Camera-Equipped AirPods Are Definitely Coming For Your Ears - DTNS 5334

[music] This is the daily tech news for Tuesday, August 18th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context of all of it. Not in an weird AI sort of way. Uh, but hopefully we help you and everyone understand. >> Speaking of weird AI sorts of ways, today [laughter] uh unintentionally on Apple's part, we get our first look at Apple's upcoming camera equipped AirPods. unintentionally. Are you sure? Yeah, probably unintentionally. I'm Jason Howell. >> I'm pretty sure. Todd Mick. [laughter] >> Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. >> Yeah, this is interesting. I'm I'm super excited to dive into this. Apple's latest Mac OS Tahoe 26.7 release candidate that was released yesterday. And buried within were references to a handful of unreleased Apple products. a lot of them actually which we'll talk about. The one getting the most buzz though today is Apple's unannounced but rumored I think we've talked about it before on this show camera equipped AirPods spotted for the first time in a Mac OS demo like a video demo showing off visual intelligence. In the video there's a man wearing AirPods holding up a book and then you hear a voice over. >> With visual intelligence your world becomes savable. see something you like, just ask me to save it for later. >> Okay. He holds up a book. He looks at the book with the title. We can only imagine he saw something that he liked and he wanted to save it for later [laughter] with the camera and the AirPods. Uh Mark German had already shared on Bloomberg that the product, which in this case is code named B790, uh could launch in September. a video showing the product kind of makes that seem at least a little more likely or possible at least. There were a slew of other products listed um as so many in fact that I'm not going to name them all, but some notable ones that I pulled out. Apple's upcoming Home Hubs, one with a base, the other with a wall mount, a possible security camera, a tabletop robot, whatever the heck that is. Uh new Beats and AirPods Pro 4 headphones. uh the iPhone 18 series, which we've talked a lot about, uh new MacBook Pros, new iMacs, an OLED iPad Mini update, a second generation Vision Pro, possibly the cheaper, more affordable one, which I think we've also talked about at some point, and a new Apple TV remote. Again, there's more in there, but those were some of the highlights that I saw. Um, yeah, lots of unknown model numbers as well that they couldn't immediately identified or clear or or uh clearly link to an upcoming product that has been rumored. None of these products of course officially announced by Apple to date except for the official looking video that was found inside of this. [laughter] Yeah, you you you often find product numbers in here and then there's enough rumors and leaks and Mark German stories out there where you can triangulate what a lot of those are, which is most of what this is. That would not be a particularly unusual story at this point to be like, "Oh, there's a reference to that tabletop robot we've been hearing about. That's interesting." But it doesn't even mean it's coming out. It just means they're starting to lay the groundwork for it. That video, though, shouldn't be there. That That's a mistake. That's a thing where [snorts] it's like, "Oh, this is definitely a product that someone at Apple has shot a demo video for. Uh, and it's going to be in your Mac OS at some point, but shouldn't be there yet." Uh, so that that is really interesting to see that. I'm I'm not particularly shocked that they are that far down the road. I'm more shocked that they left the video in than it's like, "Oh, we might actually get these in September." I'm certainly not shocked at most of this stuff. Like, yeah. Oh, wow. the iPhone 18. I keep seeing the headline on Google News every day when we do the show like Apple may release an iPhone 18 in September. I'm like, yeah, think like like they do every September. Wow, what a shocking rumor. Uh but yeah, it's it's still interesting to see that video and and see how it works. Um there was another reference in there to like if your hair is covering uh the AirPods, you might need to move your hair out of the way. So, they've thought through that kind of thing. And I think when people thought AirPods with cameras, they were thinking like big lenses hanging off off your ears. So, it's nice to see that. That's >> Yeah. And I mean, we don't get a front shot, right? The if if you didn't watch the video version, it's kind of like a side profile of the guy. >> Um, and but you clearly see cuz he's got short hair, you clearly see the AirPod in the ear, you don't actually see a camera, you just see an AirPod and him holding it up and identifying tied with the VO. So, you kind of have to infer a little bit. But I am very curious like what that camera does look like. You know, is it a tiny little pinhole thing? Is it obvious? You know, there's a lot of people that are looking at this and you know, this just makes me think of of kind of like this growing backlash around smart glasses and cameras embedded in glasses and how obvious how it's become something that people who aren't fans of AI can easily point to because it's it's pretty impossible to ignore the fact that, oh, there's a camera in those glasses. Will Apple face the same thing or will it be hidden and discreet? Will Apple do what Apple does often which is kind of prove something where