous. We love to see >> that's not that's not corny to y at all. >> No, I think with Drake the difference is because there are men who lead money first and it can be corny, but I think with Drake it come he's he's charming like it comes off like >> he's not doing this cuz he's trying to [ __ ] any of these girls. >> Yeah, that's >> he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart. >> Charlotte, I mean I'm sure he might smash a couple but he seemed like he genuinely like doing this type of [ __ ] >> What's that song called? God and he gave out all that money at his birthday party. He gives out bags and like he this is not new. >> If you got a bunch of money, what are you else you going to do? >> BUT ALSO I WAS JUST curious >> when you hear about him dating I forget the woman um she was someone's mom but remember he shut down Dodger Stadium >> to take her out on a date. >> Oh >> when you hear about >> that was different. >> So don't be afraid to do something for somebody. You know I was saying the other night I hate the term tricking because tricking tricking has a negative connotation to it. like you're doing something for somebody for something in exchange. >> Expectations in return. Yeah. Feel it. >> It's just nice to make somebody else feel good. Like, you know, like Jordan. Jordan is such a bright spirit with so much electric energy. And I just like seeing her feel good. I like seeing all these women feel good. Fill that bank account up. It's always good to have personal goals, but do something for somebody else. You you might feel a little more than strapping a watch to your wrist or driving that new car, moving into that new place. >> Fly though, that's fire ain't >> [ __ ] her. >> I mean, he was if they were earlier, >> girl, you argued with me earlier about tricking and I was saying it ain't tricking if she's worth it. >> I didn't argue with you. I would never argue against a man tricking. Y'all should trick. >> I was saying that if you're a man and you're used to living a certain way, there's things that you're going to do. If I can afford to shut to shut down Dodger Stadium and take you on a date, I'm going to do that instead of taking you TO NICE GUY. >> WHAT I be trying to call out is the hypocrisy because you'll say that, but then when people are having a conversation about women asking for things, it's like if you ask for things, you a bird. But it's like >> the difference you're trying to make is he just does it because he has >> I'm doing it out the goodness of my heart. This is the way I live. I asked you on a date. I'm I'm the man and I said, "Yo, you want to go out?" You say, "Yeah, now I'm about to show you a good time." That's the difference between you coming to me saying, "WHY DON'T YOU SHUT DOWN DODGER Stadium and set me up a dinner and have me A PRIVATE CHEF AND BUY ME A BURGER?" >> BUT IF A woman is used to dating Drakeesque men. >> Oh, no. No, no. >> Like, not Drake, right? But you're used to dating. You can't be used to dating. No. >> I have friends that only date men of of crobably. So, but they maintain course. That's what I'm saying. Why are they divorced? Initially, I know I said probably some opport >> because listen, I'm going to tell you, I want >> No, that is hor. >> I want all the women to understand this. If you've ever dated three men in the same industry, you're a [ __ ] in said indust. >> What if it's across industries, but it's like same paper? >> If you [ __ ] three football players, trust me, you're known as a [ __ ] in the NFL. If you [ __ ] three NBA players, trust me, you're known as a [ __ ] in the NBA. If you [ __ ] three rappers, trust me, you're known as a [ __ ] in the rapper industry. >> Take the industries out of it. But what if it's a woman who says, "I only want to date men who can provide ABC, CC, and D. No matter if you a doctor, a dentist, or NFL player." >> That's dumb though cuz the people get down bad like, >> and some women are okay. >> But some women are okay with if I'm with you, you get down bad, I got you. >> You want no down bad [ __ ] >> Exactly. Y'all, Y'ALL THINK PEOPLE WANT THAT? Y'ALL, Y'ALL DO UNDERSTAND trauma is real. Y'all understand energy transfers? Do you understand projection? I don't want no [ __ ] projected on me. >> Keep that damn bad stuff to yourself. >> That's not true, Charlotte. No, that's not true. >> Yeah, but men go pick women out of the the crust crevices of nothing all day long and build them up. Y'all, not y'all. Let me not do you. Certain men love that. So, I don't want to hear that. >> Yeah, I don't I don't agree with that. We like there are women in this industry that are down bad, but they get passed around and those dudes love to flaunt them for some reason. >> You know how many girls in LA got followers and don't got no babe. >> That's what I'm saying. >> And a man will get with a a rapper will get with that girl, boss her up, let her start her little online following, buy her a bed, buy her the apartment, buy her the car, and then run around on her crazy because you can control her. >> Name me one woman that has allegedly been ran through in this industry who's wifed up right now. I >> Why do those women have to be ran through? >> Name who? >> I don't want to say that. >> They say >> no. >> Yeah, they do. >> She not wrong. >> She not wrong. Look at that like she stopped. >> We got to cut out this whole section. >> No, we believe her. We going to believe the name she said. But that's not true. That is very true. >> Yeah. Why not name? >> That's not true. You can How? You can only name like one. >> What? No. industry. I ain't never heard that one. >> They're kissing YOU. YOU REALLY SEE IT? >> Never heard that one. >> I'll be popping [ __ ] You ain't never asked like, "Yo, >> I don't talk to them like that." But here's my thing. >> Here's my thing. >> That's just that whole >> That only WORKS FOR HER. YOU GOT TO BE A WOMAN that has more >> than any guy you [ __ ] with to be able to live that type of life. I mean, I GUESS >> YOU GOT TO BE A WOMAN THAT got >> They're They're off limits. >> THEY GOT MORE THAN THE GUYS THEY [ __ ] WITH. >> MAKING UP THIS RULE, THOUGH. >> I'm not. I'm just telling YOU HOW IT GOES. >> GOT THOUGH. >> NO, IT'S A IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT POWER DYNAMIC. change no matter. BUT WHEN SHE WAS DATING BEFORE SHE GOT BEFORE she was she was dating that guy with all the money names. You got to believe these names. >> Names are >> No, but that's not that's not the first person that she talked about. But these are just examples that all I'm saying. What you're saying is the power dynamic is different when the woman got more than the man. And that's rare. >> It's rare when the woman has more than the man. >> That is very true. >> If you got less than the man and you got [ __ ] by three people in the industry. >> Very true. >> Poor. Yep. >> And by the way, I'm not saying I look at it like that. I'm just saying that's how people perceive you. >> I will never argue against a man tricking. I just think y'all be uh hypocrites because it be like, "Yeah, we trick when we want to and it's okay depending on who the man is." Then on the other hand, it's like if a woman wants too much, she's a bird. >> Here's the thing. A man that's spending on you is not tricking. Especially if the man already has money. That man is still living a certain Exactly. That's his lifestyle. >> Why can't So then why be that? Why can't she have the same? >> That's my point. WHY SHE GOT BUT WHY CAN'T she only date men who are used to a certain lifestyle? Because she knows what she expects. >> Does she live that KIND OF LIFESTYLE? >> YEAH. I I I NO. NO. NO. Let me tell you. >> Can she live that lifestyle without a man? >> Yes. Let me tell y'all something right now. None of my literally, I'm telling you right now, none of my friends who deal with men that do things for them can't get it triple double on their own. And I mean they own businesses, big businesses, multiple cities, multiple states, period. But they're not sitting. I can show y'all something. them. Why do you have to ask for it? >> Because there are certain men who get with you ask for what you ain't got. >> There are certain There are certain men that that there's certain men that there there's there's multiple reasons. Number one, if you're a woman that has it, a man will get with you and try to humble you by not doing certain things. And then now you got to ask. And >> if you got it, you don't care. Here's the thing. If you're a woman who actually has it, you ain't looking for nothing material from that man. The only thing that man can provide you is actual love and companionship. You ain't after for nothing material. It depends on the woman you're talking. It depends on the woman you're talking to. Cuz I know women that love their man to death. And if that man ever fell, she would pick them right back up. But when they met, he was able to maintain the lifestyle that she was providing for herself. Period. >> I promise you, if you are a woman, then you got to throw a name out because >> I can't. Y'all are going to know them. They're regular people. >> You ain't have no PROBLEM THROWING THEM OTHER PEOPLE NAMES OUT. >> THEY'RE NOT CELEBRITIES. If you are a woman who has their own, you are not looking for anything material from a man. You're actually looking for love. You're actually looking for real companionship. >> I agree. But for no, >> at the same time though, you you >> I don't even know the B. I don't even know. I don't know you know to buy a Birkin. >> You would go to her. >> I don't know. They sell that type of [ __ ] >> I personally don't like Birkens. They like old grand bags. >> My point is is that it's a lifestyle thing. It's not like a you got to do this, you got to do that. You know, a lot of successful women, how many of them, it's two sides of the coin. It's like a lot of successful women will date somebody with nothing because they don't have a choice and they can't find nobody else. >> All the successful women I'm looking for, you know what they want their man to do? Be in therapy. >> They want you to be a healed version. I DON'T EVER HEAR ALL THE SUPER SUCCESS ALL THE super successful women I know who've actually done work on their I promise you the conversation they have with me is never about how much money he got, what can he buy me. It's literally like, "Is that [ __ ] in therapy? Is that [ __ ] doing the work? If you're calling your successful friend about somebody, I guarantee you they're not asking those questions because they're they're they're like, "If Charlemagne is calling me, that person is even if they don't have all the money in the world, he knows what I'm bringing to the table." Like, I promise you that. But if they were to meet somebody randomly off the street, you going to want to know, so what do you do for work? What is your like these are >> you trying to get to know somebody though? >> Yes. But you trying to get to know that for a reason. You want to understand if I'm doing this for myself, where do you come into play? Even if you can't match it, that's a normal conversation. That doesn't burn. >> Have you really looking for that nice guy that can love you >> and you're not asking for? >> Uh yeah. No, there's >> You only with your man cuz he got loins his loins open. >> No, I'm not only with him because of that. But this time around when I was dating, I did say to myself, I want someone that is doing things for themsel because I've dealt with someone who didn't have a lot going on and it was hell. So when you was two [ __ ] low about a year ago >> first of all a year >> it was two [ __ ] low. >> Give me at least like 2023. >> It's 2026. >> No. No. This was definitely 2024 early 2025. But when you was two [ __ ] low. So >> what >> both of these [ __ ] had something going on. They both had >> in this season of my life. I didn't deal with anybody that couldn't meet me at a certain point. And not even just financially. Even if it was just like what are you doing? Like what are you what's what's your career path? Are you passionate about something? those type of people sit and think about therapy and the type of person I want to be, the type of parent I want to be, the type of husband I want to be. >> So, when you were dating the two dudes that like both had something going on, why did one dude win over the other dude? >> It might have been small things like actual