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The central argument presented in this discussion challenges the notion that one needs significant capital to build wealth, asserting instead that anyone who can save even $10 has the potential to buy assets and beat inflation over time. The speakers highlight a famous anecdote about a janitor who accumulated approximately $2 million by consistently investing small amounts into the S&P 500 for decades, illustrating how compounding works when given enough time. They emphasize that there is rarely a thirty-year stretch in the last century where an investor would not have gained ground with such an index fund, suggesting that the primary barrier to entry is psychological rather than financial; people want money immediately and lack the discipline to endure long timelines. To acquire those initial funds, individuals must build skills, secure employment, spend less than they earn, and invest the resulting surplus, a process described as taxing but achievable for most who are not already overwhelmed by life's challenges like mental illness or early parenthood issues. Beyond mere investment mechanics, the conversation shifts to the critical importance of hard skills that allow individuals to map cause and effect accurately in their careers. The speaker with an economics background argues that true wealth generation comes from possessing the intellectual horsepower to anticipate outcomes and apply those insights within a workplace environment to increase value for employers. This ability is framed as the "string of life," distinguishing successful professionals who can identify inefficiencies and implement solutions from those who lack this analytical depth. However, there is an acknowledgment of societal limitations where roughly 49% of the population falls below average in these cognitive abilities due to various factors, necessitating a focus on making intuitive human skills accessible rather than relying solely on high-level intellectual games that exclude large segments of society. The dialogue also addresses housing and economic regulation as tools for fostering a thriving middle class, contrasting modern financial systems with historical realities where blue-collar workers owned homes in decent neighborhoods without the intervention of massive institutions like BlackRock today. The speakers advocate against government mandates to provide loans to lower-income individuals who cannot afford them, labeling such measures as destined for disaster. Instead, they propose intelligent regulations that prevent corporations from buying up single-family homes and restrict over-regulation on builders, thereby lowering construction costs and making housing more affordable naturally. This approach aligns with a broader critique of monopolies dominating sectors like telecommunications, citing AT&T and Spectrum as examples where incumbent giants stifle competition by shutting out new entrants like Google or Starlink, regardless of technological disadvantages in satellite internet compared to fiber optics. The discussion concludes with a strong stance on the nature of money and debt within capitalist systems, identifying fiat currency and bailouts rather than capitalism itself as the root cause of pervasive economic problems such as wealth inequality and the robbing of the middle class for the benefit of the rich. The speakers argue that hard currencies naturally limit lending to those who can repay it, whereas fiat systems create a cycle where debt becomes lethal when aggregated at scale through government intervention. They draw parallels between this monetary system and behavioral psychology, referencing the classic marshmallow experiment which showed that children capable of delaying gratification for future rewards tended to succeed more in life. Ultimately, while acknowledging human impatience makes long-term investing difficult, the consensus is that overcoming these hurdles requires a delusional belief in oneself, crushing fear of inadequacy, and the ability to delay satisfaction—a combination that allows one to "murder" it over thirty years rather than seeking quick riches.
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What can someone do when they can't buy
assets? That's the real question.
Everybody that can save $10 can buy an
asset. People don't understand them.
And do that over time so it compounds?
Correct. There's the famous story of the
janitor who died with like $2 million to
his name because he just invested in
like the S&P 500. Just take some any
amount that you can possibly bear and
put it into the S&P 500. Just as a super
dumb way over 20 or 30 years, that's
going to stack. I don't know that
there's ever been a 30-year stretch in
the last like 120 years where you
wouldn't have been up. Almost no one on
a long enough timeline beats the S&P
500. It's just put your money in and
chill. The problem is people want the
money right now.
Got it. And to get that $10 to put in,
build your skills so that you can
to work, get a job, and spend less than
you make, and then take some of that
delta and put it into an investment. I'm
not saying that it's easy.
You're going to have to tighten your
belt. I'm just saying
as broken as the system is, when you
start saying things like, "Well, what
about the people that can't afford to
put money into the system?" It's like,
there are people that can't, for sure,
but most of them are going to have
gotten themselves in over their head in
some way. Drugs, kids way too early.
Yeah, although you now for sure could,
but I get it. And even that, like most
people will be able to overcome that,
but I'm just saying that one I get, it's
very taxing, especially if you're a
single parent. So, there are ways to do
it, but most of those ways are pretty
avoidable for all but a small number of
people. Mental illness is devastating,
and I don't wish it on any Quite
literally, mental illness I don't wish
on anybody. There are some things that I
say I don't wish on people, but secretly
I've got a handful of people I'm wishing
it on them.
Uh but not mental illness.
What is the best hard skill you think
that makes you money by providing
services or getting a job that has a lot
of room for growth. I have a degree in
economics and finance.
The only thing that matters in life is
the ability to map cause and effect
accurately, have the discipline to act
upon it, and point those abilities at
something that people will pay you to
do. That is the string of life. Much
like investments, I lost most people in
the first couple of words, and so they
won't do it, but that That really is it.
Like when you can anticipate the outcome
of your actions, woo, buddy, like you're
really doing something. And then if you
can go into a workplace, even if you
don't want to run the company, if you
can go into a workplace and say, I see a
thing you don't see about why you're not
making as much money as you could, and
I'm going to show you how to do that,
and then when they do that, it actually
works, that person's going to make money
for all time. The problem is, that's an
intellectual game, meaning you actually
have that You have to have the
intellectual horsepower. And a big
problem that we have is a lot of people,
I mean,
Just take a bell distribution.