others have tried and maybe you know maybe they make it more palatable or I you know and I don't know that I believe that but you know what's going to happen you know >> I mean we are living in a time uh where people are eager to be upset about something uh and so the idea of calling these cameras uh is probably going to inflame a lot of people once this becomes a a a shipping product but they are not cameras in that sense. Uh, and yeah, you're right. We don't we don't get a full look at them in this video, but we get enough of a look at them that it's like that looks like just regular AirPods. They are going to be a small sensor that can see the world around it. And I guarantee, I give you my solemn guarantee, Jason, that when Apple announces these, there will be a lot of time spent informing people what those sensors actually see, what it looks like, where it's stored, and what it's not doing. Uh, and and my guess is it's probably going to be an ondevice model. Uh, maybe, maybe not. If it's not, then they're going to talk a lot about, you know, the secure connection that makes sure it's only used for the processing and then it's discarded. Uh, but I think they'll probably have to do a lot to show like this is what it sees and it's some kind of blurry almost infrared looking something or other. Uh, but the to the model on your iPhone, it can tell that that's the book you're looking at, but it no, it is not spying on the world. It is not recording video. I think that'll be the key thing because that's what's getting people in trouble with the smart glasses these days is like, you're recording video of me. There there's a little subtle subtlety of of difference there when you're talking about a camera that is used to identify like the title of a book in visual intelligence versus a camera that someone can record for 10 minutes uninterrupted. You know that subtlety that subtle difference will matter to some and won't matter to to to others, right? Because we have a wide spectrum of people that care deeply about these things. Maybe maybe a good example and I'll be curious how Apple handles it, but a good example is your Face ID camera >> does does not and Apple did a lot to show you what the Face ID camera actually sees, but it's it's not a camera. It's not a 50 megapixel camera. It's not taking video, right? It is a sensor. Uh, and I and I think a visual sensor, some people are like, "Oh, you're just trying to hide the fact that it's a camera." It's like, well, every camera is a visual sensor and every visual sensor is a camera. But when we say camera, we think video, right? We think video recording. Uh, and it's just, it's frustrating to me, Jason, that we are in a world where you can't just like put a visual sensor, a tiny visual sensor on AirPods without having to do a bunch of gymnastics to explain, no, this will not be used, uh, you know, in the ways that you are worried about. Um, it's it it is we are in a trough of technology trust. Yeah, that's a good My goodness, that should probably be the title. Um, but yeah, I I I completely agree. It's it's a bummer because when I think, you know, we've been doing tech podcasting for a very long time at this point, Tom, and when I think of 10, 15, you know, 18, 20 years ago, features like this would garner a ton of excitement in all directions. It's like, oh my goodness, you can even do that. That's amazing. But that's not where we are now. >> You know, I wish that we had more of that. And it makes the it makes it hard on the benign features, you know. Um Yeah. But hey, what are you going to do? >> Yeah. But but I will say just to kind of cap my my thought on this. Um very impressed at the fact that it really did look like any normal AirPod from the side. It does not look >> any different as far as I could tell. It's an AirPod, but it also has this new uh feature seemingly. And I'm curious. We shouldn't we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that like that's pretty impressive that something be sitting in your ears and be able to identify objects around you. >> Yeah. >> Well, uh DTNS is made possible by humans. Uh humans like you. Big thanks to all the humans who support the show. Uh Tim Deputy is a human as far as I know. Uh Brandon Brooks is too. Simon Daniel Jerk and Liz Ki. all some of my favorite humans cuz they support us at patreon.com/dtns. Thank you, humans. All right, plenty more we need to know today. Let's get into the briefs. >> Yes, Fairphone announced a follow-up to the Fairphone 6, the Fairphone 6 Plus. >> Oh, >> it'll go on sale in the European Union and the United States. >> Yay. >> I only clap because I'm from the United States. Uh it's also somewhat significant that this is the first time the Fairphone Phone has sold the phone in the US itself. Uh you've been able to get it through third parties but not directly from Fairphone. So now you'll be able to just go on Amazon and order the Fairphone through the Fairphone store there. Or if you're like I hate Amazon, uh go to the Fairphone site and order it direct directly from Fairphone. Now, it is certified for T-Mobile and AT&T. Uh so even though it's unlocked, you should be able to use it with those services right out of the box or any services that use their networks. However, it may or may not work if you have Verizon because it's not whitelisted with Verizon. I did not dig into why it is not whitelisted with Verizon. Um, but you have to get certified on the carriers. And if you don't get certified on the