Confronting iDubbbzTV | Revealing His Bitcoin Investment

Hello everyone. My name's Ian. Welcome to the 35th ever Iced Coffee Hour podcast. We're making a lot of money on this podcast. 3393873 That's a lot of digits, baby. I'll take it. That's good enough. Yeah, thanks so much for coming on. No, it's good. It's good. All right. Thanks so much for coming on. We really appreciate this. You just filmed like an hour-long shoot with Graham for the main channel and you still have the energy to do this. I'm a machine. You were made for this. Uh yes. God crafted me in his lab and put a lot of testosterone in me and a lot of dopamine. Stamina, I would say, just to keep filming. Just to keep going. So thank you so much for coming on. Mhm. I'm always curious about this. I actually don't know the answer to this. Why did you come up with the name iDubbbz TV? I'm wondering if I should give up game on myself or not. This would be like This would be new news for the internet. I think everyone thinks it wouldn't guess it would be Ian. First name Ian. Last name Last name? Donovan. Last name? Wait, Carter. No, that's a lie. That's an internet lie. No. Yes, I don't usually give that away, but it's an internet lie. Last name starts with a W. German? Well, I'm not going to I'm not going to give the full last name. You guys have to do some creepy kind of research to figure it out, but it starts with a W. iDubbbz So we have to figure out your last name. No, you don't you don't have to figure it out. [laughter] I'll tell you guys after the Iced Coffee Hour. That's amazing. Why keep the lie going though? What's what's the big deal? Well, I mean it's not going to matter now because everyone like this is why I avoid doing it because everyone in your in your stupid comment section, bless their little hearts, they're going to plaster it all over the place now and it's going to be upvoted like crazy because we brought attention to it. But that's okay. I'm willing to risk that. Yeah. Yeah. But why carry it so far? Why not just be up front with your last name then no one would care about it. They would care because it's so secretive now. That's true, which is exactly why I'm giving it up. On the Iced Coffee Hour, 33,000 dollars. Good. Wow. Is there a reason you put three B's, right? Was it three B's? Yeah, one B and two B were taken. That makes sense. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I'm committed. I'm like I need this name, but I don't want to put like numbers in it. Who would take them? Who who took those accounts? Did you ever find out? with identical names or I don't know. The the the letter N Dubbz is a very popular format like among hip hop moguls. Mhm. J Dubbz, T Dubbz But what about the TV part at the end? Was iDubbbz taken already so you got like three B's? that's what TV stands for. Exactly. TV one So [laughter] it first channel was demonetized cuz I was watching my own ads. Not actually. Not not actually. But they they they were a little sus on the channel so they suspended the account so I needed to make a new one and uh obviously three B's and a Z was taken so I did add the TV. Oh, you had iDubbbz? Yeah, I have both channels, yeah. Wow. Did you sell that first channel? I bet there's someone out there who would buy it from you even if it's demonetized. Yeah. Yeah, that might be a good good video. I sold my [clears throat] old [laughter] first iDubbbz channel. And you could I could sell it to you and you can go through and take a tour cuz there's a bunch of unlisted videos. That's a lot of content. Is everything unlisted? Uh no, not everything. How have I not seen that? this just Minecraft content? a lot of Minecraft content. [laughter] Me and my buddy Radikal were playing this a Minecraft Daisy combo game called MineZ where it's like zombies in Minecraft. Okay. I played that. Yeah. How old are you? 22. 22. Oh man. Jack's a young'un. Yeah, there's some stuff on there. I was trying to break into it the other day, but I don't have the login credentials. I'll need to like figure out how to contact Google to hook me up. Mhm. Do you have a contact at Google? No. Nobody does. Nobody does. Gosh. Except that's the Yeah. The like I don't know, very business forward people. I think Ethan has a contact or a couple contacts cuz he's like very on the money when it comes to that stuff, but I'm just like I need help from one Google person at a time every three years so I'll reach out and I I won't know their email or they'll be defunct three years later. So we have a genuine question and this is quite a bit embarrassing actually, but why did you agree to come on? Is that an embarrassing question? I don't know because we did not ask that. A lot of the times when we do collaborations with people like Pokimane, we question Pokimane a lot. We just were like why did she want to make a video with us? If Eric Graham, if anything, it's like it's like it doesn't Okay, so I don't get to talk about my financials or any of the I guess sort of like even meta YouTube stuff very often. So like having an excuse to do it, it would be wildly inappropriate for me to do it on my channel. Me to be like, "Hey guys, forget the commentary, forget the this or that. I'm going to talk to you about what's in my bank account today." Like [laughter] I think your audience would love it. They might. they would. Uh but I I know that coming onto your turf, your audience is definitely going to be approving of it. You know? That's the theory. I think that Graham's YouTube channel is disproportionately popular amongst YouTubers. Like more YouTubers like your channel. Because like Pokimane, it's like what does what does she have any association with Graham? You know what I mean? But we had her on. Yeah, I think you have a few things going for you. I think the uh you like responded to like I think Pokimane like watching an original video of you on something else and I think you coming at it how you did where it's like I'm just going to go through like the general critiques or the general things that you know, cuz these are common questions that a lot of people have I think especially when they're viewing these weird Jubilee-esque videos and you're just getting kind of sound bites. Uh so I think that clarification, I don't know, it made me confident that uh this would be an enjoyable experience. I hope it is. Now the pressure's on because yeah, like Jack said, I'm always questioning like because I don't feel worthy a lot of the time. Like for Pokimane, like she could just she could just she has so many people. But she could just post it on her channel. Yeah. And I'm like but and I'm sure that I I don't know if there are bigger channels on you. That's the thing. I don't know if there are bigger channels about business on YouTube right now. Maybe Valuetainment. I think But they're like a they're like a corporation. It would be hard to collab with them. You're just a YouTuber, you know? I don't know. Well, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. I know. Do you have any tattoos? [snorts] Uh no. However, I do have this uh yeah, right there. You see that? Oh, from a pen. thing Yeah, pencil. Oh, I've got a couple of those. My dad spooked me when I was coming out of the garage [clears throat] and I somehow stabbed myself with a pencil. what's funny? I actually have one little thing. You can't really see it anymore, but right there on my thumb, a little mark from lead that when I was a kid just a pencil went into my thumb and it's still like a little just you see a little bit of lead right there. It's never gone away. So we're So what you're saying is we're tough guys. Yeah. Yeah, I got one too. I can handle the ink. significant Yeah. Blood brothers. So would you get any tattoos or you you know you would? definitely. It's just there's so many other things that like are taking up my interest. I I actually imagine it being more of a later in life thing. Really? Yeah. Yeah. like it's a young person's thing to get a tattoo. Yeah, I think maybe if you're doing it for like identity purposes or you like I don't know, like you just like the look of them. Like you can get them kind of whenever. Uh Would you want to do one that's meaningful? No, absolutely not. Anissa and I talk about it all the time. There's a ton of people criticizing like Anissa's tattoos saying like, "Oh, it's so basic." And then they'll like send a picture of like their tattoo that has meaning and it's like a triforce with their mom's face in it or something. Infinity symbol right [laughter] here. It's like, "All right, meaning cuz your mom gave you Zelda when you were three. Awesome, [laughter] dude." So yeah, the meaning thing I think is silly. If you want to have meaning, that's great for you, but I think most people do it cuz they like the aesthetics and the look of it. I think it looks cool. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I think I could Graham says he wants an entire sleeve but only if you would have it for like a year. If it could disappear in like two years, I would do it. A sleeve I just have it cuz I think it's cool looking cuz I've always been in like the whole like music stuff and I've just I think it would be cool to be like playing the drums like a sleeve. Does that surprise you about Graham? Um That's surprising me here. I I feel like the everyone I think a lot of people will see the tattooed look and like anything like a piece of clothing and they'll be like, "That looks cool." Or you know, you make some assumptions of like, "Oh, a little bit mysterious. Maybe they got a bit of a background." I think it builds some amount of like visual character that you don't already have. Um so it makes sense. Uh especially the only having it for a year part. I just want I don't want anything permanent like that. Like I just I we get tired of it or I'd look back at it or I don't know. I just I couldn't do it. it would be funny and it would be unique for like to have a YouTube channel talking about investing in Roth IRAs and stuff like that, rental properties. I just be like tatted up. Yeah, I and and you have the chops now that you could do that, right? It's not going to affect your growth going forward. I don't know. Because there are definitely, I think, certain people in the business world that are still very much uh They're losers. They're losers. They're losers. they just they won't be able to see past that. And there are people like So, I almost see that as like why be a little bit divisive if you can help it. just do it and not worry about the moolah. It's all about the money. Like if if I don't need the dad like it's if it's not like something you need to do. What if you're able to like educate these losers about it? And it the whole thing is like a like a crowd fund or you sell space to brands on your body. Yeah. Um what brands you got like what Yeah, you got a Weevil thing on there? Yeah. They buy it. They buy space on your arm. You can even sell space to fans. That reminds me of that pixel website. What was it? The million pixels or whatever? Million dollar website. Million dollar homepage is what it was called. Did you hear about this? No, what is it? Genius idea. The kid wanted to pay for his college. So, he creates this website and he sells ad space permanently on this website. And it was like a dollar a pixel. And he had a million pixels. So, he wanted to sell out uh the entire front page of his homepage. And he did. How did he get traffic? It went viral. This is like back in like the early 2000s or like the late 1990s. Should be. I think it's yeah, called the million dollar homepage. Wow, I got to check that out. Yeah, and it's still up there. I'll put up a screenshot, guys, so you can see it. What else, Jack? Yeah, I do want to say I really appreciate uh the new content you're putting out. I love it. I loved your old content, too. I'm actually I'm I'm a huge fan. I was really nervous to meet you. And uh I love the transition. And I I just want to say something about the uh the DAX flame thing. Uh-huh. And also, actually really quickly, I do want to say one other quick note. Um when are you going to do something with the Report of the Week? Oh, um I love that. Yeah. That's going to happen. It better happen. He never has gone on anyone else's channel, right? Uh he's done some with like Business Insider, I think, but that's about it. Yeah, but that was just like an article, right? Or like a quick video. Yeah, quick video. Uh I don't know. [clears throat] I've I've uh I think briefly reached out to him. Uh he seems I don't know. He's a funny guy on like Twitter and stuff, but I don't know how into the idea he is, but uh that could eventually come, for sure. I think he's just nervous to appear on other people's channels. And he's also uh I think a a very large introvert. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. But that would blow up cuz people like me are just like wildly curious what he's at like you know what I mean? Right. And in different environments. up and he's like wearing sweatpants and basketball shorts down to his ankles? Yeah. Oversized t-shirt on. Yeah. Like Supreme. It's like I don't know. I I just think it would be interesting. Gucci head to toe. Driving around in a Lambo. Yeah. You would think though if he did that, someone would spot him. Mhm. Like he would have a picture out there of just you got caught. Yeah. It's true. Yeah, there are plenty of people creeping around in public who could catch that. I think he's I don't know if it's his grandparents' house or what it is, but I think that's where he spends most of his time when he's not. Yeah. Uh driving around getting fast food. That would be amazing. Yeah. So, if you ever want to do that, you got it. Definitely a full-time watcher. Okay. Okay. Yeah. You have at least two views. People will love it. They will love it. Yeah. I Yeah, I Really quick, we have a word from our sponsor Grammarly. There have been so many times in my life where I've had trouble writing effectively or expressing myself clearly. For example, usually when we invite our guests onto the podcast, it requires me to reach out to the guest via DM asking if they'd like to come on. This process can be really timely and my writing needs to be exact in order to be successful. I don't want my DM to come off weird. In cases like this, it really helps to have Grammarly Premium. 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And with that said, thank you so much and back to the podcast. Definitely get that sense. A lot of people have been saying Report of the Week. Have they? Yeah, because it's just like I think it comes naturally to a lot of people who watch these videos. They're like, "Oh, I've seen the Fatty thing. I've seen the DAX thing. Like these are some characters that are a bit awkward. I want to know more about them." So, Report of the Week comes up often. Do you just want to do these these like awkward figures who really just have a unique story or do you want to just whoever comes up comes up? Yeah, whatever's whatever's the most interesting, I think. We have some people right now on the docket who are interesting characters. Uh can't say more than that, but they uh they'll scratch an itch, a curiosity itch. Oh, that's good. How do you find people? Is are these people that you just come across or you watch? it's the same way people come across Report of the Week, right? Like it's just, you know, browsing hours and hours of YouTube videos, you know, go going down rabbit holes. Um So, yeah. I mean, it's it's constantly shifting. We have a big document of like people we're like crossing off lists and saying, "Oh, that won't work." Or this is is looking likely or, you know, all sorts of things. Have people ever not agreed to do a documentary? Like you've come to them and said, "Listen, I prefer you not do it." Yeah, definitely. There was uh there was someone that we were looking to do it with and they just kind of got cold feet and I I understood why. I think they were afraid that we were going to put them in a bad light cuz they saw the Fatty documentary and they were like, "You guys are just treating him like a clown. Like it's just a spectacle. Like you you want to make me a spectacle." That sort of thing. And I understand the sentiment. It becomes a little bit different when you get to know them, and that's why I was, you know, I'm okay with doing it cuz it's all in good fun. We wouldn't do anything that people weren't like comfortable with, you know? Would you ever consider doing one of those videos on someone you made a Content Cop about? Oh, wow. Doing it on Leafy would be the most amazing thing in the entire world. Yeah, I mean, I'll I'll put it out there. It'll break the internet. Yeah, I'll put it out there. I'm I'm pretty much willing to do it with with anyone. That you had on Content Cop? Yeah. So, if if someone wants to reach out, but it's one of those things I don't blame anyone who like That's why I wouldn't want to reach out because it's kind of like, "Hey, I made like a decent amount of money and views and attention off of you. I wouldn't want one of them like intrusively double dip and say, [laughter] "You have every right to hate me, but hey, you want to do it with me?" of you. Yeah, exactly. you? Yeah. It seems like a bit much, but I'd be okay with it. I I feel like they could appreciate it because it's you wanting to know more about them and Right. Well, yeah, and there's a history there that we could explore. I think that could be really cool. Um because I've definitely grown. I've changed my mind on a lot of things. So, I think there would be a lot to unpack and a lot to explore, but it's up to them. It's not Yeah. For the Content Cops, um obviously I I think none of that was personal, but where where am I getting with this? Was was a lot of that just in good fun, in good spirits, or do you think people were were genuinely hurt by some of these things, or do you think it's just like just internet drama going back and forth? Oh, I mean, like all the above, I would say. Like a mixture of all of that. Like it's, you know, sometimes it's like, you know, a lot of these channels I actually genuinely didn't like the the either the videos they were making or the way they were like kind of putting themselves out there. I sort of tried to stick to, I don't know, like uh more objective things, right? But at the end of the day, it's just like a lot of it I'm not happy with just because I I don't think there's any way I could I could have done that without doing something more like a documentary that's a little bit more fair. Um Because people will kind of take what they want out of it. Like it's all in an air of negativity mostly. And so, even though I'm being negative about a certain list of things, people will be like, "Oh, like we're hating this person now. Let's hate on this person now." And they'll add more things to that list. And it's like I'm not adding all those things to the list. I was like pretty specific. So, this is getting a little more deep here. What do you think of Grammarly, let me know what you think. What do you think of cancel culture? Yes or no? Yes. [laughter] Yes. So, you like it? No. I just I thought it was a funny question, so I just wanted to And I have a it's it's a it's segueing into Oh, interesting. Okay. Um Maybe. Maybe. Do you think that your Content Cops were any different than canceling? No. So, you think they were canceling? Yeah. Wow. That just shattered my brain. Yeah. [laughter] Okay. Yeah. I mean, I don't take it like it is what it is. Like it I think you have to be a little bit logically consistent with it. Like if you don't think it's a big deal that, you know, so-and-so did this list of bad things, like I don't know. There there there's a spectrum, right? Like I I think about all the people I may I've made videos on and like like pretty far on that spectrum of like objective things that are like worth criticizing. I think you have someone like Keemstar where it's like, "Yeah, this is like a net negative on the world." [laughter] So, it's like how do you like counteract that a little bit? And it's like, "Yeah, a little bit of criticism, a little bit of bringing people's attention to it." But um there are other people like I think the Leafy content cop where it's like, "Yeah, this guy makes commentary videos and he kind of like makes fun of people. I'm literally going to do the same thing to him." And it's like, [clears throat] "That is not a net It's not It wasn't necessarily the same as it was for some of the other people you did on content cops. Right. Yeah, yeah. But the idea in mind with those episodes was to deplatform people. No. No, definitely not. Um like with something like the Keemstar one, like I I wouldn't look for him to be deplatformed in a way. I think I guess that's the distinction you're making between yeah, cancel culture. It's very hard because I I I often think that a lot of people who, you know, get canceled end up just They do it themselves kind of way. Not not by their actions beforehand, but their actions after people say that cancel so-and-so, right? Like cuz you can keep making videos. Um if people happen to stop watching it, you know, you could chalk it up to just about anything, right? Like maybe you're maybe you're on your way down anyway. Right? Like maybe your views were going down anyway and it was just a kind of a matter of time. Um but there's a lot of people. I mean, I I I think maybe Christine Elia is an example. Right? Do you know that comedian? Yeah, um He like I think did I mean, I haven't seen any of his stuff at all. disappeared. He's just disappeared. And it sort of depends on the thing, like if you uh Some of it's like really shameful and feels really bad to just show your face in public again. And uh I think that kind of stuff is like it's like I think it's really bad to make people feel like that level of shame cuz that is unmatched, right? Like there's no like average person who has to deal with that like sort of online like mob. So it's like we're really unprepared for it. Like I I can't even like I don't really even understand how like a therapist would deal with someone who's going through that because it's like where is your comparison that you're getting like like inundated in social media, maybe inundated in your day-to-day life. Like I don't know how you handle it. So I think that aspect is really tough. It reminds me yeah, that reminds me of a story uh I think 3 years ago, 3 and 1/2 years ago when I first started making YouTube videos, I had this guy reach out for a consulting call. And I took it. This is the hardest call I ever had to do. I don't think I've ever told anybody about this, actually. I'm not [snorts] I don't know if I should mention Just Mention it. Just don't say their name if you don't You can say their name and I'll bleep it out. You people people people people Yeah, the context will give it away. We could use our best judgment here, but it was Actually, I'll get rid of some of the details. It was someone who is like you type in their name and instantaneously, the first thing comes up is some like really horrible cases that came up. Uh and some really serious allegations against them. And because he has a really unique name. And he said he had to drop out of school. He left his job. Uh no one will hire him. He spent all of his money defending him. His parents spent all of their money defending him. They have no money left. He can't get a job anymore. And wanted to come to me for advice. And my advice was you have to change your name. Now, the crazy thing was that he was proven not guilty. But that was a year later. And by that time, all the articles that got bumped up to the top were like allegation, you know, this this this and that. It's a big case, but a year later, no one covered that he was guilty. So he's like, "Even though I'm guilty, people don't believe it." he's not guilty. Even though he's not guilty. Yeah, I think that is like the that is the penultimate like example of how bad it can be. Like that is That's it. And that could be the case for a lot of uh you know YouTubers. Yeah. Streamers. Yeah, but it goes to show you like some of that stuff will stick with you for a very long time. And I think we as humans are not dealt for that. Like you have to think, too. We're used to being in like a small tribe, let's say, like a little community. And not used to going out in public and like everyone universally just typing in your name in Google and be like, "Oh, you did that?" Mhm. I don't want to risk Yeah, just being ostracized. Oh, absolutely. I do agree. I think that a lot of the people that have been maybe canceled, their actions that led to being canceled, they didn't really foresee like maybe how bad they were. Maybe sometimes they were just being like ignorant and not malicious, you know? Yeah. And then of course they lost their entire platform. They can't show their face anymore. Right. And of course you can't really use ignorance as an excuse. Yeah, but I think you But it's different. Yeah, I think people want equity and they think like you have with all the famous people, I think they perceive their joy and you know, the life they've experienced to be like very high up there in level of happiness and enjoyment. So they're like, "I want that same level in the other way where you're getting torn down." And they don't really realize like like this like way worse happens all the time all around them at their dentist's office, you know, like wherever. And like often times no one knows about it. Like so it's the I I think it's just important to understand that it's like it's a different world and it doesn't necessarily need to be like you don't need to tear people down as much. Like their mistakes being in the public eye is good enough. Like that's good enough. You don't need to like further push it. That's The hard part now, too, is that everything is recorded. Like every tweet you've made, every Facebook post. And like I think I got on MySpace. I was like 14 or 15 years old on MySpace. I'm sure I said some stupid stuff as like a 15-year-old on MySpace. Thankfully, that website's like you can't even log in anymore. So that's all erased. But