Dr. Anand Ranganathan’s Hard-Hitting Questions for Sadhguru on Science & Spirituality

I would like to keep this a political. So, my first question concerns Prime Minister Modi. >> That's as a political as it can get. >> Why do we ask questions? >> A question uh is a tool to dig deeper and you are in a privileged position that you can't be wrong because the question can't be wrong. You're like a newspaper. >> Whose resignation are you asking for? >> Let me be blunt. You are an outlier. There is only one Sadhguru. So, you are an issue here. >> I am. >> In a in a mental institution, only the doctor is sick. >> In the last 3 years, answers are on our fingertips, not just knowledge through AI. What's the point of an exam? >> Then why are you asking so many questions? >> The point I was making was isn't intellect also overrated? >> Let's separate intelligence and intellect. >> Right. >> Intellect is a data-driven process. Intelligence is simply perception-driven. >> Yeah. >> Uh Correct. Intellectual is a kind of an abuse in today's parlance. >> edit this part? He's a professor. >> that I see intelligence as a tool for survival. >> For survival, you don't need all this intellect. The worms and the insects and the birds survive without any fuss. This an evolutionary lapse that intelligence and awareness developed. Perception did not develop. But, if you're willing, you can develop your perception. >> You have this wonderful perception of our yogis, of our ancestors. >> They didn't invent any of the things that you're living in. Not true. Who gave you the zero? >> Right. >> You think math happened in a university? No. It happened among the sages. I want you to just do your calculations with a Roman numerical. Please try. >> Good evening, friends. It's uh not just a pleasure, but an express honor to be sharing the stage with Sadhguru Ji, and um uh I would like to thank the organizers, uh the entire team, Kavitha Ji, especially Sadhguru Ji, um for not knowing that I'm always invited only once to any gathering. Um unless he writes another book. Um um No, but uh thank you so much. It's It's an absolute honor and an opportunity uh for me to um ask questions that I do not know the answers of, Sadhguru Ji, and I think that's that's very important. Uh not just for the amazing book uh that I have perused through, that you have written. Um It is not just an expression of um as the title suggests, Disappearing Faces. It is also an expression of um disappearing India. Disappearing world. And I where I come from, um there is always a dichotomy. Should we or should we not worry about things that disappear? So, I've I've kind of packed uh a lot of what we have for the next hour or so with questions that I myself do not know the answers of, and in expectations that I would be um uh you know, uh not taught but my hand held by you and taken to a place where I would get to know the answers. So thank you so much for this great opportunity. And of course I would like to keep this a political. So my first question concerns prime First question concerns Prime Minister Modi. No but seriously >> a political as it can get. >> I haven't even come to Rahul Gandhi yet. I was wondering about this Sadhguru ji when I was coming here. That people listen to Prime Minister Modi and all politicians in fact not just him. Because they want to know what is in his mind. In fact sometimes quite literally so his monkey bath. We want to know what what does he stand for his policies what is going on what is sticking inside. And people want to or people listen to you to want to know what is in their minds. And I thought this was very interesting. And I think that set me thinking. Are you ever burdened by the expectations of people wanting to know what is in their minds through you. In other words, they have set you out as a medium to communicate with whosoever it may be but they want to learn more about themselves as opposed to hearing a politician and wanting to know more about him. Does that ever burden you? >> Why would what is in somebody else's mind burden me? Why would it? It's not scientific, Anand. What is in my mind should burden me? What is in their mind, why will it burden me? And I'm an empty space. So, I don't know what is burden. So, people ask questions because you repeatedly twice you said you'll ask questions for which you don't know answers. Isn't that the point of a question? Question is a tool to don't dig a little deeper. Question is not a tool to show how smart I am. Question is to know something. We know something, we want to know something more. Question is a tool. Intellectually, if you go question is the only tool you have. What else do you have? Whether it's science or philosophy or whatever nonsense, question is the only tool you have, isn't it? Whether you articulate the question or not, is the question mark which is the basis of all science and spirituality, isn't it so? So, people ask questions because their perception is in bits and pieces. It's not homogeneous. They know life in pieces. Their parents said something, their priest said something, their pundit said something, their book said something, and society said a thousand things. Of course, social media said a million things. So, in all this, even if you have a billion pieces, still it's not a whole. It never becomes a whole. So, they ask questions out of the sense of incompleteness. Because human beings are like a collage of things. How much ever pieces you add, it never becomes a full picture. Because nobody has found all the pieces. If you go by pieces, let's let's say the physical existence if you take it. You are a scientist, but there are physicists and others who delve into other aspects very deeply. Either you take men of science or men of God as they claim, neither men of science nor men of God know where this creation begins, where it ends, where the cosmos begins, where it ends. Nobody knows. So, how will you have all the pieces? There's simply no chance. But, it's like this is a childish affair going on which is considered religious or philosophical or ideological. This is I give you a a million piece jigsaw. You put seven things together and you say, "Wow, this is an elephant." It's a million piece jigsaw. You got only seven. With that, you don't come to a conclusion. So, questions are endlessly coming up. And it's an Indian trait to ask questions. Because we have you know 10,000 years of practice of asking questions. You know, any there are no commandments. They're only questions, debates endlessly. Even if the so-called divine entities come in front of you, he never gets to give you a commandment, only questions. Endless number of questions. We were cuz this is about this region. We were trekking in Nepal in towards Hilsa from Simikot, a spectacular terrain. Someone, I don't know if it's in our bus. There's a there's a bunch of Nepali guests here to their land that we have largely the Nepal, some parts of it is Tibet. So, uh there's a small guest house somebody built there. So, we were more than It's a small group of people, about 50 of us. So, we packed into that little building because uh we needed some shelter. In the evening, we're having one satsang. One Indian person who lives in the United States wants to ask a question. He starts asking a question. The question goes on and on for 8 minutes. There are nearly 25 26 nationalities there. Their eyeballs are rolling by then because they're trying to figure out what is the question. Then I said I stopped him and said, "Please don't get bewildered. This is an Indian question." We practiced 10,000 years of practice. We have asking all kinds of questions that nobody ever thought of in any part of the world. All kinds of questions. So, he's just doing that and I simplified the question to simple thing which was 8 minutes. Then when I talked about this questioning business in India, then one Chinese lady raised her hand and said, "What?" "Sadguru, I worked in United Nations for 27 years. Even there, only Indians asked questions." So, a question uh is a tool to dig deeper and you're in a privileged position that you can't be wrong because a question can't be wrong. Only an answer can