Christ Conciousness & Healing Trauma | Chris Thrall Podcast

Hello legends. Do you live in a matrix? Do you consider yourself awake? Perhaps you really want to get in amongst the weeds and uh walk this path they call enlightenment. Well, I'm going to be talking about that a whole bunch of other stuff with the one and only Jimmy Bongo. Let's get into it. Jimmy, how are you, mate? Hello Chris. I'm good, thank you. Thank you for having me on. Oh, absolute pleasure. Thank you to Aaron for for hooking us up. Yep. And um yes, mate. Well, you've been on quite a journey. So, can I just one sec, Jimmy. Friends at home, could you check that you're liked and subscribe or check that you're subscribed, please? Be awesome if you check you're subscribed. If you're not subscribed, maybe you'll consider subscribing or perhaps you want to wait and see what what we've talked about. Um Jimmy, yeah, life fascinating thing, isn't it, life? I want to talk about your story, but let's go in at the deep end. Yeah. I I think the refinement of everything, almost like the cherry on the cake, Yeah. is when you get to grips with something called Christ consciousness. Yeah, definitely. Million percent. Which for friends at home please believe me is nothing to do with religion. It's about a metaphysical physical an alchemical uh a chemical biological process that takes place within you when you go when you uh step out the matrix, become awake and then start to view life in terms of energy, vibration, and frequency. And it's a beautiful place to be because it is when you hear the word paradise, that's what they're talking about. Yeah. So, I want to explore that with you with you, Jimmy. I mean, I can may maybe talk about my enlightenment in a bit, but what what's Christ consciousness to you? With me, it it it I think I like I think there's a lot of there's there's some truth in in the books, but I think it's been hijacked by religion. And just you know, like they give us much information in it because I think once you I think out of the darkness come at the light because you it's usually from the darkness where you where you become enlightened. Wha- when you're in a really dark place. I call it the kingdom of heaven. A- and and it it it's like the Holy Spirit igniting you and nothing to do with religion again. It it was like there was a stillness within me that I found while I was in the darkness, and then I completely sh- everything just shredded away. And then I could I like the awakening that I was it was it was something profound that I could I don't think you can really explain it fully unless you've been through it. I call them the magic glasses. Once you wear the magic glasses, when you become Christ conscious or God conscious, God consciousness, to me it was it was it was like like you said metabolic, it's like as if you all your DNA is healing, is healed, and then you you've opened your your seven chakras start spinning. You you're grounded, you you know, your roots your heart, your throat chakra, your your third eye, your and then your crown where the I think the what they were talking about in the books is where you see where they have the where they looks like they got a spaceship a spaceman's helmet on, but it it's enlightenment because the knowledge that's coming in is is like I got them downloads. That's how I write cuz I'll write I get downloads and I'll write. Um where before I couldn't I I always felt out of place. I didn't didn't feel like I fitted in anywhere. I felt like a an oddball. I I I used to get really low. Really low. Yeah. The excessiveness of you know, instead of fitting in we came here to stand out. That's what I tell people that we we we didn't come here to fit in. We came here to stand out. You don't want to be a sheep. You know. Yeah, you mentioned the the scripture and I'm massive for the scripture. I'm always encouraging people to get this this dictionary which I I can't show it on my screen now, but I can show people the physical copy. This is a decode. This tells you what is actually in scripture. What does it mean? When you hear these crazy stories that literally make no sense. Yeah. And by that you learn that things like so Jesus, and this is an allegory now, folks. The actual guy believe was called Yeshua, but the Yeshua wasn't it? Yeah. The the the ancient Greeks when they rewrote the the Bible in Greek, they wanted to get in their sun symbolism and that that the the astrological calendar and Yeah. So Jesus they've likened to the sun. Yeah. >> of Judah Yeah. is uh Ju- Judah's uh or the lion of Judah sta- stands for en- >> The lion of Judah says in it, yeah. Yeah, stands for en- enlightenment and the tribe of Judah camped at the right hand side. So this allegory for Yeah, yeah. The right The right side of the brain is the empathic side and the the left is the I call it the lizard brain or the monkey brain where you're your survival mode or your but your compassion and your empathy and your creativity is your right side. Jimmy, can you just sit back a bit cuz I think you're the camera's not it the camera's going out of focus. We can just see a blur. That That I think that's cool. Um yes, mate. No, it's great to be Isn't it amazing that you can have these chats with some people and and I mean I mean this not disparagingly at all because process of enlightenment is understanding we are all one. There's only one this in the universe. >> course. But it for purely from a fascination point of view, we're probably like in the you know, the naught point one percent of the population that have any clue what what we're talking about. >> What what actually going on, yeah. And out of that one percent those which will be enlightened is like naught point naught naught naught naught naught naught naught because you you've got to want to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Yeah, of course. I think I that's what I see. There is some There is some There is some truth that in the scriptures, but it's metaphorical. It isn't literal. I think it's all metaphor. It's like like making the blind man see. I think that is enlightenment. I think that is where you take the blinkers off and then you see see people what it really is and you see through the the control mechanisms that are in place from from the cradle to the grave. So, let's go the other way then. Let's take take your story. You said something