uh I know it's like you you've just done things that 30, 40 years ago, that never would have been like you don't have a text message from it. Right, right. Or you just [clears throat] change as a person and you evolve and you look back and you're like, "That's cringey. Shouldn't have done that." But Well, yeah, that's a lot of the stuff that people are getting canceled for. Sort of the I don't know what you'd call it, the 24-hour cancelings of people where it's like you know, someone's name is trending. Doja Cat is trending. And it's like it's trending because she tweeted some silly like, you know, 5 years ago. And it's like that's what everyone is doing right now. Like you need to do that to get attention. Like when I didn't have any followers, I was saying the worst imaginable on Twitter just to try to get attention. And like yeah, I'm not going to delete it by the time, you know, that I do get that attention. So it's like I think everyone's doing some version of that because it's like I'm not being heard by the world. I If you're being heard by the world since you were born, you're not going to say the crazy stuff. It might be like a curve. Like right now we're climbing and uh soon enough we're going to realize that all these people that are now 35, 30, they did stupid stuff. Everyone does stupid stuff when you're 16, you know, 15, 17. And then all of the sudden we're going to realize everyone did it and then we're going to come back down and we're going to take it for what it is instead of maybe hyping things up. about everything before 4:20? We just chalk that up to like love that. I would actually love that. just like you just forgive it automatically. It's good. It's a little bit that way in other facets of life, for sure, you know, but it's tough though because I think about how I was playing Minecraft at, you know, 23 and you know, gaming it up with my boys and putting it on YouTube. It's like everyone matures at a different rate and like I think like you know, other people's 16 was closer to my 20 or something, you know, like not it's Sadly, I kind of think the same. you more careful about what you say today and like what you put out there? Or are you still more free and just whatever you feel want to just say? Uh I mean, I've always been careful about it. Like I think the sort of the more edgy content that I did back in the I shouldn't say back in the day, a few years ago. Um Like that was all intentional. It wasn't like I was I was just saying speaking my mind. Like a lot of that stuff you need to be intentional if you're going to say it. And my I think my thought process was if I start this off like as bad as it gets, then the rest of it will be smooth sailing. It's sort of like a strategic move. I look at a lot of comedians and a lot of comedians who just sort of have some of the worst jokes, they can kind of just get away with a lot more. Yeah. That's good answer. Great answer. Let's get back to the money. let's talk money. All right. All right. You guys have vehicles? Yes. Do you want to speak a little closer to the You guys have vehicles? Yes, sir. You guys have Teslas? Yes. Oh, Jack Jack wants a Tesla really badly. I tell Jack not to get a Tesla. He I I think it's so important to always have that little carrot dangling in front of your face that like you could work towards that. Yeah. I know as soon as Jack gets that Tesla It's the next thing. It's not even Not even it's the next thing. You're going to you you just relax afterwards. You're like, "Oh, come on. I'm not going to relax on my work, Graham." You get a Tesla When the Tesla's the one thing that you want more than anything. As soon as you achieve that Yeah. But I think that that's speaking for some people. I'm a simple person. There isn't a lot that I want. I think you're similar. Like I don't think that cuz you said money doesn't drive you. I don't think it drives me either. There's just a certain like I want something and once I get I'll be satisfied. know what you think. I think Graham has a point in that you The pre-gaming is actually some of the funnest part. Mhm. Right? Where it's like the anticipation of getting it, thinking about getting it. You know, if you're buying a Tesla, stretch that purchase over like a few months. You know, keep visiting the website. Really savor the moment. Okay. I I see that it's 560 something dollars every day. I check it. Yeah. I I think um uh just use the philosophy of like maybe get it when you can buy like three of them. Well, I told Jack when when a rental property that can pay for the Tesla, then he could get the Tesla. That that's that's what I thought. It'd be a fair trade-off. has like their own little like method of the madness. I think that's a good example. That makes a lot of sense. What do you drive? Uh I'm really happy with my car. It's a a 2019 Subaru Outback. Nice. Cool. Okay. Yes. Uh it's a recent purchase. I got rid of my Jeep. I was rolling around with a Jeep for a long time. And uh it's awesome. I go off-roading. Mhm. It has good MPGs. Did you buy it new? Uh no. I bought it used um off of the Carvana website. Okay. Uh really I I'll tell you what. Uh used car dealerships car dealerships in general are absolute hell. And that's like a good example of what we were talking about in the interview of like, you know, put money in things that like like good experiences or good businesses that you've uh you know, seen. And that was one of them where I was like, "Holy They dropped the car off. I didn't have to deal with some lunatic. And it was way cheaper than, you know, any any other uh car dealership that I went to. Um yeah, it was like it's a man, it only had like 9,000 mi on it. And I paid like 23,000. And it it's a like a 29 $9,000 car. Yeah. So, it was pretty substantial. Cash? Bought it cash. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What's your opinion on that? Cars in the beginning, I'd always say get a loan on it. But I think now for me at this point, it's not worth getting a loan. Right. Right. It'll change though depending on maybe the how expensive the car is. I think it's really just the perspective of it. And uh I wouldn't exert myself anymore to try to save like an extra 50 a month by writing off a car loan and try it it's just not worth the hassle I think at this point of just getting a loan unless I really have to. That makes sense. What do you What are you riding? Uh 2006 Lexus RX 330. It's my grandma's car. That's sick. Yeah. What color? It's a nice car. It's white. White. And the uh the steering wheel and the shifter, they're both like wood glossy wood. That's cool. Yeah. I want to see that. Well, I guess you wouldn't see that in a Tesla, but you can get the steering wheel. Yeah. Wood. Yeah. I like Jack's car a lot. We took it to Vegas one time. And the seats are so comfortable. ride. Yeah. It feels like you're on one of those leather couches. You know those 90s leather couches that you just sink into a little bit. Right. Right. It feels like that. That's cool. I like that. nice. Only 70,000 mi, too. Oh, okay. You can keep chugging on that thing. Okay. That's neat. So, what's your dream car? Really quick, you guys, we have a word from our sponsor Simply Safe. Everyone wants to keep their home and family safe, whether it's from a break-in, a fire, flooding, or a medical emergency. Simply Safe home security delivers award-winning 24/7 protection. With Simply Safe, you don't just get an arsenal of cameras and sensors, you get the best professional monitors in the business. They've got your back day and night, ready to send police, fire, or EMTs when you need them most straight to your door. But that is not even the best part about Simply Safe. 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This may Look, I don't want this to come off the wrong way. Okay? This is not anything directed towards you. But this is I want your advice on something. Yours as well. Since I am 22, I feel like there is something different about having a Tesla at 22 than there is at 27. Like right now, I'm still so youthful. You know? [laughter] Like I'm so [clears throat] youthful. That is Don't take this the wrong way, but That is such an awesome thing to say. I'm youthful. [laughter] Brimming with youth. No. No, but like okay, you're still youthful at 26. But like there's I don't know. I feel like I still haven't gone through like that crazy maturation phase yet. Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe I like say What do you What say maybe not youthful, but immature. He's calling He's calling us old. No, that's not I I really did not intend Oh, no. No. No. No. No. I'm not [laughter] taking anything. But but yeah, I guess what do you What do you mean when you say that? What if I were to wait, you know, four more years and technically I'm able to afford it now. But what if I waited till I'm 26? And I feel like you know, dangling the carrot's good. But having your dream car at 22 versus having it at 26 while I'm still so I I I I don't see people Jack, it's like the difference between getting a a Lambo at 20 versus a Lambo at 30. The Lambo at 20 is a much different experience than a Lambo at 30. All right, enough of that. Enough of the Tesla. [laughter] Let's change it. Let's change the subject. I just think it's important to always have that thing to look forward to. Yeah. Oh, I wanted uh I've I've noticed I haven't seen the videos, but I've noticed you've been posting some videos about Bitcoin cuz crypto in general cuz that's popping up. What uh What [clears throat] Give me the skinny on what you've been saying in these videos. Okay. I put 1% of my portfolio into Bitcoin and Ethereum. Um so, 60% Bitcoin, 40% Ethereum. Ethereum's actually done better for me as an investment overall than Bitcoin so far. Um what changed my mind I've always been against cryptocurrency. I've always just felt like I've dabbled in it just to see what it's like. Just wanted to get some experience. It's not the appeal, but I'm always like, "Eh." Um what really got me was a lot of the mainstream adoption and how so many people were putting a small portion of their money into Bitcoin. And I'm thinking with the amount of money just entering the economy right now, there is no chance that we don't see inflation in the future. I just think there there's so much money just just pouring out there. And I think to risk 1% of my portfolio, that would be a better use of my money than keeping that 1% in cash, let's just say. And I think there's a bigger risk to not investing 1% than there is to invest 1% even if that 1% drops 90%. Like so what? I lose 1%. Not a big deal. Uh but in the small chance that maybe it just does really well long-term, I just I don't want to look back and be like, "Ah, I wish I kept it." Yeah, that's like my same logic with it. I was slightly I mean, is that a recent change then? Uh this month. Yeah, when did I buy I bought it in I think the beginning of the year, like 3 weeks ago. Yeah, beginning of the year. And honestly, part of that reason was like I had so much cash. And I'm like, "It's stupid just keeping it in I may as well just 1% into this." And just if I need the money, like I'll just sell it. But it's it's certainly interesting. And the more I look into it, believe it or not, the more um open I am I am to it. Like like 2 years ago, 3 years ago, I was like, "What's the point?" Um but honestly, the more research I'm doing, I wouldn't tell people to be like, "Go all in or invest like this is a great investment." But I just think long-term it could be a good hold. You can risk it. What what I've been saying is a lot of people like pretty level-headed people doing that sort of technique. Not 1% necessarily, closer to like 10%. Um Yeah. as a sort of a gold replacement if you if you are a gold investor. Not investor, but like a hedge against inflation kind of thing. Um that's what I've done. Um Your 10%? Yeah. 10% in gold or Bitcoin? Bitcoin. Not the Bitcoin Ethereum, kind of the same price. When did you start buying crypto? Um earlier than January. It was some I think in May and then some Yeah, that was a good time. Oh, May. So, that would have been it would have been about seven five 7,000. And then you're kind of okay with losing that money, it's totally worth putting in there. Did you go in with 10% of your net worth or did it grow to 10% of your net worth? Uh cuz I'm sure that it's grown faster it really has. But I mean, everything's kind of been growing in tandem, I would say. Um yeah, it it it's more so close closer to grown to 10%. Um and I'm just like I'm totally fine with that. I I'm putting more in, but it's uh for every dollar you have in Bitcoin, you should at least have like one to two in index funds. At least. Index funds are like the foundation. They're just a safety net. You're never going to see them go down 20%. I mean, I guess it's possible, but rare. You're going to see a big drop like that versus let's say something like plug. It's going to go down. It's just not worth the capital preservation. Like it definitely will grow your account. That makes sense. It tends to be a lot more steady. You