County Board 2026 08 18

[music] Good evening. We'll call the county board of super simple uh meeting for August 19 to order. Um and are we in compliance with the public meeting law? >> Yes, we are. The agenda was posted on the 14th of August atmosph [laughter] just our interest. >> Okay, we're going to go through Supervisor Smith. Supervisor Ger >> here. Supervisor Jensen >> here. Supervisor Mont >> here. >> Supervisor Clark >> here. >> Here. Supervisor Phillips here. Supervisor Cotch here. Supervisor Sch >> Andrew here. >> Supervisor. Supervisor Gary >> here. Supervisor Ali here. 23 supervisors. Thank you. Okay. Next item. Approval of the July 21st journal. Okay. Mr. Weir. >> Mr. Chair. I'll move for approval of the July 21st journal. So glad we were. Thank you. Motion made seconded for approval. Any discussion or questions? Hearing none. All those in favor raise your hand and please keep it up for a little while. >> Supervisor Clark. >> I thank you. Thank you. >> Consideration of appointments by the county administrator, >> the affirmative action commission, Clarison Roberts and Aging and Disability Advisory Committee, Edward Proek and Rachel Scholar. Okay, motion for approval. I'll make motion made for approval. Christian and Tom, you had your hands up at the same time. I will second >> and seconded by Christ. >> Discussion on a motion for approval of the appointments by the >> county. [laughter] Okay. Hearing none. All those in favor please your hand and [clears throat] keep it up there. Supervisor Clark. >> I should I. >> Thank you. just weaker presentations tonight. Brian Olson, transportation director with an overview of the highway division work. >> Good evening everyone. Ryan Wilson for those who don't transportation director here at Christian County. Just for background view that means I'm director of the airport division and the highway division. So today we're going to focus a little more on the highway division. So we are giving you a little bit of an overview of how we use funds the sales tax and the daytoday operations department. All right start out with what is seal coding. So you may have heard the term seal coding. You probably wondered what that meant in more years. Well, give you a little background here. Silver protects that protective layer from damaging you can water from penetrating and black. So, we black it and in the future we'll go seal it kind of like maybe you do with your driveway if you have a black top driver or something. You seal it a couple years later. Same similar process. We do that with rules. We apply the oil sealer with stone shell as you can see in the air strip. The truck on the left is where flying oil and then our machine in the middle there is pulling over our trucks with stone in it. A lot of black granite stone which I'll get to that a little bit why we use black granite to the protective layer over the road. Then step two after that remove the stone for clean up lining ready to go again. This coating helps us produce longer life out of our roads. So we have a number of years out of this asphalt seal coated. The first time we did an additional 10 years and we seal coated it again a second time if it's in good shape adding on to those years throughout the time. This is a very cost effective way for us to preserve roads. So seal coating as you see some more pictures the average cost average width of a road west 34 20t um is about $22,000 a mile. This one you may have heard us talk about paving as of August 13th this morning county pass 76,000 tons of black today to that day we use black commonly for overlays um also other such federal roads that have been for milling operations or reconstruction as you can see our staff in the middle There is actually like I said earlier this is through our own act of passhold plan through the support of the county board 2024 we open our plan that we currently using today we place our one that was purchased back in 1985 the average about 130,000 tons of asphold here so you can see we're a little over halfway so far will be gone before we get ready for coming up this year all right milling you ever heard the term milling this is where milling blown rising in the common terms that people always got to ask a lot of questions people. Well, milling means that we take off a layer of black top off the roof. So, if you're taking a roll and you decide to take off two, three inches, you mill it off. See, it gets loaded into a truck. We use that as we take that back to our asphalt plant. We recycle that. Take it back to our mix. We make a ton of asphalt. 25% of that ton of asphalt we produce early on has 25% recycled asphalt in. So ultimately we do a recycling program using our laptop over helps us to keep down our cost by just using material but as well helps us to protect our investment in the gravel bit. We only have so much gravel in the bit. We want to make it stretch all. So when we do this as after we're done with this then we'll tack the road and repave it. The average cost one milling operation to up to $300,000 pulverizing using existing road to enhance the base. As you can see in the picture, it looks like it's basically pulverizing or digging the road up. For a lot of people, they compare this to like a road tiller used to your garden. How we grinds it out. It's kind of some similar process. You grind through the existing black top there to create that. Then we can regrade that road to reshape it. A lot of times we'll do this process if the road is inverted. Inverted means the road has a dip in it where it's not