“Designed To Hurt Trump” - Jordan Goudreau & Operation Gideon: The Plot To Take Out Maduro | PBD 677

The bottom line is there was a civil war going on in the White House. >> What do you think is really the motive behind closed doors? >> Venezuela is to the United States what Ukraine is to Russia. Let's cut through all the narrative. He's trying to secure it for a possible escalation of of of war with Russ China. >> Even if you look at the way he's handling it right now, it's very public. They're flying over Venezuela. They're blowing up boats just to say, "Here's what we're doing." >> But I was recruited to do this to facilitate the capture of Nicholas Maduro. If you're doing this, you're essentially doing a business deal with CIA. You know the track record what it is and you know you're playing with fire. >> The highest office asks you to do something, you do it. Just like when my commanders tell me to do, I do it. >> Where would the payment come from? From whom? >> It was sold to me that the United States. >> The contract that he signed is public with you. >> It's public. >> $212.9 million over the course of the term. What's the closest you ever got to Maduro? >> I was getting reports on on on on the type of soap that he used. That's how close I was. Patrick, >> as close as you got. Did you ever have a chance where if you wanted to take him out, you could want to preface a few things before you watch this interview because it's going to be weird. You're going to see a man in a parking lot outside of a homeless shelter who was about to go to court wearing a nice suit that could be facing jail time because of the leader he was on operation uh Gideon that was supposed to go and take out Maduro and take out when I asked him take out does it mean you got to kill him? He says, "No, I'm not a mercenary. I'm not this." Although a lot of people say he's a mercenary. I told him if he's got a PMC, private military contractor, which a lot of places claimed that his company that he ran was a private military contractor. He says, "No, I'm not." Um, but he, you know, he allegedly was supposed to go out, he puts a group together of 60 guys, eight of which that get killed by Maduro. A couple of the guys end up doing time. They were supposed to do 20 years, end up doing three years in prison in Venezuela. And there was a lot of weird questions, you know, back and forth of things that happened. The names he dropped, the involvement of Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence knew about this, the CIA knew about this, you know, multiple handlers that came up, multiple meetings. He's got a contract that was signed by Juan Guyaido and others where he's sitting there in a room with the former president of Colombia and the former president allegedly for a minute of Venezuela and they agreed to pay him $212.9 million in multiple payments of finding a way to eliminate uh Maduro and eliminate to him didn't mean to kill him. Like I said, very very weird interview. They approached us. We thought about it. We agreed to do it because I believe everybody's innocent until proven guilty. And if the court thinks he's guilty, then he's guilty. But at least let's hear him out. Uh it is a very very it's such an entertaining interesting story that a documentary even just came out about him a month ago. I think the executive producer is Adam McKay that did the documentary. So having said that, I want you to know this before you watch the interview with Jordan Goodro. seconds. >> Did you ever think you would make it? I feel so taste sweet. [music] >> Adam, what's your point? >> The future looks bright. >> My handshake is [singing] better than anything I ever signed right here. [music] >> You are one of this. All right. So, we got a special uh show for you here today with Jordan Goodro. If we can see Jordan Goodro's uh uh video, Jordan is Jordan, if if you don't mind before we even get started on why you're outside in the video doing this interview. Uh you having been the person that did operation, let me just kind of tell the audience so we know. Operation Gideon, which uh in October of 2019, uh Venezuelan opposition reached out to you, Juan Guaido at that time, Guaido at that time, with an offer of $212 million uh dollars, $213 million for Silver Corp, which was, I believe, a PMC, private military contractor, uh uh to go out there and help them provide services. in doing so to uh eliminate um um Maduro which at the time even you know the US had recognized Guaido as a new president of Venezuela. all this stuff was taking place and then you had to put a team together to go out there and do this and then eventually we all saw this on TV multiple people caught the Venezuelan government announced that they had killed quite a few of them that tried to go there on I believe a couple different boats but today now we were supposed to do this live uh Jordan first of all welcome to the podcast but can you share with the audience why you're doing the podcast from a parking lot >> thanks Patrick yeah no I think the uh I mean people talk about lawfare all the time I think this is the epitome of lawfare. I have been relegated to a homeless shelter, a VA homeless shelter. Um, when I was in a hearing yesterday, the judge looked over to my attorney and Mayor Selazo, who's incredible, by the way, uh, and asked why, Mr. Gudro, why can't he just stay in an apartment? Why I have to stay at this homeless shelter, which I've been here fighting to stay here for the last, I don't know, 5 months. Um, and my attorney turned to the prosecutor and said, "Because they won't let him. They won't let him stay uh in just an apartment like a regular individual. The prosecution lost the very first bond hearing. Uh the the the lawyer who was in charge at the time, she had joked about putting, you know, Jeremy Brown and bragging about how she got Jeremy Brown in jail and another Green Beret. And they laughed about how I would be their third Green Beret that they would put in jail. the lawyer, the the the the very first prosecutor, he actually stabbed the guy in Tampa, his name was Patrick Scruggs. You can you can pull the video up. It's it's absolutely insane. And then after that, four prosecutors wouldn't touch this case for four years until a Williams and Connelly uh prosecutor under one of the Clinton prosecutors who happened just to be in middle middle district of Florida decided to take the case right before the run-up to the US election. How convenient. I am essentially a Trojan horse for the Trump administration. >> And I think listen, let me go, let me roll back to the intro and like what you what you said about Operation Gideon, >> which was never Operation Gideon, it was always operation edgemonth. >> But what I'll say about it is that's a beautiful CIA narrative. >> That's a beautiful CIA narrative. The CIA spun a tremendous narrative with the help of the AAP, with the help of Rolling Stone magazine, Vice, this documentary movie that came out. If you if you if you look at if you if you read all of that, all of those articles and from back then, I think yeah, and the Wikipedia page, yeah, I think that would be uh that's a pretty tremendous narrative. The truth, however, is encapsulated in all the documents that are in the discovery, which me and my my uh my legal team have been pouring over for the last oh, I don't know, over a year now. Uh, interestingly enough, there's a there's a journalist named Ryan Morgan who works at the Epoch Times and he he wrote an article about nine months ago that or sorry about it was probably about no nine months ago now that they won't publish because it's too damaging to I guess institutions in the United States. Uh, but the discovery speaks for itself, Patrick. Um, and let me just let me just thank you for having me on. Thank you for the courage to have to to have me on. Yeah, Jordan, if if you don't mind, just do me a favor. If you don't mind, just take it from the top. Assume the audience has no clue what we're talking about. I I I have all your stuff that you've sent. I've read all the timeline. I've read all the names being involved. I got all everything with Pompeo, with Pence, with Juan Guyaido, with with uh everybody that I've read