DEI Wars, Trump’s Bible & The Masculinity Vote - Ryan Long

oh you know what else Chris yes um I I probably would never do this on a podcast but I made a couple notes of things I'm going to say because yeah well because you know you're probably one of the most people that you kind of remind me of you know some of my like closest friends in home word it's always like trying to get to the bottom of something you know what I mean so I felt like I have a good couple good theories that oh I [ __ ] love this you came prepared yeah also well we've talked about this already but I said your stuff that you post a lot of times feels very much directed for me like I'm the exact like you know I'm the one target audience being seen what was the what was one of the ones that that's happened with probably the most ever is cuz the idea that you know hard work you can't always just like hard work your way out of a problem and I think you know you become so accustomed to this is how I you know Excel over people and then you're like well everyone's talented at a certain level and then also these problems aren't that and then on top of that adding creativity into that is like even worse right because and some sometimes standup it's like it it almost feels silly when I'm just like what might be the work is like you need to just like sit there and think yep stare at the ceiling for a while yeah you're like this is crazy right yep yeah yeah so but you have to and you're like well how do you like how do you rationalize all those things of like I'm trying to work hard but at the same time this isn't a problem that just requires more work I think creativity is one of these really unique domains that sit it's outside of like there's very few problems in life that working harder won't make a bit better some yeah but one of them but you've usually a lot times you've maxed that out I guess yeah you're already foot to the floor going as hard as you can yeah that's not the issue you're not like lazy right so I I've uh been trying to write this for ages and I'll see if this makes sense to you so I've been thinking about you know type A people and type B people yeah so people that are sort of insecure overachievers that work too hard and then the sort of lazy people that need to get off the couch been really trying to sort of worked this out so uh type A problems type B problems I think type A people have a type B problem and type B people have a type a problem insecure overachievers need to learn how to chill out and relax and lazy people need to learn how to work harder and be disciplined given you subscribe to me I'm going to guess you're a type a person a kind of walking anxiety disorder harnessed for productivity as Andrew Wilkinson says type A people get no sympathy because a miserable but outwardly successful person always appears to be in a much more preferential position than a type B person being lazy but on the verge of bankruptcy goggin and hosi style advice reliably makes everyone more successful in the only way that you can get judged outwardly but there aren't many issues in life which can't be solved by just working hard a little bit so everyone just smashes it with a hammer but for a certain perhaps minority cohort of people they actually need to hear the opposite we need like a parasympathetic Goggins like hashr harder than me and that's the creativity piece I'd probably even go a little further than that where if you are a type A person you're not going to respond to the idea of like well you just need you just need to be more like you need a reason yeah you need a reason you need so I think and I think the reason is if you were like to really boil it down it was that the like great ideas come from you know making connections between things and you need the and so a lot of times you're building those like Connections in your brain that you could now like use whereas a lot of times you're out of connection so you're kind of you know what I mean so your brain it's not just you need to like rest it's that you need to you know reig your inputs and like centralize them but then again you know there was kind of a you know in this stuff which I again I'm not to keep complimenting you obviously we're friends but like I uh whatever this is you do I think you're one of the best at whatever you call it [ __ ] talking but there there's kind of like when you're talking about the amount of uh um like connection that you can have that's why in a lot of ways like the smartest people aren't good at creativity some ways I think so if you talk about you know why are why are like the best comedians in the world not just the smartest people okay for example or the best artists A lot of times and you know obviously you could say well it's because you know there's better options available to them and whatever right but still though you know there'll be there's people that we probably know mutual friends they're like you go they're two people and you go this is the smarter one and this is the guy's funnier so it's not just career wise right and I think the reason is is and a lot of times it sits at you know like 120 to 140 IQ or probably like a lot of times top comedians are cre creative people and you know there's probably some smaller less iy ones but the reason is at a certain level the more connections you have in your brain you need to make shortcuts because it's exponential right so if you're 20% smarter or 40% smarter that's actually not 40% more connections that's you know 8,000 times however many maybe and at that level of connections it starts to you know multiply in a way that you're that by millions more connections right what would you say to the type a person listening that wants to become more creative like you work hard even though it might not seem like it from the outside even though you might seem like you're like sort of just I think the first step is to to understand like whether that actually is the goal you need to be creative yeah because I think some people probably you know think they want to be creative and they're like well you actually don't there's so much like sacrifice for that you know what I mean it's like sexier but it's also less like financially and every other way rewarding in general you know that's interesting I I agree with you and I do think that the like hard work the creativity being sexy because it it seems like I know you're a LOF you're an artist you know you're like [ __ ] Salvador DOI with the toiling his mustache but there's another bit I think where everyone prays at the altar of the Goggins the Joo the 4:30 a.m. cattle Bell swings and stuff and I've never heard any of those guys talk about where they like embrace the muse from I'm not hearing Joo talk about like you know my creativity spoke down to me from above as I went for a slow walk through a meadow like that's not I'm not hearing that so I I think that there is a a real place for the conversation about creativity where does sort of artistic inspiration come from coming up with solutions that aren't more of the same but a genuinely novel and different to the problem that you've maybe been facing for ages especially when you're talking about content though cuz that's the other part about is like creativity really for a lot of people that are running businesses where they're putting out tons of content like you know there's that kind of uh I think James aljer had like a really good point about Jim Kramer where he was kind of like you know know people joke about him being like wrong a lot and they've got the index but he was like he was a really good he was really good at being you know a hedge fund manager and he was like one of the top guys it's like yeah but you know Warren Buffett has three ideas a year you know what I mean where it's like if you got to have 10 ideas every day like well they're not going to be good or they're going to be bored which is kind of like I think you know a lot of times I'll you know when I'm doing stand up I'll be like okay let me I'll spend you know maybe two full days kind of like thinking and I have a lot of systems that I'll do I'll be like okay go through these words and I go through all stuff then I kind of you know whatever I have whatever weird systems that I have to do and I'm like at the end of that week if I have like two really good ideas that's a lot it's so cool and some people are like oh I have eight eight 80 things to say a day you're like well okay you didn't make them up yes they've been adapted by somebody else that's straight stolen from somebody else I mean it's cool in any industry I think where you get paid for the quality of your ideas not the volume of your ideas so I mean I know that you can't just tell one joke and walk off stage so there is like a volume component but really what people are looking for I mean how long did Rogan's last special like from his from special to special it's like six years or something right so he does and obviously yeah it's like a luxury position in some way he can do what he wants but still I don't mean just him I mean it's a luxury position in some way is to yeah cuz it's I guess to some degree I kind of heard people say that but some of degree you're like duh yeah yeah obviously I'd rather be paid for my one good idea than yes yeah than pump [ __ ] tons of bad ones but you're like how do you get there your new special you have to be insanely leveraged essentially correct yeah so what you're doing is you're looking to get paid for the quality of your ideas not the quantity of your ideas and also to have a really good idea give you a huge return which is the Buffett approach right it's like I don't know I think some absurd amount of his net worth percentage wise has come from like five decisions it's less than 10 decisions Coca-Cola was one of them I think Apple was another one of them something else something and he yeah that's the position but to go back to original point then so now in like people making content and all this stuff like what is that you know the it's the guy running the company that's who it is you know what I mean who gets paid for his one big decision because the other thing you're like well yeah you could like there doesn't exist the only you know when you describe the like artist who kind of exists in terms of like every once in a while he pops up with one great thing those people are all like Legacy people that are left over from like or not left over they're still around from a different era where it was different you think that you need to grind more and sort of well I guess there's like maybe in movie industry or books there's people that kind of do that but I I don't even even need to it's just like it's kind of like set up that way right now that's a really great Point yeah that uh it's just like the game's the game a little bit right now yeah that's such a good point the the world really is sort of rewarding the pace that people can pump stuff out at uh and obviously if it's total crap it doesn't matter but there's people who are uh prolific from their volume at like an okay quality way more than people that are prolific from their quality at like a pretty can your like 90% be really funny yes but there's another the tension obviously between creativity and uh the quantity of your work is that you need to do quite a lot of reps or or Publications or tweets or writings or whatever it is drawings of your thing to be able to determine what's good and what's not you have to take tons of shots at goal I mean unless you're some Savant that was just gifted to play the guitar like a I don't know a genius from birth or whatever but you need to write a ton of songs in order to work out that they're not good and then you can create something which really is good and then you can allow the creativity to sort of no now it speaks through me and I can just be Rick rubben and like you know wear glasses pop up do something awesome and [ __ ] off again even when you you know that that kind of I was think of that a lot in terms of like you know the Drake Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West and kind of rappers or musicians that have kind of been around forever where you you kind of are like you know they were when you think of like a young virtuoso and why you know why is like a young person generally better than an older person at music and it was like well because you're kind of a collection of a culture that you were like a part of you know in the start when you were in grade six or whatever you're part of that music so it's like you were a part of it right after you're older it's you know you're not going to be very much a part of music culture is you're not going to be have like you know you see the like intricacy of the fashion you can kind of like study and analyze it but you didn't like feel it so I think ever when you talk about them being virtuoso yeah the actual technical component but the impact on culture component it kind of feels like they have uh you know there's you you're saying like oh um you know they just had it in them but it's like well not really they were like came up at a time and they like processed that in a way to spit and they were able to be like part of What's Happen next but then how do they do it again it was kind of like they almost just watch what's happening with the new one and then they go and sort of like pretend they're part of it that's a really good that's why you have it now they now I have an autotune album now I have this now well I suppose the first album can be groundbreaking and super interesting but by album Four are you Reinventing it each time no it's the new people that are inventing something completely orthogonal and then you're repurposing what comes off that did you see that story that I found about uh Kanye West when he was writing what was it betray the throne enter the throne what was his [ __ ] big album something the throne anyway so Kanye was writing writing graduation no he was writing one of his one of his big albums and uh apparently some guy went in to sit down and and just watch him work in the studio and he had Mary Kate and Ashley Olen in the studio with him like the [ __ ] are Mary Kate and Ashley olon doing here can you just turned around quick as a Flash and they're my thermometer for what white girls like like true story [ __ ] wild um but yeah like even then you have this guy who's super competent and and has got this sort of illustrious history and some questionable politics and he is still outs he's got this you know somebody in there that acts as like a finger on the pulsive yeah you become like a good barometer for where things are going yes but like you weren't actually part of it cuzz it's not possible correct yeah so I kind of feel like I try to have a grasp on those things so then they become not something that because things can like piss you off where you're just you know for example like the content thing you're like what the fact that that's the way the game is or you know the fact that I feel like a lot of these things can start to irritate you because it maybe isn't the way you want it to be but if you then you just become agnostic to things that are just well that's how it is well I understand that like you can start to hate the game that you're being made to play even though you sort of didn't want to or you you get resentful about the fact why is it like this why couldn't it be you know back in the [ __ ] 80s when I could take all this time and I didn't have to create all of this stuff I could spend [ __ ] three weeks walking through a meadow coming up with an idea with Joo and I get it but uh you're right I I think that working out a way to sort of all right this is the price of doing business at the moment yeah it's just the the entry cost to being in the world at this time and look at all of the advantages where I can frictionlessly post some awesome that you know reaches a few million people uh but on the flip side of that I'm going to have to be a bit of a like content and then also if you if you can address it you're like well how do I now react to it you know what I mean yes and call it out I was kind of thinking about so if you look at uh there's kind of you know there's different times in culture where you know certain times where it's like you know probably like five years ago there a lot of things couldn't it was hard to say things you know what I mean and it was very tense and there was uh you know kind of a lot of like truths to be said that weren't you know part of the public discourse mhm and then now it's kind of like all the stuff's been said you know what I mean and I was kind of thinking that um if you look at what's you know a lot of people on the in culture are right now it's following from the front if that makes sense where they're they're really like following but if you think of like a mob of people because you know if to some degree there's you know the media is being like okay we care about this now we care about this now but to some degree it is a little organic of whether you know whether you know this group of people likes this candidate or we about this right there is like organic directions of what you know movements go in and then it's kind of about PE people are like in the people that like were leaders of the last one it's like them running around trying to catch up and act like they were leading you know what I mean so it's almost like people acting like they're leading groups of people but really it just kind of went there and then they they kind of run and then they they go they go yeah we care about this now and then you I mean I could think of like 20 examples but there's so many people that they're they're following from the front louder that's a really [ __ ] good Insight that I hadn't considered but you're right it's a it's the exact same good example uh might be in pride month every year where the organizations change their Flags Mercedes and Xbox and [ __ ] Nike or whatever changed to a pride flag but they only change to Pride Flags in countries where gender like sexual orientation equality has already been reached of course and the Middle East where it actually needs to be work needs to be done on it it's still the same there's no change made at all so that would be an example of like following from the front where we're going to stake our claim and put the flag in the ground right here this yeah we're acting like we're leaders of this movement it's already been this has already been one the place where it needs to be done is the place where you're like Z yeah it definitely happens a lot in that kind of you know that that uh you know media activism space but you happens in every everywhere yeah you'll see you know like you'll watch like the right-wing movement of like what what's the thing they're all talking about now right and and then someone will be kind of act you know out front being like you know leading the flag and you're just like you didn't talk about this two years ago and and it's like well why it's like well you didn't lead them here but you acting like you did the like full horseshoe [ __ ] infinity loop of the Bud Light conversation's been pretty interesting to watch I got in I got in so much [ __ ] I got so much stick from people when I said all right I get it you know Dylan Mulaney should she have he have got a [ __ ] six-pack of Bud Lights with the face on it probably bad move from a marketing department but really does this mean that Bud Light is infused to its very core with woke Progressive ideals that show that they're the anti-American communist country that you company that you always knew they were is that really the case or is it probably just some person some intern somewhere that decided to do one thing and the right is always the we mustn't cancel people for one small slip up that seems like way too judgmental this person didn't mean to say that and you go I you're not extending the same luxury the same sort of uh charity