crown or water sits on it. We want to grind it up so we can reshape it. So it's key that we can get a road to be crowned the water sheds off the road, not sits on the road. It's kind of like similar a roof on your house has a peak, right? So water doesn't sit on it. Very similar operation. You want water off your house, right? Same thing. We want basically our roads. You want water to get to fish line. That's where we need it off the road not causing damage because in the winter time that water gets down through the cracks when it freezes the process overwhelm that's what causes a lot of tremendous damage to see a propert cost when you do a bulberizon like this is $400,000 construction so when I mean by reconstruction that means the full reconstruction that's top to bottom we do a complete over the entire road this is coming front double L down just on the east side of Cedar Grove a couple years ago. We took it, took the old bed out, took all the undering of the roadless out, all new culverts, all new drainage, everything gets redone on the road. What we're trying to do is this is the exact same spots with the fisher ultimately redoing. It's full reconstruction kind of similar if you can compare that to something you may do at your house. You're not just if you're going to do a full construction, you're starting from the ground up. It's kind of the same thing with a road. We're starting at the ground up. the whole process trying to get the most longevity on the boat. Commonly, you'll see this on a lot of our core collectors. They're narrower roads that carry a lot of traffic throughout the county. We want to make sure that we get traffic to the right location. We make them safe, move, take all curves, intersections, start reconstruction, no long-term enhancements towards rebuilding infrastructure. I also heard I've heard somebody say that oh excuse me I'll go back one second I apologize reconstruction is about $2 million a mile right now quite expensive but it also gets us to the longterm places so this picture you can see here the center of the road is is a picture in the middle excuse me shows the center of the road both sides so the picture on the right screen you're looking at shows that the dishes have been redone You regraded it. Picture on the left shows what it was prior to what we did in the picture on the right. No shoulder, very steep dishes. We work within the rightway. We try to keep better drainage structure and more support for the road. By support for road and you put that extra shoulder on there to support the edge of the road. Any traffic when it runs off the edge of a road, if there's no support there will break off the edge of the road. We want to make sure we have a support structure there going. So on the right you can see that the gravel is wider like dishes are slow easier for any mowing operations or if a car goes a ditch it's easier for things like that so they drive back out instead of that's what we call a better average cost per mile working on both sides of the road there is about $200,000 other things you probably have heard us talk about over the years is equipment. So in 2004 this truck you're actually seeing the bottom the picture was taken in January 2004 was brand new this truck cost about $140,000 over years you get automatic probably the purchase car since 2004 or something large scale all this prices have gone up since then different things attributed to emission changes on vehicles especially on the diesel engineers inflation supply chain issues that exact same version of a truck we call this a tan truck set up fully like it is dressed for winter we addressed in 2027 that same truck will cost us $420,000. It's a large large increase you see over the other. It's not we're not the only ones obviously that's something you're seeing in all industries for people but see miles and we touch on this shortly but this uh sales tax is our 10th year going for this. You can see prior up on the left hand side 2010 through 2016 that was the miles mileage that was paid averagely each year in 2017 when seals put in place mile you see back down a little bit we're doing more of the construction and fixings and ditches and stuff so we're not actually more miles we're increasing the miles slightly but we're increasing what we're doing within those miles you can also see prior 2016 you can see in the middle there 2011 11 12 and 13 body years into the bond for black is going to ask I know it's a little hard to see but this is a picture of every year since 2017 the colors might be a little hard to pick out maybe in your district or the area when you travel you see what this is all the rules that have been done since then you'll see a lot of spaces we haven't done this so >> yeah quick question How do you determine on any given road whether it gets milled or whether it gets got totally replaced? already total the total reconstruction is based more on like I said earlier if it's a corridor um example 28 and 2029 we're going to be doing old west airport that's kind of becoming a corridor with 23 that people are avoiding trying to get on to 23 that corridor for a connector we did C we're finishing C on the south side this year so on that side we want to finish across there make that match if there alternate route that say it's a narrow road right now. Um crewies want to widen out make sure they give them the best u they can for travel system. Um polizing and milling that based on the milling also big benefit with milling is we don't increase the height of the road. We overlay the