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Dominic Cummings offers a scathing assessment of Nigel Farage and Reform UK, characterizing Farage's return to politics as depressing because he operates more like a traditional Tory MP seeking media attention on shows like *The Andrew Marr Show* rather than offering substantive solutions. According to Cummings, Farage lacks real answers for the country and merely profits from public dissatisfaction without building anything meaningful, often surrounded by what he describes as useless characters. While Reform UK currently holds about 15% of the vote—a figure similar to their support in 2019—Cummings argues this is not a viable path forward because Farage despises everyone else and cannot solve actual problems. He suggests that while some view Reform UK as the only potential savior for a Conservative Party he believes is "dead in the water," relying on such figures does not address the root causes of political stagnation. The core of Cummings' argument extends to a broader critique of British politics, which he compares directly to the United States, noting that elite talent has massively shifted away from public service and into sectors like mathematics, venture capital, tech startups, and scientific research over the last few decades. He explains that unlike the open economy where companies can die and new ones emerge, political institutions are ancient entities—such as the Tories (founded roughly 200 years ago) and Labour (over a century old)—that have rotted internally because smart people no longer want to participate in what he calls a "political clown show." This creates a vicious circle where parties fail to rejuvenate themselves, leading to a one-way process of talent collapse that Cummings has observed in the Conservative Party for 25 years. Cummings highlights how this dynamic is self-reinforcing through examples from both sides of the Atlantic; he notes that figures like Donald Trump and JD Vance gain support precisely because they are hated by the establishment, creating an illusion among voters that these populists must be good simply because "the old system really really hates them." He illustrates this with Tucker Carlson's quote about trusting someone who has no supporters in halls of power. Cummings points out how mainstream media outlets like *The New York Times*, CNN, and MSNBC often frame disinformation campaigns or political scandals—such as the Hunter Biden laptop story attributed to Russian interference—to blame voters for being stupid rather than acknowledging institutional failures. This strategy pushes disillusioned elites, including Silicon Valley figures who previously voted for Democrats like Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, toward opposing parties, effectively forcing them into a "call to arms." Looking ahead at the UK's political landscape over the next few years, Cummings predicts grim prospects unless external forces intervene. He asserts that the Conservative Party will likely remain dysfunctional after their delusional period between 1997 and 2001, with quality deteriorating significantly since then. While he concedes Labour might implement some improvements regarding planning laws to facilitate building projects and show less casual vandalism toward science than previous Tory governments did under Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak, the underlying institutions remain pathological. Cummings cites specific instances where world-leading initiatives were shut down because they embarrassed Whitehall, such as closing the vaccine task force after success with COVID-19 and dismantling sewage monitoring systems crucial for future pandemics and bioterrorism defense. He concludes that without a subset of elite talent forcing change from within or outside politics to stop these institutional failures, Britain will continue to suffer under a broken system driven by Washington's dysfunction crossing the Atlantic.
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what's your thoughts on reform UK and
farage's re-entry into
politics it's sort of depressing
basically I think because faraj is not
farage is basically like Tori MP at
heart his goal is just to be on the
stupid today program on the BBC you know
he's not actually there to get anything
done um so he's there to kind of profit
from people being upset with with with
the system but he doesn't have real
answers for for for what to do and he
always surrounds himself with useless
characters you can't build anything so
the party itself isn't really going
anywhere it tops out at like roughly 15%
there 15% of the country um like pretty
much like faraj and hate everybody else
and he can get that 15% this year he got
15% in
2015 um but it can't but but but but
it's never going to solve the actual
problem well there's a lot of people
that see reform as the only potential
supp planter to the conservative party
that Tories are dead in the water
they're not going to go anywhere there's
no way that they can come back from this
their reputation's completely destroyed
and Here Comes Here Comes The Prodigal
Son someone who is a good communicator
who does articulate and orate very well
uh is that a non-starter in your opinion
do you need to like Lazarus bring the
conservative party back from the dead
how can you make any sort of a an
opposition to
labor so I think
there there's a vicious circle in in in
in British politics which I think you
see a similar sort of issue issue in
America right um what's happened over
over decades is that Elite
Talent that you a lot of Elite Talent
used to go into politics and public
service in one form or
another if you go back a 100 years you
even go back like 50 or 70 years you see
a lot of incredibly abled people in
Washington DC in whiteall building
things and doing
things what's happened is that that
Elite Talent has massively shifted out
of politics and Public Service uh and
they're in you know some combination of
maths money Venture Capital Tech
startups scientific research etc etc etc
they don't want to be part of the party
clown show and the and the political
clown show and this becomes very
self-reinforcing um so you know like if
if if you're looking at the overall
economy the economy is an open system
all kinds of people can come in and out
of it startups happen old companies die
there's this concrate of Destruction
right but in politics and government the
system doesn't work like that so you've
you have increasingly these like all
parties which are all created 50 100 200
years ago Tories 200 200 years ago labor
100 odd years ago Democrats Republicans
you know 150 years ago whatever um these
things are all like kind of rotting
internally and the smart people have
most the smart people have moved out
moved out elsewhere and it becomes
therefore extremely hard to rejuvenate
these things so um and and and very
similar thing to what's happened in in
the states right you can see both
Democrats and Republicans suffering from
suffering from this
problem my own view about the Tories is
like it's just very hard I've watched
them for 25 years um uh it's just a like
one-way process of of talent collapse
and rot it's very hard to see
how it can be self-generating and also
you have to consider this right they
don't want to change right like the
voters look at them and they say we hate
