Deep Dive Into Design: How Might We (Re)Design Spaces for Belonging?

thank you once all again for joining us and let's dive into our introductory round table with our special guests so um today we are going to start with um a short presentation from Christine Wong yep uh Christine Wong yep sh is a visual artist and social practitioner specializing in hyperlocal participatory research projects which gather and amplify Grassroots perspectives on belonging resilience and mental wellbeing So Christine I'm going to pin you now and you are welcome to go ahead and get us started all right I hope everybody can see my screen um thanks to everyone for um being here on this very uh windy and rainy atmospheric River night and um uh yeah thank you for your attention I know in my bio there's a bunch of different jargon words um but I I'm going to share some images I hope will give you a sense of what I do uh although first I have to do some more words and my first three slides so to answer the question how can we redesign spaces for belonging I want to talk about a specific project so one way we could redesign spaces for belonging is to build Bridges across languages cultures and neighborhoods through ART and social practice projects which utilize Community Building storytelling art making and language Justice social practice is a little bit of a jargony term but if I were going to use some of the language out of David J's amazing book relationality I would say that I make um relational containers um so I want to frame a little bit about bridging through the work of the othering and belonging Institute or Obi at UC Berkeley um so what do we mean by bridging and Obi describes it as uh invol in two or more groups coming together across acknowledged lines of difference in a way that both affirms their distinct identities and creates a new more expansive identity and why do we want to bridge it's because it's one of the major ways of promoting belonging according to um John a Powell the director of Obi so I thought I would root Us in place places which are not too far from The Mechanics Institute um Chinatown and the Mission District in San Francisco so Chinatown is a space that belonging for many Chinese speaking immigrants due to the access that it affords to language culture services and a shrinking but protected amount of affordable housing and the Mission district is a similar space of belonging for many Spanish-speaking immigrants um for the same reasons so I created a project called KOMO morando arba or young M which is a trilingual project in which I brought together a cohort of 16 workingclass immigrant women who have limited access to the Arts and limited English proficiency and I brought them together for a paid opportunity with child care and transportation support about half of the women are Chinese from Chinatown and immigrated within the past 5 years and the other half are Spanish speakers from the Mission District in the project we held six trilingual language Justice informed workshops involving Community Building positive psychology and cross-cultural Bridging the first three workshops were in Chinatown where designers shared their immigration stories and learned about research on resilience and principles of visual design and I worked with them to design banners to represent their power and resilience and we held the last three workshops in the Mission District which is only 2 and a half miles from Chinatown but our workshops were the first time that some of the Latina women visited Chinatown and vice versa of the Chinese women visiting the Mission District so in the last two workshops at the Mission District the designers Learned Hand Hands-On fabrication skills to create their banners and textiles which we then marched in the 2023 Chinese New Year parade accompanied by their friends and family and a Mari band our contingent was the first contemporary art project in the Chinese New York parade which is the largest of its kind outside of China and it actually dates back to the 1850s and I just like to think about how the Chinese New Year parade itself is an event where a lot of people whether they're Chinese or not whether they're locals or visitors they feel welcome to celebrate Chinese culture which is kind of special here and especially in an era of resurgence xenophobia so I'm grateful to the parade organizers for allowing us to kind of broaden this is traditionally monocultural event with a demonstration of crosscultural solidarity um if you want to learn more there's a lot more on my website and uh the women's stories um their rationals for creating the designs are pretty powerful so you can find that at the website um there so I'll stop there thank you and thank you so much for Shar that presentation Christine um we will now move into um Brook's presentation Brooke you want to go ahead yes thank you so much let me share that was amazing Christine thank you so much I'm a huge fan of Christine's work so I'm so happy to be here with all of you I'm Brook to lowski um as well as with these other panelists whose work I deeply admire and have learned so much from I straddle both education and the art World which are really quite distinct so I'm going to first talk about my experience within um k 12 public schools and then discuss how I'm investigating belonging within my art practice briefly um first off I love teachers and good teachers are really impressive designers they engage the design thinking cycle more than anyone I know reflecting on how a lesson went and then redesigning for the next day often engaging hundreds of kids like they get real-time feedback on a rapid prototype and then they do it again let me go to the next slide here um I've been in hundreds of Public School classrooms as a longtime teaching artist and a classroom teacher and then later as a teacher coach and a founder and leader in agency by Design Oakland there in the Bay Area um which was part of a research project which this book um really Dives dives into seeking to integrate maker centered learning into teachers practices a good teacher is skilled at turning the classroom into what David calls and which Christine mentioned it's relational container so this is incredible important strong relationships