interesting in your notes. You you put it down as growing up in the matrix. So, Yeah. can we can we talk a bit about your journey and how you ended up as a poet and a comedian and a filmmaker? >> Yeah. Yeah, I I I was a street kid. I was a street kid, Chris. I I'm youngest of 11. I'm youngest of 11 children from um from the building area in Liverpool, Seel Street and um from a very early age, I rebelled because at six, my my friend got actually got murdered when I was six and it was it was I I seen things completely different than what everyone else did. Cuz usually shock or trauma brings you out of out of And I used to just look at I used to think it was like a pantomime. I used to just be like like look at me at me siblings and everyone the way they carried on. I used to think this is not real. It used to remind me like a punching Judy or you know the way you could see it was like a simulation from a very early age. Where it it it's it's just a big moving ebb and flow thing, where you you know where you you can't really comprehend what it's what it is. You know, but I think like as you as you grow as you growing up as a child, you know, the scrapes you get in and you know, the um I was always I always felt like a like not allowed get an outcast because I did I just didn't feel like I fitted into the the mates because I I don't know I I think I think I think indulging in substances as well, you know, um herbs and things like that, um from a very early age. So, let's just just peel back there cuz often people on the podcast, they mention some act utter catastrophic event as though like it's completely normal because to them they've normalized it, but you your best your your child and one of your best friends gets murdered, did you say? Yeah, got murdered I was six. >> How how how how could you give us some context what happened? Yeah, he got taken by some people and they uh um done stuff to him and and killed him and they and they found him. They found him um they found him in the bin. Um so, that was I I sort of rebelled after that. Is that sorry to interrupt, but that sounds uncannily familiar with the Jamie Bulger thing, doesn't it? >> Yeah, very similar, yeah. Very very similar, yeah. >> And can we in investigate there because there was absolute public outrage and hatred for them two lads when when that little tacker they basically sorry friends at home if you're feeling sensitive today you might want to give this one a miss but you know they they tortured the kid to death did horrible things to to to >> Well this was this wasn't children that did that it was um it was adults it was it was it was a adult who who took him and The link I was trying to get at Jimmy is that for them to have done what they did to Jamie Yeah yeah yeah. What the hell were they going through? I'm not trying to justify it What sort of upbringing were they did they have but I've I've heard stuff like they used to they torture animals and little animals and all like um pets and things like that So you God knows what they were seeing at home. And your friend was adults that kidnapped him. Yeah they took him and um it was uh It was you know what I've I've tried to I've tried to research I've tried to research it and find cuz I did a poem how I it affected me for years like addiction and mental health and things like that cuz but it wasn't till I had therapy and and things like that and that I realized that that was where all the the abuse the substance abuse and the you know like the darkness might may have came from but um and yeah they I've got the other I've lost Well no let's I've tried to research I've tried to get some information on it and there was no information whatsoever on it. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. >> let's take it one step at a time, brother, cuz I think our audience home really want to hear your story, and at the moment we kind of stepping over here and not really just you know, so so this is horrific. Did you receive what was this kind of some satanic thing? Were they Were they just Yeah, I I think so. I think it was something like that, like a pedophilia It was something to do with pedophilia and Okay. >> something like that. Yeah. Did you get any You or your friends get offered any therapy for that? No. No. I I remember going into school and actually getting punched in the back of the head by by one of the nuns then a couple of days later. And I I remember looking at him thinking, "Do you not know what happened to that like Do you not know what just happened to my mate?" And like he went to a different school. He went to the I went to the Catholic school. He went to the uh Mount Pleasant school down the road, but um just uh absolutely horrendous uh I I It wasn't till in me in me 50s that I got I had therapy myself. The way and writing writing I think writing that I did a poem about them and and I saw the release there and it was it was a big release. You know, um the sort of like lay laying them to rest. So, you mentioned nuns, you mentioned complex trauma, cuz she's just smacked you around the head whilst you're already traumatized. Yeah. Yeah. >> that you can see here friends at home can see where the layers of trauma Oh, yeah. come in, and especially back then when we were kids, stuff went some stuff went on that kids these days wouldn't believe was allowed to happen. >> Yeah. Yeah. I've never ever seen any any any any sexual abuse. A lot of physical abuse cuz you used to just be able to beat you up then, didn't they? And no one you know. Well, we didn't know what it was. We didn't know what it was then. When we all become adults, the girls at one of one of my primary schools cuz I went to five five I went to six schools before the age of 11. Boy. Gives people an idea of my my my childhood. So, you had a lot of that like me then. No, my well, my you know, my parents couldn't get it together and and as a result we we we had a a bit of a turbulent experience as kids, but hey-ho. Not a not complaint. Um But, it was just funny when all the girls got older, they all and they started networking and probably through Facebook. They were all like, "Did so did that teacher used to pick you up? Put you on top of the cupboard?" And everyone's like, "Yeah. Did he like have a good feel as he was "Yeah, it's funny Do you know what I mean?" And and and then you realize, "Oh, bloody hell, you