Consequences of Meddling with Life Energies | Sadhguru

[music] So I went into Malbury plantation. You know what's Malbury? So all the money that I have I put it in the farm. But there is lot of wild bush [music] on the side. So I told my man, the labor who was in the farm. 2 days [music] I have to go out somewhere. I'll come back and we'll burn it. So I'm just riding and coming towards the farm in the morning. I just looked at that point. Everything is burnt out. My man is scared. But an enormous amount of money has been lost. Time has been lost. And I just [music] burst out laughing. [laughter] Now simi means only one minute is holding on to the body. When somebody's like that, they'll go for [music] good. Then we say you are mahasa samadi. We don't want you to go there right now. There are any number of people here that I can get you into your samadi state very easily. In a moment we can get them to edge of life. When we preparing people for the consecration at that time I interfere with their life process. Every other day I have bizarre diseases in my body. What a terrible amatic attacks I had. Over a liter and a half of blood. I just vomited. Doctor saw me and said, "It looks like it's done. Done. Your time has come." Lisha [music] yoga center. The people who are there, they have put in enormous amount of work upon themselves. They will become wonderful healers. But if anybody attempts anything like that, that's the end between me and them. They will never know anything spiritual in their life. If you look at humanity, you see uh human beings have gotten themselves totally distorted. Distorted faces you can see all over. When I say distorted, it doesn't mean that your face has to be smashed up. [laughter] A joyless face is a distorted face, isn't it? Isn't it? So, >> it is not the shape of your nose. It is not the size of your mouth. It is not the shape and size of your chin or cheek which makes you beautiful. When you're joyful, you are wonderful. Listen to any face in the world when it is joyful is it a beautiful face? So all the joyless faces are distorted simply because uh they lost the awareness of what this is about. If you're not aware, you can very easily get distorted. One day [sighs] a man went to his office and he had a badly burnt up face on one side. People looked at him and asked what happened. He said, "Uh, I was just attending to the telephone." Said, "What? You are attending to telephone and you got burnt like this. Your whole face is gone. How can that happen with a telephone?" No, I was just doing the iron and the phone rang. [laughter] So if you're not aware, [laughter] you will become distorted. Just the simple process of life is just twisting you out of shape, isn't it? Yes. Just the simple process of life is completely twisting people out of shape. I want you to just take a picture of yours when you were eight or 10 or whatever. Just see your faces were like this now like this [laughter] distorted faces isn't it why you become distorted means everybody has an excuse wonderful excuse oh maybe everything is going very well for Sguru >> [laughter] >> With all of you around, how can everything go well? [laughter] [clears throat] when I was uh [laughter] I uh you know I was in business and then you know this happened. [laughter] I just dropped all that as it was. I handed over everything just the way it was. didn't bother to take my money out of it and all those things that are needed you know when you're working together when you want to part you know you have to do many things to get all that I'm not willing to go through all that I just left everything as it was it didn't mean anything to me anyway I had my farm this that so many things then I want to [music] just get rid of all this and I want to set up a farm I'm in a remote place. This is a [clears throat] small hill, a nice slope. At the base of the slope, there's a wonderful lake. This is a slope that I've been using to fly hang gliders. So, I decided to set up a farm there so that if nothing else happens, I'll fly. [laughter] So I bought this land and started working this and you know planted coconuts and mangoes and this and that and these things won't yield for 5 6 years they won't bring any money they only make you spend many things happened and uh then first two crops I made some cotton this that worked out well then I thought I'll go into something else which is more cash rich so that I can do it for some time and I'm teaching off and on not full-time but traveling and teaching I want to establish something I had a doctor with me this guy had a passion for handicapped children especially mentally handicapped children he wanted to do something I said uh okay this farm is there I will set something for you said if you build a place for me I'll dedicate dedicate my whole life for this people say such things I believe them [laughter] uh and I was working towards establishing that for him so that you know in my land this can go on [clears throat and cough] but to keep everything going you have to make some crop so I went into malbury plantation. You know what's malbury? Making silk. It is very intensive cultivation. It in you know I put everything that I have. I have not recovered anything from my businesses. So all the money that I have I put it in the farm made this whole crop. It is just at its prime. But there is lot of wild bush on the side. I'm using it as mulch. So I don't want to destroy it completely till a certain point. But now its time has come because once this malbury leaf is there every kind of insect wants to come because it's rich very protein richch leaf all insects want to come and eat. So I had to clear the bush. Now clearing the bush manually would take lot of labor and time and effort. So the only way is to burn it. So I told my man the labor who was in the farm like this we are going