everything you send over. Anything I can get my hands on, I've read. But take a moment and tell the audience who you are, what you did, and how you got into the situation that you're in right now. >> Right. So, so I'm not a mercenary, right? Everybody wants to say I'm a mercenary. I'm a strategist. So, let me give you the 30 secondond brief on my career. Uh, I was a I've been a soldier since I was 17. Started in the Canadian Army. Came to the American Army. Went through several selections till I got to you. I was in the CRI. I was in J- Sock units, the highest level. Um, half of my training is intelligence, however. So, a human intelligence. And while I was doing all of this, I I'm so insane and such a crazy mercenary that I was able to build three, you know, fairly profitable real estate companies. One in Germany and two two here in the United States. Um, I did all these things because I was capable. I'm a capable person. and I work hard and I have a very strong work ethic. Fast forwarding to when I leave the military, I get out and I start my company because at that time there's a lot of school shootings. I want to mitigate school shootings. It's a it's a national problem. Still is. And so I opened up a it's more of a strategy company. I'm not a PMC. I'm not I don't I don't take contracts like Eric Prince. I solve intricate problems. And I I did this when I when I left the military, for instance. Uh you know, I had a team in Hurricane Marine. about Maria hit Puerto Rico at half the island and we protected essentially AT&T personnel uh who are trying to reestablish communication through the island. And so I use negotiation skills with local cartels and gangs to just basically have them not attack my people and reestablish these communication networks. Fast forward a little bit, I get recruited by the Trump administration under Keith Schiller, who's a good friend of Donald Trump, as you know, and worked in the White House as head of White House operations. Now, here's the macro of it. This is the this is the pond that the Trump administration was swimming in at the time. The Trump administration was embattled as we're seeing now with all the documents with you know Christopher Ray and the FBI who's who's bugging congressmen like or senators like uh like like Holly and so on and so forth. I think there were eight that Russia collusion hoax was on this was on the heels of the Russia collusion hoax as well as the Mueller report which the the the FBI agent who built my case she she was part of the Mueller report investigation. So all of this is connected, but the the bottom line is there was a civil war going on in the White House. You had National Security Council, uh Mike Pompeo, Abrams, Gina Haspel, who were undermining the the commander-in-chief's intent, President Trump's intent. And we see this today. It's still playing out. But back then, the CIA would do just enough to not, I guess, come under the eye of the president, especially in Venezuela. So, we see this and I think the most definitive piece of evidence is when Mike Pompeo closes the embassy in Kacus. As you know, the CIA can't operate and can't do advanced intelligent intelligence operations without an embassy, without embassy support. And so, when this embassy is closed, it greatly restricts the CIA's ability to do anything uh in Venezuela. This is by design, right? And so I am approached by the administration to facilitate the removal of Nicholas Maduro and the the uh facilitation of fair and free elections. I do my due diligence. I go down to see if it's okay. And and might I just add, I mean, when I'm when you're recruited by the, you know, the the highest office in the land, it's not like you're going to say no, right? And so, yeah, of course I'm going to do this. Um, they did at some point want me to meet, and I want to make this very clear, they made they wanted me to meet with the president of the United States, and I refused. And it was kind of strange to me that they would want me to meet the president because one of these guys was a very astute human intelligence operative. He was part of Task Force Orange, which is the Army's advanced, it's a special mission unit. He he knew what he was doing. The other individual was a Green Beret also and he should have known better. Uh they asked me to meet with the president. I needed to deny the president deniability and that's exactly what I did. So I denied their you know request for to meet with the president and you know I don't meet with generals when I do operations. I just do the operation and I believe the people that are at that at that echelon. I of course did my due diligence with Keith Schiller. I did my due diligence with other other individuals that I was dealing with and who were making representations to me. Um, and as a product of that, I decided, okay, I have the I have the they had given me they had relayed the full authorization. >> Who is they that wanted you to meet Trump? What? Give me a specific name of they that wanted you to meet Trump. >> So, this was Drew Horn and Jason Beardsley. >> Okay. >> So, Drew Horn obviously back that time was very connected. We didn't know how connected he was until we until we started reading his emails from the discovery. Same as uh you know obviously Jason Beardsley, he's a TFO operative, but these guys were both Green Berets. I had no reason to think that a fellow Green Beret would you know would would burn me. And so I believed what they were saying. I believed Keith Schiller when I was given these representations. Uh and so I went forward. Uh, I also did my did my due diligence with the Venez the recognized Venezuelan opposition under Juan Guido. I had a signed contract with Juan Gaido, which let me just let me let me just put it this way. I was in the room with two presidents for this. How does a crazy lunatic mercenary get in the room with presidents, diplomats, strategists, geopolitical strategists, and other members of who are working in the in the US government and the Venezuelan opposition government and the Colombian governments. How does that happen? >> This is the president of Venezuela at the time. And you're saying the president of Colombia is who you're talking about who is now, I believe, a DJ >> uh somewhere in South Florida. >> At the time, yes, at the time it was Yvon Duk. Uh there's actually a really funny video where he lies on air. I went on Wradio, which is a prolific radio station all throughout South America. And I went on W Radio and I I said, "Yeah, no, he met you." I I can't remember the specifics, but we you know I I was I had him on the the cell a cell phone call with another one of the Venezuelan opposition and we discussed terms and so I had the the go-ahad from the the the US, the Colombian uh government and the uh Venezuelan opposition government under Juan Guaido. So we were cleared to do this. Is this is this the uh meeting where they agreed to $212 million and then they ended up saying they're going to give $1.5 million up front but they only gave $50,000. Is this that meeting? >> And are those numbers accurate? The two 12.9 million $1.5 million $50,000 for expenses at the beginning stages. >> So the expenses at the beginning stages they didn't care about that is that is what Randone said. But that that is that was I mean really it was a down payment on the 1.5 millia. >> It was a down payment on the one and a half. Then where does the figure 212.9 million come from? >> This figure is essentially it's it's arbitrary. It is essentially just trying to find backing for the later stages of this operation. The first stage of the operation is really supposed to be a link up. It is essentially so the way what I did like the the work that I did for a year and a half prepping this entire thing was I aggregated assets in Venezuela that were very close to Nicholas Maduro who had task and maneuver units. That is to say that they were able to to mobilize military units inside of Caracus to facilitate the capture of Nicholas Madura. Right? There was no invasion. There was no, you know, special operation crazy invasion thing. It was, this entire operation was designed to be a military coup where Venezuela essentially, and I, it's not, it's not