Whatever, 49% of the world is going to
be below average. At some point, as you
slide down that scale, they're just not
going to be able to run that at a
meaningful level. And so, you have
problems, and that's why I'm saying that
the things that humans do intuitively,
you have to make accessible. That is how
you have a thriving middle class. Like
where I grew up, admittedly, we were
probably lower middle class, but
nonetheless, I grew up around farmers,
pipe fitters, blue collar workers, bus
drivers, mechanics, that was my
neighborhood. And but we had a
neighborhood, and we had houses, and
they weren't fancy, but they were
[ __ ] houses. It's like everybody
understood that do that.
And when you do that, now it's like, ah,
cool, I've got the thing that goes up in
value with inflation.
Blackrock didn't own houses back then,
though.
Yeah, correct. So, this is the I don't
know if that feels like a gotcha view,
but
I'm chilling. I'm chilling.
But hold on. So, on that I love that.
So, now you want to talk about
regulations that make sense? Cool. Don't
Don't try to mandate that like you're
lower income, so we're going to give you
loans that we otherwise shouldn't give
you. That's bound to end in disaster.
What you do is say, we don't let
corporations buy single-family homes in
excess of whatever number. We don't
over-regulate builders, so that they can
make houses, so that the cost to make a
house goes down. When the cost to make a
house goes down, the cost to buy a house
goes down. Doing things like that
Remember, I'm not a no uh government
guy. I like me a very intelligent
regulation that is designed to build a
system that has less holes. What I'm not
here for is the authoritarian policing
of the holes that exist in the system.
The government's job should be to keep
the rules of the game fair and ensure
competition is working. A lot of what
we're dealing with now just feels like
monopolies dominating the system.
Yes, he's certainly right on the first
part. How much of this This is Drew's
beef.
Your broken system has created so many
perverse capitalists. It's not the right
word, but it'll do as a stand-in.
AT&T and Spectrum. And this is a
personal example.
I was thinking about that.
This is a personal example. You can't
start new internet companies. Google
tried it, they went to six different
markets, they got shut out.
Starlink.
My thing is just impatience.
Satellite different than like fiber
equal to
Yeah, but it doesn't matter. Like the
the way
There's a There's a dis- There's a
technological disadvantage from
satellites to fiber.
For today, but like you're If he makes
enough money, he'll keep innovating.
There's no way to regulate out of
existence Some things are going to be
very hard to do, but the exact thing you
want to do is fill the void. You want to
come into that space where there is no
solution to go, "I'm going to do that
really hard thing." That That's what you
want to incentivize the system. You do
not want to try to underhand pitch for
people, that's not real life. You want
to say, "Hey, if you can learn how to
hit this fastball, great. It's going to
be better for all of us."
Yes, the point I'm making specifically
for AT&T Spectrum like that is that
satellite companies, internet companies
are technologically disadvantaged cuz
satellite, the range, the things like
that, it's slower bandwidth than hard
lines, fiber, copper, things like that.
Well, the speed of light is so fast, I
don't know if you're going to notice,
which is certainly what Elon is saying.
there No, there's definitely a gap
between As it stands right now, the
technology that physically exists,
satellite companies, they're at one
point they're getting an average of like
25 megabytes versus when Spectrum
it's going up up up up up up up up up up
up up up.
So, we'll wait We'll wait for it to get
there, but
Yeah. Give me your argument in a single
sentence cuz I'm confused.
There would be more
more internet companies in local
communities that are hardwired if
governments didn't stop new incoming
ISPs to try to compete.
I love it. Less regulation, yay! Ipso
facto.
I was trying to set you up with the
Spectrum thing to say that that's an
example of
It is super annoying, and I'm totally on
board with less regulation.
Billionaires, megacorps, lobbyists,
etc., all skewing governments, all of
that gets better with smaller scale.
Debt is a symptom of capitalism at
scale. Should we consider debt the
lethal symptom of aggregating too much?
Mhm.
No, debt is the symptom of fiat money.
You keep it in check when it's a hard
currency, and there's just no more money
to lend you. And so now people start to
be like, mhm, who am I actually going to
give this loan to? When you have fiat
money, you have bailouts. When you have
bailouts, you have the robbing of the
poor middle class and giving to the
rich. All of the problems that we see
map one for one with a
debt money printing system. Everything
else, as far as I can tell, is just
downstream of that. Downstream of that
and man is political animal.
Tom, please clip that entire section
about $10 compounding so I can send it
to my friends. So many people can't seem
to comprehend that concept.
Dan, I feel your pain. It's
uh people don't have an intuition for
the stock market, they don't have an
intuition for compounding interest, and
it's just boring. And so the idea of
giving $10 every paycheck to something
that's boring and way out in in future,
uh they did the marshmallow experiment
back in the '60s or '70s and they ended
up tracking those kids
for like 30 years. And the kids that
could wait the longest to get the reward
of the second marshmallow,
they ended up doing better in life. I
forget who came up with it originally,
but I heard this from Alex Hormozi that
there are three things that make for
hyper successful people. Number one is
uh delusional belief in yourself that
you can pull it off. Number two is a
crushing fear that you're inadequate.
And number three is the ability to delay
gratification. I- If you can like suffer
suffer suffer suffer suffer for
something that's way out in the future,
you're going to murder. And most people
can't do that.
Is that book Everyday Millionaire that
there's a large swath of people who just
invest every day, close your eyes for 30
years, and then wake up and you're good.
But it's the 30-year part that people
don't want. Close your eyes and quit.
Correct. Correct. It's way more fun to
get rich fast.
I get it, but good luck.