attraction or do I really see a life with this person? Cuz also too, >> it wasn't that one had more. Why don't you just tell the truth? >> No, it gets to a point where >> somebody did win your heart. >> You be because once you begin to become intentional, >> y'all play basketball against each other late one night. >> Once you become once you become intent once you become intentional, you start really thinking about like, "All right, how was this person raised? What's the family dynamic? What would my household look like with this person? Can this Can I sit back and shut up and let him lead me? What's his vision for a Like?" It's a lot that goes into it that it just start dropping people off. Our refrigerator stay empty though. >> We don't live together. >> Oh, y'all don't. >> No, I thought that would be not even >> I'm not moving in. I'm not moving in with anybody until I'm married. I'm not doing that again. >> No, no, no, no. >> We spend a lot of time. We spend we we basically have our own separate places and we split time. But I did that before. >> Do you women understand what they may be giving to men? >> I did that before my last relationship. I won't do that again. Wait, wait. I think you should live with the person after you get engaged >> because you need to try out the whole living situation before. >> I'm okay with doing that. And even right now, like we do things where like we might spend weeks together at his place or weeks together at my place or maybe a month or two. Like we experience being together, living in a space, but I am not moving someone in. We're not putting names on leases. We not putting cars. We're not doing none of that stuff until I got something that's like solid. Like it's not happening. Not doing that. I made that rule for myself when I got out of the election. >> Let them sweat on you. >> Yeah, but that's because I know >> girls be letting guys sweat on them. >> Attention and I know there be putting their whole in their mouth. Sometimes eating ass, but then it'll be like I don't want to live with. >> You don't think THAT [ __ ] CRAZY AS [ __ ] NOW I AGREE THAT you shouldn't live with him. >> But I just want you to think about all the other things you doing with this man. If I got to pick and choose messing it up for all the single guys out there. >> If I got to pick and choose, we can stay separate houses and >> guys got to stop. But but I guess that's what I'm really saying, man. Guys got to stop playing, yo. Like, and I really mean this. There's a lot of good women out here. >> Yeah. >> And if you got a good woman, what are you waiting for? >> Oh, you think I'm a good woman? >> Not really. But I'm trying to help you out. >> What are you waiting on? >> I'm just saying like seriously like what are you waiting on? >> That's But y'all had to talk though, right? I told you and me. >> We came into it like it that was he was like, "Yo, I know this, this, and this, but here's what I'm on. This is what I want. are you here? And I'm like, yeah. Like, >> listen, by the way, it can go either way with you. Like, I can honestly be like, all right, if he don't propose, I get it. You know what I'm saying? >> Shut up. >> But if he do, I'll be like, "All right." You know what I mean? If that's what you really want to do with yourself, >> I'm smack you with this water. >> But I'm just telling you the truth. >> I am somebody you don't want to lose, baby. ANYBODY HAS EVER REASON I think Lauren is remotely a good woman is because of her mouth. >> It has nothing to do with her. I promise you, it's because her mom. She come from good stock. All right. But her >> I can't even say that about you. I don't know. >> Can I say something though? >> Yes. >> Like >> I gota meet. >> You guys talk about lot a lot about like the materialistic stuff. >> To me, I've never been a materialistic girl. But I feel like people forget how hard relationship could be when things get bad though. >> Yeah. >> But but people like when you're saying like I need a guy that has this, that, and the third. Like people be forgetting really what it is to stay in a relationship. For me, for me, it's not like, "Can you buy me this, can you buy me that?" It It's always about like your mentality. So, I've been in a very long-term relationship. I've been where things have gotten really, really bad. And I was I felt like I was by myself in that. So, that's why now it's like, "No, I want a partnership." And my partner, I want them to have a certain mentality about I can get out of this even if I can't or if I can't, I know how to communicate with another person where we can get out of this. But that's why your own is important because you don't want to become a dependent. Yeah. >> Because then what if you have to be with this person because they're funding your lifestyle or paying your rent or your mortgage. >> I've never I've never experienced that. Like I've always been a person that is like making my own way. Have I had people do things for me because they see that and they like, "Yo, I want to help out." Yeah, that's normally the case. But I've never been a person that's been solely just dependent on somebody. I have friends that live that way >> and some of them are loving it. Some of them are not so happy and they are figuring out other things. >> How do you how do those birds feel that you left in this? >> But >> I never was a bird. >> All right, man. See, since we can't have long honest conversations a bird of a feather, move on to another topic pissing me off. I want your old pictures, Lauren. >> I was not. >> You might not have had a bird mentality, but boy, >> that's what they love though. It's like when you get the middle point, it's like she not a bird. >> I a seen no middle point. I saw >> always been a middle point. little point right now. >> You know when them [ __ ] be first coming out the egg and that little head be sticking UP AND THAT [ __ ] >> THAT'S WHAT THE [ __ ] I saw. You used to wear them overalls with them braids. God damn. >> Okay. Well, first of all, my braids were >> What you laughing so hard for? You didn't even know me. >> But it seemed like he said something truthful because your face showed everything >> because he just be talking. He just be talking. My braids to this braid's fire. Okay. It had nothing to do with being a bird and I was not a bird. >> All right, man. All right. Listen. >> Just because a woman lay a black woman lays her edges, she's a bird. >> Your edges was NOT LAID. >> MY EDGES WERE NOW. NOW WE TALKING. >> NOW WE TALKING CRAZY. LAUREN, YOU KNOW THESE PICTURES EXIST ONLINE. >> I WILL SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW. >> No growth and all. >> That [ __ ] was crazy. That [ __ ] looked like you used to get your hair braided then brush it. >> It was EARLY DAYS. YO, IT'S OKAY WHEN YOU FIRST braids are supposed to give Bohemian Pocahontas like it was given that okay with the good hair. >> Why is this a topic? Usher is going to hold the >> Did you see this? >> No. >> Really? So >> him. >> So look, don't the man work at the store. But you open you held the door so just walk through it. Why you waiting for the guy to come to hold the door while you walk out? That's unnecessary. Usher. >> Okay, I see what you Okay. He could have just walked through. >> He really could JUST WALK THROUGH. >> NAH, [ __ ] ALL THAT, [ __ ] I'm Usher. Nah, [ __ ] all that. Yo, >> first of all, his name is Usher, so you hold the door. >> Listen, man. Let me tell you something about Usher Raymond. >> Usher Raymond IVth is one of the last superstars left, okay? He's one of the last people who still carries himself like a superstar. Do you remember when Mariah Carey came to the Breakfast Club years ago with her own lighting team? >> I wasn't there. >> And Mariah Carey had her own lighting team, set up the lights in the studio, and then turned our lights down. And I said, Mariah, we not going to be they're not going to be able to see us. She said, "That's the whole point, dog." Okay. >> I seen Usher walk in a room. This was years ago at the heart rate music festival. I seen Usha walk in a room dancing like, "OH SHIT." LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU EXPECT TO SEE WHEN USHER WALK IN A ROOM. >> IN FACT, Joe said that too when when Usher was on his podcast. He said Usher walked in. He took him to like a hood spot. Usher walked in. He was like he was levitating. >> I'VE SEEN IT. YO, I'VE SEEN USHER do that twice in my life. I seen Usher walk into the uh it was the radio I know the backstage green room area at the iHeart Radio Music Festival. He walked in doing all like walking the dog doing all this [ __ ] I'm like, "Oh shit." But I think he's just an artist. So when you're an artist and you either just left stage or you about to get on stage, you kind of like warm it up. I seen him do that again. We were in uh South Africa. >> It was uh where was we at? >> Johannesburg. He walked into the party and it was like now mind you this was a party that was very small. Was it wasn't even a lot of people there and like it was a lot of stars in the building. Superstars. He walked in like I am the I am the superstar. The DJ was playing his music. He >> No way. So I ain't got no problem with Usher making another Usher hold the door for him. Maybe that's just like a comfort zone. It's just like, you know, he walking in and taking pictures like you want to get the good he want to get a good shot. >> But ain't that a little crazy that he was fine with the woman open the door for herself? >> NO, HE OPENED IT FOR HER, DIDN'T HE? >> NO, SHE opened it herself. >> Eventually, he grabs it. She opens. >> I held it for her. >> No, she opened her. >> Listen, I wouldn't do it. But I ain't mad at Usher for doing it. I'm not Usher. I didn't make confessions. >> Yeah, you damn sure. >> Okay. I I didn't make 8701. All right. I didn't have everybody flying in Vegas. >> Usher with that chest out. >> That's how I did that this weekend. >> I did. You want to see? >> No, I don't. I don't got time for your [ __ ] >> How do you feel about uh women going to the Asha concert? >> I think it's fine. I mean, why now? Why would you do that? >> The band is the only >> You was down there scaring them damn people like that. >> Why you listen? I got chest, girl. I be working out, girl. >> But like getting on stage. So right now you go to us concert. He He wants to bring you on stage. >> No way in hell I'm going on stage. >> She's a liar. >> No way in hell. Even before my relationship, you would not catch me. >> Why? They all lie and say her ass off. >> I That's one thing I'm very very very for sure about. I would never do nothing that loud ever. Period. Never. You're on the BREAKFAST CLUB >> AT WORK. I'm not there thrusting and throbbing and shout out to Lauren Laos. I mean, you could be like the woman that just does the little whatever. But >> I would never. >> If you feel it in your body, you might walk up on you with that [ __ ] You going to be >> Never. And I'm not doing it. I wouldn't do the cherry thing either. >> Huh? >> I wouldn't do the cherry thing either. >> Now, the cherry thing is crazy. >> I wouldn't do that. >> Cherry thing is crazy. Your guy is big though. He might eat the cherries cuz he's >> He seemed like he'd be hungry during the show. >> That's crazy. Charlotte, you got that one. You got to chill out. I promise you even I'm going to let hungry. HE'S A GROWN ASS. YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IT IS? It's because And this happens. Yeah. Cuz you're you're little and stubborn. >> If you feel it in your body >> and you're just mad cuz that man is fine and tall and chocolate. >> He would be an offensive lineman. I'd be a running back. >> You wouldn't be on a [ __ ] field. You have You have no body build. You have no nothing. Like you're just there. You know what you would be doing? You'd be dropping your kid off. See the chest again? >> You'd be dropping your kid off in the minivan. Okay. Get off the field. >> I think cuz I don't show it off. Y'all don't think they y'all don't know what's going on. It's g quiet on the creek. >> Okay. What's under that shirt? >> See, Lauren, you cannot do that. You can't say grind on the creek and do the move and then be like, "No, I wanted to." And you can't. You got heavies. You can't do that, Lauren. That's >> It was quick. >> Nah, it's crazy. There ain't nothing quiet about this. >> You got heavies, TOO. >> NO, I DON'T. CROSSING