road. Every time you overlay the road it keeps going higher. Your ditches get steeper right as you go up. So we can mill it down. We can match existing driveways, existing intersections and keep the road the same height and pulverizing. We can also reduce it. It's got shoulders. We widen their boat like over. It kind of all depends on the knee which where each road is located, how it fits into. >> Thank you. We have a question. >> Yes. Go ahead. Um, have you increased the amount of county uh roads or decreased? The last time we added a Coney Rogue was 2013 when Coney Trunk DL became existent. We gave up Coney Trunk LS at that time to the town. We took on Coney Trunk DL. We switched we swapped roads. Mileage wise I believe we decreased slightly because the curve where it curves along the lake. We have not basically stayed about the same. My career actually over 31 years. So, >> next, >> considering all of what you've shared, what do you think is the average age of a road considering that you remove before you repave overall before you have to remove everything? What do you I know it's an approximation, but what do you think the average age of a road is? That's a typical um average typical top layer current layer that's there now or >> telling you after we meet out of all of the asphalt. We have roads that in place we've done culver are 22 inches thick of asphalt. Okay. >> And some are six inches and four inches. It varies. >> Okay. Um some of those roads like country and some places are 22 in thick. I know it is. We've been cover but that's also one of the more historic or older roads in Shibuy County back from way back in the day. [laughter] We we try not to I guess it's hard to put it exactly on every road but >> no I know you won't have an exact answer but approximation of how long a road last in society >> well in the goal now is there's a lot of people working towards road to 30 we're trying to get 30 years I've been county and there's enough I know that because I managed enough not very many of Okay, thank you. That's what I was going to try to get a feel for an approximation. >> Um I don't know if you can do percentage wise or what, but uh how much how much uh black drop from the uh uh gets transferred to >> good questions. Um over 70 some thousand tons we've made this year it's under half will be produced. We've done a lot of the county roads so far but right now sides are around today. Um a lot of lot of following road projects. So an average little under half of what you produce every year goes to the localics and our crews are doing that work. Um the seia way also buys black top from us. That's not our staff working but that's their staff. They they'll buy some,000 tons a year. Um year roughly for just for your reference now that's 76,000 tons. That's about 3,400 loads of black top by our staff. blue trucks that on black top today but then this winter are also the one that was in the picture actually will be plowing I43 this winter almost blacked out today but then be >> and what do what do the towns pay for >> same same price that we're paying to come we all drive we all use the road [laughter] I'm nervous Mr. Chair. >> Yes. >> Hi. Uh, Supervisor Clark. Maybe it's kind of hard to hear sometimes and maybe you're going to get to this in a bit, but I like um the shared uh buying of the asphalt and stuff. I think that's tremendous. Do you know do we work [clears throat] uh with other municipalities or the city in buying salt? I know salt is kind of or brine has gotten expensive. Is that something that we try to purchase with other areas to reduce the cost? >> I'd like to answer, but I don't know. >> Yes, we do. Uh there is a for road there is a G contract price can pay. So Wisconsin Department of Transportation bids out salt throughout the state. All municipalities can go on to that price to get the best price. Bang for basically bang for your buck type thing. As for salt that's made into that's solar salt, there is a consortium throughout the state of Wisconsin of counties and villages and cities that buy that as well in bulk and tech and we are Shu County is the leader actually we help with that. We're one of the leaders in writing that consortium pricing and stuff. We try to do it all like you said bulk pricing >> right. I think you got an award for that or something. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other comments or questions have not any public addresses? None. Any letters or communications at all? We have a few uh resolutions that came from uh let's see there's one from a sher county urging our state legislature and governor to expand the definition of forfeite expenses. Okay, we will I will recommend that go through the law committee. Okay. And then there are four resolutions, Clark, Green, Monroe, and Wood. All um supporting sustainable state funding for local public health departments. We'll receive those for information. That's all I have. Thank you. Now we'll have a demon report. >> Good evening everyone. I want to start off by thanking Brian for his presentation tonight. I know it's been a couple years since the board has heard from the transportation department and thought it would be helpful to hear not only some of the work that they've been up to, but also some updated pricing as costs continue to skyrocket um in his industry. Um in addition, it'll dovtail nicely into one of the topics that I will be speaking on. Um so first and foremost uh resolution number six which is in your packet in consideration [laughter] this evening is approving the standard