know, it was there. We just didn't understand it." >> Yeah, you didn't you didn't understand it, yeah. I I had a I my family life was actually I had a really loving family. Me mom and dad were amazing. But, they did people didn't really understand what you know, about trauma and back then it wasn't really talked about, was it? No, not at all. When I when I went through the mill Yeah. Like I didn't know what depression No one had ever said. No. I I didn't know what anxiety Like, what's this weird thing that I'm I'm feeling? Feeling, yeah. What they do in Australia now, Jimmy? They've got this point system where the combined services, so social work, school, you know, police, whatever. Mhm. They're looking at these children as they come through the system and they're saying, "Right, you get a point for this, you get a point for that." You They call it a traffic uh some I think it's like traffic light system and they mark them on so, absent father, boom, you you know, you you get >> Yeah. 10 points immediately. Um mother uh got an al- you know, addicted to alcohol, that's you're a 20-pointer now. Um social deprivation, you know, living in squalor, you're a 30-pointer and and you know, if you make that 10 even if you make five points, you're already at risk of PTSD in later, you know, you you're you're a traumatized individual. Yeah. Um and as such, the idea is in Australia, they can then put services in place to support you through, you know, through your your journey. But when we were kids, there's like none of the They just used to dish dish mothers out Valium, didn't they? Yeah, mother's little helper, weren't they? That's what they were called, mother's little helper. Um Uh I I I also um witnessed me sister getting getting um beaten up. I wit- wit- witnessed me sister getting beaten up when I was all 12. And that had a really really really damaging effect on me as well. Cuz I but I don't plan, you know, if someone hit one of your family, you went out and done them in. You know, eye for an eye. Absolutely. >> them in. So, me five I have five my brothers and five hardcase brothers and and and I couldn't believe that they got that they hadn't gone down, but I I understand now that you know, man and them I understood later on that it was man and wife and you know, it's a accomplished you know, complex situation cuz she obviously loved them. And then you you know, you interfere with that, you you you know, you can cut someone off and then adding them more vulnerable when they cut off from the family. Instead of the family being able to, you know, go down and check and Yeah. But it all it all adds to the you know, like you said before that I call it depressed when when I when I went into it because it was it was like as if I call it the meat suit the body is the meat suit cuz you you just, you know, we're spirits trapped in a meat suit, so this is my a analysis of the matrix. And I got to a point where I like the meat suit you just put it down. Put the meat suit down. We're jumping forward again, mate. I got >> Oh, yeah. I'm doing that again. So, could you apply like I couldn't apply myself at school. All I could do was look out the window Not at all. fantasize about the adventures I was going to have when I was I was going to I was going to go all the way around the world. I was going to, you know, work in travel through Africa. Did I I couldn't apply myself cuz I felt like it was you know, it felt like they were speaking like in an alien language to me. I just I I knew what they were saying, but I didn't really want to learn it. Deep down I innately knew that it was BS. I knew that it was nonsense that they were teaching me. Taught me how to count and and and write reading and writing, but I I I was sagging school from 8 years of age. Do you know what sagging school means? It means like not, you know, skipping school. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was skipping school from 8 years of age and just going and doing me own thing with me pals and and that sort of from that was from junior school. Like I got caught a couple of times, got a couple of beatings. Um cuz you used to get you used to beat you up you know they used to um and then once you got into senior school I would just I just wanted to go and play in the I used to go to woods. We lived like by a woods. So that was my playground. I just was loved being in nature, being in the woods and you know and just uh go swimming you just go swimming in your undies and you know like in the be the you know like like there was ponds there probably really dangerous you know but Did you get in many fights? Um not really a few yeah a few growing up it was very very very violent in the 70s Liverpool in the 70s was extremely violent. I would I I lived in a place called Crocky. Croxteth which is quite well known. Um we moved from town after that happened we moved up to I thought we'd moved to Wales because there was there was greenery and trees but it was like wasn't Wales it was like it was like The Good, the Bad and the Ugly when when you come out on the street cuz there's like families of it was like a housing project basically. Um and the each family had like 15 kids. So you can imagine the fights. Like like there was there was like a lot a lot there was a lot of fist fights and you know gang fights and things like that um but I I I I I was quite funny as a kid. I was I had I had a a good sense of humor I used to do I'd do little impressions and people just always seem to warm to me. I had a a couple of tough guy pals as well who who who who who who who are still friends to this day who sort of looked out for me as well. Um And I have five older brothers. They they were they were they were Yeah, got you. So did you pass many exams when you left school? No, not no qualifications whatsoever. I left when I was 13. I left over I actually left over it was cuz of the over the BCG. They said to give me the BCG and I and I said what what is it? And then they said to him, "Oh, it's good for you." I said, "Well, you take it then." And and and they were like, "Well, I said he's just fainted." Cuz the kid in front of me fainted when they give him the needle. So I said, "I'm I'm not I'm not having that." And they were like, "Yeah, you've got to." And then it was like there was there was a there was an altercation and I I basically told them to f off and left