Confronting Michael Reeves | Exposing His $0 Portfolio

Say subscribe. Subscribe. No, no. Like, hold on, let me say it. Hey guys, so before you subscribe, uh we want to give you a warning that there are some bad words in this episode that were said somewhat frequently and we've done our best to uh limit those words, but there's a few that have slipped. So anyway, just a warning if you're sensitive to that stuff, uh still subscribe and uh enjoy. Hello, welcome back to the Ice Coffee Hour. I'm Michael Reeves and to date this podcast, The Ice Coffee Hour, has made over $700. Yeah, technically true. That's correct. And a fantastic guess. Yeah. $186,270.81. Wow, that's really good. Yeah. So, [laughter] so it's no big deal, you know. That is over $700. Yeah, it is. Well, we're very excited to have you come all the way to Las Vegas to come visit with us, film a little segment for your video. And it's been has it been over a year? Not over really, but it's approaching. It's getting there. Approaching a year. So, a year ago, we met for the first time. We filmed a video together where I went through your finances. Yeah. You shared how much over a year. Over a year ago. Yeah. You shared how much money you made and what you were spending it on. You really didn't spend a lot of money. No. But you invested a lot in Simon Property Group. I did do that. Yeah. Yeah. But recently you you gave me a whammy here that uh you sold everything. I sold everything. Yeah. So Michael sold everything. When did you? Well, we'll get to that. We got a we got a hook viewer. Uh after, by the way, you subscribe because we we look through and apparently we've been not asking to subscribe enough. So uh our our conversions are down. So how about this? If you're watching right now and you haven't already subscribed, just do us that quick favor. Just hit the button. That's it. It's easy. Super easy to do. So, thank you so much. And uh Michael, for those who don't know you, um you make like you you post once a year, but your one video a year is like the the best video of the year. like they're all these just like incredible concepts that you'll spend like 10 months making with robotics uh just weird stuff uh and tasers or or sometimes urine you'll incorporate into the videos. Yeah, urine's part of my inspiration. Yeah. If if someone asks what you do, how do you describe that? I lie usually. Okay. I usually lie. Like if it's someone who doesn't know what I do, I'll lie and I say I'm in do I do computers and they'll just [ __ ] leave it at that [laughter] because it's like how I don't know how to explain what I actually do. Like Yeah. I like you YouTube make robot go fast. Yeah. But you come up with these ideas like uh yours was trying to get one of those $80,000 robots to pee beer. Yeah. Into a cup. Yeah. Into a cup. and to aim it and to like pee into the cup. But then what was surprising to me is that on top of all of that, you actually made a road trip to the headquarters to have the dog pee on the headquarters. Yeah. How do you come up with those ideas? And like where does that all start? Illness. Okay. The frontal lobe chemical imbalance. Yeah. Um yeah, that one was [ __ ] That one I was just like this video is not able to end in a funny way. [laughter] I wanted to just drive. Also, I was watching a lot of um you guys ever watch All Gas No Brakes? Formerly, now Channel 5. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. I just watched a Vice video where they did an interview with him and he was like talking about his like life on the road and how he's like all over the United States. And I was like, that sounds sick. That sounds flipping epic. And so I was like, I want to drive across the United States someday. And it just happened to line up really well. I was like I remember it was like really late in the night. It was like 4:00 a.m. or something. And I was like doing the that video and I was like, "Fuck, how do I end it?" And I like scribbled in my notebook. I just wrote Boston question mark. And I was like, "Fuck, I I I know I got to go to Boston to do that." Yeah. Also, they like wouldn't sell me the dog originally, so I was mad at them. And that's why I had to piss on there. What do you mean they wouldn't sell you the dog? Well, they they didn't offer it um like they wouldn't offer it to the public. It was only for like testing in industrial sectors and stuff at first. So, they just like literally wouldn't sell it to me, which sucked. I was going to make like a fake company and purchase it through that, but they ended up finally selling it to the public, but I was still Wouldn't they know who you are? I mean, don't you have a person that's what they're going for? And wouldn't that like be incredible marketing for them as well? I don't think that's what they're going for. I don't think that's what they're going for. I think they're going for it lives in an Amazon warehouse and never sees the sun. That's their customer demo. For sure. Yeah. I don't think they wanted it to be. They did. I think they made a reference to the pissing. They made it pissed tequila or something. They did some kind of quirky reference, which is nice. Yeah. I actually met a guy who It's always fun to see like when I make a video and it talks heavily about like a company, [snorts] how like that company reacts. I talked to randomly talked to like the nephew of someone who works at Da Vinci Robotics. I made a video about like surgery. Yeah. The surgery robot. They apparently liked that one. They liked that. I think Boston Dynamics liked it a lot less cuz I was more spiteful towards them surely. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the reason the parking lot was empty was cuz I didn't plan it at all, but I got there like on a holiday like Black Friday or something and the whole [ __ ] park Yeah. The whole parking lot was empty. Barren. Not a single soul there. Yeah. It was really And you and the gates were open. So, we just drove in and there was a security guard around. But we had a [ __ ] Boston Dynamics robot dog at Boston Dynamics. They would have cooked anyone else out, but we had the dog and they're like, "They obviously work here." Clearly, did that you think that person got in trouble, [laughter] the guy who just like let us looked at us. He was like staring at us from like a hill and we're like, but he saw the dog and so we went away. [laughter] It was really funny. Wow. Okay. But I have to say, you know, your your rise on YouTube coming from like a college dorm room. I remember the video you did where you did like what was it with an energy drink, right? You had the energy drink like try to spray at you or like when I was in college, I did a laser eye thing. Mhm. I did. They poked me in the eye with a laser, right? So, it was basically a laser pointer that would find your eye and then direct the laser to your eye. Yeah, that was sick. How do you learn all this stuff? Well, that one was like I'm like trying to learn like facial detection and then it was like I also know how to make motors go and so it' be like it was like interesting to make like it target what it's detecting and it was like it a really common thing that things detect is like your face or your eye. So I was like that'sing epic. That one was like a side project cuz that was like the first video I ever made. Yeah. So it was like a side project to like get away from working my job and going to college. So, that one was just for I mean, they're all for funsies, but that one was like a side project, just a meme. I also turned it in as an English report and I got a good grade, huh? You turned in that exact video. No, the robot as an English project. How is it? What's the relation? I don't even know. I stretched it so hard. I I remember bringing into class and everyone was like, "Oo, robot." And that was like probably the selling point. Yeah. But yeah, I was in English and it was like do a project about this. I It was something about like how I don't know something about finding a goal and tracking it. I was like I made this track your eye and the English professor was like yes all right sounds. It sounds like you made them separately but you fell behind on the other one and you're like how can I merge the two? Exactly. I tried to turn it in for every class. [laughter] See whoever takes it Yeah. Whoever will like take it as a Spanish class if [laughter] you like some shine a laser in in Spanish people's eyes too. [laughter] Yeah. Oh man. But how do you find an interest in that? Like where did this all start to cuz like I would see that and be like that's that's cool but I couldn't I couldn't figure out how to do it. Like I wouldn't have enough interest to like see I like um I [clears throat] started programming like as a way to not be homeless or any or die. So I was graduating high school bad grades. Wasn't good at much. So just like program, I'll just pick something. It was between like I remember like I was I was like I'll choose between uh programming, video editing, and psychology cuz I liked all three as interests. Um just went programming because it's easier to learn online. So yeah, been doing that ever since. How do you learn online? Do you go through websites? No, no, not program. I I like YouTube videos. I have a hard time like learning through books and learning in class cuz I I really like to rewind. I don't learn super fast. So like I need to watch it like three times over. So like, you know, just have my finger on the backspace button, write it down. Yeah. So did you actually learn pro programming to not be homeless or was that like Well, like to to like to have a job after high school. Yeah. To have a job after high school and be able to do something. Yeah. Cuz I I I really wasn't like I was failing most classes. I was not good at much things. Like I think the only class I got above B in was like a stat was in stats. What were you doing then at that age other than school? Uh video games being epic. Swagging. Got it. Got it. Um Minecraft. [laughter] Yeah, lots of Minecraft. Lots of Smash Brothers. Okay. Um yeah, just living life. Sometimes I just wouldn't go to class. It would be fun. It would be Dude, my high school was sweet. I I I would just sometimes um when my parents wouldn't have work, I I was able to drive to school. And so if I had the car, I would just go to um the convenience store and get a spam and I just drive right past the school and I'd like go up into the uh the mountain. It's a holly alakala on Maui. I'd go to the mountain and I just [ __ ] sit and like look at the whole island and just eat my Spanish [snorts] would be until like 10:00 a.m. and then I'd get to school and I justing show up and they'd be like, "Hey, hello." [laughter] And and like Yeah. So, what's the how do you not get in trouble for doing that? I think you we did eventually. My class in high school was the shittiest class for I think in the the 25 years the school has been in existence cuz there was never any late policy but my class was so late they made it so if you're late you get a detention and I ended the school year with over a 100 detentions. Isn't it better just to get the school out of the way early or is the detention the same time as like the school that you're skipping? Well, the thing is because I I didn't do serve 100 detentions. I could do like stuff for teachers and they would they would take it off in bulk. Like you know, they'd be like I don't know. I changed a guy's RAM in his computer and he was like, I'll take 10 off. That sounds like bribery. I mean, what's the difference 100 and like get rid of the detention? in the band. I was in band and so I had a they