really a coup. You're just, you're taking a recognized dictator in Nicholas Maduro and the military, the Venezuelan military are actioning. I'm just providing a bit of a catalyst and some strategy. Now, was this was this money the 212 that's thrown around is that upon completion and succeeding you're going to get that money assuming one would be in and he would have the access to that type of money to be able to pay you. Is that what the when would that payment be prompted? So this this was another meeting that I had with you know people in the White House and it was made very clear to me that the money would flow once the first part was done and the first part was quite simple. Um, my plan called for three parts, right? The first piece was just to catalyze and to have the US or sorry, the Venezuelan these Venezuelan generals do the heavy lifting. To catalyze that, I needed to have a face to face with these guys to know that I was on the level, which this is not an this is not a playbook that I came up with. this is this is the playbook for successful regime change I guess we want to call it uh or whatever like trying to oust dictators and so I I follow very simple you know followed pretty strict set of rules when I when I did this uh ultimately what would happen is Maduro would have either you know he fled the country or been replaced but really it was three individuals Tariq Alisami it was Cabo and it was Maduro back then so really the first part of the operation is to catalyze that change. Have the Venezuelan military come in and remove these the the bad leadership and then what ends up happening next is you have a counter coup. And this counter coup is where the money needs to start flowing. The you know Drew Horn recognized this. He essentially you know yes the money will flow once this first part's done. Great. I wasn't worried about the money after the fact. Um once the counter coup is complete, the counter coup bl basically is when you have other waring factions, which is largely opposition factions or you know, whoever else is going to be trying to take control once there's a power vacuum. I have enough money that I can align I can basically align with the Venezuelan military and have some of my Americans come hit the ground and be able to provide mentorship and leadership to some of these, you know, to the to the the valid uh Venezuelan military. The third stage is really just reconstruction and humanitarian, right? And and and keying up for fair and free elections in Venezuela. This was the overall plan. This was never talked about in the news because well, >> Got it. So, so, so was it. So, who was going to be paying you the 212? Where would the payment come from? From whom? >> Uh, it was sold to me that the United States, this would come from the US. Once once this is done, the money will flow. This is what was was represented to me several times by the individuals I was dealing with at the White House. >> This is a Drew Horn. The these are the two names that you me mentioned earlier, Drew Horn and Jason Beersley that promised that the money would come to you and you believe them that these guys I should believe them that the money is going to come from the White House. >> Yeah. Well, it was Drew Horn, right? So Beardsley wasn't part of those conversations. Um he was part of other conversations, but not not the money conversation. Don't you think? Don't you think if you're if you're negotiating something that big and Drew Horn is not a decision maker. So, and Drew Horn was an A to uh Pence if I'm not mistaken, right? So, if if he's an aid to Pence, you know, one may question, why would you just based on a meeting with an aid automatically believe that this is a real thing? >> Well, several things. There's a confluence of factors, right? So you have Keith Schiller telling me the exact same thing. You have full authorization from the White House. I have Drew Horn telling me you have full authorization from the White House. I have uh the contract with Juan Gaido which he's not doing anything without White House approval. I have, you know, I I have a a White House meeting between Keith Schiller and two other individuals. immediately following my meeting with Juan Gaido to or with uh the zoom meeting with Juan Guaido to sign the contract. Right? So everything and and furthermore I don't when I'm when I'm given a mission in the military I don't there's no generals that come and tell us that I don't go and talk to the general and say hey are you sure that this is authorized maybe I think you need to sign you need to sign your life. No, it doesn't work that way, right? And there there's no [sighs] And what's more is this, the president, and I don't care who the president is. I don't care if it's a Democrat president. I don't care if it's a Republican president. I don't care. The president, he's the president of the United States, and he requires deniability. Period. >> Yeah. So, so Drew and Jason are telling you that this is what we got approved that if you do this, we're going to pay this and you take on that and you believe it and you move on with the mission trusting those two guys, >> right? With several meetings, we we met several times in Washington DC. It's a bonafideed member of the the US government who has contacts in National Security Council. He you know he's he's Trump's son's good friend. Um furthermore, I I mean look this it wasn't just one meeting. It was several meetings over the course of several months. Furthermore, and and Donald Trump's I met with Donald Trump's, you know, the the the legal team of of the president, George Soral, uh Travis Lucas, who are telling me the exact same thing. No, you are good to go. A lawyer, Travis Lucas, read the contract, said, "Yeah, you're good to go." >> Okay. So, who is who is uh the highest ranking person you met with that there is documentation and exchange of them wanting you to do this? >> Several I have. Well, it's Keith Schiller, Drew Horn, Jason Beersley, um you know, Juan Gaido, that's a contract. I have several. So one guy though you have a contract signed pictures together with himact >> and the president of Colombia you have all that documented >> right >> and is that in uh if I go right now is it public? If I go and look up pictures right now of you and one guy do can I find it? >> That contract's that contract's public. >> The contract that he signed is public with you. >> It's public. >> Okay. All right. So, when when you're doing that and you're going through it, uh, at that time, uh, you know, word comes out. Um, but let me just stay on this real quick. Was what was the expectation? Was the expectation for you to do what? Was it to eliminate Maduro? What what was the expectation here? Is that is that the contract with the signatures, Rob? >> No, there there's no elimination. It's essentially just it's it's a legal action. It's just to arrest the sitting presidents which is Nicholas Maduro and put in you know the rightful presidents Juan Guyaido or you know just change leadership. >> Yeah I see the contract right here the guyaido administration silver core agreement. Rob if you want to zoom in a little bit so I can see that uh and read what it says. Can you zoom in on that thing? Therefore, in consideration of matters described above and the mutual benefits and obligations set forth the agreement the received witness is the signatures are who we have um Jordan's one of them Juan Bendon is another one Manuel I can't read it or something like that and then we have Sergio >> Vagara >> right >> who are they? So Sergio Vgara is one of the strategists for Wanaido. The Wanaido signature is on the first on the general services on the first I think it's a 12-page that's that's the longer contract. That's 48 pages or so. >> Okay, got it. So So then this happens. You guys agree, you go. What happens next? Because I see somewhere where it says it was supposed to be 300 to 800 men, ends up becoming 60 with two boats. walk me through how a mission got started, who was involved, you know, why it ended up failing. May maybe tell me what happened then. >> Yeah. So, the CIA, so in the very first meeting where I was asked to do this by Keith Schiller and members of global