the house. Um and I never went back after that. Yes. And so what was your first employment? What did you do when you left school? Um I used to do um I was a um on the building game on the building. Uh and me brother was a bricklayer and I was a odd carrier. I was an odd carrier but I I was I was I was very I was I was involved in street stuff as well. So it was sort of what I call half chips half rice. Um Can you explain that? I was you know, I used to get a a lot of you know, like a lot of handle a lot of goods, you know, like stolen goods? Stolen goods. Yeah, got you. You know uh But I was You haven't got a toaster at the moment by any chance have you? I was just Hello Mary was. And yeah, this is fascinating mate and so you're kind of performing to a public as already begun because I'm guessing you're getting a bit of attention from telling you know, making people laugh. Yeah. Um and it's taking your mind off your your underlying trauma. So what when um did you progress onto any other sort of career of significance that we need to know about or should we just should we just talk about your awakening from the matrix? Yeah, yeah, because I didn't really like I say I I didn't really feel it. I just sort of floated through life. You know, um and then um I like I say I I I used to use a lot of herbs and things like that and um When when sorry, when did the um if we can say experimenting with substances when that started whilst in school, yeah? About 15, 16. And what what were your preferred potions and when did when did you start drinking? Um got cannabis, reefer mush um um >> can say that's that's okay. Um mushrooms and then and then speed and and then it it progressed onto narcotics then. Later on down the line but um fueled with alcohol and not a good concoction. But I did I wasn't really a big drinker like this in the early days. It was It was later on in life that I that I started drinking heavy. I mean my mom and dad passed away. Yeah. But it's um I think when you when you're in the eye of the storm you you have to have a either lightbulb moments or you have to hit the wall. One of the two. If if If you don't have one of them two things you usually people just drift away in you know, into into where they a downward spiral which is very difficult to get out of. Yeah, I've had one two three Three like really good mates. To To one of them I'd say, you know, a best mate, although you can have a few best mates, can't you? Um Yeah. Three Three of them I've watched watched watched Well, two of them I watched drink themselves to death. Yeah. >> One died fairly recently. I didn't realize the extent I hadn't seen him because of all this bloody medical nonsense. Yeah. >> I hadn't seen him for a couple of years and that and I only sort of learned after the fact. Um What I mean is we used to we used to all go out together quite quite a lot. That was our sort of connection, you know, and because of all the nonsense that stopped. Then I kind of developed a I I found it I found it an interesting experience being pretty much like the only person out of most people I knew that understood what was going on then that everyone else I knew just they just went along with it and and that did start making me question then sort of who do I really want to spend my time with? Do I want to >> I I exactly I know exactly what you mean because I just took myself away from everyone. I just I didn't really want to be around them. It was nothing to do with the the not the like, you know, all that nonsense that I had I you know, that consulting it was um it was more to what they were saying because they were they were giving me anxiety. Yeah. >> And I don't you don't do I don't know if you dealt with all my stuff. I'd gone through I'd gone through that awakening and 10 years before 2012 2014. Um but I was half expecting it. I'll be honest with you. I was half expecting it. You know, the way I know life being, you know, once you can once you see you can't unsee. But I didn't expect it to go like that. I didn't think people would be that naive. Yeah, I did because I remember how naive I was when I was in the matrix. It was um >> Yeah. Yeah, I was a young soldier, a young marine and you you kind of um Well, you you must have you must have seen some of that in the stuff. My my father was actually in the um was in casino. Wow. He was in the casino um and he he was a heavy drinker. He He he used to relive that every night when he was when he was drunk. I could hear him crying and, you know, like sometimes he'd make airplane noises. He had a He had a He had a wound across his lights across lights on his back machine gun fire like it would look like a big burn. It looked like it had been burned so he's had he'd been he's had 40 lashes something. He was a He was an amazing amazing amazing man. But he he um You could say he was in casino and you know when I look back now it it just dawned on me that he was such a lovely gentleman. And I think why he had so many children was because of all the death that he'd seen. And he he he he despised yeah he despised war. He despised anything to do with war or or the army or anything like that. And I think you you you seeing that I think you seeing that cuz I I have I've always My mother always taught me um and me dad um Try Try and make people b- better than when you first met them. Um never look down on anyone unless you're helping them up. And always be kind. And I always tried to live me life like that. You know um that's why I always had good I always had good ethics and I always had the you know them morals so to speak. You know um but I think when I think when it sold when they they the perception that you're going to see the world and all this nonsense where you where really and actually you're going to be killing you're going to be murdering people. You know going and doing horrendous stuff. You know me I I know me me dad when he was drunk he would sometimes talk about that and you just think oh my god imagine like you know we He Me dad had a had a day along been us. I remember him telling me a story that him and this cockney guy they were in they'd been getting shelled for about 3 days. And he was in a slit trench and he popped his head up. And as he popped his head up, it hit him. He popped his head up. And he thought obviously like, you know, unloaded into him. But he had a he had a long