had the library where they store all the music. I had like a sleeping bag behind some boxes and I would just go back there and sleep for the school day. It was lit. It was so cool. No one give a [ __ ] my senior year. Seniors could get away with a lot more because they're kind of over you and they kind of know that you're going to be gone pretty soon and like you know especially last 6 months they really just let anything slide. They're like ah they're not going to change now. Yeah, I bet you didn't know this, but for me in my senior year, I made a fake doctor's letter head. So, I printed it off of Google and I found like a I had a condition of sleep apnea that prevented me from getting a full night of sleep and that that was the reason why I'd have to get to school at 10:00 a.m. Nice. And so, I would I turn I actually turned this in and they they never questioned it. They never called and they took it at face value. And so for most of my senior year, I would get to school at 10:00 or it was like 10:30 because they had a 10 like a 30-minute like break or whatever. So 10:30. But then I also wanted to miss one day of school a week. So on top of that, I'd only go into school four days a week. And I did that my entire senior year, but I would go and work the other day. Think anything of it? Um I don't think they knew. [clears throat and cough] I don't think they really knew. Uh my I because I would go in late, but I think I lied to my mom. I just said that like my school starts at 10:00. My dad was like, "Yep, [laughter] check out that sounds." My dad knew, but he didn't do anything about it. I think it's more just like, you know, you're going to do what you want to do. You should shouldn't do that, but he was he was pretty good about But I wasn't like a bad I was a bad student, but I did I didn't get in trouble. You didn't defy authority. I didn't get in trouble. So like when I was skipping school, I'd go and like open up work, you know, open up the warehouse and like usually when I I would um be ignoring school, it would be to like be learning programming. Um yeah, and my parents were like mad at me for doing that and we had like a counselor's meeting and they'd be like, "You got to stop doing this. This is you got to learn English." And I was like, "No, this is better." Yeah. So I I would ignore other stuff to learn what I was doing. But you learned it on YouTube. Like YouTube. Yeah, YouTube. YouTube's like the best. Dude, you can go on there and there's like a hundred part series of just this random guy in India doing a full course on Java or C# or Python and it's all good quality stuff like you [snorts] the same stuff you learn in college. Same stuff you learn. Yeah. But how do you expect to graduate high school? Let's just say and say like I've learned everything on YouTube. Is is do they not check that like you went through like a program or anything or is it just like I learned on YouTube like if you were doing an engineering job? Yeah. Um, well, like they they do care a lot less now because they know that you can just learn it from a computer. I mean, it's like computer stuff. It kind of makes sense you can learn it on a computer. Like you wouldn't want your doctor to be a YouTube taught doctor, but right, you want to go to medical school, but like there's a senior surgery robot [laughter] video. There's like a lot of people at like SpaceX and Tesla especially like those are some of the like more progressive companies like the Fang companies don't give a if you've been to college for programming. They just want to know what you can do and like see your portfolio. That's part of why they have like such rigorous um interview processes. Like you have to know how to do a bunch of [ __ ] on a whiteboard and that's annoying. But like it doesn't matter how you know how to do it, you just know how to do it. That's interesting. So, did you actually end up getting a job in in that after high school? Yeah. Yeah. I worked for the the government of Hawaii for a bit. Little bits at the college um on my island. Got it. Yeah. Now, when you were working for the government, I would imagine there's got to be some like mischievous stuff you were doing on the side or were you just like, dude, it was going in like were you not changing stuff on the back end? Like not a lot. I didn't have a lot of access. We we had our own server. Okay. So, we didn't have access to any other place. Um, unfortunately, I feel like you would send out like mass emails of just like, you know, these memes or like something you would do something in there. Okay. But you kept it pretty pretty, you know, I kept it pretty professional. Okay. You did kept it good. Yeah. And like I was I was such like a serious nerd in that job, too. I was like trying to do it really well. Um, yeah. I remember like getting mad at the other people there who were like uh who were going to college for it but working on the project as well. So it was yeah that was an interesting time and then I started working remote as I started going to college. Um and I started hating it so I started learning other stuff on the side and that's why I made that laser eye robot. And did that video initially just take off or did it take a few videos? I don't know. I think it was just Reddit like the first one. Mhm. So that was nice. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. I remember going to work and being like, "Oh my god, it has a hundred views. This is [ __ ] crazy." Yeah, I was flipping out because I posted on Reddit as well. Yeah. On r/root, which is a great subreddit. Yeah. But you Why did you quit your job? I know you hated it, but wasn't it like good money? I didn't quit it for a while. Yeah. Um I still do random stuff. I tried to do random stuff on the side. Um, it wasn't that good of money cuz it's like the government of Hawaii and Maui especially is like does not invest in their IT infrastructure a lot. So yeah, they were asking a lot and also they scammed the [ __ ] out of me. My boss definitely like underpaid me because I didn't have the degree, but I was doing more than the people who did have the degree. That's crazy. How did you find out about that? Um, someone told me. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, that's not right. Also, at some point I worked like that was my first 100 hour work week was on that project and she and they did not pay like they couldn't pay over a certain amount of overtime. So, it would just bleed into the next month or next week and not count as overtime. It's like can you say how much you were making at that job? I actually don't remember. Oh. Oh, wait. Yeah, it was $15 an hour. $12 an hour. Wow. Um, and with with time and a half for overtime, which was good out of high school cuz I I didn't have any scholarships. So, I worked I had to work like I had to max out overtime to pay for college that summer and going into college, too, cuz I didn't have scholarships cuz my grades were bad. Yeah. Yeah. So, Yeah. And then you went to college and then you dropped out of college. Yeah. And when you dropped out, were you continuing to do this work remotely? Yeah, I was still doing remote and then doing YouTube and then all of this, you know, after some time YouTube income started taking over that job. Jeez, Jack, we could just ask you. [laughter] I'm just I'm just curious cuz I think I know that. I think I know that story. I know it, Jack. [laughter] You know the high school to YouTube pipeline. You know that. Yeah. Why do you Why did you uh drop out of college? I [ __ ] college sucks. Yeah. Um [laughter] that college spec Well, also I went to college to follow my girlfriend at the time, which was a bad idea. Um, I went to Northern Arizona University, which is a [ __ ] that college. Um, well, it's it's definitely one of those I think all colleges are pretty money sync, but that one's a real money sync. It's like the reason I got in was cuz they have a 93% acceptance rate. They just want your money. They don't give a like they don't care about anything else. Um the computer science program was okay if you could get higher up in it, but they wouldn't even let me like um test out of the intro class. And I didn't mean to be like an [ __ ] like you should let me skip a class. I was like, can you let me take the finals and all the tests? Uh because I was already working as a programmer. Yeah. So I was like, why am I working as a programmer to pay to go to school to learn how to work as a programmer? That's stupid. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, that sucked. And, uh, after that year, my girlfriend moved to Wahoo. And so, I moved with her. Uh, and I was going to continue school there. And I remember like looking at the registration and [ __ ] like I'm not going to do that. So, I just lived in Aahu for a year, which was bad. That was a bad time. And then what happened to that relationship? Dead. Dead and gone. Dead, dying, and deceased. What happened? It just fizzled out. It was just a relationship that should have ended like two years prior. Okay. Yeah, we were we did in high school and so Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She is not a bad person, but you know. Yeah. It wasn't anything like horrendous. It was just like you didn't. Yeah. You should just know when you should move on to different [ __ ] Yeah. She's not a [snorts] bad person. Got it. But when you posted this YouTube video, was that a sign for you just like you got to post more YouTube videos? No, I really No. Yeah. No, I was just continuing with my life. But that was a cool thing. Yeah. Yeah. It was just a cool thing. So, what happened after that? So, so now you're in Aahu. Yeah. Broke. You broke up. You were not going to college. No, we're still together in Aahu. Oh, you were? Yeah. But you broke up there. No, no, still together. Oh, you're still together. Broke [laughter] up later on. I want to know where together they broke up and when [laughter] Where was his location? [laughter] I'm just trying to get the timelines. No. Yeah, I was in Aahu for a year together for the whole thing, but it just didn't work out, right? Just imagine, did she meet in New York? New York, too. Yeah. Just ask Jack. He knows the timeline. [laughter] Jack, when did they break up? Things just weren't working out. They should have broke up two years prior. You know, they were high school lovers. Difference of humans, difference. Yeah, I have. But first, I want to thank our sponsor, Hule. Alex, I am starving, but I have no idea what to eat. I wish there was just an easy tomake meal supplement with all of the proteins, carbs, fats, fibers, and 27 other essential vitamins and minerals I need on a day-to-day basis. There is Jack. It's called Hule, and it's exactly what it sounds like, human fuel. Fuel for humans. Without proper nutrition, I have less energy, my overall mood is worse, and also I get significantly less work done. That's why I think of Hule as an investment. 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Okay. You're a Were you a sax man? Yes. Me too. Me too. Me too. Hey, there is there is a connotation to [ __ ] Yeah. My next guest uh my next guest was going to be Don't hate me, but my next guest was going to be trumpet. That's No, that's not that's not that bad. That's not offensive. Yeah, dude. Yeah. The saxophones were it was that was such a um being in band. They uh the saxopones were like We were wild. Wild. Yeah. Were you saxophone, too? Yeah. Me, too. Yeah. Oh, what did you play? Uh, I played the alto and then I switched to tenor. Oh, I did both as well. