Cherry Hill Working Group Aug 31, 2026

Sanjay, >> thank you, Ray. >> Loud and clear. >> All right. Awesome. And Rey, um, thank you for hitting record there. >> Yes. >> All right. And I will just say again, since we just, um, hit the record button that I just called to order the August 31st um, meeting of the Cherry Hill Working Group at I called it to order at 7:03 p.m. It is now 7:05. We've done a roll call. So, we're going to move um to general public comment to start. Um so, members of the public who wish to make public comment can use the raise hand feature and we will uh most likely allow up to three minutes depending on the number of hands that go up. And I think it's it's pound nine if you're calling in. Is that right, Rey? >> Don't know. I think it's pound or star 9, but it doesn't look like anyone is calling in. So, um, the public comment period is officially open. So, if you have a public comment to make, please go ahead and raise your hand now. All right. Wonderful. Not seeing any. Um, I'll keep my eye out in case in case something does come up. Um, and so I'm gonna pass it over to you, Rey, to uh make your uh to give us your report. >> Okay. I in respect for the the uh for the agenda, which I know is is pretty tight and we're making that that uh turn towards the conclusion of the working group. I I want to keep this as brief as possible. Uh today's report is largely kudos to uh my programmer Jose Allen. Um I I want to I want to share some of our successes and upcoming uh upcoming uh schedule pieces of action at Cherry Hill. This past summer we ran a youth golf clinic uh thinking about ways to grow the game and ways to get people involved out there. It was I I had a chance to actually be a take part in it um every week. week. I think it was five or six weeks where we had uh 15 or 16 kids that uh showed up. Not all kids. We had we had a number of of uh participants come out and and uh do an intro to golf. Uh last week we took a couple took an hour of the course on on a weekend morning and it was it it was a lot of fun. I think the the kids are involved. I think they're looking to try and do more of this in the future, but that was a nice little spin for our summer. Uh AIC, uh Jose's also arranged with AIC's athletic department to run some grow the game uh u uh lessons for youth for us in the future here. We're really looking to try and try and develop a larger sense of of our of our try it sports sort of thing. We want to get kids familiar with the sport, familiar with golf, familiar with the language, familiar with just the the the the the process of hitting a ball and seeing the ball fly and feeling like you've accomplished something. So, we've got AIC's athletic department aboard to work with us here in the in the in the in this upcoming year. Uh we've also got uh our women's league is going to be rein reinstating a an adult women's lessons uh series uh which which you know I'm excited about doing also um um outside of that outside of those three among others but outside of those three significant programming wins for us uh we are going to s sit down here in the next few weeks and go over uh winter the transition for for know certainly skiing, but also our our uh disc golf uh setup. We're going to we're going to be looking to try and plan our our our non golf season Cherry Hill usage here. And that is I know part of what we're looking at today. Uh our our our transition into that hibernation season is coming up soon. Last thing is uh I just had a series of conversations here recently with finance director about our fourth quarter revenue reports and not a surprise to anybody myself or anybody on this call uh our fourth quarter revenue indicated that FY26 was uh we brought in revenue significantly higher than we had projected. expenses were also higher but we brought in expenses brought in revenue that was was significantly higher than what we had projected. Uh part of that is because our projections came before our our our uh fee hike. Um uh but but that was that I think it's a nice ribbon to put around the fact that FY26 we're happy about about sort of where we are given what our limitations are. We're happy about where we are and the direction we're heading and and the momentum and and and interest in the golf course right now. So, with that, I can field any questions or just hand it back over to you, Michelle. >> Thank you, Ray. Yeah, let's give a moment for questions. And I'd like to welcome Sarah. Sarah, can you hear us? >> I can. Excellent. And also, um, Dave got pulled into an unexpected meeting tonight. he was going to join us, but I just wanted to acknowledge that. Okay, Ryan. >> Yeah. No, I was just going to ask what is the status rate with the golf course management system? >> Management system will be uh I think we're finalizing it for to start with next year. We were not able to get it in for the close of this year. Uh um again there was some there were some issues about integration uh that that we think it believes that we may be solving on the on our end here. We're not looking to try and put it in for this season. >> Good Ryan. Okay Hillary. >> Um yes kind I guess kind of a followup to that. So um plus another question. So, with the management system, is that a new management system? Because that's what was in the uh stated in the um can't remember if it was um I think it was the June minutes. It was uh talking uh about having to change the management system because it wasn't working. So, have you gone to a new one? And if you have, what what was the cost of that? We have not finalized it yet, so I can't speak to details, okay, of of of what the cost is. Um, >> but it is a new system. It's a different system than the one you tried to uh initiate at the beginning of the season. >> We've changed a couple times. I believe it's different from the last time that we've spoken. This is the golf track uh option. >> Okay. All right. And then um my main question was why um was it necessary to go to AIC athletic department when we've got um Amos College and UMass athletic departments who I would have thought would have been really good to have been tried to get on board in terms of setting up youth lessons and integrate them more into the use of Cherry Hill especially. Considering that UMass students use it such a lot, >> we have had conversations with with the local colleges. Um uh I'm personally I'm excited about AIC because they they did show a lot of interest in in uh participating with us. Um um I don't I don't know. I we've we've had conversations with the Amoris colleges here uh for quite some time. I think we had a we had a pitch with AIC that that made sense for us. >> Okay. I'm just disappointed that we're not able to engage with the local ones if you like. But >> AIC is local. >> Well, it is local, but it's still what 20 miles away as opposed to being kind of on the doorstep. So that's all. So that was it. That was all. I was just interested why they were able to come up um Trump's versus um one of our handshake institutions. That's all. But if it fit, then it fit. So that's um important. So >> and just for folks who might not know, Rey, AIC is >> American International College in Springfield. Okay. And so there was some connection that that was made and then it turned into something um that felt like a good fit. Is that >> Yes. >> Okay. Great. Okay. I'd like to also uh welcome. Nice to see you. Can you hear us? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> No worries. No worries. We're all here. This is great. Um Okay, Chris. So if it's not the right time to ask a question projects and winter turnover on the golf course if it's not the right time just we can we can deflected down the did we air rate ray and kind of some conditions of greens we're concerned I did walk it the other day >> airation just happened this past week yes >> yeah I just I did walk it before aation I haven't had a chance to walk it after aation just mainly Yes, aeration just happened last week. >> Okay, >> great. Sanjay. >> Yep. Um I want to I want to be positive about the AIC connection. Um AIC is known as a college that has very strong community connections in the city of Springfield and the surrounding area. Um, it serves a student and community population that is very different from what people think of when they think of golf. Uh, it sounds like Jose has a personal connection of some sort to AIC. Um, and was able to facilitate getting something done quickly, which is also a big positive. Uh, and I'll point out that the Amoris College Department of Athletics is not as helpful as people would like them to be on many occasions. I can say that through multiple personal attempts to get them to do community engagement. >> I >> Yep. And uh so Rey and Jose, great job. And getting a youth program up and running is excellent. Getting a college involved is excellent. And I actually think AIC is a great choice. >> We we are excited about it. Thank you. Hopefully our neighbors in at Ammeris College and UMass will somehow listen to this excitement we have and jump on board. Um, wonderful. Okay. Any other questions for Ray? All right. Oh, yeah. Sure. I know. >> I could ask one question. I'm sorry I I'm apologies for being late, so I'm sure I missed all the important stuff. So, I may be repeating asking a question. >> Hardly. Um, so I I have to tell you I have played uh golf on uh Cherry Hill for most this season. I've never played this much and I was wondering if there was any scope for improving uh number two number three or number two uh the greens is there any is it u salvageable or is it really the uh not uh fixable problem? So that was one question uh about uh u the golf course that I had. Go ahead. I mean if you can answer it. I mean I don't know if you can answer it or not. I >> think that's a big question. Um and I I mean that's part of uh [snorts] we looked at a little bit early in the season. Um that's going to be one of the conversations we have. We know that that that that there is one particular you talk about that third green that there is one particular space on this course that is that's an eyesore that's a that it's a uh you know it's it's uncomfortable it's uncomfortable to play it's uncomfortable to watch it's comfortable to use the solution to that is much more complicated than just sort of putting somebody out there to to uh give it some attention. There is some extra work that needs to needs to go into that. That's going to be one of our major conversations for our off seasonason. Um >> I thought I was talking about the uh number two green, not the third. >> I I mean I mean number two. [clears throat] >> Yeah. And I I last time I also saw some patches on the green on number seven. Uh I was surprised by that because there was there is no shade over there. Uh so I would have expected the the reason I mention is this uh that in our uh financial projections we made a lot of assumptions about pricing power being able to raise prices or at least um I'm actually more concerned now that we may have to drop prices to attract people at some point because the uh other courses which are really well-maintained are not charging that much more. Uh so uh I was just going to mention that I don't know how I think it's been a constant um conversation we have had about um uh putting more resources into the course um and um and uh it's just my concern. I hope I'm incorre I'm not right about it but I think there'll be a pricing pressure coming on us uh if the conditions of the course don't improve. >> Thanks Anraen. Um, I think you missed uh Rey share that he spoke with the finance director and that our revenue um from this summer was much greater than expected. Um, so there is some some positive in there. And um, I Rey, I one of the things I was going to ask you is if Sean gave you any indication about, you know, some of the recommendations we made early on. Um, but maybe that's not for this moment. Um, but I see Ryan's hand up. >> Yeah, I was just going to ask, I mean, to tie what Anor was saying back into what you just said, Michelle. Um, obviously the course is doing well financially. this was sort of put forth for the last like six or seven months. How have we done with hiring somebody to solve those issues, right? Like I know that we've found one person, but that's simply just replace the person that we lost. Have we been looking for a second person or have we just not we we're just looking to replace the one that we lost? because there's a lot of room in this budget and this was what was kind of put forward um you know several times that like there should be more we shouldn't just be trying to replace we should be going after two people right and so I'm wondering where we are with the staffing and what the plans are for the staffing this is a reminder that this working group is looking for uh recommendations for the town manager moving forward that what we're doing right now is not the is not the purview of this working group. >> Meaning what? >> Meaning next question. >> So we haven't hired somebody like I I guess my question >> Ryan I I I hear your frustration totally and >> I'm just I'm just wondering what the answer to the question is. Have we hired one person? Have we not Right. Like it's just an update. It's not >> Yeah. What I might suggest is maybe you can give Ry a call tomorrow and you guys can have that conversation. >> Um if Ray is willing to have it uh offline or if there's another way that you might be able to to to um invest, you know, explore that. Um but let's let's move on because we do have a lot to talk about tonight and um we have a special guest who's joining us to talk about winter at Cherry Hill. Um, so if there aren't any other questions for Rey, um, I'd like to move on. Are we ready to do that? Okay. Yeah. [laughter] All right, Ryan, you good? We're ready to go. All right, cool. All right. So, um the next um item on our agenda, just before we welcome, um our special guest tonight, um Brian, I'd like to just briefly review the motion that was passed unanimously at our last meeting. Um because not everybody was here. Before I bring it up on the screen and such, did everyone have a chance to to review it? because I don't need to waste any time on it if everyone had a chance to look at it. Everyone knows. >> Okay. Um because that's going to be really important for our final report. So I just want to make sure that folks had a chance to look at that. Um so then with that being said, I'm going to move on and um we're going to tackle winter at Cherry Hill. And so um Sanjay and Brian Pearson and I had a chance to sit down. I think it was earlier this week, maybe it was last week. And uh Brian is the owner of Adventure East, which is a Sunderland based outdoor education and guiding organization serving schools, colleges, and community partners across the Connecticut Connecticut River Valley. He also serves as president of Friends of Lake Warner and sits on the boards of the Ammerst Area Chamber and Mass Hire Franklin Hampshire, bringing over two decades of experience in outdoor recreation and hospitality to Adventure East's work throughout the region. Um, and we had a really rich conversation and so we invited um, Brian to join us and talk a little bit about what his organization does and how it may um, support Cherry and the community um, during the winter. So, if Rey, if you wouldn't mind bringing Brian in, that would be great. >> We'll do. >> Thank you. Um, Brian, is that Yes, I believe. >> It's Adventure East. Yeah, there we go. Hey, Brian. >> Good evening, Brian. >> Hey, good evening everyone. >> How you doing? >> Yeah, pretty good, thanks. Not a bad Monday. >> That's true. [laughter] Well, welcome. Thank you for taking the time to join us. And um I thought that you uh could maybe just take a couple minutes, Brian, and share a little bit about what you're doing over there at Adventure East and just any thoughts that you might have sort of initially about how Adventure East and the Cherry um uh they may work together. [snorts] >> Sure, no problem. Uh [clears throat] well, good evening again. Thank you very much for having me. Uh I did have the pleasure with meeting with uh Michelle and Sanjay last week and uh learned a lot about what's been done in the winter at uh Cherry Hill and um we at Adventures have a a particular interest in in promoting outdoor recreation um and uh look for opportunities in the winter when it's a a bit slower uh from our regular business. Um I know some of the members on the panel here have participated in some of the activities that we offer. Um paddling, hiking, biking, archery, rock climbing, caving. Um we work with a lot of uh local conservation organizations, statewide conservation organizations. Uh we work with uh several of the local colleges uh local public schools uh private schools um offering these types of activities. Uh we have a staff of approximately 30 instructors that um are mostly certified in different areas that that um we offer these programs in. Um in the wintertime um we do work with um local uh Nordic centers uh Stump Sprouts and Notch View. We've had partnerships with um for the past several years. Um we have a team of Nordic instructors that uh teach uh programs there. We off we uh provide programs to UMass students and Ammeris College students um at those locations. Uh, and we offer a number of other types of winter