carriers, they may look at your IMEI and go, "We don't recognize that." And kick it off. Uh, it contains 12 replaceable parts, including the battery, the battery, and the battery. Those are the three most important replaceable parts for most people. >> [gasps] >> Uh you can also replace the display, you can replace the cameras, you can replace the cover. Uh and you just need a Torx T5 screwdriver to do it. Also worth noting, this model increases the RAM uh from 8 GB in the 6 to 12 GB in the 6 Plus, which is kind of not a thing we see in this RAM deprived world in which we live. Uh, you also get Android 16 out of the box and a promise of six operating system upgrades with software support and spare parts available until at least 2033. The Fairphone 6 plus $649 and available right now. Love it. I love that a phone like this exists. And, you know, some people bag on it a little bit because some of the internals aren't necessarily top top tier. You know what I mean? The what is it? It's a mid-range phone. >> Yeah, it's a mid-range internal. The Snapdragon uh SoC, what is it? The 7S Gen 4. Uh 12 gigs of RAM though, you mentioned that. Like just so interesting that in this moment where we're so used to RAM again and just marking its big footprint on the top of all these smartphones and and disappointment there. Here at least you get an increase. So, I you know, I I applaud that they were able to do that on a, you know, what's kind of a niche phone >> and and the the repairable part is is putting the rubber to the road. Like a lot of people have said, not only why can't I replace my battery, but what about the rest of the stuff? And the modular phone, how long have we been chasing the dream of the modular phone? And Fairphone seems to have created a workable platform for that. So, it's very cool. >> Yep. Um definitely a lot of excitement around that kind of like environmental impact and they um you know they're they're also committing to when they sell one of these phones they what is it they uh they kind of balance out the e-waste so that it's neutral. So they basically said they um it collects and reuses or recycles an equivalent weight of electronic waste when they sell a single phone >> which is better than just buying carbon credits. Like that's actually doing something. So that's kind of cool. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so if these topics, if you care about these topics, I guess my thought on this is you might be paying more for less from a specs perspective, but you're paying you're what you're really paying for is that kind of environmental um kind [clears throat] of attention >> and repairability. >> And repairability. Absolutely. >> So, sustainability and sustainability. That's the word I was looking for. >> Yeah. So, again, love that it exists. Excellent stuff. >> Uh fair phone. >> It's It's fair. That's a fair point, >> Tom. Yeah, >> I'm trying not to phone it in. [laughter] >> YouTube is about to change uh how it counts public views across all video formats. This starts on August 24th, so in a couple of days uh sometime next week, I guess. Um a view when this change happens will officially register the second a video starts playing. So basically like the first frame, if you see the first frame and it's playing, then that will count as a view. And this actually matches how view counts are done on YouTube shorts. YouTube uh pretty recently made a change that they were counted there as well as other platforms which kind of were the model uh of this. Tik Tok and Instagram do it this way as well. YouTube says this is meant to remove confusion that's caused by these metrics that are tied to specific formats and being different over here than over there. So it's kind of putting everything on the same level essentially. And they're arguing that this gives creators a clearer measure of their actual reach. Now, YouTube also says that the creator earnings and YouTube partner program eligibility will not be impacted by the change. Earnings will still rely on engaged watch hours and engaged shorts views. Um, that's basically the metric for viewers who keep watching throughout a video. So, you've got on one hand, you've got the view, which is, oh, you watched the first frame or more. On the second hand, you've got engage views, which is probably the more meaningful metric because it says this person hit it, it started playing, and they stuck with it. Those earnings are going to remain tied to that engagement, won't be impacted by the more inflated view counts, which are inevitably going to happen as a result of this change. >> Yeah. I mean, if you only watch one second of a video, now it counts. It didn't before. So, and that shows up in the public view count, and that's a popularity contest, not a meaningful metric. So, I'm not sure how much I really care. Although popularity contests are important so you can game that system easier now, right? And make it look like your video is more popular than it was. Uh, I can tell you in the world of K-pop music videos, this is going to be a big story because everybody's always bragging about how their favorite group has so many million streams and then suddenly tomorrow there's going to be a different number there and some videos are going to suddenly be more popular and some will be not as popular relatively speak. It's going to be a whole thing. So, in that world of popularity contests, this is going to be very significant. I think it's also significant that YouTube gave in. Uh