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Um, the our band director was a saxoponist, so the saxophones could just do anything. It was awesome. My section leader one time just stood up and said, "Hey, mister, [ __ ] you." And sat back down in the middle of band. And the band master was like, "Haha, that's funny." [laughter] He went back to doing his so they were like friends. It wasn't in like a mean way, but it was like it was all over the place. Oh my gosh. Guess what I played? Wait, you played some band? Yeah, I did. Were you percussion? I'm not gonna just just give a guess. I played an instrument in band. Trumpet. Perk. Percussion. Perks. Pushing key. I would say the same. [snorts] The tuba. Tuba. [laughter] Yeah. Really? Why do you gravitate to the tuba? I like the I pick the biggest, loudest instrument. [laughter] That's a reasonable thing. I think that's a lot of tuba players instinct. Yeah. It's as big as I loved it because it was huge. Heavy. Like they sits on the side of the chair and the thing would like go up here. It's massive. But I didn't realize how much wind it takes. Like you do get like really Yeah. A lot of gross spit too. You have to dump out of that [ __ ] Yeah. Dude, bathrooms are not sanitary places. Like kids just dump it on the ground. Yeah. They'll just What would they call the little pipe at the Is that the water? Spit valve. Spit valve. Yeah. You just like the brass players would open it up and it goes gross. Yeah. Saxopones never did it. You just dumped it out. Yeah. It was really yucky. Never would sit on a man room floor ever. That's disgusting. Yeah. In middle school, ours was carpeted, too, which made it way for sound. I mean, it has to be carpeted. [ __ ] yucky. Yeah. High school, it was lenolium, so luckily. Got it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Jack carry on. Yeah. So the story it continues, [laughter] right? So you ended up, you know, you and your girlfriend, you separated. You were still living on the island. Nope. See, I told you guys trying to figure out the whole time on Aahu. We were together. Okay. So you moved out of Aahu, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] I moved to California and then broke up. Okay. Where in California? I moved in with William Osman. Oh, wow. Who's like a YouTuber who does tech stuff as well. Um that was in Oxnard. That was in Oxnard. Yeah. Cuz hising house burned down. Wow. Which I made so much fun of him for. That was awesome. A funny thing. It was funny as Yeah. He showed me his burned down house. I had some good jabs in there that I did not get on video, unfortunately. Yeah. That's Were you doing YouTube at that time? Yeah. You were? Yeah. Could have. Yeah. So, that's why I um that's how he knew me. Uh I came over for like two weeks to work on a project for this other guy like unrelated to YouTube, just programming pure. Um, but during that time I was able to like go up to see Will and we like did a video and it was fun and his house burned down so we we then got a place together. Got a place. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was fun. At what point did you realize that YouTube was actually like a going to be financially supportive of you? It never really feels that way or ever felt that way. It was just like it it makes sense. I don't really remember a time Yeah. I don't really remember a time. It just happened and I just would quit. I quit one job at some point and just did not find another one. What was the job you quit? That was working remote for uh Oh, uh the university. Got it. How much were you making there? Still the more than 15, like maybe 20. Okay. An hour. Um, which is like not a bad amount of money, but for I think the programming work the people it was maddening cuz the people in the same roles were getting paid a lot more. Yeah. So, yeah, I would assume you you would have been making a lot more. Do you really feel like it was not having that degree that held you back? Well, I think that's what they would say as an excuse to not pay you more. Um yeah, cuz I I I was like I was like um like spearheading implementations and stuff and like asking the other people like like the other it was like two separate teams. I was like talking to the other team. I was putting together like uh like workflow diagrams of like how the database fit together. I was doing like a lot of the [ __ ] like and so it I was like mainly the one working on it. So it felt like that they were just using that as an excuse to not pay you. Did you negotiate? Maybe you just got to push harder and negotiate these jobs. I did ask for a raise. Yeah. And they were like, that's how I learned you need a degree. And I was like, man, shut the [ __ ] up. Really? But why not go in there with a higher number to begin with? Um I was 19 years old. Maybe that's part of it. Um Yeah. Yeah. Definitely now know how would know how to ask for a raise. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I almost ended up working for or doing work for Rathon. Oh, yeah. The missile company. Cool. But I did not want to go to Tucson and they're like that was the first I was offering. So, believe it or not, I met up with a subscriber uh who took me and Macy out for sushi. He works there and he's getting paid pretty well. I mean, I think it was he was right out of college making like almost six figures working there and he's like if I stay there like they they pay really well. They have locations in in multiple parts. Yeah. Seems like a good gig. And it seems like that is a stepping stone, too, is like Yeah. Really good. It's a good gig. Yeah. Yeah. But Tucson, I wanted to go back to Maui and just Right. I know. Yeah. From Maui to there. So, so now you're doing YouTube. Yeah. How much were you making in the beginning on YouTube? I I don't know. I enough to look $20 an hour. Yeah. Enough to live. Enough to live. I that's really the only time I look at the money is like I have enough to live. I'm very non like financial oriented. I I mean I pick my own stocks and all that. Yeah. But I I don't usually look at like my monthly or like yearly stuff like that. Yeah. I I don't really remember. I remember being really excited when I had over like $5,000 in my bank account. I was like, "This has never happened before. This is the coolest thing." Was that from YouTube or was that from the It was from both. It was from just everything working together. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. I was real frugal on on Aahu. I ate only ham sandwiches with only ham and white bread. Yeah. To the point where I got like a stomach problem. Oh wow. I started like it was called gird grass gastric esophagal reflux disease. Every time I would eat grease I would get heartburn for like 3 hours. My brother I think has sucks. Yeah. It's not good. Yeah. So then I Yeah. So I had to take some medication for that. What causes that? Is that something that's like a like a genetic thing or is it just diet? I think maybe so you could cause that to yourself. It was a lot of grease already, right? I thought it was like a lot of If you eat a lot of grease, it I don't know. Like maybe it was I just remember eating like and then every time I would have grease it would like get really bad. Yeah, like that. Yeah. But it got fixed. Yeah. Got it. And now you're in kind of an interesting situation because you you started Twitch streaming a little bit. You haven't streamed on Twitch in in a while, right? What is that like a half a year or something? Wait a second. I thought uh after we met, weren't you the the number one most subscribed to person in like a month on Twitch? There's something where it was like some you we broke a record in terms of like subscribers in one month or like I don't know. Maybe you were talking to Pokemon. You might have been talking to Poke or some it was you. Yeah, I think it was the first month that you joined or something. Yeah, you gain the most subscribers of anybody or what is it? Followers on subscribers. Subscribers on Twitch in a month. Like the first month is Yeah. That Yeah. Right. So, if I were doing it for money, I would just do that. But sometimes streaming is a weird thing. Like I prefer YouTube to it just because like you never get a moment when you're like, I I did I did it. You know, you know how YouTube you like make a thing and you edit it and you like throw it out and you're like, "Good." On Twitch, it's just like a constant lull. Unless you're doing like huge projects. Um, so it's just like a constant lull. The only time I really love Twitch, um, and I do still like want to do it, but it just hasn't like felt like I like a good time to is when I'm really like obsessed with something. So like when I think they did like a modded Minecraft server and I was streaming like 12 hours a day. I was going at it so much. It was really fun cuz I was just like super into Minecraft at the time. [snorts] There's a mod where you can code in Minecraft. [ __ ] awesome. Um, I made like an automated melon farm cuz the server had less food as like a fun thing. Okay. So, I made like a vending machine out of melons. Wow. That was really cool. Yeah. Graham has never touched Minecraft. No. That's See, how much do you make from that? That's what I want. I want [laughter] to know the numbers, man. From Twitch. Yeah. Like, if you're streaming 12 hours a day, how many people were watching it? It's going to be like 10 20,000. Surely more. I think more than if you like put the amount I did YouTube and the amount I did Twitch, probably Twitch would make more, I think. Yeah, probably Twitch would make more. But also, but then if I'm like bummed out cuz I'm like not having if I'm not into it, then it's like why? No one wants to watch that, right? But like, let's say on an average day on Twitch, if you stream all day, Yeah. How much would you make from something like that? I don't know. It's been a while since I've streamed on Twitch. Like I'm not Have you seen that leak? Um, yeah, I did. Yeah. Um, but I guess that's the top of the top people. Um, I don't I don't remember ever checking like at the end of the day. So, a few grand. A few grand, I'm guessing. Probably. Okay. Something like that. Yeah. See, it's it's so odd to me because I'd be checking that like every minute. Dude, that's like brain poison. No, it's not. Numbers are like mental acid. Why do you not care about finances? Cuz then I don't know. Cuz then I'm Okay, it makes sense for you guys. you have a financial YouTube channel. It makes sense for a lot of people. It makes sense for a lot of people, but like I think if I were just focused on that, then I would end up making content that I weren't super hyped about. Yeah. Um Yeah. And I want it to be not just a job for as long as it can be. Yeah. So I Yeah. I want to enjoy every bit of it. That's maybe that's like make less money but higher in enjoyment of so I'm just curious because it seems like uh you'll basically do enough or you'll post a video or something get like a year's worth of expenses covered do what you want for a year and then when it comes time to be like you know I need the next year then be like what am I what am I excited about let me let me do this or it just kind of comes up naturally usually in a year you'll find something where you get excited about it that'll kind of push for the next year. I'm trying to like learn stuff randomly and like get randomly excited about new technology and [ __ ] Okay. Yeah. But it's not like I'm running out of money. I should make a YouTube [laughter] video. It's like um if I'm like this is a cool idea, I should make a YouTube video kind of. But let's say that doesn't happen. Let's say it's 5 years goes down the line. Oh, and I just don't then I'm