programs. Um, snowshoeing, uh, wildlife tracking, uh, camping, uh, in the winter, um, uh, winter hiking, um, full moon hikes we do out at, uh, Notch View in the wintertime as well. Um, and these are all, uh, types of things that we could offer right here in Ammerst. um there there's a real opportunity I think to to build on the the existing infrastructure there, build on the existing um work that's been done in the uh past winters. Um, and as an organization, I think what we could potentially bring to the table is kind of our back-end infrastructure that makes it all pretty straightforward in terms of um, you know, making reservations, booking lessons, um, renting gear um, for snowshoes, um, Nordic equipment, um, and so forth. Um, [clears throat] as far as um prior experience, um, I personally have been involved in the ski industry since, uh, I was about 3 years old, not necessarily working, but, uh, skiing and, um, it's always been a passion of mine. Um, and, you know, lived in Vermont for quite some time and and did Nordic skiing up there. um lived in South America, ran a backcountry ski operation there for 15 years. Um and now I'm working both at Birch and uh Eagle Brook on the hill as a certified uh alpine instructor. Um so we bring a lot of experience um in the outdoors and in the winter uh time when when there aren't as many things as happening, but we have a pretty uh vibrant season for ourselves. So, um, you know, if there are ways that we can potentially partner with the town and with the the golf course to, uh, bring these types of activities closer to home, um, that's something that we'd be interested in. >> Awesome. Thank you so much, Brian. Um, so I'd just love to open the floor up to see if anyone has any questions for Brian or just um, sort of anything related to winter at Cherry. um that of course we'll want to include in our report um you know at least some some portion of our report will be covering um what happens outside of um golf season. So I see a bunch of hands. I'm going to start with you Chris. So Ryan I mean would would your goal be is it like to set up the maintenance of the cross country or or snowshoeing and is there like a membership sold? How how do you kind of envision this project at Cherry Hill? >> Well, um you know, I I think there's two two parts to it. One is kind of like the operation of of what's going on there and grooming the trails and and uh you know, opening up the warming hut and and being a place that that's able to receive the public and and I could foresee us, you know, taking on that responsibility if it was part of a some sort of management contract. Um and then as far as the front end of it, um you know, the sales and marketing and customer service is, you know, right up our alley in terms of, you know, um from, you know, essentially building the right programs for the the facility and then pushing them out and and then being able to take the reservations, schedule the guides, um make sure people show up when they're supposed to show up. uh having all the equipment, maintaining the equipment and um you know engaging the the guests in a way that [clears throat] we can extend the um relationship beyond you know just a one time uh visit if possible. >> So yeah, soup to nuts, we can do it all. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh Sanjay, >> yeah, thanks Michelle. just that Brian's had this notion in his head for I think all of about like 30 minutes of actual thinking time between a few emails from Michelle and the meeting that we had last week. Um so I just wanted to say that that like yeah all possibilities are open and in terms of the way that this working group thinks about things. Um, what I learned is that there exist organizations or at least an organization who have the capacity to operate a ski center in Ammerst. And so, as I think about what a report might eventually say, uh, it might contain a recommendation that I hadn't ever conceived of before, which is that the town might seek to contract with an organization to operate a cross-country ski center at Cherry Hill. And the details of what services might be provided could range from the very very low end which would be a person sitting in the clubhouse making sure it doesn't get vandalized right to the much much higher end which would involve taking over grooming operations operating a snowmaking system writing grant proposals in cooperation with the town etc etc right um but but I think Brian is at the very beginning of thinking about this and how his organization might be involved Uh but in terms of the brief of the working group, that's what I've learned and am feeling really enthusiastic about. >> Thank you, Sanjay Hillary. >> Yeah. Um I having [clears throat] um been part of Adventure East, a ver a variety of Adventure East um activities, both winter and summer. And um as an aside um the full moon kayak at Lake Tully was superb on Saturday night. So thank you. >> Um a longhorn screech owl kept us company for most of the time we were on the lake. So >> that was very fun. So I can um vouch for you the whole organizational structure that goes with anything that Adventure East and Brian puts together and having the ability to engage them in uh for the Cherry Hill winter activities to me would be a win-win scenario because it would bring money in, it would bring more people in, utilize the facility, and ensure that there was an ongoing um progression through winter into spring and summer and that whole cyclic thing that will ensure that the golf side of it can be maintained hopefully at a higher level than it currently is. So yes, I'm in for that. >> Thank you, Hillary. and so good to hear that you've had some experience um with the organization. Sarah, thank you. So, I um my first response is so excited about this. Thank you for the folks who thought about this, brought it together. I can't believe I've lived in the Pioneer Valley this long and don't know about Adventure East. Like, I'm looking I'm looking at the website, I'm like, "Oh my god, like how did I not know about this? How have I not connected with this organization?" So, I'm sitting here thinking and you know, Nordic skiing is top of mind, but then trying to think about the property and are there I don't know. I think the property is more than just the golf course, right? The land that's there or is because because there there it seems like there are other things in the winter if if it there are other spaces that you know, Adventure East could um could bring to it or in shoulder seasons. Um, so but I'm just want to express real enthusiasm and excitement about kind of taking a look and seeing where this could potentially go. >> Thank you, Sarah. >> Yeah, I mean there is definitely other land connected and adjacent to Cherry Hill. I do think there are property boundaries that differentiate the Cherry Hill land from conservation land at both at Puffers and then in the woods to the north and then of course Kohl's and the Jones family owns other land. But like some of that like are there trails like I'm just thinking about you know cherry like cherry hillbased um like you know mushroom walks are already on the menu but like doing one that's kind of so there's like a a menu of outdoor adventure that's centered around that particular spot I guess. Um >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Absolutely. Uh, Rey, did you have any questions or thoughts about this or want to give any um I know you sort of started to say that you are all gearing up for winter, so it might be if you you know, if if you're ready to share that, it'd be nice to hear what you guys are thinking about. >> No, I'd like to connect in with Brian and and sort of make my own connection here. Um, nice to meet you here. Um um we certainly are looking at at at at op options for our winter programming. Um um and so I have your I do have your contact already. I can I can certainly talk to you as a director to potential programmer here. Uh working group working group will be obviously putting any recommendations about how to use adventure east and the services here. I'm also I'm I'm uh I'm also interested excited about about what it could mean. Um the working group will be putting any any thoughts about how this could could factor into the health of the of the course in the golf off season, what it could mean for revenue, what it could mean for for our uh for our structure, the Cherry Hill structure that can go into the working group recommendations. But there's part of it that I'm I'm definitely interested in in picking your brain a little bit about about um what we can do even before that or without that. >> Awesome. That would be really great just having sort of the parallel tracks of thinking sort of more broadly about how Adventure East or an organization like Adventure East would uh work um to support um the golf course, but also the two of you getting together and just throwing around ideas because like we've got the winter's coming up pretty soon, [laughter] just around the corner. So, does anyone else have any? Yeah, Sanjay. >> Sure. But let me You were going to open the floor. If anyone else has something, let them go before me. >> Okay. Sure. Chris, >> do you what what do you see like the financial side to the town? I mean, you must have kind of thought something through a little bit. I mean, I'm not asking for rough numbers or percentage or anything like that. It's just >> Yeah. I mean I think that that there would have to be you know some sort of um fee to make sure that you know we can cover time to be there and um taking care of the basic operations and then you know the revenue side of things could potentially cover that um and we could look at you know revenue sharing or whatever but >> um essentially a a management fee with a revenue split of some sort but you know without having crunched a lot of numbers I can't no and and it's her first year. So, yeah. Okay. I appreciate it. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> Uh I was just uh wondering and I'm sorry if I missed it cuz um uh if uh um Brian, you could talk a little bit about any experiences you have working with other institutions, especially towns. >> Huh. Well, um, you know, we're based in Sunderland, so we have a great relationship with the town of Sun Sun Sunderland. Um, you know, nothing contractual. I think we've done some programs for the Wreck, uh, program in Sunderland. Um, you know, with town of Ammerst. We've done some programs with the the high school. Um, you know, I I think the biggest, um, experience outside of um, Adventure East is my own personal involvement in the Friends of Lake Warner and the Mill River. um which it it's very um much related to the town of Hadley and and actually I've been building partnerships in Ammerst as well and um the Mill River actually um you know comes from Puffers Pond and um uh Eastman Brook flows into the Mill River. Um, I've been on the board of of Lake Warner, Friends of Lake Warner for now, um, about 5 years. And, um, you know, I've I've gone through, you know, the conservation commission for a few, um, order of conditions and, you know, have a restoration project going there. We just landed um a private um donation of over $500,000 for a 5-year um restoration project um that's all uh already permitted by the town of Hadley um for um it's essentially a invasive species management plus phosphorus treatment um as well as a kind of a mandate to look into how we can partner with um you know the other uh other other uh stakeholders in the watershed to reduce non-point uh source pollution. Um so that you know that's probably my biggest um kind of involvement at a municipal level. Well, it's mostly with the mostly with the town of of Hadley permitting. Um, and then some, you know, I'm meeting with some folks uh in Ammerst and have had conversations with folks in Ammeris, uh, over the past couple months or so as this project is really just kicking off, I guess. Um and then um you know probably our our our biggest involvement um in the community through Adventure East is with um uh UMass uh Ammerst big supporter of ours. Um we work uh with the Eisenberg School on a regular basis. We work with um UAW the the graduate student uh benefit uh trust. um they they run program with us uh monthly. We run a a gear locker with them and rent camping equipment. Uh can't keep it on the shelves. Really great product that gets uh the grad students out traveling all over New England with camping gear that they don't need to buy. Um they can rent a whole trunkload of camping gear for $10. It's quite amazing. Um we also work with the Ammeris College Outing Club. Um that was one of our first clients back in 2020. So we've been we've been doing work with Ammerst College for since the company started. Um we work with Kestrel um also since 2021 since the company started um doing all sorts of programs. That's how um I'm fortunate to know Hillary and and all of her great comments about what we do um through our relationship with Kestrel. And um as well we've worked with the trustees for over 5 years as well um developing and running programs uh all over Western Mass. Um so yeah um some municipal involvement but a lot of um you know community partnerships through through other nonprofits um and through local school systems and and colleges. >> Awesome. Great. Thank you. Thank you for that. >> Thank you Brian. That's awesome. Sanjay. >> Yeah. Um Brian, thanks for your willingness to sort of spend some time with us. And I hope you don't feel like you're being interviewed. Uh that's not what we're that's not what we're supposed to be doing. And and on the same note, Rey, thanks for your interest in willingness to talk to Brian offline uh in an operational sense about what might be possible at Cherry Hill for this winter or future winters. Um uh so that's comment number one. Second is to just uh set and temper some expectations for the working group about what might be possible. Uh and maybe Brian for you as well. Uh cross-country skiing in the Northeast is no longer a profitable enterprise in the classical sense of the word profitable. Um unlike golf, which remains profitable if difficult. Um, as I think through the places that I go skiing, uh, I can't think of any that are not nonprofit operated by a college or a nonprofit foundation with significant corporate backing or run effectively as a labor of love by an individual that results in essentially zero labor costs for the place. I think of Stump Sprouts when I think of that last. >> Yeah. Right. I mean, so, um, as we eventually think about writing a recommendation bullet or two about interaction with external organizations regarding skiing, uh, as a working group, we should not expect, in my opinion, that Nordic skiing at Cherry Hill will ever be a significant net revenue source for the land. That doesn't mean that the town shouldn't explore increased skiing services because the town is not a business, but we should be realistic about what can be done in terms of Nordic skiing at a place like Cherry Hill. >> Yeah, thank you Sanjay. And and we had an interesting conversation when we met about snow making, which um is a lot to get into um but was very interesting. All right. Well, I I don't want to keep Brian here all night. Brian, do you have any other um anything else to add right now or um >> um No, just um yeah, thanks for the opportunity and um you know, no no problem uh answering questions. Happy to come back and answer more if if necessary. and looking forward to connecting with you, Ry, um to talk about this and um yeah, seems like there's some potential opportunity to do something uh fun in in town and you know, think about ways we can maybe boost the the Nordic skiing around here, San Andre. Um and yeah, that's that's about it. Oh, and and I was going to mention one other thing that we we we have in kind of in our inventory, but we we haven't um been able to to get out roll it out there to be used yet, but um some potential as well. Um and you know, there is the Mullen Center and people go skating over there, but um not a lot of outdoor skating um around. And um you know we one of the things we we got lucky with um a while back is we got some gear from Marboro College which was up in southern Vermont and they closed down um 2018 I think. But we we have the Marboro College ice rink and uh can set it up um if there's a nice flat spot and we have I don't know 100 or so pairs of skates. So it's another potential activity that would be fun to do there. >> Absolutely. I'm imagining Winterfest coming back and bonfires, [laughter] >> right? A little lots of uh lots of fires and hot chocolate and yeah, being outside. So, >> definitely. >> All right. Well, good luck everyone and look forward to >> Thank you so so much conversation. >> Thank you. You're welcome. >> Thank you. Have a great night. >> Thanks. Good night. >> All right. All right. So, let's Am I frozen or am I here? Can you hear me? Michelle. >> All right, perfect. Um Oops. Let me just take a look here. Uh so, um the other items on our agenda tonight are potential community partners, um and the friends group followup. Um, I would like to just start with the friends group followup. I'm looking for um some feedback from this group. Obviously, we'll want to talk about the friends group in our report um or the potential for a friends group and and what we've