Dating Changes When You Realise This - Ex Pickup Artist Neil Strauss
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In this discussion, Neil Strauss challenges the conventional dating hierarchy known as LMS (Luxury, Money, Status), which is often prioritized by men in the black pillar movement. While many assume that physical appearance and financial wealth are the primary drivers of attraction, Strauss argues that focusing on these external factors represents a "sad way to think." He posits that individuals live within their own constructed stories about how they should be perceived, noting that if one chooses to see the best in others, they will notice positive behaviors, whereas seeing only flaws leads to noticing negativity. Consequently, he suggests that status is often misdefined as mere popularity or external markers like height and income, when it actually stems from high-status internal behaviors such as confidence and self-assurance. Strauss illustrates this point with his personal experience in the dating world before writing *The Game*, where he encountered men who possessed significant looks, money, and fame yet engaged in low-status behaviors driven by deep insecurity. He explains that while external assets might get a foot in the door regarding initial attraction, it is one's authentic character that allows them to stay there; otherwise, they lose everything despite their gains. This disconnect between appearance and reality often leads to disenchantment among those who try to adopt "game" tactics without addressing underlying wounds. When individuals pretend to be someone else—such as an influencer promoting a lifestyle they do not embody—they create a split within themselves that prevents genuine connection, realizing too late that the persona does not reflect their true self-worth. The conversation further explores how people often fail to recognize what they truly desire because they focus on surface-level attributes rather than the underlying needs those attributes represent. For instance, women seeking tall or wealthy partners may actually be looking for feelings of safety and competence, which money symbolizes but does not guarantee if it is not accompanied by internal stability. Strauss emphasizes that anyone can embody these foundational qualities without needing to display visible wealth or height. He warns against the trap of external locus of control, where individuals blame others—specifically women—for their dating failures as a form of "cynicism safety blanket." This defensive mindset allows people to avoid failure and change by claiming it is everyone else's fault rather than taking responsibility for improving themselves through empathy and understanding. Ultimately, Strauss advocates for an internal locus of control, suggesting that while cynics may find comfort in never trying and thus never failing, this approach ultimately limits happiness and growth. He notes that when comparing oneself to successful others, one has two choices: strive to improve or attempt to bring the other person down to their own level; however, those who choose the latter often become loud voices of negativity rather than constructive critics. The core lesson is that true attraction and success in dating come from addressing the root causes of insecurity and embodying competence and security internally. By shifting focus from superficial metrics like money and looks to the internal qualities they represent, individuals can overcome their own wounds and build genuine connections without relying on a fragile persona or external validation.
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are you familiar with LMS do you know
what that is no Lux money status it
makes sense okay so it's the uh triage
priority list that a lot of guys in the
black pillar movement rely on and say is
most important Lux is most important
then money then status for men yes for
men what's your
thoughts my thoughts is it's like it's a
sad way to think it's a sad it's a sad
way to think um and uh I I guess like
I'm just I'm just kind of thinking out
loud I got a bunch of thoughts on the
the stuff you're saying um but to speak
back to your to speak back to your what
what you were saying about what it's
like to be someone I think like I think
mostly we're all living in our own
stories of what it's like and I think
like if you choose to see the best in
people you're going to notice the best
behavior if you choose to see the worst
in people you're going to notice the
worst worst behavior and I think you're
it starts with the eyes you're seeing
the world
through uh and so down to looks money St
is I think
that I mean I think St would
probably I think they got it wrong I
think that I think that there there's
um
that and how would they Define status I
guess I'll ask you I wouldn't be too
sure I would guess something like
popularity right um so I I would say
it's high status behaviors and I mean I
know this because I went and hacked it
in the game right as a guy who is not
that good-look um as a guy like who at
least at that time didn't didn't have
any like you know wasn't someone
recognized didn't have a lot didn't have
status didn't have money didn't have
looks didn't have Fame we realize and I
also was a guy who once I wrote the game
I had the people with the most looks the
most money the most status calling me
like this [ __ ] five6 big nose you
know dude who keeps saying you know and
can't even articulate a really clean
sentence calling me advice the same [ __ ]
I was thought I was alone dealing with
they were dealing with the same thing
and I think it really goes down to
like how how you your the story you tell
yourself more than money looks and
status and then how you reflect that
story as a simple example I've seen a
lot of people with money looks in status
engage in low status behaviors meaning
being insecure being doubtful not caring
themselves well not speaking just always
being worried about what others thinking
about them and whatever they whatever