I think YouTube always felt like we're setting the standard on video metrics, so we're going to stick with engaged engaged views and they're finally going like, man, Tik Tok and and Instagram are not going to change. We need to give into the pressure. >> Mhm. Yeah, that's a really good point. I I am curious like yes, I totally agree. This is this is more of a vanity metric than anything. And and on YouTube like subscribes have have kind of also kind of fallen into that camp, right? Like it seems like so many I can only speak on my personal uh channel and I'm sure it's like this for a lot of other people. My subscriber count is not massive. It's it's pretty low, but my view count on my videos is very high. I get a lot of drive by views and and that sort of stuff. >> Well, the algorithm is the thing that drives views. >> Exactly. Exactly. The algorithm. What I wonder about this is when it comes to making money for creators from like deals with sponsors and stuff, are the sponsors going to begin caring more about the higher versus the lower versus the engaged? And you know, I don't know. [clears throat] >> But everybody seemingly will get the boost. So maybe >> the sponsor can say, "I want to see your engaged metric. That's what I'm paying for because that still exists. Watch hours still exist. All of that still exists. Yeah, it's just not the thing that shows up under the video, but it could change who the sponsors reach out to cuz they can only see that one until they, you know, have a relationship with somebody in most cases anyway. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And while while that change happens, there's probably going to be some like an adjustment period because now suddenly what we knew as normal is not normal anymore, at least when it comes to view counts. And so everybody's going to have to kind of adjust like what the new normal is and then work towards that. you call this thing normal. [snorts] All right. Uh big trial happening in Oakland, California today. Opening statements beginning Tuesday in the lawsuit brought by 29 state attorneys general uh led led by four particular state attorneys general. So you'll often see that it's four states being referred to, but there's 29 total states that have joined this lawsuit against META. The state alleges, the states allege, I guess I should say, that Meta designed Facebook and Instagram intentionally to drive compulsive use by children and tried to hide [snorts] known risks of using their products. And they alleged that those decisions violate the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act as well as some consumer protection statutes. The states name features like infinite scroll, autoplay, ephemeral content, beauty filters, that's a one that they're going to say is harmful. Recommendation algorithms uh as potential violations. These are things that made children use them to their detriment. BBC notes that getting rid of things like like counts, banning multiple accounts for teens, or requiring parental verification might also be something that the attorneys general are going to go after. This looks to be kind of a bigger version of a recent New Mexico trial. We talked about that one re previously. Uh that's the one where Meta was deemed a public nuisance and found in violation of the state's unfair practices act. That judge ordered Meta to pay a total of $942 million. $567 million of that is supposed to go into an abatement fund that would give money for programs to help counter the harms to to educate children and prevention and that sort of thing. That New Mexico judge did not force a lot of design changes. Uh he asked for improved age detection and reporting tools, uh but not for ending infinite scroll because the judge said, "Well, that's kind of a speech issue and a competitive issue. It's not like their competitors will stop doing it, so I'm not going to order them to stop doing." Uh there was also a case in Los Angeles in March where Meta was found to have been negligent in not warning users of dangers from using its platform. So, the attorneys are going to point to that and say, "This judge found that there was a danger and meta didn't do enough to warn it." Uh, the next web says, "If you're watching this trial, watch whether Judge Gonzalez Rogers treats these design elements like infinite scroll and all of that as conduct or speech." If she treats it as conduct, in other words, this isn't a speech decision. New Mexico judge treated it as speech. If she says, "No, no, no. is a thing you're doing in building your product, not an expression of your viewpoint, then Meta would not be able to use safe harbor as a shield. Meta is going to argue, well, infinite scroll is just our way of expressing here's what's available on the platform, right? Uh, and that's speech, so that is protected. You you can't rule against us on speech. Uh, also, you should realize this is an advisory jury trial. So, there is a jury, but that jury will only tell the judge what it thinks. the judge gets to decide what will happen. This is something that's more common in civil trials like this if you want to get a jury because there there's not a right to a trial by jury in a civil trial. Uh but US District Judge Ivon Gonzalez Rogers is going to be the one who decides liability and any penalties and remedies, but she is looking to the jury to advise her on what they think. Theoretically, if Meadow were charged the maximum statutory amount for every alleged violation, it