to this other side and then I got shipped for that and then [ __ ] a post Malone and Shane Gillis sponsorship later everyone on the right's now [ __ ] what's his face the guy that shot it up with the 50 they did a pretty good job of making the come back fully like just fixed everything they human centerpie did everybody and you're like oh okay so like somehow everyone's [ __ ] is in everybody else's mouth and it just sort of Loops all the way around so stuff like with that it's like people are so prepared to even the outrage is like circular they're prepared to be at the front of well actually being gracious with budlight that's the position that we should take how many people are still holding their feet to the F now no one well yeah there's almost like a hundred things going on at once with the Bud Light thing which you're right it is a pretty good like case study of everything cuz I guess there was one part where you know the principle there's there's always kind of an argument to or like between hey are we trying to win are we trying to you know have principles and those things are almost always like go against each other you know what I mean yes like in in any political movement it's kind of like are we trying to win then you're like I I mean with political movements it's always kind of like that's why they they get sort of hijacked by cynical actors always because you know there's always just a bunch of energy there and then someone can take it and be like well I have some goal here and then I guess so I don't think anyone was specifically outraged with budlight as much as they're like well here's the poster child yes and then I think there's like a rationalization where you can say where well they aren't going to realize what it's like unless we do it back to them and you know you that can go on forever but yes yeah I asked uh but you go you're not you're not a political actor like you're not running for office you're not running a political movement so you're like why do I have to pretend I care yes well I I asked sorry Dro you're normal Budd it's one thing you go I get your thing you have a whole Channel like telling people how to vote or whatever but you you're normal person being like don't you don't get sucked in yeah you don't need to be complicit as a normal dude on the street you have enough stuff to worry about there's a [ __ ] yeah don't get sucked into their [ __ ] there's a hurricane outside I asked uh Jeremy boring who's the CEO of daily Y and I asked Shapiro this as well and I was like maybe similar to your leading following from the front thing it's like lot of what the platform of right-wing sort of commentary has been over the last six years seven years or so has very much been uh anti-woke and that disc it's been like reactionary here is a crazy new flag that's got 55 different colors and here is a person that got jailed for bird scootering over a crosswalk that was put down with the pride flag on it and all the rest of it that very much was the position but I think you're right over the last five years ago or so the things that you couldn't say largely now most people are saying most people I think were past Peak woke were very yeah yeah that stuff's it's kind of gone but I was like okay so given that you guys have made so much of your platform off the back of this are you worried that when most people probably agree with this I think there'll always be a space for just being like a meat and potatoes conservative commentator you know what I mean I think you look at some of those guys where you're just like what's that guy been you know I don't know like what's the guy like I don't I think not him but like the rush Limba the GL back to the world you're like oh yeah remember that guy you're like remember that guy he got 4 million viewers every morning seven hours yeah over the 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AG one travel packs plus that 90-day money back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to drink a1.com slod wisdom that's drink a1.com slod wisdom your new special taught me uh that I and I think this is right companies are either getting in trouble at the moment for being too gay or not gay enough that's the that's the way that they exist too gay or not gay enough yeah there was a there was a pretty good there was a pretty good rip there where like our companies were having a hard time finding the perfect amount of gay to be I I found on that I did a little bit of research uh Toyota won't sponsor Pride events following backlash from an anti-woke mob so pink news which I think is a like a gay website um in a memo sent to 50,000 us employees and more than 1500 dealerships the company said the decision follows a highly politicized discussion around business commitments to Dei not sporting festivals and parades according at Bloomberg they're not participating in some other stuff and Dei and all of that they're stopping all of that anyway uh so I did a bit more digging and it turns out that there's a lot of companies that are sort of quietly rolling back their Dei efforts and yeah pink news uh has big problem with this but I can't imagine ping news loves it the choice of companies that they were getting outraged about rolling back their Dei efforts this is the best list so is this the list of not gay enough yeah this is the list of not was too gay for their customers now not gay enough for pink news but they highlighted that they could have done it and they're in real [ __ ] okay so this is a list of companies who have rolled back their Dei efforts uh because of right-wing pressure and are not providing an inclusive working environment John Deere the tractor manufacturer remember I saw the John Deere hustle bule Jack Daniels harleydavidson Ford Lowe's Molson KZ and Stanley Black and& Deca I'm like you couldn't have picked a list of less gay companies to be angry about the fact I think Harley-Davidson was actually doing some stuff what were they doing I I I don't know exactly but I think they were just it all a lot of it is kind of that there was a moment where you know if you look at it like stocks right there was a moment where there was like an Arbitrage opportunity where a lot of these companies were like you know we can make money by paner into this [ __ ] it's a easy way to get clicks the problem is if you stay in those waters for too long before you know it you have actual people in your company that believe it where like you know at the top you're just like oh this is yeah okay this is what you do to get pressed or whatever and they probably don't give two shits and then yeah but if you're in that for four years you have turnover Nets like now you have 35% of the people and also you have to you have to sell the [ __ ] to the company yes and then you're like well guess what now they all believe it so you can't when it's when it's no longer an Arbitrage opportunity no longer cool you've got to you've got this like [ __ ] there's no value in it like monetarily for a company well now what do you do how do you how do you back out of it it just blows my mind that those were the this was like the Vanguard of the issue of we can't believe that these companies aren't supporting lgbtq right I'm like John Deere really is that the tip of the spear they probably add you know a lot of these companies I I've seen this a lot in television like I've you know worked in television a lot where it's like there's and especially you'll talk to you know a lot of people that are higher up and they're like you know we're not about this life but they you know they kind of hired some hip new marketing team and the marketing team's like this is what you do you post all this stuff and they're kind of right at that time they're like if you want to get a lot of clicks and now I think people have a little bit of a difference between like what's a good click and a bad click you know what I mean whereas before you're like hey I did your ad campaign it has 18 million views and you go well if you look under it you'll see that that's most people saying they hate us well I wonder if uh if the Bud Light thing has kind of highlighted to companies that caving into pressure that they're then going to have to go back on I think Gillette is still kind of out in the wings I don't think yeah caving into pressure is being generous because I would say it is like you know being vultures trying to you know be able to cash in on this like little energy that's in this social movement sort of um predestin the I I don't think they're innocent in this I think it was like you know I mean we have people and you're in this industry I'm sure you see all the time where you know like some like something is like a trend and there's people that sort of like address the trend but stay themsel and then there's certain people that are trying to like really cash it in and you can see that I'm just waiting for Russia Today $10 million check I'm still [ __ ] dude tenant media where are you at come come and pay me I thought Lauren Shen had my number um but yeah I it's I I this is I spoke about this on the show a couple of weeks ago we got this email through just the General contact form on the on my website that said um we want to pitch this person to come on the show and we're willing to pay six figure some to bring them on and uh the topics that we would like to discuss and the [ __ ] list of topics were all like oil prices in the Middle East and this is some Saudi deep state conspiracy [ __ ] and uh yeah it's [ __ ] it's funny man it's I mean that would you know what that would be funny though if if you ever want to do it is have those people on and then allow us to do like a prank show thing with them like have the people on and that are paying 100 Grand they give them 100 Grand back after but like have them in and like prank them where we're not doing any of the stuff have you been watching who's that guy no cap on God yeah I know that guy yeah [ __ ] me he is so good what do you I mean you have this like on Street thing I can't do it my cringe meter my British cringe meter just goes through the roof even second very British it is thank you it's very prim and proper but it goes through the roof watching you do your thing uh where what was it that you were you were walking through Time Square asking people to donate money to Trump's legal fund oh I had a while where I was I had a bunch of different like funds I was getting people to donate to I tried to get the I want to do one where I was like Alex Jones legal fund then I did Trump's legal fund and then I did Tucker Carlson was making a doc killery in Liberal lives and I was asking you but the Trump one yeah the Trump one I was telling people in New York I said that they have a chance they get entered into a raffle to win a chance to go to lunch with Baron Trump they're like and she goes I would never want to go to lunch with Baron Trump I'm like well it's not a guarantee you're going to win it's sh so funny yeah I think you're getting ahead of yourself yeah it's not guaranteed uh those on Street interviews uh for me like I I love watching them but I can't I can't deal with them and the the dude from no cap on God l L L I think is his name uh is [ __ ] sweet did you see that Trump had his own line of Bibles do you see this story yeah yeah he's got a lot of [ __ ] Waggy stuff he's got he's got it all um shoes Bibles it it turns out that Trump's God Bless the USA Bibles were made in China uh the official Bibles of Donald Trump were printed in China has been revealed thousands of copies of his God Bless the USA Bible printed in a country that the former president has repeated the accused of Sealing Amer jobs Trump never said where they were printed or what they cost a copy hand signed by the former president Sals for $1,000 uh so yeah look maybe they maybe you could offer one of the signed Bibles as well you can probably guarantee that did that was I I've actually been talking about this on stage a bit that it is funny to me that Fox News can't get good commercials so uh they just have to sell junk to old people and Rumble has that a little bit but you know Fox CNN's always like you know McDonald's and the most Multicultural family of all time just enjoying a bag of Doritos I saying combos you don't even see like Asian guy black woman Indian son no stereotypes in this house the Asian and the woman are both really good drivers just [ __ ] you never see right and then you go to Fox News they're like rise up Patriots this is this is a shrapnel of 911 that is made into a a bucket of Trump's come but you this is a scab of off Ronald Reagan's arm when but uh it's just like there was one where oh this is what I was this is what made me start I think I was I can't remember if it was rumble or fox or whatever but I was watching something and it started out the ad just pops up and I actually burst out laughing where it goes sleepy Joe doesn't want you to see this and there like a coin or something just out the out of the blue sleepy Joe doesn't want you to see this I was dying that's like that's the funniest thing i' ever SE that is good you are right the the like rightwing adverts versus leftwing adverts have you done a sketch you must have done I did sketch a while ago and they did then then like a lot of the things have happened because I said they're selling Patriot water oh [ __ ] yeah there is actually what's it called like Patriot 20 or some [ __ ] yeah just the only thing they haven't done is Patriot air where it's like air for Patriot yeah yeah this no immigrants have have breathed this erand it's a good air [ __ ] hell uh the other thing the other thing from your special that we need to talk about uh you taught me that there is a YouTube niche of breastfeeding advice and I didn't even know that this was a thing I I mean I guess that you need advice for everything I wish I didn't know it was a thing buddy I hope you I hope you're not in the situation I am because the problem with the algorithms and this is I've been saying this with you know I I I got on disability Tik Tok right which is what are you jerk off to so there's this guy he just like rolls around he's got no arm and legs and there's like a bunch of them right and and he's this guy's you're laughing the guy's crushing he's probably bazillionaire right now rolling into a bag of money right but the thing is the algorithm is so wild because you don't ask for but it you know if you were I said if you were walking around the street and there was a guy rolling around on this floor or like taking a [ __ ] in the alley like of course you would look more than you would just look at a normal person and then the algorithm's like oh that's your [ __ ] huh so it's like that's that's all you get now so if you w like so now when I see any freak Show content I try to scroll as fast as I can okay but I guess they got me with the breastfeed they kep just D it's a literal like you know only fans chick just sitting there you know fake baby oh I don't know if you I didn't mention that part in the special they got fake babies too so basically it's a loophole that you can be nude on Instagram if it's breastfeeding content okay even if it's not a real child well I I don't know the logistics of the real or fake child CU maybe you could say it's you know they're it's educational practicing it's a practice child yeah and you know and they say it's for new mothers that's why my my special I'm just like yeah it's 10,000 new mothers that's who's watching this but so they have basically fake babies now and then they they're feeding this to me man I'm the demo that I don't watch it anymore they keep giving it to me like you did that one time though you love it well it's funny to work out whether or not it it was like them activating a secret thing that you actually did want in the back of your mind what tits yeah oh you're [ __ ] zy me I I if I'm seeing a full out pair of tits on my timeline I I scroll a little slower [ __ ] wacko I remember I remember reading the uh Tik Tok terms of service thing that was in some news article and they were talking about how the app is allowed to use the front-facing camera to detect micro Expressions how would it they must have mapped the way that your face moves and then it's watching you looking and you see some of the the breastfeeding if you go like that well yeah but that's a reaction right so maybe that's good maybe that's bad I'm sure they've like micro the the micro expression to breastfeed fake breastfeeding porn real breastfeeding porn to a fake baby I guess technically uh I mean yeah whatever you hacked the system you figured out how to be nude on the internet to get people to subscribe to your things and get views it's a probably good but yeah the problem is now the algorithm is just the whole thing's based on did you look at it for longer than you looked to the last thing this is now your thing hey guess what this is this is your entire identity yeah and well that's you know it's one thing to be like you know you you tricked me into having an algorithm full of boobs it's a whole another thing to be like you tricked me in having a whole algorithm full of like guys whose faces are burned off right or rolling around quadriplegics rolling around in bags of money you know what I TR I tried to hack my algorithm where I went and just so my I my Facebook and my boys cast uh page so I only scroll through those and I I loaded my thing up and I watched like only horse hoof tutorials so now so now thinks you're a rancha and what are you still getting delivered all of the that's the majority of what I get now I have like favorite hoof guys now and stuff like that like I have I literally like watch hoof content of a guy just clean it off and I'll be like guy's missing a spot like Nate the hoof guy would never miss that yeah exactly he's nowhere near as good as Dry Creek Dwayne and then I got into horseshoes too so I got I got horses cows hoof so that's all I get right now and actually life's been better right ever since I pivoted from watching breastfeeding content to horse hoof cleaning content yeah everything's gone right so uh I wanted to teach you about this book that I read a couple of years ago um the number one Google search in India that starts with the sentence my husband wants dot dot dot is my husband wants me to breastfeed him so porn featuring adult breastfeeding is higher in India than anywhere else in the world why is that in just about every country nearly all Google searches looking for advice on breastfeeding is how to breastfeed a baby in India Google searches looking for breastfeeding advice are equally split between how to breastfeed a baby and how to breastfeed your husband so I mean it has to be I know a guy who's into this uh have You Met My Buddy JJ met JJ yeah yeah exactly is he Indian uh no he should be yeah but it's they have some messed up thing he's got a you know overbearing Jewish mother they freaking messed that he's got a [ __ ] edus complex about so Indian dudes I where I I grew up in like right around Toronto which is like huge Indian population so a lot of people where I grew up with are Indian I have relatives are Indian and uh they do have a culture of a bit of an overbearing mother I think so India especially like the boys are very like The Golden Child to the mom so you know to some degree uh to be baby like in life as well it's got to be related to you know obviously that has something to do with mom [ __ ] right and maybe it's something to do with like I think Indian people have that same like overbearing Jewish mother like overbearing Jew Indian mother I wonder why it's not I don't know how much sort of Jew the get hurt real bad I wonder know how much duw breastfeeding Pawn there is uh definitely not between the hours of whatever it is 6 p.m. on a Friday uh so this huff post person that was doing this video well you know why the Jewish people do it why well because milk's free you're awful you're awful uh so this huff post