going to have to find a job doing something else. [laughter] I probably will find a job doing something else if I if I just lost interest in it. Okay. But I haven't yet, which is why I'm trying to keep interest in it, right? Yeah. So, it's interesting that you haven't lost interest in YouTube, but you post so infrequently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Huh. I don't know. I have a I have a random question. Yeah. Um I remember watching your channel a long time ago. Um we can't say it, but you you sold these little things. Oh, ding. Yeah. Ding-dings. And for we won't say what they are, but do you remember how much you made from that? Because I'm I was so curious. I have no idea. Now you got to explain what this is. Okay. So, um the PG way to explain ding-dings. Uh the male anatomy like a little uh it's like a little toy, but he's squishy or something. It's really cute. And so I didn't see that. Yeah. Michael listed these for sale. I And I And I think they sold out. They sold pretty well. Yeah. I think I remember it was a long time ago. I remember selling like I don't know 20,000 or something of them which was a reasonable amount. And at how much a piece? I they sold for like how much a $15 a PE. [laughter] $15 each. But also the merch company scam me on those. Um the one I was working with at the time. So, I I don't know. A a solid amount surely for those guys. [laughter] That was a good one. I want to sell something for my next video. Um maybe later on. I'm interested in that. I am I'm shocked because to me it seems like such a I don't want to say easy, but a a simple path for you. Yeah. Post once a month for a year. Yeah. You'll get enough money if you just invest it. You will be set after one year. What the am I going to do after a year? Whatever you want, right? What is that going to be? Whatever you want. Post YouTube videos. Oh, wait. I don't like it anymore. I'm sad. But I'm just saying, but it gives you the option to do whatever you want. If if you sacrifice one year now, you will have the rest of your life to do whatever you want. If it's posting more YouTube videos, great. If it's uh spending time on the beach building robots, great. If it's driving across the country, great. But you will never have to worry about money again. And and I think in your situation, one year is all it's going to take. Well, maybe I don't know, maybe [snorts] Do you think that when you I don't know. I don't know if if I got to that point I would be interested in like I think money is an interesting driving factor. Like it's cool to try and make a business or something. Like something I do want to do eventually is like start my own business. Um and I don't know if I'd have cuz that is like obviously money oriented. Like I would get more money oriented about a business. Um, so I don't know if I would have that drive later on to to do it if I were just set Yeah. for for life. But here's But here's the thing, though. I think a year's worth of savings for you Yeah. wouldn't be enough to be like just balling it up. I'm not talking like this is not like Rolls-Royce money. This would be enough where it would pay your living expenses, food, and just allow a little bit of saving. Yeah. For one year. Yeah. So, it wouldn't So, I don't think that would that would lower your motivation one bit. I think you could be just as motivated. But I mean even right now like for a while like like I could just live. I just want to know that I'm not homeless, you know? That's that's yeah where I'm at. So Got it. Yeah. I think that you just it's comforting for me because you're so not money motivated at all. And you know for a fact that you'll be happy, right, with with very little. Yeah. You'll survive for sure. you'll survive and be be fine because your average day just like you told me in the car just consists of like video games, hanging out with friends, going for hikes sometimes, learning stuff some learning I do a lot of like learning stuff um and like quite a bit is like still working on the video and stuff but yeah there's like a lot of like there's you know fun bits. Yeah, it's just interesting comparing that with Graham right which I mean you do what makes you happy all the time. I enjoy making money. Yeah, I look every hour I'm like how can I optimize this? Yeah, that's a fun game. It's fun as to be like it's like in a video game where you're like trying to max it out. Like I It's fun. I just don't want to make something else. I want to make it a separate thing, you know? I don't want it to overtake my like enjoyment for doing stuff. Um so yeah. So how do you find out what you enjoy? You just wake up one day and you're like I feel like doing this. I don't know. working on different things, learning the brows, learning. Yeah, YouTube videos. Yeah. Um, new technology. I try to like learn stuff even if I don't know where it's going to go to. Um, just cuz like sometimes like you got to like a buy a tool before you use it. Mhm. Um, so like obviously I didn't think of learning facial recognition with the thought of uh making like the lasers but just because you know it. It's like oh you can do this and this and put these things together because you know them. It's not like not the other way around. So I'm trying to get as many like things that I do know. Got it. So you can put them together. What's something that you're learning at the moment or just something that you've learned recently? I'm doing a lot of statistical analysis from this recent video which is really fun. It's like data visualization stuff. Supering cool. Uh sentiment analysis. I'm working with like large data sets. So, here's the thing. If you create a program like that, you could sell the program. All right. And that'd be fun. And I'd be super into the money if I were doing it that specifically. Yeah. Yeah. Um let's get to the topic of you selling everything. Why'd you do that? Oh, I sold all my stocks. Yeah. Because you told me uh it must have been a year ago that you had sold No, you had bought Simon Property Group. You were like all in Simon Property Group and you did well because I think since then Simon Property Group is up about 250%. 300%. And uh the dividends on that you bought in when it was paying probably like a 9% dividend. Yeah, that was on a tip from a friend. Yeah. Um and I remember saying I bought some Simon Property Group just not as much as you did. Yeah. Doing great. The only the reason I sold was cuz I was really afraid of the Chinese uh housing market, the their their largest housing firm went bankrupt. Right. Yeah. Ever Grand. Yeah. And that's scary because um in China that's like their way to invest if like you have extra money. Like that's the only way you can invest in China cuz you can't go into the stock market cuz it's owned by like the state. I mean even your house is owned by the you know you can't buy a house. It's like you lease it from the state for 99 years. buy the rights for 99 years. Technically, they're the ones that own it. You just have the right idea. Weird, right? Yeah. So, if you invest in China, you're always investing in real estate. And their main real estate company like went under. So, that just scared me. Um I think their market cap was like greater than Lehman Brothers or something. And so, just hearing that, I wanted to just like unexpose for like a month or two, then go back. When did you sell? I don't know. Like a something like a month or two ago. Less a month ago. a month ago. Uh, so it's probably up since you've sold, I'm guessing. Yeah, a bit. Yeah. Yeah. The thing with that with Everrand is that there's not that much exposure to the US. I think I think it was something like 5% of the like it's very little. I was afraid of like some horrible chain reaction. No, that's what I was afraid of. Yeah. So, um, I was out and then cuz then you also have to pay capital gains tax on that. Yeah. Well, I was going to get back in and then Russia went to war with Ukraine. [laughter] And I was like, that's weird and scary and I don't know what that does to the stock market because I've never lived that before. Should watch my videos. Yeah. I've gone over the studies on that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh so I didn't know. So I was just I'm I would rather remove myself from the risk of a highly volatile thing for a few months other than making a few%. Yeah. How much profit did you have? Cuz you must I'm guessing you probably had SPG. Yeah. Like a few hundred,000. That's a lot of money. But I I don't know. I think a lot. Okay. It's a lot. A lot. Surely because it was like a lucky It was from a friend. Um yeah, that was a good one. Also, I think AMD was up a lot from when I bought it too. Something like 30 40%. Yeah. The issue I see on that, there's nothing selling out of, you know, Simon Property Group to buy something else, but the issue is that you're going to be hit with this capital gains tax with California. Yeah. 35% has gone to that. I was aware. Yeah. Yeah. Versus I I would have kept it because the dividend that you're getting on that you're you're getting like 5% 6% on on your money higher on the amount that you've invested probably five four and a half 5% on the money that the the value of that. That's you know. Yeah. Yeah. That's really strong. I just feared end of days. Okay. Yeah. Kevin Olirri says what, Graham? You shouldn't sell a [clears throat] not sell a stock because of taxes. Yes, that's from Kevin. Taxes dictate whether or not you sell. That's true. That is Listen, this it is true. But I think when you when you live in California, uh you have to pay an extra 10% on that. It just there are ways that you could borrow against that if you needed more money or you needed a hedge. It's not like I was bankrupt. It's just I was just worried about the market. So, probably get back in probably do some quirky [ __ ] Maybe do some Nvidia. Their 40 series will come out soon. I think that's going to do excellently. Got it. Yeah. I'm kind of curious on what your living expenses are like because last time we talked, like we mentioned, it was about a year ago. And you don't have expensive taste. You don't spend a lot of money. I think you did spend a lot of money on Uber Eats, though. I I did, but I've been cooking more recently. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. So, it hasn't been so bad. Yeah. So what what I mean walk us through like your your average monthly expenses. What's what's cost? Most all I don't know um insurance, health insurance. Um which I do have. I found out when I went to the ER that I do have health insurance, which is nice. Oh yeah, you got you got food poisoning. Food poisoning or something. The reason I didn't go to the ER because I got food poisoning. I went because there was blood in the vomit. So that's what I was like, I should go to the emergency room cuz I I like like I was extreme. You'd go to food poisoning. I threw everything up and then I got to the bile and there were like chunks of brown and I looked it up and it was like that is congealed blood and I was like I don't think that's blood. And I called my dad who was a nurse and he's like that is blood. Go to the emergency room. Send him a picture of it. Yeah. Okay. He's like go to the emergency room. And so I went and it was all right. They ced it and I What was the What was the deal? They didn't. They got the doctor barely talked to me. They were busy as [ __ ] So I I don't know. They said you're fine and I left and you were fine. What was the bill for that? Like 200 bucks. That's it. Cuz I had health insurance which is crazy. How do you not know you have health insurance? I didn't I know you you have to have something but Well, I didn't for a long time and I got it I don't know maybe like a year ago and forgot it I guess. Wow. With Kaiser. Yeah. Do you know how much you pay on that? No, I don't remember. Um, I do know that I waited 4 hours in the ER though in the ER lounge, like in the ER lobby waiting to go into the ER. Recognize like Michael Reeves, man. Just puking my guts out. Yeah, it was bad. The guys like got a stab like, "Yo, it's Michael. Yo, let me get a selfie really quick." [laughter] There was this guy who got maced and he was like pissed that that wait was like 4 hours. Oh my gosh. He's like, "I goting maced. Let me in." And then he's like, I got to wait for long. How do you First of all, how do you get maed? That's what I was wondering. I was like, what did you do that made you get med? Does that go away? I I thought that last hour. No, dude. That lasts forever. That lasts like like a few hours. I think getting mace is extremely painful, but I think unless you're in life-threatening, they will not bring you in like in in the fastass. Got fine by the time that they allow. He was He actually didn't end up going in cuz he was all right by the end. Yeah. I feel like they would question like, "Yo, how did you get Did you do this to yourself or you doing something? I robbed the lady." Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She wouldn't give me her purse me. This is her fault. And you know what the crazy thing in in a in a US legal system? Let's say he's trying to steal a purse and gets maed and has to go to the hospital. Imagine that guy suing for damages. [laughter] I I bet he could. I bet there's some lawyer out there. She'd have to pay for a lawyer who would take that case. We can win it. Yeah. And we'll just say, "Listen, lady, it's cheaper. you just pay him 20 grand and settle because otherwise they could drag this out for years and you're better off just that's that's how it works in the US. I think it's just like the reason how much damage they caused though because you know if if I think the the whole thing is like if he's trying to steal like a a$1,000 phone, right? is macing him, let's say, and then for some reason your mace was like bad and he went blind is is a reasonable like action to getting your phone stolen to blind someone. I think that's kind of what they look at. Yeah. No, they could they could sue for whatever. And most insurance companies, I didn't realize this, they choose to automatically settle. It's cheaper for them as an insurance company to say, "Hey, we're going to pay 10 20 grand rather than investigate and spend our resources on this." That's the lady like pulls out a sheet. She's like doing the math for how much is in her purse throughout businesses um uh auto incidents. The insurance is just like settle settle settle they because it's a costbenefit thing. Um even even a buddy who owns like a physical storefront, he get he's he's been sued now like four or five times and Yeah. 2 years. But because of frivolous lawsuits, like a lady will walk out front, slip and find an injury attorney who will represent and it's just like settle for 10K or we're going to take this to court and it's way more expensive for you. Oh my god. So even if you win, even if you're in the right, it's on camera. You're going to win. Really want to spend uh 15 grand fighting this even though you win or horrendous. You pay 10K right now and you walk away. And even if they do win, the lady who slipped and fell, what does she have? Let's say you win the judgment, she's got $500 to her name. Where are you going to collect that from or not? You won the lawsuit, but you lost. So, it's pretty it's pretty bad. That's fun. But that Yeah, but that but that reminds me of the the whole health insurance thing that I have. Basically, this is like the crappiest policy. It's basically meant for like a catastrophic plan where I'm paying out of pocket the first $8,000. I got a bad one, too. Yeah. Well, no, not if you're going to the ER for must cover it special. I don't remember getting like a good one. It's I don't know. It was my last time at the the doctor and this is why like I hate to say like I've stopped going but it was like three or four years ago. I went to get uh what was it? I think I just had low energy or something like that and but it was like a persistent low energy and I went in thinking like maybe my levels are off or something like that. So I did a full range of blood tests. Yeah. Check your pH with the test strips. Yeah. Yeah. Take the pH, take the salinity and like all that sort of the temperature. [laughter] They did the full range of blood tests and [snorts] uh came back and thankfully everything was fine and they you know maybe it was a stress or something. But anyway, I remember getting this bill in the mail for like $7,000 for like blood tests. And I'm like this should have been covered under preventative and they say nope. The way it's coded is that this was like something extra and it's not covered. And I remember spending weeks on the phone back and forth with both theos, not the hospital, the doctor's office and the insurance company trying to get this thing resolved. It took a long time and eventually got resolved and eventually had to pay the $50. But I was like, that's a long time. But it wasn't worth it. Like if you add in my time. And then the other one is I convinced myself I had melanoma cuz I looked at a mole and I was like, that's melanoma. that does. And um I I called for my uh for for the for the doctor to like get in because it should be covered under preventative. And they said, "Well, in order to do that, you need to go and set up an appointment with a normal doctor to then be referred out to a skin doctor and this could take uh you know, we we'll book you in like a few weeks and then it'll be another few." I'm like, "That's two months if if I have melanoma. I want eyebrow." Yeah. Right. Uh so that whole process, guess how much it cost me out of pocket just to just to make an appointment, pay out of pocket for this thing? like $450. $250 and I made an appointment for the next day. That's horrible. $250 versus this other one where I have to make an appointment, go to this thing, wait a few weeks, get referred. It's not worth it's so bad. It's it's like I'd rather just pay for it at that point. Yeah. Why do you have healthcare in the first place? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, yes. Um it's it's bad. Like part of me would rather just like save the money and pay out of pocket, but you know, I'm paying I think it's $300 a month for basically if something happens, I'm covered above $8,000. So I look at it like some like horrible [ __ ] Yeah. So I'd rather just be covered. Yeah, that's cool. That's good. Like if you hit me in the boxing ring and you've died, let's not [laughter] let's maybe not. Hey, let's Yeah, let's clip that out. Um No, no, no. Yeah, we're boxing. Yeah. No, I think we include it in the the thing. It'll be interesting. No, I mean I mean clip it so that after you die, we have a clip. No. Gosh, I don't even proof of Listen, I am I'm so I'm [laughter] so superstitious about this that I on the epoxy. Yeah. I always worry that I'll be there, man. You will something into existence by joking about it and then it happens. Like you joke about that and then it happens. You know, he's a very superstitious person that he's incredibly superstitious. We post at like, for example, he always wants to sit on the couch in a certain spot because videos will do better if we like post there. Dude, I get that about you. Knock on wood, stuff like that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Knocking on wood. Yeah. Posting at a certain time. That one It's It's always stuff like this where they look back at podcast, you're like, "That was the moment he said it. He said it. He willed it into it." Yes. Exactly. And I believe in that stuff. So now it's like, have we just I don't know. Anyway, so we should talk about the beef, right? Cuz you guys have some serious beef that you're going to be settling with your fists in your faces, right? Yeah, we're pissed. So what's going on with that? Why why each other? They're boxing for those that don't know. Michael and and Graham. Yeah. Why did you Why did you agree to it? So why did you agree to it? [laughter] [clears throat] Yeah. So Ian Idubbbz uh asked if I would want to do a charity boxing match and my first question was how much do I make from it and no it doesn't work like that. No no charity. It's charity. And I'm like oh man. So like I may as well. And he's like well but if you get a sponsor you could keep the sponsor. I'm like okay fine. But I I said yes because I felt like it was something that 10 years from now I would look back and regret not having done it. I think I did it for a similar reason. Really? Yeah. I did it in my initial reaction. I was at like a shoot thing uh with William Osman Idos was there and he was like I don't want to do this boxing match and my initial thing was like no [ __ ] no I don't want to do a boxing match I don't want to get hit and then I was like and I like shot back to like me in middle school watching Ian Idubbbz on YouTube. I was like [ __ ] what the [ __ ] would he think and then immediately I just blurted out yes of course and that was it. That was that sealed the [ __ ] deal. Yeah. Like, okay, I Ian asked you to do a boxing match. Like, that's the weirdest cool thing ever. I It took me like a week to say yes to it. Yeah. On the fence. Yeah. Yeah. And I And logically, my answer should have been no because I looked at the time commitment and I added up in my mind. I'm like, if I spend an hour, you know, doing this three times a week, if I could spend an hour doing something else over this, you know, I it didn't make any sense to me. And I almost said no. But then I thought, well, it's it's a unique experience. It'll be a good push to get like in shape. Similar saying. Yeah. An excuse to go to like the gym more or again at all. Yeah. And I never had a trainer before. Like I would go with friends who like you know would would go to the gym but that's about it. But it's it's Yeah. It's way different than I thought. And I went into it thinking like I I'll have an edge because I lift weights and go to the gym. And then I remember the first time I did this like my my hands were all like all messed up and like Yeah. I couldn't use like my phone after. Yeah. I felt so sore and I was like, "Oh crap." And then and then there was that wave of like, did I make a mistake? Did I just sign up or something? I don't know. Yeah. Um and and then I thought, well, you know, technically I don't have to say I don't have to commit 100% to this until later so I get more of these in. But yeah, I I just feel bad about uh you know, cancelling. I would also feel bad about counseling. Yeah. I just feel bad about I'll be doing it. Sound like you don't really want to do it. Oh, [laughter] I'll do it. feel bad about canceling. Yeah, me too. I you know why it's just I don't want to I don't want to get hurt by reprehensions. I definitely had reprehensions. So going in I think I thought to myself, well, if there's any damage that's not repairable, like my mind to me is so important that if if anything even hinders that by a percent, it's not worth it. It would suck. Yeah. Yeah. Um same thing like let's just say I get hit in the face and I get like a black eye or something like that. I I have to film. So, it's like I don't want to be covering that up. I don't want to be in a position where like I'm swollen. I got be cool to have for a film for a bit. I don't