bayonet. Me dad, he was like the he used to feel he had like a baseball war rifle with a long bayonet. So he was like the man he used to feel for the man. So I used to think, "That's why why why would you do that?" You know? And and his mate said to him, "This is one of this home to me." But he bayoneted him so he can't even like that. Till he was just lying there chattering. Then he had to put his bayonet in him. I don't I don't think I can imagine doing that when you're like 19 20 years of age. It's it's it's It's unthinkable, isn't it? You know? So the trauma that it, you know, like you say It's I I I I think it's a lot of trauma that is generational as well. It's it's passed down and it's down through conditioning and stuff like that. Absolutely. I mean, you say your dad was a lovely man and absolutely no doubt of that. But he's still a traumatized individual. And there there'll be behaviors there that have uh that have affected you affected you, right? >> Affected me, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the video on your YouTube family matters, is that your That's not your dad in there, is it? Yeah, that's me dad and me mom, me grandmother. Um it goes back to 1959. Um I made that. It took me 4 years to make that. Um There's some of my policies, three poems in there. And there's there's interviews with me with with me mom, me dad, me me grandmother's in it. There's actually a cornflakes advert from 1963 that that we did. Uh that we got I got a I got me hands on it. Um through through some Dutch people who we know. uh cuz we we wanted to go we wanted to we we applied to sell a black to find find it. But they wanted 10,000 lb. So, Jerome, this Dutch guy, was doing a documentary when Tony Blair was um getting elected. And um he went into the ITV archives and he basically shoplifted the the copy for us. Wow. So, selling black was a 10 grand. So, he he never he said he was borrowing it for the research purposes and then he just made a copy. So, Crazy. >> hilarious myself. So, >> had a go from there to to 19 and into the '90s and then to modern day. Like my grandchildren or my children. Yes. Every Everyone lighting up their tabs, having their sun-blessed white white bleached bread. Yeah. Um We call it hairy bread. Me and me and the daughters call it hairy bread. Cuz me and the daughters had something to horse it. The only one I I eat is a white sourdough. It's the white sourdough. If I eat anything else, my but belly just Got explodes. >> Got a bit of a wheat intolerance, maybe. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah, definitely. >> You're trying to lay off carbohydrates, aren't we? It's full of glucose. It's not >> full of glucose. It's not healthy for us. >> for you. I I I was doing a fast on there Chris and it was it was helping me. It was helping me a lot, but um I've I haven't been doing it of late. I've been a little bit of a I've been a little bit excessive with the foods, but um sort of what Adam before, like did you have you are you are you are you aware you you're aware of the Clyde Freeman case, aren't you? Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, that's I think that's it's absolutely disgusting what's going on there. I actually did a poem. I did I wrote a poem for the for the for the for the campaign. Um but it looks like he's he's seriously ill, isn't he? He's he's he's you know, he's not got long left. And he's in >> explain for people who he is so they know >> Yeah, Clyde Freeman is the longest serving um Well, he's maintained his innocence since since since the um since the the incident he he was accused of murder. But he was out of the country at the time and he he's been in prison since 19 1988. They were going to they were going to release him in 1998, but he he he wouldn't change his plea. Well, I wouldn't change your plea either if I was in why would you admit to something that you haven't done? Especially something horrendous like that. Um So, he's going to the court of appeal. He was accused of burking someone, which is a Yeah. Which is >> What what what what's it called? Burking? Burking, yeah. It's a it's a it's a technique where you allegedly you kneel on someone's lungs so they can't breathe. And it came from a weird case of Burke and so-and-so that was some some antique murder that happened in the past and and then the guy ended up his corpse ended up alight and it all seemed like everything on the outside, if you weren't prepared to dig, looked just like it was Clyde. But as soon as you started scratching, you started to see some things you know, that that just couldn't couldn't have happened if it was him and longest serving prisoner because he's always maintained his innocence and as such they won't they won't release him which is crazy because It's a political isn't it? If he'd played guilty, he would maybe have got you know what six to eight years or something. >> Yeah, the manslaughter or whatever it was. >> but as a result he's been in there like 40 >> decades 40 odd years isn't it? >> Yeah, yeah, a lot a long time yeah. Yes, um shall I just play that poem that you've sent us? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got friends let's have a listen to this. easy way out But let's just kill them all there's no doubt. These people are brave and let's not pretend that they're lost souls to come to a sudden end. I've seen it happen with so many young men. Yes, talking about people taking their own lives. Oh that's that's that's the I recorded that yesterday that's a no way out. That is um that is about uh suicide prevention um it's a but I did it to um Is it Bach? Yeah, I think it's Bach. Um it's people like a piano like a like a classical cuz I knew it would fit cuz um my dad was a jazz musician as well so I I I always grew up around around music uh my grandparents had a dance hall in Scotland Road in the 1920s and 30s so we we always had piano we always had instruments around the house so I've always had had a ear for music. Yeah. Got you. So >> So, you left school, you got into a bit of the old substances and and um How How did things pro- progress then? So, to give you an idea, I kind of you know, I came back back from Hong Kong in the '90s. Massive crystal meth problem. Which then then turned to base because base speed was the only thing you could get in this country. Yeah. And then I you know, I was chronic on that for