governments, which was the team that they were working under, Keith Schiller is no longer in the White House, although he was meeting uh the president frequently in the White House. There were there was a Venezuelan opposition strategist who was a CIA uh asset. This CIA asset I there were there were several CIA assets. this CIA asset was meeting and basically, you know, there was a secret recording with this individual and one of his compadres that I had one of my men take that essentially these individuals were, you know, bashing Trump and saying they don't they don't trust President Trump and they only trust the CIA under Juan Cruz, so on and so forth. And so these gentlemen, and I didn't know them at the time, and I didn't understand that until that recording, you know, several months later, but these individuals were I don't know what it was. It seemed like kind of a trap. They wanted to liberate their country, but they really just wanted the money from it. And so it was, you know, was it was kind of a a tricky, I guess is just a tricky obstacle course to navigate. These individuals ultimately started working with the Colombian intelligence service and the CIA outright. Um, fast forward to when my men were in the camps, they basically had the, you know, the GPS coordinates for where my men were. So when the operation launches, the regime doesn't have to do all that much, right? So the Venezuelan opposition gives the coordinates to the regime and the regime does what they do. So the the heavy lifting in the like to to come against, you know, this operation was done by the CIA, Colombian intelligence, Venezuelan opposition. >> Okay. So, um, all right. Is that it where the agreement's being said? >> Terms of agreement right there. Open it up a little bit if you can zoom in a little bit. Terms of agreement, Jordan, I don't know if you can see this or not. He's just zooming into the agreement on what it says, >> uh, which is $212.9 million over the course of the term. The amount of money needed to fulfill the first part of service provider, $50 million. All the money will be backed secured with Venezuelan barrels of oil. So, and all the monies in this agreement are in US dollars. administration agrees to pay. So the money was going to come from Venezuela, not the US government. So funny thing about USID Patrick and the funny thing about uh a lot of the CIA uh moneyed accounts that are kind of hanging out and several Fortune 500 companies under TSSCI projects in this instance it was the Renon Corporation in DC who was working with Venezuelan opposition government to do to destabilize doing low-level you know sabotage operations and whatnot refineries and so on and so forth. So yeah, perhaps on the surface it would have come from the Venezuelan government, but the truth is it would have come from the United States. >> Got it. Okay. So it comes from US, it comes from them. So in in this sense, do you think the president knows anything of what's going on at this point or do you think none of it's rolling up to him? It's just purely a Pompeo, John Bolton. These are some of the guys that, you know, of course were not on the side of Trump. Uh, do you think they're trying to manipulate this whole thing, overselling it, underelling it? What do you think is really the motive behind closed doors? >> Trap. I think it's trap, period. Uh, you know, we've seen this, you saw the J6, you saw it with Russ collusion hoax, we saw Mueller report, you've seen it with the Christopher Ray stuff, and all the all the actors were the same. And so, why not why not use this as another attempt to attack the president, right? And so the president's intent is to let's let's be honest. Let me be perfectly clear as a military strategist. Why do we need Venezuela? And yeah, it's not we don't need the oil. We need to deny oil to China, Russia in the event of another largecale war, i.e. World War II. This is evidenced by the fact that China has developed has been, you know, I think they're finished now. They've been building a a refinery capable of refining Venezuelan crude. As you know, it has higher sulfur content. We can refine it in the US. Now, China can also. And so, what we're seeing today is the president and yeah, the narrative with the the the drug stuff, that's all fine and and dandy. Venezuela is to the United States what Ukraine is to Russia. Venezuela is strategic/tactical white space for Russia, China to come over to this hemisphere, violate the Monroe Doctrine, and use Venezuela's ports, use its air facilities to stage four possible strikes on the United States. Let's just call it what it is. Let's let's cut through all the narrative, right? Same thing as Russia, Russia, Ukraine. Let's cut through all the narrative. Why does Russia Why did Russia invade Ukraine? They did it because they want to deny whites space tactical strategic white space to NATO. I.e. they don't want their neighboring country to have an influx of NATO war material/weapons lab whatever. Why is President Trump wanting to secure NATO or wanting to secure Venezuela? He's trying to secure it for fall for for at the national strategic for a possible escalation of of of war with Russ China. So here's if you ask me why the CIA and why Mike Pompeo and Gina Haspel and Christopher Ray and all these bad actors, why did they undermine the you know the President Trump who made a valid action? The valid action is, hey, let's do a bloodless uh change of leadership in Venezuela and let's adhere to the Monroe Doctrine versus what's happening now, which is let's invade. Four years ago was better. Four years ago, Venezuela's generals would have policed Venezuela. They would have taken out the tyrannical Nicholas Maduro and he would have been replaced in fair and free elections. Fast forward to today, we're looking at invasion, right? So, how many US lives is that going to cost? I don't know. Are there hypersonics in Venezuela? How many forces how many Russia China forces are there? Can we establish air superiority? Like, the short answer is yes. That's that's beyond the scope of this discussion. But for the United States, yeah, I'm pretty sure we're going to be able to we have the most powerful military force on the planet. What what I'm hearing you're saying is you then then what you're saying is you supported >> if this was a Pompeo Pence plan to do a bloodless operation using you guys which led to six to eight people getting killed. You know a couple guys I think it's Aaron Barry and Luke Denman. Uh apparently they went to jail for what 20 years in Venezuela. >> No no they're out. They're out. They went to jail for three years >> and they were in Venezuela. They're in Venezuela >> and and so Maduro released them. >> Maduro released them. >> So this the part where it gets tricky where some people don't believe anything with this operation. Uh where all of this was an act to use as a sign of strength from Maduro to manipulate against Juan because you have to realize ever since then Juan at one point was a rockar. If I'm not even mistaken, President Trump was given a speech and he had one stand up or if he had, you know, he had him in one of the I don't know what it was. If it was a u >> right, I remember that. So, everybody was like, "Yeah, he was already recognized by other countries as the president of Venezuela." Yeah, that's one right there. Rob, you just pulled it up. >> Uh uh, is that the one? Watch president >> at the State of the Union. >> At the State of the Union right there, if you want to play it. Um, >> that's why my administration reversed the failing policies of the previous administration. >> Can you fast forward to see Keep going, keep going, keep going to Right there. Right when you see the No, no. When you see the spike on it, keep going. Keep going. Keep going. That's when he probably stands up. >> The true and legitimate president of Venezuela. >> There you go. >> Juan Guyaido. Mr. President, please take this message back to your [applause] Okay, you can pause it right there. So that happens and today Wana is just a regular guy, >> right? >> He he went from there to just being a regular. He'll walk in the airport, nobody even wants to talk to him anymore. >> He's no longer the