between adults and the students and the students families in the classroom are really this critical melal linkage that allows you to meet the students needs and in a school with weak relationships where students don't feel a sense of belonging or even worse where oppressive harm is consistent and goes unrepaired students are less likely to learn um and if you're more interested in learning about some of the brain research which confirms this I recommend this book um in order to build new dendrites and Connections in the brain students need to feel safe and they need to be able to trust others and that's why belonging is so critical to our classrooms and why we need it so that young people can reach their potential all the tools in Susie's book um designed for belonging are applicable to the classroom as well as to teacher professional development or any learning environment and in addition to these to the next slide um the core belonging tool that I've been committed to in my educational career has been art and making Hands-On learning project based learning where students are given an opportunity to make sense of the content to express their own voice to collectively participate in meaning making um one of the reasons Christine's artwork is so powerful is because it's participatory and it disrupts the often one directional experience that we have in Galleries and museums the method itself cultivates belonging and that's more of what we need in the classroom so then switching hats um moving over to my art practice since moving from Oakland to I now live in Central Connecticut which I moved uh and I did during the pandemic I've gone back to school to get my MFA which I'm finishing up now and my current practice examines historical and ecological relationships to land so belonging has inevitably become a core thread in my work and Rel with others are very present I collaborate with Botanical ink I've made from my community die Garden I print with materials I've collected from the sites I'm investigating and I invite others other people and methodologies into my research with me I am curious about the word belonging um we can develop a feeling of being connected to one another but belonging is also a noun for possession it communicates ownership this phone belongs to me or I belong to the co-op or these are my belongings these statements draw a line a boundary and historically when we look at land deeds and wills in colonial America in the 17th and 18th century the word belonging is used to describe these objects of ownership including human beings therefore embedded in the word belonging there is also othering colonialism slavery capitalism and on these are human Design Systems that have cut us off from one another and from the land but as ramed wall kimmerer says I I got her new book today the service Berry it came in the mail highly recommends all of her books she says the land knows you even when you're lost and so I know that the Earth which we are the belongings of and not vice versa plays for me a critical role in this conversation my most recent social practice I'm very much urgent artist just getting my feet wet in all of this regard um graduating with my MFA but over the course of months I've collaborated um with the public and collaborators together in my community garden plot and discuss belonging from multiple perspectives so for example working with the institute for American Indian studies talking about um storytelling and land acknowledgements or ecological belonging of plant species with a local biologist and then most recently through a public performance with a wooden picket fence with which is a symbol and a tool of land top possession here in Colonial New England which is where I'm based so I've tried to cultivate discussion and push the possibility space around um workers and belonging thank you so much what a beautiful presentation Brooke thank you for that and now we will um transition into um David J and David would you like to share um your answer to the question how might we redesign spaces for belonging yes thank you so much um David J Heim pronouns I apologize do not have beautiful visuals for you um I come to unfortunately not not as an artist and designer I come from sort of the intersection of technology and social movements um my background is uh building spaces for people like me who identify as as sexual online um though now I organize Tech workers inside of social media companies and um I I uh and I also as part of a through parent family do a lot of work around inviting people into communities of care which are a way of thinking about belonging that resonates deeply with me um most of my work uh deals not with how he design basis for belonging but why we fail to so often fail to Resource and fund the spaces that already exist um what I believe is we don't lack the wisdom about how to do this we lack the appreciation and the resourcing that's needed um and so a lot of my work is trying to do that but I want to share uh some of my the journey I've been on to understand for myself what what belonging is what these the um phrase that the two pre previous ENT used relational containers what those are and how we can build them um and so a big part of my journey has been wanting to understand what a relationship is um if I want to be able to build relationship in my life if I want to be able to help people know like oh if you're putting money towards building relationship you want to know that it's happening you want you want to be able to to validate success it's helpful to be able to um point to have a clear sense of what a definition of what a relationship is and this is a gap if you look at um Wikipedia the word relationship is a dis intermediation page um and so a definition that I really like is that a relationship exists when we change one another and the more deeply and powerfully we change one another the more powerful that relationship sh is this is uh inspired by Octavia Butler and Parable to so which is behind me here and so a relational container therefore is this place where we engage in the really vulnerable work of learning to change one another experimenting with different ways of changing and being changed to find something that brings