don't get the big ups and downs. You get a you know, a solid plus or minus 2% at the very most in a day, usually. Something around there. Is the like hedge against inflation like your main reason for like being convinced of it or is there like something more that like really changed your way of thinking and being like, "Oh, this stuff is worth putting money into." Yeah, I think as people are really adopting a digital dollar, I think it's hard not to look at Bitcoin as just a store of value. That did it for me, and and I would say also maybe equally just the inflation bit. I just I really believe that our dollar at some point has to be devalued. The only reason it's not right now is because nobody is spending money. Mhm. And there are very few places spending money. Like even here, you can't walk down the street and and spend money at restaurants. Like almost all of them are closed. Only a few of them are doing delivery. Um people aren't really traveling as much. So, there is no demand to there's not a lot of money going into the economy to really cause inflation right now. Um I just think at some point, give it a few years, eventually people got to return to normal again. They got to start spending money. And I think at that point uh we could see just the the dollar losing its value. I don't think it's going to be like, you know, Venezuela or anything like that, but I think it we could see just high inflation, and the Fed might go and raise interest rates to help calm that down. Who knows what's going to happen, but Yeah, everyone's very clueless right now. It's It's a guess. I mean, that's just a guess, and I'm sure you could guess a hundred times, and one of those will turn out to be correct. That's just what I think. I sort of It's funny. I think it happens with all the finance channels, but I sort of roll my eyes cuz I'll see like one of your videos where it's like, "Stock market is going up or crashing or whatever it is." And I'm just like, "Oh, like I cannot watch these videos cuz it's just like it all feels like I mean, it obviously is all speculation or whatever. No, so in my videos, I I almost never speculate. So, all of those videos are they take me like 10 hours to make. the thumbnail speculation. No, it's usually responding responding to a claim that an economist Yes. So, it'll say like, "Stock market's peaking," but it was an article that put that was like that. And then it's Graham's take on it. So, my video So, yes, my that as the as the That's the intro. Yeah, and then You have to. Because if I'm like, "Stock market's update Tuesday, January 7th," nobody will click on that. But if I reference an article saying, "The stock market is a bubble, exit now." Yeah. And you lead with that. First of all, that that gets people even to just click on it and watch. And it's crazy that people watch finance content. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But my goal is to to draw them to it. Yeah, but my goal is to always flip them around in the video. So, they're clicking into it with the expectation like, "Is the stock market going to collapse?" But then in the video, it's a well-researched perspective of what happened, what led up to this, and statistically what's likely to happen because of that, and what you should do. But it's never like panic or now the market is go and sell. Um but that's a way to lead people in to the point that gets them interested. And then when they're in it, you could give them just practical information that they could take away from. So, that's always been my go-to. But yeah, I I mean, definitely the titles and thumbnails like I you have especially for You got to watch say you are you are not you are not the worst by any means. You have you have really nice thumbnails that are compelling. Oh, jeez. The thumbnails, yeah. who have thumbnails that are basically like, "Three stocks you got to buy now." But they won't say you got to buy now. It'll be it'll be like a lot more vague like, "Three very lit stocks to check out." Yeah. "Three 10X stocks to buy today." Um so, you are more of a real estate guy, yeah? You would that would just be your expertise? I would say until recent, um I've really I felt like in a way I've done like everything I could in real estate for the most part. Like I've got to a point where I feel competent in it. Um It started to get repetitive for me, and now I've I've had so much fun with either just business in general or YouTube. That makes sense. And you you don't have that many properties, do you? You have like Eight? Eight. But they're LA properties. So, like one LA property could be, you know, five other properties. So, so that is one of the things that people look at me and be like, "Well, he only has eight, but I have 50." But often than my eight are when you look at a dollar amount, it's it's it's a significant amount just because it's LA. Yeah, that makes sense. Don't feel bad. I don't think it's impressive that they have a bunch of units in say, "Yeah, you know, Kalamazoo But I don't know. I've liked I've just liked the creative expression of I think business and YouTube. And just I love coming up with ideas, and so I'm valuing more now. Instead of getting money, it's I just want equity. Like that's and that's something that I think going forward in this year, it's like I I don't want the money anymore. I just want the equity. I want to take a chance on a company that I really believe in. If it turns out to be nothing, fine. But uh if it turns out to hit, great. But I'd rather stand behind just something that I really would use myself. So, you do all your business deals yourself? Yeah. Okay, you don't have any sort of brand manager or anything like that. No. Do you have a brand manager? Yeah. No. Uh kind of. Like part-time. So, they just present you with deals and you Occasionally, yeah. And you also if you get emailed directly from the company, you'll also negotiate that way. You won't send it to your brand manager. Uh no. You guys don't turn these into highlights, do you? No. We will once we hit 100,000 subscribers. We're at 90,000. We're going to hit it in like a few days. Is there a reason you guys are I feel like you would hit 100,000 a lot quicker than you have. Graham doesn't shout it out on his main channel. Okay. That's probably why. I feel like there are too many things for me to to mention, and I'm like I I mention the second Usually, I like I like them finding it more organically. I think that's exactly right. I've been doing the exact same thing for my Twitch channel. I That way you get the more most fervent people in your comment section to start. You lay a really good foundation, and then that's when the floodgates can open. them to the second channel, and on the second channel, he sends them here. So, there's there's a filter. The second channel, the people are so dedicated on there, but the podcast, I think our view to subscriber ratio is so high on the podcast. With 90,000 subscribers, the videos will usually get anywhere from 50 to like 250,000 views. So, like I like that ratio that more people are watching it than even subscribe. But the people who are subscribed are like the the the dedicated just He shouts it out at the end of like a 17-18 minute video like second [clears throat] channel. But even the conversion rate at the end. My theory is that the people who make it to the very end are most likely to actually So, like why waste a pitch pitching to someone who's just going to get aggravated. Like why is he pitching me? At the very end, at least they're more receptive to it, and those are the people most likely to do it anyway. So, it's like I'm not going to waste a pitch on someone who doesn't want to hear it. So, That's good. That's super valuable. I think that makes sense. Um Yeah, no. I'm very anti-sales uh when it comes to a lot of things. Like something like like the WeBull plugs, I'll do them just like tongue-in-cheek. Get your feet four free stocks. But it's like a funny sort of yeah, but I'll never be like really like seriously pitching. I just I don't like it just It irks me, especially in finance. Just like the finance guy trying to pitch you on something just has a bad connotation to it. So, I just avoid it. Um okay, so this is a question that I mean, I think a younger me would have for I think both of you. Uh It seems like a lot of what you guys do is very daunting at the start. Like the way you talk about real estate, it's just like second nature now. But obviously when you got started, I imagine it was a lot more daunting. It's crazy. Yeah. Is there a like I guess a method or like a a thought process that you had when you were younger that helped you like get past these like really daunting moments where it's like you you have the idea of getting into real estate. Like what is the next step? And like cuz I often feel like if I want to do something like that, I'll watch a YouTube video, and now I have 10 more questions about it. Yeah. Uh for me, it was really doing it firsthand. I had a really amazing teacher when I first started real estate. And this was just by random stroke of luck. People have heard the story a million times. Uh but when I was like turning 18 years old, I'd go to open houses every single Sunday. And I would just go and meet with real estate agents and ask their advice. And I I was basically just turned 18, like barely 18, walking in to like $5 million houses in Bel Air. Like I just went to the homes that were over like $3-4 million dollars. Cuz I figured if I'm going to sell real estate, I'm just going to sell the most expensive ones. And I talked to those agents. And after months of doing that, just one agent took me under his wing just by random luck. And uh basically said that you could come work underneath me. Uh whatever business you do, I will split 50/50, and uh just I'll I'll help you out with this. So, he had me doing just his all the grunt work that just like people wouldn't even want to get paid for. I did it for free cuz I just wanted to learn. But this was like going and setting up his open houses, putting open house signs, um dealing with a horrible just the worst his worst most difficult clients that were wasting time, he just sent me. Um cuz he didn't want to ruin that relationship with the client, but he knew they were just like wasting time. Um And so I just happened to get in through that. He was a great teacher, but I remember in the beginning, he showed me like escrow paperwork. And it's like this thick of just disclosures. And I'm like, "I have to know all of that." Like how do I fill out these forms? Took me probably like 2 years to really get good and like feel comfortable to like fill out my own form online without having somebody else review it. The thing the thing [clears throat] like you the way you described it at the start, it was like, "I just went to open houses." I feel like for a lot of people, that would that it would not be that easy. It wouldn't just be like, "I'll go to an open house and learn as much as I can, ears wide open." It's like Do you feel like you might be wired a little bit differently that wasn't too daunting? And even talking How old were you? Uh 18. 18? Yeah, being freshly 18, I would not feel remotely confident enough to walk into an open house, especially in Bel Air, and just start talking to like a real estate agent. I was weird. I don't know. I've always felt like an old soul. Like I've always felt like deep down I'm like 80 years old. Yeah. Um but like it's weird. I always felt like very socially awkward with people my age. But for some reason I could get along with people in their like 40s and 50s. Uh even as a kid I remember like my mom would take me to like like in in kindergarten whatever like first grade take me to these like play dates. I would not play with the other kids at all. Like I just would look at them and be like what are they doing? It's weird. I just Are you an only child? Yeah. Well, I have a half sister, but she's 18 years older than me. So I never really grew up with a sibling. Uh but I would just hang with the adults. Like I just never got what all the other kids were doing. Um then when I was like 13 I got a part-time job working at this marine aquarium wholesaler cuz I was really into aquariums. Oh, I've heard this story. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where I spent like I I through that weird phase of a few years like I really didn't have many friends. Mhm. And it was just like I just loved working. Like that would like I would hang out with people at work. Like we had this guy Andy. Um I don't know how old Andy was at the time maybe mid-30s or something. But like he really took me under his wing and like would go get lunch and talk like fish and aquariums and stuff like that. And you know our Chris. We'd have these great talks and Chris would teach me like how to talk on the phone to customers and like what to say and how to bag up the coral and the fish and when to put the heat packs in and the cool packs. It's So you were just all ears. You were just listening to what he was saying. I loved it. But I couldn't [clears throat] go and like hang out with kids my own age cuz it just it didn't click. Even now it's like I'd much rather like work than I would like go to a party or like it's I'm so weird in social settings like that. But like business I could zone in on that. Like I just love that. Have you gone to therapy or anything like that? Yeah. You have? Mhm. Do you think that's a valuable thing? Um I've never gone for therapy for that. Um just for just Oh yeah. Not I'm [clears throat] I'm sorry. Not [laughter] not necessarily for a thing. I mean that specifically that thing. I was just wondering like Just in general? Yeah. Yeah, I have. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A lot of that I think is trying to find like just balance cuz usually when I get into something I go like headfirst. Like it's all I want to do. Um but part of me is just like I just love it. So like is it a problem? Maybe. Um but like I love it so much that I feel like it would be taking away a portion of like who I am as a person if I didn't work so like I just love yeah. the way I see it is I think that what you are like the things that you like to do like lines up very much with like what our society has like deemed the right things to do or whatever. And you're just like oh yeah, I love like maximizing you know [laughter] value and all this sort of stuff and schmoozing with people 30 years Yeah. But I've been like that since I was a kid. Even like I got into collecting coins. My grandpa showed me his coin collection when I was like four or five. And and then what I would do is when my parents would come home they'd take the change and I'd look through like all the coins and I had this big book like this red it's like the red coin book or something. And I'd look at the pennies and the years and be like okay this penny's worth like 5 cents and this nickel this is a 1945 nickel. So it's like 90% silver. So I'm going to put this one aside. Like I'd keep those. Yeah, you're you're getting into it. fanatical. [laughter] Uh same with Pokémon cards. Like I got so into collecting. going to ask you about that. I noticed that you bought you bought a Logan Paul pack. I did. Yeah. was that? $11,111.11. Uh what what do you categorize that spending as? Terrifying. No, not terrifying. But where is that? Worst investment of your life? Do you call it an investment? Do you call it a shout-out? an investment for me. I looked at that from a very financial standpoint. Uh-huh. When I saw his video and I saw he had packs come up I'm like okay, I'm going to spend $11,000. What am I going to get back in return? Well, I could make a video on it. Just making a video on it I know kind of enough. Yeah. So that'll make the money back if I just make a video. But then I'm thinking well, I could make a video on anything and it would make the same amount of money. So now I'm really just spending $11,000 for a shout-out from Logan Paul. Well, that's not going to do much. Uh but then I'm going to spend $11,000 to make the connection. How much is that worth? And then I get the cards. So I really looked at this like the risk of buying and spending 11 grand was probably worth it knowing that I get to make a video get to network um and then I have the cards and then it's just interesting content. That makes sense. And yeah, pulled the Gyarados. So that made the money back. Yeah. Did you buy from Pokerev as well? Do you know who that is? Yeah, I did. Yeah. You Didn't you get the Gyarados from Pokerev? No. No? No. I I So Pokerev I bought a first edition Neo Genesis. And then it turned out to be a fake pack. That was Yeah. That was crazy. That was one of those very few live streams that I'm like glued to my phone. I'm like Oh my god. That was so cool. I was like man this guy should get more fake boxes cuz that's entertaining as hell. Yeah, I told him by the way. Um I don't know if I I guess we'll put it in. I told him to send it to uh to PSA to see if they would grade it and to see if they like couldn't detect this as a fake. Who knows? I I think he's going to do and just see. But if But if it comes back like graded then all the PSA cards I think are kind of worthless. That's really scary. There's no way they don't detect that. Yeah, I'm thinking about it and it's like that That's got to be part of their process cuz that would [ __ ] them. Yeah. Like It has to be. They're probably better at grading cards than the people how good the people are at creating fake cards. You know what I mean? I like how they stole that. It's a lot of I mean that was a lot of work making those fake cards cuz they were close. I know. Yeah. So we'll see. can't do things like the rip test and stuff [laughter] like that. Imagine just ripping it and then putting tape together. Yeah. But But yeah, thankfully the Logan Paul thing really worked out. Pulled the Gyarados. Made my money back on that. And then I put the other cards on eBay. And I used all those proceeds to donate towards NAMI. Oh, cool. Yeah. a Leonhart organization or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so exactly. So my plan was just at least at the very like the worst case scenario I could donate a good chunk of that back to charity. Uh so did that. Uh met Logan Paul. He's a really nice. And um gosh what's that? And then that's led me to so many other connections. Like we met Gary King Pokémon. Mhm. Uh we got an amazing uh it just connection through him. Learned a lot about Pokémon. He introduced us to Steve Aoki. Um and just you never know where these things might lead. So I'd say for $11,000 that was money really well spent. And even if I pulled nothing the Logan Paul video did really well. Yeah. So Yeah, that's a good gamble to take. It's just like the idea of like video pays it off okay everything extra is going on. I'll tell you the only bad investment that I that made me hesitant about this was I spent $8,000 on Tesla full self-driving just so that I could make a video on it. And I asked them ahead of them I'm like is there any way I could get this like sponsored? No. Is there any way I could get a discount on it? No. But it's full self-driving. Not worth it. What? Yeah. Yeah. It's still in beta mode. It's beta. Yeah. It's not the greatest. Oh yeah, but you're going to you're going to still have it once they get it better. Yeah, that's true. But I spent 8 grand on this and the video bombed. It was one of my worst performing videos and I think it I think it made 2 grand back. I would have never had used it. I didn't need it. Mhm. It's right now it's it's not that cool. So I keep looking at that video I'm like that was a waste of of money. But you never Sometimes they hit and sometimes they don't. One thing that I want to mention to address your question as well because I think I'm in a little bit of a different situation than Graham. Like I didn't find myself inherently drawn to investing or anything like that. Although I've been investing now for over 10 years. Which sounds fishy cuz I'm only 22. Right. But interestingly enough like some events that happened when I was really young like 10 11 kind of forced me to start investing. So I actually started investing at a really young age and I wouldn't say that like I would have I would not say that naturally I would have involved myself investing in investing if this hadn't happened. Yeah. But it was just because of like my parents they are like really into investing or my dad is and he would tell me all about it. And I think that led to me like kind of having an easier in to investing. And I would say if that wasn't for there I don't think I would have naturally been drawn to it. Right. That makes sense. Wait, so you were investing when you were how old? 11. 11? birthday. Yeah, what what was your first like thing you did? Uh I think I bought Apple. Yeah. Yeah, it's Yeah. Yeah. That's probably a good time, huh? Yeah. That's awesome. But that that's like to to show that like maybe not everyone is like inherently Right. interested in investing. But there's external things that can kind of lead you to want to invest. Which is what I hope that like Graham's channel has done for a lot of people and I bet it has. That's a great point. I totally agree with that. I think it I I mean I think a lot of people are that way. You know, you could teach them how to do it. And you get more excited as you go along with it. For sure. Yeah, I've definitely been that way over the you know past 5 years. I've been you know like before that I was just kind of you know trying to get a day job kind of thing. And it's like that's going to be the income. And then now that you have the day job it's like figure out what to do with your extra money. Yeah. Like I I get all my friends none of them are interested in finance. It was always me just talking with my dad. And I try to get them to invest. But you know they're not working like crazy jobs or anything. And they're so scared to do it. And I I'm like wow I never had to deal with that because like I was just forced into it. I can't even remember what it was like to make my first investment. Like that was just just I was so lucky. That's really all it came down to was just luck to be honest. Show them Wall Street bets. Are you on there? I've heard a lot about that. I don't know. Like it it just sounds like it's mostly memes. Like A lot of memes, but some of these stock like GameStop was one of their recent calls. And uh they've probably I don't know 6Xed that price of GameStop. Wait, so people are like seriously just like following the subreddit and just being like whatever they say I'm putting money in. Do they give like the original poster do they give like a solid breakdown for the No. So what ends up happening is that someone will post what's known as like DD, due diligence, and they'll come up with these like just crazy things of just saying like this is in a short squeeze and this is about the come up. And then what ends up happening is you start getting these memes that get made. And the more popular it is the more people buy into it which causes the price to rise up. And then as the price is rising up then people post their gains. Mhm. And then you see people like and then more people buy it and it keeps driving up the price. GameStop was one of those. There's been quite a few. Previously it was Tesla. And people have started making these bots that will comb the algorithm that will comb the subreddit and pick up how many times certain stocks are mentioned and it'll it'll come up with a list of just like the top most talked about stocks last like 24 hours and then you could trade based off that. It's But when you have a community of like two three million people who all are following like the same stocks they do have an impact on the market at least short term. I think long term no. But I think over the next like week or two they can. But also some of these just lose money. A lot of them lose money or if you don't time it right. I mean it's really gambling. Everything is Hail Mary. It's just like I'll put my life savings into like some call option. But it's really entertaining. Yeah, not going to lie. The community is actually that jokes are funny. Yeah, I follow it really closely because they not only do they actually post like good information but some of the like the the loopholes they find like they found the Robinhood infinite money loophole. And they like found this glitch in Robinhood before it was like even a thing. And [snorts] then just everyone exploited it right afterwards. Like and Robinhood was trying to like fix these these exploits that WallStreetBets had figured out. And so they're the the ultimate test for some of these brokerages. Like if you could survive this you're good. It's crazy the power that WallStreetBets has. And now Robinhood has more users than TD Ameritrade. And you know like all the Robinhood people are like the WallStreetBet people. And whenever they say something just pump up the stock. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we're definitely I feel like move markets, dude. But if we're just in the beginning of this whole fintech thing I just think this is fintech is going to be I think at some point like the green energy is becoming now. I think I think it's already going in that direction but I think personal finance is going to be trendy. Saving money is going to be trendy. Investing is going to be cool. Like look at all the high schoolers they get to invest their money. Like I think at some point maybe it's just like some dystopian idea that I have but that I would like to see but I just think like middle schoolers will look up to the high school and be like oh look they're trading on Robinhood. Look how cool that I think it I think it'll be like that one day. It could be that but the culture has to change though. It's like is. Yeah, really. It's like a consumerism No, I think we're we're No, the savings rate lately has been going up and this is spend it. Before then the last few years the savings rate has increased and I think just people are getting more thrifty. I think just we went through a horrible time where millennials graduated with a lot of debt just got saddled with a crap job market and they really had to take matters into their own hands. So I think now people are really realizing the importance of personal finance. It could happen. I just feel like it's it's leveraged more toward the older crowd in general because you everyone's an idiot who's like under 18. So I don't feel like not Yeah, sure. Yeah. I just feel in general it's like always going to be an old person's game. Maybe. I don't know. Older. Maybe. What's your opinion on people going straight into like investing and stuff like that and it being scary? Oh, yeah. Like it really is. It's weird I kind of relate to your sentiment about like getting into it early where you had this role model of your dad who like didn't wasn't fearful about it and wasn't like oh be careful or whatever. I mean maybe he was to an extent. Okay. But it just it instills a level of confidence that you need to start investing to make these decisions cuz I like I'll sit on TD Ameritrade's website and just like ponder decision like for hours and just be like should I be doing this? Like I don't know. And it's just like it's completely fine like even if I was putting into an index or whatever. Like it's totally fine. I just I'm afraid to even transfer money often times cuz it's like I what if it gets lost in between paranoid about the same thing too. At the same thing. I will always transfer five or ten dollars first even though I know the account's linked just to make sure it goes through and then I'm like okay now I can do the rest. All the time. I actually had it happen once before. I transferred a hundred thousand dollars like a hundred fifty grand from Bank of America to it was like a Chase or something like that. The wire was lost. I kid you not. It was the scariest moment of my life. A hundred and fifty grand. And I forget what it was but there was like something that wasn't correct and I forget if it was on Bank of America's part or like I oh I I mixed up the account number and the routing number. Like something something like that got mixed up and it got sent to the wrong spot. Try reaching someone at Bank of America. Try it. You can't do I was on the hold for like two hours trying to reach somebody in the wire department. And then by the time I reached them the department was closed. And then I had to call them back the next day and try to trace down this wire. And it was it was gut wrenching but like five days later the money showed back in the account cuz they told me like we we can't do anything cuz it's it's out of our hands. So they So the only thing we could do is wait for it to get rejected and then it's going to come back. Wow. Just wait for it to be rejected which took days. Horrible. Horrible. I I just mentally I was such in such a bad mood. But it's scary. So since then I will never send a wire with Bank of America ever again. I will only do ACH transfers. For some reason I find that to be just safer. Yeah, scary stuff. I think the idea and Graham and I have talked about this before but the idea of losing money is scarier than like being happy to make money. You know what I mean? Like there's a bigger difference. Yeah. You work for your money. And people just don't have that certainty like in investing in the market that they will get good returns. Right. I try to like tell myself and Anissa and even my parents like hey look at the like S&P. Like that just kind of has been doing that sort of thing like seems pretty like if you were within that period of time like it's it's all gravy. So I'm like trying to like instill some confidence saying like yeah this stuff is okay. Legit, yeah. It's not you know it's not going to explode. pyramid scheme. What's Anissa's view on personal finance investing? Do you guys do you guys talk about like finances and We try to talk about it a little bit. It's she's less into it than I am obviously. Like I kind of have a flare for it like you do where it's just like I'm spending my free time looking at stuff. Yeah. Um but I you know I'd say more average. Like she's like and your average maybe one of your viewers. I don't know. No, your viewers are actually a little bit crazier I think. Viewers are probably above average. Yeah. Yeah. So like imagine you watching just minus 50%. Yeah. So don't don't don't don't invest as much. Don't save as much. And I I I think she's just in general more focused on living like a happy life like realizing at what point like the money is like good to live your life and like not going beyond that sort of thing. Like cuz there's really like in her in her mind there's no point in like chasing a bigger bank. Mhm. And you think that's affected you because during the interview you said that like a hundred thousand you kind of Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I feel the same. So you naturally feel the same. It wasn't an effect of hers. Um oh she's had an influence on me for sure. It's just like it's something I've thought about. I've heard that like stat before. I think it I think it's like two different levels based on the study like maybe 60 or 70 thousand is like Yeah, it's diminishing like happiness returns Yeah. I just don't I don't [clears throat] know how I don't want to say like I don't know how true that is but valid. And a perfect example is this. Like when I looked at how much before coming over here how much I spent for the year and it was like 40 thousand. I'm like man I'm doing a [clears throat] lot of crazy in the year. Like I've only spent 40 thousand. Like and that's that's including everything. That's like my mortgage and all that. I'm like this is crazy. If I was on a you know a like a pretty nice salary of like I don't know 80 thousand I'd be like living no differently really. I think all that this allows me to do like having the big bank account is to not give a [ __ ] and do these crazy investments and be like oh I'll still be fine. I'll still be fine. Little rich getting richer sort of thing. Um but yeah I think once you once you hit that threshold like where you you're going to be different but I think once you can start saying like yeah just throw the you know pasta sauce in the uh in the uh shopping cart. Like I don't care what price it is. It's all roughly the same. Two two to ten dollars or whatever. powerful I think. Yeah, I mean it's it's one of those things I feel like if you can do that that's like about as good as it's ever going to get. You know? I don't think everyone should like use that as their barometer like like Bill Gates on The Price Is Right like not knowing what normal things cost. It's still I think good to have an idea of what money's doing but I think to not stress about these little things is exactly what you like exactly the benefit you get from having that big cushion. I agree. I would say I'm no I'm no happier now than I was maybe eight years ago. But it just having the means not to necessarily let I I will I do let the money dictate a lot of things like a restaurants for example like I will I don't look at what the item is I'll look at what the price is first. Oh. And then I'll decide what to eat based on like this is 14 but that's 18. Let me do the $14 one. And then I'll see what else is 14 and I'll pick based on that. Wow. it's nice more of a game for you though I think. Yeah but It's not even necessarily like you don't think you can afford that it's more like I'm going to It just seems wasteful. choose the value option. It seems wasteful. I don't know what it is it just seems wasteful. someone's uh wage. That's why I love the DoorDash and stuff so much it's like $3 tip $5 tip there and it it doesn't feel like anything to me. But some of that could be passed on with the cost. Like a steak would cost more than let's say a salad so maybe the profit margin on the salad is actually higher for less money than the steak. it [laughter] could be. So then Yeah. Sometimes they make less money on the more expensive items. Yeah yeah. So I get what you're saying but uh but yeah. I just think you're in a position where you could it's not I don't think of it as like splurging think of it as you putting like uh more money into things that you enjoy in a like a practical way rather than necessarily like investing. Yeah. The only thing that I well two things I bought myself a piano that was a big thing. That piano is in the shooting the picture and an aquarium. Yeah. So that's getting built in February. So that the aquarium is something I'm looking forward to the most. Is that like a salt water aquarium? Salt water three It turned out so it was originally going to start at like 150 gallons then it went to 250 and then went to 305 gallons. What wait why did it keep going up? Uh When I looked at the size of it originally it was going to be 5 ft long and I'm like well it 6 ft long looks better. Yeah it's not going to make Yeah [clears throat] exactly. You're going to have to maintain it either way so it's like And then it's like when you get depth to the aquarium when you look at it and you want the rock work in the in the center then it's important to be 33 in instead of 28 cuz getting that extra few inches is really going to make it look just a lot more natural. And then the height 29 in high. So Yeah. I do have a question for you Ian. It seems like you're more excited about investing your money than you are about scaling your income. Because you said like it doesn't matter after a certain amount but for some reason you see really you seem really fixated on investing and stuff like that. Yeah uh it's just something that I haven't like really done and I think I'm sort of like uh really wide-eyed about it right now because all my investments are doing well so it's like that is obviously like encouraging me quite a bit um but I I still think there's just a lot of general stuff to learn and um I just I think I eventually want to either share the information with other people people friends and family to maybe help them if they're in a like a different position. I don't Yeah I genuinely don't feel like I'm earning uh um Like you could be making more doing YouTube videos than you could like Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah definitely. Uh that's okay I see what you're saying. You're saying like I I could make a lot more if I just invested more time on the YouTube stuff and scaling up and making a business. Yeah. Yeah probably if you look at just the numbers probably make more money just scaling up the channel like just double down on that. Yeah. I'm certain on that. I'm Oh yeah. Um Yeah I don't I don't know what it is. I just don't like um I just feel like I've made enough on there you know what I mean? I like that. That's so that's cool. Yeah. What flipped? Did you get to a point where you're just like all right I've kind of done it? Um Did it get repetitive? What No I mean Yeah. I think Graham you're making it sound like I'm quitting YouTube [laughter] or something right? Like I'm not quitting that I really enjoy that a lot. The like drive for the um money it's just like I'm I'm realizing that there are other ways to earn money so it it's really encouraging to me that I could maybe make whatever I want on YouTube without having to worry about the money ramifications and get like a you know source of income from somewhere else because I'm mainly I think worried about just like YouTube my YouTube either you know losing a viewership or just ad rates going down or whatever being poor and just being like I could keep doing it. Yeah. How monetizable are you on YouTube? Like what's your CPM? I I don't know to be honest. It it You don't know? No. How much do you check this on a daily man? Can we check your analytics? Yeah yeah. Oh wow. Oh my gosh. We ask all of our guests. This is exciting. Do do do people usually Yeah everyone does. This is it I don't know what you want to see here. I want to see the real time What do you think about that? [laughter] What happened there? You lost 10,000 subscribers in 28 days. Yeah yeah. That's uh that's just been a slow grind. I'm like purging a lot of people from my audience I think with my uh Oh it was from I think it's it's a carryover from m- me and my girlfriend announcing her OnlyFans. Mm. And there were a lot of fans who were really disappointed about that. So dumb. So they've just been like just every month there's just like a new group who's like he's changed. Oh jeez okay. Can you click up there and then click go to analytics? I want to see this. Okay so your real time views are 560,000. And then you can click on that. And then uh right here. Yeah go to go to like 90. Fair enough when you post there's a big spike but you do have consistent views overall. In the last 90 days 28 million. Yeah yeah. I don't look at Why? It's just meaningless. But it's not though. When you when you start going digging into this this is basically how you make it on you like this this is what we pay all the attention to. Okay so your CPM is $6.50 meaning that your RPM is about 325 which is I will say one of the lowest that we've seen. It's Yes. I