hero that he was supposed to be. So some people are saying maybe this whole thing was a, you know, was a setup. Maybe this whole thing was a a lot of people don't trust if I ask 10 people, eight of them are going to say there's something very fishy going on here, Jordan. >> That's what people say. That just doesn't sound right. >> Right. So, here's the right. The narrative I I agree. The narrative that has been spun is it's completely fishy and none of the discovery supports it. Let me do you one better. The president of the United States was embattled. We know this because of all the investigations that are going on right now. You know, I think Tulsi Gabbard just came out talking about how uh oh, what was it? You know, so the intelligent or uh FBI agents were, you know, bugging members of Congress or whatever it was. I am nobody. One guy know in the large scheme of things is nobody. These bad actors, why are they coming after me? Like why? The judge even said it. Why are we Why are you going after this guy? It's been 4 and a half years at my arraignment. This was a year ago. Nobody can understand why it was so imperative to get a guy like me didn't take me to trial. And here's why. Because the implications for the for the for the president of the United States are you being used as a political weapon. Political weaponization. This entire operation and they call it Operation Gideon. It wasn't Operation Gideon. It was It was always operation edge. But I digressed. This entire operation was designed to embarrass the president. And look at the fallout, right? The president was implicated in CNN and AP and all of these other publications. So back then we had a US aligned president in Brazil. We had a US aligned president in Colombia. Um, after this happened with Juan Ga in the fallout, now you have leftists in Brazil and in Colombia who are working with China and Russia. If you ask me why the CIA would want to destabilize the United States, I don't. If you ask me why Mike Pompeo and uh Christopher Ray and Gina Haspel would want to would want to not adhere to the the uh, you know, the Monroe Doctrine, you'd have to ask them that. But they did it. Uh, I think maybe attacking Trump was higher on their priority list. Maybe they thought in the aftermath that uh I don't know, maybe they could figure it out with, you know, South America. I I'm not too sure about the strategy because it was terrible. >> Yeah. But I mean, don't you think don't you think that the leftist like when when when AP came out and AP said after investigation found no evidence that the US approved invasion of US officials uh uh and US officials have denied having any role in it. So this is AP. AP is dying to find something to destroy Trump. >> They're not. The AP is dying to protect the the CIA. They will always prioritize the agency over the president. And what they realized is that the discovery points directly back to the CIA. So when you look at the reporting on this, you know, when the reporting is it's like the Trump, it's like the the Iraqi invasion, right? when the when the reporting is bipartisan and it's like yeah we need to invade the fix is in right and so with this reporting this was pulled out of the news immediately right it was in the it was up for three days back then it was during co but it taken out of the news cycle immediately this has been the most heavily suppressed story of the last four years nobody wants to tell this story this movie came out it's a neon movie and Neon's a prolific producer knows about that movie they didn't promote it was in the theater for one week and they didn't promote it. Right. This story I you the movie was CIA funded. Um >> which movie are you talking about? Men of War. Is that >> Exactly. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Right. It was at Toronto Film Festival. So I I'm not saying that the movie is an accurate representation of what happened because it's it has several flaws, uh terrible flaws. But you have to ask yourself where the funding came from. >> Adam Mccay Adam McKay was the executive producer of the movie. >> Sure. Yeah. Nobody knows. Nobody knows what this movie is. The other part is this and this is really important to understand. There are factions in the Venezuelan opposition. Juan Gaido is not the faction leader. He's just a guy who's who's ase people are able to throw away. The real leader of the opposition is a guy named Lo Lopez who has other CIA ties. He's got state department ties. Look, Leapole de Lopez has the ability to go and talk to Mike Pompeo directly and get people taken off the sanctions list. I know that because I read about it. I read about his strategist speaking with Mike Pompeo and Elliott Abrams and just having them got people like uh you know Figureroa who was the head of the Sabine who's a torturer and they just pulled him off the sanctions list and then they you Forbes wrote an article about him saying he was he's a the picture of what a Venezuelan should be. Meanwhile, he came from torturing I don't know how many thousands of Venezuelans. So this whole story is it is a CIA narrative driven. >> Yeah. I mean what Trump said about this, he said this was a freelance amateur hour. If the US wanted to invade Venezuela, it would be a large official and uh military action. He you know and and even if you look at the way he's handling it right now, it's very public. They're not they're flying over Venezuela just to say this is what we're capable of doing. They're blowing up boats just to say here's what we're doing. It's to the point where Maduro in his own sarcastic way, he probably doesn't want this because if they do, they know they can cause them to fall. Some people are for it. A lot of people may be against it. Uh because it's another one of those, you know, we're coming in as mercenaries to replace you and put you in a different place, but it's public and it seems it seems more aligned with Trump's way of doing things. When when Trump took out Gasam Solmani, he was very public about it. when when Trump took out a lot of even in his first term, he was very public about it. I don't know how much of this matches his um his style of doing things. I don't know. >> Well, here's the deal. I I I don't know. I can't speak to that. But he was a sitting president. He was new, right? And so when you're a new president, you don't you're not really going to understand the the the uh I guess the the tools in your toolbox. And so one of those tools if you if you come to the president and look the president's a smart guy, you're a business guy, president's a smart guy. If I come to you with the choice that look, we can lose a lot of American lives and we can make this really bloody or I say to the president, you know what, let's make it bloodless. We'll uh we'll get some guys who know how to do this and we'll we'll try to get the CIA to do it. They won't do it. So let's get somebody in who's private and then let's go with that option. I'll take the other option where it's bloodless. >> What's the closest you ever got to What's the closest you ever got to Maduro >> in terms of >> how close did you guys get this? This is this is how close I had his breakfast. I knew his who his driver was going to be that day. I knew names of his personal Cuban strike for uh uh bodyguards. How close was I? I don't know. I could probably I was getting reports on on on on the type of soap that he used. That's how close I was. Patrick, I >> if if you wanted to, >> you know, and this is this is why I got that close because it's my job to get that close. And in military special operations, in our human intelligence programming, we're better than the CIA. We just do it better. We just do it better. And it took me a year and a half to get that access and placement. So yeah, I was close. I >> if you wanted to, as close as you got, did you ever have a chance where if you wanted to take him out, you could? >> Yeah, sure. Probably. But you have to understand that like I I I don't I am not that's assassination, right? You understand? I don't deal in a s I I'm a strategist. I want to do the simplest. >> But how would you do it a strategist? You're going to come out and say Maduro, hold my hand. Let's walk out of this building and I want you to give up. You think how do you do it? How do you do peacefully? >> And look, I understand the cognitive dissonance. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> But you have to understand the the world is not everything in America and there are other pieces to when we talk military, right? So it's it's essentially I need to get three people, not just one. It's not enough that I get Madura, I have to get Cabo, I have to get Tariq, I have to get all three, which means I need access placement to all three. Right. And then coordinating operation. >> Get mean. What does get mean? >> No. What does get mean? >> Captured or put pressure on. Whether they flee or not is completely fine. I don't care if somebody flees. I didn't care if they flee. I just wanted them out. But there's something with assassination that I you look, you saw the Charlie Kirk, right? Is that something that you would want to be remembered for? What happened with No, I'm not an assassin. I just want countries to police themselves, right? And I want to advise people in those countries how to do it. And if I can facilitate the connection of the military establishment around Maduro and incentivize them to do that, I'm going to do that. And that is all the plan was. So, okay, a big difference between Charlie Kirk and Maduro. Charlie Kirk was a regular guy going out there selling how amazing America is and God is and Maduro is a dictator. Your words what you said earlier. So, that that's >> substitute JFK. Let's substitute JFK for for Charlie Kirk. >> I I would still say JFK is a I understand what you're saying. I don't want to I don't want to beat a dead horse on this one. Like to shake I'm not trying to >> uh go into uh uh saying that, but uh go let's go back to it. So you got close to him, as close as you wanted to to get him and a couple of his associates. Is this where the motive became? Why don't we put a big bounty to be able to take him out? Because with a bounty, his own people can get excited and come close and we can pay him 15 million bucks. Is that kind of what part of the strategy was? let me get his own guys to turn against him. >> Well, that's the whole strategy, right? Like that is that is a military coup in essence. And so when you said before that the president really just wanted to do the well, he didn't do that, right? He chose this this option. And so he chose to do the smart option, which is yes, to use people around Maduro to capture him and solve their own problem. Right? And this was evidenced by the April 30th rebellion that failed because they didn't have military. They didn't have access and placement that I did. They didn't have the mil, you know, Leapole Lopez didn't have the military. They just didn't. I didn't. Okay. Um, right. Uh, in the other part that I pull up with you with what's going on. Apparently, there is uh uh and please correct this. that says there you you're charged right now with 14 counts in US federal indictment, conspiracy to violate export laws, smuggling goods from the US and in violations of arms core uh control acts and a couple other things that you have. What are you what are you in court for? Because I know you said we were supposed to do this live that if something goes wrong, you can go to jail in the next few hours. What what are you facing today? >> I've been fighting to get I've been fighting to get to trial. The whole fight is get to trial and stay free. their whole the only way and they they know this. The only way they win at trial is if I'm in jail. That's the only way they win. And they've been trying ever since to get me in jail. This is why I'm living in a homeless shelter right here. This is why I just can't go out and get an apartment. Uh I have the ankle monitor. I'm not allowed. I I mean I I I do business strategy for uh a local ranch that's trying to monetize. So I'm helping them uh you know pro bono. I'm just you know volunteering because if I don't I'll go insane. Um, this is all part of the the the you know, I the trial as a I I can't wait. I look forward to it. Let's go. This part where they're threatening to put me in jail and they're threatening to do all these terrible things to me. This is the part that's like, you know, I I as a soldier, I fought for the Constitution and, you know, I I understand how I've been framed in the media, but let's let's be honest, I fought for the country for 18 years, the GIWAP. And I wasn't just, you know, a truck driver or, you know, a nurse. I was a spe tip of the spear special force operator. I saw my friends get shot to pieces. I've had my buddy's brains all over my face. And I'm sitting at the VA right here who's tried to kick me out three times, right? I mean, I So, yeah, man. I'm in a fight. I'm the guy in the ring who's taking the blows. And thank God for my my attorney. She's a beautiful Cuban woman and she's fighting incredibly hard for me. But nobody else is, right? I mean, everybody comes for you, your friends, and nobody stands with you because everybody's so terrified of the federal government. It's uh it's unbelievable. So, this stage of the game, it's stay out of jail so that I can get as much classified information as I can from them because if I'm in jail, I'm no longer incentivized to get classified information. And they know that the only way they win is to put me in jail. And I've I it's been a year and a half. I haven't run. I'm not a danger to the community. I'm certainly not a flight risk. You know, I'm here. So they're they're fighting me, right? You know, they fought yesterday, they fought us, and they're fighting us today to try to put me in jail. >> They charge it. Look, the old Yeah. >> Who's the highest ranking, most influential person in the world that is vouching for you and has your back? >> Most influential person. I don't I'm a soldier, Patrick. I don't [laughter] >> No, but do you know what I'm asking? What I'm what I'm asking is >> who who from the left, the right business, somebody who was a general, a three star in the military that was on the, you know, uh, trenches with you, that's that knows you, that trusts you, who is out there coming out saying, "Guys, this is a good guy. Leave him alone. I can vouch for him." >> Yeah. Great. There's a colonel. His name is Colonel DJ Reyes. He actually has a courage to stand up, you know, he actually has a courage to talk to, you know, members of the court and say, "Hey, listen. I mean, this guy's doing great. This guy has is giving people jobs even though he's living I'm living in a homeless shelter and, you know, I think they thought I was going to go over there and I don't know. I am a business strategist. I I I I'm in a day-to-day basis, you know, uh mentoring a CEO and a COO and a human. I scale all through that company and here I'm living in a homeless shelter. This is it's cognitive. I've never you know it's unbelievable. And so DJ Reyes is basically saying he's a good guy. I I don't understand why he can't live in an apartment, you know. Oh, because it's lawfare because I'm tied to the northern, you know, they they put some conditions on me. And this is not the judges. This is the prosecution. I was I should be just lit, you know, be being able to go out. I can't go out every day. I'm confined. I'm I do my runs around this VA building. I wear ranger panties and I'm, you know, and I I I work out and I do my push-ups. That's the tree that I that I use is like a a boxing tree, you know, I fought for the Constitution. I didn't fight for this, right? But people don't understand it until you're part of this system. I do think there are good judges. I've seen it. Um, but the fact that [clears throat] these prosecutors, you they they've packed the courtroom yesterday. One of these one of these prosecutors was the the original prosecutor who talked about Green Berets. I've I've locked up, you know, two Green Berets. This is going to be my third. She was furious when my my lawyer got me bonded. Furious. So, she came back. She's not even a lawyer. She was in the stands yesterday along with all the FBI agents who, to be honest, they should be tried for treason. They knew my Green Beretss. They knew those guys, Luke and Aaron, were in grave