resilience and transformation to our life and uh a key part of relational containers is they do not work like factories a factory the more successful it is the more predictable it becomes so when we build a relational container if we succeed at um creating relationship the more successful we are the less predictable the outcome is the more successful we are at creating conditions for a great conversation the less we know where the conversation's going to go and that is a is an unavoidable part of building relationship which I think in some ways messes with the way we used to thinking about design and also very much messes with the way that we used to think about funding that unpredict that intrinsic beautiful unpredictability uh and so when I think about designing for belonging I think about um I I seek inspiration from um to Echo what you were saying Brooke from a few places but I want to start by talking about the more than human world not just because I found that to be such a vital part of my own relational practice if I want to connect with people being in nature is a incredible way to do that if I want to connect with myself learning wisdom from nature is an incredible way to do that and one part of that for me has been looking at the natural world and the Really incredible ways that relationships make it up and the ways that it creates relationship and one concept that has proven really powerful to me um comes from ecology and it's this idea of evolutionary rate and ecologists started looking out at the world and they realized that some ecosystems seem to be better at generating new and interesting stuff better at generating new relationships than others if you compare a coral leef to the open ocean you compare a set of tide pools to a flat Beach you compare um the uh Edge zone between the wood grassland and the forest to either the grassland or the forest you're going to get more di biodiversity you're going to get more biod mass you're going to get what's called a higher evolutionary rate new and interesting things are happening more and so one uh was I was looking at these um and and in the sort of researching the Dynamics of relational systems some of the work that I do um there are a uh there's a deep parallel between the process of evolution how we learn to change one another and and and how we learn to change one another how we learn to be in relationship so uh three quick sources of inspiration I'll take in designing for belonging and these Echo Susie I think your book beautifully um the first is fractal geometry High evolutionary rate often has a lot of tiny niches where things can kind of like do their own thing and then pop out and interact with one another like a coral veave like the rainforest canopy um like a tight pool the other is Edge zones places that sit between two places two diverse places where those places come and interact tend have a high higher revolutionary rate than places that are homogeneous um and the last is Cycles places where there is a cyclical process so if you think about sort of bamboo that um seeds only every few years there's a process of a lot of abundance followed by like a lot of activity followed by rest that is coordinated across the ecosystem that tends to lead to relationship and I see this in many communities um um uh Faith communities where they'll have major holidays and they'll have minor holidays and they'll have weekly services that kind of a pattern is often indicative of a a predictor of high evolutionary rate and I believe a predictor of a strong relational container um and uh I um there's also a few tools I take from my movement history the power of onboarding and personal story if there's a space where people know how to reveal like there's a story that they tell about themselves that they can uniquely tell in that community and when they join the community they're taught to tell that unique story that is a powerful way to drive connection um after spaces if um often the magic happens after an event ends when there's a snack table when there's drinks when there's a dance floor so creating those after spaces and really looking to them to be the places where deep connections happen as opposed to sort of the places that we structure um is a powerful U thing and then the the last thing I want to speak to very very deeply because it's been so critical in my work is the power of lineage um I think a lot about my grandma I think about the trans Elders that taught me as a young queer activist um and how when we design for relationship uh the things that we invent the things we come up with are often not the most powerful tools the most powerful tools are the things that are being tested and refined for decades the things that our elders including our more than human Elders give us and so when I think about how to design for relationship I often think about um what are lineages what are practices that have worked for decades or centuries trees that I can draw from that my ancestors have given me how do I use those as my Foundation rather than wanting to invent from scratch so I I'll leave things there thank you so much for sharing all those beautiful schemas that arise from your practice David we're going to now move into Susie's presentation Susie you want to get us started thank you so much um I'm really happy to be here and I'm just loving hearing all of this too I kind of don't want to add mine to it but I will um just uh because I also do like kind of multiplicities and the the plur verse so here is um just a few slides to share about my practice um of Designing for belonging um and I one of the things to say about this is that um I often really like to start by asking the question can you design for belonging and I answer yes and no you can't design belonging we all experiened that however we're going to experience it in whatever context we are in what we can do is design for belonging to emerge and um I really think of this as the work of collective action um and wanted to call out also um I'm just loving being with the artist the artist um that worked on my book whose name is Rose jaffy and she's a mural artist and if you got the book there are these fold outs of the host Heroes and of the moments of belonging and