person uh put a search in uh put uh searched my husband wants me top searches that came up my husband wants me to breastfeed him my husband wants me to abort our first baby my husband wants me to sleep with other men my husband wants me to quit my husband wants me to quit my job and then a conservative person did it at huff post my husband wants divorce breast milk oral all the time me to breastfeed him like this breastfeeding time's not that crazy I guess but that's four that that came in as like third yeah yeah yeah after divorce and breast milk it didn't even appear for the liberal person either what's your theory as to why I don't know the Indian things really I wondered whether it was maybe something to do with the sacredness you're from London London's super high Indian population similar yeah it the whole UK is uh pretty high sort of subcontinental stuff but I I wondered whether it was something to do with like cows cow milk the sacredness of Po saying their mom's [Laughter] fat I thought it might be something is the sacredness of cow no you're that's not it no evidently not no you've got to have a more sophisticated [ __ ] thought process I don't know I don't know what's going on ask JJ I'm sure he he might be I'm telling you it's messed up mother stuff okay and what's it all of India overbearing mothers just across the entire country well not every I mean a lot of Indians so I don't know if all of them are on the on the breastfeeding searches what an I'll tell you another thing okay this is my other Theory that's like you know how that's like being in defeat like one above that in a sense where it's like it's not I'm not maybe I'm not that crazy yet you know what I mean in their mind they're like this is like I'm [ __ ] this kinky dude but it's it's you haven't fully crossed over into you know the craziest stuff so maybe this is like dead animal necrofilia yeah maybe that's one of those things where it's like India's getting into breastfeeding and you're just like oh yeah that was America 25 years ago are you saying are you saying that it's a gateway drug that's that's my hypothesis breastfeeding porn is a gateway drug into much more hardcore yeah this might be like a transitional period you go you check in on India seven years from now you're like that's not even the top not even crack in the top 20 it's like uh when they they look at chimpanzees and stuff and they say it seems like chimpanzees are beginning to first use tools and but it's like oh my God I'm watching them evolve in front of my eyes and it's the same thing but with like degenerate porn for Indian people exactly this might be a transitionary step but I think it's also a transitionary step because of the mother stuff right I wonder what we're going to see in a few decades time and we're going to be like like sedimentary rock we can just track the PornHub searches of all of the like everybody across the world and see who's out front that being said uh Japanese men have recently become obsessed with tickling porn more than 10% of PornHub searches for young Japanese men are for tickling that one I really don't ever a see I don't know Japanese guys I know Indian people pretty well I don't know the Japanese as well they want to be tickled that's that's all you need to know I mean if I was to guess um this is a completely out of nowhere what you're saying that this isn't a well researched opinion that you're about to put in front of feel like STS on the money okay feel like I'm tapped into the Indian culture okay uh Japanese stuff my guess would be that Japanese culture is very childlike you know if like if look at all the you know they have the girls where it's hot and they're basically like dressed like you know school girls yeah know school girls the anime kids stuff so if you think of you know that stuff being very popular oh it's babying tickling is very cartoony ah I think he might be on something there that wasn't total dog [ __ ] that was yeah that has to if I was to make a connection between two things it's the child like you know fashion stuff versus uh you know that stuff you know you do you do change your you know like I you ever watched like a a movie about like you know uh like a place that's all not white people and you know whether that be like Asian or you know and then you leave that St like let's say you watch the whole thing about [ __ ] Jamaica or something you leave that kind of being like I like I think I'm into black girls like you know what I mean like it does change your whatever you're around obviously changes like you're saying that you've got this like a proximity like impact on what your attracted to well that's for sure true it's just the extent of which each person it's you know that's just a nature nurture conversation right and for every person that's whatever percentage but what chicks are into is for sure nature nurture there's got to be a split right yes well I mean you can't be into something so if you're always just you know surrounded by like all of the imagery of hot chicks is them being like like you know you you yeah okay that's interesting then you're just like oh yeah like well that's this that's this that's the same thing about uh you finding something that you're genuinely interested in from the algorithm or is it training you to be interested in what it wants you to click on I know and this is kind of uh you know the very negative Parts about all of like algorithmic based you know art form I mean it's moving closer to you know no property law China kind of thing but the more important thing is that isn't a metric so if you were a company and I mean you are a company and if you said okay I did this thing if you made a video and it got more views right and people watched it more but most of them hated it and no one you know signed up for your stuff no one's you know you would consider that well let's not move in that direction like views is not your only metric their main metric is how long you watched it again if I'm walking by and a guyy [ __ ] on the street I will probably look at that longer than a guy who's sitting in a chair doing nothing I didn't prefer that so that is inaccurate and I'll tell you where it leads to is because I just stopped using the apps like that okay so Tik tok's the most like that and I I know everyone you know the joke everyone always makes is they go you go I actually don't like that and you go sure bud it's based you know the algorithm knows you better than you do it's like well sure the same way that you go if I if I was sitting in my house and every day there was like the best food in the world or something healthy you know or the best tasting food or something healthy or the hottest girl or you know uh someone that you're not going to get in trouble for sleeping with you know every day you would still want to make those you would still eventually you would stop going to that room you would stop going to that party like you know the same reason So eventually I just kind of stop using the apps that I go I don't like this more you go yeah technically you're like good at like keeping me here longer but that doesn't mean I like it more so there's uh you know shows that here's a perfect example sorry to ramble on about this but I I stopped watching shows that forced you know there was a shows used to be kind of Tic and then they realized you know when it went to the streaming model that we need to end everything with like a huge Cliffhanger to keep you involved right I sto I stopped watching shows like that so I won't watch shows that are episodic because yeah I like can't go to sleep if I'm watching and it's like I need to watch more episodes it's like yeah but then I won't do it the next day right so unless you can watch the entire thing to the series finale before you go to bed yeah you beat me in the short term yeah but not in the long term in the long term I just exited the game yeah that's funny in other news this episode is brought to you by true classic true classic te's have some of the highest quality t-shirts hoodies and jeans on the market without a premium price tag the shirts fit incredibly well they've got this awesome cotton elastane blend they're loose around your midsection but they're fitted around your arms and your chest as the weather starts to dip their long sleeved henleys and Waffle hoodies are perfect for layering and comfort they've got over 4 million customers and 200,000 reviews backing them up so you can rest assured that you are choosing quality and best of all they've got a 100 day guarantee so if it's not right or if it wears a little too soon they'll replace it for free no questions asked right now you can save when you bundle multiple items together by going to the link in the description below or heading to True classic.com slod wisdom that's true classic.com slash modern wisdom so there's a a law called good heart's law Parkinson's law is work expans to fill the time given for it it's why you hand your University assignment in the morning that it's supposed to be je very true just keeps on expanding but there's a one that's kind of similar called good Hearts law good Hearts law says when a measure becomes an outcome it ceases to be a good measure so for instance if you were to say um the measure that I want is the most number of email newsletter subscribers that I could get and that is the only thing I'm optimizing for that's the outcome a measure email newsletter subscribers becomes the outcome that you optimize for you would say right I'm going to post online that I'm going to give $10,000 to every person that signs up for that's a good point then they don't get $10,000 what have you done hooray you've got all of these people to sign up for your newsletter but that wasn't actually the outcome you wanted it was just a measure on rote to it the outcome you wanted was I want a large list of people who are interested in what I do and want to hear from me and think about me positively and so on and so forth and that's the same with talking about the content thing or the views thing or the optimizing for anything thing it's the same as um I want girls to like me therefore I'm going to get as jacked as possible you get super duper jacked act but you don't realize what the externality of that is going to be which is just tons of [ __ ] attention from men or if you owned a company if you owned a company that uh was I never found getting jacked helped at all one way or another with women with getting men I yeah with getting men it was did okay yeah I no I think uh you'd be surprised at how little of a difference it makes I might have been might have been adverse for me yeah how jacked have you got I think if I had a six-pack I think the like the knowledge that uh you know it sounds like a cope but I mean you know obviously it's different types of girls but like if in you know I played in you know bands my whole life and I've been in entertainment my whole life and been a comedian tour in comedian for 15 years and I would say that the people that are around that scene like I've never seen a correlation between the most jacked guy and the most girls like you know to to a point but I think that there's like a level of like cool you know nihilism that is negated by having a six-pack oh that's funny I wonder how special uh that is to your particular industries of like lario [ __ ] leather jacket wear in 4 a.m. people I probably I probably especially depends on your body type too but I think that like the skinny heroin version of my body types look like is more appealing than the jacked version you you texted me something about that the other week I was [ __ ] pissing myself um but that good H saww thing so imagine that you run a company and um one of the measures uh that you want you tell we need to drop the fraud rate in our company as much as possible so you get customer support and you drill them this is the most important metric this is exactly what you're focusing on hoay they managed to drive the fraud rate to essentially zero boo what they actually do is treat every customer like a potential fraudster that's not good that's not actually what you wanted to achieve so I think when you're looking at stuff like the pooping man on the street that you look at for a little bit longer the equivalent of that on the interet what you actually end up realizing is okay I can make something that will cause people to look and may even accumulate an audience but it's not the sort of audience that I want what are they here for are they here for like the right reasons what are their expectations around me this is one of the things that you should always be scared about if you ever do anything that blows up even as a musician like let's say that you make a song and this song's amazing but it's like kind of a bit out there compared with what your usual stuff is and what you love to make and you just experimented and had this CCT you go I've just got 50% that's you now that's you and you go oh [ __ ] I need to now play in that field I made a like right-wing country that Oliver Anthony guy remember that guy yeah uh like guess what you're now like a political football for the rest of your music career yeah yeah yeah everybody cares about you and what you think to do with DC and the rich man north of Richmond and blah blah y that might have just been I don't think it was but that might have just been one he was I'm just going to have a c I'll write a thing that's about like rich men that they kind of in the Washington DC area you go that's you now that's your entire identity so be careful doing that 1,000% I think the hardest part is like when you're trying to explain to other people your version of it CU you know when you're trying to like have employees or whatever anyone else that's like working for you it's like because you're basically describing an equation that's like this if this right you're saying like if these uh you probably know the better wording for it but if these criteria are are satisfied then this is the thing we're optimizing for right but it's it's I feel like that's a very hard thing to like uh get people on board with I had this like I I mean a big huge thing that probably the you know and you can't have a million of them but the big thing I always have that it's like none of this matters if it isn't funny right so I'm always like and it's like well you said you want this and this and this and it was like yeah none of that is we don't even have any of those conversations like until it's funny yep so it yeah so it's it's like having conversations like doing things in the right order maybe is the answer well having a gate that you have to pass through so if it if this isn't funny doesn't matter how much money it makes doesn't matter how much impact it has doesn't matter cool it makes me if it's not funny it doesn't get through the first so there's a like an ordinating principle kind of similar Jeff Bezos and musk supposedly have got one uh Bezos is what Amazon was does this make the customer experience better and musk's was does this get us closer to Mars so everything all of the choices it doesn't matter how [ __ ] cool it is it doesn't matter how fast the Tesla is it doesn't matter how much money it makes on Amazon Prime day or Black Friday or whatever does this make the customer experience better does this get get as closer to Mars and if it doesn't get through that is this funny if it's not funny doesn't matter yeah that's the base level of like it makes everything easier and I think that that's why you on stage it's easy because you're like well obviously if it's not getting laughs like uh kill it well maybe not kill it get it to the point where it's getting laughs but you go none of what no matter how good I think this is doesn't matter until that's solved you know so that makes it easier you think it's impactful if you think that it's it's like useful if you think that it's cool for your career if you think it's going to make headlines if it's not funny it doesn't get I mean it's like one of those things where you know it's like working at a magazine and you're kind of like you we have this amazing scoop but it's about the boss's wife it's like well it doesn't matter they're not going to say yes yeah you know what I mean you go no you don't understand how great this is it was like it doesn't matter but it's hard to I had this conversation with a guy called Stuart Russell who wrote This Book human compatible so the worldwide textbook on AI uh may still be the case but it certainly was for a couple of decades was written by this guy Stuart Russell anyway wrote this book and in it he taught me this really interesting thing about uh how the algorithm works so the algorithm Works in two ways first way is that it finds content that you are likely to click on by getting better at predicting what you're going to click on right that's kind of the way that everybody understand that the algorithm works but there's a second way that it works as well which is it moves your preferences it nudges your preferences to make you easier to predict so it's a bidirectional relationship oh that's Sinister [ __ ] you really Sinister yeah that's a great word um and yeah so what one of the reasons that we talk why is the internet hate unpredictability but the the internet so like polarized and you know these two camps don't talk to each other and all the rest of it and you go okay like maybe that's because of tribalism maybe it's because you're stating your in your opinions to everybody all the time maybe it's because we don't have time to have nuanced opinions and there these sort of shows of loyalty to your own side and threat displays to the other or maybe it's the algorithm meaning that if I know you're far right you're always going to hate click or love click on these two buckets of things and if you're far left you're going to do the opposite that maybe it's maybe everybody is just being cucked by the the algo and we've all been turned into these sort of easily predictable uh like preference engines yeah I I always think of things a little bit like you know stocks maybe just everything is stocks but it's the only one that uh is you know there's a centralized body which describes everything but it it really does though the more they do it the more there is that Arbitrage opportunity where there because the you know you know like in you know attraction or whatever it's like you know there's the kind of the oldest men women thing but women aren't attracted to a man who they can predict every about them you know and so it's like they people think they want that but then they kind of stop wanting it so at a time when everything kind of becomes predictable when you see something that wasn't you know in a lot of ways it's so much more attractive but then yes so you kind of like how do you rise above the algorithms to be that there's a tension between uh sort of novelty or being exotic and being reliable and consistent because people like that I think this is one of the reasons again I listened to tons of Shapiro during uh 2020 during covid if if there's a global pandemic going on you need a Daily Show I chose him I know you can I can just read the title I've got a pretty good idea of what his take is going to be it's like putting on an old we pair of shoes you know there's a Cadence I watch the cop shows like NCIS and stuff like that you know it's the [ __ ] brother it's the uncle it's the guy that was like sort of snooping around the corner at the start ask to many questions you know what it's going to be but you you're almost there for that it's comfortable log fire you've got your [ __ ] slippers on like I'm familiar with this and I think that the tension that people have between this desire for reliability and consistency and predictability but avoiding being boring and also the sort of spice of novelty and and and newness that everybody wants finding that is exactly what it is but I mean how many times have you been