whatever those gained for them they lost
it there's a line there's like a trador
poem that like that's something about
the when they were first sort of talking
about making romance into
art uh in that era that's like the eyes
the eyes go forth to seek an image which
they can then recommend to the heart and
so I think the money looks in status
like might get your foot in the door but
after that it's who you are that enables
you to stay in that door unless you're
dealing with someone who has similarly
low self-esteem right and is just out
there looking for a Target who has those
things because they've got their own
wounds they feel like that gives them
safety let's go Sor go ahead just one of
the interesting Reflections that a lot
of friends who maybe in the early 2010s
were trying to do game and pickup and
Day game and stuff like that what they
realized was they became quite
disenchanted I think with the world of
dating because they saw what they needed
to do in order to be attractive to women
and then realized the distance that that
was from who they really were or what
they thought they needed to do in order
to be attractive to women and realized
that I can get what I want but what I
want doesn't actually see me and that
distance between the two of I'm having
to tell them about the [ __ ] fight
outside and do my Kino escalation and
ignore the and do all the rest of the
stuff that I think caused a lot of them
to uh become very disenfranchised and
disenchanted with the world of dating
yeah I think I mean a couple couple
thoughts and and to go back so again
these are like the stories we we tell
ourselves like I think that there's a
learning process and maybe you learn I
if I look back on the game you know
there's so many different issues around
it negative and positive and everything
else um but I see it as a lot of sort of
neurod diversion people trying to learn
how to socially interact including
myself right and so so for me I needed
those little I didn't know just tell me
what to say and like how to angle my
body I was so I was so uncomfortable
around people and then once I learned it
then I could let it go the same
way uh you learn anything which is sort
of learning the rules and then throwing
throwing them out y um so second I got
three points to make but you're again
these topics are so interesting right uh
second thought is that another
perspective on the on the LMS thing you
said uh which which
uh uh the second perspective
is people don't know what they want so
they might what they want are the things
behind that so a way to think about uh
for
example he used to really hurt my
self-esteem when I read personal ads and
everyone wanted a guy was six feet or
and and taller how how how tall are you
510 okay that's great right I'm I'm I'm
I'm 5'6 you know may 56 and a half at a
stretch right and it took me a long time
to realize it wasn't height they were
looking for what they were looking for
was safety I want it feel when they when
maybe what is let's just say what does
money represent money represents that
some some degree of you know security
competence uh and competence that was
the word I was looking for exactly
competent so so if you look at the
reasons underneath these and you embody
the reasons underneath these which
anybody can do the other stuff doesn't
matter yeah I think that's where the
sort of disenchantment came from which
was not feeling like you had the actual
Foundation realizing that you could
create the glitzy sort of Mystique like
you do not need to see how much money I
have you do not need to see how much
money I have and then going
oh I can get what I want by pretending
to play this game and deep down I still
don't feel like I'm worthy of it I don't
think that they see me what they see is
this Persona as soon as you're saying I
don't want you to know how little money
I have you're like the influencer we
were talking about earlier who's
promoting a vegan diet diet while eating
meat for dinner you know you're you're
creating a split in yourself um so
here's the other thing you were talking
about is I think these people you're
talking about you know the like the
concept of locus of control like there's
external locus of control and internal
locus of control and I'm probably going
to get these wrong so apolog apologies
if I do um so the idea is like are the
things that are happened to me the fault
of others outside myself which is a nice
thing to believe right it's just women
are like that thus I'm opting out men
are like that that's I'm just not
dealing with that the world you know and
so we're just saying we're creating this
this it's everybody else's fault so I
don't have to change I can just hate on
them right uh or B the way I am and the
way I think you are is that like this is
going on how can I do better how can I
change how can I do better how can I
understand how can I be empathic and
like it's a lot more work but man Le
you're a lot
happier yeah I
think the benefit from the cynic
perspective the benefit of never trying
is never having to fail the pain of
failure yeah that's I came up with this
idea called the cynicism safety blanket
which is basically that that's that's
why it exists it's sour grapes at an
existential level yeah and so I noticed
myself if I ever start to and I don't
even do this anymore because I stopped
it like if I ever start thinking
something negatively about someone who's
successful and start comparing their
work to mine and why M you know I just
stop instantly and I just think you know
what can I learn from that for myself
and uh again most of your listeners I
feel like are learning growth-minded
people but I think we can understand
that there's certain people and I've
come across them that if you're if
somebody is doing better than you you
can either try to do better or you can
try to bring them down bring down to
your level and that's like that's a
split in the world but the people who
try to bring them down are the loud
voices right now correct in the culture
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