the tools of belonging um that are that are these beautiful foldouts um partially because she's a mural artist it really worked the framework that I work with is around feeling seeing and shaping belonging and so here's the first of a a piece second I guess from um from Rose um really important to notice when and where and how do you feel belonging as an individual and then also to inquire of others across difference across all different kinds of identities when and where does belonging emerge and what does it feel like really investigating that as part of it sometimes when we start to think of it what we actually come up with are times when we didn't feel like we belonged and uh this is a photograph of me uh at a time when I felt like I didn't belong which was my mother's um second wedding and as I started doing this work I was mining my own stories of times of belonging and not and I think that's really can be really fruitful to both mine your own stories and be in conversation with others about when and where belonging is emerging for them once we know some of that then we can start to name some particular moments that matter um and in the book I name these these nine moments the invitation entering participating code switching contributing flowing dissenting repairing and the exiting um and these are not the only moments that matter for belonging but there are some that particularly do um and I also am often inviting people to think about when they dig into when and where they feel belonging to name it as a kind of moment um because that design thrives in specific so really naming something can be helpful and then once we understand a particular moment that we want to work on that we want to reimagine that we think might be a site where new experiences could emerge um then some of my work is about inviting people to uh expand what we think we can design certainly in kind of work culture the answer is often you know an email or meeting um but remembering that space and role and ritual events um groupings Communications these are all things that we can actually design and redesign to bring about more belonging and part of my work from a design perspective is to invite us to really take a prototyping mindset so trying things out and seeing did more people have a stronger sense of belonging or did they not when I crafted a new event for instance um so that that's the work for me is building tools around feeling belonging so that we can see it and then do the work of design to shape it I'll stop there thank you so much for sharing that presentation Susie um it is almost 6:30 um and so I'm going to try my best to start to integrate um some of the existing questions in our um text box into the questions that I have prepared and so um let's talk about the Dynamics of belonging and othering and let me make sure that um everyone is pinned um for this part of our round table there we go okay all right so um you know belonging and othering often exists in ttention um how does your work engage with this Dynamic and how do you use design as a tool to actively shift the balance towards belonging as an ongoing process and I want to integrate that with Rob's question which is um for any of the panelists often design is a political issue right what approach do you use or recommend for reaching people who tend to have a knee-jerk negative reaction sensitivity on design for example they might feel overwhelmed by the material or put off by the subliminal suggestion of Art in design and um he also adds I hope that that makes sense so we we'll start with Susie on those sort of two integrated questions okay I I'll give it a try um I'm going to share again just one image um of a tool that I really like to use this is a an emotional Journey map um and it's a very simple tool that's used a lot in um design participatory design co-design um processes to to have conversations with folks and really then to very simply like identify when and where is a place of belonging and when is it feeling like not belonging which might not be as Extreme as explicit othering but is is the kind of the inverse there and so I think that um using these very kind of basic tools to have very human conversations is a way to embrace the tensions of belonging and othering and also to your question um I think is a way to kind of demystify design um that what we are actually trying to do when we're doing design is to come up with ways to be better together um so that that's that's kind of my take I i' would love to hear what others are thinking about um can I jump in I have um something I wanted to share um this is basically a um kind of like set of community Norms that I share when I lead workshops so um it's just guiding principles that are based on a growth mindset which are is a body of research developed by Carol D which I think many educators are very familiar with and it's just encouraging um a spirit of experimentation and trying and discouraging all the things that I think you would find in like a regular art school or design school critique setting judgment comparison uh criticism and perfectionism so I think uh just setting the tone there where it's um a dialogue and an experiment um is a great place to start I will say um just as far as like how does your work engage the dynamic of belonging and othering is that an important part of what I do as a social practitioner is design the overall project and for an artist I can say oh I'm going to use this media and work on this scale and use these images those are the ingredients that I have to play with in my toolbox as a social practitioner who I'm engaging on what terms what's being exchanged is it Mutual is it extractive those are the things in my toolbox that I get to play with um so working with low-income women women who are um uh specifically women women who are immigrants or newcomers maybe they're undocumented and if they have Ling limited English proficiency those are very intentional choices and I do want to just address there was a question about whether um uh language Justice it's kind of touches on the idea of language Justice versus language access so for a long time I was just interested in language access I was the primary caregiver for my mom who was elderly