intergovernmental agreement for the county sales tax revenue program. This is a standard practice something that we go through um every single year since the inception of the sales tax. And for your memory the um intergovernmental agreements are signed annually between the county and each of the municipalities. And the funds can only be used on transportation projects within their own municipalities. And the amount that we distribute is based on equalized value and is based on our revenue growth. So this is a program that's very appreciated by the municipalities and it helps ensure that our transportation network countywide is um maintained and is safe for our residents and visitors to travel on. To give you a little bit of context with the revenue sharing program, this graph illustrates the mean revenue uh that we have shared with municipalities since the inception of the program between 2017 and 2025. As you can see at the bottom, we've shared just over $15.7 million with our local municipalities. In 2026, you can see that's denoted with an asterk. That is our budget figure of 2.4 million. And for 2027, we are anticipating that that program will continue to increase by approximately 1.5% which mirrors prior year growth in our sales tax revenue. So you might be thinking, well, how does this compare to how much we've received in total? So this graph represents how much uh the county has received again since inception. And as you can see at the bottom there, the total between 2017 and 2025, we've received just over $19 million. So, chapter 7 directs that annually I give a sales tax revenue report to the board indicating how much we need to get in. Um, and as you can see from this graph, the sales tax revenue continues to exceed our expectations and has seen growth year over year with the smallest growth happening in 2020. Obviously due to the pandemic time frames. In addition in 2024 we had a slightly larger increase and if you recall that was because the state changed their process and they reduced their administrative fee that they take and they reduced it from 1.75% down to 75%. So that helped us retain more of that revenue. Again 2026 is denoted with an asterisk and that is our budgeted figure of 15.4 million. You'll note that that is slightly less than 2025 and that is because when we're setting our budget at this time of the year, we don't know what our current year actuals will be and we always want to budget conservatively so that we aren't um estimating too high and our revenues um don't come in below what we're estimating. Current year 2026 is on track to exceed 2025. Our year-to- date numbers are roughly 23% above last year at this time. So it is much higher than we anticipated and we're seeing uh exponential growth this year in in revenue and as you learned from Ryan the cost of everything continues to increase. So having this revenue source is vitally important to our organization not only so that we can maintain our transportation network but so that we have source of revenue and the highway department doesn't need to rely on tax levy and or bonding for projects as we have done in the past. All right. Next, I'm going to talk about a couple other items that are in your packet this evening for consideration. First is resolution number nine, and this is regarding the uh Shabban County Broton Marsh Management Plan. We last updated this plan in 2013. We typically try to update it roughly every 10 years, but with the construction of the new dam, we wanted to wait until that was complete before we published a new plan so the plan could be reflective of the the new dam. If you had a chance to review the the lengthy document that was shared, you'll see that it outlines a lot of the history of the marsh and specifically some of the expenditures that the county had been um experiencing uh due to the the cattail removal as well as the water levels which are now better the new dam. This plan gives us a game plan along with the Wisconsin DNR for the next roughly 10 years on different projects and goals that we'd like to accomplish. And to give you a flavor for the um input that went into developing the plan, we hosted two public open houses and the Shwagen County Recreational Facilities Management Advisory Committee had Yeah, it's a mouthful that you committed. Uh we affectionately uh refer to it as the acronym SCRIMAC. They had three public meetings uh where the plan was discussed and the planning and conservation department also sent out a survey to 500 households within the county to garner additional uh feedback and public input. So, some of the big takeaways that we learned from all of those were that the um respondents wanted us to continue to provide and expand educational opportunities, keep the surrounding area from being developed, provide more recreational opportunities like boardwalks, trails, and maintain the fishing and hunting opportunities. Clear our ditches of debris, make them more accessible, and consider dredging the self ditch. So I just want to thank everyone for their work on this, not only the committees but the public who provided it and all the work that went into this document for the next 10 years so that we can not only preserve but also enhance the important ecological asset. >> Another question um >> okay how far along are we on the boardwalk up there? The boardwalk construction hasn't started. We are in the fundraising uh stage for that and it was included in the plan for next year. >> Okay. Next is resolution number seven and this is regarding renewing the