sort of 18 months, but I couldn't do any longer cuz my life just fell apart and I was just just mentally and physically and and material what my house, you know, I just everything the wheels came off everything and I was kind of like forced into a position where I had to change and that was the moment that I become enlightened by by leaving the past behind and and forgiving forgiving people, by being grateful, and by cutting down on that stuff, that was enough to put the wheels in motion to let literally let the light into my soul or let my soul >> what it is. connect with the divine and and I just I got it then. It's like, "Wow, I get it." >> That I think that's what the Holy Spirit is. I think that's what it is. When when the when the light comes in and that I got I do a poem called the Kingdom of Heaven that's about going up as a child and and then when you you know, when you reach that whatever it is, state of awareness or or state of consciousness or um you know, um enlightenment, whatever you want to call it, how you get there. It doesn't matter how you get there as long as you get there. Mhm. But I don't think you can get there at cuz cuz what when you're taking substance and you're and taking cuz I I I through the heroin um epidemic in in the in the '80s in in in in in Liverpool and it was absolutely horrendous. There was most of the people that I grew up with died through I'd say at least half of them died through the heroin heroin epidemic and then the the crack crack epidemic in the '90s. You know, um you know, I I I seen a lot of a lot of a lot of lovely people, good people end up really messed up and die. Um cuz the old you're altering your states of consciousness which through substance. It's it's called altered states. That's what it's actually called, altered states. Which is states of consciousness where you like you say as you go into it through levels of it where you in the end where you can you can actually get there through breath through breathing through through breath work. You know, but we're not taught how to breathe you know or anything like that. We're not Yeah. You know, we're not we're not taught the tools we could easily be given these tools. I I think like now cuz we do my our family business is practical magic. Um me and me and my wife and we we do we do a sound healing. We do sound healing. We do we do >> What was your business? We didn't quite catch that. Practical magic. Practical magic. Yeah. Um It's a holistic shop, I'd say. We do Reiki. We do massage. We do um we do large gatherings like free meditations for for mental health, for people's mental health and well-being because the the the singing bowls they seem to connect you reconnect you with your soul and the the thousands of thousands and thousands of people in the city all over cuz you got you know they're quite it's quite a famous it's quite famous shop you know on the on the on the internet and all that me daughters they they they do a lot of a lot of good stuff in the community as we sell by doing the mental health policy music events and we we do a sound healing and another but um it's it's that connected reconnected with the soul where we we we we the the matrix for me is a soul trap that it's it's you know that that repetitive cuz most you know you you you speak to most people they hate the job most people hate the job no you you that shouldn't be your life but you should you should enjoy what you do shouldn't you know or most people >> Sorry Jim I just want to show friends at home practical magic healing on Instagram would that be you? >> Yeah yeah that's our shop yeah. Okay. Let me get that picture up for people. There we go folks. Practical magic healing if you want to go and give that one a a follow if if you're looking for some healing >> we we we we sell it's a crystal shop. Um we we also do holistic in there we do you know um and other other other treatments uh but So um Jimmy I'm just curious I really want to track I basically want to know your drug history because that give you an idea of where you were in your mind your life so you said you you're experimenting a bit at school how did it get heavy with you what what kind of >> I think in the 80s I I I smoked a lot of weed and and and things like that. And then I seen a lot of people taking like the heroin. I had a I had a little go myself, but not really bad. Um and then the 90s it was more cocaine but me. It was cocaine cocaine and alcohol and just felt like that. And did you get to a place where you thought you know, I'll start to leave the substances behind, but I'll I'll go a bit more regular on the alcohol. No, as soon as I had the pints I wanted a line. I I I I wanted a line as soon as I had a beer. So the it it sort of like um I was thinking every day and I was taking coke every day. Yeah, okay. Excessively. I always had a gram of coke on me and and uh I I used to go to to the football. I used to follow the football and that is a bad combination. Um and then I done some herbs. I done I had a little visitation with the my herbal friends and they it sort of give me a the nudge in the right direction where Was it like a ceremony that you did or did you just take them >> Yeah. ceremonially? Yeah. What did that involve? Um the drinking the uh the plants and Did they like bong, you know, bong the the bowls or No. No, it was just the the it was the shaman and I drank the the the potion and then it I sort of went into the the mist and it was like as if somebody like um held a mirror up and I could see myself again. And I was like, "Oh dear, I'm there." And it sort of like uh set me up put me on the path to uh you know having an awakening and Yeah. The path of the the path of the righteous is never easy as they say. Mhm. I think I think most people who who who become enlightened or whatever you want I you know you become Christ conscious. I I I think most of them their lives is it's passion and pain. They have a lot of passion and pain in their life. And and trauma and things like that. But it it it's completely the crystals the results has helped me block crystals to use and I um I stopped drinking stopped taking substance and um and then it I started writing. And I found writing to be the most therapeutic thing that I'd ever done. And then the the the poems I could actually through the plant medicine uh it it it gave me this thing where I could