on the algo and it's just thrown you something you've never seen before and you're like oh that's [ __ ] good so I I went down a rabbit hole of Star Wars if you're in the meme culture there's a lot of you know it'll get you dude I went in I went down this huge Rabbit Hole of Star Wars character battle power like analysis people that had read all of the law and they know who the most powerful Sith is of all time and they work out what would have happened if Luke Skywalker at Peak power had actually fought BL this guy in all and then into this about Marvels and all of the Marvels and this is the biggest most powerful guy and it's that same fcking AI voice that everybody uses and I was like this and I was in enthralled but that was one video I'd never seen before so that was the you know a bit of novelty that just gets tossed at you and you're like oh wow like this is [ __ ] sweet and then other times you go okay if I had the all the time be too chaotic it's like cat video breastfeeding video cow video [ __ ] Marvel video too much it's got it there has to be you know what uh this should be the opportunity for the company that you basically are like algorithm curators cuz you know especially like what you what you do where you go you know there's people that are like yeah I know that uh this is worse for me so I'm choosing to sort of you know it's obviously you don't want to just be like using your willpower every second right so you you uh you're able to say okay this is someone they take over your account for a week and then they give it back to where you're like this is like the success algorithm you're about to get I was I was saying that uh it's I don't get you know I never get messed up by politics [ __ ] like it never really like gets to me uh but the alpha male [ __ ] sometimes where it's like if you sleep you're gay and I'll be like what the you know dude it's so I will legit just be like on a plane and you know a guy's just like you know y'all sleeping you know these they're sleeping while I'm working content I'm just like [ __ ] loser just yelling at me can I tell you one thing yes my buddy I know a guy that um he filmed with Jordan Peterson I know you know Jordan and he goes he he he he was like the camera guy and it was uh and he was like doing like a rant and he said he like honestly went home stressed out just he was hold just right here right well Jordan v is like and another thing buo go I went to work I just got yelled at my Jord viers him for 3 hours he said like you had to shake it off like just the camera guy oh my God yeah uh I I have I have no idea how people that have to put up with that sort of stuff there was a dude that worked for us Benn at my DP uh the camera op didn't show for the jocker willink episode that we did a few years ago and uh he was I mean joo's got he's a man with a large head um and this shot was zoomed like just that it was just his eyes and his nose and uh this guy for 3 hours Bennett had just been looking down the lens of the camera like this like tracking his head as he moved around and uh he was like dude I just like stared at a guy that's killed people's eyes three and a half hours he getting my soul yeah yeah I know he wasn't looking at me but it kind of felt like it yeah it feels like it go uh okay we got to talk a bit of politics like what what the [ __ ] is the assessment you've got this isn't your first time in the US during an election is this more crazy than it is typically it's my first time here um oh this is your first time being here for it y feels less crazy to me really does it feel more crazy to you well I haven't been here before but you've been I mean everyone's inundated by American Poli paid attention I don't know man I mean from two assassination attempts to a replace candidate to like one of them going on call her daddy like I mean it's it's all happen you seen Danny's the AI King right now bro so for the people that don't know I had to text Danny about this uh I also sent it to the guy that did um Alex's $125 million Serious XM deal and I was like bro have you seen this yeah um Danny did a Kamala and Alex AI he a yeah and makes like a script that the AI must read in their voice and he was talking about kamla everybody knows that you're the throat goat so can we unra I mean you're if you're if you're 70 years old and you just watch a video and you're supposed to know it's AI like you're you're cooked man you know you're done yep but yeah in terms of to me it feels like uh like I mean the last four election okay I I remember I was in I guess we'll see who who wins and how it shakes down I remember being in Toronto uh when Trump won the first time and I was at a comedy club and girls were crying like girls were like balling their eyes out and I remember when Canadian girls yeah we don't yeah I mean obviously you know American politics is everywhere so you are yes it's funny that it is in Canada but I guess it doesn't feel like that they feel like you know and I'm sure they were correct that like Trump being president is going to affect the next four years of the life or whatever but yeah that's how much you know and I know people in New York they were like yeah I cried and they kind of feel like a little embarrassed about it now but I remember I went on stage and I was like it's 2016 and I was like there's going to be some [ __ ] changes around here like the first thing happen but it was like yeah it was crazy people were crying right but to me it doesn't feel like it's it feels to some degree like a lot of people are in some ways embarrassed about how much they lost their mind you know and they lost their people lost their mind so many times where now it feels you know back to probably a little closer to how I grew up where you know people are like yeah you know there's podcasts with people that have different political views the it seems to me like both candidates are sort of you know Trump's going on being like no I'm not crazy on abortion and then kamala's going on being like I swear I'm not like this [ __ ] crazy woke person like they're almost you know they're clearly sort of whether they're going to do it or not but they're clearly like that's who they're trying to sort of you know move into again we'll see what happens afterwards but I was kind of thinking that so many of arguments right now is just you know abortion would be an example but you can probably you know pick anything most arguments in politics are just who has the more egregious Edge case you know what I mean so it's like and most of the time 90% 99.9% of the time you're not talking about edge cases but it's really being like here's this Edge case of what happens if you get if you get your way and then this guy goes well here's an edge case of what happens the other way yeah okay one person's like immigrant that's killed an entire family of five is another person's thirdd trimester dead baby that's actually been 5 hours born or some [ __ ] and in reality none of it you know most of it almost almost never any of it happens right yeah and I'm sure whatever people are probably are arguing like well this one happens a lot and maybe there are edge cases of what I'm saying well if it's if it's a true Edge case then it doesn't happen a lot that's what the definition by definition there you go um but yeah so to me it was like every argument I watch right now it feels like it's like how can you prepare the most egregious Edge case just nutpicking from left to right yeah well and I think why it's gone a little more politically like if you watch if you watch like the debates with the the VP debates right and I kind of watch this stuff because we talk about it a bit but like to me that was your classic vintage you know I was going to say like you know the politics we're used to now is just like these guys are going on being like yeah it's a pretty good idea I actually agree with him on that one pretty good idea and I'm like call him fat what are you what is like call him a rapist what are we want I came in for like that's what me and Danny were saying that you just have a flash back where you go wait am I just watching a VP debate what the hell like I came here for a Royal Rumble yeah I thought I was I thought I was watching politics not politics we were saying the same thing about conspiracy theories where sometimes you you get it too deep into conspiracies series like I was watching all the P Diddy stuff and watching all this stuff and you're like it's an Epstein sex trafficking ring and then eventually you're just like so JLo is leaving Ben Affleck and she's not happy and you go rfk's wife was seen with at her wedding ring and before you know you're just gossiping and like what are you talking about rfk's wife you I'm doing conspiracies right now right it's been so watered down that everything is now too deep into like those kind of conspiracies you're just doing how how much do you think uh the Kamala going on podcast and doing the 60 minutes the rest of it is just a response to the fact that Trump is everywhere at the moment do you think that's them playing defense just sort of trying to get her out there cuz it's too obvious if she doesn't go on all of this long any long form stuff at all there's this big sort of open loop of I think it was too obvious and they were like well let's crank out a few you know softballs like Stern you know Stern's going to be you know going to be like what's it like being so great you know so I think that that's what they're doing they're like yeah let's crank out a few and then I think that people just don't like her so it seems to be that it's kind of changing the things I'm sure it's not changing a lot but I mean the betting markets not feeling her interviews dude do you follow poly Market I love following poly Market all right so uh everyone I I had uh Mike salana from Pirate wies on the show a couple of months ago he's so [ __ ] great they wrote this thing today I wanted to read to you um so this is they're sponsored by poly market right they're like a part I'm not a partner with poly Market this is not an ad but this is one of the best ad reads that I've ever read so uh ET Hawk tour as Donald Trump continues his campaign tour podcast circuit ahead of next month's presidential election poly Market gives a 4% chance that he'll eventually join the hawk tour girl on her new talk tour show while those odds have gone down no pun intended from a high of 10% earlier this week there's still a nonzero chance the da Hawk collab happening meaning a few betters with real stake in the game still believe djt May sit down with the influencer grab the mic and spit on that thing for an hour or so let this be a lesson folks if someone comes up to you on the street asking invasive sex questions don't be so quick to brush them off you might just end up interviewing a president I [ __ ] loved that ad read I thought that was so [ __ ] funny Hawk Tu um but yeah that is yeah right now I was I've been kind of making that joke I was actually going to do a sketch about this I never did but the idea of like every girl now you know answering a street question being like actually you know what can I do that again bring it in I think I can do that better just every be the biggest ho cuz that's how they get famous I think Lieutenant Dan the hurricane guy he's going to be the new Hawk to that guy's going to have so all right he's going to be interviewing the president for the people that don't know who's Lieutenant J Dan he's the he's like a guy that been going viral during the hurricane stuff and he lives in a boat I guess or something like that he refuses to leave during Category 5 hurricane but yeah so I guess that there obviously she couldn't do no interviews uh so yeah she had to do a few at some point it's uh it's it's funny that you say about that like retrospective shame PT like PTSD Pro post-traumatic shame disorder of you must know people have that a a little bit but I don't know because 2016 I still really really had my head at my ass so was not paying much attention to what was going on politically um but I can totally see how that would be the case there's another element as well I think where just people that were like mad crazy during Co yes that's true that would be that would be more accurate that one but with the the Trump thing I think there's a bit where people don't want to admit that he gets to them like everybody knows his shtick largely now uh the he did this bit the other day where people there someone was like gays for Trump gays for Trump and he said who said that some guy was like us it's me over here and he you don't look gay like you just know that what he's going to say he called called Alex Cooper like dumb she's a like he's a dumb dumb girl she's a dummy and like I mean there's there there's there's like Fair criticisms and then there's like your brain's gone like I can get like a normal person being like yo I don't want to like live in a world that like revolves around one man again for four years you know where it's just like the whole world like revolves around this one guy like that's fair to say you know and I think some people think that so I mean probably a referendum on you know whether people want Trump again and then out of the people that are like we don't being like is this too much is is she going to be that bad like people saying that we'll get back to talking to Ryan in 1 minute but first I need to 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where your health stands and take action with functions expert Health assessments by going to the link in the description below or heading to function health.com slod wisdom that's function health.com slod wisdom isn't it interesting that the Press are pushing so hard against uh Trump uh the Atlantic came out in support of carel wait the media was against Trump you're saying I didn't catch it which one but like the single greatest thing that could happen to all of the clicks of every single news clicks for on the planet would be four years of a trump presidency sort of but again it's a short-term thing again like think about what how did that end all of those places that you go this was a click Bonanza how are they doing now are they doing better or worse than they were doing before that keep him in power well but that's what I mean it's it's it's kind of I mean I've been I was having trouble sleeping and I started taking sleeping pills and it was like well now I have to take now I have to take sleeping pills right okay well like it feels like that a little bit where you Jo yeah that'll be a click Bonanza but you I think you have to like uh but you're going to ruin your brand in the process I wonder whether and literally dude they lost their mind so much and tried to like ring out every click Ving Trump that it killed media that's true that is true expedited the death of mainstream media it's not a job anymore because they've lost their mind so much during Trump that's a good point have you seen the uh the New York Times were stri right no and uh so the New York Times was uh going on strike and they basically had to they had their demands and it was like imagine what you would think they would be it was like we need you know like rooms if we're feeling microaggressions the one thing was they go we need trigger warnings like [ __ ] that you're like this you're kidding right and it was like they want trigger warnings at the news like they work in the news trigger warnings right but it was just funny cuz the same day that came out was the thing where Wall Street was like we're only going to let people walk 82 hours a week it's like so funny like right dichotomy of within the space of like three miles traditional media yeah traditional like [ __ ] liberal New York media versus you know ruthless capitalist versus just like yeah dude bro [ __ ] capitalist and it was like they're they're making a rule that they're only allowed to work 82 hours a week on paper I mean no one's going to follow it but yeah you limited to three grams of cocaine per day in the office on account account yeah so this uh the Atlantic thing the Atlantic for the fifth time in its history is endorsing a candidate for president CA Harris but another way to write it is huge endorsement people were waiting on that yeah I mean dude they wrote an article when was it Scientific American came out in support of Kamala they literally wrote an article saying Scientific American didn't need to endorse anybody and then a month later obviously whatever pressure has been applied to them that they need to come out come on we really need your support they big is it the reason they have a subscription model and their base is like Hey we're paying you money are you going to say something or what maybe I get the sense that it would have come more from inside of the company than inside of the audience but another way to write it fifth time in the history endorsing a presidential candidate or third time in a row they're endorsing Trump's opponent yeah it's like it's not the whole everything that's happening with regards to politics at the moment is just a big [ __ ] off protest vote you're not voting for the love of that candidate you're voting hate of the one you know you said that uh you know you were in Co you go to bench Bureau and you're that comfort and that's what it is I mean that's how I look at news where I'm I'm like okay I'll just sometimes I like to look at it to see what their what the thing that people want you to think is you know what I mean right so like those Publications yeah it's not telling you what's going on it's telling you what people want you to think is going on which I think is you know especially if you're someone that's you know a comedian or in culture any business business where you need to know like the way things are moving or you know probably you want to know those things but that's that's the only information that you get generally or if they or if they cor corroborate something that everyone else seems to corroborate it's maybe another piece of data I wonder what's going to happen if it if it does calm down a bit like you know we've sort of crazy wokey stuff on one side seems to be chilling out a little bit Trump seems to be moderating himself maybe that's just in the run up to the actual voting point or maybe that's actually indicative of what trying to do longer term well I think the end of the day you have to look at it didn't work you know the the at the end of the day like where you go why is it uh you know um you know why are things like moving away from that you go because it didn't work very yeah it was ineffective so your job during the campaign is to get elected you did a thing it didn't get you elected do a different thing and see if it works yeah and then also but you know what it also probably I mean okay Canada is obviously like a more aggressive example they've had 12 years of Justin Trudeau who's like a clown right and you go with face pain yeah and yo there's like people went from Mostly people being fairly liberal to people having like [ __ ] trudo stickers on the like turned into like a republican dad over you know night you know what I mean like people are legit you know you're your average person is you know ready to is talking about the Second Amendment and stuff like that right and that to me that's what that's what that did it like it didn't it made people go the other way because it was you know so flawed like logically that I think that like most dudes just were like I'm not buying what you're selling you end up with reaction yeah so I mean that's in in addition to like politically it was somewhat not effective on the long term it's probably I mean it might be to be honest it might have been somewhat effective at points to get people elected but probably not to make anything better that's for sure well that's the the the game right is between what you need to do or say in order to be able to get yourself into office but what does that actually