IT. GOT HE had a had a ner have a deep V-cut too. You're >> [ __ ] right. >> You showing cleavage is crazy. I know we're very inclusive. They them. But put them on >> with a tank top under the jacket. >> Yeah, >> that's probably what Usha got on. He probably got on a tank top under the jacket. >> I guess it's a a flesh tone shirt. >> A no flesh. No, his flesh tone. >> You want me to be You want me to be short and stocky so bad and that's crazy. >> No, you short and thick and round. >> Hey, acknowledge it. Don't make >> Taylor mad at my man though. Taylor be hating. Taylor be hating. >> My man is fine. >> Taylor be hating. >> You be hating. Damn. I meant to send you something and I >> What? How somebody said? >> No, it was like something about being thicker. >> YEAH, [ __ ] GET THICK BUT CHARLOTTE THICKER. [ __ ] >> you wish. My guy that is crazy. >> That is crazy. But >> what else we got? Taylor gang NBA Young Boy >> who >> did y'all see this part when he was like, >> "Oh my god, this was so funny. I'm [ __ ] I'm black. I'm I'm brown or whatever. >> I'm black. >> Yeah, you just >> I'm dark skin. >> Yeah, but are you actually a [ __ ] >> You were taken it back by the hard er. >> Yeah, like that was a little crazy. No, it's not, man. >> Y'all know exactly what young boy mean, man. WHY Y'ALL ACTING LIKE Y'ALL DON'T KNOW A YOUNG BOY? ME BLACK AND it's Bonnet black. It's like why you say like >> CUZ YOU TELLING US YOU'RE PLAYING AGAIN, MAN. >> Y'all act like y'all know Bonnet black. >> I'm black. I'm brown or whatever. >> I'm black. >> Yeah, you just I'm dark skin. >> I'm dark skin. >> Yeah. But are you actually a [ __ ] >> Shout out to Marco, man. >> Yo, that is not >> It's true. I KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING. >> Don't do this. But like >> you do funny Marco like re recently >> I might do I [ __ ] with Marco. That's my guy. That's my guy. I [ __ ] with Marco. Okay. That's my that's that's that's nephew right there. That's son. Marco called me yesterday told me hello father. Shut the [ __ ] up Marco. >> He hasn't been to the show. >> Yeah. He >> that's WHY HE GOT IN TROUBLE with [ __ ] Fredo Bang >> because he came to the show >> said Jaylen Herz was handsome. Maternity leave. >> You might have been. Yeah. Marco said Jaylen Herz was handsome >> and then to be funny because everybody online started calling him gay. He unfollowed everybody and followed Jaylen Hurt. So that was the only person he was following. >> Oh that's funny. >> And then when he started following people back I guess a couple months later or whenever it was he forgot to follow Fredo Bang back. So when Fredo Bang saw him sitting with Young Boy he thought that Marco unfollowed him because of Young Boy cuz I guess Young Boy and Fredo got something. So Fredo left a message telling Marco, I'mma see you, right? >> Wow. >> Rappers are sensitive. >> I'M TELLING NOW THAT FRED DON'T KNOW THE STORY, I'm sure. He like, oh [ __ ] I didn't know that's what happened. So he ain't that serious. Rappers are sensitive. Very [ __ ] sensitive. Some of the most sensitive people walking the face of the earth. >> This records not like they sensitive. >> He made a diss record against you. >> Who? Yeah, young boy. I remember that. It was >> Did he ever say anything about it? I hope he liked it. >> Oh, about your remix? >> I made a remix. OH, I'MMA SHOW YOU HOW TO ACT A DUNKEY. >> YEAH. >> Do you think you've been dissed the most as a media personality by rappers? >> Beat up, too. >> Um, >> you ain't have to do that. >> I don't know. Wendy got Wendy got mentioned in a lot of the [ __ ] too. >> She has. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Tupac mentioned Wendy. Will Smith mentioned Wendy. Jay-Z mentioned. >> Oh, that's true. Yeah. >> Yeah. Wendy Williams. You don't know me. Not blow me. How do you know? >> Girl, better leave me alone. call by your radio station and send you, oh, how you know the rap is pull that up. >> Yo, Charlie, you know the rapith. >> You was there when that time when it dropped? >> No, but she had it as a drop. It's like that's why I be always telling y'all grab all the artist drops. She had it as a drop and and she would play it all the time. It'd be like a sweeper. Wendy Williams, you don't know me. I'm not your >> punching. That's what it was. Huh? Lunch freestyle. >> No, it says Wendy. It It should be Will Smith Wendy Williams disc. >> Okay. >> Will Smith Wendy I don't know what song that was from. >> Where where where was she working? What market was she when she was playing it? >> She was uh in New York on W I don't know when Will did that record but she used to play it on WBLS when she was on 107.5 and she was syndicated. Uh she was only like nine markets. >> Was she in Philly? >> She was in Philly. >> That's funny. >> She was in Philly. She was in Columbia, South Carolina. >> But you you have quite a few. >> Quite a few. I think you might have the most. Take the beanie sequel one get that one in just star gets >> No, he he's talking about actual mentions in song. >> Oh, I'm talking about people pulling up. >> The song's called Mr. Nice Guy. >> Hold up. Popcorn. >> Popcorn just did one like in January. >> No, but he pulled up on you. >> No, no, no, not yet. >> Not yet. >> Okay. >> They say it was a diss. I don't know what the [ __ ] >> That's probably why you be mad at my boyfriend, too. You've had some really interesting interactions with people from Philly. I used to I used to do radio in Philly. I love Philly. Philly. I love [ __ ] Philly. >> Let me hear it. Taylor, let me hear. He's >> from Philly. >> Mhm. >> But it's not I'm looking at the lyrics from West. >> Born and raised. >> Yep. >> On the playgrounds where he spend most of his days >> basically. >> Getting all fat, eating fast food. >> STOP. I wonder how you going to remix it. >> You are advocate. >> He's good, man. You need to limit your jokes. Like maybe like two per like interaction mean >> cuz like it's unfair. He you don't even know him. You don't even know HE DON'T EVEN BEFORE. >> YOU say hi to everybody Charlene. You don't know him to be joking. >> We spoke on the phone. >> Yeah. Because he was like, "Yo, put that [ __ ] on the phone. Like tell him stop playing with me." And he got on the phone. >> Look at him laughing. You know what? >> Hello. Hello. Hanging up. Yeah. Let's build f out of here. I'm listen >> to come home to someone that acts like you. >> It's so fun. >> It's ridiculous. >> And you act like it's not the funnest thing. >> Get a break. I will have to put you in the corner. Like just >> you like it's not fun. Did you find it? >> Yeah. >> Can we hear it? >> Let me see. I have to say this is very Will Smith. >> Shout out to Big Willie. >> Y'ALL GOING TO STOP PLAYING WITH BIG [ __ ] WILLIE. >> YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE AND I love Will Smith, but you're the only one that knew that song. I didn't never knew he'd have a song like this. >> [ __ ] Willie. SEE, YOU KNOW WHY THIS RECORD IS DOPE? This record is dope because it's a combination of Fresh Prince and Will Smith. Now, I'm on record of saying Fresh Prince is dope. Will Smith is whack. But this right here, MR. NICE GUY, >> it had a little Eminem feel to it. Had a little M&M feel to it. >> This is when people could be free. >> No, that was actually kind of fun. I ain't going >> people could be free. You know what I'm saying? HE SAID, "I WAS GAY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT." WHY? I CRAZY. >> WHY? I >> He said he was just gay on A FRIDAY NIGHT. >> SHOUT OUT TO BIG WILLIE. Let's pay some bills, man. >> People do not know. >> I mean, he been trying to tell us for a while. >> I know. Playing with Big Will if you want to. >> That's why he was upset, y'all. >> Yeah. >> He was never upset at me. Will is my guy. I am a pink. My last name is Charlemagne. I don't [ __ ] with you like that. >> Pinky Smith Winfrey Nose Carter. >> Yeah, but he don't [ __ ] with you like that. >> Who? Will Smith. >> All right. >> When they were here, he was like, "All right, Charlotte." Like, >> what you mean? >> He don't like you. >> Who? >> I he don't like him, but >> that's my guy. Shout out to Big Willie. >> I can see Jada like liking you, but >> that's my I love Jada, too. >> Yeah, cuz she can get with you. She can understand with him. I feel like he don't got the tolerance for you. >> You a bit much. >> WILL FROM PHILLY. WELL, LIKE THE joking clown. >> Nice. >> He ain't about to joke with you a lot. Listen, shout out to Willie. Shout out to Big Will. >> When's the last time you seen him? >> Seen who? >> Will. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I don't know. It's been a couple of years. I a seen Will in a >> So, you haven't seen him since we reported on his songs that came out here. >> I've spoken to him since then. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he How do you feel about that? >> You think he saw it? Will Smith? >> Yes. I don't know. What? >> AND WE WEREN'T JOKING. I SAID THIS [ __ ] WAS FIRE. >> CHARLIE, YOU SEE EVERYTHING. SO, he saw it. I said the [ __ ] was fire. Okay. Will [ __ ] fire. That was fire we listen through just now. Okay. >> That was actually pretty good. >> I KNOW THAT TRIED TO HATE ON WILL SMITH. >> HE WAS KIND OF BLOWING when he was the one that was like >> keep PLAYING WITH WILL SMITH. >> THIS IS HOW HE GOT HIM. >> What he say? >> I am the He'll just be like, "I am the flag. I'm the star." >> Like stupid [ __ ] >> Why can't he be the flag and the stars? Okay. Why can't he be these things? >> Y'all just be hating on SHOUT OUT TO WILL SMITH. >> WILL SMITH. I said Andrew making fun of him. >> I am a Pinket Smith. Winfrey nose Carter. >> You're you you're married into the um Pinket. >> Okay. >> Let's pay some bills. Shout out to Cash App. Cash App does more than you think when it comes to having your back and making sure your money stays your money. Okay. Cash App just released a new status program for the way people actually spend called Cash App Green. 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Sutton debit Flex Card and Bankor debit Flex Card. Cash App Green features savings, direct deposit, roundups, overdraft coverage, and discounts provided by Cash App, a Block Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/mpodcast for full disclosures. Let's do some church announcements. Lauren Larosa, >> here. >> Do you have any church announcements? >> Just the daily podcast. Monday through Friday, 6 a.m. You can check out the episodes. Oh, 6:00 a.m. you can check out the episodes. Um, we we do like bite-sized breakdowns of like everything that is big, major news, trending, exclusives there, too, and exclusive conversations. So, if you want to hear a little bit more of me and the latest, that's where you catch us at. Uh, brought to you by Black Effect Podcast Network. >> And, you know, you get to know a little bit more about her as well, like not just the stories. >> That's true. Yeah, we we check in behind the scenes of the grind. So, you do get to spend a little bit more time with me just my favorite part of the podcast more personally where we just talk through what I'm thinking. It's weird cuz I be talking to nobody but I be talking to people. >> But that's that's how you know you're a good personality. That's what that was was one of Wendy Williams scrims. She can sit in that studio by herself and put on a whole 4hour show and you know wouldn't miss a beat. That's when you know you're a great personality. That's a very rare skill set. There's only a few people I know that I can do that. I think it's a little different now because more people practice like that. Meaning like if you're on screen for 5 6 hours, you know, but even then you still got your chat, right? So you're talking and responding. But to be on the radio where you can't see nobody >> and nobody can see you and you just talking and just you and the sound effect person in there, it's a different skill set. >> Different skill set. >> You got to hone in it. It'd be too much. I be going too long. Yo, you you talk sometimes you just talk too fast and you repeat something that you already said but you say it differently like but you're >> Yeah. >> And I want to tell everybody uh October 10th 10. Uh well, first of all, I want to say thank you to everybody who came out to my 11th annual uh back to school driving fish fry in mouse corner, South Carolina. Salute to spray ground for giving