to burn it this way in a controlled way we're going to burn it so that it doesn't hurt the marbari this is how to do this is how to do I told him I told him you wait anyway don't do it when I'm not there 2 days I have to go out somewhere [music] I'll come back and we'll burn it this is the things that you need to do these are the preparations that you must do I went for 2 days I couldn't get back on time. I came back two days later. Then those are my still my motorcycle days. So I'm just riding and coming towards the farm in the morning. There is one point on the hill when I just go up on the road. I can just have a glimpse of the farm just for few seconds and then I have to go around another four 5 km and get back to the farm. I just looked at that point. Everything is burnt out. [laughter] My whole crop, my investment, everything is was what was rich green has become black. Just for a few seconds, I just saw and I passed on. Then uh when I just thought everything that I put in, all the effort that it took for almost 8 months and I just burst out laughing. [laughter] I was laughing my head off and riding down the hill. Then I came and entered the village. When they heard the motorcycle, they all came running. >> [laughter] >> That mean you know what happened? What happened? I know I shouldn't laugh in front of them. They will think I've gone totally nuts. I just control myself. I said, "Okay, okay. I know. I saw it." They said, "Oh, this happened, that happened. Oh, they're all, you know, hollering because they've all worked in my farm and they know what it's taken. They know how much money is involved." Then I said, "It's okay. Let me go and see. Then I came to the farm. My man is scared. He heard the motorcycle and he ran into the mountains [laughter] and he left his wife there to handle the situation. [laughter] [clears throat and laughter] You know, it's his own wisdom. >> [laughter] >> He thought uh a situation like this it's better faced by the woman than him. [laughter] So I just looked at the whole scene and I was just my head was bursting with laughter because I know suddenly I was unemployed for some time because this meant lot of activity in the next few months. And suddenly I was unemployed and uh I would have nothing to do for some time which is making me extremely happy. But an enormous amount of money has been lost, time has been lost. Then uh I just you know some payments had to be made. I just looked at her didn't say anything. She was all in tears and uh I asked where is he? She showed the mountains. [laughter] He's gone there. And I said okay there's some labor payment to be made. You make this and I left. I didn't have to go back to the farm another you know month or so. So I went back home and uh my wife Viji was working at that time. I went home and uh then there was nothing to do. Then I went I thought lunchtime I'll go out and take her for lunch. I just went there. She was not expecting me because I've taken my lunch everything and gone to the farm. I won't come till late evening. Then I went and said how come you here? I said, "Uh, no. I have nothing to do. I'm free." And the crap is totally burnt and I have nothing to do. It's we are free. Said, "What?" She went and fit. [laughter] I said, "What are you getting so excited? I've been thinking." Anyway, I was thinking of doing a program in a coastal town. At that time I just picked the most beautiful place and did the program. I didn't have these kind of compulsions of going and going. I just went and did programs where I wanted. So we'll go to Mangalore. I decided tonight we'll ride to Mangalore because it's on the coast and beautiful. Let's go there and see what to do. She was all gone and I took her out and then she said, "How can you be like this? What do you think you're doing? What do you know what how much money is gone?" I said, "Uh, okay. If you're so excited, I'm leaving for some time. I'll come back after 10 days. You tell me when you're down, then I'll come back." Then she sat there and then she smiled and said, "Okay, you're not bothered. So what's my problem?" I said, "You got the point." So [laughter] what's your problem? I am the one who did the work. I did everything. Now it's gone. And it was quite funny the way [music] we wanted to burn the bush and burn the whole crop and left. So the question is not whether something is going right or wrong. Many things in the outside go right, go wrong, something happens, you know, we try to manage them. Sometimes they go off outside is anyway gone wrong. At least inside you can keep it blissful. So I decided to start a bliss party. Not Democrats, not Republicans. Bliss party. I'm just trying to add numbers to my party. Are you interested? >> So that's fine. [laughter] When you look closely at a person, can you actually [music] sense whether they are being real or fake? >> I'm not looking whether somebody's real or fake because nobody's fake. Everybody's real. Maybe real gold or real but everybody's real. [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Nobody's fake. [laughter] It is just that it is not even that people don't want to change. They want to change somewhere deep [music] down. But the surface core the surface is so hard that it doesn't allow the core to find expression. [clears throat] That's why we call them nuts. [laughter] The core is good. The surface is so hard. You just, you know, you take a nut, you have to hit it the right place. Top, it'll crack. You hit it all over, it doesn't crack, isn't it? It may break your teeth but the right point if you hold it tuck it opens up inside is wonderful. Yes. All nuts are wonderful inside isn't it? The surface problems. So the surface problems handling that unless we create a right kind of situation where we can crack them you cannot even approach it when they're out on the street you cannot even