look through the It was a little a little bit like Scrooge. It was like Scrooge. It showed me basis of me life where but it showed me through history how you know we've been we've been manipulated. Um but then I I could sort of like dip in back in and out not without taking anything. Through meditation I would meditate and I get these downloads and I would write the poems. So it was sort of like time traveling and it it felt like I was time traveling because I was actually there and I'd write the poem. And then I'd come back. I would it'd be like a download. And then I I showed me mate them, and he and he was like, "Wow, they they they I said to the ones you like them." I said, "I don't like 10 of them last night." He was like He was like, "No, how did you do that?" And he was like And he's like, "Music is you say?" I mean, he he he helped me um helped me a lot. And we we did um we recorded them. And then we put sound effects to them, and and these sort of like went from there. And then I uh I I've been doing that for the 4 or 5 years. And I'm just at them not not using them, but then they got just like a a YouTube channel where I would I would show them often. But it wasn't really getting much It wasn't really getting much um Super hours with the It was I would say something some which Yeah, I don't know. I am I got shadow banned quite a lot. Oh, on the on the channel? Yeah. Yeah, I think I still have. Yeah, you've got to play by their uh by their rules, you know. It's just Yeah, but so then in lockdown I um I I've done a couple of shadow knees ball. Three or four shadow knees, like short shadow knees where inhaling um the plant and uh I this learned how to make films in lockdown while we I I I I I've done I've done about I've done a couple of them, like film short film documentaries, and loved it. And and and the events I I was just doing outdoor events, and it was I I actually enjoyed lockdown. If if with the to be known. Because I didn't do the stuff what I used to do. So, for me enjoyment was going for a walk or going on me bike or or just sitting in the park and writing. So, it was very it was a I'd say the first one. The second one wasn't so it wasn't much fun cuz it was in the winter. The first one was in the summer. I got a lovely tan. I looked like I'd been in the Bahamas. Yeah, that was uh it was certainly interesting interesting times. And um so did you have W- W- Was it just the plant ceremony then that that it it it set you apart? >> No, I think I was What happened with me cuz I I hit the wall I said to you before I hit the wall because it was getting it was getting that bad that my my my missus and me and me kids were saying to me, "Dad, what are you doing? What are you doing to yourself? You just um you know, like s- out of out of control. Did it get to the point where you just didn't enjoy it anymore but you were sort of addicted to doing it? >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's it exactly what it was. Did you Did you find yourself it's like you didn't want to be deceitful for people. It wasn't about that but you just knew they're never going to understand and they're never going to accept it. So, it's probably best they don't know. So, you Yeah. You kind of try not You know what I mean? You try to keep a normal face on it. Yeah, you you you you you become a good liar. You become a good You you wear that mask and you and you you pretend everything's all right but you're smiling on the outside but crying on the in. Um you'd be like like I say like a like a game show host, like You know, like uh But yeah. That's my mate. That's my mate saying it. He says you're like You know, you're like Leslie Crowther Leslie Crowther or something. Like, "Come on down." Like But inside you you know, you you're crying inside. Absolutely. So Yeah. So now that you've reached this state of consciousness Yeah. how would you describe it for other people? What What you know, what what do you >> I I think I think it's I think it's it's joy. It's joyous. And it's it's it's celebrating. I think gratitude gratitude has a lot to do with it. Like being grateful for your life, just for waking up in the morning. And I I actually pray a lot now. Not to the fellow on the cloud. I actually pray to the to the um to the energy of God or to me higher self or to my ancestors. I pray to them. To always give me strength to you know, and guide me. Because I think prayer is a mantra. I think prayer is It's like anything with with a vibration. We're vibrational beings, so it's been proven by you you you know like the thing with the uh with the with the with the with the ice where you where you talk to a warm glass. You say horrible things to it, and then you you say nice things to the water, and then you get the Fibonacci sequence with the you get the um the the lotus you know, like the lotus flower the the symbol. But and then the glass ends up all distorted. And I and I think that's no different in human beings. I do you feel now that now that you understand that you know that that organized religions are a decep- it's designed for you know it's a hope- hope yet for the masses, isn't it? And and control >> Oh, yeah. No. And Liverpool is obviously notorious for being a Catholic area. And correct me if I'm wrong, but do how do you feel now when you look out at people that just I think that a lot of a lot of people have come away from the church church if if I'm being honest. Cuz they you know they I think that's why they're selling them all off because people don't they don't resonate with them anymore. You never see a poor priest there. No. Um You never see a poor priest or a poor vicar. I'm just wondering if he's worth worth buying one. I'm trying to think what what you could do with it. Obviously they make good night clubs. We know we know that from New York and our local rave was called the monastery. That that that was an old monastery. That That was a good good one. Oh, it's like the other rave scene was great. Yeah, that was that that was a good a good a good little rave. What about a roller disco where every time you go past the pulpit you get blessed? Every time you you know every time you >> be brilliant, wouldn't it? every time you hop over the font you get born again. There you go. Yeah. I think people would resonate with that more, wouldn't they? But I think I just think the the the absolute