you because you're so but the
Tories don't think of themselves like
that right they just want to keep going
in the same way that they they that they
always do same as whiteall right you
have you have whiteall collides with
Once Century event in covid once a
50-year event in Ukraine does it say oh
my God we've totally failed we've got a
change T no it's
we've got to go back to normal give us
more power give us more money and let us
carry on and you should just the answer
is you've all got to trust the old
institutions right that's that's the
solution that's their solution to it
give us more money give us more power
and trust us does does that not lay the
groundwork for someone like a farage to
come in and say this is new uh some of
the people that were around him did seem
to be a little bit younger maybe a
little bit more disruptive in some way
it's less aifi it can do these things is
is that not a potential solution to this
yeah I think so I think in principle it
is and like in some in some respects
right that's what Trump is Trump trump
partly is a is a phenomen
generated by Mill tens and tens of
millions of people just being completely
disgusted and fed up of the old system
and a lot of people might think Trump's
a bit of an they might not agree
with him about everything but they but
they know one what they know one thing
for sure about Trump right the old
system really really hates him and
because of that well he can't be all bad
and therefore like maybe he's our guy
well I mean we saw that with uh we saw
that with JD Vance there's this famous
Tucker quote where he said something
like I know of nobody in the halls of
power that supports JD Vance and that
makes me trust him immensely exactly and
this is this like self-feeding Dynamic
right so the old establishment is saying
more and more the real danger is
populists and fascists and the people
who don't trust the old institutions but
the more
they and their argument about what's
happening is well it's the idiot voters
who are fooled by disinformation yeah
like Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian
disinformation right and um and and um
Biden is scile disinformation run by run
by Putin Biden is super sharp in private
right that's what all the that's what
all the main that's what the New York
Times and CNN and MSNBC told told
everyone for the last two years um so
they they keep doubling down on um it's
the voters who who are stupid to be not
to trust TR us and the answer is for
them to trust us more but that is
pushing more and more and more people
into opposing them and as the Democrat
part is called more and more mad it's
pushed up Elon voted twice for Obama a
whole bunch of people in Silicon Valley
who voted for for Bill Clinton Hillary
Clinton and Obama twice have now just
come out and said s it like we're gonna
vote for Trump David saaks doing a
fundraiser chath coming on his side SF
now starting to get moving exactly
chathu is like super pro Hillary and
Biden right is now like all is all in
all all in for um for
Trump the kind of this kind of like
self-generating Madness of the Democrats
and the old media is part of what's
driving that right these guys didn't
want to find themselves involved with
politics these are stup people who
wanted to keep doing what everyone's
done in Silicon Valley for for 50 years
which is like we try and isolate
ourselves from the madness in the east
coast we don't want to touch it we want
to build our own stuff out here leave us
be and finally The Madness of the New
York Times the Democrats has got become
so intense a lot of them have said I
think Mark andreon said last last week
something like um paraphrasing trosky
you may not be interested in war but war
is interested in you and you know I
think that's the attitude which a lot of
people in the valley have adopted right
we didn't want to be interested in all
of this stuff we wanted to keep clear of
it but you kind of put a gun to our head
and forced us to it's a call to Arms for
the tech Bros and their mechanical
keyboards to uh get moving and and start
doing something all right so just to
round out just to round out the
discussion about the UK uh you know what
do you see what can people expect the
next few years in the UK what do you
what should people uh what's your
prediction what do people
expect so I think that generally
speaking uh um like they are powerful
long-term trends and unless some force
intervenience with them you should just
expect these things to to to continue
roughly speaking so the Tories are a
fast the Tories will remain a fast I
think it's very unlikely that you see
some kind of
Rejuvenation after 1997 2001 they just
run around in circles for four years
completely delusional complete waste of
time didn't get anywhere since then the
quality of the people has massively
deteriorated so why the hell would would
the story be different I think
ironically that um label will do a bit
more of what me and the leave team
wanted to do and some things so I think
they'll be like a bit better on things
like planning law for example it'll
become a bit easier to build stuff um
they'll be a bit less sort of like
casually ignorantly Vandal vandalistic
towards science technology than the
Tories were um but at the heart of it K
sta like rishy sunak like Boris is like
an Institutional man right they believe
in White Hall they believe in the
institutions and um the these
institutions are pathological the
institutions destroy the good things so
what happened in 2020 we built the
vaccine task force World
leading white all thought saw this is
terribly embarrassing so closed it down
we built um sewage monitoring for
pathogens crucial not just for for for
Co but for all future pandemics and for
biot terrorism and everything else right
World leading thing everyone says God
what Britain did This brilliant what
happened they've shut it down
um you go through you go through like
valuable thing after valuable thing now
the institutions actually attack it
because it's embarrassing to the all to
to to Old whiteall so I think tourist
keep failing labor keep failing whiteall
keep failing there'll be some
improvements of Labor over the Tes here
and there but I think the picture
generally will be will will will be
pretty Grim not as Grim as in as in
inside the EU but um but I think it'll
be I think it'll be be depressing if the
system is left to itself right so then
the question is big question is is it
will Britain obviously is in many many
ways constantly Downstream of what
happens in in the states we have like
the kind of communist trans
Madness grow Sparks off and grows in San
Francisco and then heads West heads East
and then hops over the Atlantic um and
gets to here and then similarly you have
like the backlash starts in California
heads East and then the question is like
will that spread will that hop across
the Atlantic so will there be something
sort of equivalent to what you've seen
with Elon and the valley people and
other parts of America saying okay
Wasing is so dysfunctional we've got to
get involved if Britain's going to
change course it needs a subset of Elite
Talent to stop what they're doing now
and to say okay we're actually going to
get involved with
with with politics and government and
and force the broken old system to
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