me such a great discount on backpacks. Really appreciate y'all. Salute to all the vendors that came out, provided free food for everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, and also I want to tell y'all that October 10th, 1010 World Mental Health Day, I'm doing my mental wealth expo in Newark, New Jersey. I don't even remember what year this is. This might be our fourth year, fifth year. I think it's our fifth year, but my 10th my my fifth annual mental wealth expo at the Joel and Diane Bloom Wellness and Event Center. Salute to my good sister Debbie Brown. She is curating everything uh this year and we're focusing on solutions this year. You know, we've gotten together the last few years and just had conversations about how to eradicate the stigma around mental health, but this year is all solutionoriented. So, go um to www.mentalwealthexpo.com to register to be there. It's a free event. So, we'll see you 10:10 in Newark, New Jersey. Alex, you got church announcements? >> Oh, yes. Um guys, you guys know my live show that I do every Sunday AM mornings. It's really dope seeing some of the Brilliant Idiots fans, the Flagrin fans calling in. It's fire. Just head over to amornings.com on YouTube. We do it every Sunday at 11 a.m. And then also, I have my tennis clinic for anybody who wants to play tennis or you already play. The next event is August 22nd. Just head over to theallloclub.com, buy a ticket there. And >> so I am doing a YouTube series. It's called Made It Series where I'm asking people how they made it since they call me Taylor made it. I'm just doing a little twist on it. >> She's doing silly ass jokes. >> No, >> no, she does have her tiny post that she does, but no, she does have a series. She's already been posting. >> Yeah, for real. >> It's called Made It Series. And it's just getting um people's uh perspective of what they what the definition of made it to them is. And that doesn't even have to be about career. It could be about just being what successes to them in life. >> Yes. >> This is a good time. Pull up the uh because I didn't talk about this yet. Pull up the um highest paid podcasters because Lauren had a question and there was a discussion around um >> how you monetize outside of YouTube. >> Well, yeah, the Forbes list. >> Yeah, it was the the question was there was no black women. >> Oh, yeah. Then that and I said, is it that the advertising and the corporate people don't want to work with the black women in their content like they don't see the value in it? >> It's the highest paid podcast of 2026. Um, no need to get in the numbers, but let's just look at >> Oh, this was the list where they put you. >> I was I was on there. >> Wait, we were number >> Well, it don't even matter. Joe Rogan was number one. >> Send you the PDF template. Hold on. >> Scroll it. Joe Joe Rogan was number one. Uh, let me see the Pull up the pictures, Taylor. >> Yeah, >> Joe Rogan was number one. Travis Kelce and Jason Kelsey were on there. Jay Shetty's on there. Amy Polar, Tucker Carlson, uh, Alex Cooper. Uh, I'm on there. Joe Buddton is on there. Steve Bartlett, Diary of the CEO, the Pod, that's the Pod Save America guys are on there. Um, Smart List is on there. A lot of the usual suspects, but everybody was having a discussion, at least in uh my al on my algorithm, about why there were no black women on the list. >> Yeah. >> And I want y'all to know this list is not about race. >> It's not >> in no way, shape, or form. Sorry to tell y'all that. Okay. It's not about race. And I meant to send you this cuz I had actually wrote these things down. Um th this is about infrastructure >> and when you read about all of these different individuals you will see that. Okay. Um I I sent this to Angela Ry. That's why I'm reading it. Number one, you have to own and control your IP, >> which mostly all podcasters do because you want to have a significant stake in your show and the business around your show. And that's the most important thing, guys. You have to have a business around your podcast. What is the business around your podcast? When I say business, what am I talking about? I'm talking about you have to build multiple revenue streams around your pod. You have to have a licensing deal with a platform, right? That's what Breakfast Club has with Netflix, right? That's what a lot of these shows have. They have licensing deals with these platforms. And then you got ads and you got sponsorships and you might be signed to a pod podcast network or you might BE >> OWNING >> A OWNER. OF A PODCAST NETWORK CALLED THE BLACK EFFECT. You got to have merch, right? You got to have live events. You got to have products. You got to have at least two or three of those things going >> around your podcast to really generate the revenue. Um, and most importantly, guys, cuz it's only like a few things that those two things I just named. And most importantly, you have to have a massive measurable audience reach. I think you know when I look at that when I think about it you say and we think about no black women on the list the only podcast hosted by a black woman currently with numbers like folks on that list. >> Y'all don't want to hear this but it's Candace Owens. >> I believe that though. >> Candace Owens numbers audio and video are massive. I was actually shocked Candace wasn't on that list. So maybe it's a I don't know. Maybe it's a disconnect in the business. I don't know. Are you I feel like brandwise people don't want to put her on a list because of what she's grown to represent. >> Sure. >> Even though Joe Rogan is a little testy. >> Sure. But it's not like Candace couldn't be selling merch. It's not like Candace couldn't be doing live events. It's not like Candace couldn't be having a subscriptionbased tier that I'm sure people would pay for. You understand what I'm saying? Like there's a lot of different ways for Candace Owens to monetize her podcast. Candace Owens audience is massive. Now listen, I'm only talking about numbers, guys. I'm not talking about anything else. We ain't talking black. We ain't talking white. We're talking numbers. Okay, as my guy John O'Brien says, numbers don't have any feelings, okay? We're just talking math. >> When it comes to numbers, Candace Owens is through the roof. And I had to look up. I was thinking, I was like, damn, I feel like Michelle Obama, >> but so new though. I mean, it's Michelle Obama. But >> Michelle Michelle Obama does about 600,000 audio downloads a month, >> which is m Which is pretty big. >> She's Michelle Obama, >> right? And and also, I would think her video numbers do well. I haven't looked on YouTube to see. But more importantly, to your point, because she's Michelle Obama, I would I would think brands are backing up the bank's truck. >> She got I mean, one of her biggest sponsorships on her podcast is Uber. I mean, Uber um uh Airbnb >> like that's a her and her brother, they always got to do a segment about like how the Airbnb >> they probably spending the bag, >> but also 600,000 a month is not >> no no >> on the level of the people you listed. So that's why I can understand why she was excluded, but Candace Owens is one I don't understand why she wasn't on this list. >> I think there's a disconnect with the business in her world. >> I'm I'm her world is subscribers. So all the people who comment, they have to subscribe to subscribers. >> She has subscribers. So she's getting crazy >> across where what she does. Does she have subscribers at >> to her own website? >> Oh, so she controls >> that comes straight in. She is. She's probably the highest paid podcaster right now if I had to guess. >> Has she still been doing it? >> No. No. For for her show, not outside stuff. But if you just say the amount of money you take from your show, all her people that watch live that are commenting are subscribed to her directly. So there's no there's no Patreon getting a cut. There's no YouTube getting a cut. That's directly through her building. And then she got books that she publishes. She got >> definitely got books. She >> No, listen. I told y'all I'm I I'm shocked Candace Owens was not on this list. I I said like that is the >> if I had if there was one black woman and I know y'all not going to like this, but it's just true, but we're just talking audience size and business. I was shocked that Candace Owen wasn't on that list. Now, who do I think is going to be on the list in the future? Michelle Obama. But also with Michelle, she may not be taking on a lot of sponsors cuz she don't want to because she's Michelle Obama. Her she's not going to just have her brand attached to any old thing. ain't like she she ain't going to have Craig on there doing Bluetooth edge. You know what I'm saying? Right. But >> I can see Michelle Obama on this list in the future and Kiki is killing it. Well, today actually well the day that we're filming this um meal and Michelle Obama just went live, but Kiki Palmer has been I know Kiki Palmer has been having a lot of like she she did Whoopy. Like Kiki Palmer and Michelle Obama are the two podcasts that I probably sit and watch religiously because their guests are out of here. Like >> I like Kiki. I I like her as a uh I like her as an interviewer. I do. I enjoy her. But >> those two are able to build businesses around >> Oh, yeah. And their podcast. >> Yeah. In real life is it's >> Oh, Angie's Kiki. Angie Martinez and um Michelle Obama's podcast is where I probably get most of my like content stuff. >> Not to pivot, but what was the backlash with Kiki getting a star? >> There's backlash. Oh, I saw people were saying like she didn't deserve to >> WHAT am I? I didn't say I didn't say I didn't say who would say that though because >> I just saw you mix a Puerto Rican. You said >> Oh my god. It's not about race. I'm just saying the other side of your race cuz we're black people. >> Oh, I saw men saying that [ __ ] >> I'm not even exaggerating when I see it. Say this. Kiki Palm is literally one of the most talented people and she's so hard working and she's not walk I feel like where her it's like she's very intentional about the work she be doing like she don't just do every anything she's maintained an elevated level of career for a very long time that is so hard to >> she's a kila in the be bro like she has a great >> she said that that movie didn't um do well in at first >> I'm sure it didn't Whoopy was talking about that Whoopy was saying how like a lot of her movies didn't do well either until they made it onto TV and then people were Oh, >> I think Kiki got more cult classics. I mean, I think one of the biggest box office hits she's had recently was the joint with Issa Ray when in Scissor. >> Oh, that was good. >> But I love her infrastructure. Like right now, everything she's doing, she it's all in house. She controls everything. So, a podcast she controls a lot of any additional >> cont. I forgetting to say that. >> Lauren going to be on this list. >> Grinding.com. He got the merch. >> Um, who else? What? What? What? You reserve that. You can't. >> 5 seconds away throwing his water. >> What? I said you going TO BE ON THE LIST. >> BECAUSE OF ME. >> Cuz of you. >> You need to get up every day. Make him record these episodes. Make him when I be tired recording them episodes and make sure we get them by succ. >> Yes. >> And I don't sleep on decisions. Decisions. I I feel like we've always have this conversation with them. I feel like they should have more. >> Well, it's >> and be doing more. They're doing everything they are. >> They are, but I feel like that moment of like they're larger than like life podcast like >> Call her Her Daddy for instance, larger than like she has billboards and like all these crazy she's in I saw in a commercial like on television for like I forget what it was for and I was like what is she doing there? Are there hurdles for black women who talk sex? >> Yes. >> And I% But why do we like to act like when women point out certain things? Like I think the conversation around this list and no black women being on it wasn't like everybody knowing the numbers because we know that people don't be doing the numbers all the time, right? It was just more about >> there are so many barriers that happen, but we love to act like no, just pull your bootstraps up and you'll be fine. >> No, but if the the only reason it's hard to have those type of discussions is because there's nothing to compare