will Will you say that's the lowest? Probably. Either that or Michael Reeves and I'm guessing it's just due to the the swearing. Yeah. Interesting. I think we got our information we needed. Yeah. very much that was insightful. wait let me show you my audience. Look at Is that 89.4% male? So. Yeah. Let me see. Um what about Yeah let's see geographies okay. So yours is actually a pretty marketable audience. You want over 50% from the United States and they'll give you high CPMs and sponsorships. audience is growing 14% female. Hell yeah. Yeah. Nice. Well like most of the audience just on YouTube is male disproportionately male. Right. Oh that makes sense. by a lot so factor that in definitely. Yeah. I like it. Your analytics are actually really good. They're very good. Thanks man. And you don't post that much it's impressive. Well okay so Graham you were saying I I am under the impression Let me let me rephrase what I said before. I don't think it's completely useless information. I think it's good from like a very kind of pulled out macro perspective of like okay where are things headed? It's good to check in maybe every couple of months or something like that. That's where I'm that's where I'm at with it. Okay. To us this is as micro as you could get. We and this to me that's your blueprint to everything on YouTube. It's interesting how some YouTubers are crazy about their analytics and some just aren't. Yeah. If you enjoy it like you guys obviously enjoy it you know. To us it's a game of like chess. It's like trying to match with the algorithm be like what is it going to like what's going to hit. It feels so good when like everything lines up and it just hits. Um Yeah I I agree. I think maybe the way that I'm different is I only like playing the game when I feel like playing it rather than saying like every time I upload it needs to be like uh you know I need to like monitor the the metrics of it or whatever. Sure. Um Like Neil O'Brien. Yeah. But Neil O'Brien Neil O'Brien is very much like that yeah. Very lax about the YouTube channel but they do so well. But he's doing so well. I think they're I mean it's one of those things where it's just I mean it's the difference between getting a B+ and an A But since you do only post when you really feel inspired to maybe the content that you do put out like is just overall better because you don't feel forced to continuously put out content. I was also thinking there's a bit of that. I think part of the reason I don't put out as much is because people are more willing they're not inundated with me. Um there's a lot of channels that are like I need to post every day and I know my reaction to a lot of those channels is I don't watch your because I can't keep up with it or I've seen way too much of you so I try to put myself out in like small spurts. It's one of the reasons I didn't want to like do live streaming for a long time cuz I didn't want to put myself out there that frequently because I don't want people to get tired of what I have to say. I feel like that. Yeah. I yeah. I get nervous about that since we are posting daily you know. I've enjoyed it but it's different audiences. It's between three channels. I mean it's a different game. There are some people I mean Yeah it's different for every channel. I think you you can do it more because you actually have like content to give to people. Like you have like you're looking over things you're reviewing things. Newsy. When you're reviewing stuff like I would feel comfortable like doing it all the time if I was reviewing stuff it wasn't necessarily about me all the time and it wasn't me focused. A lot of it is pretty like me focused. I don't know. I feel like with you you're someone I'm I'm jealous of in the sense that you could talk about anything and I would watch it like anything. And I've always wanted to get to that point where I could talk about like this candle here and and people would want to hear me talk about the candle. Your save the squirrels initiative. I seen basically all of your squirrel videos. I don't know why it's just really entertaining and just you talking about catching the black squirrel. Or like the one squirrel that like peanut That was one of my favorite videos by the way. So good. Seriously one of my favorites. That's so weird to me. I don't get that. [laughter] How did you come up with that idea? I was just so amazed that you made it entertaining. Which was like for me entertaining [laughter] in itself. That's what I'm talking about. You could talk about anything and everyone would just watch because it it's it's I think it's more about you than it is the content at this point. Right. Yeah, I think you might have a point. It's hard for me to like self-reflect on it and like really figure it out. I think the only thing I've like grabbed onto is like infrequent posting. I feel like that's like kind of the only measurable metric I can It's like Michael Reeves. He posts once every like two three months, you know? And it's like whenever he puts out a video, like I'm so excited. Yeah, you're kind of starved for And if he did it, you know, every week then I'd I'd probably miss a few, you know? His videos are so intricate. He couldn't really do in my like I don't know if he could do a team he could. Like there are ways he could do it. But I'm talking about a sit-down video. Like his videos I watch because they're so just like I can't believe he just did that or made that. Like that's genius and it's funny. Um I don't think I've seen him just do a sit-down. Like just a straight sit-down talk. No, definitely not. No. So that's why Michael Reeves I feel like he can only put like even if he worked 24/7 like I feel like maybe he could post like every other week with what he's done. Maybe. I do have a question Ian. Um Graham tells me that he thinks it's good and he encourages me to have an Insta story running 24/7. [snorts] I completely disagree. And I post on my Instagram maybe once every three weeks. And I post on my like feed once every month at the most. And Graham says you got to have it constantly running to engage people. But I think like I get so sick when people have their feed running all the time because I feel like I'm drowning in it, you know? And I like I don't know. It's going to depend for the type of consumer I think. I think there are some people who like are really like on it and engage. I try to think from like like I'm the only person who like like I like I just base it off of like what I feel about these like Insta You're saying Instagram stories? Yeah. Okay. So like there are people whose Instagram stories who are like so long and I hate those. It's all little Yeah, little dots. You go through it and swipe through. Yeah, I don't do that. Right. But I mean there are people who are on there every day, but it's like it's kind of it just depends on who you're going for. Like I find it a treat. I follow PewDiePie on Instagram. And it's kind of a treat to see what he's up to occasionally. If he was doing something every day, it wouldn't be very like special. Yeah. So it's it's tough. I don't like have great judgment for people who like but that that's another thing is like PewDiePie isn't my bread and butter on Instagram stories, right? Like there are other people who I will check up on more regularly and see what they're doing. But it's it's hard. Just depends on what type of viewer you are. There are like gaming channels that I watch to get, you know, 20,000 views per video and it's like uh uh Well, now I'm struggling because I don't want to underestimate the amount of views they [laughter] get and say, "Oh, it's this channel." No, but I watch a lot of Hearthstone streamers. So Kripparian? Kripparian? Yes. Uh uh Disguised Toast? Yes. Those were the guys I used to watch back in the day all the time. I love Hearthstone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I play a lot of Hearthstone Battlegrounds. Um and so I watch their stuff when I'm like falling asleep at night, but that's like daily. They get like a lot of watch time for me. And but I like I'm not that's to kill the time basically. I'm not going to their channel saying like, "What's next Kripparian video to watch?" It's just kind of like you know I know he's uploaded something today. Like he uploads twice a day or whatever it is. Makes sense. See, I told Jack like like we you know how we talked about that filter where it goes main channel, second channel, podcast. Take from the podcast and like the Jack is the last in the line. So the people who follow Jack on Instagram are like the people that will do anything. Jack says jump and they say how high. Yeah. But I told I told Jack it would be a fun idea to post editing clips. Like as he's editing the second channel, just always have a clip running where people could tune in and see the behind the scenes of just like what's the next video you're working on or just seeing little things like that I think are fun. And when you always have a story running, I've noticed Instagram tends to prioritize your stories above everybody else. The more engagement your stories get, the further up you show on the list. So Is that how that works? Generally. Interesting. You don't post that much. No. Instagram ever. Instagram sucks, dude. I hate Instagram. Why? It's just boring. There's like nothing on there for me. I saw you have TikTok. Dude, I saw you when you had like a couple like literally so few followers. Do you still have few followers? Oh, that's funny, dude. still have few followers? Yeah, I have like maybe a thousand. Yeah, dude I saw you when you had like No, I literally thought I saw you when you had double digit followers. And I was like What? That's funny. How is Ian on here? And there were comments saying like did we just find Ian's TikTok with like 20 followers? Yeah. It's you ain't going to find it. The traditional way. Your name is so weird. It's I think it's happy grooky. Happy what? Uh grooky. How do you spell it? G R O O K Y 99? Are you happy that you like are small on there? Yeah, it well it's the same logic with Twitch or whatever. It's just like only the hyper fans or people who are like really like paying attention will find it. I yeah, I just made that. I made a stupid TikTok at the time. I've been on TikTok for almost since it's been around basically. And I finally like last year made the account and I just hadn't told anyone about it. I was like, "Oh yeah, like I have like three videos now which is nothing. But it is really funny to see people either coming from Anisa's channel or like just randomly coming across it." excited. Like when I found it I was like, "I found it." Yeah, [laughter] it's a secret account. Find gold. How did you find it? Dude, it something Dax. Yeah, it was Dax. I I I reacted or I dueted one of Dax's videos. Uh Dax was like reacted to this video um and he was like telling a joke. He was like, "I want to test out this joke to see if it's any good." Yeah. [laughter] And you like or something? That's funny. Yeah. It was just yeah. Dax's TikTok is really Dax's TikToks are probably my favorite. They're so funny. Yeah. I have a hard time getting into TikTok. I need to post. Dude, TikTok's awesome. You would do really well on TikTok. He has. He has one video with like over 10 million views. Why wouldn't you just grinding on that? I didn't like it. Money man. Yeah. That's where the money is. Oh, and if you get big enough they have the creator fund. I'm a part of the creator fund. Okay. Uh 17 million views on that video. What you do? What you talk about? money I made on YouTube. Oh, okay. It was a pretty easy video to make. It was it was a one minute video. Ryan Paneda who's on the podcast told me that if I made that video it's going to get a million views. And I'm like, "Okay, fine. I'll make the video and we'll see how it does." Uh it got I think like 14 million views in like two days. And I had so many people reach out to me because of that TikTok. I was shocked. Yeah. It's like a whole new audience. Yeah. But just people who are like the the vlog squad was so like they they saw that TikTok. I was like, "What?" But they knew me not from YouTube but from the TikTok. I was blown away. But I'll show you how much I made. This is the first time I think I'm revealing my Yes. TikTok revenue. It's going to blow your brains. So here's how much I made yesterday. Oh wait, here. Is this it? So I made 32 cents on the 16 view dashboard. Okay. So so far I made $737. And I make between Livable. 