do in terms of making the world a better place how do you do it again you know what I mean it's like the girl that you promised the world and didn't deliver you know you can how you that's the thing that's the Mad thing about the sort of CA situation is that you're in power now like you're literally you've been in office I know you're SEC like number two or whatever but you all of the things that you're highlighting that are problems with the country that need to be fixed there has to be aention when it comes to the talking points that her team are creating for her that is well we can kind of dagate where the world and the country is at right now but we can't do it too much CU kind of we were in charge a bit so whereas the person that is the opponent as opposed to the incumbent is she the incumbent I guess kind of kind of not um the person that's on the other side can go this has been ruined I'll come in and fix it like all of the problems are their fault technically her fault she's got like a bit of culpable deniability but not that much cuz it's like well you were [ __ ] inside of the tent pissing out not Trump trying to burn it down from the outside I mean you're I think you're talking to like your audience and you're talking to uh voters the way that maybe their people are supposed to think about it but I don't think that is how people think about it I mean most people have their one issue like any girl that I know that's like yeah I'm not voting for Trump like he's against abortion end of story like that's so many New York people I mean so I mean really that's all like semantics it's like an argument that the changes nothing to some degree well it's wild every time that I read uh an assessment if it's Nate Silva that polling guy or even like more partisan Media stuff everybody that's talking about polling is basically saying almost all of this campaigning stuff could just be shut down probably 98% or 99% of America could just switch off about the election and there's like four counties in Pennsylvania and a couple in Nevada and they can actually deal with it it seems weird to me yeah they they people probably made this point but they're like oh the like all the undecided voters you're like who no I don't know anyone that's like 5% at this point is like I don't know they're both good uh it's like who is that guy I mean the only thing I get is the guy who you know am do I like this person enough to actually get off my ass and do it to me that makes sense where you're when they always talk about undecided but to me it probably seems more like unregistered yeah yeah yeah not yet registered am I actually you know this guy that you know uh maybe yeah I prefer Trump but I don't like Kamala you're like are you actually going to go do it and you're like probably not motivated enough can you get that guy to vote to me that feels like more what it's about yeah that's a really good point but when you think I think it's about 5% of vote is a class themselves is undecided or a class is undecided but then of that 5% of 330 million people how many of them have registered to vote how many of them are going to go and vote and of that subset of that subset how many of them live in the counties of the places that actually matter the Pennsylvania the Nevada the whatever the [ __ ] yeah it's like you're you you might actually be talking about the entire political campaign running rampant across the world being for less than a million people that might actually be who it is money for those people less than a million people like that might be who is who all of this stuff is being funneled toward the only ones that Mata can vote will vote I guess it's really based on blunders then you know at this point you go I don't know if there's anything good someone could do or like their speech was so good they change people's mind it's really like did then did you not mess up so bad that you dropped a point going on call her daddy that's a high-risk strategy there for you I don't know it's you are right though I mean how many times that Trump did flagrant to me I didn't see I didn't see it that way where it is hilarious to me but I to me that felt like I mean the call her daddy when they were doing the like [ __ ] tutorials that was more like the five years ago bar stool days from what I understand so really it was like she go from what I think in my mind what I think it is now is like women talking about mental health and you know what I mean chick talk yeah like that kind of [ __ ] so it's Haley Bieber talking about how difficult it is to deal with the prees of Fame and stuff like that like a lot of that kind of [ __ ] that's what I think it is too uh although yeah you're right Alex kind of branded herself as one thing and then uh she go yeah she want to get out of it yeah I think I think that seems to be the case but uh the we're playing off errors not successes I think is like absolutely dialed like [ __ ] straight on the money how many times that Trump was on Schultz's show and uh he described himself as I think like kind of truthful or mostly I'm a mostly truthful person or something like that and everybody yeah shelter was like what mostly like what is that uh that was in a campaign ad for Camala like today really yeah that happened they recorded it on Monday it came out yesterday it was in a campaign ad today so it very much is a just obsessively watch what the other candidate does see if you can find a blunder yeah and so the amount of I guess opportunities that you give the other person like the fewer opportunity if you don't do so many you think that's kind of wild when you look at it where you go you know like you know all these people that are kind of like pivotal people in deciding the election now you know what I mean that kind of wild like the media like changed so much and you kind of in the last five years you look around you go oh I guess I'm like it's like your friends that are kind of like apparently [ __ ] important in the future of the country somehow yeah and a lot of people like that it's pretty kind of wild it is pretty strange yeah uh I I don't know how I feel about that like it it's kind of flattering to everybody that that that that it's power but it also feels a lot like who the [ __ ] you I I keep bringing this up there's this image of Mark Zuckerberg in front of Congress and he's being shouted at it's when he still wasi love sh them but it was like AI Mark where everyone was sure he was a lizard robot person and not Chad Mark now with a beard and a necklace chain grills yeah yeah yeah he's like he's [ __ ] H Beast Mark ABS he is he is yeah uh he's erowan Mark um and it was just an image of a guy who 15 years ago had tried to be able to work out who was hotter on a website and whether you were in a relationship with someone or not now being told that he's suppressing information which is crucial to the future of the Republic or some [ __ ] and he's like this and he's like it's just a guy but it's kind of the same with you know what the [ __ ] is going on that Alex Cooper some girl that just wanted to have a chat with her friends and like maybe some famous chicks about what it's like to [ __ ] be a girl and grow up and have casual sex or something be a horror and now you're having a chat with like the vice president potential future president of the country you're oh like we've handed a lot of power to like random people well we didn't hand it to them that's they they took it themselves yeah they they've grown that power yeah it's super interesting it's [ __ ] the people that had the power before like proved themselves not to be trusted and then people left you know I mean it there's that I'm sure you've heard in Tech where they like everything is just centralizing and decentralizing again well basically like every new company is bundling and unbundling of some sort where it's like you know there was you know first it was you know songs were a thing and then you started having CDs and then basically then they started you know the new company was like you could buy a bunch of CDs at once and then and then uh then it was back to like original songs and then Spotify bundle them again and like so basically there's a thing that every company is basically like bundling and then unbundling products but I was kind of thinking like you know EV it's almost like if you look at everything you know politics culture it's all just fashion going from baggy to tight and tight to baggy like kind of It kind of relates to like everything but it's like music always goes from like soft to hard or or like Technical and then back to like kind of nihilistic it doesn't matter like the rap and then you get the rapper Who's like I'm the best at rapping and then you go the guy that's like I don't even care about being good it's not about that it just goes back and forth but it's all just things going from tight to baggy baggy to tight and like politics and media it kind of is like that too where it's it really went from like you know it went from baggy or tight which is uh you know Buton down Crim and proper to baggie which is like a bunch of people like talking [ __ ] on a podcast and then yeah so it's like all of you know kind of culture is just things going from tight to baggy and baggy to tight really fun good point I'd never thought of that but also it's in line with what you were saying about the Trump Biden and then Trump Kamala debates uh and you go that could have been the intro to the flagrant episode it's the same tenor do you know what I mean it's personal I see what you're saying it's like the exact so for us to say oh isn't it crazy that now Alex Cooper and Andrew Schulz and all of these people have got you Aiden Ross is important to the future of Donald Trump's presidency and stuff like that you go oh kind of but only if you're comparing it to the wrong period in history if you compare it to the right period in history which is right [ __ ] now total that's what happens yeah think he knows what he said at the end of that sentence he doesn't know either like it was just it's complete it's continuation yeah the removal of like Gatekeepers but yeah you can imagine why that like even when they're on the gatekeeper program you know they had to reinstall Gatekeepers as in there's a way that we can mute your mic like that's a physical [ __ ] gatekeeper because the natural decorum that would have typically been had in a presidential debate do you ever see that one it was whoever Obama ran up against in like 2012 whoever that was and they go and they sort of shake hands at the beginning and I think before we get started I'd like to wish The Honorable gentleman's wife a very happy birthday you think who [ __ ] [ __ ] lame [ __ ] come on call him a dick uh yeah it's always it always switches to me it's like politics is politics and then it becomes culture you know what I mean where you know Trump is culture where it's like you could whether or not you were into politics you had an opinion on Trump so it kind of transcends you know there's certain issues like men and women and you know race stuff that they're kind of more of part of culture and then there's issues that are Le less sexy like the Federal Reserve which are the actual you know usually important ones yeah that kind of you know 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the description below at magicpx spoon.com slod wisdom or you can look for magic spoon in your nearest grocery store there's a an idea called the barber pole when it comes to Fashion so if you imagine you've got four uh layers you've got uh lower class lower middle upper middle and upper and basically each different group is trying to um pretend to be one above them you can't pretend to be two above you so you know how a barber pole when it rotates it goes up and then it restarts at the bottom like if you think about it's pretty good I like it talking about the baggy to tight tight to baggy thing um when Kanye West started making clothing what was it it was like almost hobo chic right it was like literally like oversized long sleeves for a million dollar correct here's a ripped up shirt for million the only the only people that could afford it were the people at the top of the barber pole but how were they dressing they were dressing like the people at the bottom of the barber pole so wow oh that's oh [ __ ] I like it yeah it's good you're signaling but the only reason cuz everyone's going one up but when you're at the full top You' got to go that's the you know hedge fun kid son uh Red Sneakers slum or or the yeah Mark Zuckerberg yeah where they don't T thing where they're all wearing the hoodies it's the same as uh the guy that just got his PhD saying it's uh doct long uh actually as opposed to the dude that's been a practicing surgeon for 50 years call me Mark yeah 100% that's a great Theory yeah yeah yeah yeah so I love that barber pole idea so I'm always thinking about okay what's this person signaling and who are they trying to be you know what I I'll tell you what kind of something that I think about uh that is the relates to that because when you're thinking about you know people are always moving and looking to present themselves as something different I'm always like never listen to anyone who hasn't been the thing for less than two years so when someone's telling you about relig you know you'll have a friend that's like I'm religious here's why it's great or I'm uh you know here's why you know they just got into bism yeah or or you know just got into right-wing stuff and they're like you know calling you a sheep now like and it was like a week ago this guy was watching CNN you know what I mean like but I feel like 2 years is the amount where you have to be in it for 2 years before I want then you can preach to me yeah yeah because then uh otherwise it's like you know use that on someone else like if you if you want to go talk to your family and bother your co-workers and your [ __ ] I don't want to be the test subject for you you know trying playing with your new toy yeah now that's then now I'm a sucker yeah if you find yourself being like yeah what am I a [ __ ] sand am I a petri dish for your like like dog [ __ ] new ideas yeah that's that's when you're a sucker that's a that's a good point you're a you're an easy Mark for me to like dick about with this this new idea uh one of my friends has a rule where he never uh listens to the suggestions that anyone's got for uh software and like productivity he's like into productivity and stuff and someone everybody's known oh bro I've got this new task management app it Loops in with Google Calendar and then it automatically populates it tracks all your time and then it's got the you can do it on your phone and it automatically does all of this stuff and he's like how long you used it for he goes about two and a half weeks he goes so his rule is he never takes suggestions for software for anyone that used it for less than five years because they don't know all the problem yes yeah where does it where is it what's what's the limits that this thing comes up against what's it like living with this thing today day to day when the shininess and the Novelties walk off what is left when I when I'm like working with people especially like film's a big one for this you know comedy even more so in any sort of like comedy film sense it's like everyone's pretty good at their job until there's a problem right so people that aren't that good you know that haven't been you know done it for every year like really what makes like a great sound guy a lot of times is like they've dealt with every single problem so nothing will happen and there's a peace of mind to know you know whereas someone that's not that good and a lot of people that are mediocre will always kind of be like well this is wrong and this is wrong you're like yeah that's things go wrong everyone can be good at their job when there's problems yeah that's yeah that's a good way to say it everyone can be good at their everyone can be good at everything like you can you can spend six months getting to the point where you're good at this in perfect conditions but like being good at something means there's not so yeah so people that kind of have that thing often you find you you like hire them and and they'll kind of be like well this went wrong and this went wrong and they'll always be giving you things that went wrong and you're like yeah things go wrong I don't know yeah that's why you're hired you're hired to I us I when I was uh when I used to do like showcases in comedy what's that like if you uh let's say you know they have festivals and you TV things if you're so people would be on the moon tower thing it's kind of like how people auditioned for things for a long time like a lot of times they would have you know people audition this way and stand ups you kind of audition by doing stand up and I but a lot of times you know especially in the 2017 18 eras there was a lot of people that were you know shooting up in the industries that weren't actually that good at the thing so I would always whenever I was a I I always would hate when it was a hot crowd I would love it like whenever I was doing a yeah because you're like if there's 10 people and four of them like can't even they're not even that good if it's a hot crowd you're not going to be able to tell which one of those are are if it's a bad crowd those people are all going to bomb oh it's the proven ground yeah so I always used to like it when it was whereas if if you've been doing this forever and you're pretty good at it you're like oh I actually know how to switch this like whatever not you're not going to every time but like you might you might be able to do it they won't be able to do it that's so good so I yeah there's a i' using been using this analogy about lifting on mars or lifting on Jupiter so Mars less gravity Jupiter more gravity and um that what you want to basically do is do your practicing where you're lifting on Jupiter and do your performance when you're lifting on Mars so like prepare prepare for the worst and hope for the best type thing and um that that's really interesting I've got my first set of uh work in progress shows for the next live tour happening starting this Monday uh that you helped me with last year and um yeah it was cool I've got the same thing again where I'm like the room's really cool it's really dark it's perfect temperature yeah I'm like [ __ ] can we J Seinfeld has a pretty good point about it um that applies to I think a lot of things but he has pretty good points uh he doesn't make much comedy but he has a good points on Comedy um but he says he goes that uh good rooms are for exploring and bad rooms are for refining oh that's great so so to this goes a little against what you're saying but if you're looking to like figure it out at the beginning that's not the worst to have like a good room where people are supportive however I would imagine the most of your rooms are that like I I I can't imagine you're going to do like if you did like a small room for yeah and people are like you know I doubt you're going to get that energy I've been loving I mean I got to again I need to thank you and you thank me at the beginning but I got to thank you with uh some of the stuff that you gave me last year was so [ __ ] amazing I if you are a person who doesn't have a friend that's a Top Flight comedian which maybe I guess most people don't uh but um if you I texted you a couple of times about a few things I was trying to work out you could have been on the toilet or like in an Uber somewhere and I just got nothing short of like pure gold that given a 100 years I couldn't have written just there like stream of Consciousness from you on my ey message and I still like hold on to these [ __ ] bits like it's you won't even remember them you won't even remember what that there's like one bit about Amber herd which was just [ __ ] phenomenal like this three part bit there's