approach it isn't it become disastrous if you approach them outside you just have to get them in the right place before you try to crack So is there anybody who does not want to transform? No. Everybody wants to transform, [music] but they don't know what it means to transform. They just don't know what it means to transform. They're genuinely ignor ignorant. They're not fakes. They're genuinely ignorant. That's all. They're genuinely ignorant of their own nature. [clears throat] There is no faking about it. It's 100% [music] genuine. Isn't it? So, so we are just saying what instrument we have to use on a particular nut. >> I'm a Raiki practitioner. I've heard you say that healing may push problems deeper rather than truly resolving them. I'm wondering if I should stop practicing Reiki say uh especially in the last uh probably 10 years now the last 10 years this healing business is becoming a huge thing around the world mainly in the last 10 years isn't it especially in places like India this was unheard of [snorts] but today it's every street corner there are healers with all this healing done are people genuinely healthier is it so there's so many healers everywhere the volume of people going to the hospital should have dropped Has it dropped? I'm asking now. I'm not trying to blame these people that people are still is going to the hospital. It is just that for a lot of people nobody has even touched them with any sense of involvement with them. So all such people I see are always going to healers and massage therapists and others [music] because they want to be touched by somebody. Probably even as children nobody really touched them. Touching does not mean all the time somebody should be touching you. Somebody just one moment of involvement you know because a human being is longing for involvement. Not for touch, not for sex, not for kiss, not for something. He's basically longing for deep sense of involvement with something. Isn't it? Generally people understand these acts or as acts of deep involvement. But today we have learned that these things [music] can be done without any sense of involvement. Isn't it so? without absolutely any sense of involvement all those things can be done. So there is a deep desperation in people [music] that they want to be at least touched. Doctor will wear gloves and touch. A lot of people when when they lack love in their life they keep falling sick falling sick falling sick just because they want little attention from everybody around them. They want somebody to touch and see is this okay? Is this okay? Is this okay? You know they just they just want to be touched. But now the doctor doesn't touch. He puts you through the cat scan. All this man means somebody wants him to touch all over and failure. Oh, it's okay. Nothing wrong. Am I okay, doctor? Yes, you're okay. He'll okay. But now if you say something, okay, cats can and they don't even stain your blood a little more gayish color or lavender or pink or something. You know, you know what I'm talking about. [snorts] No, when you go through a cat skin, they're going to stain your blood. You know, they're not even putting little more exuberant color into your blood. [laughter] They make you drink the gooey stuff and then put something else and go through a machine and you come out. The touch, the human touch is going away in everything. So, massage therapists and healers and others are becoming naturally popular. And these dogs and cats on whom you're depending for your emotional security, they don't touch. They wait for you to touch. Yes, they are even more demanding than you. They want to be touched. Your cat comes and demands, I want to be touched, isn't it? It is not willing to touch you and make you feel good. It is expecting you to do all the jobs. Now these raikes and other things are all dropouts from Zen and Tao ways of spiritual processes. These are things which dropped out of ministries because when they do such things truly established spiritual monasteries pushed them out. So these people started their own things. Even today see the level of sadena the level of inner work that people are doing in for example in Isha yoga center the people who are there they have put in enormous amount of work upon themselves. If they want to move into healing they will become wonderful healers. But if anybody attempts anything like that that's the end between me and them. Not only the sand between me and them, I will also peg them in such a way they will never know anything spiritual in their life. This is not in revenge. This is for their own safety. So any genuine spiritual process never allows any kind of healing. >> Can you elaborate on what you just spoke about healing? Because medical sciences also meddle with life using medicines and other forms of treatment. So there seems to be a fine line between the two. >> There's no fine line. It's a clearcut issue. I want you to understand every action that you perform there is always a consequence to it. That's what we are talking about as karma. Every single action, every breath, every thought, [music] every emotion, every act that you perform physically, [music] there is a consequence to it because life is happening between cause and effect all the time. So if you take an a aspirin, there is a consequence to it. Somebody is drowning in a lake. If you try to save him, there are many possible consequences to it, isn't it? You could join the drowning party. You may bring him out. There's so many things that can happen. There is a consequence to everything that you do. Now, when you try to intervene not on the level of the mind, not on the level of the emotion, not on the level of the body, but you're trying to intervene on the level of your life energies. You are trying to live life without consequences. for this there is a very big consequence which is not