would total 1.4 trillion. That's not a number the states are seeking, but Meta has been throwing it out there a bunch because it's such a big number. They they hope it might undermine the credibility of the prosecution. California lawyer Megan O'Neal, however, told the court, uh, the plaintiffs expect the penalty to be around $193 billion. So, you may see people say $200 billion, somewhere around that. That would still be huge. >> Uh, and the states are also seeking nationwide injunctive relief. Uh, for example, they would like the judge to order Meta to delete all personal data collected from children younger than 13, as well as the algorithms and models that were trained on. >> Wow. >> Now, that's again something the attorneys general are requesting as a remedy. That doesn't mean we're anywhere close to that becoming a remedy. And even if Judge Gonzalez Rogers orders that, uh, Meta is going to appeal this. So, this is going to drag out for years. But this is a big trial. You're going to see Zuckerberg on the stand. You're going to see Miseri on the stand. Uh, and this is going to set the tone for literally hundreds of other trials that are going in this model. And everybody's calling it the big tobacco moment because it's even though even though there's a difference between the harms of smoking and the harms of social media, especially in how much we actually know about them, uh, it is fitting that model, right, of like big corporation says, "No, our thing is perfectly safe." >> Mhm. Yeah. saw a lot of that for sure. Yeah, it's just interesting to me like how long something like Infinite Scroll has been around. I think it kind of that it was POS or I was just kind of trying to figure out like when did that come onto the scene. So, we're in like 2006. We've had it for two decades, let's say, in some way 2.0 kind of thing, wasn't it? Yeah. >> Yeah. And I mean, it's become such a um such a an user experience tool that we're just so accustomed to. Yet at the same time, I know for myself how many times I've sat down to check one thing and that kind of like that mechanism is truly like it sucks you in. I I a lot of people it works a lot of people. I won't say addictive because I don't think they're the same thing, but it's a pretty captivating experience, let's say. and whether they're able to turn that into harm to to children the way the way you've mentioned. I mean, yeah, I'm I'm super, as everybody probably is, I'm very curious to see where this leads and what that what kind of impact that has on things like design choice in in these apps. You know, >> Judge Gonzalez Rogers has presided over a lot of technology trials. Uh, so I I have full faith and confidence that she understands the issue. >> Yeah, that's good. Where it gets tricky though is how what is the standard of of showing harm? Because >> I'm not saying social media isn't harmful, but I will continue to say we don't have a lot of research to prove it. And I think that's important because it's one thing to go like, I'm pretty sure this can be harmful. It's another thing to say it's harmful in exactly this way and so you need to do this to avoid the harm. Uh, and I've said this a million times, but if you don't know how it's harmful, you may put in a procedure to prevent the harm that doesn't work and then makes everybody think you've solved the problem when you haven't and it continues to be harmful just in a different way than you thought. So, uh, I I am curious what evidence the attorneys general will bring to show that harm. What kind of research is out there? Maybe we'll see some things we we weren't aware had been done. Uh but there isn't a lot of of really like solid like we can show this causes cancer like you did with tobacco. Um there's a lot of anecdotal evidence and there's a lot of counter evidence that that Meta is going to be able to bring in and say well this shows that the harm is exaggerated. You know this meta study shows that well it is there are also benefits that that counteract the harms and the harms are only for these kinds of children and not these kinds of children. So uh that that's going to be interesting how the judge reacts to that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um probably pretty easy to be too reactive to your point and then suddenly you made a change to something that doesn't actually address the problem but it reduces anonymity in some other major way or you know it keeps kids from connecting with communities that they rely on in order to stay you know happy and and feel safe and everything. So it has a lot of of potential impact. >> Well folks uh if you have thoughts on this uh we have lots of great conversations. In fact, there's a really good conversation going on in our Linux channel uh about uh I think it's VSSsh uh that they're talking about. There's also stuff always going on in our AI channel as you might imagine. You can join those conversations by joining our Patreon. Just link your Discord to your Patreon account, patreon.com/dtns. Boy, we got a whole bunch of headlines to uh to feed into your getting smarter brain. So, here they are. >> The Nimble Share Power is out now. It's a 10,000 milliamp hour battery that splits magnetically into two independent 5,000 milliamp halves. Uh, that way you can share a charge or even run two devices at once. One side's carrying strap turns into a USBC cord and the other side has a little flip out USBC plug. Pretty neat. Cost 80 bucks. >> Love it. Yeah, that sounds really cool. OpenAI