another bit about Bill Cosby there's another bit about something else I was like it just it blows my mind like to see I guess it's probably it's probably what it must feel like if you have a friend that's uh an unbelievable MMA fighter and you just know him right you just talk you go for dinner you hang out and then every so often you get to watch him put on this very specific set of skills on display and you go holy [ __ ] like what's that what's that bit of you and it's just this like growth this sort of like bit of the additional side of your entire capacity that nobody else has so yeah it's it is yeah there is like a brain thing of like how jokes work and I think a lot of yeah but so you kind of get good at doing that and I think for what you were doing too too there was an element where it's like you know a bunch of eights would be like really good in this hour but like when you're actually you know trying to put together like a thing that the purpose of this is just pure standup you go most eights don't usually make the cut and then also there's there's usually uh you know I could I maybe like had a idea of like what type of stuff where remember there was one joke where you're like I don't really get this one and I'm like listen I obviously do what you want but I'm like I'm telling you that's the one that will get the Amber Hood that's the Amber Hood yeah and I I was like all right yeah I could just tell TR and sure enough did it and it [ __ ] destroys and I was like that's yeah it's just it's so wild um but yeah to to think about like the capacities that your friends have and to go oh I just get to see you and you sort of usually do this thing and then you actually saw the you last time so when I I the special that I just released you came and saw the second time I started putting that hour together here yes that was like the second time started putting that together and then that was a two two years later [ __ ] what else have you got have you got anything else that you want to go through yeah I okay I yeah I told you I brought a couple like points that I've been thinking about for the last like few uh a few days that so I was thinking that in politics um you can either be the funner side or the more righteous side and you can't be both and it always kind of switches back and whoever's the funner side it's too delectable for them to not start being the righteous side because it's like righteous like being righteous is like so uh maybe not addictive is the right word it's so uh appealing like you just want to so but the funner side usually does better but when you're the funner side and then that expands the funner side can't help but start being the righteous side once you have like a movement who's the funnest side you built a movement with the funner side I think right now uh it clearly like the obviously at one point the Liberals were the side they became the less fun side uh I think that uh Republicans became the funner side now probably like you know the I mean they were the OG like it is fun it's funner to just be like [ __ ] yeah America guns like jet skis than to be you know um telling you what you know you can tweet or whatever right Federal Reserve and immigrants and now I think that the the draw to be righteous is like very strong on both both in my opinion right now so I I feel like I feel righteousness coming at me from both ways well it's getting spit roasted by righteousness I feel like a little bit yeah uh probably yeah it's it's funny that um definitely when kamla got nominated first or whatever it was it's all Vibes and you were just brat summering our way through she's so cool and in his memes and all the rest of it but you do have this very moralistic side that's righteous because R versus Wade and abortion is such a key part talking point so you can't like you can't speak nons seriously about what you're saying is an existential threat to 50% of the entire [ __ ] country yeah so you can't [ __ ] about with it but then all you've got this sort of brand uh and I guess with Trump as well his whole thing is to be the I'm going to flip the table over I'll drain the swamp I'll say funny things you go well yeah but if you do that what are you actually going to like we've got all of these problems what about the Communists you can't call them Communists and just like mem Lord your way through tweeting and Truth soing everything it kind of as in real life too there's a little bit of you know definitely in comedy where you go you know it's very attractive to kind of be like I don't even [ __ ] pay attention that [ __ ] but then like once you do it's like it's hard to go back you know you I think that was the big problem like liberals had is they all kind of were like scolding you and then they went back to trying to be silly and you're like what the [ __ ] it's like you always see on stage a guy will there'll be like an audience memory will start yelling get the [ __ ] out blah blah blah and he's like you this is a real show and blah and then he then he tries to go back to like so I'm on the you know it's just like ridiculous right but I think that on in people it's like people it's like funner to be the like you know I'm not I don't whatever and then but then it's attractive to be like okay actually this is ridicul like so it's very uh there's always a pull to go be the righteous baggy to loose loose to baggy yeah yeah yeah tight to tight to baggy baggy to tight yeah tight to baggy baggy to tight I guess it's back to that um I I think that uh um I I had a I had a funny theory that um you know how girls put guys in friend zones right mhm um so people say well what's the guy version of that right and the guy version of that is grandmother treatment so if like so a girl puts a guy in a friend zone because for girls like that's a you know male friend is like really the most nonsexual thing like you know whereas a guy you'd be like yeah I [ __ ] I could be friends with a girl and [ __ ] but like the guys see friends is higher so girls when they treat a guy like a friend it's very like a little brother like friend those are like a like very no the least sexual that's the lowest run whereas guy version of that is grandmother so you would never talk about anything real you would never talk about anything sexual and you I'm sure you have women in your life like that you're like oh how's it going like you know they be and if they ever said something sexual like oh that guy's hot you're like yeah he seems to be doing pretty good like you would never engage with anything sexual she'd be like I'm masturbating You' be like speaking of pregnancy uh nany's having another kid like you would never engage in anything like sexual yes the grandmother treatment is the guy version of friend zone but when does that get deployed who uses that ever I would say uh where do I play friend grandmother treatment I would say a lot of people that are like your co-workers for example right okay you know because of all of the female co-workers I would say okay I'm there's no way to like okay I'm sure listen you're a good-looking guy girls like you obviously I would imagine that if you show up to a city like Austin there's plenty of girls that are like around that you would probably make a lot of enemies if you just like ran through a bunch of the hot girls in a city so you're smart enough to not do anything like that you're not that guy anyway but like friends girlfriends friends exgirlfriend whatever [ __ ] like that exactly right so you so you would probably just not do that stuff because or that's actually a really [ __ ] good one so so you would treat them like the way you treat your grandmother that's so funny you're actually really right I'm now starting to find like little pockets of of girls that fit into that friends exgirlfriends are a big one like friends exgirlfriends is the perfect grandmother treatment you get ultimate mother treatment you're very pleasant to them you're very nice you basically sort nice to them you've detached your penis and like left it outside the penis is not in the yes it's so gone you're actually and opinions you might not tell them opinions either so the grandmother treatment is gay best friend that's basically what you're trying to position yourself as yes you're like talking about oh your hair looks lovely and like Isn't it nice outside he best friend would probably drift into the then your hair looks lovely but if she ever said she if okay if your uh if your grandmother ex-friend or if she was like give you a really extreme political opinion right and it could be it could literally be like uh you know like this Hitler guy's actually the man you'd be like everyone has good points like there's no way you're not engaging don't engage at all with anything yeah I know exactly what you mean yeah there was a a time when I was in the gym not too long ago and one of my friends ex-girlfriends uh like had this crop top thing on and took a crop top off huge fake boobs one nipple was out and I was like [ __ ] hot day today isn't it and like have you seen there's a dog over there and I was I didn't even tell her I was like I'm going to let someone else I'm going to let somebody else sort of she walks away that was like a bad friend thing to do but it was like the almost the secondhand sort of Grandmother like I can't I can't not I can't I there's no I don't want anyone to know that I've seen your boob I don't want you to know I don't want me to know I definitely don't want to address itle single titty one one titty that's up no that's a really that's a really great point the friend zone thing is so I mean it's become like people yeah they go oh what's the female equivalent that's what it is in my opinion yeah friends ex-girlfriends or and current friends girlfriends and [ __ ] like that and like the Orbiter thing or like people that your boys you know that your boy fancies her so you're like I'm [ __ ] got to do this yeah the only thing you're talking about is how sick he is yeah the gay best friend thing comes in again yeah dude great [ __ ] uh one kind of other quick one just about that was there was sort of I was thinking about I there's this girl that I knew that she said she was like a I knew the girl and the guy and they were friends forever and um then they were then they ended up being together but they've been friends for six years and someone was like why were you uh what took you so long and she goes honestly you never even crossed my mind and I was like that like stuck with me where I was like no guys you know it crossed his mind you know what I mean like no guy's known a woman for six years and it's like it's never crossed your mind and I was thinking about I think that like men treat our thoughts like a men treat our thoughts sort of like a friend that's a piece of [ __ ] that's like yo you should try to [ __ ] that girl and you're like we're not you're not doing that he's like yo we should party tonight you're like I told you I'm having like three beers like and women treat their brains like an abusive ex-boyfriend and they defend it because they'll write about like articles being like it's actually pretty reasonable to be drunk texting your ex so so because guys thoughts are more aggressive so they're like yo do all and you're like we know we don't defend our own brain cuz we're like this guy's this guy's too much man like whereas girls like they defend their thoughts like there's not I'm not weird for thinking this with your best friend's brother actually could be the right guy for you yeah they write the article defending the crazy [ __ ] that they're thinking yes [ __ ] so that that's my other one dude I I think that the I can't stop thinking about that grandmother thing about grandmother treatment [ __ ] real I've kind of I you know what the I had a old saying that me and my friends used to say forever that just came back it kind of just from Grandmother dream reminds me of it but not related but I said we used to always joke that when um like you know if you're dating a girl and it's been like 3 or four months and she's kind of like what is this we used to always say our one friend with was an expert at it you play the groggy tired Guy where you're kind of like oh maybe like talk about this tomorrow it's kind of like like an employ or like an employee being like you know weird said we're going to talk about the race you're like I to you know what time is it even like you basically act like you're really groggy like in the morning like okay [ __ ] no I'm down to have this conversation I was [ __ ] like very forgetful yeah you act like you're just so groggy right and we said have one friend was like always looking groggy so he could never get into like you know he' never get tricked into a relationship CU he's so groggy but it's like a joke we used to say but then I was watching like U interview I I was watching a lot of the like uh stuff the interviews with rappers when I was getting into the Drake and Kendrick stuff because I'm from Toronto and I was saying all rappers do the groggy tired guy to every question like if you watch like no jumper like Adam 22 and stuff they'll be like you know where were you the night of this and he's like [ __ ] I don't even y why you asking what like every rapper Dodges every question by doing the groggy tired man I was like it's kind of brilliant you every question and you act by pretending like you're not in the room you're like what I don't even I barely know my name right now like I that seems like a lot for I don't what do you think speaking of the rapper beef I uh I really didn't pay haven't paid anywhere near enough attention to the py stuff I I know the I know the outline of the story we don't need we don't need to do a 30,000 foot view of a thousand B I'm a lot of them done too um is that in any way linked to rap world the rap world or is it all just culture and like weird sex party stuff or is it going to end up being that he was looped in with some other rapper that ended up depends who you ask man if you ask the Rapp I don't know how deep the [ __ ] Rabbit Hole of this goes I mean there's always that Community that's just like all of Hollywood and rap is trying to make black dudes banged guys right you were the first person to ever teach me about this when we were texting about the Cat Williams thing oh you didn't know about that I didn't know and you were like oh this is the meme of holly that Hollywood just tries to put black men in dresses yeah and I I texted I was like what you're like well you you mean you don't no like this is the me yeah right cuz no idea Britain it's not a thing I had no idea that but that's this is maybe a further continu so P Diddy well it's like every comedian they're like they always make them in a dress and Chappelle said it and C Williams and Dick Gregory was like if you watch Dick Gregory like he has these old videos on You Know YouTube and it's just like I mean I'm sure there's you know like anything there's some truth to it and not truth but it's literally like every move that was ever made in history is to make me suck a dick like you know what I mean like it's goes deep right and to me as a white guy like obviously I find [ __ ] you know I find guys in dresses funny I find you know gay [ __ ] funny so when they're you know they're always saying this and they're like they're always trying to make black guys in dresses I'm like every one of my comedian friends is also wearing dress you're like you're like no we're we're wearing them too like you know but I guess it's it's white I think what it is is like white and Jewish like Hollywood writers writing white sensibilities for you know black guys that are like they don't realize that like yo this guy's G to get killed if he does that like the same way that right now if you're like hey if I go out if you're just like a normal commentator that's like you know maybe associated with like the UFC or something but you're not like a political guy coming out and being like you got to get vexed and you got you know just like maybe all that stuff you're like you do realize this this isn't like free for me like these opinions have like a lot of weight in the communities that I'm part of and I think that you know feminizing yourself to like Black Culture they're like that's the number one you sold out [ __ ] right so they see it as like you're I'm sure there's both maybe there is some you know control components but I think a lot of it is like you know writers that are guys like me writing stuff for you know black guys and being like yeah and then you guys [ __ ] kiss without realizing that they're like yo his community is going to like obliterate him if he does that so I think some of it's that you know what it carries the with all of this it is a the I again I totally didn't realize and I said this to you when I watched the Cat Williams thing like it is you know when you hear somebody that speak Mexican person or whatever like an Asian person or whatever that's speaking your language but the way that they speak like the pacing that they speak at and the Cadence and the accent and the pronunciation of the what everything you kind of need to tune an old radio in and you're like oh there we are there we are I'm I'm I'm [ __ ] in and um it's like that it was like that listening to Cat Williams on uh Club Shak I'm like what there it is I yeah you click it I'm not trying to beat match I'm DJ trying to beat match and I'm pH phasing it up I'm I'm I'm out of phase ah there it is I'm locked in it just took it just took time for me to to really get it and uh and then you realize oh this is an entire other world this is the references are different the people they're talking about are different the way talking about things their assumptions about the world are different and you go like shock horror person from different culture has different worldview than you like who surprised by this nobody but uh I think it was one of the first and it's a different culture in a different culture because you're not even American double different culture but I think and I've I keep talking about this when you're an immigrant in a country that speaks the language that you speak you're off the knickknacks you've no I have knicknacks you spat dude I I'm loving these by the way we have them in our studio we have them on on our on our uh show all the time you're on the rotation between newtonic and knickknack yeah Danny loves him too stimulated um when you're an immigrant in a country that speaks the same language that you do you forget that you're an immigrant because if you're in again Guatemala or [ __ ] France or something you know you're permanently reminded of the fact that you're not from there but when everybody understands you it kind of creeps up on you and then every so often you try to use some cultural artifact or history thing or you know somebody from your pop culture in your past or whatever and you go oh I can't I can't I can't use that I can't say that thing I need to say so that's kind of like you know Bill Cosby or like you know [ __ ] Kool-Aid or whatever and you think what is the thing that I think some wants to hear your Queen Elizabeth references exactly yeah no get no one gets my Battle of Hastings like talking points so very much with that Bill Burr had a Thing Once where he said he goes the number one or might I think it was Bill Burr but it might have been someone else but he was like the number one way to start sounding old in your comedy as your references are dated uh and it was like it might have been Chris Rock actually one of those guys but uh yeah he was basically like that's you know it's like it's crazy the extent to which like old things are just relevant but you just got to change a few words yeah but so listening to um change Britney Spears to tlor Swift like you know what I mean it's basically the talking points I mean Britney Spears uh it's been a little while since she's popped up on my timeline but my God that