and spoke um other languages not English Chinese and then she also learned some Spanish when she migrated through the Dominican Republic she learned some Vietnamese when she was living in Vietnam and was a survivor of the Vietnam War um but uh you know she worked really hard all her life raising me and uh supporting her husband and studying English but not to the extent where she could help apply to college or um express to her doctor exactly what's hurting and where um so yeah I think it is important to have resources to support people if they choose to uh study English but I also think it's important to meet people where they're at which I think is an important design principle and I think it touches upon the idea of humility that um Susie has written about um intellectual and cultural humility and I think um there's something there about language Justice in um not assuming that English is the thing that other people have to come to because uh when I get in front of a workshop situation and I practice my terrible Spanish it's a humbling experience for me and I think that allows people to also take risks and try in their art and design process it seems like we are ready to move on to our next question for our round table so we're going to move into the topic of um belonging as a verb so if we understand belonging as a verb an action rather than a state how does this perspective influence the way you approach relationships spaces or communities in your creative practice and I'm going to start with David on this question um I uh I think about belonging as the as a verb as about this really I think to me sacred work of creating places for relationship so a a thing that we have um as humans I think a powerful unique ability to do is to look out into the world see the relationships that don't exist but are possible and then create the environments where those relationships happen whether that is a dinner party with our friends a um convers uh a conversation um where we create the space for a conflict to play out in a healthy way um and so when I think about the belonging is a verb it is this um way of looking out into the world seeing what relationships are possible seeing that person who's just walked into a new community who needs to be personally seen and welcomed and kind of recognizing that and recogniz that there's an opportunity to show up to that person and knowing both in our minds and our bodies how we show up to that person um that that way of sort of seeing and moving in the relational world so that we can invite more and more integrated relationship into being I think that to me is the is the work of belonging the work of uh what I what I sometimes think of as relational practice um and uh and and I think it it shows up in the the ways that we design but it also shows up really deeply in just the way that ways that we are present with those around us I think that um compliments beautifully with um a private question that Tess offered which is um actually Kelly offered which is what does belonging look like can we identify it for others or do people need to tell us when they feel it does anybody want to maybe um jump in and add any notes in addition to what David has said I I can jump in a little bit um to say that I I do think that belonging is importantly you know self-identified that people identify belonging in lots of different ways um that can have Community layers also um but I I do think it's it's very difficult to prescribe belonging um and it's and remembering too that we know that it is such a fundamental uh need that humans have um and part of the kind of the verb piece for me is most of those moments of belonging that I like to call out are verbs to and that comes from conversations that I had in multiple contexts with folks describing those times when they felt belonging um and it emerges that it is it was a time when they felt like they were contributing to something for instance a and that identifying that those kind of other verbs that are part of belonging becomes really interesting because then you can all you can you can notice that that helps belonging and you can design then oh if that's going to be helpful what are all the different ways and and to this question about schools and school closures like when you're designing a new context for people to join in what are the mechanisms where you're going to let people contribute and that can be very simple things of telling a story or bringing a photograph or contributing to a mural right but the small acts of contribution are can be very agentic in terms of building belonging I wanted to step in just very quickly on this question of how we know as someone who does a lot of work around relational measurement and impact assessment um which uh is that when when we change one another when we're in relationship yes we need to ask people but to your point there are certain behaviors that emerge when relationship happens and when I'm looking for evidence of relationship I look for connection care creativity and generative conflict so do people who connect through the community spend time together of their own accord do they support one another in ways that they're not asked to do they create things together that are Innovative and reflection of the community's values and finally when they engage in Conflict do they engage in conflict in ways that are generative that result in the community feeling more aligned with its values and trusting one another those are all I think to me powerful indicators that belonging is happening um that can complement asking people directly about it thank you so much for sharing that um that that kind of perfectly sacret us to our next part of our Round Table uh the theme will be um designing for connection I want to first read a question actually from Eileen marinin um she says um a big divisive issue in Oakland is the closure and merging of schools people oppose it because they lose their neighborhood school and their children are sent farther away for their education has any of you thought about worked on issues like these and how they can be addressed to help the children and parents adjust to and thrive in their new environment and you know Brooke is a lifelong learner and