corporation council contract. So the county for those of you who don't know contracts with hopy for our legal services and we've had a strong partnership with that law firm for decades. The contracts are four-year terms and this resolution would be approving the 2027 to 2030 term. The contract by and large has stayed the same from prior years and uh the changes include the update updated compensation for services which reflects a 4% increase in 2027 and 2028 and a 3% increase in 2029 and 2030. Um, in addition, the other change was the reporting cadence to the HR committee on the hours worked per department and that was updated based on the committee's preference for uh reporting. And then last but not least, ordinance number one, which is regarding repealing and recreating chapter 45 for meal and mileage reimbursement aids. This ordinance proposes several changes to chapter 45, but the two most uh substantive changes include increasing our mileage in meal reimbursement rates, which I think many would argue is long overdue. So, specifically with the mileage reimbursement, historically, we've followed the state reimbursement rate, which is currently at 51 cents per mile. And the recommendation which is outlined in the ordinance is a staggered increase over the next couple of years so that we reach the IRS business reimbursement rate by 2029. This approach will allow us to phase in the change and avoid a significant increase in one year. Second, for the meal reimbursements, our meal reimbursement rates were set nearly 30 years ago. Um the deputy administrator recommended that I share with you how old I was at that point, but I think I'll defer on that. Uh but to give you some context, these have not changed in a very very long time. Um and as I said earlier, we're we're overdue. So we researched what other municipalities do for their reimbursement rates as well as what the US General Services Administration rates are set for the state of Wisconsin. And as I'm sure you will all be surprised to hear, we were well below average. Um so we made a recommendation and it is that based on the the research as well as CPI increases over that time but also take into consideration our internal budget constraints. And so the recommendation included in the ordinance is a increase of 50% to the meals. So breakfast will go from $8 to 11, lunch will go from $10 to 14 and dinner will go from $14 to 23. Um, in addition, we've also, as part of the cleanup of the ordinance, we um clean up some of the outdated or redundant language that was included in chapter 45. And I should also note that the uh recommended increases for both mileage and meal reimbursement can be absorbed in our current budget and are being planned more accordingly as we develop the 2027 budget. In addition, there were several amendments that were proposed by the finance committee. that was also included in your packet and I'll just step through those briefly as well. The first amendment was to require all department heads to get pre-approval from the county administrative for out of state travel. The second was to add a clause that county board members are entitled to mileage reimbursement without committee approval for any county board meetings they attend. And then the third is to clarify that county board members are also entitled to mileage reimbursement for attendance at public functions as a representative of a committee if such attendance is authorized by the committee being represented or the executive committee. And so if this ordinance is approved tonight, the effective date would be October 1st, which was done intentionally to allow us time to communicate staff to changes um make changes to your reimbursement forms and make changes in our administrators. We have to take one or two questions clear. Okay, moving on to consideration of committee reports. Executive committee resolution number six, approving standard intergovernmental agreement for 2027 county sales tax revenue sharing recommendation. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll move for passage of resolution number six. >> Motion I will second that motion. Second the motion. Okay. Uh [clears throat] resolution six. Uh there's a motion on the table to determine approval of the intergovernmental 2027 county sales tax revenue sharing. Any questions or comments? Vote hearing none. See, please vote. All in favor? I >> should approve unanimously. Thank you. Resolution number eight regarding adoption of 401 retirement plan recommendation. Well, the committee recommendation that additional time to be granted to consider resolution number nine adopting a 2026 county road and marsh management plan recommendation. >> Mr. Chair, >> Mr. Nelson, >> thank you. Mr. Chair, >> supervisor second, but that's okay. Okay, thank you. Yeah, the hands under. [clears throat] >> Thank you though, Rebecca. Um motion and second for approval of the where am I here? >> Yeah, we got nine adopting the 26 going C bro management. Are there any questions or comments? I think we have Aaron broke online. If there are any questions about specifics to this, we're happy to answer them. Any comments or questions? Okay, hearing none. All those in favor? >> I thank you. Okay. >> It is unanimous. Thank you. Committee reports to the finance committee. Resolution >> regarding renewing corporation council contract recommendation to adopt chairman. I move for adoption. Okay. Motion's been made and seconded for resolution number seven for approval. Are there any questions and comments at this time? Can I help you? >> I