be wrong, isn't it? So, look at the advantage you have. You're like a neat paper. You can't be wrong, you know. This >> Whose resignation are you asking for? But uh thank you for that. That was the correct answer. But uh I want to go a little bit deeper before we come to the book itself um cuz that I think that uh sparked a flurry of questions that I want to come to, but here, what is this maddening urge for a living species called humans to ask questions, to see and seek rationale in things? It's not there in E. coli. It's not there in many animals. For example, you see an eclipse and you go about your daily business. But humans saw an eclipse and they wondered, how did that happen? And it's very interesting that it it 2,000 years ago a Greek figured out that the distance between the Earth and the Moon and it's um kind of coordination with the the diameter of the the planet and the the moon itself and the placement of it is what results in eclipse. So, they've they rationalized a celestial event. Why do humans need to do that? Do they gain any evolutionary advantage compared to E. coli or a dog or a bull or a snake? Why do we ask questions? >> So, human beings ask questions because there is an intelligence for which they don't have an appropriate perception levels. The intelligence that they have, for which they don't have enough perception to accommodate that intelligence. According to the DNA scientists, they say that the difference between a human being and a chimpanzee in terms of DNA terms is only 1.23%. 1.23% is not a passing mark, isn't it? I'm asking you as a professor, so it's not a passing mark. So, only 1.23% is the difference between us and the chimpanzee physiologically. But in terms of intelligence and and awareness, we are worlds apart. So, we have an intelligence for which we don't have a stable enough platform. This is the basis of yogic science. How to create a stable enough platform so that your intelligence works seamlessly and never against you. When I say never against you, today it's become a fashion to say I'm stressed, I'm burnt out, I'm this and that. Whether you're stressed or you're anxious or you're depressed or whatever, any kind of unpleasantness, essentially it means your intelligence has turned against you. If you don't know how to use your two fingers and you start plucking your eyeballs, that looks ridiculous, but that's exactly what's happening. With your own thought and emotion, you poke yourself to death. Every day people are doing it. People are even going to a point, unfortunately, even to commit suicide. All right? Taking our own life. When I say taking our own life, it's not that somebody dies, everybody dies one day, every day somebody dies, that is not the real issue. The issue is the level of suffering which which leads you to that place where you go beyond your instinct of survival. What is most precious to every life, whether it's an ant or human being, is its life. To go beyond that threshold, you must reach such a level of suffering which is unbearable. But that suffering is essentially caused by your own intelligence. If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would never commit suicide. Nor would you be stressed. And you would be eco-friendly. Also, I'm saying. So, this is a problem. We have an intelligence for which we don't have stable enough base. What we could perceive if we had the perception, now is all turning into questions. Another aspect of this questioning is our evolution, human evolution, has reached a place. Our cerebral cortex has expanded to a point where See, suppose I put you in a 5 by 5 cage. You will feel horrible being imprisoned. Tomorrow, we will release you into a 10 by 10 cage. You will feel wonderful for 24 hours. Again, we'll imprison. Next day, we'll release you into 100 by 100 cage. You will feel great for a week, maybe. It doesn't matter where I set the boundary. Something within you does not like boundaries because there is something within you always longing to be boundless. But you have no means to get there. The only means that you have is your intelligence. Because your perception has not expanded to that level, you ask questions thinking it'll break a boundary. Not always it does break a boundary, but at least it scratches the boundary. >> That immediately brings me to two points, Sadhguru. One, uh when you talk about suffering being a cause for suicide, as you mentioned. Um and the other is about intelligence, our intelligence leading us to it. Uh the fact also is that everything that we see around us, the world around us, all the inventions, everything, most of them are not older than three or 400 years. So, remarkably on the evolutionary time scale, all the organisms were roughly leading their lives like they were supposed to. Um that itself is a contentious phrase that I've used. Um for about 90-95% of 13 million years of the existence of the universe. So, when you say intelligence, uh I think the exponential jump of intelligence that we believe separates us from, let's say, a chimpanzee, are the things that we believe are intelligent are only brought by a few amongst our fraternity in the last 2-300 years. Other than that, we've been very similar on the time scale. >> 2-300 years? >> Let's say 1,000 years, 2-2,000 years. >> No, much more. >> Uh I'm talking about electricity. I'm talking of, you know, all the inventions that we use currently. >> No, no. See, they're not the only most intelligent things. We learned to manage fire. It's a tremendously intelligent thing to do. We came up with a wheel. Not a small thing. We learned how to cook our food, not a small thing. But we also learned how to fight a war. A big thing, but unfortunate thing. >> Amongst ourselves. >> Uh but see, it's all among ourselves, the same species. There are some Nepalese, they may be Denisovans. Uh Uh, you know, there's a sister species. Some of them are a little bit just check your ears. If your ear is stuck to the face, that means you have a little bit of maybe a few percentage points of Denisovans. Uh. So, otherwise, they're all Homo sapiens, whether they're white, black, yellow, brown, whatever they are. All right? So, it's always among ourselves. Who else can we fight with? But, we're not fighting only among ourselves. We are also killing every other creature endlessly. That their their populations have seriously depleted. People, you know, recently I was somewhere in a ecological thing. Everybody's talking about fires in California, fires in Europe, in Greece, and whatever. So, see, every news channel is talking about, "Oh, 10 homes were burned." It's a terrible thing for the people whose homes were burned, I understand. I'm not trying to depreciate that. But, you're never thinking of trillions of organisms, insects, birds, animals burned because you have no sense of life. You have information. You have no life. That's why these faces are important. They have no information. They are just all life. They may look remote to you, but they're all life. They know their life very well. They may not know other technologies and stuff, but they know life. But, the important thing to understand, if you know life, you would know without all those species, we cannot live. Without us, they would flourish. This planet will flourish without you and me, I'm saying. But, without them, you cannot survive here. But, we are always thinking as if we are the be-all. And anyway, you are the expert, you must tell me when the human species came and what happened. They're saying some 150,000 years ago or a million years ago, whatever it is. But, we are a recent happening. But, because of our intelligence, our ability to use intelligence, and because of that we have the ability to use tools, we have become a dominant species. This dominance has come without necessary perception. If we perceive life as is, we would know these things. We don't need bits and pieces of scientific information. We would know by experience how life upon this planet is so homogeneous that our very bodies are over 60% microorganisms. We can't just imagine that we are something dropped from heaven kind of stuff. And the religions of the world have