danger. They knew I aborted the mission and you know what the FBI did? >> They violated ICD 191. That's a fail. That's a duty to warn that they had and they didn't do it. And there were American lives at risk. You know what they did? They just kept reporting it up to the CIA. So yeah, I mean the narrative is uh but I digress. Look, >> end of the day. >> Yeah. and and right now with where you're at cuz I got this as well from uh uh Escalo Law uh Marisel which is the beautiful lawyer you're talking about. >> She's phenomenal. >> Yeah, she uh did did you are you asking the government for a pardon? >> I think she is certainly. Yeah. I mean I I I look I'm not a lawyer. She does whatever she needs to do. Uh we're going to fight it either way. I mean, she she's a brilliant trial lawyer. You know, I I I'm not worried about it going to trial. I'm more worried about them trying to put me in jail because I'm a obviously I'm a flight risk because, you know, >> Yeah. You know, in in in um in situations like this, this is a very weird story. When when when uh my guy came up to me, he says, "Pat, you know, do we want to do the story or not?" And we sat there, we looked at it, we thought about it, and we said, "Well, let's give it a shot and see what's in this, what's in this story. It's very, very suspect. It's very strange. It's very uh uh weird. It's very, but there is that ounce of possibility of Pompeo and Bolton and Pence who couldn't stand uh, you know, what Trump was doing and they kind of looked at him as this guy's not a president. We know what we're doing. We're in here. We are politicians. We are governors, you know, pen. So, we are, you know, folks who have been in this thing for a while and we know what we're doing. And who is he to come and tell us, you know, we're going to just tell him what to do? We're going to manage him because they looked at President Trump as a possible President Bush. Uh, and you know, Pompeo was maybe looking at himself as being a Dick Cheney or whatever role you want to put it that I want to be able to be the puppet master and tell him what to do. But it ended up being that President Trump was the alpha of the alphas and they couldn't fool him and he kind of came out and figure it out and on the first term. So that is the small 5% I give to this 10% I give to this that they try to you know pin it against him and the establishment tried to hurt him in their own way and then didn't succeed then and they used co to get rid of him and then he came back uh and they came up against a very unique guy that wasn't willing to give up against these guys. >> Yeah. Well, when you read the discovery, that 5% turns more into about 95%. The discovery is I mean, like I said, this journalist has been trying to get published forever. And you know, he this is this is the this is the quintessential to fix his because all the evidence is there. It supports everything I'm saying, you know, and that's undeniable. But nobody will have very few podcasters that will have me on because I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. I'm caught between, like, and I know you, Patrick, you you love the president. You're gonna protect the president no matter what. Great. And I'm caught between the the the people on the left who are protecting the CIA and protecting, you know, the Mike Pompeo and all the individuals who put this thing in motion. So, what does that leave for somebody like me? You know, I I like I said, I'm a patriot. I fought for the country for decades, and everybody wants to say, "Thank you for your service, but nobody's willing to stand next to me." >> Yeah. I mean, and look, we are responsible for things that we do. You know, I have agree four kids. So, if you screwed up, you're going to be held held accountable to it. So, you didn't get into this situation accidentally. So, I I'm I I >> I don't want to sit here and, you know, you get you get we get judged in life for the decisions that we made. We get judged in life for putting things in the right way. And sometimes we screw up. Nobody makes 100% right decisions. And you see an opportunity, you took it, and you're now here. And it's an unfortunate place to be, but this is a byproduct of decisions that we make. Having said that, I am fully for innocent until proven guilty. And may uh may God have mercy on you and while you're going through this next phase. And uh if if things come out the right way, God willing, somebody will come out and support you and help you out. >> Yeah, I think that uh at the end of the day, you know, you I am I should have known that the CIA was doing this. I should have known that I would have been thrown under the bus by the individuals who were working with the president. Um, but I was recruited to do this. I made that decision. I made that determination because I'm a soldier and when the highest office asks you to do something, you do it. Just like when my commanders tell me to do, I do it. That's that that's what being a soldier is. and without guys like me. >> But I think maybe that uh >> there's a difference though. There is a difference. >> There's no difference. >> I my my opinion. No, no, my opinion. You you you don't have to agree with my opinion, but >> if I pull up right now, what is Silver Core? It doesn't say consulting firm. It doesn't say strategy firm. It's a PMC. >> It's not. >> But but if you go if you go >> I don't have access to Sorry. I don't have access to that website. Somebody else does. I don't have I I don't get to write the Wikipedia page. The CIA guys, do I don't >> What's the difference between you and a what Eric Prince did? We've had him on the podcast as well. What's the difference between the two? >> This is the big difference. The difference is Eric Prince, he had a mercenary invasion force ready to go. I had assets with access and placement in Venezuela. >> Okay, >> who weren't going to kill anybody. They were just going to turn on military units and have the Venezuelan military do the work. That's the difference. It's the difference in cost of lives. Mine costs no lives. Eric Prince's and PMC's costs thousands. Hundreds of thousands. >> Wow. >> That's the difference. >> Apparently, eight of eight of your people died. >> They did. Eight Venezuelans died. >> Yeah. Eight of the people died. And uh uh again, remember this. I'm not here taking sides or anything, but what I'm saying is when you say when when when I'm being told what to do when you have I was a, you know, I was in the army. I was not the I was the guy that was going to go to fifth group and be 18 Delta because I spoke five languages and I was going to go to DI and go to Venza Italy because that's where I wanted to go to. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be Delta and last minute I got out and I went into business. I love the military. I was at the 1001st Airborne. it. When you're in the military, yes, you signed the contract to do that, but when you're a PMC, it's a business decision you're making because you're getting paid for it. So, it's a different deal. And so, Eric [snorts] Prince, if I if I look at Eric Prince's contracts, if I'm not mistaken, Rob, I I think he had $600 million of dealings of what he did with CIA. I I I want to say a big number of his uh revenue came from the Maybe I'm off by a couple hundred million, but uh can you pull up to see 600? Yeah, there you go. Blackwater secured uh $600 million in classified contracts from the CIA for security support and other operations. You're if you're doing this, you're essentially doing a business deal with CIA. You know the track record what it is and you know you're playing with fire. You know what could happen at any point. >> My company started as a company that was going to solve the school shooting problem. Period. That's how it started. I templated school school shooting like active shooter mitigation in several schools in Florida after, you know, all those school shootings were happening. My company was not a PMC. As much as the media, as much as the the Wikipedia, as much as you want to say it was, it was not a PMC. It was never designed for that. I it was designed to solve. >> Were any Were any of your 60 guy Were any of your 60 guys that you had to