period where she like got access to her phone back again and it looked all kind of Serial killery but it was an iPhone 5 or something and you go Britney like if you're going to do dances in the the like entrance hallway to your Mansion don't record it on a potato it's I had a bit of a contrarian view on that um I want to go back to the the British thing cuz I actually listened to your interview with that British guy talking about the differences and I I thought it was really cool but the brittyy thing I was thinking and I'm like you was like that where you know I was I felt I was in the mob everyone's like free this woman you know and then she got her phone back and everyone was like maybe should be back in the thing right and it was just like and then I I remember a guy that I know tweeted he was like we should have never had freed her I go what do you mean we like like do you think that you like that's how [ __ ] that's what internet does to us like you're a guy being like I should have never let Britney out like back in the dungeon with her and I was also like if showing your tits on camera gets you put back in your dungeon like I got news for Half this country so I was kind of laughing at like I also was your own self-importance yeah yeah you're kind of like ah we shouldn't have like what the we like yeah we all part of the mob and like uh what were you thinking about the UK I just thought it was interesting like I when you the main things you were saying about how um you know you'll have of why are people more successful here what is it about that and it was you know you were saying there's a lot of funny people in Britain why are all the comedians here and there's this element of you know the crabs in a bucket of like oh yeah you're going to go be a [ __ ] famous like that's who you think oh yeah like you think you're like oh and you're that is a funny Instinct and a lot of the better people have that instinct of being like Oh you think you're so good so how do you you know how do you uh you know remove that like uh you know shame and find the balance of you know how do you find the there's kind of two things one is if you if you be too nuanced you won't ever say anything right also if you be too cool you'll never say anything right if you're like too cool for everything and too nuanced for everything and like and then also like you never you're too cool to fail which means you never try anything and I think that's you know it's a lot of that too right too much care and attention and not enough care and attention and too much pride you know like there's Pride it's funny that the self-deprecation and the sort of sardonic wit and the sort of cutting elements of British culture are awesome but they're also uh they cause you to be in stasis because you're so [ __ ] terrified of doing anything in case people take the piss so the very thing that makes you potentially funny is also the very thing that makes you terrified of trying to be fny makes you also makes you a [ __ ] like you know what I mean and I don't just mean you I mean like I mean you know me or you know British commentators a lot of times I see that it's like you know so sometimes it can make you like not bold well that's why that's why someone like uh Piers Morgan for instance is a bit of an outlier like you don't have a massive number of people that have gone like most British people if you're going to get them and Port them over and they're going to do that kind of thing are going to be James Cordon they're not going to be Piers Morgan right Pier Morgan just [ __ ] he'll fight you on the beaches and he'll like hold your feet to the fire and Ben Shapiro you and your gun rights like what 15 years ago that that debate was had and he's still doing it now it's about Hamas or it's about Ukraine or it's about P didy or it's about whatever like he's just still wielding a big flame sword he did it in the US he did it in the UK again you go ha yeah that's it Ricki vas like just overcame the concern about it and then goes and just scorches what was it the the Oscars or the Goldenwood Oscars yeah that he did that with and he go oh okay that's what happens when someone's able to retain their ability to be cutting but reaches escape velocity to get out from the self-doubt and he still has his briish in him like he's you know in a way he you know kind of disappears for a bit and then comes back like he doesn't seem like he's you know lives kind of a modest life he doesn't have this like why am I not a movie star because to be honest there could be that like why am I you know why didn't I become Jim Carrey like you know he might he could easily have that attitude but he kind of is like no I'm you know happy with my lot and whatever which is in some ways British very British cultures in America go start go from like oh here's a new thing to like every variation of this has been corporatized within like corporatized and sold within like 2 years well like what would be an example of that yeah um okay I'll I'll pick a comedy thing and then I'll pick a like business thing in comedy I would say crowd workor would be an example of uh where comedians kind of realized that oh like doing crowd work would be like a good way and people like it and it works well with algorithms right and I think that like people from where I'm from people from you know London have a little bit of like yeah I'll do a bit of that but I'm not going to you know where is in America it was just like within a year you saw every person be like this is my whole thing to the point it got to the point where people were like almost sick of seeing it that took a year right the meme cycle was in and out in the space like Jimmy car's done it it blew up let's try it intro it get too much and then it's old yeah and you could say that with like a genre of you know uh reality shows you know I would say but superhero movies right how long did it go from uh Iron Man one like 2006 2008 something like that to uh Avengers endgame and then after that like Thor 4 he's doing jeanclaude vanam splits over a set of uh lorries sure so there's this cool um critical Drinker do you know him the swey Scottish guy uh he taught me about this it's pretty cool there's four phases I think to any movement I think it tracks with what you're talking about here as well so I think there's um introduction uh growth maturity and parody and it starts off starts off with something that's new it's groundbreaking let's say it's Iron Man no one's ever seen this before it's like slick and sexy as a superhero it's kind of not as dark as all the DC [ __ ] and then the growth you end up uh still sort of building on what you've done previously that's like Iron Man 2 and three you've got like uh Captain America you've got Ant-Man you've got all of these other bits and pieces then you've got maturity which is we kind of know what to expect now it's not so much about uh further establishing ourselves it's about like rinse and repeat it feels comfortable but then you've got parody when you get to parody that's when you're in Decline and that's when Chris Hemsworth is made to be the butt of every joke he's kind of this big lumbering idiot he's a caricature of himself when he was in intro growth and maturity and he he is the joke the joke is everything's matter nothing's actually about thing we've seen this with Suicide Squad that you have to make a movie about superheroes about bad guys because it can't just be good-look man or woman has good intentions overcomes difficult things and Saves the World no it has to be this weird upside down meta commentary you know how quickly it moves in America that people are left still doing the parody when the thing doesn't exist anymore it's dead and they're still flogging this [ __ ] but that's only that's like that doesn't happen in other places cuz the things gone for so long like so that's the corporatized squeezing and riching do you remember when how many like I'm always one of my favorites is like every comedian doing and I love doing it too it's almost become its own genre but like the old school cop like rigs you know I'm getting too old for this [ __ ] like you know that it's like no one's making those movies but everyone's making parodies of those movies so the things comes and goes so quick that the parody out lives like the you go you're making fun of something that doesn't exist yes but everybody knows everybody knows about the parody that's how quick things move the parody phase was longer than the lifespan of the actual thing and there's so many things kind of like that yes uh what was your one from business you know Emo or like genres of music that are like for four years that's all you ever heard about sleep token T-shirt oh yeah you're into that stuff I didn't know right right do you still listen to scar no I was like a punk guy but like uh which if when I was growing up like ranid was kind of like in my opinion you and huberman they were yeah yeah I kind of like all the same [ __ ] as huberman and but he was that when that band came out I think they were like very like defining and they had a bit of like you know that kind of like British Punk and SCA influence then SCA with the boss stones and everything really took over and I kind of like that stuff but I was more into the kind of that the rancid like to me that would be like the coolest band of my generation yeah I've decide decided that I'm going to start dressing like 15-year-old me would have wished that he could have dressed if there was no if he had an unlimited budget for t-shirts like $25 t-shirts so I'm like in neck deep and Polaris and [ __ ] bad Omens and sleep token and Bring Me The Horizon I'm like slowly trying to accumulate like all of the bands that I still listen to and used to listen to I did this in a you remember Silverstein yeah you're like why don't I just go by $400 with a t-shirts yeah and that that's going to last me for the next like year and a half but it's kind of you know I'll treat myself Silverstein yeah they're Canadian yeah yeah yeah so uh discovering the Waterfront that the original original original record I managed to find one of those t-shirts like olive green with pink and I was like I am I don't care how much this car it was $35 I was like it could have been $350 and I was going to buy that t-shirt because it was like something from 20 years ago that meant a lot to me bought it wore it I'm like I [ __ ] love this it's so cool yeah but you wear uh like band t-shirts too I've seen old school [ __ ] yeah funny sometimes I'll think of that like sometimes it'll be like uh a lot of times I'll be what'll one thing that'll happen now is a lot of the Bands the I was so like involved in music that I'm a lot of these people I'm friends with right and then or it'll be like I'll talk about something and then the guy will like it message me and we'll start talking then when that happens I'll be like you know what let me go buy a couple of their shirts so then I'll just go to their merch store and like buy a few shirts yeah that's pretty sweet there's actually my special I just did that was like a pretty popular like you know kind of like Punk reggae band from Canada called ill scarlet and they had a couple like pretty big hits and he's like a good friend of mine and I actually wanted to put their song on the my special and that you got popped for for copyright yeah exactly it was a Sony song I knew I wasn't gonna be able to do it but I didn't realize the extent to which it was going to be like the nightmare of my life for three months trying to get that song cleared you're kidding I a nightmare and the guy was like trying to make it he was swap he's like a buddy of mine he was trying to make it happen too so you you that's what you ended up using because it is a kind of Scar yeah yeah it's a yeah that was like a very very popular the people that don't know I guess if you don't make YouTube videos would you uh you have to get sort of special dispensation to be able to use copyrighted music in your videos if you want to monetize them yeah good luck I think yeah well because you're basically allowing it would be like Sony going hey have some of our money you go dude this is I was trying to pay them it's 20 seconds out of an hour and 20 second comedy special it's the intro music to something that's taken me two years to write like I'm not people aren't coming and going wow I can't wait to relisten to that 20 seconds so I never stream that song from Sony directly again sure yeah I mean that's even 100% true but even and and the band signed off on it but like they have a deal and that's the deal but like more importantly than that I wasn't trying to do this for free I was trying to pay for money please take my money you know they'd put me on to some guy he would put me on to some guy he'd put me on to some guy that guy would take a week and like probably like a it took me like four or five weeks of like badgering people to like just get someone that would talk to me well I suppose that shows just how rare it is for anybody to use licensed music on YouTube which kind of sucks maybe that's part of it too or maybe like they see it as like you know uh small potatoes oh right if [ __ ] Dave Chappelle had come and had like a million it my first special on YouTube and you go oh my God it's going to do 200 million yeah maybe I could have got someone's attention a little easier yeah or or you know maybe maybe the song Maybe the thing right okay yeah how many people are bothered about this particular whereas if do they have someone that's even like dealing with their files right now Camala comes and says we want Taylor Swift to be our new campaign thing and it's going to be the front and center okay this is like two big deals either way it was a nightmare but I'm glad I got it figured out that's good yeah we used uh an MGK cover um for a vlog recently and I I didn't realize it's because you need you want to monetize the video if you don't want to monetize the video I think you can get away with it like significantly more easily but it's that they want you to NAB any of the AdSense from them and uh a bunch of people messaged like dude how did you use mg like do you know MGK like well he's like a friend's friend but I just think turn ads off think if you turn ads off you can do it everything gets fixed you could use like whatever you Queen and [ __ ] Michael Jacks the problem with that for my specific thing is I needed to make sure that it wasn't going to get flagged yes so you need to look at the monetization to find that but you can't cuz you don't have that if if it's if it's someone else turn it on G off so I couldn't look to find out if I was getting flagged which I needed so that's why I needed to have this cleared properly so I could do it do you look at I have a I have a buddy that he runs the hard times uh the website the funny comedy website and I used to do stuff with them and um he he he's he's like a entrepreneur and he's like you know built and sold some successful companies and stuff like that but everything he does is back to like Punk like you know he'll be like in these meetings with like really high-end people and he'll tell me about them and it's always funny to me he'll be like you know oh yeah it's like kind of like when you're selling a t-shirts like everything's back to like Punk tours him right and I kind of feel like that like I kind of look at everything like a little like music which is why I look things maybe different than a lot of comedians even though I've been doing this for 15 years and way longer than the other stuff but it's like you're so my question is do you look at like everything kind of like Club promoting a little bit correct yeah like all the time yeah the one thing you yeah all the time it's the only thing you it's like do you know best you know how um there's a rule I need to learn this I keep meaning to bring it up there's something that happens between the ages of 12 and 17 the music that you listen to when you're going through puberty is like aifi it's locked in concretized in you for the rest of your life you'll always it seems on average have a warm place in your heart for the music that you listen to during that period and maybe it's because of what you were going through as life experiences or maybe it's something to do with brain development at time well my theory is what I said earlier which is that well you're actually a part of the culture that created it and you'll never have that again but what if there's a guy who's 35 when you're 35 making music for people that are 35 does that not mean that you would be part of that culture there there's something like I would call that a culture because old people don't have culture kind of no I mean that's a little bit true they might have like thought culture but like I don't think that to be honest I don't think that they really do have like music and fashion culture that is like a young man's game your identity gets captured in it you can be like a popular artist but if if you if you have a culture it's young people like well you convinced aund bunch of 35y olds to change their entire identity to like people don't like change their identity really at that point you know what I mean and start dressing a different way and you know so in the same way as that happens with music when you're young uh I think that whatever the first thing that you learned to sort of frame the world especially the world of business networking social networks stuff like that whatever that is you just sort of f I'm sure if you were a Trader if me and you had been Traders straight out of college or whatever like right working at Goldman Sach the 80 hour weeks and the three gr bags of cocaine and you go for the rest of your life you would just be talking about free Alpha and you know like there's a lot of volatility in the system today you just use I do that a little now but yeah I know of course I get your plan you would have that as the frame uh so I guess that's a be care the lessons are all like Universal but you need to plug in like you know it's just like if you're teaching math to someone it's like you know what's the thing you're like okay this guy's selling apples like so app give me a [ __ ] analogy yeah so every you need you need kind of like a yeah a world a world that you have you funnel every lesson through in some way because the lessons are somewhat Universal I guess right almost everything is uh how can we make this queue look longer which is basically how can you make something look more popular than it is if you need to play with that level of popularity so in in nightclubs the length of the queue is indicative of how busy and popular the event is but the length of the queue is determined more by the width of the queue than the number of people in it so you can just make a longer queue by taking it from five people wide to three people wide so if you push the barriers up against the wall it makes the queue way longer so we realized if we kept it two people wide we only needed we needed fewer door staff because they couldn't push as much and it made the queue look [ __ ] massive so you're always kind of like is this actually bigger or did they make it look biger exactly exactly have they just created this funnel that sort of squeezes stuff down uh one of the other cool things that we did there's this uh uh problem in the UK nightclubs are open pretty much everywhere until 2 or 300 in the morning in a city center and a lot of the city centers have got residences that live there and not everyone is obviously a degenerate student that's supposed to be awake at that time uh so noise abatement orders as they're called trying to reduce the number of like antisocial incidents that occur and the amount of noise that people make so we were thinking what is a way that we can get people into taxis quickly shut them up and sober them up as they walk out of the door one of the things that we decided was we're going to