necessary for that person or for you that's why that's why no healing because there are various reasons for this one thing is you yourself have no complete mastery over your own life energies you just learned this if If you're in a absolute mastery of your own life energies, you know all the nuts and bolts of it, you can dismantle your life and put it back. That's what yoga means. Yoga does not mean just holding your breath or twisting [music] your body or you know being a little peaceful. No, yoga fundamentally means as a technology you begin to understand all the nuts and bolts of life. You can pull down your life and put back your life. Completely dismantle the life process and put it back once again. Now if you are like this then in certain situations it could be done. I don't know if I should go into this but I'm sure this question is there in people's minds. So at a certain time about uh I I'm not good with dates [laughter] uh probably 7 years ago 7 8 years ago when I started looking for a few people that I needed to consecrate the lingum. When I started, I had started this long ago, but when I started effective kind of work, when I began to speak about it about 8 n years ago, I identified a few people who could be instrumental in making this happen. So, we were looking for 14 people, seven men and seven women, who are of a certain capabilities within themselves. One of the basic capability that we want is that in a moment we can get them to edge of life. They're barely in the body. You know few people are going like that here now. They're barely in their body. It's like they're on the edge. Now when people are in such states, we allow such states to happen only in a protected atmosphere. Never simply anywhere because simply anywhere could be dangerous. When people go into certain states of samadhi where their contact has become minimal with the body right now your contact with the body is 100% isn't it? Unless your legs have gone numb right now [laughter] otherwise your contact with the body is 100%. Isn't it? Sometimes you might have noticed when you're sitting in Shunya meditation your contact with the body is not 100%. Maybe 70% maybe 80% but not 100%. Have you noticed this? So the whole effort is to take it to your point where your contact with the body is minimal just onepointed. That is that means you are not existing here as a body. You are not existing here as a physical entity anymore but you're still holding on to the body. You still retain the body but you are not in your experience anymore existing here as a physical entity. Only when your experience goes beyond the physical we can say you are spiritual. Otherwise it's all empty talk. Everything else is simply empty talk. Unless experientially you transcend the limitations of the physical, there is no such thing as spiritual. There's too much empty talk going on. People read two pages of some scripture and they think they're spiritual. They learn some stupid prayer where they're begging in the morning, [music] they think they're spiritual. No. Only if you transcend the limitations of the physical, you are spiritual. Otherwise, there is no spirituality. just talk. So in shunya meditation you are becoming 20 30% spiritual. [laughter] Remaining 70% drags you back all the time. Now simadi means you have become 99.999% spiritual. Only one minute point is holding on to the body because we want to retain the body. If you drop this Then we say you are maha samadi that means you're in a great samadhi that means you left the body. We don't want you to go there right now. We want to retain the body. We want to see the physical body is a wonderful machine. We want to see that it runs its full course. We are not interested in dumping the body when it's still capable of doing much. We want to see that it runs it full course. When we feel that it's beginning to fade, then we will dump it. Right now we don't want to dump it. So when people are in samadi states where their contact is very minimal with the physical body, then we keep them very protected because they may not have the necessary balance to hold on if there are disturbances. When somebody's like that, they'll go for good. One pin prick enough. Just take a pin and poke that man in samadi. He'll be gone because just that much is enough. It'll go. Maybe a mosquito bite could do it. So we will keep them in very protected states. Now we wanted people who are in this kind of minimal contact with the body but they're required to be intensely active which is a dangerous situation in many ways. Dangerous means very wonderful for that person if he leaves. Dangerous for me cuz I'll have a dead body on my hands. So I take good care of myself. [snorts] So I fixed various situations to fix them so that they don't play the ultimate trick on me that when we are beginning to do work and they realize this is the moment for ultimate freedom and they don't play the trick on me and leave their body in my hands. So I'm taking care to see that such things don't happen around me. So one of the things to push them into this state see there are any number of people here that I can get you into your samadi state very easily at all at least I would say here right now today if you make an attempt at least 85% of the people here I can get them into a samadi state for short periods of time short periods of time but to sustain it it needs sad them without working with the body without working with your energies mind and emotion keeping all of them in a certain state of receptivity and willingness willingness does not mean you just thinking consciously yes I'm willing no everything you should become willing see you say yes I'm very willing I want to be spiritual [music] when ant comes just see the way the body is resisting isn't You are talking willingness. Just when insect comes and sits here, woo, it'll