it to, right? Like there the only black woman led podcast I'm telling you that can compare to the podcast on this list is Candace. Candace only does better numbers than some of these people on this list. Yeah. >> So so that's that's where we have to start. You have to start with the audience. >> Yeah. And when I say when I say doing more with decision decision >> doing better numbers than everyone on >> Let me look I'mma look that up. >> Yo, I'm telling you. Yo Charlotte, you got to >> Last time I checked it was something stupid. >> But I mean I would imagine that she's very polarizing. >> Yeah, but it don't matter if you're if if you're making the list based off the numbers. You got to put her on. >> No, y'all. It's a lot of people that don't a lot of brands and businesses that regardless of her numbers don't want to stand next to her. That's >> that's why she's had to build that site that you're talking about. >> By the way, she would be kicked off anywhere else. >> That's what I used to get on these panels at these advertising, you know, conferences and stuff and and and argue about and I would always use horrible decisions as the answer. I'm like, "Yo, you got guys we [ __ ] and call her daddy, and you know, you got these two black women, Mandy and Weezy, who do ridiculous numbers, right?" Yeah. And advertisers are scared of them. Why? Because they're black. Listen, January 2026, Podcribe reported that Candace averaged about 2.9 million downloads per episode. That's just audio >> per episode, guys. >> And that was down 8% from the prior month. in October 25. Listen, in October 25, she was even higher at roughly 3.5 million downloads, ranking number one in that particular crossplatform metric. That's just audio >> and I'm not a fan at all, but I pay attention just to what's going on. >> Same with her list, but I she >> and she is out here. When you exclude her from list like this, you just make her bigger. Cuz now it's like, >> no, but the reason why that >> Nobody said, "Where's Candace Owens?" Except for people like him who know the numbers. >> You got to know the business. >> But you, but you know how like um people root for the underdog. She like still >> nobody as I'm talking about how she like uh portrays herself to her audience. She portrays herself to as the underdog everybody's against me type stuff. So when you exclude her from a list like this, you actually just make it bigger. Oh, I'm lying, too. The 2.9 is actually uh audio and YouTube views. >> But that's per app, Charlotte. Nobody's doing that per episode. >> She ranked number two in downloads plus views per episode on YouTube. >> Mhm. >> This was April 26. Podcast specifically reported in April 2026 that Kansas ranked number two in downloads plus views per episode and that the majority of his views were from YouTube. >> Yeah. >> Her YouTube footprint is enormous. She got six crazy. She got 6.5 million subscribers and 1.49 billion lifetime views as of late July. I mean, listen, >> was that what she was doing all the stuff about whether that um they that whether that person was a man or not? >> I mean, I don't know. Candace Candace has been bu That's the other thing, too. That's the other thing I want everybody to remember about these list. >> Time people like Candace have had they've been building this for a decade plus. M >> she's had her pod for at least six, seven years. Seven years is always the sweet spot to me. A lot of these people on this list have been doing this [ __ ] for a long [ __ ] time. Like Joe Button has been potting for over a decade. >> You know what I'm saying? I' I've been doing this [ __ ] 13 years. I've been literally hosting a podcast for 13 [ __ ] years. >> I wish we would see an end of the year wrap up ever again. >> What you mean? >> Yes. >> Now we talking. Now we talking. >> Yeah. >> Now we talking. >> End of the year wrap-up. >> Yep. I I could produce it. >> We can produce it. >> I don't know if I like you no more. You was cool when when I first walked in here. Me and Kay figure it out. But once you start throwing jabs at my man, you might >> But it's good content. >> Me and Joe don't even got to make no content. Like it's just like >> No, but this is something I threw out. Actually, I would like to see you, Joe, and ACT make something. >> Oh god, I want to see >> because it it targets every single aspect of the internet. Well, I mean in a sense for Yeah. But >> that would be a fire show. A >> is annoying as [ __ ] I know. I know you don't like him. Well, maybe you don't like him, maybe you do. It don't matter. I'm just saying that be a fire show. >> Joe, me and Joe love each other, guys. >> He's recently said that, too. >> We do love each other. >> So, question. So, you and Charlemagne are at odds. What's going on? >> Not at all. Not at all. It's just a funny ongoing. >> You love each other. >> It's a joke. Yeah, we love each other actually. >> Good. That means something. >> Staring at the phone. >> That means something. We both staring at the phone like, "All right, who gonna call who first?" You know what I mean? We'd rather probably run into each other. >> Y'all are in We probably run. We'd rather run into each other. >> It's like, "Oh my god, talking." >> We'd rather run into each other like, "Oh, okay." You know, just bump into each other some just bumped into each other recently. Yeah, I'm like a girl like Yeah. I haven't I haven't talked to him, but I think I'm going to run into him. So, I think I'm just going to bump and try to talk and then you go where then you go where he know you know he going to be. >> Exactly. >> This is why guys don't even like to have these kind of conversations cuz you see how they act with seven. Yeah, you do that. You be like, "Yeah, cuz I know he going to be here." >> But now it's never going to happen when you put that sauce on it. >> No, it's going to happen. Like it's going to happen, guys. end of the year wrap-up will be amazing. I think because these lists that keep coming out and these are big lists. This is like not just and it's no shade to like you know these are really big lists. These are >> people that are looking at these lists are in all different types of genres of life and race, religion, all that, right? And you two stick out on this list for us all the time. It >> cuz we [ __ ] what NBA Young Boy said >> [ __ ] >> Are you a [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah, >> you real hard either. So, um they have so much influence where the rest of the culture will start to do that because a lot of these people collab with one another and that's what they lift all one tie lifts all boats. What I was saying is I'm telling you they need to be the [ __ ] example and they got to stop. But y'all got to have we need an honest conversation to kick it off first cuz I just needed to watch >> what Alex is saying is true. No, what Alex is saying is 100% true. I watch I look at these lists and that is the thing I see. I'm like, "Yo, all of these people, they build with each other. They collaborate with each other. They do things with each other." And by not like we didn't do that. So we'd be lying if we said on our comeup >> we all didn't help each other. A lot of people would say that's the heyday when everybody was working together and building. >> Listen, I'm not I'm not sitting there disagreeing with none of that. Cuz I be looking at this [ __ ] online, man. All of this back and forth is goofy. Now listen, there's some of y'all I don't give a [ __ ] about building with ever cuz I don't have no relationship with y'all. Didn't have a relationship with y'all 15 years ago and don't really care to have a relationship with y'all now because the [ __ ] that y'all be doing just for clicks and views just ain't for me. I know people want to look at me and be like, "Yo, Charlamine was a shock jock." I'm really an [ __ ] when I want to be. Okay? So, it's not like I was out here just doing [ __ ] for clicks and views. And when I did [ __ ] for clicks and views, it never felt good. And I've told y'all I told I told y'all that Floyd Mayweather [ __ ] didn't make me feel good when I played the audio. >> So, that wasn't just you. That was I know this going to go crazy. >> That was I lit I say it. If you listen to the audio, I'm saying it. I'm like, "Oh, [ __ ] that." Like, we got the audio. Let's play it. This [ __ ] I'm saying it like I can't move like that. That [ __ ] don't make me feel good. And go go go back to a conversation that we had with Wendy Williams at dinner about a year and a half ago now. What did Wendy say, Lauren? >> She feels like everything she's going through right now is God getting her back for all of the the things that she said in, you know, about people. >> Yes. But I guess at the same time to hear that though at the same time >> it's easier for you to say that 200 m up but the other people who are still on the come up they feel hey this is what I have to do to get to that number. >> I don't know about that number you just quoted. >> I'm just saying yeah that's too low cuz this list alone say 27 and that came after the 200. That was just saying no. Actually, this was before. >> Well, we found out about it after. So, I'm adding both. >> Forget all of that. None of this at least 250 M. >> But then we don't know about real estate. We don't know about crystals. >> We don't know about Y'all know about that. >> No, we don't know your numbers. We don't know. >> No, no, you don't. >> Yeah. So, I'm just saying, >> you know, life is good. God, >> maybe next billionaires next. >> By the way, pick up Little John's book. It'll be out in stores October. It's called Our Only Shout So You Can Hear Me Black Privilege Publishing, Simon Schustster. Go pick that up. Go pick up two chains book, the voice of my head is God. Go pick up our senior hall's book, his memoir. Uh, and go pick up Jess Larry to death we parent. All of those came out via black privilege publishing this year. Sing and Shust. But back to what you said. >> I didn't even add the book footprint closer you were to a B. >> Stop. Stop. That stuff is Stop. You're You're missing the point. That stuff what you're talking about, Alex, is >> you don't get to that unless you pivot. And that's what I'm trying to explain to people. There's things that guys like myself, >> Joe Buddton have already done. What did Jay-Z say? I went through that. So hopefully you don't have to go through that. >> Yeah. >> I'm telling these guys where they should pivot, where they should grow, where they should evolve now. Because I'm telling you, when you're in this space as a hip-hop media personality, you look up and you think you can go further, but that ceiling is made of glass. So you see the sky and you're like, "Let me keep going." But then you just hit your head, you're like, "Damn, what the fuck?" hit. Hey, what the [ __ ] When all you got just just pivot in order to break break the glass ceiling. And but when I say pivot, I mean don't be afraid to grow up. Understand that what you're doing is not sustainable. Do you want to go viral or do you want to have a voice that actually has value? There's a difference. >> Jessala, you hit the ceiling and then you pivoted. They're still trying to get to the ceiling and you're telling them, "Hey, pivot." Now, >> here's the thing. I never hit a ceiling professionally. I hit a ceiling personally as a man. As a man, I didn't feel like I was moving. >> They want to get their numbers up. They want to get their money up first and then they want to pivot. But a lot of people follow your track record. They follow track record. >> Listen to me. I'm telling you that >> in order to get to that, you have to grow as a human. >> I promise you, man. That [ __ ] that I'm watching these people online, they're robots. They're like AI. Like they're not even real individuals. They're just doing and saying things because they want to get numbers and they want to get clicks and they want to get engagement. If you say to me, I'm only saying this because this is what I want to acquire, you're a cornball. >> I I agree with you, but it's easier to say it from your position now. Because you weren't doing this back then when you were saying the stuff that they're saying. >> By the way, I didn't even know I could get to this. I'm just telling you that as a man, >> I needed to make a change. Personally, me, I wasn't happy with the way that I was moving. It wasn't It wasn't no career