30 [laughter] and 63 cents a day. That's so weird. How much money do they have to give away to people? I think that's such a bizarre thing. Like four cents a day. was taken off, that one day I made $216. That's great. I think was on 7 million views that day. Some something absurd. What's you guys's take on like uh YouTube Premium? I like it cuz you can close your phone. Yeah. You can lock your phone. That's the best part. Uh American Express offered a streaming credit. So I used that credit for YouTube Premium. Worth it. Actually, I really like it. Um yeah. Also for the uh ads? The Yeah, the what what you get from you viewers watching your stuff with YouTube Premium. I don't know. I I I've YouTube Premium is really That's maybe like 3%. Is it YouTube Premium? With me it's like closer to half. Wow. Yeah. Makes sense. I'm super into it for that reason cuz I'm like, "Oh yeah, why wouldn't any everyone promote YouTube Premium?" But why didn't why couldn't you just do the creator uh the what what is it? The monthly subscription? The creator thing? What's it called? Memberships. Memberships. Uh because you have to offer something with memberships. don't. I mean you don't, but you probably should. Little icons. I have icons. People Wait, you don't even stream on YouTube and you make people Yes, I force people. I force people. Icons when they comment. Oh wait, they get icons when they comment? Yeah. We have such an active audience. They could use those icons even when they're not live streaming? Only in for my videos. Well, no. Yeah, yeah. Just they comment on one of my videos and they get an icon. Pretty awesome. And for people who Okay, icons are good. The thing is for people who want to stand out in the comment section, if you're scrolling you're more likely to be in the comments it's like a little lotus emoji next to it. yeah. I like that. Okay, I might I might do that. That's cool. So, people like it just for the icon. else other than the icons? No. Man, they need to make that more compelling. Cuz that's they they need to offer more because I feel like they could be could? Yeah. Well, I could. Um but like that that's just for what it For if you want the icons, it's there. If they don't. If they don't, then so be it, but like everyone would make more money because like like the YouTuber doesn't want to add more responsibility on their already busy schedule. So, if you can add like a default thing that just happens, like that is rad. Yeah, the issue with with that what I see I think YouTube takes like 45% of it. That's the only negative aspect of it uh because otherwise you just go to like Patreon or something. Um or you start an OnlyFans. Yeah, I could do that. you thought about that? I I have genuinely considered that, yeah, yeah. What would you post on there? Uh man, just wagging my around, I don't know. [laughter] Would you actually? I'm not I'm not saying I'm not saying that's what I'm saying. I'm just curious. Yeah, I mean again, I'm not I made my position on it pretty clear. Like I'm not opposed to it at all. Like I don't It's one of those things that doesn't particularly interest me. If I had like an intro I've since my girlfriend has done it, I've like started to like look into the app more and see how it works and I'm like more interested in that scene in general. Uh-huh. There's like a lot of money to be made. Oh jeez, yeah. You've been working out a lot, haven't you? Thanks for noticing, dude. You know. Yeah, yeah, I've been lifting. Yeah. So, I feel like you could be a pretty hot topic on the app. A hot commodity on OnlyFans, yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. man. What if your girlfriend [laughter] gets jealous that you're on the app? earn more than her. Yeah, I mean I mean that's a possibility. then all of a sudden there's [laughter] tension in the relationship. You really would. Thanks, dude. I think I might. I think I might do it. It'd be funny if you could, yeah. Cosplay like like fireman, like put your foot on a stump or whatever [laughter] and like Or the content got police officer, man. No, we're just eating ice Yeah, yeah, exactly. like moisturizer and put it in your hand like that's the whole video. It's just random stuff. You would do so well. I I I I've I've seen actually seen a lot of joke OnlyFans and they like creators have really leveraged like a lot of really just like essentially jokes and they've taken it pretty far on there. I would buy it. Yeah. For the right price, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of people who do it for free and that's like a that's another reason I like OnlyFans is cuz like you can choose your monetization model. There's a ton of girls who are just like my OnlyFans is free. I'll occasionally post a picture or video that is paid. So, like you can look at the preview or whatever it is and pay for that. And there are some that they just do the monthly subscription. I would do it. And I'm telling you OnlyFans is such a big business. We know somebody who is managing some of the girls on OnlyFans and they're pulling in two to 500,000 a month. Yeah. And that's the and they're not like even like the top ones. Like I I I love the Belle Delphine interview, but like I bet she's probably doing about 2 million a month. Uh-huh. from OnlyFans. Did you interview Belle Delphine? No. Oh, what do you mean by Belle Delphine? Oh, the She was on Impulsive. Oh, okay, I get it. Yeah. Uh but yeah, but to make two to 500,000 a month it's just yeah. Yeah. It's insane. I don't know how long it's going to last, but it'll last a while. I think it's here to stay. When you look into it and you realize how like horrendous the porn industry is and it's just like oh, this is like long time coming. Like women and men needed to they needed a way to make their own money. If they're going to get exploited to that extent, like They may as well control it, yeah. it. Like they need that money. So, there's just like so many nasty predatory people out there who, you know, I don't know. It's just it's a a really bad scene that needed to be disrupted. So, it's really good that it did. So, I think you're next. Yes. You, Graham, you guys could do like a joint Get oiled up. wrestle Yeah. Yes. You know, people would pay a lot of money for that. That's a damn good idea. what? If Logan Paul is going to like fight Mayweather, like at least we could do that. Oh, yeah. HBO [laughter] just put that on the HBO pay-per-view, like $90. Yeah. That'd do well. Man. right price, I mean for the right Yeah. Graham is selling Sponsored by Weebl, probably. Oh, yeah, I am selling bath water. What? Yeah. And the the funny thing is he's not selling a cup, he's selling a gallon. That is crazy. How are you going to ship out a gallon? And you're actually giving like the water a purpose. Like you can actually do stuff with a gallon. that on my my merch store. It's $5,000. You can like I just put it up there just just for jokes, but if someone actually buys it, I'll do it. Yeah, yeah. So, it's five grand. Until they realize that you were serious and you took their money after them clicking proceed to checkout. checked out, I would take their money, but I would actually give them what they purchased. [laughter] It's a gallon. I would actually do it. Yeah, speaking of which, there's a guy who offered how much like 10 grand to pie me in the face? What happened to that? I don't know. He just hasn't really followed up to All right, we got to follow up with him. I said someone could pie me in the face $10,000 to charity. Yeah. Come here, pie me in the face, 10 grand, put it to charity. That's a great one. Yeah. I do have a question about Dax. And in that Whoops, sorry. In that documentary in that documentary, it was really interesting cuz I feel like I learned a lot about you instead of Dax. Awesome. That's great to hear. When you went out in public, you weren't how I imagined you would have been because you seemed like nervous or a little like anxious even in public, which isn't what I would have expected. Yeah, so you'll notice that in videos in the past, like the Leafy content cop, even the Tina Moju one, like I I'm not exactly that same way and it's pretty much like the character thing. Like I'm able to get in a mindset. I'm able to put you know, put on a little bit of a mask and be a little bit more exuberant cuz I know I'm getting paid for it. I'm doing a job. I'm completing a task. Whereas in that moment, I'm like this is Dax's thing and like I'm not I didn't plan on doing it. I don't plan on interviewing people about smoothies. Yeah. I was so detached. Like it's not me. So, like I think Dax has and Dax's mindset was exactly the same. When I asked him, "How do you do this? How do you just go up to people and be so awkward?" He's [snorts] like um like it's a lot easier like knowing you guys are filming. And it's like, "Oh, like you would have a harder time doing this if we weren't." He's like, "Yeah, we wouldn't really do this." It's true. It'd be the same with me. If I were filming, I'd have no problem with it, but if if it's just me alone, I couldn't do it. Yeah, exactly. So, that's what it comes down to. So, you think how you acted in that situation was more reflective of your personality. Oh, absolutely, yes. That's so interesting. was feeling I I don't know how much of Dax we showed in that, him like pep talking me, but he he like there were some really cringe moments where I was like trying to go up to people and Dax like, you know, kept like really encouraging like you could do it, man. Like it's just easy. You just go up and ask them if they'd watch a YouTube show about smoothies or whatever. Yeah. And yeah, that was so funny. Like this guy's I don't Do you know who he is or whatever? He has 7 million subscribers. Dude, that was so funny. Yeah. You should have shown those pep talks. Yeah, it some of them it was a little bit iffy because in the field we had lab mics and they were not great. There was a lot of interference. So, we had a lot of footage actually on Hollywood Boulevard, but with so much stuff going on there, like even just 10 ft away, there was already too much static and too much noise. It just kept cutting out. That's too bad. the scenes stuff, Patreon that. Oh, yes. OnlyFans it. I would love to see it. Graham would love to see it. I like the idea of merging like behind the scenes and OnlyFans content. Don't let anything you want on there. Don't let anything go to waste. At all. Everything that you own should be I think you would get a better split on OnlyFans than you would Patreon. Wow. Probably. Patreon is a little steep. Doesn't OnlyFans take like 20 It's like 20%, yeah. What is Patreon? Do you know? I don't know. Yeah. I think it's a little more. I think it's closer to 30. Yeah. Damn. All right, I feel like we've gone for It Is there anything else you want to talk about? Anything Um no, I think I'm good. We could go as long as you want. Okay. Can we get a minute take on a couple subjects that I just want your opinion on? rapid fire. Cameo. Uh don't like it. I'm never going to do a Cameo, but it's a great new alternative source of income for a lot of people who have been canceled. Uh money [laughter] I'm on Cameo. Money gurus. Uh Um some of them are good, some of them are bad. If they want to sell you a course, probably bad. That's about it. Logan Paul. Uh seems like a nice guy. Probably would be really intimidated by my stature if he were to ever meet me and I don't blame him. Uh who else? Uh FaZe Rug. Uh I didn't give you much there. Yeah, I don't know what I would say. MrBeast. MrBeast. MrBeast, yeah. Uh he's everywhere. That's a that's a great response. Anything else? I feel like we we we got a great resource. I think we're good. There's nothing else you want to mention? No, I think we're Okay, cool. All right. Cool. Uh which camera you going to look in? That one. Let me look. Yeah. It's so bright. It's so bright here. Well, guys, thank you so much for watching. I really appreciate it. And Ian, thank you so much for coming on and talking to us for like over 2 hours. This is one of the longer episodes that we've done. It was worth it, but this has been so much fun. Next Ice Coffee Hour podcast, I'm going to make a bold prediction. It's going to be $56,000 made on the podcast so far. So we got to make another 20. Well, all right. Yeah, let's go make 20 grand. Let's do it. Snap your fingers. You better put some good minerals in this one. Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah, we got to we got to load up on sponsors on this. Just every other like second thank our video sponsored today. Anyway, guys, thank you so much for watching. We'll link to all of our information down below in the description. Get your four free stocks. Sign up for Yada. And with that said, you guys, until next time. That's got to be the end. I'll I'll pay attention to that. Here we go. So it's a little on the bright side, but right of the lighting just works for some reason, so we're okay. I don't know why, but okay. [clears throat] It's terrible lighting. What? The lighting is kind of hectic. It's really intense. Usually we do these podcasts by the way at like 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. at night. Yeah. Um never This is the first podcast we've done at this hour. Makes you look tan. Yeah, it does. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, [laughter] I'm going to start the sun. Okay. Okay, we're going to stop you if you do it wrong now. Okay. Hello everyone. My name is Ian. Welcome to the Iced Coffee Hour. You did it wrong, yeah. [laughter] The 35th ever episode of the Iced Coffee Hour. My name is Ian. So far we have okay, okay, okay, okay. ever. [sighs and gasps]