go like this. If you're willing, everything should become willing. Every cell in your body should become willing. This needs [music] work. [snorts] Right now what you're doing all this is just to work towards that willingness making the physical body making the energies making the emotion making the mind slowly willing in such a way. Many of you might have noticed this before you started your yogic practices. Let us say taking the same example if some insect came and sat here there was a wild reaction in the body these days maybe you gently pick it up and leave it there you have you noticed some change like that within you h is it there will be happening whether you're noticing it or not it is happening one thing you must understand once you make the mistake of coming and sitting with me [laughter] whether you like it or you don't like it The process is on. If you create conscious willingness, you will go quick. If you do not create conscious willingness, you will struggle and go. But going or not going is no more in your hands once you make the mistake of sitting with somebody like me. Because once you sit with me, I'm very presumptuous. I assume you want to go all the way because on the very first day you come, I create sufficient abressiveness around me to see that all those finicky people leave. >> [laughter] >> The remaining people who survive those few days, I assume they want to go all the way. I want to close my eyes to some of the little little resistances you have and I assume you really want to go all the way and it just goes all the way. It is just that either you travel the bus joyfully or you go like you're going to your slaughter house. That's your choice. Both ways it's okay with me. [laughter] Now when these kind of things were done when we were preparing people for the consecration we don't have the time to allow them to do 10 years of sadena and come to that state we want them quick we want them there in a couple of months at that time I interfere with their life process all of them did not have diseases but there are various distortions of energy within They have not yet become disease. If the same distortion if you give more fuel to it, it will become a disease. In some people, there were manifestations of actual diseases. In others, they were healthy people, but they have various distorted situations within them. If if you give it sufficient time and nourishment, it will become a full-blown health problem. So when I just started taking these people into me in some ways every other day I have a new kind of disease. The doctors who examined me at that time they wouldn't believe it. Every other day I have bizarre diseases in my body. I'm checking out with the doctors not because I don't know what is not happening with me. I know what's happening with me on the energy level but I just want to see that I don't cause too much damage to my physiology. So periodically I'm checking myself with the normal diagnostics so that I am not causing too much damage to the physiology because then again it'll become a big work to set that [music] right. So that time these kind of things we did but once that's over uh anyway those 14 people did not come up the way we wanted because of various situations they grew wonderfully. Many things happened but putting life situations together and keeping these 14 people who had families who have children who have this and that getting all those people for the necessary period of time became impossible. Social pressures became so heavy. The social pressures upon us at that time were so very heavy that uh I had to abandon that and then choose for a more drastic and more risky process of just doing it with three people which for which we paid the price. [clears throat] So that kind of thing is done but in very rare situations and that also you can't let it into the air. You have to take it upon yourself and know how to work it out. If for example one person had ama severe severe ama everything else was wonderful with this person but this asta was just raking this person's body so badly almost this 14 15 years of life has been every night asta without medicine without cartisone every other week you know there's no control almost once or twice a month in the hospital that kind of very severe asthma. So I had to take this and people who were around me at that time they have seen what a terrible amatic attacks I had for almost uh 10 15 days such terrible asthmetic attacks that you know it's new to my body my body is not used to something like this an asmetic would be used to it this is too sudden all of a sudden I am an asmetic and I went through such a [music] bad phase of Asma for about 10 to 15 days and many other things happened within the system but they were settled. At one point it became too much on the system and you know other activity had to continue. If other activity was not there these things I can handle very easily. I have to teach two three sessions in a day and on initiation day initiation is always a challenge. And those days the initiations were so much more intense because for United States we have tuned it down a little bit cuz even for this people are [laughter] getting little hyper about it. So on an initiation day I just vomited blood over a liter and a half of blood I just vomited. Doctor saw me and said, "It looks like it's done. Your time has come." I didn't go through any treatment. In about months time, my livers were perfectly okay. At that time, if I pushed it a little more, yes, it could have caused death. So, the life process is going on. You can't just, you know, do like this and make it all right. Everything is between cause and effect. It shifts from one to another, this to that. It takes on various forms. But you can't obliterate the process of life. You can only transform it. So that's too much mamba jumba for a day.