added to this rubbish and made it like God-given stuff that you all came somewhere. All the creatures came from the earth, you came from heaven. If you came from heaven, why don't you go? That's what all the other creatures are saying. Really. If you listen, every tree, every insect, every bird is saying, "If you guys came from heaven, why don't you, please, get there?" Because we are senseless species we have become. We have power, we have capabilities, we have possibilities, but we are a terrible possibility right now unless we change our tact, which is far away. All right. So, the important thing is questions and questions are arising in human mind because we've not figured anything fully. With all the scientific development that we have, we still do not know a single atom in its entirety. We know how to use it. We know how to fuse it. We know how to break it. We know how to make a bomb out of it. But, we don't know what it is yet. So, we have intelligence without the necessary perceptional match up. So, questions are losing all the time out of every pore of human body. >> Hence the question, uh we have the intelligence why haven't it why haven't we figured out the right way of using it? Isn't there a contradiction there? >> There is no contradiction. As I said See, >> Is is that Sorry to interrupt. Is that true that every invention >> taking Darwin's name. All right, let me say this. Darwin, I'm I'm dumbing it down to simplistic. Darwin said something like this. A goat could have become a giraffe over a million years' time. Evolution. A pig could have become an elephant over 5 or 10 million years' time. But, a monkey became a man rather too quickly. Yes. Too quickly. So, that is all this an avenue evolutionary lapse that intelligence and awareness developed, perception did not develop. But, if you're willing, you can develop your perception. The main USP of this civilization is that that this civilization is about enhancing your perception. Our sages and yogis and mystics sat with eyes closed. You think because they were idiots? They didn't go to the university. They didn't uh you know, build an industry. They didn't make money. They sat with eyes closed most of their lives because they're striving to enhance the perception because they know that's where the lapse is. >> So, Sadhguru ji, that is exactly the point. You have this wonderful perception of our yogis, of our ancestors. They didn't invent any of the things that you're living in. >> Not true. >> What did they invent? I mean, I talk of the modern gadgets, the modern instruments. >> gave you the zero? >> Right. >> Almost everything you have is because of the math. >> Yes. >> Who gave you the math? >> Uh I'm talking of a very >> You think math happened in a university? >> No. >> It happened among the sages. Only those who could see in their in their experience, in their perception, they saw that everything comes from nothing. And everything goes back to nothing. Only they could conceive something like shunya or a zero. Without of that, your math has grown. I want you to just do your calculations with a Roman numerical. Please try. There's a beautiful story. When Gautama was to get married, the Buddha, he got married, you know. Yashodhara is a princess. Those days, one thing they wanted to check was, "My daughter came to me and said she wants to marry somebody." I didn't ask, "What's his profession? What family is he? How much money does he make?" I asked him, "Is he intelligent?" She said, "Yes." I said, "How intelligent?" "At least twice of me." She said that. I said, "Good. If you think he's more intelligent than you, all right with me. Whatever nonsense he is, if he's got the brains, we'll do the rest." If that is not there, then what to do? So, Gautama was to get married. Yashodhara's father asked, "What can you do? You're the son of a small kingdom, you know, king. Little kingdom. What can you do?" Gautama said, "I can count up to the power of 53." He said, "Really?" And he counted. "What can you do with these numbers?" he said. He said, "I can count every grain of sand on the banks of Ganga across 1,000 miles." Then he said, "What else can you do?" He said, "I can count up to the power of 632." "What can you do with that?" he said. He said, "I can count every star in the cosmos with that." He gave his daughter to So, I'm saying, it is not they sit sat there and did nothing. It's just that they were conscious enough as to what should be done and what should not be done. See, today, let's let's face this. If this world gets destroyed, it is mainly destroyed because of modern science and the tools of modern science, unfortunately. Though it has given us immense benefits, but it is going to be destroyed by the same tools, isn't it? If you're genuinely wise, you must only do what is needed. There are uh There is a temple in in South in Karnataka, Annapoorneshwari Temple. Tejaswi is here. Yeah, in Hornadu. Here there are inscriptions. So, somebody told me, "Sadhguru, there are inscriptions you should read." I'm talking about 40 45 years ago. I went there to read the inscriptions. It's in Hale Kannada, so I took somebody to read that because it's ancient Kannada, it's difficult to read. Here it says you can fly an airplane with solid mercury fuel. But if you fly this, the ether will get disturbed. If ether gets disturbed, human minds will become unstable. So, we should not do it. And then in another place it says you can put a small hole into the earth and fresh sweet water will come. But if you do this, all the other species will suffer and then suffering will come to us. So, we should not do it. Bore wells and flight. I'm saying you think they're fools? They're wise. So, today we become childish science. Anything we can do, we will do. Even if it destroys our life tomorrow morning, we will do it because we can do it. >> And is it Sadhguru because we've kind of forgotten uh that the ability to survive does not require each and every instrument or tool that either we have or we want. What I mean is that I see intelligence as a tool for survival and millions of species are surviving along with us who do not have that tool or do not have neurons that present that tool. E. coli being one example, you yourself mentioned correctly that our uh being is made up of 100 trillion >> I didn't say being, body. >> Our body, yes, that's right. That's right, yes. Correct. So, uh if it is just a tool to survive, why is it more necessary than an E. coli's survival who's able to survive as good if not better than us? >> See, first of all, the question is starting from a wrong assumption that it's a tool for survival. For survival, you don't need all this intellect. >> Right. >> Because the worms and the insects and the birds survive without any fuss. If you really look at your survival process, what is it that you're doing? You're not doing anything different from what other creatures are doing. You are born just the same way as as a grasshopper is born, nothing different about your birth. You may think something you have done. Nothing. It's the same thing. It's just that they're born simply, you are born with a lot of fuss from all kinds of idiots around you. Yes. So, then you grow up, big fuss. I earn my own living, big big fuss. All of them do the same thing without effort. Not without effort, without fuss. Then we may reproduce. They also reproduce without fuss. We reproduce with too much fuss. And we die with too much fuss. They simply die. So, I'm saying when it comes to survival, they're far more efficient than you. So, what? In terms of intelligence, you are not more intelligent than them. You have an intellect. That means you have a silly little data center here. I'm saying silly little data center because now major data centers have come up. Compared to that, we are silly little data centers. >> We need less water. >> Huh? >> We need less water. >> Not true. For the volume of information you carry, you you're consuming more water than them. They They carry trillion times more information, so they need more water. The volume of information we carry, we are consuming more water actually. Because they are stable in one place, we