hypocrisy of it. And and I I also with the plants with the with the with the herbs I I found a lot more information. I seem to get a lot of downloads and a lot of stuff seems to come in to me into my prob- you probably find it yourself because you with the algorithms and things like that A a lot more information comes in and like see it in in at like see it the where Constantine really created all the religions which the control mechanisms cuz it was basically you know, the football may now football is the new religion. You'll be Man United, you'll be Liverpool, you'll be Arsenal. That's like Islam, you know, Christianity. But there's but I'm not so much but there's but there's um you know, like Krishna and because I think the way No, like that's what like the story of Krishna doing and and I think that energy has come back around in the you know, in the um within the planets and things like that and it it's it's it's the first sound that we've um It's it's it's a very I don't know it's quite I don't believe in coincidence but there there does seem to be a massive awakening happening. Yeah, the thing is and I talk about this quite a lot on on this channel is being awake you know, understanding that there's a problem that's one thing that but you're still in a matrix when when you're awake. You know, being in light being in light is very different. I but I think what it is being enlightened you don't get I don't get thrown into it. I like George Carlin's analysis of the the front office freak show. You know, where you can just just go over Oh, that's that and that's that. I'm okay. But I don't watch television. I I'm not celebrity. Jimmy, you were saying the way to help people is you can sort of reveal the codes. Would you agree you can lead a horse to water, but you definitely can't make them drink? That people have to be >> No, you can't make them drink. There's journey as Yeah. There's journey as There's journey. And you you You've got to go through it yourself. You you've got to go through your your your challenges and your tests and and and and pass the tests and you know, learn from your experience. I don't really think you can awaken other people. I think they've got to go through that themselves. But if we can just give them a nudge and just say maybe, you know, this or maybe that. I think it all helps. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um Jimmy, it's been a fascinating chat. It's been wonderful learning about about your life. It's uh >> Thank you for having me. Say again, mate. Thank you for having me on. >> No. Oh, absolute absolute pleasure. Um you know, as you can probably guess, these are the conversations I like to have. They're about esoterics, aren't they, which is a Yeah. Yeah, of course. special special part special part of life and I'd encourage everyone to to take an interest and Yeah. And um you know, had I known back along when I was having all my struggles, all my my my challenges, let's say, had I known that all you had to do was that and you suddenly become divine you know, you become God manifest. Yeah. Then then I wish I wish someone had told me that, Jimmy. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, see. If you if you if you introduce it into the schools and it was introduced into the curriculum, then you would have a lot of a little little Buddhas and little Yeshua's walking around. Do you know? Yes. Wouldn't be a bad thing, would it? No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. Um It wouldn't. No, it wouldn't at all. I was just going to make a explanation there of why these kind of God images are are masculine. And it's nothing to do with >> Yeah, why are they always masculine? But why why when it's called Mother Earth, you know? Yeah, so it's it's the mother is the emotional nature. Yeah. Yeah, or male is the So, female is the emotional The emotion is nature. Male is the is is is is is the mind, you know? And and it's all about masculine and feminine. It's not actually about like blokes and women. It seems a bit unfair, but um Well, it's it's like um I think I I got I come to the to the conclusion that the that the gentleman is is someone who's in touch with his feminine and his masculine. It isn't a Oh, he's a gentleman. You're the gentleman. You're you know, you're a gentleman, you know? And you're a protector and you're a nurturer and and and I think it's been wrongly used like everything else. Well, you know, a gentleman is someone who's wears a top hat and a and a bowler or a bowler hat and his cane and wears a crombie. Yeah. >> Maybe he can be a a complete a complete bounder. Yeah, the complete cad. Sorry for swearing. No, that they're terms that you don't really hear these days, aren't they? They were quite, you know, that was quite popular in when we were younger, but definitely our parents' generation used those terms. >> Yes, a bounder. Yeah. Yeah, incredible. Incredible. So, um what I'm going to do, I'll put your links, Jimmy. I'm just making a note of one here now. I'll put I'll put your links below the video and for your Practical Magic Healing Instagram. And, um yeah, let's chat again at some some point and see where we are on our on our on our journeys. Yeah. Um thanks. >> Absolute pleasure. Yeah. >> day, man. Yeah. Stay on the line, Jimmy, just so when I record off, I can thank thank you and say goodbye properly. But, for the purposes of the recording, massive thank you. Much love to to to you and yours, and I'm glad to see you to see you well. Yeah. >> Friends at home, hope you enjoyed that one. If you can like and subscribe, obviously, that would be awesome. And a massive thank you uh to everybody who's chipped in a fiver for my upcoming Everest summit expedition to shine a light for struggling veterans like I was and to raise awareness of the link between um adverse childhood experiences and PTSD in later life cuz no one's talking about this, and we we lose a lot of veterans, and conveniently you know, no one wants to talk about the the the elephant in the room >> The elephant in the room, no. Yeah. Or the thing the thing behind the thing as the American Veterans Community call it. You know, they they they know what's what what what's going on. So, there you go, friends. If you can chip chip in a fiver, there'll be a link below. Thank you. Right, Jimmy, just hold the line. I'll see you in a second. Much love, everyone.