sort of discussed around that. But in terms of right now, I'm wondering if Rey or anyone in the committee has thoughts about whether there's any action that should be taken uh with the folks who showed up to our listening session and put their names onto an email list. Um do we want to follow up with those folks and and you know, I don't know, I don't know what the appropriate process would be um right now. So, I'm just looking for some feedback on that. >> My first response would be this would this is where I think Dave Zmeck is particularly useful because he's seen friends groups uh he's he's seen friends groups and stated um before. I haven't seen the origin of any friends groups before. So, I don't know exactly what the the next first steps would be for us. um um for the people who express interest. I don't know if that interest precedes any sort of formal recognition of them. If the town needs to recognize a friends group in the first place, I can ask that question. If you're looking for next steps, I can certainly ask Dave that and [clears throat] and try and get that back to you. And um how many people were on that list? How many people had >> I'd have to pull it up, Ray, but I think there were like at least eight or 10 maybe that were on there. Plus, I think everyone in this group kind of has expressed interest in just continuing following up with that. So, or I think so if you haven't, sorry, [laughter] I I am. Um, so yeah, if you could ask Dave, that would be great. Maybe what I'll do though is just um draft a brief email to just send out to those folks and thank them um again um and let them know that we will be in touch at some point um about that and then um just give your contact information. Rey, would that does that work for you? >> It's fine. >> Okay, perfect. All right. So, um, in terms of other community partnerships, I did want to say that, uh, Chris and I had a chance to meet with a representative at UMass, um, with Nancy Buffone. Um, and it was a, uh, really productive conversation, very preliminary. Um, we talked, we we sort of brainstormed and put a bunch of ideas out there. Um, one of the ideas, for example, that I just wanted to like share is, um, they have in addition to turf management, which we've talked about a few times and can be tricky, um, but they have, you know, like a golf uh, club or like they have different clubs and things like that and they put out a newsletter. Um and they put out a newsletter I think um through the office of community relations maybe once every week once things get started. And so like how can we sort of um make a connection with them where whatever might be happening at Cherry Hill whether it's during golf season or not is being put into that newsletter as you know and going out to the whole student body basically. Um, and so that's just one example of many that we talked about um, at the meeting and I'm going to put together some sort of notes about that, but I just wanted to see if anyone else on the committee had thoughts about when it as we sort of start to um, move toward writing our final report um, if there were other organizations or categories of organizations that we wanted to think about in terms of um, recommendations. for the report and Chris if you wanted to add anything about about that that piece of things. Well, I mean the other part of the meeting which was just throwing some darts on the board was having potentially and this was all potential. This was these were just ideas so everybody understands that was having you know in interacting with some part of Eisenberg also potentially for um either like an advertising thing or helping with clubhouse ideas and also sports management um you know that that thing to help you know get more members in there. um run other ideas and programs. Um so I mean it it was a productive couple of meetings. Um you know we I I think Michelle and I both felt like when we left we weren't just you know um being you know handed something and saying oh yeah we we'll get back to you never. So I mean Summer was there. So, you know, we're expecting to kind of have some follow emails and conversations with her again. >> Yeah, I I there was definitely a lot of enthusiasm and and and just brainstorming things and a lot of potential. Um Sanjay, >> you're muted, Sanjay. >> Muted. Yep. >> But now I'm not. [laughter] Um I recall being quite negative about the interaction with the turf management program. mostly is timing, right? That they're not here during the time of year when the golf course needs the most attention. Um, on the flip side, Amoris Baseball has worked reasonably successfully with the sports management program to find interns to do marketing and operations management for Ammeris youth baseball. >> Um, they're college students. Some are good, some are less good. Uh but it's been a net positive for our organization to have uh students, undergraduates from sports management uh helping out our programs. And the timing is better for marketing because the big marketing season, I'm guessing, would be springtime when you're trying to drum up membership and get publicity out there about the opening of the golf course. So, um, I think that's a great opportunity. I will say, as I did with the turf management thing, that it takes real work to find the students, coordinate with them, manage them, and it's not clear that either in the wreck offices or at uh, Cherry Hill, there are people with extra hours to manage interns, even if those interns are free. Good. There's no free lunch, right Reay? There's no free intern. >> Um, I would just like to say that both Sanjay and Chris have both uh talked a little bit here about about uh strategies towards using um um you know, partners inside of our community. I think they're fantastic ideas. I think they are I think they are very useful for us and they are they you guys are both describing things that we're doing that Jose is doing >> um u um and and so we can certainly extend some of that Jose uh the we've we've been working pretty closely with the Minute Man marketing team to get to get Cherry Hill out to one of one of the reasons why our our numbers are so strong right now with the college kids that are coming through here and getting new information and new people out here is because of the work that my that my team has been putting in with marketers inside of UMass to try and to try and pull people and get their their uh their presence on the course. So So I I do want to say that you know I I hear you. These are these are things that make sense. Please again uh codify those in the report. So it either reinforces what we're doing or it allows us uh some of the some of the uh nuts and bolts to push that forward and do more of it and keep that going. So thank you. >> Can I can I go again, Michelle, just for a sec? Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Thanks, Ray. That's great. Um just I wanted to be more concise and clear about my own comment. When it comes to writing recommendations, I would not support a recommendation about trying to recruit turf management students. I would support a recommendation about trying to recruit marketing and sports management students. So, that's that's how I want to really put a finer point on that. And Rey, the best kind of recommendation is one that you're already doing. [laughter] >> It makes me It makes me feel good about myself. Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> It's when the prof it's when the professor says, you know, describes that thing in the class that that that you were just about to say and you feel like you're just I'm thinking what the professor was thinking. I'm with you. [laughter] >> Awesome. And that's a really good segue actually um Sanjay in terms of the report. Um I I did take some time to look at our charge. Um and our charge covers um you know we've covered mostly what our charge has asked us to cover. Um I think although you know I'm very curious what the rest of the group thinks. One area that you know I don't think we covered quite is um in our discussions is alternative uses. Yes. Disposition. No. Um and then legal constraints. You know we haven't really uh covered that. But I know sometimes when a charge is written, it's written um you know, sort of to catch anything that might um be explored. But I do think and I curious what you think, Rey. I do think we've explored mostly what Rey and the team and the town were sort of hoping we might explore in this group. Right. Do you think we've missed anything um before we start really turning our focus toward getting some solid uh report recommendations going? >> I don't know. I don't know off the top of my head. No. Um >> okay, good. Um so you know our the beginning part of our work was very heavy on the um the operations and the management and the budget and uh we put together a a pretty um hearty motion that was approved uh to meet or I guess it was last meeting um and now we've talked about you know community winter um we've talked about I think mostly everything that we need to talk about. So, I'd like to ask um how this group sees getting a final report written um and if there are other recommendations like Sanjay just said, you know, I wouldn't support this in terms of winter, I would this. Um, do we want to come to some consensus about th those things um and then start writing the report or do we want to say break us up into teams um and start writing parts of the report in draft form and then circulating and then coming back into a meeting and seeing you know what else where the question marks are like where we might not have uh a recommendation fully. explored yet. Yes, Sanjay, please. >> Uh, I would I would strongly urge us towards the second of those approaches. >> Okay, great. That's kind of what I think too. Um, that's that's I I agree. Um, so there are seven of us. Um, and I'm just does anyone have a particular area of the final report that they I mean like it seems to me Ryan is a natural fit for the parts that relate to the budget and the operations and all of that stuff. Is there someone Ryan am I on point with that? >> Okay. >> So, is that is there someone that would want to partner with Ryan in that? seems like Sanji is a natural fit to deal with the winter and um and that kind of thing. I think Chris and I would be great partners uh on the community aspect since we've done a little exploring on that. Um so I'm looking to you Sarah and Hillary and Anog in terms of like what parts of the report you might be interested and Chris if I got that wrong um let me know. [laughter] >> You've been speaking for me since this committee was made. >> Exactly. You can speak for yourself. >> I would I I the only other thing I would like to add to our side would be some of the golf course stuff. >> Oh, right. Exactly. That's >> some of the actual physical golf course stuff. >> The equipment you mean? Right. >> The course itself. >> Okay. Trees. >> Trees. Stuff like that that you know. >> Okay. Trump. >> Do you want to have is there parts of um do you want to have discussion around that here or do you want to just maybe take a stab at drafting some stuff? >> Well, I mean I think the tough thing is I think I mean if you haven't been on the golf course it's it's kind of tough to you know obviously Honor seems to be you know trying to go for club championship out there >> with all his rounds in. So, you know what I mean? It just um [sighs and gasps] I don't know. I'm just I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to figure out, you know, in that report, are we supposed to be where where we envision the course going or is it where we are we comfortable where the golf course is? >> Uh I'm not com I'm not comfortable where the golf course is, per se. >> They don't. >> Um I mean, we're all in businesses and stuff like that. I mean, I just I mean, I want I want the I think the golf course like like all of us talked about before was if the if it gets in better shape, it can it can I think it makes more money. You know, I'm happy, Ray, that you know, the golf course is up. I'd be interested to see the only thing I didn't hear earlier, and I don't know if Sean could tell you that or because I know your software is funky, is is just the number up, or is it is it also the rounds are up also? Did we just did you know like Ryan's numbers did we have the same amount of rounds but we just increased the revenue because we raised the fees or is it both are up? >> Uh I I haven't I haven't had a chance to dive in it but yes. No, I don't >> um >> for if I may respond real quick to the first part of that, Chris. Uh >> um nobody would nobody needs you all to be at with where we are right now. That's not that's not why you're here. Um I think your final report is a chance for you to outline the steps to get if you imagine what this course could be or should be. you guys can be as reasonable as you all know how to be. Uh I think I think that the challenge for you is to is to outline the steps that you come together and say that this is the steps towards getting to the spot where we're happy with it. Uh that's the that's the business vision. That's your that's your pitch to get from where we are to where you think we should be. Um um you could be whatever range of of happy with the courses you are right now if you're if you're saying well you know numbers are up and so and so why why why fix it if it ain't broke. Uh I don't hear anybody saying that. I'm not saying that. Why fix why fix it if it ain't broke? If if if that's how you feel right now, then the question is how what what can we do to do a little bit more of what we where we are right now? Um your final your final recommendation in terms of management of the course in terms of terms of the the physical well-being of the course in terms of in terms of the the the uh uh the org chart in terms of the financial placement in the town in place in terms of anything about the operations of this course. Those are things that can be put into that recommendation so that so that the town manager and you know I I'll obviously be looking at it also so the town manager can look at those recommendations and decide what we have the appetite for and what we have the budget and the wherewithal to put forward. And so um you've got some good ideas here. >> I would hope so by now. >> Um thank you Ray. Um I do have something to respond but I see Sanjay your hand is up. Please go ahead. >> Go ahead Michelle. >> Oh okay. I was just going to say that um last time when we approved that motion one of the things that we spoke about but that didn't get into that motion is I think the group felt strongly that there needs to be a capital investment by the town in the course. um and we spoke about it um but we didn't actually get it into that motion that we approved. So I will speak for myself. I think the town needs to consider a injection of capital support into the course um to deal with some of these. So like to kind of take what Rey is saying which is like we are where we are and it's not our job necessarily to dictate or direct or um you know meddle into the operations as they are currently. But we do have enough information to say that we think the course needs some capital injection in order to get to the place where we can really confidently raise membership fees. raise um greens fees and and all of those things that we've been talking about. So, I'd like to know if other folks in this group also feel like that's a recommendation that should come forward strongly in the final report and then I'll go to Sanjay, Sarah, and then Hillary. >> Yes, is the answer to your question. But that actually leads me into the comment I was going to make, which is I think that the best thing to come out of this committee's work is that largely because of the incredible amount of time that Ryan put into the financial analysis during the beginning of the work here, um, we now have the ability to support a wish list with what I believe is a highly persuasive quantitative argument that the finances of the operation of the land are in favor of investment in the course, right? Because the easiest thing to do as a manager is to dismiss a wish list as nothing more than a wish list, right? But again, because of the really herculean task that Ryan took on and the work that he did, right? we can we can support our wish list with a financial analysis and in the end it will be up to the town manager and the assistant town manager and Rey to make the management decisions about what to do and we'll have we'll have to live with that right we're an advisory body um so yes we should certainly recommend capital investment but every time we suggest something that costs money we need to tie it back to the financial analys is that's been done and that we now have at our disposal. Um, so that that's that's how I want to answer your question, Michelle. If I can say one more thing, I'll try to be concise. Um, I really want to push us towards starting to write and not discuss anymore. Uh my experience is that when you start putting pen to paper fingers to keyboard, it sharpens the thinking and it allows further discussion and comments to be much much more focused and to be leading towards a final product, a final document. Right. So I really hope that we can end tonight with some writing tasks and deadlines. >> Absolutely. That's that's the goal. I I