issue. It wasn't no personal issue. It was what was going on with me internally. >> That [ __ ] that Wendy Williams said to us at dinner is exactly where my energy was. I'm like, nah, this ain't I'm not n I can't I'm not I'm not moving like this. By the way, I can point to other people in the culture I'm wa I've watched that happen with. Look at Jason Lee. Now Jason won't admit that he's a little he's still messier. He's still messier than I did than me. Okay. But you can't sit here and act like you ain't see Jason Lee pivot. >> Yeah. >> My man is a freak. He's the vice mayor of [ __ ] Stockton, California right now. >> EVEN BUTTON >> AS WELL AS BUT WHAT? >> YEAH. HE'S PIVOTED. YEAH. >> Do you know I got the first time me and Button ever was on air together? >> Oh god. you like >> 39 in Columbia, South Carolina. >> What y'all talking about? >> It was so good. This when he was allegedly he was beefing with Gain >> from Gunit. This when G was Gun >> and he walked in the radio station with a Gunit hat on. >> And so I'm talking to him and he's talking to me about Gunit. I'm like, do you you ain't here talking about gang, but you got a gunnit hat on? And when I I'm not all I'm saying is there was gay slurs. >> It was fun, man. Those were >> Yeah, I know. >> But see, but then could be free when I could be free. >> OH MY GOD. NOT GAY SLURS cuz people were actually gay. You know how we used to use >> I didn't use it. Okay. >> Or whatever. >> It don't matter. >> That was That was literally 20 >> How many years ago, man? That was like 0203. >> Let [ __ ] grow up. Grow up. >> Listen, by the way, I don't I'm with you. People got to grow up on their own time. But I'm going to tell you exactly the moves I made personally, internally to get to where I am now. But you know, that's what that's what gets you there. >> Like you said, I have that audio. It somebody it probably be really hard to find that anywhere else. Well, us right now, a lot of the things we doing, it's it's here and it's going to be it's going to be on the internet forever. Like you going to have to really go out your way. That's what I'm saying. Like we really don't have the threshold to make a lot of the same mistakes if you really trying to be in it for a long time. Not just a good time. >> Like cuz you can position yourself somewhere where you can't get out of it. >> You can position yourself somewhere where you can't get out of it. If all you want to do is go viral and not have a voice that has value. That's why I be on your little ball head all the time. >> You and I want you to be It's okay to give a It's okay. Breathe. You're not baldheaded >> anymore. But >> it's okay to be nice. >> I be I point to certain people and I be like, Lauren, you don't want to be like that. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? Like, like you want to have actual value and she got it. >> You know what I mean? Like there's things that have happened to you over the past couple of years that have g given you a lot of value. I think the puppy trial gave you a lot of value. You know what I mean? And and I think the things that you choose to report about, even how you go about it when you're picking up the phone, calling sources, you know what I mean? Like that gives you a lot of value. and I want you to stay there. You want to have a voice that has value. You don't want to be just one of these [ __ ] just constantly trying to go viral. >> But the couple time when you have to mess when you mess up in front of the world and you see and feel that that's why I'm saying like I it's no you can't do you can only do but so much like you got to really be tight right now >> and you got to admit when you're wrong. You know how many times I've given myself donkey the other day? You know how many times I had to get on the air and apologize to somebody if I got if I got something wrong or if I feel like I harmed somebody in some way. There's nothing wrong with that. Pay attention to those kind of people. Pay attention to the personalities who can't even admit when they're wrong. >> Who can't admit when they wrong. Who can't just be like, "Yo, I was wrong." You know what I mean? If you continuing to make excuses when you just completely got it wrong. Yeah. >> How can we trust you? We already know we can't trust you anyway, but now we know we can't trust you. >> What else we got? Taylor Gang. >> Great combo. >> I mean, how long have we done? >> Oh, Alex got to go. All right. Let's do some idiots. I'm I'm good. I'm good. I pushed I pushed my mean. We good. >> Oh, you did? Okay. >> You want more or >> Well, I mean, we can do some asking idiots. I mean, I can Yeah, let's pay a bill. >> Taylor wants to go. >> Well, you got I have a baby. >> What else you got? You got more topics. >> She got a kid. >> I do though, but I don't >> asking idiots. >> I know, but I'm going say I do have another one, but I don't know if I feel like maybe Andrew would say more stuff. >> Which one? >> The guy that wants to be a woman now transitioning going to WBA. >> Oh, I've been seeing that a lot. Why you said Andrew would >> I just know you have a good comment or is it >> I don't I'mma be this whole I think this [ __ ] is ridiculous. I don't know why this is becoming a story again and I cannot believe that people are falling for tricks like this right before the midterm elections. >> That's what >> like this is so dumb for Democrats to even be going back down this road having this conversation. And I hate when they conflate two things because guess what? I don't know why Sophia Cunningham was asked this question, but if she's asked, um, should biological men play in the WNBA? The answer should be no. >> That should be the answer from everybody. Should biological people that were born men play in the WNBA? No. Full stop. Any other thing? There is no Whoa. So, are you saying transgenders don't have a right to MAN, SHUT THE [ __ ] UP. I AIN'T SAYING nothing like that. You ask me a specific question. Do transgenders belong in the WNBA if you're born a biological man. No. Okay. >> What if they ask you the second question first? >> What's the second question? >> Do you feel like transgender women have a place in the NBA? >> WHAT THE [ __ ] THAT GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? I JUST DROPPED 20 [ __ ] POINTS AND 10 REBOUNDS. WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME THIS [ __ ] THERE'S NO TRANSGENDER. Do you think transgender >> women >> women should have a Do you think transgender do transgender women have a place in the NBA? >> I would say why are you asking me this? >> Cuz I want to know the why. I want to know why you give a [ __ ] Why are you asking me this question? >> Because I'm This is what they would say. Because I'm a person who believes that all people should matter. And if a person identifies as something, we're in America. They should >> What that got to do with the WNBA? >> Because we're >> I agree with you. I believe all people should matter, too. But what that got to do with the WNBA? >> They're women. >> No, they don't. >> Yeah, it's like the bathroom argument sometimes. >> Identifying as a woman. Cool. You got all the right to do that. This is a free country, but you shouldn't be allowed to play in the WNBA. >> I got a really good video after this. >> Oh god. What is it? >> What is it? Can I pay the bills? Taylor going to >> and do some asking idiot >> here. >> All right, let's pay some bills. Make that big Taylor. You know, unk eyes old to the quint. August is the perfect time to hit reset before the autumn rush begins. And honestly, I can't think of a better place to start than my closet. That's why I love shopping at Quinc. Quinc is all about fewer, better pieces. Their clothes are made with premium materials built to last and designed to become the ones you reach for day after day. Quinc specializes in everyday staples that work harder, like their ultra soft organic cotton tees and premium Mongolian cashmere sweaters. 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No, no, no, no, no. It's not funny. Like, it's not like what y'all think. Okay, ready? >> This is a queer fat club. Um, >> I'm queer and fat. >> Okay, thank you for joining. We're just um introducing ourselves at the moment. >> Okay. >> Do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself, Joe? >> Yeah. Uh, my name is Joe. I go by he they and uh I identify as 275 lbs. >> Okay. Okay. Um >> I feel like Jay is kind of making fun of me though. I know it's kind of a shock. I know it's kind of a new thing. I'm >> I'm just you know >> dude what? >> I said I apologize. >> Oh no, you're good. >> Um are you comfortable leaving the group at the moment? >> Why? Why? >> I'm I'm not understanding why you're joining the group. >> This is the queer and fat group now. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what I came here for. >> Okay. Um, and you said you identify as fat. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, this is just for fatbodied people. >> Yeah, I understand. I I identify as a fat-bodied person. >> I'm not understanding where you're coming from. >> Are you guys comfortable with me here? I mean, I'm pretty chill on my end. >> I'm not comfortable. No. >> Can we take like a vote? >> I'm going to ask. >> That's true though. Why can't he be there? That's how I felt about Rachel Doz. >> You wanted her to be with us. Yeah, that's two that's two different situations. Don't do that. >> Why not? Yeah, why not? >> Why not? >> Because she's trying to be It's basically blackface. Hello. Let's think about history. >> She identifies as a a woman of color. >> She's not though. She could Why can't she come in as her own self, not being a black person? >> Drake identifies as a black man and you love saying that he not. >> He's an African Canadian. >> You need to learn how to be more inclusive, Taylor. >> Yeah. Can we do some masking? >> Just allow someone to dress like us. >> No, but she's saying that they're black, >> but she's living the lifestyle. >> You let men do it with your gender. >> Huh? >> You let men do it with your gender. >> Tell her don't >> don't. You are a mother. >> You let men do it with your gender. >> You are a mother. You have better things to do. >> I'm just asking. You let men do it with your gender. Why can't somebody do it with your race? >> Yep. >> You let men do a lot of things. Okay. We let you rock. Taylor continue. >> Do some asking idiots. Taylor gang. Taylor gang gang. >> He not wrong though. >> By the way, I didn't say >> about him letting men do things to him. >> Shout out to Brandy too. Brandy, I think you did a good job with the different world theme song. I think the problem is everybody comparing it to the Artha one, >> but each each time but each each one cuz like the Artha one is so different than the Boys and Men one. Like it's supposed to be like >> That's what I'm saying. You shouldn't be comparing none of them >> of it. Yeah. >> It's new energy. It's a whole new reboot. We don't even know what this show going to be about for real. like let them cook. >> Dwayne Wade and Whitley's daughter goes to Hillman and she's trying to make her own pathway, but she's living in their shadow and she's rebellious. So, there'll be some twisting. >> I love this. I The reason I love stuff like this is because I feel like there's so many people from our our era, not y'all cuz y'all babies, but our era that did not get they just do. I don't I still don't feel like the Kadim Hardes, the Jasmine Gods of the world got their just do from from different way. That was the number two show in the world. M >> Cosby Show was number one. >> Different World was a spin-off of Cosby Show >> and it was the number two show in the world. Cosby Show was the number one show in the world. Different World was the number >> I think we don't know that cuz it was so long ago for us. >> But people knew Cosby show. >> I mean people talk about >> Everybody know Different World. >> But I don't know if we talk about it like that. >> Yo, hold on. I never heard um like my sister loved that show. I haven't heard people not from America know about >> Different World. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Like the way they talk about uh >> What about Martin? >> They'll talk about like Martin Friends. >> Yeah. They'll know Martin. They'll know Fresh Prince. I haven't heard anybody say Different World. >> I think so. >> Hold on. >> I'mma look Let me look this up. Episode of Different World. >> They'll know Jersey Shore for some reason. Everybody knows Jersey. hurt by no Paulie and um >> Snookie. >> I don't think y'all remember how many people was watching TV back in the 90s. >> No, cuz it felt like it was just you in your house until we got Twitter in like MySpace. >> Yeah, I know. >> Um >> What are you looking for? >> Hold on. The >> I don't know if I want it in millions. I don't want percentage. >> I don't know if it was the number two show in the world, bro. It was >> maybe in America. >> Okay. You know what? I said the world. You're right. America. In America. In America. Because Cosby was number one. >> America. >> All right. Check this out. 1988. The season 2 premiere of Different World. How many think How many people you think watched it? The season 2 premiere. >> 1988. >> 20 million. >> How much? >> 20 million. >> What' you think? >> I think less. Maybe three. >> What' you think? H. Uh, I'm going to go 10. >> 34.3 million viewers. >> Whoa. >> Season 3 premiere 1989. How many How many How many you think watched the show? >> 75 million. >> Season 3 premiere 1989. How much you think? >> No, I'm going say 50. >> I know, right? No, I'm going say >> No, I'm going say 80. >> 36.6. >> Okay. >> My point is it was only three channels, guys. Maybe four. Fox might have just been around at the time. >> There was nothing else to do. >> There was no internet. >> Like everybody that was the LA that that what was it called it? Monoculture. That was the like the last era of monoculture where everybody would gather around to watch one thing >> and you didn't get no rerun. >> How much how much was it? >> Still surprised America's makeup that you get number seven. >> That's what I'm surprised. >> It came on right after Cosby show. >> Yeah. >> I don't even remember that. What? Like that was way before >> the biggest documented audience for an episode of Different World. 36.6 million. >> Watching TV. I remember it was only about like a 100 channels then. >> I remember a certain amount of channels on cable. >> Netflix ain't bringing back Different World for no reason, bro. >> That's a monster. >> Netflix trying to bring back everything. >> Well, good. Thank you. God bless Netflix. Keep on doing it. Okay. Let's continue to do more content together. All right. Let's do some asking idiots. What racial stereotype from any race would you like to have? >> Uh, >> I got them all cuz I'm black. >> Hey, we got the best >> from like another race like white like they say like white people smell like wet dog or >> god damn. >> I would say um Asian like the karate [ __ ] >> Why you laughing? >> Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Say that again. Say that again. Say it again. >> Why you laughing? What's she getting at? >> I don't want people to think I DON'T KARATE. WHY YOU LAUGHING about that? See that? That's not bad. What's wrong with that? >> That was great. No, that's awesome though. That's awesome. That's fine. >> You getting too many of these. >> What racial stereotype from any all the ones I would want from black people. >> Um I would like the >> another race >> Jewish stereotype where they feel that they all work together. >> Unity and group operation. Oh, I like that. I like that. >> I like that. >> I like that. Yeah. You now that I think about it. Yeah. My other Yeah. My other stereotypes I would take from Jewish people. >> I knew that was going to be >> Absolutely. >> You got all that money. >> It don't have nothing to do with money, girl. >> Still working together. >> They practice union and group operation. They pull their resources. Okay. Like I I like I like how Jewish people get down. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know about I haven't studied other races enough to know. But Jewish people, I like how they get down. Okay. When it comes to >> business and how they move amongst each other. >> Don't know what to tell you. That wouldn't be a bad stereotype for us to have. Gay, >> it would be a good Okay. >> No, I'm not against >> cuz you know what they say about us. All we do is get online and hate on each other all day, every day. Okay. All we do is >> Why do us as black people always say the other races don't do that? White people definitely do be hating on each other too though. Like why >> I don't give a [ __ ] what THE OTHER RACES DO WE DO. >> BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'm saying though? People like we always compare ourselves like they're not We don't know what's in their business like that. Like >> we don't know what's on white Twitter. Exactly. >> By the way, you know why? Cuz they probably shut the [ __ ] up and don't go at each other publicly. >> No, no, no. When I used to be in my old job, their little algorithms I used to be like, "What is that? What?" Like, even like down the shows that they're watching, they be talking about be like, "What is this?" Everybody's talking about it where not over here. They have their own little thing. >> Yeah. >> Anyways, but whatever, >> man. Y'all [ __ ] just be hating on each other. >> I don't know what to tell you. It's like is is AI. But no, you're right. I mean, other other cultures do do it as well, >> right? We act like I don't like that. >> But they do it. I'm tell But it's by >> trying to Twitter. >> It's by design. That's what I want y'all to understand. That's why I keep telling y'all to read this book called Technofudalism. What killed capitalism. They literally monetize our emotions. >> Who wrote it? What's What's >> It's I can't uh I can't even pronounce his name. I was texting with him, too, cuz I want to get him on Breakfast Club. Uh >> what's it called? That's probably a long ass text thread. >> Technofutilism will kill capitalism. >> Paragraphs, don't y'all. >> No, no, we just only text a couple times. Um Sutan Hassan Pah actually uh connected me with him. >> Yeah. Uh what's my guy's name? Pull it up. I want to say I can't remember his name right now, but um they monetize our emotions. >> The cloud capital is conflict every day. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] get online and be arguing about [ __ ] You think this [ __ ] is by design? >> Giannis verakus. >> I think you pronounced it right. Taylor black. She can read [ __ ] >> You don't even know how to pronounce it. >> Shut up. >> You don't even know how to pronounce it. I know she pronounced RIGHT. GIANNIS I THINK. YEAH. GIANNIS. I think she pronounced >> I feel like he just threw a stereotype on you. >> I >> That's fine. >> Because he was so surprised you pronounced something right. >> Yeah. I don't know why you act like you don't think I could read. >> I don't know WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. We go Can we go to another national go read techn projecting cuz he >> I don't know what Lauren just did. I don't know why Lauren even did that. >> I'll be gaslighting. >> I CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT. Y'ALL KNOW I COULDN'T. I CAN'T. >> YOU KNOW WHY? YOU KNOW I be gaslighting. >> Giannis, >> what do you want me to do? >> I want to do another asking. >> Oh, I thought you were trying to lick me thing. Okay, >> I read the book. Y'all need to >> um scroll up taps. You already got >> Do you have time to read all these books for fun >> at home? It's $160 in a week at home. >> You got four daughters. You have a wife. You got 50,000 businesses >> and he's rich. He has time to >> stop saying that. >> Like I honestly when you be like, "Yeah, I just read this book when when you have other people handling stuff you have." >> And how long do y'all think it takes to read a book? You know what y'all need to do? go on Audible and look how long a book is, right? Like so that technofudalism book might be like seven hours, eight hours on Audible if you're listening to it. >> So then you dedicate the a lot of time a day. >> You sit down and read a couple hours >> about your book. I I got to get like that. >> What are you doing when you uh go home? Like >> nothing. >> That's when >> Don't do that. She is working from work from work to home like work and job. I'm from work to work and then I sleep and then I get up and I do it all over again. On the weekends, I might take a little bit of time for personal joy. >> Oh, okay. Well, >> but if we have people coming in, I'll try to like start early enough like like if we like a month out from an author, I'll try to get through as much as I can. >> But Lord, I don't know how he has the he's you must be really disciplined in real life. >> And I read a lot of the same books. Like I'm reading Seed of the Soul by Gary Zukov again. And what made me want to read it again is because I was listening to uh Kiki and Oprah >> her podcast and I was like yeah I want to read G because I I've read it like three, four, five times in my life. I was like you know what that's a good reread and >> but you're reading that in the back of your car service. >> Exactly. >> So you got to get to the car >> you got to get you got to get to the car service level. >> Marco Polo on the plane at home instead of scrolling all [ __ ] day. >> Pick up a book. >> Do you drive in or you take the train? I drive. >> Check your screen, huh? How How long you been on your phone? >> My screen time is crazy, Charlene, because I I need to know what's happening. >> I got to find time. >> It's been stuff happening here. I've been screenshotting to show you. >> She's trying Exactly, though. She's >> There's a lot happening right now with you literally online. I'm getting alerts right now. >> What? >> Nothing crazy. I would have stopped episode and told you. But just, you know, the regular the usual suspects. >> There's nothing crazy in my life. Okay. >> I I know you have cars and book time. >> I've been through it all. There's nothing online a [ __ ] can say about me that's like, "Oh my god, this is crazy. I got to stop everything I'm doing." >> Like, who gives a [ __ ] >> I can't stop. I really, who >> I said if it was crazy, I would have stopped you. None of it is crazy. But you see, I these are all news. These are news alerts. >> Exactly. Now, now you can't. >> No, I'm just saying what it is. >> Babe, can you >> They done did like five post. >> You know what's crazy? >> I wait for the day that I get alerts. >> Your name. Yeah. Like that's a good thing. Don't you upload to YouTube? >> Yeah, but not like >> this is great. >> You you could you'll talk. >> Yeah, I don't even know how to do it. >> Okay. Marco Polo 2293 says, "Out of your nieces, who's made you the most proud? Charlotte, Lauren, Nyla, Taylor, etc." >> No, they're asking you Charlotte. Remember how you yell at me about not reading Charlotte? Then they name me, Nyla, Taylor. Who are all your nieces? >> I mean, none of them cuz they ain't married yet. When they get [ __ ] married, then I'll be proud. >> Damn. >> Taylor's Taylor's going to be the first. >> Damn. >> It should be Nyla. >> Lauren going to be outside till >> So marriage is always >> No, I'm not. Lauren's not outside now. >> Anything that matters. >> And if I am outside, I don't want my man. >> Why do you care about marriage so much? >> Because he knows how stupid he was until he got >> more than anything else. That professional [ __ ] y'all be doing. Y'all think that professional [ __ ] is like that's cool, but like the real things in life, there's nothing more important to you than there's nothing more important to you than Lil P. >> No, absolutely. But I'm saying though, >> you don't give a [ __ ] about your dog no more. >> Think about that. You used to call that your child. >> You don't give a [ __ ] >> YOU HAVEN'T YOU HAVEN'T BROUGHT HIM TO WORK IN A WHILE. BUT why though? >> The dog be chasing little piece. She be like, "Get the [ __ ] out of here. >> At work often, it's like I don't give a [ __ ] about I don't even know what that dog's eating. We ain't even seen pictures of that dog." >> Yes, you have. Anyways, you forgot what you were going to say. >> No, I don't understand why like it's to me it's Yeah, the title's cool, but it's about building with someone. Like, so that's what I'm saying. Like, regardless of a marriage though, it's about building with someone. So, why you put so much pressure on the title? >> No, you need a title. >> Okay. How long have you been trying to get a title at Iheart? >> You want your title? >> Do that. >> You want your title? >> I don't want no title at