move around and do things. So, and also the tantrums cost a lot of water. So, the important thing is our intellect gathers a certain amount of data and tries to process it and find expression to it in so many different ways. I'm not trying to belittle human intellect. All I'm saying is it is not necessary for your survival. Survival can be done just by observation. This is what these faces represent. Look at that face. Is there any intellect in that? No. It just knows what's around. It knows how to survive. You may think that's a crude existence. It is not. Because most people even in this society are not doing anything intellectually fantastic as far as I can see. I don't know if I'm missing the point. They're just surviving with great difficulty. To pass a day, they're struggling. See, day is something which will pass by itself. Hello? You You don't have to do anything about the day. The day will pass by itself. The life is also like that. You will never see This is not a university or a school. You shall never fail. Everybody will pass. Hello? See, you can't have a more blessed life. Whatever you do or you don't do, you will pass. Great, isn't it? This is like a government school. Everybody will pass. No need to fail. There's no such thing No such thing as failure. Only thing is you must know how to handle your limbs and your faculties, including your intellect, which is also one of the faculties. If you know how to handle them, you do the best in the atmospheres that you are. But, right now they've gotten into such a mess. Their own intellect is entangled. See, people are not suffering something else. They're suffering suffering their own intellect, isn't it? And hence, >> again, the question. Um intelligence, I believe, is overrated because we've come to the conclusion that every species, living species, is able to survive >> Very well. >> with or without intelligence. >> No, no, it's not that they lack intelligence. Let's separate intelligence and intellect. >> Right. >> Intellect is a data-driven process. Intelligence is simply perception-driven. >> Yeah. Um correct. You're right. Uh the The point I was making was isn't intellect also overrated? >> Terribly. >> Isn't it? We don't need to be intellectual. I mean, I Intellectual is a kind of an abuse in today's parlance. >> edit this part. He's a professor. >> Yeah, I don't want to lose my job. >> That's why I'm saying. >> In fact, I'm from JNU, so I can only lose my job by presidential order, so that's >> I didn't know that. >> After an illegal dharna. Lots of dufflis. >> I didn't know there was so much security in JNU. >> But, Sadhguru ji, the Here I come at last to the the book and the connecting question. Uh let me take you back to 4 billion years ago. Uh the things that were reproduced in 1953 by Stanley Miller in his experiment where he recreated the early earth. And by having three or four elements and water and voltage discharge, he was able to see that the primordial life forms were or elements building blocks were formed. Nucleic acids, amino acids, uh whether it be reducing atmosphere or neutral or oxidizing atmosphere. And then, let me progress further to Jack Szostak and his protocell that showed in hydrothermal vents when these building blocks came together, they formed a primitive cell that was not able to reproduce through genetic information inside it that got trapped, but through a Donnan effect of uh basically uh simple give and take of molecules that went inside freely. And then, let me progress further to William Stemmer and his sexual PCR that showed that you could actually gain advantage and survive a million times more stress if you were to accumulate the helpful mutations in your DNA. And then finally, let me progress to the genome sequencing that showed that our housekeeping genes of the most primitive cell to the human cell have exactly those three or 4,000 proteins that every living being cell has. When you look at that, and you look at the progress of life forms, Sadhguru ji, you are absolutely right. It is to do with survival. Species have survived. Some have the perception, intellect, intelligence, some not. Uh and then I saw your book talking about disappearing faces. When you look at desolate lands and scattered existence. The fact of the matter is that there are millions of species, {quote} and {unquote} faces, that are disappearing and appearing. Does it actually worry you that humans are disappearing? Do you Do you uh Are you anxious about losing a life form, or is it just a progression from the building blocks that created life on Earth to whatever might end it? >> You talking about environmental loss, or >> Uh >> This life, the loss of life. Disappearance. Does that worry you? >> See, when we say disappearing faces, it doesn't mean these people are going to die or you know, become extinct. Actually, they're going to thrive better because most of their children are going to schools. Nepal has managed to build even though simple schools. Even in the remotest places, there are schools. I've visited many of them. Children are fully bursting, but their faces are different. They don't look like this anymore because they have intellectual input. So, this is a different kind of disappearance, which is happening all the time. And uh today, you know, certain uh people who claim they are a certain generation are almost claiming a species rating. You know You know what I'm saying. They think they're a different species. I'm saying everyone who is alive on this planet right now is one generation, as per me. As it is, we have enough segments in humanity in terms of race, religion, caste, creed, and nonsense, nationality, and so many things. Now, even if you're born 10 years after me, you're another generation. Another claims 3 years after you, another generation. All the alphabets used up and now back to alpha. Where are we going? So, desperation to be something which you're not. Unfortunate I'm saying this. I could be get out. It's okay. I like to sit in one place. If they get out of me, I close my eyes and sit. It's no big deal for me. But, the important thing is this is a era going away. And it is so starkly visible there that there is one picture I think you have chosen that picture of a little girl, a colored picture. She's a school going girl. She's just visiting her grandmother's place for a festival. She's dressed in the traditional clothes, but you can see she's she's bursting with joy, but it's different from these faces. Distinctly, because she's going to school and she's getting a certain information. This is the difference when you have only sensory input. The land that you live on, the terrain and your your own self becomes kind of matching, because that's what you're imbibing. The shape of things that you see impacts you. And when you don't have any information, this mountain is this is the name, this is the height, this is the rubbish, all kinds of information. You don't have any of those things. All you know is what you see. Slowly that becomes a part of you. There are significant spiritual examples like this. People who have lived with certain masters, they have become like them, facially, you know, just incredible. They've become just like the other person over a period of time, simply because they're just looking looking, completely imbibing that person, nothing else. So, this is what these faces are. These are bound to disappear because we don't want to spare anybody from the contamination of education. We want to make sure everybody is educated. I remained uncontaminated. Do I look uneducated or not? It's It's a qualification. It's not easy. When I go and stand in the line in the immigration lines when I used to stand in US they ask, "Can you speak English?" Because I look that uneducated. And it's not easy. Not easy to stay uneducated because from the first day you was born you're born every idiot around you he wants to teach you something that's not worked in their life. Yes. Everybody wants to teach you something and it's not worked for them. If you look at their faces you can see it's not worked for them. Maybe they've survived, maybe they made money, maybe they progressed