go on this mission pre-millitary guys? >> Sure. >> That's a private military. >> That's a private military contractor. >> Negative. That's not That is not I took all all the private military guys that I brought or sorry all of the soldiers that I took Yeah. >> that were with me in >> Puerto Rico. We were not a PMC. We were just protecting people. >> I know. But in this mission, I'm not talking to Puerto Rico. In this mission, and by the way, >> do you think I I think of PMC's as a negative thing? >> Like, you must not know me well enough. I am supporter of PMC. >> No, no, no. What I'm saying to you is I I've multiple times on the podcast I've said, I think we need PMC's to have a direct competition because some PMC's can do a better job than the other guys can. I I I am I am I am for PMC, so I don't look at PMC in a bad way. I just know that if you're a PMC, you got to know what you're getting yourself into and what types of people you doing business with and how to protect yourself. So, if I'm if I'm going into the PMC business, probably my best friends are having some of the most expensive decorated lawyers in the world to protect me that know how to deal with the government >> cuz cuz when hits the fan, >> they're not going to come to save you. There's a reason why they deal with PMC. So, I'm you you're taking me saying PMC in a negative way. I don't see PMC in a bad in a negative way. I only see PMC in a negative way >> is because your customer is the CIA in many cases. >> Sure. No, no doubt. That said, >> trying to basically say that, well, you know, you're a PMC should have had all these lawyers. I I when I back when I started, I wasn't, >> you know, I didn't have all the money to have all these lawyers. That said, several lawyers actually read the contract. I had three lawyers reading the contract. Yeah, >> you know, I mean they the contract was valid. >> Yeah. >> So, and look, I'm not a PMC. There was no this this whole notion that we were some mercenary outfit who did a military action with guys in fishing boats. That's just doesn't that doesn't hold water. I mean, the the the proof of it is in the discovery, which >> look, let me tell you what I what I don't like is everybody is someone's son. Everybody. and the son. Parents are in pain watching their son or daughter go through, you know, the hardship that they're going through. I'm sure you got relatives that are watching you right now going through this and they're probably praying for you. They don't want to see this thing happen to you. They don't want to see you go through this challenge and you're in a pretty shitty place right now. And you know, it looks like you got a lawyer that's working for you, which probably is the most important person cuz I don't know if she's getting paid right now. So, if she's going out of her way helping you out, kudos to whoever this lawyer is. I don't know who this lawyer is. So, good for her for helping you out and doing what you're doing. And for you, you look like a CEO, man, dressed up. Look at the way you got even the nice collar shirts you got on, you know, a nice guy that I'm sure if you know, those decisions weren't made. By the way, if you had to go back and that opportunity came up to to do uh with you signing on with Guaido and and all these other guys, what would you have done differently >> if that opportunity came about? Would you have done it again >> to liberate 30 million people? I was part of the that that unit you said fifth group. I was in 18 Delta in fifth group. >> You were in 18th fifth group. >> Yeah. I went to Delta selection and everything. You know what? You know the motto is the Green Berets. It's the oppressor Lee Bear. Free the oppressed. So you want to ask me right now? I'm at the VA in the parking lot. You know being Yeah. Liberate 30 million people. Yep. I would do that again. Sure would. Now, what would I have done different? There's a lot of variables that look, I understand that you you give a lot of broadstroke to the CIA and well, you should have known about the CIA, but listen, a guy like me, I've worked with the CIA. I worked with them in Iraq and Afghanistan. I've never been burned by them, right? But when I don't have the data from the White House, and I don't I I I'm reading about how there was a civil war in the White House at that point. I didn't have that data back then. We do the best we can. So would I have changed things? Sure. But did I make any huge mistakes? I don't think I did. Am I responsible for it? Absolutely. I take a 100 responsibility 100% responsibility for what happened because yeah, I should have I should have known that the CIA would have moved against us, right? I should have done intelligence, you know, had people in the White House doing intelligence spy. But what you're talking about, David, is insane, right? You're saying that I need to spy on the spy agency in the United States in order to do a job that president is circumventing the CIA. >> The reason I was was was recruited was so that the president could circumvent what the CIA wasn't doing. The CIA wasn't doing the job. And so, the president needed another option. We were that option, >> right? >> I don't know what I could have done, better or worse. I did the best I could as a soldier. >> Jordan, any final things you want to share with the audience before we wrap up >> and I don't know. I think uh I think we covered it. I I think that at the end of the day, it's like a lot of what I signed on for in the Constitution I believe to be incorrect because of all the laws that have degraded it. But the biggest thing I can say is this. Going to war has nothing to do with the country you're in or flags or documents that are written in books. It's about guys to the left and the right of you and the people who show up for me now. Cuz I'm not a popular guy. I'm infamous, right? I'm this this terrible guy who's you know the all the terrible stories are written about. But you know who your friends are when the people the left and right of you show up and they're not the people who you think they're going to be. And uh I appreciate you having me, Patrick. Takes courage to tell this story. >> Yeah. I I I wanted to hear the story. By the way, for for the craziest I'm gonna ask you the craziest question that you are not expecting. You ready? >> What are you doing this interview on where the audio is this clear and you're outside? [laughter] >> Well, your guy said, "Look, I I wish I was there in person, but your guy said you need a better, you know, camera." And so, uh I had somebody bring me a better camera. What is it? What is it? A camera? Is it an audio? Is it an iPad? >> It's like a little camera. No. No. It's a camera that I'm putting on my my iPad. My uh my computer. >> And is the audio coming from I I listen. >> Yeah. >> I wish I could tell you how sick the audio is. Do you agree, Rob? >> Yeah. It's really good for being outside. >> I'm so amazed. Can you afterwards send a picture of the camera and send it to our guys? Because you're outside. I haven't heard a single noise with those cars driving and I see the things in the back. I don't hear anything with wind. So, whatever product this is, maybe this could be an endorsement opportunity. >> I I I tell you what, like I'm running on I'm running on a clock and I have to go empty out my little my little room here at the the homeless shelter and throw it in my buddy's car cuz we got to get to the courthouse in case I go to jail today. >> Well, once I finish >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Send that over to us. We'd love to know. But obviously, I'm having fun with you. But but at the same time, uh it's it's probably not the most exciting day for you for what you have to do, but I'm sure you're praying. May God be with you, buddy. >> C can I just say one more thing, >> please? >> I'm wearing a suit in a hole in the shelter. Yeah. But never forget who you are. Never. Never let anybody tell you who you are. The only person who can tell you that is you. And you're right. God determines everything in my life. and uh and whatever path he's got me on, whether I go to jail, whether I stay free, that's okay. 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