Iheart. >> AH, YOU'RE A LIAR. You want that title. >> No, I don't. >> Yes, you do. >> I really don't. Yes, you do. >> I want to build my own empire. So, I'm good. And be boss. >> Yeah. Title. >> But it's cool though cuz you want to be able to call your girl something. >> Bae boo. My lady. My wife. That's my wife. That's the mother of my child. >> How's that anyway though? You know what I mean? Like I'm trying to No, >> no. For real. Are you one of them freethinkers that are like I don't need marriage. We don't like we don't even need paperwork. You know what's funny? I meant I I grew to be like that though. >> She's just >> You know why? No. No. You know why I'm saying that though? Because >> is that her wedding and jagged edges playing? >> I'm going to be crying, >> balling. >> I'm not I'm going to have my back. Come on. She going to be balling. Definitely doing better. >> Doing the bouquet of [ __ ] what we do is wrong. She going to be >> to be honest. Can I put that right over >> because we didn't do it traditionally is why I'm like we're building something regardless though. Like so that's why I'm saying the title to me is >> it's cool but age. >> I don't know who's made me the most proud. I don't think about stuff like that. All of them make me proud. >> They do. All y'all do make me proud in different ways. >> They do. I've watched all of y'all grow up so much. I mean, Taylor and Nyla, cuz I've seen them longer, but like, you know, it's it's weird. I've watched I when Nyla first came to interview for her internship, I went and introduced myself. Mhm. >> Like, so it's just like to watch people just grow and not give up on their dreams and like be doing what they want to do, that [ __ ] is dope. You know what I mean? To watch Taylor grow and, you know, go from being a producer to now being the head of imaging and like creating the sound of Breakfast Club and, you know, being a lonely ass girl searching for a man to now have a guy and a family. That [ __ ] is dope to me. You know what I mean? >> That girl is crazy. I was never lonely. what you >> right do not do that >> even watching Lauren's journey to see Lauren come from TMZ and and not even to really understand how much she was grinding to even be here but to hear the story and you know see what she put in and to see what she is now that [ __ ] is dope like >> okay >> you could do that KEEP IT RIGHT THERE DON'T MAKE IT THING DON'T MAKE IT A thing it's dope like I she don't have nothing else except the professional [ __ ] Like I can't say that I can't say ANYTHING LIKE SHE GOT I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO LIE. I was looking at you cuz I'm like there got to be signs of A STROKE. >> I JUST I just don't have anything. I don't can't be like oh she got married. I can't do that. I can't do none of that. Like you know um Mr. Derek Jr. says why do you think humans can't get along social media? >> Humans can get along. >> No we can't. Yes. >> Way before social media. What do you mean >> and resources? because >> resources are not evenly distributed uh on this planet and never have been. There's always somebody who's going to always have more and that is going to always cause dysfunction. That is going to always cause chaos. That is going to always cause conflict. >> That's just the way that it is. If we moved with more reverence, that's so crazy cuz that's what the uh I just read in Seed of the Soul. Uh they got a chapter called reverence and they was like, "Yo, we have to start having more reverence for each other as people." Because when you just have reverence for a person, you're going to move differently. You're going to treat them the way you would like to be treated. >> Like like a regard for a person, >> high regard for a person. You know what I'm saying? Like that you you have to have that for other individuals in order for you to want to actually see a person um have what you have essentially. So you know, uh Adrian. Pledo 594. How do you rebuild trust in a relationship when I got caught cheating? I still love him. That's a question for the ladies, man. How does a man rebuild trust? >> First of all, she probably was cheating back. >> Oh, she >> Yeah, she probably was cheating back. So, that's number one. Let's just say that. >> Why? What? How do you And then, >> wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? What are you talking about? >> And then secondly, >> so she did him wrong and you're saying, "Oh, he must have [ __ ] up." >> Yeah. Um, >> all right. That's No. I think no matter man or woman, it's just about the action. If they are willing to stick around and see what your action execution is after, it's all about that. And you have to be honest and own up to what you did. Like because if you get caught, normally a person knows enough because they're catching you. Don't talk around. Talk directly to what you did. I did it. Here's what happened. Because I think cheating builds like deeper issues where you're trying to figure out like why. Like a person always wants to know the why. even if there's no why. So, if you're like sending somebody on like a mental spin when they're already spinning, it just makes things worse. >> That's how you dealt with it. >> When I cheated in my past relationship, >> I was so gone at that point. I I it was just like >> So, you didn't try to work things out? >> I mean, we were still together, but it was I was reacting to something. I didn't just go cheat. I cheated back. >> Oh, that's why you think for me back. >> Yeah. So for me in my past relationship it was like yeah I got caught but like you did too. So what we going to do? >> I think >> and that wasn't good though. It wasn't good. Huh? >> It's a wrap up. >> No, you can get caught cheating and Yeah, that's not true. All men a lot of men that >> you would you've never been cheated on. I promise you stay with a person. >> No, I I didn't stay. >> But why though? Why didn't you work it out? Because the loyalty is done. Like, >> but why? Why is it? >> What you mean? Because she cheated. >> But why is it? No, I'm asking that because women can forgive men of cheating. So, I'm asking why is it like why? >> Next question. >> No, for real. How do you rebuild trust, Taylor? >> Um, >> when you got caught cheating, how did you rebuild? >> I got though, I'm different though cuz if I'm cheating, then I really don't want the relationship. That's how that's what I'm saying. That's how I was. >> If a man cheated on me, >> um, for me, so look, I would say that I wouldn't I I would never go back to them. Like I'm men cheated and I pepper- sprayed one and also the other one I left. So >> that's nice. Pepper spraying is nice. >> It It is nice cuz I >> She's classy. >> Yeah. But stupid. But um it depends if the girl wants you back. Honestly, if the girl don't want you back, then you can't rebuild the trust first. I don't know the situation. >> But if she does like you see still care, I would say then he has to be consistent like overly communicate where he's at, where like all that. So that's a >> next question. Women cheat different. >> Uh there's no more you guys. >> Yeah, I do. >> Women cheat different. >> Yeah, Charlotte, wrap it up. >> Wait, hold on. No, wrap it up. >> Why you saying you cheating? They're saying men can be emotionally unconnected or something something. So that's where to go to. >> Yeah. A man cheating don't mean nothing. Yes. >> How do y'all think that? It's emotion that comes from. >> It's really not. >> None. It's really not. >> You just Who just said though that >> I'm not I'm not I'm not saying that men can't grow to like somebody else or love somebody else. >> No, but yes, they can. But most of the time emotion of why you're cheating. If you vow to be loyal to this person, that's an emotion you going like if >> and you know as a woman. Well, have you ever dealt with someone? Have you ever been the person that's like someone's in a relationship and you're dealing with them? Have you ever has that ever happened to you? >> I've been the person that was dealing with someone and that was in a situation in a relationship and you know that that is not true. It depends on that what where they are in that relationship. You can cheat and catch feelings and do all these things. I'm not trying to hear that. So, if you make a decision to open yourself up to even potentially that happen in a relationship, >> to me, it's like that is like the ultimate like uh-uh, no. >> I think that men don't be wanting anything except for to get their dick sucked sometime. And I don't think that it has anything to do with the woman whatsoever. I think that men sometimes look at women as an escape. And when we're trying to escape whatever we may be dealing with, sometimes it's alcohol, sometimes it's drugs, most of the time it's women. And that's just the reality of the situation. >> Why? >> And it has nothing to do with the woman that we love and we're with. >> Just different. >> It we just we just got our dick sucked real quick. It's different for women. >> Be the same for a man that just lick my click real quick. >> I don't believe women are built like that like that. >> I just don't You said the word. >> I know. I don't move. She She's even surprised that you said that. Y'all don't move like that. I don't believe women are built like that. I just don't. I could be wrong. I just >> literally we're just big enough Mandy and Weezy. >> Like y'all don't think we can, but that's that's honest. That's like one of our biggest advantages is the fact that you guys don't think we're capable of it. So then we make you feel like you're more than what you are. And we know you not. You said, "How did I know between the two men?" They never were that. I knew that. >> That's how y'all be cheating different. Y'all do all this extra stuff. >> Too much emotion. All this extra brains. Y'all have >> like I said with our brain we cheat >> we understand y'all don't have no metacognition though a lot of times >> like me and you can't think about your thinking >> like I can think about my thinking >> I can think about my thinking now do I do I always want to hold myself accountable for what I realize when I think about my thinking uh exactly depending on the day >> metacognition lets me know that if just cuz I'm with another woman I that means it's it don't mean anything now now now now can you have feelings for another woman. Yes. But that don't mean I'm about to leave and you know be with this person and and and leave my happy home. Have I seen other men that happened to? Yes. But you know what I really attribute that to? That really was who that person was supposed to be with. >> Like if you've been with a woman for a long time and then you get with another woman and you know you've been with that woman for you you end up being with that woman for 25 30 years. That's the woman you were supposed to be with. I got plenty OG's in my life. I've seen that happen too. They were married for 25 years. out with another woman was with their woman for >> cuz you don't be knowing what be going on in the marriages, you don't be knowing none of that circumstance. But if you were with a good woman and you're supposed to be so happy and all that and you still out here cheating. >> Yeah. >> Y'all, it's something with y'all. Like we don't do that. Like if we are happy and we are good, we're not just out here looking cheap. >> So you just you just prove my point. I say y'all cheat differently. >> But when we do go cheat, we can be just as vile and as >> I'm not saying you can't do that, but y I don't different. >> I think women can. It's not not all women. If they from Florida, they care. >> Damn. Damn, Mandy and Weezy. No, no, no, no. Stop it. That's all people from Florida. >> Shout out to Big Whezy getting married. That's another wedding I can't look forward to go to. Can't wait to go to Weezy wedding. >> The same way I know. Congratulations. Um, but the same way that >> Damn it. I had it. It's all right. [ __ ] Sorry. No, no, no. I do remember. >> I knew you was about to say this. >> No, no, no. the same way how y'all think that we're more emotional. Like I don't think y'all understand. >> No, no, no. I don't think that. >> Okay. So, do you think that >> I think men are way more emotional. >> Okay. Okay. I was about to say like I don't understand that aspect of >> and podcast mics and prove that for us all. Okay. 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