in the society. But from their childhood to now if you look at them they're much less joyful. In my understanding that means it's not worked for them. They were five if they're that happy by the time they're 30 they should be ecstatic. If that didn't happen it didn't work. So what is not worked they want to impart. So this is the problem. Right now this is not something we can avoid it'll inevitably happen. >> But here is what I have come to a conclusion Sadhguru ji you are a problem. >> I am. >> In this world. You actually are. >> Yes, I am. >> And I'll tell you why. I see humans as when I have a culture and I plate it on an agar plate and I put it in the oven after 16 hours I see colonies forming. That's what we are. Humans have formed colonies. We've either colonized other human settlements, destroyed them or we've colonized other life forms. We are colonies. Uh and when you say that uh all of us, including I mean our parents and we as parents, we want to teach and imbibe all those values that we believe are important for a human being to survive in this environment. And then you come along and then you say, "Well, I will not only survive, I will thrive in this environment without having all those qualities that you believe are necessary in your environment." >> Yes. >> So, you are an issue here. >> I am. Yes. >> You are the problem. >> In a in a mental institution, only the doctor is sick. Finally, we are reaching somewhere. Everybody else is As I said, I'm always invited only once to a gathering. So, no, no. Everybody else is fine, isn't it? This happens. >> So, there is a clash >> Can I tell you an incident, please? >> Please. >> A bishop went to a mental institution in United States because he wanted to harvest some crazy souls. So, he went there and he had a properly prepared 1-hour long sermon. He had it ready. And he took permission and went. There were around 200 people, just like this hall. And he stood up at the podium and started reading and speaking. He kept looking, not one person was listening. There was only one guy here in this empty chair. I don't want to point at anybody. It's reserved for him. There was only one guy who was intently looking at the bishop and listening to every word that he said. No one was listening. Everybody was busy with their own stuff. After he finished 1 hour, he had it because he doesn't know how to stop in between, you know. So, prepared thing. He finished and there was a doctor was standing at the door just to keep things in order. And as soon as the sermon was over, this guy stood up and he left. When he went near the door, he spoke to the doctor something and he left. Then others were just busy with their own thing. They don't know when the sermon started, when it ended. They're going on with their stuff. So, the bishop came down and went to the doctor and asked, "See, of all the people, that was the only guy who was listening to me intently. And he came and said something to you. What is it?" So, the doctor said, "No, he asked uh why am I in and why is he out?" It happens like this. >> But I I want to scratch a little bit more about this thing about why you are Sadhguru ji an outlier. Um and it's terribly vexing and I'll tell you why because we've formed a society, we formed a set of rules. And we believe every society believes that they have the ideal rules for their survival and thriving. And we are forcing people to conform to that. And then you talked about earlier about humans always fighting with not just amongst themselves, with other life forms, always fighting. It is this clash of adaptability. We believe that if somebody does not have those values, he he or she will not be able to adapt to our environment. Hence, the need for degree, for schooling, a type of schooling, learning a type of language, doing a job, doing a vocation. You do none of that. No. And you are an outlier. So, I don't want to ask you how you've survived amongst us, but >> I thrive. >> Now, here here is the million-dollar question. If I Why is the question connected to dollars? We're trying to de-dollarize. It's still the international currency. But here here here is the question. If I were to take a little bit of your blood and clone you, would a thousand Sadhguru's be able to survive in this environment? >> They won't come like that. >> No? >> Because see, you are a human being. But because of your science, you're going on saying from E. coli to you, everything is same, this is same, that is same. We're misunderstanding what is a human being. We did not refer to big animal like an elephant as elephant being. We did not call a powerful creature like tiger as a tiger being. Nor did we say a pretty grasshopper as a grasshopper being. Of course, cockroaches are different. I don't want to touch that. But all the other creatures, we did not call them as beings. Only this is a human being. Because you're supposed to know how to be. How far the society has gone from that definition of a being? Anything but a being, isn't it? So, you're supposed to be a being. That possibility is there. Can I take you back 15,000 years ago? Because you're going away before billion years and all. Can I go 15,000? Because see, this is the advantage of being a man of science in modern world. You can say whatever. If you say yesterday night I flew, I went to Mars and came back, they will all say, "Wow." If a Yogi says, "I saw the Mars. That's not how it is. This is how it is." They say, "What does he know? Does he have a spacecraft? Did he go there?" All this. Okay, so I'll go only 15,000. Because this iconography proof for what I'm speaking. Over 15,000 years ago, seven people gathered around Adi Yogi for the first exposition of yoga. After Adi Yogi expounded many things, he said, these guys asked, but you know, 150 years ago, your Darwin, Charles Darwin, because you keep taking his name. 150 years ago, it's 152 years now, that he defined this, I mean, expo- an exposition of this evolutionary theory, which is a fantastic work. This is one of the biggest things that impressed me when I was just 16 years of age. So, but 15,000 years ago, Adi Yogi spoke about evolution. You know about the avatars that Indian you know, the Hindu civilization talks about, that the first life was a Matsya Avatara. That means it was in water. The second one is a amphibious life. You know, Kurma Avatara. Then they jump to mammals. They jump all the small things and jump to mammals. So, the first one was a boar. And the next one was a half man, half animal. Next one was a dwarfed man. Next one was a full-grown man, but unstable and volatile, Parashurama. Next came Rama, stable, peaceful. Next one came a very loving man. Next one came a meditative man. Next one is supposed to be a mystical man. So, this is not about individual people as we think. It is different stages of evolution upon the planet. So, he spoke about all this. So, they asked, "Why can't we evolve further now? Why can't we grow something else? Why can't we make this brain bigger? Why can't we do something?" So, he said, "See, right now, the way the planetary system is organized, the distance between, you said some Greek guy came up with the distance between the Earth and the Moon. Well before that, they spoke spoke about distance between the Earth and the Moon precisely as we measure it today. And they also said that every year it is moon is moving away about an inch and a half from the planet. So, they calculated and said approximately in 28,000 years, this calculation was made maybe about 3,700 or 800 years ago. In 28,000 years time, the moon will go so far away from the planet that it will start impacting the reproductive process of a human Homo sapien female. That means she will become incapable of bearing children. So, it will not die with a bang, not with fire, not with ice as people describe. Slowly, our ability to reproduce will start decreasing. And then, of course, they have to come to the test tube making whatever. But that will also die out after some time, after a few generations. And this is how human race will go out." He spoke. So, they said, "Why can't we evolve?" They said, "You cannot evolve from where you are if the