know. I I guess it's just getting hurt. If I knew I would do it and not get hurt or not have an injury I couldn't recover from within a day. Yeah. I think he's trying to make you feel bad in the face. Yeah. I don't want to die either. Yeah. You've been training pretty rigorously though. Uh, not like rigorously, but I it's supposed to be like three or four times a week, but recently I like my neck going to this um then I had the like food poisoning or like stomach virus or whatever that was. Then I'm going to a conference in like this week so it's like huge lull and working out which sucks. Um, but yeah, I I I've been trying to trying to eat better and like trying to just do it. Yeah. When you find out you were first fighting Graham, what was your initial reaction? You're like, I could beat him. It was like, thank God I'm not fighting. I was going to fight uh Captain Sparkles. Oh, yeah. Who's [ __ ] like ripped. I looked at massive and also has been boxing for like a year and Ian was like, "Yeah, that would be a fun fun match." And I was like, "Please." I was like I I said I would do it. Just know I will get knocked out for sure. And then I talked to um Captain Sparkles and I think he's the one who was like, "I don't think we should do this." That looks bad on his part. Yeah, that looks bad for him for sure cuz he would just [ __ ] on me. But not only that, he's he's a few inches taller than me. He's about two inches taller than me. He goes to the gym regular. I've seen him at the gym. He is huge. He's big. Like he has the physique that I would have if I like have a a model physique, it would be his. And he already hasn't. And more than that, he's been boxing for like a year. And a lot of it's probably just the technique. And so like he he he has checked like I probably would have considered a lot more if he had no idea how to do boxing. That would have been maybe interesting, but like every single thing was like my only thing was like, "Dude, Calvin Sparkles is pretty cool. I used to watch his YouTube. I used to watch his Minecraft parodies." Um, so it would be cool to get knocked out by him, but it was like that would not be a fun match I think for him either cuz it's not a fun thing to just on someone immediately. I I I it would have been a You know what's interesting and I've never told you this and maybe I told Ian this. I'm not sure. Yeah. Uh, somebody asked me is either Macy or Jack asked me a while ago, would you ever do a boxing match? And I said no, but the only person I would say yes to is Michael Reeves. I [laughter] swear. I swear. And that's part of what fed into this. That's because that's because uh and I willed it into existence. Uh because when we met and we measured our height similar height, same it was like identical. And even when Ian was asking like how much do you weigh? I said like about 125 130. Yeah, same. It's the same thing. So, I felt like on an even playing field, having never boxed before in my life, it would be it would be a good match. So, when he said it was you, I'm like, I I said I would, and now it's like now I'm being tested on this. Yeah. To see if I'll actually commit to it. So, I said yes. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be It's a good match. We're pretty like similar everything actually. Yeah. Same height, same build. Yeah. But I I've told everyone that you are the wild card because you have this ability I think to just like you're so smart that you would find a way like a technical way of like if I do this and I do that with this hand then I'll win. It's like I don't know. You would find I won't be doing that. I will not be smarter. What's your Well, I guess you probably shouldn't say your strategy right here because I don't even have a Yeah, I don't even I'm pretty bad at my strategy right now is not getting hit. Yeah, this [laughter] is so hard for me to visualize. Imagine if either of us know [laughter] both of us on the opposite sides for the whole minute. That was so funny. [ __ ] We're going to have to fight at some point. So, how do you like boxing so far? It's It's not what I expected, surely. Um h It's fun when you're doing it right. It's not fun when I get when I do hear like every time I'm doing something wrong, he'll like jab me in the stomach with a stick. And it's like [clears throat] I I know I do need that is important cuz it makes you learn it. Yeah. Um it's fun so far. Like it's it's a good excuse to like exercise and it's interesting. It's fun to hit a pad. Fun to hit a bag. Oh, I haven't hit a bag yet. Yeah. No, you're you're doing pads mostly. Pads? Yeah. But yeah, I was telling my guy has these big fluffy not fluffy but like the poofy mits or the gloves. Yeah. And yeah, if I put my hand down, he'll in the face. Yeah. If you put him down and I'm like, "Oh man." But sometimes I'm telling like it hurts. It hurts. Use it. No, keep going. Got to learn it. And Yeah. And sometimes I'll put him up to here and he'll go to the stomach. Stomach. Yeah. So he's like, "You got to kind of crunch over like this." And then sometimes he'll just go whailing on me and I'm going like this [laughter] and put him back. He's enjoying it way too much. Yeah. But I move back. He's like, don't move back. Don't move back. You just get it's better for you to to stand your ground or move to the side. Cuz once you move back, then it's like then you're off balance and you lose eye contact. Uh so many things that uh Dude, yeah. A lot of weird things you don't expect for sure. Like defensive stuff. I don't know. Like I've watched like boxers like in YouTube videos and I don't know how the they can like see where the punch is going to come from and like choose a defensive option. Like how do you know like to pull back or go side to side? Like it's such a fast thing for a punch to come out. Like it's it's I don't know. Maybe you just got to do it more. Yeah, I'm not that fast. I'll I'll definitely not fast enough to You'll see it come. Yeah. If this brings you guys any sort of soulless, I do think realistically you're not training for too long. You know, Gra Graham does work out. He's pretty strong. You said you're kind of newish to working out. I used to work out a lot. Okay. Sure. Yeah. But my cardio sucks. That's the thing. I do think it would be difficult for one of you, one of one of you guys, I'm saying this in the nicest way possible, to punch the other person so hard that I actually don't know. [laughter] But that's the thing. You don't know. It's like the right hit to the right spot at the right like random [ __ ] Yeah. I was like down my mitts and Michael comes and just sees the, you know, gets in on the side and just I don't know. It's just death. Yeah, I I understand the worry. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't want that either. Yeah, that would suck. But you could have a brain aneurysm anytime and that doesn't even involve boxing. So, yeah, that's a good point. My biggest thing is hitting uh even even the the boxing instructure instructor when he's up, he's like, "Okay, now you got one minute. You got to hit me." And I I cannot It's so difficult for me to hit in the face. No, not defensively, but like I feel bad. Like even if I did hit him, I would feel so like I don't want to hurt him. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I I accidentally punched my coach in the dick. Really? Punch him right in the really hard. Was he okay? No, he was he was hurt for a bit. Doubled over uh for a Yeah, he took it like a champ, but like I felt so [ __ ] bad. I felt so incredibly bad for hitting him in the dick. Yeah. What does your girlfriend think about this? She Oh, that's the best part. She has no idea. Why? How? The best part is she doesn't know. And for 2 months since I found out I was doing it, I've been like throwing boxing memes at her. I've been like jabbing her in the arm and being like, "Hey, hey, I'm going to be a boxer." And she's like, "Shut the [ __ ] up." Cuz I do it all the time. Is this on purpose? Yes. It's funny. It's I'll be like, "Hey, I'm going to be a boxer." And and she'll be like, "Where were we at?" I'll be like, "Doing boxing training. You know how it is." And she's like, "What are you saying? Stop with this." It's not a funny joke to her cuz she thinks it's a joke. But if you go to training, you tell her I'm going to boxing training and she doesn't believe your knuckles after you come back, aren't they? Like, well, we don't even we don't live in the same place, so that makes it easier. Um, and so yeah, and sometimes I'll just be I was at boxing. Usually I will not say that, but sometimes I'll be like, "Yeah, boxing." Yeah. And I got it. Even she even saw the punching bag I have like in the garage, which I Yeah. And she's like She's like, "You're really taking this meme far." [laughter] She thinks it's for the joke. She thinks it's for the joke. which is cuz I I'm like she doesn't even finally hit it much. Do you think that like you're cheating on her or something like be like yeah I know I'm boxing tonight [laughter] sorry babe like you know my instructor I'm like I'm not even I'm not telling her I'm doing it usually and so I'm building up this meme and I want to be there when she sees Ian release the card and announce the fights and I want to be there. I even have videos of me like jabbing her in the arm and being like he see I'm worried because I've mentioned casually the fight uh on the podcast we did that on the last dude. She will not she will not hear it. She probably won't. You don't think someone would like watch the podcast and just like I guess I don't know. Well, also he's going to the car's going to be Friday the announcement. Got to make it like one week. Yeah. So it's like we're we're close. Like it's 5 days actually. Um it was supposed to be last week. So I'm worried that that I ruined it or something. She finds out it's not going to be a surprise. She would tell me if if she knew. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just this funny meme where it's like, I've been building this for months. Is she going to be Is she going to laugh? I don't know. It'll be fun, though. That's hilar I love that. What do you think her reaction? Is she going to be like supportive? I think she's going to be like mad for like two minutes and then really laugh a lot. Yeah, I think she'll be supportive about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a trip free trip to Florida. Probably go to Disney World. You guys going to go to Disney World when you go? I don't know. Oh, that's a good idea. Graham wouldn't go. You're going to Disney World? No, I could work. Graham's just going in getting into a fight and going out. That's perfect for him. And Michael, I want to know since our last uh episode that we did. Yeah. What has changed for you? I know we were talking about your credit score. Yeah. Do you get credit cards? No, you didn't. So, nothing changed. No, nothing changed. Nothing changed. No. All right. So, I invest more. All right. Invest. Um Yeah. Yeah. Not much changed on the credit side. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I have my own LLC now, which is good for which is excellent, I am told. For tax purp if you're taxed as an escorp. Yes. Yeah. Which is Yeah. So, that's good. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I I do um all my business and personal expenses used to be on the same thing. So, that was really hard to figure out. So, now it's on like two separate things, which is that's good, I guess. I do hate that stuff. I Do you have someone that takes care of it all for you? Uh taxes? Yeah, I do have a tax person. Yeah, I Man, there's still so much I have to put together though, like to send to him. Feel like I should just get Turboax. I did mine. It was Oh, man. I spent going through everything. That's probably the reason I have it is cuz there's so many different weird place. Yeah. And you got like podcast and you got YouTube and Yeah. I like Twitch. I had Patreon. So much. [snorts] Yeah. And the issue though is that the IRS is so backed up that even trying to get on a phone call with them for anything is just you cannot do it. I I think uh I think I heard that only 3% of calls to the IRS right now are being answered. I didn't even know you could call the IRS. Oh yeah. For what? Just say hi. Anything. If you have questions, um you could you could call them to say hi. What's up? Yeah. But just [clears throat] Yeah. But just getting in, you're like lucky enough to be able to speak to someone there. If anyone works at the IRS who's able [laughter] No, serious. I'm like half joking. But podcast is sponsored by the Internal Revenue Service. [laughter] But no, but but no, because I sent in a forum and uh I I it's just like I don't know how long it's going to take for like a person to actually see this forum and I'm like well if one of our viewers wants to uh help me out I [laughter] don't know if that's legal legal is it help from just look at just file the form I just I just want to know if it's filed file it file it because No, it's it's I I talked to the uh talked to the tax person who said that like some of these documents they they've submitted to the IRS still haven't been processed after like six to six months to a year. That's crazy. So, it's like some of these things you want to be a little bit more timely on it. You don't you don't want to just post, you know, date it and then have like a certified mail. You want to know. So, if anyone's there who wants to check my mail for me, you just want to, you know, just or not. Or I'm joking, but you could if it's illegal. He's joking. If I'm Yeah. I don't know if that's [laughter] legal to ask if someone at the IRS could like just take a look and make sure they receive it. You know, jokingly, of course. [laughter] I don't know. Just I want to make sure they received it. That's all. Like I want to make sure they get the get the forms on time. I'm just anxious like that. That's all. Yeah. So, uh so nothing has changed since then. You're not creditwise? No. Not much of that. Not financial much wise, you know. Did you Was there any takeaway from our from our video that you're like, I learned something or No, I I should get a credit card. I learned that. But I still have not. Okay. If you got a PA, they would do it for you probably. Yeah. Yeah. You have an assistant right now or No. Yeah. How much are you working would you say on an average day? Depends on like the the era like some sometimes it's like many days of doing nothing and then some days it's like many days is the only thing I do is work. It's like yeah I don't know. Or like right now working on this video it's like get up just work on the thing and then go to sleep mostly. So how many hours would you say you have in this video? Have in this video? [laughter] Oh my god. Um, hundreds. Hundreds? Are you serious? Yeah, easily. Cuz behind the scenes like like even in that shitty presentation, Yeah. I was I was like I have to go into like my graphing software. I have to go into like not the software. I have to like make the software and I have to like use and I'm like, "Okay, I have to build out these graphs. I have to model the, you know, crunch the data set like to look like this so it fits into these graphs. I have to look up like, okay, how did like the DAO do? I'm going to now get that data. I'm going to plot that data against my graphs. It's like so much on the back end that it's like if I get a new idea for something, it's like, okay, that's going to be 5 hours, 6 hours for like a little thing like even the shitty graphs. But isn't something like that, couldn't you have someone else graph that for you? Maybe, but they'd have to be extremely involved like have access to my all my files and stuff. They'd have to be really specialized, too, because most people don't do like most people are like really good at this and they would be able to blow through this, but then I'd have to like get another person to do something else if I working on something else. So, they would be able to do this better, but it would they would only be able to do this probably. Um, yeah. So, I also like to know what's going on. Got it. I really do like to have a idea of the full picture. So, and working on every little bit helps me get an idea of the full picture. Yeah. Surely hundreds though. Um, yeah, the graphing was amazing. I feel like you could have done uh for the for the amount of time you could have spent 12 hours making the fart car horn [laughter] and just doing that and and finding a way to hack that so that people when they honk their horn, they're caught off guard and just a compilation of that. That's a fun one. Yeah. It's also hard to come up with ideas sometimes for a good idea. What are some of the other ideas that you've had that you abandoned? Ooh, baby killing drone. What was it? Baby killing drone. [laughter] Why did you abandon that idea? They told Why was that a bad idea? They told me it was insensitive. This Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was going to be a drone with a big spike on it and it could detect babies and kill them. [laughter] I'm dying. What if it accidentally saw a real life baby? Yeah. So, the baby died. would have definitely been too shitty to kill a baby, like a real baby. But I think it could have in like a garage, like a lab environment. It could have found it and and skewered a fake baby. Yeah. So, who told you that was a bad idea? It was William Osman. Yeah. Okay. William Osman and my manager were like, "That's a bad one." Do you usually ask them for your ideas before you do them just to like So, they No, that one was just I think we were just talking and I was like, "That could be fun." That's probably like the one where I was like, "Yeah, I won't. I probably won't. Maybe someday I'll still [ __ ] do it." Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah. Any other ideas? Yeah. We want to hear more of these ideas. Not ones that I shot down. Um there's got to be some like in the works that you've thought of something. Not not ones that I've like killed cuz usually if it's if it's if I like it, I'll just do it. Um there's a lot of like shitty ones though. Lots of like I could just attach a taser to something. You know what would have been nice? um [laughter] is to take that you know [clears throat] you know the package thief videos. Oh yeah. Oh and just it kills them. If but if you did something that was like even crazier like these are super tame and it's like but I don't know but if you could do something like that that's like freaky like scares pepper sprays them and tastes [laughter] it shocks them as soon as they pick it up. Yeah. Less than lethal. Less than lethal. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. And then he [clears throat] gets sued. [laughter] Yeah. Then he gets sued for damages like you're saying. Then the guy ends up pepper sprayed in the hospital but has to leave before [laughter] they take him cuz the wait was 4 hours. Yeah. [ __ ] that was a long wait. You could do a video like that. I feel like would do Yeah. It would be funny if if people try to steal the package and then like as they were trying to run off your property you had like four 6'8 bodyguards just step and just close off. It's got to be No, it's got to be the robot. Like maybe that's where the drone comes in. Yeah. The drone just chases them off. That's kind of funny. Yeah, the drone chases some sort of robot or some sort of wall that comes up that boxes them in. Yeah, that would be funny. That would be great. That's I mean that's imprisonment like [laughter] but on your property. It's it's illegal. Really? [laughter] Certainly. You can't lock but a door can't lock behind. It's like if they take that bad. The door locks. They can't get out but they're in there. Who's to say? Yeah. There's a difference between having like a reasonable thought that oh if you step behind the store it might close versus haha got you businesses do that walls around you. Yeah like like banks and stuff like that it they they control who goes in and out. If there's something someone steals something they lock them inside. I guess they do do that. Yeah. I wonder that one. Yeah. Yeah. I I I haven't even asked my like um tax person about how this video is going to work for the fish. I don't know what do you think even that happens for what the investment well you can't write you can't write off the investment so yeah so that's not yeah you're not writing off the investment now here's the thing it's not even me really buying the stocks so really should I be paying that tax yeah because it's a fishing but where's the money going once you pull out who says I'm going to pull out yeah I mean let's say you keep it in there but the thing is then everyone would call their investments a business because then I would be like well I invested did $100,000 with the monkey as a business expense and then write off that investment. That's maybe like the one that's maybe like the closest [ __ ] thing you could do. You wouldn't be able to. I mean, if you did, if you get audited, then it's like, well, hey, you I mean, that's pretty obvious likeing audit me [laughter] IRS. Well, I mean, they're trying. Listen, you never know. But my point being like technically you're not supposed to write that off. If you paid someone for software or whatever, then you'd write that off as an expense. But yeah, but yeah, it's something like that you would not be able to. Yeah, I I I doubt I will. I can't wait to explain to them though. You could try. Yeah. How about this? I would try and just say like, I can I do this and see what the reaction is. That'll be a fun conversation to have with them. But yeah, because Yeah, that's your investment. So, plus you didn't lose any money. Now, if you lost money, you'd be able to write off I lost money for sure because the other bot lost money. Oh, you did? you. Okay. Whatever the loss is, you're going to use that loft to offset your gain. Yeah. So, at the end of this tax year, what I would do is sell the losing portfolio on sell the equivalent amount of the the winning portfolio to then reset your tax basis. That way, I'll save a little bit on taxes. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah. Um, what questions do you have for us? Unless Jack I have one more question. Okay. Jack has a question. So, a lot of people consider you like a YouTuber's YouTuber because your type of like video production skills and stuff like that is like uh it's really admired by a lot of YouTubers like people look up to you. I ask a lot of YouTubers like who they watch and a lot of them say Michael Reeves. Oh, sweet. And I want to know what are some of the stuff that you pay attention to in your own videos because it seems like like every single second of your videos is like perfect. Like there's perfect buildup, there's like good climax, there's resolution, like all this stuff. scripting. Extremely good scripting. Like even the production quality, it's like I notice how your your camera quality and your audio quality, it's not perfect, but it's kind of Mr. Beastesque because he's gone on record and said he tries to make it seem like he doesn't have super high-res video quality or like audio quality. It's perfect. Do you look into that type of stuff or what strategies do you look like do your videos like you do? No, I don't uh I I don't even uh script the videos. There's no script for anything. Wow, that's impressive. I uh the way I I make it is I I think I said it last time where I'll just shoot like I'll shoot like 30 seconds worth of footage like in video time and then go over to the editing and then edit it and then I'll shoot the next 30 seconds and then just do this [ __ ] hellish back and you do like you know first try, second take, third take, fourth take. Yeah, I'll I'll usually like I can see like what I need to do based on like what I've done before it. So, it's like I'll do like, you know, if I'm at like 2 minutes, I'm like, "Okay, I don't know what needs to happen here." And I'll like edit it together and I'm like, "That needs to get filmed." So, I'll go film that, come back. It's like this slow Lego building block hell that I've made for myself. Um, yeah. So, that helps me keep track of what's happening, like have an idea of what's I think if I tried to do it all in footage and then edit it. one, I would want to kill myself cuz the editing in chunks. I hate like a huge big glob of editing to do. Um, and I would have like way less of an idea of how like everything fits together. And like I should have done that way faster or I should have done this part with more explanation. If if you're like editing it and I'm I watch it a bunch of times like up to the point that I'm trying to like to the end point that I've got, I'm like, "Okay, this part obviously needs to be a little faster cuz it's boring up until here, you know?" Yeah. Yeah. It's like you get a better idea for like how to film, better idea for how to edit. I don't know. By the time you reach the end, you've seen that 100 times. Godamn times. Yeah. Yeah. I'm tired of watching this video. Um do you have it? Can I see it? I don't have it. Sorry. Oh, man. It's like most of the way done. Like 90% done. This uh your part was actually like a big part of it. So Oh, cool. Yeah, I needed that. That was a chunk. And I It's hard to work on this [ __ ] It was actually a huge block cuz I was like, I want to see what it looks like edited with your bit before I do any other bits. Wow. So, it's like I don't Yeah, that's an honor. Wow, that's a lot of pressure. What What if you don't like Well, yeah. I I won't be upset if you cut it out. I'm not going to be upset. No, it was good. Like, whatever. It was good. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the the level of commitment because otherwise if if we didn't do this, you would literally be flying in here for really 20 like 15 minutes of filming. Yeah. To leave. I mean, it makes more sense than driving to Boston. That was a long time. But just the commitment, it would be way easier. Well, it wouldn't be the same of uh like just having me film my part. And Yeah. Yeah. Cuz now I I can have like a picture of me flying to Vegas, like a little map, and I get to do like two seconds of out the window. People appreciate that stuff. That's fun. They notice it. And I think it's funny to like go here just to get that bit. Yeah. Like it's funny to drive across the US to get that. I would have loved you to for you to have pitched this to like Kevin Olirri or like Cuban or like some someone like that. Yeah. I don't know how to get in contact with those guys though. They are uh I I can help with Kevin Olri. Oh yeah. Yeah. If I can do it within a week, then I do that. That'd be cool. Probably is. But yeah, I can ask. Yeah, that would be sick. If you could ask, that'd be sweet. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'd put that in for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be lit. Besides that, what else has changed? We got we got Alex since the last time that uh Yeah. Yeah. How is your video? So, dedicated editor, right? Uh honestly, kind of a little bit of everything, but mainly editing. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. So, Alex edits probably four out of five videos on the main channel. Uh some of the like the the last minute videos, I edit those myself. And then Alex is uh yeah, he helps here on the podcast, too. And uh random stuff like we're trying to get a pergola made in the back. And I'm like, "Alex, go to town. Give [laughter] me give me a pergola." Yeah. And then the the other thing, like a gazebo type gazebo on the back for shade. Little gazebo. Yeah. Sunny [ __ ] out there. Yeah. And then uh Alex helped me frame the Goosebumps books. So I bought like the entire series of Goosebumps in mint condition and I wanted them framed and put on the wall and god the frames were three times more expensive than the books were. Wow. Yeah. Build your own. That's awesome. Yeah. Those That's sweet. Yeah. So yeah, it was $1,800 for the three frames. For three? Yes, it was 600 custom frame. Yes. They had to be because they have to fit the width of the book. Wow. In so so the books don't get damaged. It's basically like this piece of foam that they cut out in the exact shape of the book and then they put the book in there and seal it together. My god, that's a lot of money. Yeah. But that's But I I consider it like art. I like the Goose books. Yeah, that's a that's a cool That's like the Pokemon card poster you got. Yeah, that's sick. So, I thought it's like art and for like an art piece of collectible books, I thought it was pretty cool. Yeah, that's quite sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Would you ever uh outsource your editing, Michael? Uh, it's hard cuz I do that weird thing where I go like back and forth. So, it's I don't think I could. Like, it's maybe for like a huge chunk where it's really annoying and I just need to do the rough rough cut stuff. Um, I have a hard time like trusting others though, not just in YouTube, in my life. Um, but [laughter] uh, yeah, I think it would be hard with the way I film. So, I it's not something I am looking for right now. Like it's if anything, it would be like someone to help me with like engineering stuff that I am bad at like mechanical and electrical probably my weakest bits of engineering. So maybe maybe like a really good uh what is it? Me engineer. Mechanical electrical engineer. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah. I don't know. I see you. I think if you got an assistant Yeah. Just like a part-time assistant for random stuff. I think that's what you need. No one full-time, no editor, but just but just a smart person to help you on the side with like researching stuff or like helping you pull some of these things together like graphs and just stuff like this that you could work with somebody on to speed up the process. Yeah, that that might be cool. Someone local who who will work like any hours like you're like, "Hey, come over at 1:00 a.m. We're going to be working on this." Be like, "Yeah, I've been thinking about it. I've been playing with that idea. It it would be like really helpful for some bits." just my like putting together my garage after I move is still not together. It's taking so much time. See, something like that. Just a jack of all trades and pay them $69,420 a year. Yeah, that'd be sweet. And that's and that's what they make. But it's just odd hours. Just be ready anytime. [ __ ] Be like just be on call 24/7. Don't call call me. I'll just call you when I when you get that call on this cell phone. Then you drop everything and you come work. Oh man. One of those. Yeah, that'd be cool to have. What would you say motivates you? Um, I don't know. Memes. Memes. Like, what is something that you that you aspire to to do in this somewhat near future? Something you want? Um, memes. Memes. Yeah. Do epic trolling. Uh, no. Uh, I don't know. I have no like near future goal. finish this [ __ ] video for the love of God and then do another one really fast afterward so that I don't wait another year. That is why wait why do you wait a year? Cuz I guarantee in a year there must have been some idea that Well, this one was just painful. This one not painful but like took a lot of time. Grueling. There was a lot of like time based aspects that I could not change by like working more efficiently. Like it has to trade stocks for a month or two. Um, yeah, just getting everything together, learning how to use like a stock market API, figuring out like the workflow of it. Um, it was a lot. Yeah. So, ideally, I start faster again, maybe work more efficiently cuz there's a bunch of [ __ ] that I want to do, but I'm slow and Yeah. So, my favorite video from yours was was the Roomba video. Thanks. Yeah, that was my favorite one. I think if you did another one of those, I think I think something involving a Tesla. Yeah. Something the fart noise, the horn, like something like that. I made my Tesla a Roomba cleans up salt flats. Just something like that. Or or you know the Tesla peas or the Tesla it's beer if someone gets too close to the car like something happens. I don't know. Someone kills them. [laughter] You know what? Yeah. I'm going to make a boxing glove with a gun in it. Like Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. [laughter] Maybe not. But like in LA there's all these car thefts right now. Like people are complaining like cars are getting broken into. Maybe you set up your Tesla as like a bait car and like if they break and steal something the Tesla I don't know. That would be crazy. I bet you that would be dangerous and illegal though if you said the car is a bait car and then as soon as it like it started taking off you blared music like super loud or some meme song and so yeah you have as soon as they get in [laughter] you have it jump a hill or yeah you have you get to remote control the cop soundtrack and drive it straight to do what like so they know these are definely dangerous ideas I I think my like the maximum you can go with that if you ever seen the of the guy who did that with bikes like and tie the rope to it and it'll like Yeah. And there's one where there was a taser attached. It might have been fake, but that's like an awesome idea that I wish I could have do that or maybe like No, cuz then you're hurting people for sure. Yeah, that's the thing. Like a piston to throw them off the bike hilariously. Launch him into like a pool of water. Yeah. Yeah, that would be funny. But then you're like that's like lost territory. Hurt anybody. Yeah. The most he could probably do is like I don't know if you guys saw um I think was it was it Dustin from Smart Everyday where he made like a a bicycle but the handlebars were reverse. Oh yeah, I did see that. It's like the pedaling was backwards, right? No, it was like the actual handlebar. Yeah, you turn it right and it goes left. Yeah. [snorts] Oh, I saw that. Would be funny to watch people steal like Yeah, that would be and then they get on and they try to Yeah, that is a good idea. Yeah, you should do that. That's smart. All right. Well, I'm I'm good. Yeah. Cool. Thank you for having me. Thank you for getting your free stock down below. Public.com worth all the way up to $1,000. I don't even know if that's my URL. [laughter] We're going to have a lot of editing to do in this. See, I don't know if we like technically we should bleep out some of the swearing. I some of it, but I feel like it doesn't matter that much, does it? Technically, there's not supposed to be any swearing in the first 30 seconds. Yeah. I hate that role. That was awesome, man. You guys didn't even end the podcast. Thanks for watching, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Michael. Don't forget. Thank you, guys. Oh, and subscribe. And subscribe. All right. Cool. All right.