totally agree with that. Sarah. >> Yeah. I was just going to respond to your question about um taking pieces to write and I wonder if I could coordinate with Sanjay um because I think golf sounds like it's pretty well covered to do a little more exploring and potentially make recommendations for the the off season um you know with Adventure East or with other um other ways of bringing programming in and >> high season right >> what's that >> you mean high season right >> yeah high se well yeah [laughter] I mean, and I like golf a lot, but yeah, Nordic is Nordic is high season. [laughter] >> Awesome. >> So, yeah, I'd be happy to do that if that's if that's useful. >> So, there's one team. That's great. Um, and after we sort of figure out who's going to start drafting what, we should also just think about before our meeting ends a structure that we want to use so that we're not all coming in necessarily with a different format. we have at least some idea of how we want to go. Hillary. Uh yes, I do very strongly uh feel that when I've looked at and examined every other course that is overseen by a town, there has been an injection of capital funding from the town in order to kickstart it moving forwards and getting to a uh a point where it's uh acceptable in terms of um uh playing golf, doing the winter activities, having sufficient resources behind it to support all of that. And I do feel strongly that that has been very much lacking um in the past. And so yes, our suggestion of having a management that sits under finance is important, but without any capital investment uh kickstarting anything even that will fall flat. So, um, we do need to, um, push for that and I do feel that that is, uh, really part of our remit because otherwise we're not, um, answering what it is that need that Cherry Hill needs to be sustainable as a resource for the town. So, >> excellent. Thank you, Hillary. Um, Ryan. >> Yeah. I mean, I I I agree with with everything that's that's been said. I think that I think that it's just important how we frame it because I think that we're basically we're framing this in the sense that like in in like this is it's it's kind of like it's it's a business decision. And it's not like I mean when you look at like how this course has operated in the town for the last 6 years, it's operated as like the town has viewed it as as as a cost because the revenues have gone into the general fund and they haven't viewed it as as a business. They haven't viewed it as something that's actually made money. And so I think it's important to stress the fact that like you know a unshackling it from that construct will allow it to just reinvest its own money where it can go back into the course. But I think B, yeah, like there there there's a strong business case to be made for it. It's not so much just the fact that like you know the course is asking for money because you can make a strong case that has been grossly underinvested in over the last 7 or 8 years versus the cost of inflation which it has like we've proven that it's been over you know 500 750 it's been $750,000 of underinvestment just versus the cost of inflation over the last six or seven years. So you can strongly make that case. But I think the case that we should be making that I think will probably hit home the you know the hardest with the people in charge of making this these decisions would be just the fact that like it's more of an in like it's basically it's it's it's an investment. It's not so much you know um like you you there's real return if if this money does does come to the course. I think it's not a lot that we're talking about here in terms of what the course needs and it's the course can support paying it back over, you know, 3 or 4 years. Really, what you're talking about is a capital injection v visa v some form of like loan to the course for like four or five years as it pays it back and as it's able to generate that revenue back via higher fees and stuff, right? So, um it makes sense and I think that like the town management understands that it makes sense. I think that, you know, um, it also I, you know, I don't think it's like a we don't need to go crazy with like what the ask is for it, but I think that it's, you know, I think that it's very rational. Great. Thank you, Ryan. Okay. So, what I've heard so far is that uh Sarah and Sanjay are going to work together on everything that isn't about the golf season. Um, and then Ryan and Anra, how do you feel like working with Ryan on the finance and operations? Is that something that you might be interested in? >> It'll be my pleasure. >> Okay, great. Um, and then, um, there's Chris and Hillary and I, we can't, three people can't work together on something without it forming a subcommittee. Um, so of what we've talked about, um, Hillary, what are your what are your thoughts on what part of the report you might be interested in drafting? And yeah, Sarah, I see your hand. >> I'm sorry. I just actually have to jump off. >> Okay. All right. >> Sorry. So, I will work with Sanjay and um and look at the minutes and get the I agree with you. Having a um an actual structure will save a lot of time on on re-editing. So, I think that's brilliant. And we'll look for the timeline, too, because deadlines are great. >> All right. >> Thank you all so much. Very exciting to be here. Bye. >> Bye. >> Hillary. Yes. um you know kind of the uh business side of it, the financial side of it is is not a uh it they're not strong points of of mine cuz I've not really worked in that area. So I am um happy to dive into an area that um you know needs to be done that I can explore and come up with um you know a remmit or whatever. So >> I have a suggestion if that's okay. >> Yes. Um, I thought that at the listening session you really like it sort of um it felt very natural that you you are like the friends of Jerry Hill in my mind. And so I wonder if you could take on um writing drafting the piece around the friends, what the possibilities are um for a friends group, whether it be informal or a full-on nonprofit 501. >> Okay. Um and then sort of looking at the friends group, how it may uh work to be like a development uh there might be two two arms, a development side where people are raising money and then a side where people are just getting people from the community together and programming. Is that sound >> fair for your part? >> Okay. >> Yeah. And would that also um I suppose that that would the next step would be to have them um like you know part of well one of the minutes uh minute points was about them uh there being a uh a group that where they would meet with and be part of that was from the uh from the town council. So that would kind of sit up here and kind of take that as read that that is an acceptable end point so that there's a link direct link into the town council and um I would just develop the look at the development side of it and whether it's a um a straight friends off or a nonprofit or something. Yeah. Yeah. >> And Chris could give you some really good feedback on the booster stuff because he's been heavily right Chris, you've been involved in the booster stuff. And so that's more like the development and and that side of things. And it's okay like if you're writing the report on that piece, you can consult with someone else on the committee. We just can't have like three people working. >> Okay. >> You know, kind of thing. [snorts] >> Um >> Okay, perfect. And Chris, are you So Chris, we're going to work together on the community um piece and then also on just like the sort of course quality, course that kind of >> course goals quality, right? >> Okay, perfect. >> Um and we'll also have to write like an intro to the report. Um, so my best experience with this is, um, I chaired the African Heritage Reparation Assembly and we put together a, um, pretty lengthy report. I think the structure worked really beautifully. Um, and I'd like to propose a similar structure to the group. Um, it reads really, really nicely. It's very clear. There are some diagrams and pictures in it. Um, and so if unless somebody on the committee has a different way that you'd like us to approach it, what I would do is send that out to you with some thoughts about how we each take our pieces and and then um and go from there. Does that work for folks? >> UG, >> uh, just a quick clarification. I don't know if I missed it. Uh, did you say there that, uh, milestones for all this? >> Yes. So that's the next question. in our timeline. >> Okay. Yes. Can I ask also prior to those timelines one it would be really helpful for me Michelle if ASAP you could kind of bullet point whatever everyone is doing and who they're working