planetary positions remain the same. If some drastic change happens with our relationship with the sun and the other planets, other seven planets that he spoke about, if that happens, it's possible that you could physically evolve to another level. But, you can consciously evolve limitlessly. So, this conscious evolution is available to us with the intelligence invested in us, we are supposed to initially ask questions, be confused about it as children. But, by the time you are eight, actually you have enough intelligence to figure these things out if nobody messes with you. If your parents have the wisdom not to tell you where God lives, if the parents have the wisdom not to tell all the god damn lies that their parents told them, if parents have the sincerity to say this has worked for me, this has not worked for me in my life, by the time you are eight, you have the intelligence to start figuring out where the solution is. If you don't make it, wait, if you're a at eight, if you're a slow starter, by 16, 100% you have the intelligence. But, most people don't make it there because by then they have so much input, all kinds of rubbish input, they think is sacred because any god damn thing that's printed is supposed to be sacred. For a long time it's been like that. >> Sadhguru ji, you're right in the sense that the input has been put in there. Sorry for uh forgetting what the appropriate phrase would be. But, I think it's a lot to do with cowardice as well. I think we, I speak for myself as a parent, was kind of scared that if I do not make my child conform to what the society has told me is the proper chart or course of education, then getting a job, I will not be nurturing himself or preparing himself for the world we live in. You know, uh not I Sorry to say this. >> No, I'm saying the next >> the next generation >> There is this one Sadhguru. There aren't very many. >> next generation is supposed to create a new world, not live in the same goddamn old world. >> But, where is that next generation that's created? >> Because parents won't allow it. >> Exactly. Our politicians won't allow it. >> I don't blame it on them. Okay. We are a democracy. It's one of us who stood up there. >> Right. Yeah. So, I >> It's a democratic process. They didn't drop upon us. We elected them. They were just one of us. We put them up because we are not willing to do the dirty work. We want somebody else to do it for us. >> Yeah. Comes with conditions. >> Conditions? >> Well, I mean, the politicians would say, "Well, you're asking me to do the dirty work. I put these conditions." >> It is a fact, isn't it? See, today in the in this country at least, if somebody says he's doing politics, not as a profession. Let's say, in your family or in your office, somebody says he's doing politics, this does not mean he's making policy for your university. It means he's doing something dirty. Politics means there are policy makers who make structures so that it works for everybody. Because each one of us are different kind of creatures, some kind of common thread so that it works for maximum number of people, if not all the people. That's what they're supposed to do. But, see how we would, you know, degenerated that word itself into something filthy. Politics means something ugly they're doing. They're not doing anything pretty. >> Yes, but Sadhguru, I'm I'm not just a bit jealous of you. I'm jeal- I'm kind of Now, I'm thrusting this question on you because you you live a very exalted existence. You want nothing. You have nothing. You are at peace. >> Because I know I will go with nothing. >> Right. >> You don't know. >> Uh fact of the matter is that, you know, where you stay, traffic jams are caused by gazelles and squirrels and snakes. And I just 5 km ride, it took me 1 and 1/2 hours because traffic jams are caused by car in front of me that says Gujjar. Or you know, that that says last warning. >> He's getting into trouble. >> No. I'm just saying we are living in a society that has >> the Gujjars. >> No, I mean, no no offense. Absolutely no offense. Uh I see myself as an Ethiopian, so >> What? No, was it a tractor or was it a >> I don't know. >> car? >> It was rocks, r o w x. Uh but the fact of the matter is uh you are living an exalted existence. Uh No, none of us uh afford is the wrong word. You've chosen where you stay. Let me be blunt. You are an outlier. There is only one Sadhguru. >> You can say whatever you want, but I'm telling you I've These days it's a little better because I'm flying much more these days. Otherwise, I've spent more than half my life on the roads of India and rest of the world. I've driven across the world both for work and otherwise. Even today, I I ride because getting a four-wheel drive you know, four-wheel car through traffic is difficult. I ride. >> But you always go back to your >> What? >> your environment, don't you? >> See, that's what >> found anything better than where you stay? >> No, I've I always make sure I'm in the best possible place. Why not? Because I'm setting up the center not for myself. If you come to Tennessee in United States, we have the most spectacular land that you can see, 23,000 acres. Here, if you come Velliangiri Hills, every time I drive in, I wonder why the hell do I ever travel, because this is the most beautiful place that you can go to. So is it in Bangalore, so is it everywhere, but you must understand to set up something. See, if I build a center in the city, tomorrow morning, it'll be full. But, to set up a center like this, 35 years. Our lives are gone there. All the volunteers who came to me at the age of 18, 20, today they're all in 50s. Their entire life has gone into making that place beautiful and livable and attractive for people to come and experience that place. So, I'm saying, if you want something, there is a price to pay. You don't want to price of pay the price, live in an apartment in a city, it's up to you. I think it's like a bird's cage. But, it's a choice. >> You know, think about 5 by 5 cubical, 10 by 10, it's so appropriate for city city dwellers, you know, it's really got me thinking. So, um I think we have time for one more uh inquisition, if I may, for my own benefit, especially when you talked about the younger generation, without labeling them with some of the alphabets. But, you know, we are truly, Sadhguru ji, at an inflection point. And I the way I've structured this question is like this. Um in the last 3,000 years, knowledge for us was a privilege. Uh only those who could have access to a library or a scripture or uh were wealthy enough to visit a place could gain that knowledge, till about 1990. In the last 30 years, knowledge was on our fingertips. Most, you can say, 15, 20% of the knowledge, immense knowledge. But, in the last 3 years answers are on our fingertips, not just knowledge, through AI. >> Then why are you asking so many questions? >> I was just coming to that. >> Brilliant. >> This is where intellect has trumped over anything else. Absolutely right. But um Uh the the the question was should we be more worried about disappearing minds than disappearing faces? What are we to do when the combined human achievements intellect over the last 3 4,000 years has given us this AI, this pool from which we can easily draw? For example, what's the What's the point of an exam? I am not I have an extra organ. >> I never went there. I missed many examinations because I never saw the point. >> Yes. You were always ahead of us, but what I meant was we now have an extra organ which is a phone with an AI, Grok or something. Why should we be ashamed of it? >> you're even copying questions. Your students copy answers. >> Yes. Yes. So, disappearing minds is a problem for you. What are we to do? >> No. See uh No, I have stopped going there, but this started about 7 8 years ago. They started inviting me to all kinds of AI conferences. I was wondering why they inviting me in St. Petersburg, or in Los Angeles, here there, all kinds of places they're inviting me for AI conference. Then I asked these guys, "Why me? I'm natural. I'm not artificial. Why are you inviting me for an artificial intelligence thing?" So, they said you