give L like little kids lollies out buckets like good-looking girls stood on the door with buckets of lollies people would take them put them in their mouth and they'd shut up because they had a lolly in their mouth and they're busy tasting this nice thing and everyone would just shut up so we managed to fix all of our noise abatement problems by just giving out I've given away all of the secrets of my whole business here well you're not doing anymore oh yeah my business partner is though so you might still want them anyway sorry Darren um but we gaped do out and it sobered people up a little bit got them into taxis more quickly it was like all of these tiny little things that's great always thinking about like all right what what's one of the things that we can do to improve people's exit experience and make them behave in the way that we want so like little bits and pieces like that I mean you do comedians know this intuitively you have a peak of the set and then you have an end of the set and often those two things are the same right you often finish on very strong jokes or one of the strongest jokes kind of like the classic uh uh Theory yeah um but why well it's because the way that human memory works when we're remembering experiences the most emotionally intense and the last part of the experience are the two that stick in memory the most so it's called the peak end rule so uh Daniel Carman got super famous for for this work they got people to do I think it was like colonoscopies or endoscopies or something and they were able to track how long someone had uh being under this procedure and the amount of movement of the camera or whatever more movement of the camera would mean more discomfort so that should be higher pain and obviously if it's over a longer period of time people should also find it more uncomfortable because it's been more pain for longer right if pain is like intensity times duration okay uh in retrospect so first iteration of the study they uh did this particular procedure finished it and got people to rate in retrospect how painful it was second version of the study they did the exact same procedure but then just left the camera in for a while a minute or a couple of minutes not moving so there was significantly less pain at the end even though objectively it had existed for longer so it should be more should be more uncomfortable but retrospectively people in the second group rated it way more comfortable than people in the first group even though objectively it was more uncomfortable why well because the end which is one of the most important things that people remember about an experience was the thing that they colored most of the experience with which is the reason why comedians should finish on the best joke bands should finish on their most popular song nightclubs should ensure that the way that they finish a night is with everybody's hands in the air and all the rest of it if you've got a kid that's scared of going to the dentist what you shouldn't do is allow them to leave while they're still scared you should leave them in there so that their lingering memory of that thing is a pretty good point dentist being nice they give them a sticker did you ever get stickers when you went to the dentist I had little I had like a little dinosur and stuff went so what is it well you're excited because sticker at the end and uh I don't think you could buy me off with a sticker that's were you too clever for that yeah you were a little easier to buy off P look I simple British man uh P Andro [ __ ] and every comedian uses it yeah it it's uh laws of nature like that that you want to sometimes fight against but they don't it is I feel like uh the same as you know all the stuff you do but in comedy you also realize like how manipulative the human brain is and I'm sure like pickup artists and stuff like that you know realize that's why they become cynical a little bit but I always think the one that's funny to me is you know like obviously you do a you know three sets a night sometimes for you know 15 years or whatever it is like you you know exactly like this was better this was better right if so I've had a few jokes where um kind of the I did one on my special where I was kind of doing like a thing about pedophiles if you remember um and then I kind of the joke was like oh no you guys don't want that and then I kind of did something worse and I'm like okay no one laughed at that but I I just say that like it actually gets a big laugh I just say like oh nothing on like because the joke is I'm gonna keep doing something I'm Gonna Keep I I just it's like the joke is eventually that I just tricked you four times right but I've had a lot of people come up to me and being like you know they weren't you know obviously that crowd wasn't feeling that but I thought that was the funniest part and I'm like yeah everyone thought like I I just said that I just told you that no one was laughing everyone was actually laughing but it's like all it takes is for me to tell you like oh you guys don't like that one e and everyone in their mind was like oh no one likes that one and then they come up to me be like I don't know why no one liked that one I'm like you were there you heard everyone laugh but then I told you that no one laughed and in your mind you were like you you left being so you could the opposite of that is you tell people like oh yeah you guys really liked that one e and they were just like oh I guess that that joke killed like you just tell them how they thought about things a we're having so much fun isn't this so great I love being here well I mean it's the same as the this really fun he we're having a fun time I got to tell you guys you know Dallas you have been the best crowd of this entire toy it's like hey guess what that's the that's the script for everywhere why because it makes you feel special I think there's a bit uh maybe this is just my only child syndrome coming through but when I watch uh comedy a lot of the time I think about the comedian and I think about my direct relationship with this person that doesn't know that I exist and I think what you're playing into maybe a little bit that total Bro Science Theory what you might be playing into is people CU all of my other ones are so well good BR science theory man um I think that a good part of it is the audience really wants to feel like they're watching this person on stage that everybody's attention is on and is very admirable and competent and they respect them and they kind of want to be that a little bit and they're trying to find the bits of them that are like that that are the center of attention that are performance that are superior and if you tell people a thing that makes them feel like their realization was unique to them like oh we don't like that don't we don't like that joke and you think to yourself well I did and by liking it I'm like oh I'm one of the chosen ones I'm one of his crew yeah I'm cool uh I wonder whether it plays into that there's an old saying in uh art I mean I always just say everything's old saying I don't know if it is old or not but uh that it's like you know you know having an audience uh a lot of times is not about whether they like you it's about about whether they whether they want you to like them you know so if you have like an audience like really if you're really killing it's not so much that they're like I love this guy what they really are thinking is like I think he would like me you know what I mean like oh this guy would love like this guy would like to hang out with me and then they come out after you like yo you're just one of my mddy bodies you would love like they and so there's this kind of weird dichotomy where it's like yeah you're more uh so then but if they want you to like them like cuz they're like oh this guy would like me they want you to like them and then all of a sudden they're like they find themselves like trying to get into it more because they like want you to think they're cool yeah so there's this uh guy Mike is Rell if you come across we had him on our podcast no [ __ ] way how was that great he's the best unreal okay so Mike Mike was telling me this story about why he learned game and pickup and um he said one of the reasons was that when he he used to be very intimidated by attractive women and he just found himself not being able to be himself so he' be hanging out with them whatever and he'd be like laughing at jokes that aren't funny and like playing like doing he like who who is the like who is stepping inside of my skin what a [ __ ] what are you doing bu yeah and and doing this thing what because of you because there's something so he was getting wared by that and I suppose it's not too dissimilar to the audience seeing the comedian that they want to like them so like laughing even giving more grace than they should to jokes that aren't that funny because they think oh well I should make him like if I like but yeah subconscious there's kind yeah what the mic is your T thing too I was thinking that with the red pill stuff like I think you've probably had this conversation but you know whether or not they have good points or bad points or whatever but it's it's kind of like there's the one Central problem where for some guys they they put two girls on too much of a pedestal which is that and then you aren't able to like not need them which is like a very you know attractive thing for women is you don't need them one of the ways to get there is to sleep with a ton of women now you have an abundance mindset yes one of the ways but it's not the only way so I think that's really you know what I mean it's kind of like that is one path to solve that problem is like do everything you can to like get so good at women then now youve sub with a ton and now it's like oh and now it's nothing yes but yeah I think that the real answer is like well yeah but you could also get there a different way talking about the edge cases thing I think that a lot of the dating advice online maybe not quite so much the red pill stuff but some of it but especially the black pill more incel World a lot of that is edge cases it's guys that are I think um in the incel community there's a 10x incel Community is a funny word it exists think the community of insults um there's 10 times the normal rates of autism in there right so what you're talking about is by design a psychological like a non-typical setup for men who are struggling with women you go this proves that women are this that and go well you wouldn't say that for most other you wouldn't say this proves that bicycles don't work because for people that have only got one leg that is you know only a small portion of the population that's so funny thing they don't work the girls you're like girls are broken that's kind of that's kind of it that like the typical mating that's what that's what blue pill is blue pill is like you believe the sort of Disney princess the the handsome charming guy is going to get the goal and he just needs to play along and be nice and all that stuff and uh yeah it's it's like I think that much of dating advice is coming from edge cases both for men and for women well and it probably is going to it's always that way because you're like who else needs it yeah the people that are happily married they're not trolling Reddit looking for like stories about how to get it back at her that girl that broke your heart when you were this age so yeah it's uh The Edge case thing is is interesting yeah that 100% I I always kind of felt that there's a lot of there's a lot of you know even like when Jordan Peterson first came out uh there was a part of it that I felt like he was really good at you know the make your bed talking to the 5% people but to me I was kind of like I was more attracted to advice that's like okay you're you're pretty good at Stuff how to how to get great you know what I mean so that as opposed to like how to get out of bed which goes back to the you know that's a really interesting point cuz I've moved through the trajectory I've been like each different level of like uselessness within the Jordan Peterson verse that's I went from [ __ ] I really need to hear that telling the truth is something very important I'm basically a Manchild at 27 yeah to uh he is interesting and I admire the way that he debates sort of these important topics to now some of the stuff that you're talking about symbolically to do with religion and the collapse of the Western judeo Christian I'm like it's maybe just not for me anymore and I don't listen to the old stuff quite so much either but there's certain elements I really want to dig into but it's it's like how grading systems in [ __ ] Brazilian jiu-jitsu work right like you start off as a white belt and the techniques that you're learning as a white belt and the ways that you're using them when you're a black belt are very different and that's what personal growth is now for me I needed the like hey [ __ ] tell the truth stand up straight with your shoulders back stop being such a [ __ ] like those pick up a burden and car it whatever his thing was that was a big deal and then as you start to grow you go okay I need to let that go what you hope is that the person you're learning from is growing with you and one of the problems that you have of this is goes back to your like are you a part of a scene are you part of a trend thing what I think an advantage that you have if you are the same age as your audience as a writer as a poet as an artist as a singer as a whatever uh is that you get to basically just be two steps ahead of where every everybody that's consuming your [ __ ] is and you just leave little breadcrumbs behind you the way that you go this would be the the best older brother in the world oldest if someone gos too far ahead they leave so it's like by design it stays that way yes so you you're just sort of chugging along and this yeah best older brother is a good way to find that's the good advice you're supposed to be finding yeah yeah like here's a thing that I dealt with and oh you're dealing with it now and you're like four years behind me or whatever or 10 years behind me or something like that and I remember what it used to be like to be like that and these are the challenges that you're going to face and I was in it too you go [ __ ] but then as you keep sometimes you seen someone to be like you're not crazy for thinking about that that is actually a real problem you need to solve such a big part of it to just feel less lonely and like well I wasn't even that's true but I wasn't even saying on the lonely thing I was saying like Okay here would be like a lot of you know teeken bro advice when it f kind of started first popping off probably you know maybe 15 years ago right the spot you've taken over uh but you know a lot of it was very I remember you know when you're trying to build something and then you're kind of like you know how do you tell like someone you're dating that you know like okay can I slot you know oh do you want to hang out like how about Thursday and girl being like you [ __ ] slot me in and you're and in your mind you're like well I can only run my life and like you know and you're like what so you have like oh this is your mandatory like hanging out with me time for three hour like that that and and and that would seemed like an unsolvable problem that was kind of like and I'd in some degree probably written it off when I was young younger to being like your girls are a pain in the ass like that's really where I probably ended up on that but then I think there was people talking about you're like yeah duh like if you're trying to build something like people aren't going to be that receptive to it like and you're going to have to figure out a way to like make that you know and and I'll tell you what the answer isn't explaining to them over and over like you don't understand this is important and you need to be understanding of how I that's that ain't the answer no the answer is to sort of lie not lie but like you almost kind of figure out the way to do this in a way that's like respectful of how they're going to see it and like it's like a g you're like yeah that's a hard equation and you need to like maneuver it and it's like or don't and stay where you are like correct yeah and it was like but if you are going to try that it's like building a company it's not oh you want easy answer you're like no this is hard that actually is hard to do well you there's that Thomas Soul quote where he says there are no Solutions only tradeoffs and that [ __ ] everything just comes back to that uh so I was whining the money or the hooker correct can't have both yeah exactly unless you like killer afterward in which case now we're talking uh speaking of that uh there's this YouTube channel I think it's got maybe 3,000 Subs it's called tea pallets and uh one of my friends sent me it earlier on he's just like some kid on the internet but happens to be the best investigative journalist for internet [ __ ] ever so this hasn't even broken but this kid has done a ton of work he did just dropped a huge video on the Romanian mafia's links with Andrew Tate and and it's like geolocated on Google Maps is he saying Tate's tapped into the they've left they've so Tate told Tate said it himself that he was working with the Romanian Mafia that was why he started all of these casinos in R ging stuff yes so that was why he started them and this kid has like geolocated on Google Maps worked out where they are then done Romanian Facebook photo caption analysis to reverse engineer where all of these guys are then he looked at the tattoos to work out which one was the captain and there's different shaped stars for different levels of lieutenant and general and all within the [ __ ] Romanian Mafia like looking at Romanian police records and trying like doing all of this [ __ ] it's [ __ ] wild sick but this gang to what he found out they own all of these casinos and stuff and there it was mostly slot machines it wasn't playing poker or whatever and um this gang if someone won the jackpot they would wait for them to collect their money and when they went outside just beat them up and take the money back uh pretty good yeah pretty good scam absolutely like Flawless system yeah so there was this one video of this dude who wins $110,000 in Romanian rupees or whatever it is and the machine's going off and one of the attendants just comes over and unplugs the Machine bro wow it's crazy this is the Romanian math but they uh stated in some police report the only reason I went down this rabbit hole is cuz Tate's having it out with sha Strickland at the moment do you see that yeah I mean they've kind of been going back and forth for a long time right happened again like today or whatever recently uh but yeah someone that wins money in your Casino finding out because they need to put their address in where they live and then just going around to the house after they've won and they've got money and beaten them up and taken your money back is the most GTA solution this yeah that's the killing the hooker after so you can have your cake and eat it too I suppose [ __ ] yeah okay I got to take a piss so bad uh we we're all good uh where people go special definitely check out my special uh seems like the response has been pretty good so far so it just came out youtube.com/ ran comedy free on my channel check it out uh my podcast is the boys cast but also I'm just going to say a few dates because I'm I'm doing this crazy tour but if you are come out the tours have been awesome and I'm doing a new hour Fort Wayne Louisville Saratoga Springs Philadelphia Nashville Chicago Las Vegas Minneapolis Phoenix Portland and then more I appreciate you man thank yeah you're the best all right and we're out go piss thank you very much for tuning in if you enjoyed that episode well why don't you watch me and Mark Norman sat right here in these very same seats come on