with just so that we know that there's not going to be any not headbutting but crossover in what we think our remit is and then we're very clear about what we're doing as well as integrating it into the um outline and format that you are going to also send out. >> Absolutely. I will put that all in one email. I will try to get that out tomorrow. If not, please give me until Wednesday. My I have some doctor's appointments tomorrow. But um I will get that email out and then if how are are we thinking two weeks is a fair amount of time if we were to get another meeting on the books here two weeks from now with a first draft of everything? Okay. Yeah. >> All right. So, that looks like um two weeks from now is the week of the 14th. Um >> Hor's got his hand up twice. >> Yes. On >> uh can we um the uh the university is just about to get started >> so those of us who are involved with the university might be a little bit um you know tight on time. uh during these two weeks. So I was wondering if you can tell us when the actual due date is for this like when and we can work back from it and see how much time we really have alto together. >> Yeah, we've passed our due date by a few months. [laughter] >> So um >> the new the new one >> the new due date. So, I think that's a great I think that's a great question, Rey. If we in one of the last meetings you talked about like the possibility of us presenting to the town council once we have the report and and and bringing it and Oh, you're muted, Ray. >> I saw the message come up. Uh not to town council. I don't know if we could probably invite them also, but it would be particularly to the to the town manager and uh and probably Dave Zmeck and the and Sean Mano perhaps. But uh um you know, I would I can certainly bring it if that's something that you're interested in. I can certainly bring that to them and see what they what they think about it. >> Awesome. Yeah, that would be great. Um, I was just thinking about timing on like if it was uh with folks on the council or staff or who it where it might be. But I would think that if we can have a first draft in two two weeks from now, um but to to your point, Anra, let's say we have a completed final report. Um by like October 16th, it's a Friday or 19th, it's a Monday or Six weeks from now. >> Is that six weeks? >> Yeah. >> One, two, three, four. >> Yeah, it is. >> I'm just thinking realistically with like you're saying on your I mean we could always do better than that. >> Yes, >> we can always do better, but like >> maybe what we do is say let's see, we get this draft together. We meet in two weeks. It's going to answer. It's going to crystallize a lot as Sanji said. Um, and then we'll really know at that point like how much more we more time we need. Um, >> if you'd rather have three weeks right now and No. Okay. So, I think people would like to meet in two weeks. >> So, how is um how's people's schedules on Mondays nowadays? Uh, or was Tuesday better? Um because two weeks from now would be the 7th or the 8th, right? Or no, the 14th or the 15th? >> 14th. Yep. >> Yeah. Mondays are better than Tuesdays for me. >> Okay. Is the 14th possible for you on your >> Yeah, Mondays is good for me. Uh the only thing I would request is that we just keep it Mondays and not switch around because once the semester gets going then the schedules get set. Uh, so if it is possible at all to keep it Monday, I would appreciate it. >> All right. So, Monday at 7. Chris, is that a time that works for you? >> Yeah. Or I got you. [clears throat] >> Okay. So, yes, that that definitely will figure it out. >> Okay. And then Rey, um, you I think you had said Mondays are a little easier for you than Tuesdays, right? >> Monday the 14th works for me. >> Okay. I don't know if it will work for Dave with town council, but we will of course invite him and do our best to get him um to come. >> Certainly, >> those dates do help me because I think I think the town manager's office is is interested in seeing what the what the end what the goal line looks like for us here. And so these dates help me communicate that. >> Thank you. And yeah, really appreciate you communicating that and also just extending our apologies. I mean, we did get started later than we were supposed to by like a while, so >> they know they know that. >> Okay, cool. [laughter] Um, and Ryan, that date works for you, right? Yeah. Okay. So, we should approve these minutes. Um, Sarah pointed out one. Um, there was a I think let me just pull up what she said in um there was a mistake. Here we go. So, in the section on Nordic, I'm named as Sarah Lavali, not Sarah Goff. So, um I'm not sure, but we need to just that will assume that that is changed. Um other than that, were there any other edits that folks wanted to make to either of the meeting minutes that were sent? Okay. So, can we then um we're gonna I'm moving then to approve with the change uh of Sarah's name the meeting minutes from I sent you two, right? 6 and 5 or 6 511 and 6:16. So, May 11th and June 16th. I move to approve those. Um can I have a second for that please? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Sanjay seconds and then um just all in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay, that's great. So, those are approved and um if there aren't are there any other items that haven't been anticipated? Any other questions, comments, concerns? >> Sanja, what are you doing tonight? [laughter] >> Trying to get the work done, Chris. >> You know what I mean, man? We're doing it tonight. Um, that's what you would expect from me, right? >> Always. I always >> uh if we're going to meet on the 14th, then people should send their drafts around on Friday before that weekend so that we can have read things and have focused discussion of them. In my opinion, >> I think that's a great idea. I just want to check the open meeting law to make sure. I think sending the drafts is fine, but I don't think we can start commenting. Absolutely. Just for reading, we're good. Yeah. >> But other because otherwise we get into a situation where you everyone's like sharing a screen and people are trying to read a multi-page document during a meeting. >> That's right. >> Is kind of awful. >> Yeah. [laughter] So yes, ex you're I'm proposing I was trying to propose exactly what you said that the committee have access to everyone's writing but that any discussion happen during the meeting. >> Perfect. And so what I will do is I will create a a template a like a source template that everybody once they're done their draft can put their work into that template under the appropriate category of the report and then we will circulate that on the Friday before that meeting. So, what I'll say then is if you can plan on by like 300 p.m. that day and I'll send reminders um putting everything into that one document um that you have and then everyone will have access to viewing that. >> Okay. >> Yep. Um and then my just last thing I'll say, I promise Chris, >> you're good, man. >> Yep. I'm only going to take like 30 minutes with this comment, but then I'll be done. uh is that I've been playing a lot of golf this summer uh at multiple courses and it has crystallized for me the importance of having a public open and uh affordable golf course for people from all parts of our community to play the game. Cherry Hill is a great place to play. We'd all like it to be better. Um, but it's a great place to play and I have been partnered up with people that I've enjoyed meeting and seen people from all parts of Ammeris out there playing golf. It's been beautiful. I love that place even more than I did six months ago. Oh yeah, but but I think that to me that completely underlines why it's so important that we get this report right and really emphasize what needs to go in to raising the um the raising the golf course to a standard that enables a lot more people to play to and encourages is for outside people to come and play it because that that can't happen right now with the standard of uh the course as it is right now. >> Well, it is happening right now. It's busy and it's and it's a >> it's busy but >> and it's a net and it's a net revenue generator. So, we'd all like it to be better. I don't think there's any disagreement about that. >> But let's not underell the successes of the golf course. >> Okay. [laughter] Ryan just laughed at that. He's like, "See how I'm out." Um, all right. Well, we do, you know, fight sometimes, but we get along, too. [laughter] So, um, I love you all. That's what I'll say. And I'm going to adjourn the meeting at 8:30 on the dot. And we will see you soon. Okay. [laughter] >> All right. Thank you. >> Good night, everybody. >> Good night.