teacher and that kind of complements the the question in your experience what does it take to design spaces or systems that move Beyond static inclusion and into fostering active relational belonging Brooke do you want to take us away sure thank you moo I think a lot of people have mentioned verbs and certainly um I definitely want to emphasize that this idea of you know active belonging takes actions right like building planting tending drawing doing and as sort of a curricular specialist That's what I'm always looking for how how are the Learners um being asked to create or produce something and making sense of the content with their hands and their hearts um and their heads and Susie you know mentioned this I haven't worked on any of the school closures um but certainly thinking about how can people contribute how can people participate in the creation of of a new space and all of those different levers of design um are important definitely within both um youth learning environments and adult learning environments a really strong contributing factor to people seeming like they have a sense of belonging is asking them for their feedback and then using that feedback to iterate on your design and makes a better product and people feel like you're and they know that you're listening to them and you care about what their needs are so definitely you know as these new schools are coming into Focus do students and parents have a voice and are they able to contribute to the design of these new systems is really key and critical and that takes a lot of groundwork and a lot of um listening and um sometimes the resources haven't put forth for that to happen Christine I'm going to ask you the same question um in your experience how does what does it take to design spaces or systems that move Beyond static inclusion and into fostering an act um active relational belonging oh that's such a great question I I think it that process of I think creating setting the norms and then putting the Norms into practice is a a really important thing and in my work I really seek out um key Partnerships where the organization that I partner with uh really understands that relationships are at the center of what I want to do so a lot of the art world is object centered and I'm really trying to make my work human centered and a lot of funding agencies are deliverable centered and I work really hard to find Partners who understand that if there's a relationship at stake that requires us to like pull the brakes a little bit or to Pivot that we can uh push back on those kind of pressures of productivity or or deliverables and and make this space to take the time take as much time as it needs um because it's like the process is more important to me than the product and Susie you wrote in our chat box the move from transactional to relational is critical can you um speak a little bit more to what that comment means sure uh from I'm I'm always trying to think about um you know if belonging is our goal what are some of the from toos um and so just echoing what Christine was saying there about the importance well and everyone in different ways um of the relational that's critical to belonging um and and so many of our sister systems are set up to be transactional um and our ability to kind of hold on to that notion of they don't necessarily have to be that transactional they could be more relational um and remembering kind of from the design lens that everything has that has been redesigned has that has been designed can in fact be redesigned so if we hold that principle of how could we make this meeting this party this school redesign process more relational that can help us do work that then actually turns out to be in fact more relational I'll just Echo that and the subtitle of my book is about the move from the transactional to the relational the transformational and um I I see that differences in some ways being caught up in predictability like if it's transactional I'm putting something in because I know exactly what I'm going to get out and I want to set up control in place I want to be able to understand exactly what's going to happen if I'm being relational then I embrace not knowing what's going to happen um I embrace maybe a set of values I maybe Embrace a process that I trust um but I want to be changed the process so that I don't know where I'm going to be at the end and I think that ability to release the need to know the outcome to release control to trust in the people I'm in community with is so critical and so needed and something that so many of our institutions just have forgotten how to do though I think for much of human history many of our institutions did know how to do that um we are at 6:45 and so I do have to do my closing but thank you so much for our incredible panelists David Jay Brook tox slowski Susie wise and Christine W yep for their profound insights and Reflections today your practice in continued inquiry reminds us that the design is not about seeking definitive answers but also about asking these living questions that call us to reiterate adapt and transform alongside our everchanging world um your work inspires us to reimagine belonging in ways that are both personal and Collective and before we transition into our optional informal discussion I would like to remind everyone that our next Deep dive into design Discussion Group will take place on January 29th 2025 um we'll explore the central question how might we create a more just and Equitable future the introductory Round Table will feature three incredible thought leaders we will have um aaya Miriam Davis who was the author of Kindred creation we will have um quinlin messenger who is the founder of just design and Leslie an noell who is the author of design social change and you can register for this exciting Gathering starting now we'd love to see you there and the um link is in the chat box there and finally as we close I do invite everyone to turn on your cameras if you feel comfortable and wave a goodbye to our amazing panelists let's send them off with all our gratitude and love for the Inspire for the inspiration that they have shared with us today and thank you once again for being a part of this wonderful conversation