launched Chat GPT for teens with a study mode that encourages working through problems rather than getting quick answers. We'll see if the teens use it. Some of them will. Uh Android Authority reports [snorts] that code indicates evidence of a quick insert feature coming to Google's Gboard keyboard uh with sources for that quick insert including your voice, emojis, stickers, clipboard history, images, contacts, and writing tools. I just got to say real quick, connected to this in Gboard is uh and the on the Pixel 11 series is Rambler. >> Oh my goodness. Answer to my prayers. I absolutely love it. Absolutely love it. Favorite feature on the new phones. [snorts] >> Um and we'll talk about it a lot tonight on Android Faithful. >> Google rolling out Android 17 QPR 1 beta 9 for Pixel. This is ahead of a final release coming up here next month in September. >> It's your last beta. Pixel 6, folks. Uh the US Congress is dealing with a problem that has been studied in corporate settings a lot. Politico reporting that several staffers had interviewed complained that the amount of draft legislation being created is rising as staffers use large language models but the number of mistakes and fixes needed is causing delays at the House Office of Legislative Council which provides the quality control to make sure the bills don't have mistakes. Uh the number of bills proposed has risen in the US House 70% over the last decade. That sounds familiar, doesn't it? It does. Yes, it does. Xiaomi posted its third quarter of declining profits with net income down 43%, revenue down 6.1%. The rising cost of parts, as we've talked about plenty of times, as well as declining demand for phones caused much of the fall, while Xiaomi's EV sales actually rose. >> They just didn't rise enough. Not yet. Uh, if you saw a headline out there saying the US Federal Trade Commission was investigating Epic and you're like, "Whoa, did Apple like make the FTC?" It's It's not that epic. Uh, it might help you uh to know that the FTC is investigating Epic Systems, the largest electronic health record vendor in the US. Not Epic Games, the largest Fortnite vendor in the US. >> Wow. It's a lot more boring to be honest. Not as fun, >> but important. >> Yeah, but important. Yes. Uh, Weatherspoons has made a rule that customers in its pubs cannot play music out loud or take calls on speaker phones. Sam Smith's pubs ban phone or tech use of any kind unless you're using it to pay. >> Yeah. Uh, I think the we we met at a Weatherspoon's pub in London when we did our DTNS meetup. Uh, I imagine this is a rule that is meant to prevent you from getting punched in the face. H you're not allowed to play the music so loud that you annoy someone into coming over and assaulting you. Uh thanks to Motang for noting this one on our subreddit. CG Trader, a marketplace for 3D assets used by video game developers, says that one in six models on its service comes from a generator, some kind of LLMbased thing rather than being humanmade. But only one out of every $90 in revenue comes from one of those generated models. So they're getting flooded with the slop, but no one's buying it. >> So slop has lower value essentially >> as many people believe. Uh we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today, John has thoughts on the Timeshifter app to fight jet lag that Dr. Nikki told us about. Yeah, John writes, "I actually used Time Shifter in June while traveling to and from the Philippines. It's a great app that lines up with how I've been managing jet lag for decades. The problem is those airlines always stick to the origin time zone when managing light levels and meals gets in the way [clears throat] of adjusting to my destination." With a 12-hour time difference, it's no small feat without melatonin and edibles. At one point during my flight back from Manila to JFK, I could tell it was light outside since it was 2:00 p.m. at my destination. I decided to open the shade. Woman in an adjacent row asked me to close it. I told her I need to adjust to our destination time zone. She said she was trying to sleep. Trying hard not to be a jerk about it, I had to remind her that the crew handed everybody sleep masks upon boarding. >> Oh boy. When one of the crew members asked me to close the shade, I explained what I was trying to do. Even showed her the time shifter app and she let me alone after that. Thanks, time shifter. >> All you needed to do was show her the time shifter app. Yeah, that's a that's a challenge, right? Cuz everybody probably has a different perspective on what they do. I'm tired. I want to sleep. >> I felt bad trying to get light on my flight when Time shifter was telling me when I knew a bunch of other people around me were trying to sleep. Uh so yeah, it's it's a tricky thing when not everybody's on board. >> Well, even though they're on board. >> Well, they're on board, but >> just not on board with your time shifter, [laughter] >> right? >> Uh folks, share your insights into any of the stories we talk about it. We love hearing your expertise. Feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. >> Indeed. Thank you again to John for contributing to today's show. Thanks to you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep this show afloat by becoming a patron and it's very easy. patreon.com/dtns. We'll see you tomorrow. [music] >> The DTNS family of podcasts. Helping each other understand. >> Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this broker. [laughter]