know, this is a very well-known professor. I don't want to name him. He said, "We are all worried that what will happen to our professions, not just me personally, but our very profession. The teaching profession will go away. But we see that you are not bothered about it. I said I am always waiting when will I become unemployed. That's the best thing that can happen to you. So this is like this. This I've said this many times, but let me repeat this. This happened I don't know if you're too young to know about Dattatray Samant. >> Yeah, yes. >> You heard of him? >> Yeah, of course. >> So in 1971-72, Dattatray Samant caused a massive disruption in Mumbai. Because the port employees, the coolies, went on strike. Why they went on strike is because they installed the first gantry. At that time, the largest seafaring vessels were 125 to 130,000 tons. Today, most of the vessels are over quarter million. But those vessels, they were taking 26 to 28 days to unload. Human beings going with, you know, carrying sacks and emptying things. Well, the famous they made, you know, the Mumbai cinema made movies about that, about and this and that. Then the gantry came. The gantry unloaded a ship in 24 hours. So the coolies went on strike. Dattatray Samant took the organization of that. The simple logic was we grew our muscles and we're making a living out of carrying these bags, unloading a ship in 26-28 days. You bring this machine and it unloads in 24 hours. What are we supposed to do? >> Yes. >> Where are those guys now, I'm asking. Probably they're IT engineers now. Because they're again talking the same language. What should we do now? AI is coming. God damn it, it's the same thing. The machine came. Aren't you happy that you don't have to dig the streets? The machine will dig it quickly. Aren't you Have you seen what it is, you know, I always wondered somehow it was true at that time that wherever in India tarmac roads were happening, you know, highways were happening. Putting these bitumen roads is not easy. It's hot. And it falls on your body. They're not properly geared up. There's no full on gloves and thing and all. It falls on your body. It burns your skin. I have seen many people coming with those injuries, all this stuff. But wherever you went, these tarmac road making people were either Tamils or Biharis. The only two tough breeds who could do this. Nobody else wants to do that job. Today machines have come. Nobody's burning themselves up. You sit on a thing and it dumps, it does everything, it mixes all the thing. Otherwise they were actually physically mixing this bitumen. It's such a dangerous job. Everybody's hands are burned, their legs are burned, you know. And in that toxic this thing, people die early, everything. Even the Himalayan roads, the B BRO, is it? Or the BRO? Yeah. Even the BRO roads, when I whenever I see tarmac being laid, if I'm driving or riding, I stop and talk to them. Because I see without them you won't be riding. Hello? You will not be driving. I always made sure I stopped and had a chat with them. Always it's Tamil people or Biharis. So today machines have come. Aren't we glad that human beings don't have to go through this? They've all graduated to become IT software. But now that's going to go away. Again, you're crying the same story. I didn't learn to do something else. >> So, sorry to bring Darwin one last time. It It proves the adaptability to a changing environment very beautifully. So, people tens of thousands of workers who were in the board as you said, they've you know, they realized they need to be flexible in what they do to earn a living. They have shifted that. Is India? I don't know. >> No, I don't think you can change your profession can be described in Darwinian terms. That is a different level of a goat becomes a giraffe. That is >> I I was drawing a a parallel with you know, if I'm a farmer and tomorrow I I can't do farming, then I would shift to you know, some other profession. >> most of them have in their previous generations, most of them were farmers probably. Isn't it? Their parents at least their grandparents were farmers somewhere. Today they are all doing something else. But still they all eat. They shouldn't forget this. So, I must remind them. We have done certain surveys as a part of our Kaveri calling and save soil moments. We find at least in southern southern India in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu not even 2% of the farmers want their children to become farmers. All right? So, I want you to think in another 25 years when this generation passes who is going to feed you? Unless we make farming economically very strong, unless a farmer can earn as much as a professor or a doctor or an engineer or a lawyer, unless he earns that much >> and politician. Not that much. >> You have something against this profession. Yeah, I I always think it's very courageous for a young person to take to politics. Leave the people who have just inherited it. But others who start from scratch and go into it, it takes a certain level of courage. And I would say a certain sense of sacrifice. Because you don't know whether he doesn't know whether he will make it or not. Okay? He doesn't know whether he'll get elected or not. He doesn't know whether he'll become a minister or not. He doesn't know whether he'll become chief minister, prime minister, whatever that he's aspiring that he may be dreaming of. He doesn't know nothing. And today, your profession, you need presidential intervention to get you out. But if the guys lose the election tomorrow morning, today they are the minister, tomorrow morning is nothing. How many people are willing to take that risk? Well, some of them might have brought terrible reputation for that profession, unfortunately. But that is not the case. And above all, it's horribly irresponsible of all of us that we hand over the country to people who we think are rogues and sit back and make give commentary. This is not right. If we think they are rogues, we must take up the job, isn't it? Hello? If you think you have the integrity, you must take up the job or no? So, many of them are not corrupt as far as I know because I have mixed with various types of politicians. Many of them are simply innocent of integrity. Really? You You were serious, so you did not You meant to. Because they don't know what it is. Really, I'm telling you. I'm not joking. Genuinely, they do not know what it is because they've grown up like that. See, to get elected he He go to his mama and ask for money. He had to go to his chacha and ask for some support. He has to go to his relative far off relative and ask something. He has to local dada to ask him something. Then he got elected. Suddenly he can kick all of them in the face and say I'm full integrity? No, he has to fulfill all those promises. So we have created a system by the time he comes reasonably to power, he has so much encumbrance. The very system, the society, not even the government system, the very social structure creates such a level of encumbrance. See, somebody gets elected, he's your friend. First thing is you think, "Ah, can you give me one site?" "My site I need, you know, I site. My daughter needs medical seat. Can you do it?" Uh because corruption is not the thing, it's a culture. Corruption is not a crime in this country. It's a culture. It takes a lot of integrity to go against that and stay free from that. It takes enormous sacrifice. You I don't want to talk about my own story. You don't know what all we are put through just to stay straight. You understand? It takes We are not asking for any favors just to exist without yielding to certain things. It takes a lot. Every day, every day. You understand? >> So Sadhguru, final question. >> One more? >> Do you see yourself as Bhishma Pitama? >> That guy was a bloody fool. I'm not that kind. That guy sits here when a woman is disrobed in public, that guy sits here and thinks he's doing a great thing. I'm not that kind of guy. >> No, I I didn't mean that particular aspect of it. >> that defines the man. Morally crippled. I'm saying, let me put it in the right sense. Crippled by your own morality. Too much morals. No life sense. You don't need any moral to understand that a helpless woman is being done something for whatever reasons, for whatever vengeance they carry against somebody. Uh This doesn't take any morality. You don't need to read Vedas or know uh 10 Commandments to know this is wrong. Hello? Why are you making him that kind of character? >> Agreed. What I meant was you're on a bed watching the world go by. >> What? You want me to be on the bed of arrows? This guy has no good intention for me. Tell me, ask me one nice question last. >> I I had a list of all the nice questions and I haven't asked a single one of them. This is perhaps the only book launch in the world where we haven't discussed We've discussed 1 and 1/2 hours and not discussed the book at all. But it's been an absolute pleasure and a joy, Sadhguru. I've learned so much. And I hope the audience forgive me for trespassing on your intelligence and intellect with silly questions, but I I really wanted to understand more from Sadhguru, hence I asked those questions. So I I would like to thank all of you and Sadhguru ji for giving me this opportunity. Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Saptrishi, for sharing not just those stories, but a lot more about life and intellect. >> we were supposed to talk about these people. >> Yes. So I would like to request Sadhguru if you'd like to share a few words about the disappearing faces. Just a few words. We've got the images, but we'd like to hear from you. >> As I said, I'll never be invited again, so please don't. >> Not for this book. We will invite you again because you seem to be having questions and slowly you're delivering them very slowly. We will give you an opportunity to ask any kind of question about the people. Uh as I said, they're unique faces on the planet. Just look at them. The way they are. And uh you know, everybody when they go to Himalayas, Himalayas have been photographed and photographed endlessly. From the age of 19, for 27 years I trekked in the Indian part of Himalayas every year. Mostly alone, but last 6-7 years I took people with me. Uh last time I went was 2004 or five, I don't remember exactly. When I went there, I saw the peaks that I had known. I I'm somebody, you know, I know all the trees and birds and animals among which I live. But I've never tried to name them zoological names, botanical names. I just remember them the way they are. I have a video in my head that I see. Even now I can see anything, but I don't know the names. People ask me, "Sadhguru, what species is this? What" I don't care what it is. These are all names we're imposing on other creatures. Which is unnecessary. Maybe for the sake of study and understanding somebody needs it. But for experiencing life you don't need those names. In fact, you cannot experience it the moment you give names to everything. So, the same with human beings. I just remember the faces most of the time. I don't even care what their names are. If I look at you, I know I've seen this face. But, I don't care what your name is. What does it matter? I'll tap you and ask, "Hey, what's your name?" Because uh you know, I'm I'm shameless. It's a huge It's a huge achievement, you know. People ask me, "Sadhguru, where did you learn to sing?" I said, "I never learned." Because I'm shameless, I can sing anywhere. Because I don't care what you think about it. If I feel like it, I will sing. You don't like it, you can say it. I have no problem. So, when I looked at these faces, these are the faces which are closest to me. Because they have no sense of all those things. They're just there. I'm not trying to idealize them. They have their own little problems in their own societies. Tiny little problems which are major problems for them. You know, whether you think Delhi has a lot of politics, a little village has more politics than New Delhi, you know. There's so much there going on in their own tiny little lives. But, there is something about them which is so much like the terrain. This is I have loved the terrain of this this part of the world. Everywhere, I would say. And when I crisscrossed India on my motorcycle, I didn't go to any particular place. I simply rode. I still remember the faces that I saw, I interacted with, and the land that I saw. I remember small outcrops of rocks, a certain tree which was standing in a crooked way. If I ride into the Himalayas today, I just ride like blind. People say, "How do you go like this?" Because I know every bend, every curve, every mountain. I don't remember them as this and that. I just know like a video, it runs in my mind. Because I never named them. This is an important thing you need to understand. Instead of focusing on experiencing life, you're trying to store life. Now, of course, See, she's taking me. It's all right. All right. Shoot. Shoot. Shoot. It's okay. Because you want to store life. Store it and take Store it and take it where? I'm asking. Even the things that you have stored, you can't take it anywhere. Where will you store it and take it? You can only experience it. Because how rich your life is is not in terms of what you have. It is in terms of how profoundly you experienced it. That's all there is in human life. There is nothing else you carry with you. Every moment of your life, the only thing you carry is how profound is your life in experience. How many things I know, how many things I possess, how much I possess in my pocket, that is not nothing. You know, it is it is only valuable when there are people who have less than you, unfortunately. So, there is no joy in that. That is a sickness that you enjoy other people's failures. They have done worse than you in life. See, you have a billion dollar. I must tell you this. I was just about to launch Save Soil movement. It was not to be done in United States, but I was trying to rev up the social media and media before I come to London and ride to India. So, in one of these events morning, I'm sitting and one young man running around like his tail is on fire. I look at him and say, "Hey, what are you up?" He says, "Sadhguru, I want to make 1 billion dollars. I want to make 1 billion dollars." I said, "Only 1 billion? You come tomorrow, I'll give you." "Really, Sadhguru?" I said, "Yeah, you come tomorrow, I'll give you 1 billion." There were eight of his friends sitting in this line. They were sitting quietly. I said, "See these eight guys who come with you, I'm going to give all of them 10 billion each." "Why Sadhguru, they get 10 billion, I get 1 million?" Hey, idiot, just now you said your life's ambition is only 1 billion. Now, the moment they get 10 billion, you're already miserable. You neither you got it nor they got it. So, I'm saying this kind of meaningless life is going on because what you possess is meaningful only if others don't have it. If everybody has 1 billion, you will feel poor. You'll feel pedestrian. So, this whole thing about enjoying other people's misfortune should stop. Must stop because this is not joy. This is sickness. If you leave this, then this life has so much to offer. If you just leave this, how can I be better than somebody? If you just leave that one thing in your life, this life is an immense possibility. Wherever the hell you are, whatever your position is in the society, still it's an immense possibility for everybody. See, we are thinking, "But if I'm born in a slum." Hey, if you came here 500 years ago, everybody was living in a slum. You think they were never happy? Hello? You think your great great grandfather was never happy because he lived in a hut? He was fine, isn't it? He lived a full life. So, life is not full because you have a car or a home or a diamonds hanging around your neck. No. Life is rich only because your experience of life is rich. For that, you need to focus more on perception, but today's generation is totally dedicated to expression, though they don't have much to say. It's very important we invest a certain amount of time and energy for perception and experience. Then if it's something worthwhile, let's express. Nothing worthwhile, let's sit. Thank you very much. >> Thank you Sadhguru. Thank you Dr. Ranganathan.