have comments. Thank you, Chairman, Vice Chair, and fellow supervisors. Tonight, I will you to ask questions as far as what is Crystal's responsibilities are as court council for county. However, I recently sat in on a budget meeting tied to law committee and asked a question for DA, Judge Sic. My question to them was how does the firm law firm of hot Newman at provide service to your department? The DA's office responded by has the following. Crystal has worked on animal cases, reviews documents for the DA's office at times that Joel has. Joel stressed Crystal was quick to respond. Angela responded as the following. The judge often seeks advice from Crystal on cases bailed by equity and is very quick to respond. Both departments emphasized how important it was because of Crystal's quick response to their department's needs made all the difference on cases they were working on when timing is a critical factor. I ask all of you when you're picking out someone to work on your car or even your hairdresser. Sometimes it's just not about cost, but it's about service that is provided. In summary, I will be casting my vote in support of this resolution. Thank you, Super before we take a vote. I hear none. I see none. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Clark. Thank you. Office number one compliance repealing and recreating chapter 45 mail and mileage reimbursements. Uh recommendation to amend for committee report and act and enact as amended supervisor. >> Thank you Mr. Chair. I'll move for passage of ordinance number one. >> Supervisor C has supported that motion made and seconded for support of ordinance number one repealing regra chapter 45 mileage and reversal rates. Any discussion or comments? >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes Clark. Yes. >> Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. I just wanted some clarification on one thing, a couple of things. Um any out ofstate travel by a department head does that include elected department heads >> in what manner? I'm not quite understanding as >> well any out of state travel by department head must be preapproved by the county administrator and that includes elected department heads. Correct? >> Yes and no. [clears throat] by the committee they're representing for one and anybody want >> my my opinion is that the our elected department heads have a lot of freedom in how they run their offices but the county board does control the budget. I think the expectation would be that the county administrator is contacted by those elected official department heads and I think there would be a degree of approval maybe that could hold them to that if they decided that there was money in their budget that allowed them to travel. I think it'll be in part a budget issue. Can you hear that Rebecca from our >> I can. So ultimately then I if I'm read Okay. So then it would be the county administrator and also the the committee overseeing the um department with the elected department head. >> Yes. >> Yes. And that's how the chapter is written. >> That's how the chapter is written also. >> Approval. >> Thank you Mr. Chair. Can I chair? Can I can I have one more clarification? >> Certainly. So, uh, with the county board supervisors entitled to mileage for attendance at public functions or hearings as representative of a committee of the board, does that also include the pdium as well as the mileage >> when >> and I can speak to that. Um, so this section of the county code in in chapter 45 really just deals with the mileage. Um, so we do have language elsewhere in the code that deals with the perdm. It's my understanding that that would be um governed by I think it's in chapter 2. Um, we have the perdm language. So I'd have to refer to that. But I think if that is approved, there would be both the perdm and the mileage that the individual will be entitled to. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. Any other questions? Comments? Okay, this is your last opportunity. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Supervisor Clark, call your votes. >> I >> thank you. >> Thank you. I'll hand the g over to supervisor Brower and resolution introduced. Resolution number 10. the uh 2027 5-year capital plan that will be referred to the executive committee. Resolution number 11, >> approval of lease agreement with Shboan County Conservation Association to operate a present rearing facility in Chboan County. >> That will be referred to the property committee. Resolution number 12, >> approving temporary limited easement and permanent limited easement to the city of Shuagan for Southside sewer project. That will be referred to the executive committee. Resolution number 13 authorizing purchase of 503 Wisconsin Avenue from Catholic Social Services Arch Dascese in Milwaukee. That will be referred to finance committee president number 14 authorizing county aid for culvert and replacements in the towns of Holland and it will also be referred to finance. Next on the agenda ordinance is introduced none. >> Okay. Next item. Pursuant to county board rule 2.01 01. The county board chair determined that it is appropriate to alter the meeting location for September 15, 2026 to the Shoen County Administration building, 508 New York Avenue, conference room 302, Wisconsin. Supervisor Garing will be helping you with the next item on the agenda. Thank you, Mr. Vice Chairman. I move I will see a second supervisor. Check us out. >> Okay. All in favor of journ please raise [clears throat] your hand. >> Supervisor Clark. [music] >> [music]